Episode 92 - Interview with Michael Happe of Gavox Watches

Published on Thu, 30 Jul 2020 00:15:00 -0700

Synopsis

Michael Happy, the founder and owner of Gavox Watches, joins Andrew and Everett to discuss his unique watch brand and his passion for creating watches with innovative functions and personal stories. They delve into Michael's background, including his family's ties to aviation and his goal of sending a Gavox watch to Mars. Michael shares the origins and inspirations behind some of his watch models, such as the Squadron designed for pilots and the AviDiver built for diving and aviation. The conversation also touches on Michael's experience working with military units, delivering watches in person, and the rich history and stories woven into his creations.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. This is 40 and 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Everett Everett, how are you? I'm good, man. I'm good. I'm recovering. I'm recovering from my grizzly leg injury. I've been I've been at the pool. I've been running, so life is back to normal by and large. What did you break?
Andrew I think it's okay. Don't worry about it. It's custom now. Right.
Everett Yeah, so that's good.
Andrew Is your leg getting better? I mean, it looked like you're wearing sweatpants today.
Everett It is getting better. Yeah, the treatment at this point is probably TMI for this setting, but it's better. The doctor I've been seeing, the best diagnosis I've gotten is... Ouchy? Quote-unquote perplexing. Oh, I love that. Yeah. So... But it's better, right? And like I said, the treatment is TMI, but suffice it to say, it's not particularly comfortable.
Andrew I cannot wait to hear about it after we stop recording. But it's getting better. I'm so excited for whatever this TMI treatment is because we share a lot on air.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. I mean, it wouldn't and it wouldn't shock anybody, but it's it's not. It's kind of yucky. So yeah. How are you?
Andrew I'm good. I'm a little a little tired, but I'm drinking red beer. And I just say I put four drops of the Reaper squeezes in here from Pucker Butt, and it's just a little bit too acidic. Yeah, it's got a little bit too much dank. And I think it's it's still delightful. It's it's as spicy as I want it, but it's just a little too much dang. So I do three, three drops.
Everett You know, that stuff is really you warned me.
Andrew You're like, hey, Andrew, that's pretty hot.
Everett You've had this before, but be careful. It's going to make it hard to record. No, it's not. I always have to remind myself like every time I use it that I could be in for it.
Andrew I did that with the I had like an ounce of the El Yucateco extra hot left in the bottle. And I made some burritos the other day. And I was like, there's not enough for to save this. Oh, oh, get in there. Save it.
Everett Oh, it's it's fine. It's fine.
Andrew Ever just spilled red beer. Good thing I brought a paper towel. It just it just foamed over. Anyway, I run it over. So I I used the last ounce on my two burritos and. Yeah, I got hiccupy.
Everett Oh, it's so good. Kim got hiccupy last night. We had some hot sauce and Kim got got hiccups for like 20 minutes.
Andrew Oh, my my hiccups last just a couple of minutes until I, you know, shove more down my face.
Everett Well, I'd love to hear more about your hiccups because we can skip my hiccups, you know, because we got something better to do.
Unknown We got something better to do.
Everett So we we've got we've got someone on the line here. We do.
Unknown We got someone.
Everett And if you can't read, if you can't read, it is a man who needs no introduction, but we'll introduce him anyway. We've got, this is actually something we've been trying to do for over a year. In fact, we were talking as the show let up. We were talking as the show let up online, and he says to me, hey, should we do a trial Skype call just to make sure this is gonna work out? And I said, Michael, we've done that. And he's like, oh yeah, I'm seeing this now. We did it a year ago. Literally a year ago, we did a trial Skype call. So we've been trying to do this for a very long time. We're so happy to have Michael Happy on the line. Michael, how are you?
Michael Happy I'm perfectly fine. I'm fine. I'm super excited to be with you, Gary.
Andrew Man, we're excited to have you. We're super happy. You were one of the first people that we talked about bringing on, and here we are, a year and change into our venture, and it's finally happening. I'm excited. We've got your watches. Yes. We've got your watches in front of us. We've had them on the wrist for the last week.
Everett Yeah. About a week now, we've had these watches.
Andrew And it's so great to have you on.
Michael Happy Thank you. And it's so cool to see you on the other end, because I don't think the people listening see you over here on the other side.
Everett That's probably better for them that they don't. Yeah. They don't need to see this. We've got radio faces, Michael. Yeah. That's why we don't do a YouTube channel. Good face. Michael, so you're in Belgium. Yes. Beautiful Belgium. What kind of Belgium?
Michael Happy I'm in the, just under Brussels. So Belgium is separated in so many different parts that, uh, even that little country we are in, uh, looks like a puzzle. Uh, so I'm in the French speaking area, so I do speak French here, but, uh, I also need to speak Dutch and a bit of German and a bit of English, of course.
Andrew I wouldn't say you speak more than a bit of English.
Michael Happy Thank you. My mother would say that she gave me some jeans from the United States.
Everett Right. So you've got, you've got actually quite a bit of American family.
Unknown I do have a lot and I'm so happy for that. Yes.
Everett You're happy for that? I think that's maybe something that some people would like try to keep secret right now.
Michael Happy Uh, never speak politics, so I don't speak politics, but I have loads of great family all around the United States and very nice people.
Everett Wonderful. Wonderful. So, um, I, you know, we're drinking Sierra Nevada today, which is a, which is a California and beer and American beer. And I didn't really, it didn't really occur to me. We should be drinking Belgian beer. We should be. We, we failed today. We failed. We screwed this up, but I will say last week I had a beer that was so good. that I actually messaged Andrew about it. And I was like, dude, have you had this beer? Um, it was kind of a weird beer. It wasn't, it wasn't my normal, my normal fare, but, uh, Duchess, Duchess de Bourgogne.
Michael Happy I'm pronouncing that wrong. Duchess de Bourgogne.
Everett Yes. So I had this beer the other day and I was like, holy cow, this is one of the greatest beers I've ever had.
Michael Happy Yes. I think it's brewed here in Belgium though.
Everett And it's brewed in... Do it. Brouwerij? Verheij? It must be something like that.
Michael Happy I don't know about the cities. There are more than 900 beers here.
Andrew Oh my gosh. I need to move to Belgium.
Everett I mean, we live in like the Belgium of America.
Andrew But I love Belgian beer.
Everett Yeah, you do.
Andrew I could live on Belgian beer.
Michael Happy Yeah. A story about Belgium beer. We have one beer that can only be brewed in Brussels. Why is because the yeast come from the air within Brussels. Oh yeah. So you heard about that one. It's said the kick lombic. And what is strange is if they need to change the roof because all the yeast is on the mash, a bigger pond under the roof. If they need to change the roof, they need to do it a quarter of the roof a year because they would lose the yeast sticking to that roof. That's incredible.
Everett They have these big doors that they open to pull yeast from the fields. I've read about this. It's fantastic. And you know, I don't know how they make those beers on the volume they do, right? Because it's a very small operation. And there is nary a store in the United States supermarket where you can't find Creek.
Michael Happy Exactly.
Everett That's the one. The Lambic, right? The Lambic Brewing Creek. And it's delicious too. It's my, my wife even likes that beer.
Unknown It's a women beer basically. It's an Everett beer too.
Andrew That's great. There's a deer eating the Ivy outside.
Everett You know where I live, where I live, Michael, we've got just deer literally about five feet away from us. There's a deer eating Ivy in the front yard right now.
Michael Happy I turned the camera. I'm looking around my place. I do see swans and uh,
Unknown and birds and cormorant.
Michael Happy Oh, really? That's cool. I'm just next to a lake, Lake of Genval, which is a great place.
Andrew That's so cool. I love looking out the window and seeing stuff like that. I saw the brush moving and I was like, what's kids doing outside? I thought they left and then I saw deer ears. I was like, Oh, hello.
Everett Andrew's, uh, Andrew's, what he's not saying is he's getting ready for his hunting trip. So he just did this weird arm motion. Yeah. And I got like weird tense. He was pulling a string back, an imaginary string. I was like, what are you doing? And it's cause it's an automatic reaction.
Michael Happy It's an instinct. Hunter. I think every American basically has a little locker where you have your guns.
Everett Is that it? Ah, Well, I would say I'm, I don't, but I actually do because I just inherited some guns about a year ago, but I am not, I am not a hunter nor really a gun guy, but I do. Yes. Now I'm, now I'm firmly in the camp of the American with the gun locker.
Andrew They've only been out for, they come with your house. That's how it is here.
Everett It's like you buy a house. My guns have been out of that locker for approximately 20 hours. Well, Andrew helped me troubleshoot how to get them operational. And then they went in the locker and they have not been out. I've never fired them. Oh, I will at some point, but they're, they're very old. I mean, they're like 19, 1940s, I think maybe 50 for one of them. So they're very old guns and they were inherited and they're kind of neat, but I'm not really a gun guy, but you're right. That is a thing. That is a thing. But we're not going to talk about politics according, pursuant to your rules. No, no, no, no. So, we actually had you on the show because turns out you make, you make watches, Michael.
Unknown Indeed!
Michael Happy I make watches. Just out of passion, though.
Everett Just out of passion. But that's actually, I'm not sure that that captures the full extent of what you do. So, If you're listening and you don't already know because A, you can't read or because B, this thing's on autoplay, Michael Happy is the founder and owner of Gavox Watches. Correct. And Gavox is a brand that I would probably refer to as a micro brand, but I know not all owners like that terminology.
Michael Happy I totally accept it. Totally.
Everett Okay. So a small, maybe a boutique brand, but your brand is a little bit different. than I think some of the micro brands we're familiar with, right? I think oftentimes micro brands are enthusiast brands, which your brand very much is, but they're enthusiast brands aimed at the general public, the general watch enthusiast, someone who might buy a Seiko to where to work or someone who might buy a Timex on Todd Snyder or whatever. Your watches, I think are targeted at a little bit different audience. Do you want to, do you want to speak on that?
Michael Happy Yes. Um, basically all the watch I make, Need to please me first. I'm be a selfish there, but definitely when I create my watches, I think about what I like and think to link it to stories that I have in my family or, uh, by passion. So I, there's 8 billion people in this world. I've heard that if I launch a hundred watches, I'm sure one will land somewhere. So someone will like it.
Unknown Yeah, that's right.
Michael Happy So I really take more care about what ingenuity I will put in a watch. Uh, what will I create within that watch that is unique or technical or innovative? And as long as it looks great, I'm sure someone will like it, but it first need to please me. And every single of my watches has a story and I can stay for hours speaking about every individual watch and what story it has.
Everett Yeah. Well, our plan is to record about seven and a half hours today, roughly, and we'll break this. This is going to be a six, or we'll decide later, six or seven part series. So we're ready for it. We're ready for each of the stories. So let's start at the beginning.
Michael Happy So I just go GAVOX is a macronym of voice of the galaxy. So, I really hope to have the first watch that lands on March, March, on Mars, Mars? Mars, yeah.
Unknown A Gavox.
Andrew Well, I mean, what are you doing to make that happen?
Everett That is the most fantastic goal I've ever heard, and I think it's realistic, perhaps.
Michael Happy I already spoke with astronauts. I already spoke with the ESA, which is the European Space Agency. I plan to have a box of uh 10 centimeter on 10 centimeter within my watch on the international space station so i already have a whole plan and i already have all the launchers to to do such a thing but i need about 50 000 dollars yeah so that's a bit over what i can do but this has been talked about i was inside a monitoring device seeing the box where I should bring my watch in into the space station. So this is a really idea I have for my watches and have fun with that.
Unknown Have you spoken with Elon Musk?
Michael Happy I already met Elon Musk and I left him a card because he didn't have much time. It was in Adelaide in the European Convention for Space and for the International Convention of Space Exploration. And I saw him there and I saw a guard next to him, gave him a card. Let's put a watch on Mars. I left him. So I don't know if he ever read it, but there it is. He listened to your podcast.
Everett Hey, I'm here. Yeah. He's a regular listener. He leaves us comments on our, on our show notes often.
Andrew I love that idea. I love the idea of, of, of being the, the, the, the Mars watch, which would you send or have you even designed the watch yet?
Michael Happy I, the thing is it needs to be really crazy watch. I designed the Aurora as a Mars watch potential. But after trying it and putting it on a balloon in the stratosphere, it didn't show the promise I hoped. So I need to create something different. I already had a plan talking to Casio to work with Casio, but they don't like working with someone else.
Everett Yeah, that's right. That's right. What are the technical specifications? I mean, we all sort of are familiar with the Omega Speedmaster story, I think. excuse me, what are the technical specifications that you're targeting and what's going to be the most difficult hurdle to leap?
Michael Happy Basically, it wouldn't be an automatic watch to go to Mars. Okay. If I would put a watch on Mars, it needs to have calculation of the orbit and the time and the seasons Mars has compared to Earth, because on Mars, the rotation of Mars is 45 minutes more than Earth. So the seasons is not the same. The GMT is not the same. So we need to have a confrontation between Earth and Mars. And if I need to talk to someone in Mars, I know the distance is so much at that season. So it would take 42 minutes point five. And I can be sure I arrive when he's awake, not asleep. And, um, oh, there's so much crazy thing. I could talk for ages, but there's, there are people for the moment in United States and GPL living on the Mars time for three months in a row and waking up as if they were in Mars, because they need to program the, uh, rovers on Mars at the right moment. And, uh, You cannot program while they are working, so you need to program when it's dark in Mars. And you send all the coding until they reach the sun and they are ready to work, they receive the message, and a Mars watch would know all that.
Everett So to say something sort of obvious, but maybe that took, I think, at least for me, as I'm listening to you talk, there's a very fundamental idea here, which is that basic timekeeping on Mars is different. There's something, like I said, something obvious, but something that maybe isn't immediately apparent. The basic timekeeping, you have to have two separate basic timekeeping modules.
Michael Happy Yeah, definitely. But I, I would like to, to bring in one watch easy to work with, uh, with a long longevity. all the planets of our solar system in. And imagine we have a trip, Elon planned a trip to go to Mars. It's going to be a 500 days trip. And he needs to be able to know how much distance we've done so far. So on a scale of hundred, we can say it's already 20% or 10% left or 1% left. And you can put alarm on the percentage of reach. Okay. We won't go too much into details.
Everett An incredibly complex countdown timer is what you're saying. So two timekeeping modules, an incredibly complex countdown timer, um, and probably some other shit. Uh, that's good. Okay. Definitely. Fantastic. If you need consultants who know nothing about space and or timekeeping, I am happy to work on this project.
Unknown I'll listen. Yeah. Awesome. Great guys. I know who to talk to and to share.
Everett You know who to talk to for absolutely zero help. It's us, for sure. Well, wonderful. That's actually, I think, such a cool... I love it. ...place for us to start, right? Because we're sort of starting at the aspirational, but I think within that aspirational context, we can start to suss out what Gavox really is. Because I think Gavox, I sort of alluded to this earlier, but I think Gavox is similar to some companies, particularly in the UK, and maybe some companies here in the United States, one that's coming to mind. Gavox is a company that has sort of a mission timer focus. And you actually have spent the majority of your going on 10 years going on 10 years, not quite, but going on 10 years, making watches, working with small units, small military units all over Europe, uh, all over Europe and us now and the U S now, um, doing sort of mission focused, but also, but also sort of organizational unit focused timekeeping devices. So how did you get started there?
Michael Happy Um, okay. Making watches started, here in Belgium, I created the squadron you have Andrew. And, uh, the squadron has all the aspect of a, um, type 20 watch the Aéronaval, French Aéronaval who requested a watch that can do all the things they needed. And so it's based basically on this thing. And when I created it here in Belgium, I have a few pilot friend who told me, Hey, can I invite you to the base and let's make a watch for a special event for them. So I brought that watch discuss with them. They wanted an alarm and I created in the squadron that chronograph 12 hour for mission, an alarm and a rotating bezel, all that in a simple watch and I created, they designed for them. I use a logo and to be personal, every single watch has the name, nickname and the code. So every owner has its own watch.
Andrew Oh wow.
Michael Happy And that's cool.
Andrew Is that all on the dial or was it etched in the case back?
Michael Happy It's on the dial end of the case back. Wow. So I'm going on both direction and uh, What is so great and I love all these military everything goes out word of mouth. So. One of the Belgian guy who has that specific squadron watch goes in Portugal, in Portugal, he meet the guys in a bar. And what is that watch? He tells the story. And the other one says, Oh, great, I want one for our squadron in Romania of an F 16 squadron. And I've, I turned out to make a Romanian squadron watches. And not only one make 21 as well. And the most crazy thing and i will always keep that thing available is when i make a watch for a pilot i say to them i bring the watch to you in your base Oh, and of course I love aviation. So they have a plan. They open the door. I'm getting into the base. I meet all these pilots. I go and see all the flight simulator. I go into the, the, the, the, the craft and the, the, the most precious moment was when I reached the make 21, um, squadron in Romania. They had two jet side by side, all the pilots wearing their Gavox on the side. And Michael, we have a little surprise for you. Come and stand in the middle. We'll make a photo for you. So that is awesome. That's awesome.
Andrew That's such a great personal touch. I love that you're, that you're personally delivering these, these mementos. Cause there's something, there's something that, that people from outside the military don't understand about these mementos that you carry with you for the rest of your life, the nostalgia of this group of people that you've worked with for however long and maybe or maybe won't see again after your time there is up. And it's such a special thing. I love that you understand that and you're a part of it.
Michael Happy It's a dual gift. I'm making a gift for them for a watch that really feel they squadron, they feel the unit. And on the other side, they invite me and share with me what they live there. And I have so many friends, a friend that are pilots. And whenever I meet them at some air shows, Hey, Michael, come hello. And I get to go on the runway and stand on the, the cockpit. So, uh, be touching Bay Plains.
Everett It's crazy. You know, Michael, it's not dissimilar to what we do. You know, we got into this because we're genuinely in love with watches. You know, the idea of watches. In fact, I'm going to plug my friend Andrew at Astrium Banks. He, this week, introduced a set of banners. They're sort of woolen, old school banners. And they just say, watches they don't say anything else they just say watches and I immediately ordered I knew he I knew he was doing this for quite a while and I immediately ordered one because it sort of encompasses the idea you know the idea of watches you know it's so silly and so ridiculous and so perfect so we got into this because of that I you know watches right but but the ancillary effect is that we get a sit down and talk to Michael Happy And we get to talk to Andrew from Astro and Banks, Andrew Perez, you know, these people that are sort of, you know, mini gods to us. I think you at one point used that term in an interview about these pilots. You know, it's the same thing that we're doing. We're, we're got this passion project and it looks like one thing, but really it's a totally different thing, which is that we want an opportunity to sit down with Michael Happy over a red beer and, and talk about watches. So I totally feel that. that passion and that energy, that focus, you know, this is what I want right here. And you're getting what you want. Exactly.
Michael Happy Yeah, exactly. It is, it is, uh, you summarizing exactly what happened to me when I create watch as a passion. I never thought I would have my watch on Obama, for instance, or I never thought I would have my watch on Ban Ki-moon, uh, or I never thought I would shake hands with or even kiss Monica Bellucci. How about that? Because I make watch.
Unknown Right.
Unknown We need to start making watches. I know. You know, we need to start kissing more people.
Unknown Don't tell my wife.
Michael Happy My wife accepted me, uh, when, when I met Monica Bellucci and gave her a watch because I was partner in a kind of a golden globe stuff for Belgium. Yeah. And they asked me to be partner and they told me, you're going to have a surprise. What, what? The receiver, one of your watch would be Monica Bellucci. No way, no way. So I arrived there and I gave the watch to Monica, did a little talk. got a kiss on both cheek. And my wife told me, okay, I will accept three days of completely nonsense euphoria.
Everett That's wonderful. That's wonderful. So can we talk a little bit about about your specific models? You know, yes, you've got actually a fairly diverse catalog. I think that there's some trends in your watches, but you're you're catalog is very diverse. You know, you've talked about the Aurora, you've talked about, we've talked a little bit about the squadron, I'm wearing an avid diver on my wrist right now, which is actually fairly different. You know, when you look at the squadron, you look at the avid diver, you can tell that they're the same brand, but they're very different watches. So talk a little bit about your catalog. So you know, yeah, I think we start early on, and then maybe we move into what you're doing now.
Unknown Good.
Michael Happy So I kind of summarize my brand, Gavox, as made for higher, farther and deeper. Okay. So it is the idea of exploration.
Everett Yeah. Keep, keep going. I'm sorry. I'm interrupting.
Michael Happy And, uh, so higher, of course, everything going to space or aviation and everything farther means going far. You have another brand called Fara, but it's, my idea was far there. So everything on sea and everything on earth. So I have everything on sea who are more, um, boat related or navigation related, like the old time. So it's more classic watch and everything on land is more car or motorsport or road trip watch. And then deeper is what you have on your wrist, the AviDiver. But as you named AviDiver goes in two different origin, uh, aviation and diving.
Everett Yeah. That's sort of classic, uh, this sort of classic Flieger diver or, or pilots dive watch.
Unknown Yeah.
Michael Happy Yeah. And, uh, Basically, as I told you, I have fun designing all the things I design and the IV diver has a good story now is because, um, I like to test my watch empirically. Uh, how do you say empirically? Empirically. Yeah.
Andrew We don't say words right here. You can say however you want.
Everett We mispronounce most of the words we say anyway.
Michael Happy So, uh, you wanted to test the IV diver who is rated 20 atmosphere. And bringing it to the bottom of the ocean. Okay. I took a fishing rod, 50 meter, 500 meter rope and brought it into the ocean and check every 50 meter if it broke. Okay. It didn't, it reached 500 meter without breaking. So I had to do another experiment.
Unknown Cause you didn't, you ran out of rope.
Michael Happy Yeah. Yeah, my rope was only five meter left on the rope. So I had to do another experiment. So I asked on my Instagram, who has a submarine? And two days after one guy called me and I do have a submarine, we go to 3000 meter, so 9000 feet deep. Oh, great. And, uh, the guy took the watch, I sent him a watch and brought it into the Gulf of Mexico and it dropped to, uh, he, he had to work down low in 1920 meter and had a camera on my watch the whole duration until the watch imploded.
Everett And we've seen pictures of this imploded watch.
Michael Happy I have never shown you the video, but I need to publish one day the video because you see how a watch with a dome sapphire under such a pressure at 624 meter, it completely imploded and the whole crystal looks like it's reversed back. It's crazy.
Everett You know, we're looking at a picture right now and you can see, you know, the, the, you can see, I mean, really, Hard to suggest that a picture will show how the implosion happened, but you can see it, right? So 624 meters is how deep it got.
Michael Happy How deep it got, which is at least three times what it was rated for. And I can clearly say that a domed sapphire is a good combination for high pressure. Yeah. Because when you're ready to watch 20 atmosphere, it's basically the thickness of the crystal, but not the fact that it's domed. So scientifically, a dome will hold much more force, like a globe in the water, than a flat sapphire.
Everett Basic sort of bridge engineering type principles. Yeah. So question, did the watch fail before it destroyed itself, before it was destroyed by the pressure?
Unknown Not at all. No failure.
Michael Happy The failing was sudden. It was a fraction of a second. I should have had a slow-mo guy filming this thing, but it is so fast. And I hoped to have sharks and things like that around it for the duration of the fall, but no.
Unknown It turns out they weren't going to cooperate.
Everett No, they weren't. Yeah, it would be great to have one of those fish with the weird tentacle. Oh yeah, like the light. Yeah. Next time, next time you should work on that.
Michael Happy Yes. And, uh, my, my contact, uh, he, he's a great guy. And he even put his flashlight and shut it off to see the loom in the darkness. So it's super cool.
Everett Well, and you know, I think that's another thing about your watches right there. Everything that you've, you've implemented here is done with a level of, of, uh, tool focus, right? Like the loom on this avidiver is out of this world, right? It's sort of a sandwich dial with the loom coming from underneath. I mean, the legibility, the legibility on the avidiver is out of this world. I'd say the legibility on the squadron, maybe a little bit less, but that's the nature of the beast. That's the nature of the beast. But if I was going to take a watch and I didn't have a dive computer, right? You're going to take a watch into the depths where you might not be able to see. This is that pilot style dial really focuses on legibility. This dial is fantastic. Incredibly legible. When I have this thing on at night, you had to put it elsewhere. No, I don't mind that. But but if I want to know what time it is, I don't think there's another watch in my closet right now that it's easier to tell what time it is at two thirty in the morning on on a six hour old charge.
Andrew Can you talk to me about your decision to do rather than an external rotating bezel, that internal rotating triangle? Yes.
Michael Happy That's another idea, because as the name states, it's an AVI, aviation, diver, made for diving. And the idea of having an internal bezel means my X, my, my internal bezel that will not turn with all the, um, minute digit will stay static. This one will not move. It's only the triangle that moves. And this will allow me to be used by divers because within a little triangle, you say, when you start diving and you see how much minute has been passed, but you can use it also as a countdown by saying in 30 minutes, I need to go up. So I put my triangle in the 30 minutes compared to, to the minute. Okay. But for pilot, I needed to have a second time zone reference. They call it Zulu timing using the bezel, the triangle for a second time zone. But with this one, it is the only watch that has a second time zone reading with the true minute. So it's a bit complex. But it's difficult to explain, but the fact that the rotating bezel never turn the minute shown is always true to what it shows. So if you read the minute on 35 minute, it is the minute true. And the hour is just the reference with a triangle. I don't know. It's a bit complex, but it works.
Everett It works. It's one of those, it's one of those complications where you, it's maybe not immediately apparent what's happening, but once you're there and you're able to suss out what it means and get acclimated to it, it's functional and serves a purpose, right?
Michael Happy That's it. That's it. Exactly. And, uh, I tried to make videos on my YouTube channel to explain all the different features I did put in. So, uh, Sometimes it's too complex to be able to see all the things, but that's why I try to make some videos to explain.
Andrew I'm going to need a little bit more explanation too. The chronograph function on the Squadron, the first thing I noticed, I hit timer on it and I was like, wait a second, we're not getting racing chronograph functionality here. What's the thinking behind the hours, the length of time that you've got? for this chronograph functionality?
Michael Happy Uh, this chronograph as it is aimed for pilots had to have not a single, not a one hour chronograph. That's too little or 30 minutes like a Breitling to a 30 minutes. I need to have more because these guys do missions. These guys flies over, uh, Afghanistan. They did a lot with my watch on their wrist over Afghanistan. It's a, It took me a long time to figure out
Andrew I figured it out incidentally. I was trying to reset it and I heard a beep and I was like, this is what we're dealing with. And then I, and it find like I rather than reading anything about it, I was like, I'm gonna figure this out. And it's, that was, it was super cool. I was very excited when I discovered that.
Michael Happy But this movement from a Honda, it's the easiest start and stop alarm that you could find because it has its own counter. This watch has two clocks inside. Yeah. One for the alarm and one for the time, but whenever you synchronize the time, you need to synchronize the alarm as well. That's right. So it's a complex movement, but for the moment I'm looking at a Seiko movement who has another feature in its own alarm. He can be used as a GMT as well. So you like, you know, I like functions.
Unknown We know, we know that about you.
Michael Happy I find another function to put on the watch with the chronograph and alarm is a GMT.
Everett And for our listeners who maybe are only familiar with English, I'm just going to make a clarification. This is a movement, I refer to it as a Ronda movement. I think you pronounce Ronda a little bit differently than I would, but it's not a movement made by Honda. No. The Japanese car company. It's a movement made by Ronda. No, it is.
Andrew This is a Toyota or this is a Civic that I wear on my wrist.
Everett And no offense because I think your pronunciation of Ronda is just fine. But just a clarification for folks who maybe were misled there.
Michael Happy Honda is a good brand though. It is. They should get into watches. And Acura is made by Honda, no? Yes. And that's only found in the United States. And I want to purchase an Acura. But in Europe, we don't have Acura.
Everett That's right. But you see, you have the same cars, right? So my one of my good friends from college is a Japanese fellow and he has in his garage of not a new one, but a vintage one of the original NSX is, but it's a Honda NSX. It is not an Acura NSX. Interesting. And I think it's got like 25,000 miles. It's just an absolute gem of a vehicle. But you're right. Crazy. Acura is an American invention because we're silly, right? We're silly in the United States. The way marketing works here, we're not comfortable with a brand having different tiers of viable products, right? And sometimes we are, sometimes more than others. I think as is evidenced by Seiko's difficulty marketing Grand Seiko here, right? They've got a very tough hill to climb, a very steep hill to climb in terms of marketing Grand Seiko as a viable luxury product. In Japan, people get it, and internationally, really, people get it. In the United States, people say, oh, that's just a Seiko. It's a grand Seiko. Why did you pay that much for a Seiko?
Andrew Well, it's because in America, we've always used adjectives on like economy brands. If you use a positive adjective and then the name, it denotes economy brand.
Michael Happy I decided to keep my brand solo, where people say, you should make one called Legacy for all the marine style, one Uh, Gavox just for the pilot, but I wanted to keep everything as another brand I like, which is Oris. Oh yeah. If you check Oris, it has the same name, but it goes everywhere. So I'd like to keep my watch as Gavox and it's a good playground.
Everett Well, you know, I think in Europe people have more, more comfort with that idea. You know, look at a company like Laco, for instance, Laco, the German fleager company. They are able to sell 300, you know, 200 euro Laco fleagers in the same catalog as $1,500 fleakers. And people do not object. In the United States, that's a much tougher pill to swallow for folks. The consumer here is just simply not comfortable. You know, and there's all sorts of, I'm sure there's all sorts of socio economic assumptions that go into that difficulty. Um, but yeah, it's, I think for a European brand, that's a fairly normal decision.
Michael Happy I want to bring something about United States where I do believe all you over there and all the listeners, your listeners and for other watch podcasts, you are so much open to people trying to make something new with a watches like I do. United States, it's a huge market for me. And I'm so grateful for all these people that just go on my web shop, buy a watch and, Oh, who are you? How did you get note Gavox? And, and it's super exciting because you are not afraid of buying online.
Unknown Yeah.
Michael Happy It's something that seems easy for you. And I have excellent return from all the people that purchased. Oh, look, uh, I have a, taking a picture of my Gavox in the plane. Here's a picture. You can post it. I love that.
Everett So it's more, you know, I would say in some ways the American consumer is very, is very savvy, right? Uh, technological savviness, um, in terms of sort of scientific, I know that's a little bit of a weird thing to say right now, but in terms of their ability to comprehend, um, technical aspects, I think that the American consumer has a tendency to be savvy but there are other places. You know, I think in, in particular marketing, there's some nuance here and, and I'm not sure it's always, um, it's not always rational. In fact, I think the, the American consumer is oftentimes irrational. Uh, but yeah, there, you're right though. The American spirit is very much, uh, accepting of change and of pioneering and of small brands, especially right now. were
Andrew Anachronistic 25-year-old artisanal butchers. Yes. I mean, that's right.
Everett Yeah. Yes. You know, so there's a thing happening here. And, and I think that you're probably experiencing some of that right in your, in your vocation, in your, uh, uh, industry. So it doesn't change the fact that we're also irrational and stupid about some stuff, Michael.
Michael Happy We are as well, but I'm, I'm, I'm super irrational. But my wife still love me.
Everett That's what that's what matters. That's why you got married, right? I mean, that's why I got married. I was like, I need I need a lady who's going to keep me honest here because I'm an irrational dude.
Andrew That's right. Can we take a hard left and talk about the Western antique airplane and automobile museum? Oh, in Hood River, Oregon. Hey, you know where we are?
Everett We're in Oregon. We are in Oregon, the country where
Michael Happy the country with the best coasts. Uh, I love your coastline. Uh, I love your estrogen into the Portland because you grow estrogen to have caviar.
Andrew Yes. Yes. So I thought you were saying estrogen and I was like, I don't think I get that. No. Sturgeon. Yeah, no. Now I'm, now I'm there. Yes.
Everett Yes. And I grow excess estrogen as well.
Michael Happy Yeah. Yeah. You have a great place, which is unusual, on a river called Hood River, where everybody goes for sky surfing.
Unknown And beer.
Everett Yeah, windsurfing, right? Windsurfing, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I think it's the windsurfing capital of the world it gets referred to as.
Michael Happy It's indeed crazy. It's crazy. It's really scary. It's on the river. It's crazy.
Everett So it's on the Columbia River. So some of you, geographically, Oregon is just south of Washington. We call Washington Oregon's hat. In between Oregon and Washington, at least on the western one third of the state, there's a river called the Columbia River. This is a significant river for a number of reasons, both in sort of western discovery and in terms of the size and gravity of the watershed, the wildlife, but it's also absolutely stunning. It's huge. It's enormous. At Hood River, it's almost a mile across. So it's this beautiful, wonderful, if you've never been to Hood River, Oregon, it's the type of place you'll never hear of because it's kind of culturally insignificant. Uh, and it's not as grand as the Grand Canyon or some of these other places, but you'd get there and be like, holy shit, how have I never heard of this place?
Andrew And it's also like 75% short term rentals. Yes. Like next to nobody lives there.
Everett And for 120 bucks a night too. Yeah. 120 bucks a night. You can stay in a condo, a beautiful condo with a terrific view of the Columbia River Gorge. Yes. And hiking, backpacking, fishing, the best, I mean, some of the best steelhead fishing in the world within an hour of there. Okay, Michael,
Unknown This message was sponsored by Oregon Travel.
Everett That's right. We don't mind. We don't mind. It doesn't feel bad at all to tell people the glory of Oregon because you're about to tell us about another part of Hood River.
Michael Happy So I have a big family in the United States, as I stated before. My grandfather was in the Flying Tigers, so everything linked to aviation is, is already there.
Everett You may need to, you may need to come back to Flying Tigers because some people are going to be like, what's Flying Tigers? And it's a neat story, but, but I'll, I'll let you tell the story on your own pace.
Michael Happy And the whole family flies. Okay. And my uncle needed a nice place. He can find some good land and an air, an airport. where he could put all his aviation, all his, um, airplane. So he's a collector of airplane. Uh, need to know my uncle invented a tree shaker. It is a tool that shakes tree to get all the Walnut, the orange. Yeah. And he invented the tree shaker from United States, from California, and they made quite some money. Okay.
Andrew I believe that.
Michael Happy And his son decided to collect aircraft and hired two guys to search all around United States, aircraft, old aircraft and parts he can build. And he started flying all these aircraft. And after maybe 20 aircraft, that was a bit too much. So he created this museum, one museum, uh, Western, uh, you can say it better than I do.
Andrew It's the, it's the Western. I have to look it up again. Western antique airplane and automobile museum. And it's got it all. It's a, I'm going to interrupt you real quick. It's got airplanes, cars, motorcycles, gliders, tractors, military, other vehicle. What's, I don't know what the other vehicles would consist of. Cause that seems to capture all the categories. Oh, there's like a, like those big bicycles with a huge front wheel.
Unknown Yeah.
Michael Happy So this museum is amazing and it started all by because of my, uh, an uncle decided to, uh, To collect planes. And one amazing story, he found a old Curtis Jenny, Siri number one. Holy shit. That didn't fly since 85 years and he restored it perfectly. And he was 18 something years old when he started flying with that plane back together and flying like a charm. That was amazing.
Andrew That's so cool.
Michael Happy It was amazing. He recreated this old aircraft from Curtis and wow. Uh, and, and since then, this museum is amazing. Um, and it's run by the family.
Andrew Have you been to the museum?
Michael Happy I've been, I've been, but last time I was there, it's already a nine years. So still a long time, but I still hope, uh, to go there again for the flying.
Andrew So a museum like that obviously shows the heritage of aviation and of motorsports in your family's blood. So you talked a little bit about the Flying Tigers. Let's hit that real quick, and then I'll finish my question.
Michael Happy So in 1940, the war was raging in Europe. And in the United States, Navy was ready to come in support of all that war. And my grandfather was asked if he wanted to join a crew of 180 people to go to China and to be called the Flying Tigers. These are the guys who trained the Chinese to fight against the Japanese in 1941. The Flying Tigers are so well known because they managed to put down so many Japanese aircraft, Japanese uh, bombers and, uh, still survived quite a lot, uh, damage. And, uh, my grandfather was, was there and it's in honor of honor of him and the whole flying tiger. I created my first watch called Curtis P 40, which is the name of that aircraft. The Curtis P 40.
Andrew Did he ever get to fly another one of those after the war?
Unknown No, no. But, uh,
Michael Happy He was a trainer on, on the ground. He was not one of the flying tigers that has all the, the, the big, uh, all the medals. Sure. But he was training all the Chinese on the ground in fake, uh, aircraft before they can fly in because they were one single seated. So they, they, they had to know from the start.
Everett They were tiny, right? They were, they were basically guns with wings on. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Well, that's, that's actually phenomenal. I know Andrew's got some follow-ups.
Andrew So I just, so with that answer in mind, you just talked, you sort of answered it, but how does that heritage within your family, how has that influenced your journey into the watch world and how does that continue to influence your decisions and how is it going to influence your decisions in the future?
Michael Happy I am, good question. I'm very proud of who I am. about the family that created me, we are all inherited from someone. So we need to say thanks to all our ancestors, because without them, we wouldn't be there, basically. So I'm so proud of all the stories. And we had to search quite long in our family blood, our ancestors, because we, we could have gone in Gestapo in Auschwitz. So we have Jewish blood in my family, And that Jewish blood made us very scared of our outcome outcome during the world war II in Belgium. And my grandfather was arrested and we had to search the family origin. And, um, we, we, we found some amazing thing. Like I spoke about the watch for the Curtiss P40. It's linked to the aviation thanks to my grandfather. But I have another watch, which is the Gavox legacy, who is inspired by marine clock, and the story behind there is an ancestor called Dirk Hartog discovered Australia before James Cook, and he is my ancestor. And now in the book, in Australia, they are telling stories about this guy who landed on the wrong side of the island and found only sharks and dry earth, left a stone there, and left back to the Netherlands, but I created then a watch based on that idea of exploration of the seas.
Everett And it's a wonderful watch too. You know, I'm always sort of critical when I listen to stories and I think, um, this is, this is a, this is the most interesting thing we've heard today and they're not going to tell us more. So we are going to put a link in the show notes to more of that story and you're going to have to help us out with that link, Michael. Um, but we're going to put more about that in the show notes. I think we do have to move on and I'm really, and it's really unfortunate. I feel like the entire episode has been, um, things that we need to know more about.
Andrew So we didn't really even talk about watches today.
Everett I know. I know. And that's, and that's okay. You know, I think sometimes that's okay. Uh, because, because there's so much here and we really could, we could do seven hours. We could probably do 20 hours with you. Um, and I, and I'm, and it's unfortunate. I do think we have to move on. Michael, is there anything, um, before we transition here, is there anything that you'd like to get an, uh, that you'd like to take an opportunity to talk about?
Michael Happy Um, I, I would like like a, a small boy saying thank you to every of your, your listeners that already know Gavox and that followed me and that are, I'm sure there are plenty of guys listening to your show and we already discussed, uh, No, I'm so happy that you invited me and that I can talk to your show. That's it. That's it. Let's make it simple.
Andrew Where can people find you? Not physically, I don't want them to come to your house, but where can they find your online presence? Where can they buy your watches? Where can they find cool pictures of your stuff?
Michael Happy The easy thing with Gavox is a name that no one used. So just go on Google and type Gavox, J-A-V-O-X. And Yeah. I don't have time. I can go on and on. So Gavox.com. Gavox.com. Perfect. And you'll find pictures everywhere. And the only thing I ask to my clients is if they have pictures of their wash on the wrist of somewhere, I'll be happy to post them. So this is a cool thing too.
Everett Love it. Fantastic. And there'll be links to find you in the, in our show notes as well. So on that said note, I do think we need to transition. Yeah, probably. To the time of the episode that everybody knows and loves.
Andrew Our wives, mostly. Our wives. The topic is not our wives, but our wives. This is what they listen to.
Everett Sometimes it is just our wives. Andrew, other things. What do you got?
Andrew Okay, so I have a pair of boots that I've put through the wringer. I've done terrible things to these boots. Boots. I love it. Boots. And it's by a company called Garment. G-A-R-M-O-N-T. T. Garmanta. Garment. Garment. Garmont. Sure.
Everett Garmont. Garmont.
Andrew So the. We should ask. We'll ask Michael when we get back to him. So so they they do a whole line of outdoor mountaineering, technical hiking, trail running. The boots that I'm going to talk about today are a pair of duty specific boots. I wore them while I was in the army and I have I've put them through the just very terrible experience. They're called the T8 B.I.F.I.D.A.
Everett Bifida, I think. Yeah, that's a very easy to remember name.
Andrew Yeah. Uh, I can't. Why is the picture is all cloudy still? Well, you know, here we go. Um, so they're like 150 bucks. The problem is they only come in coyote at 150 bucks. You got to order them from outside the country in any other color, but they are hands down. So, so they're designed kind of around the idea of the, um, the jungle boot style. They've got a little bit of a mesh upper, rough side out leather, great ventilation, a nice heel break. They are simultaneously the most comfortable and most supportive boots I have ever worn. If it was okay to wear boots like this in just normal life, I think this would be the only pair of shoes I ever wore. I've put hundreds and hundreds of miles on this pair of boots and they are not worn out yet. I don't know how. They're indestructible.
Everett You know, I think that they've got... Right out of the box, too. Sorry. They've got a sole that's a little bit more substantial, right? You see that with many of the modern tactical boots, you see, you know, really sort of foamy, absorby mid soles. And these have a more substantial mean, which means you're maybe going to sacrifice a little bit in the way of shock resistance and shock absorption, perhaps. They're maybe not going to be the softest, most cushy boots. But that's not always what you want.
Unknown No.
Everett These are in the style of those very first Danner boots as the United States military was transitioning from the tactical boots of old to modern sort of hiking style.
Andrew They remind me of like the not Corcoran, but like the yeah, any of the Vietnam era jungle boots, the black and green jungle boot. They're styled very similarly after that, but they're they're Soles are extraordinarily durable. They're comfortable right out of the box. I've never gotten a blister in these. And I'm going to put them to the test in the mountains this year. Yeah. Two weeks. Yep. Two weeks. I'm going to go 16 days is my goal.
Everett You've given me the announcement already that we're either going to have to can some episodes or have some guest hosts in September. So noted. Noted. Those are fantastic. Yeah. I dig them. I dig them. I think there's always that. There's always that, anytime you're buying boots, there's always that balance between comfort and durability, right? And I think they strike probably on the durability side.
Andrew Yeah, they tend towards durability, but the comfort is unparalleled. They still strike a great balance there, so.
Everett Well, cool. I've got it.
Unknown What was that? I am tempted.
Michael Happy You managed to tempt me. Look at that.
Andrew If you do any kind of outdoor pursuit and they the the black boots, I was going to order a pair for for my current job, but they only they would they only I can only find them out of Italy. So they might actually be easier for you to find and not coyote. Probably brown.
Everett Fantastic. Yeah. So I've got I'm coming. I'm coming out of left field. Do it for my other thing.
Andrew So it's not HBO or Netflix.
Everett It's not probably not Hulu. It's it's not. So I'm going to talk about something weird. I'm going to talk about something very fucking expensive. I mean, not very expensive, but in the grand scheme of things, pretty expensive.
Andrew I think relative to what people are typically willing to spend money on, it's expensive.
Everett You know, I think with a lot of the things we do, we're in that world, you and I, and perhaps you as well, Michael. We're in that world where, you know, our our natural curiosity about the way things work and how to how to get more out of your products leads us into more and more expensive options that achieve certain functions, right? So I spend 90% of all of my waking hours on my ass in a chair, all right?
Andrew And the other 10% spent running. Right.
Everett That's actually not totally inaccurate. So I have been through a number of office chairs in my life I was an employee for a long time, and as an employee, both of the United States Army and of other businesses, had the opportunity to sit in some pretty nice chairs, right? So the United States Army has contracts. They just spared no expense with their chairs. And there's some good reasons for that, right? The United States Army pays a lot of money in disability benefits. And despite what you might think, most soldiers, service members, most service members spend most of their time on their ass in a chair. You know, there are certain occupations in the Army where you don't do that, but by and large, most of your stateside force is on their ass in a chair.
Andrew Even deployed, you're in a chair. They're just not as comfortable. That's right.
Everett So the United States Army has contracts with a company called Herman Miller. You've probably heard of Herman Miller. Herman Miller makes some very cool chairs, you know, MoMA stuff. but also functional office chairs. So when I became an owner of a company a number of years ago, I had this, you know, no longer do I get the chair that I'm given. And I was fortunate enough to have been given some pretty good chairs. Now I'm in the situation where I need to buy a chair for my ass to be in. And I think most people, this is my guess, I think most people when they think about how much should I spend on a chair, It's in the $150 to $250 range. That's probably a reasonable assumption. Somewhere in there. And I have determined, after a number of years of having bought my own chairs, that that's not good enough for me. I'm going to be sacrificing a couple of things in that range. And different things, depending on the chair you choose. So I finally, this year, made the decision that I was going to have a budget and buy a chair. And I did that. I did that. And it took me a long time to decide which chair I wanted. I settled on a chair called the Herman Miller Mira II, M-I-R-R-A II.
Andrew I thought that was a pronunciation of M-I-R-R-O-R. The Mira.
Everett Mira. Black Mira. No, Mira. And so this is a chair that's sort of designed by a sort of Holt design firm to look good, to be stylish, but also to be functional as all get out. And so I bought this chair. I got a refurb. I got a refurb Mira 2 for 600 motherfucking dollars, which hurts.
Andrew If it doesn't hurt when you sit in it. I sat in it a couple days ago. It was delightful.
Everett I will tell you, I never thought I was going to spend this kind of money on a refurbished chair, but I did. And it's wonderful. It's wonderful. I have never, my ass has never been so happy with any decision I've ever made. Any sort of, uh, acquisition your lumbar never I mean just think how happy your lumbar the lumbar is happy too so uh you know I guess I guess the point being not that you should buy the mirror too because I'm not sure that everybody should buy the mirror too but I do what I what my other thing is here is if you're in an occupation which I think most of you are where you're sitting down and you have to buy your own shit spend more than you think you should and here's why here's why I spend at least at least one third of my total hours in this motherfucker. Sometimes more. You need to take care of your body for that one-third of your... I mean, not just one-third of my waking hours. One-third of my time is spent in this chair. Maybe not quite one-third, but at least 30%. I mean, you for sure sleep in it. I could, right? So the point is not to buy this chair, but I've been two months. My body feels better. I'm I know I can get there.
Michael Happy Does it have a body massage or a bottom massage?
Everett You know, that's the one thing it's missing, Michael.
Unknown Oh, don't say that. Don't say that. I'm going to get sued.
Everett Yeah, because I do have employees and they will sue me. Michael, other things. What do you got?
Michael Happy Okay. I read a book, probably a lot of you read it. It's called Sapiens, a small history of humankind, humanity. And I learned so much thing with this history of the world, how, how all the thing we assume is a bit different than, than what he says. It's from Yuval Noah Harari. And I recently heard another thing from him, maybe it was on TEDx or somewhere else, where he is warning us of being us, human being, being hacked by all the data around us. So he was saying that we are leaving so many tracks of ourselves on the data that computers are able to understand us more than our wives. It's a bit scary, but it's worth noticing that I have my cousin, um, who helped me making watches. We haven't spoken enough about that, but my cousin, he's in investing in application that blur the whole search on internet blur, all his payment blur, all the things he purchased in order not to be tracked and being a hackable. Because if we know everything about you, we can change you. That's what he was saying. But if you have never heard about the book Sapiens, it's amazing. And then it comes into the Homo Deus. So Sapiens, everything before our history and Homo Deus, everything has a potential future. So, okay. I don't know the guy. I'm not doing advertisement, but, uh, I loved it.
Andrew I've I've listened to a lot of podcasts where he's either been a guest or they've talked about it, and he's absolutely fascinating. He's I think like an anthropologist by trade. And he and his his perspective on human history and human future is really fascinating. Great pig. Yeah, exactly.
Everett You know, and I'm going to read this because I'm fascinated. There's another book that it that just the concept reminds me of. There's a book by an author, a professor called Jared Diamond is his name. called Guns, Germs and Steel, which is sort of human evolution by way of these sort of discrete items, you know, these discrete substances, guns, germs and steel. And it's just the concept sort of reminds me of that. So I wonder as companion, as companion treatises, how they how they'd respond to one another. So I may do guns, germs, steel, sapiens.
Andrew Homo Deus is the next one. He's done a couple, too. He's he's fascinating.
Everett Well, wonderful. Michael, we do probably need to wrap today. I'm going to tell you at home listening. If you if you're not familiar with Gavox, check about Gavox.com. Michael's got just a series of fantastic watches, and they're all worth mentioning. And we didn't probably spend enough time with each of the individual watches today, but that's OK. Maybe we'll get there. Maybe we'll get there in the future. And we do have a couple of watches that we're posting pictures of and we'll continue to do so. Also, Gavox watches on Instagram dot com. Michael, anything you want to add before we go?
Michael Happy I want to thank you again, Everett, Andrew, so many thanks being on the show. And it feels so cool. I have been invited to Oregon. I have just traveled a small time now into United States, Oregon. Great.
Everett You know, wonderful. Anytime you come back, give us a holler.
Andrew Oh, we'd love to meet you in Hood River and have some beers up there.
Everett Great beer in Hood River too.
Michael Happy Come here in Belgium, I'll offer you all the different beers, 1000 beer, and we'll taste them.
Andrew Yours is way better than mine.
Unknown All of them.
Everett So thank you for joining us for this episode of 40 and 20, the Watch, Clicker podcast. Check us out on Instagram at 40 and 20. Don't forget to check out Gavox at Gavox Watches. If you want to support the show, patreon.com slash 40 and 20. That's where we get all the support for our microphones, our hosting, everything we do. Yeah, Don't forget to tune back in next Thursday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Buh-bye.