Episode 9: Racing Chronos

Published on Thu, 27 Dec 2018 00:28:00 -0800

Synopsis

The hosts Andrew and Everett discuss racing chronograph watches, including the iconic styles like the Heuer Monaco and Rolex Daytona. They share some background on the origins of racing watches. They each recommend several affordable racing chronograph options, like the Seiko SSB031, Gakota C-01 Diver, EMG Horizon chronograph, and a Seiko motorcycle watch. They also discuss other topics like drinks they enjoy like W.L. Weller bourbon and the Netflix show The Last Kingdom.

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Speaker
Andrew	Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. This is the 40 in 20 podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Thanks for joining us.
Everett	Everett, how are you? I'm really good. I'm really excited to be over the hump. We're through Christmas. Yes. So we're recording. This is the day before this will come out. So it's going to come out on the 27th. Today's the 26th. I had my first day back at work from my long weekend. I know you worked also on Christmas Eve. On Monday. Yeah, which is over. And today. Yeah, but whatever.
Unknown	Yeah, it's fine.
Everett	There's worse things. Worse things than having to work a little bit. So yeah, but excited to be on the other side of that thing that was Christmas.
Andrew	It's crazy how everything builds and builds and builds into Christmas and then it happens and it's almost
Everett	anticlimactic for all the buildup like as great as christmas eve and christmas day are it's like it's a little anticlimactic for all the hype i think at least yeah no i i mean i think that that's pretty reasonable um you know i remember feeling that as a as a kid the anticipation and the the hype obviously as an adult i think you probably the same but we sort of uh know what gifts are like before we even get going but So not that same thing, but still there's this food anticipation and this party or event anticipation. And yeah, I think it's a little anticlimactic once you get through it. Oh, that was that. It's just a day. It is just a day.
Andrew	It's a busy day and a fun day. I mean, I had a great Christmas, but it's still, you know, we got up, we had Christmas morning as a family. We drove to Portland. We did one family. We went to the next family. And then came home and then I went to work the next day. It was just just like a. A good reason to celebrate. I mean, I love seeing my family. Yeah, but I don't know. Just a little little anticlimactic, I think, even as fun as it is.
Everett	And I think driving to it adds to that. I think driving adds to that a little bit. We you know, we had folks here again. It's not my wife's family this time, but my family came down and it was very it was very nice to have people here. And but there's a different the anticipation is different than the anticipation is. Um, for us, for me at least, it's sort of related to how are we going to house all these people for this period of time? Where's everybody going to sleep? Uh, where are people going to sit when they're eating? I mean, there were more people in my house than there are chairs in my house. We literally had to get chairs to put butts in.
Andrew	We did that for Thanksgiving a few years ago. I, and I still have like eight metal folding chairs and two of the big plastic collapsible tables for that very purpose. Hallelujah, Costco. Should have told me. Had I known, I would have dragged them over.
Everett	You know, we were able to, we had enough people coming in, driving in from out of town that we were like, just throw a camping chair in your bag, which wound up working out really well. Because they're cup holders. That's right. That's right. I actually sat in one cup holder for several hours. Better part of a day. Yeah. Yeah, we had ham. I love ham. It's the only time I eat ham. I know. I don't eat enough ham, I don't think. I don't know. I mean, I think I eat probably just enough because I eat it at Christmas and I'm like, ham is so good. I think if I ate it more, it wouldn't be as enjoyable. The same way with turkey.
Andrew	I think it would be. I think it'd be just as enjoyable.
Everett	We've got a Christmas tradition. My dad makes a dish. It's called spaghetti. I don't think it's actually called that. I don't think you would be able to Google spaghetti. It's sort of a creation, an internal creation, but it's, you know, it's really just a sort of pasta, a cheesy pasta casserole. It's lots and lots of cheese. Um, I think there's a chopped olives and a tomato paste and more cheese and elbow macaroni. It's just this cheese casserole cheese and elbow macaroni casserole, which sounds like baked macaroni and cheese.
Andrew	It's not. I was going to say it sounds kind of like baked macaroni.
Everett	It's a tomato base. So it's a little different. But I mean, really, that's what it is anyway. Fantastic. So we have that. We have ham, you know, these these Christmas sort of staples that we have. It's a less elaborate. It's a less elaborate setup than Thanksgiving. Definitely. But just more or maybe not more, but equally satisfying.
Andrew	I feel like it's more family tradition oriented on Christmas, like for Christmas meals. Everyone's got their family traditions versus the typical Thanksgiving fare.
Everett	Society doesn't demand a special menu for Christmas.
Andrew	And you've got leftover eggnog, which I really appreciate.
Everett	Yep, we're drinking the eggnog with a little bit of E&J brandy. Only the best brandy in this house. Only the best. I think you can get a half gallon of this stuff for like $4.50.
Andrew	It goes nicely with eggnog. I don't care how much it costs.
Everett	Yeah, right? You know, you brought over... What'd you bring over?
Andrew	I brought over... I don't know. I've never had it before. My dad got it for me. It's Portland, Oregon, Burnside, Oregon Oaked Bourbon.
Everett	Is it Burnside is the distillery?
Andrew	I think so. I don't know. It looks that way. Yeah. Maybe it's not in Garyana Oak Barrels. Am I saying that right?
Everett	What's Garyana? I don't know. Is that two people? It's all one word. Gariana. Yeah. Oregon Oaked Bourbon. Oregon Oaked Bourbon.
Andrew	It's just a small distillery in Portland from what I understand. Yeah. I'm excited to crack it open and try it.
Everett	My wife did last night. Eastside Distilling. This is the one. They've got the tap house there on MLK as you're getting on as you're like going over that overpass that goes over Division Powell. It's interesting. Is it sealed up? Can I smell?
Unknown	Yeah, give it a minute.
Everett	Give that a little sniff, guys. It smells good. It does. I mean, it smells like bourbon. Yeah. Which I love.
Andrew	Yeah. So we'll give that a try. We'll let you know how it is.
Everett	We had some extra. I had about a half gallon of eggnog left in the fridge that we have to kill, so we're... We'll work on that. We're working on that tonight. Well, so we actually, this is round two for us. We tried to record this weekend. We normally record on the weekends to give time for editing and whatnot, but we had to call it. How are you feeling?
Andrew	Good. I finally, well, like I said on Sunday when we tried to record, I feel good. I just didn't have a voice. We got through, I don't know, seven minutes and I was like, let's play it back. And it was, it was too bad. I, we, we opted to spare you all the, uh, horrible sound that was coming from my mouth.
Everett	You know, it wasn't that bad. I think probably you would have been self-conscious, but it wasn't that bad. You just sound like, you just sounded like you had lost your voice. But my concern was you were fine on minute seven. Minute 20, what are you going to be like? Minute 50? I'd just be in a whisper. I'd be cracking.
Andrew	It would have been terrible.
Everett	Well, your voice hasn't come all the way back, but I think you're 90% yourself. Yeah, it's pretty close. So if he gets a little squeaky, he's not going through a second puberty.
Andrew	I mean, I saw I could grow taller, maybe get the beard to fill in.
Everett	So that would be a welcome. Yeah. Never mind the pimples and hormonal imbalance.
Andrew	There's worse things.
Everett	all right all right well good good so merry christmas to all of you uh uh glad glad to have you again we're talking about we're talking about racing chronos this week yes the next step in our series of styles of watches and we decided on racing chronos this week because i i picked up a new watch yes you did and i love it dan henry 1972 this is the newest Offering from Dan Henry if you follow us on Instagram, you've probably already seen it because we've posted a couple times posted a couple pictures That's right It deserves them though.
Andrew	It's a good-looking watch.
Everett	It's a stunner. I opted for the silver case Because I'm sort of I don't know negative about vintage loom the retro antique loom And I think it can work in certain applications, but I do think it gets overused. And in fact, one of the things I've said about Dan Henry over time is I would love that watch if not for the vintage loom. Uh, and that's not unique to Dan Henry. There's, there's Seiko's with antique loom. There's all these watches with this sort of faux Tina that, uh, it rubs me just a little bit wrong. Like, like jeans with holes. I want to put my own holes in the jeans and I do. Yeah. So I don't need to buy jeans with holes in them. I like wearing, I like the rigid jeans that later become holey with holes in places that make sense for my body. Yeah.
Andrew	Where my phone is, where my keys are, where my wallet is, and then where my legs rub together. Right.
Everett	Me too. Me too. You know, I, a few years back, so I actually bought my wife a sewing machine. She wanted a sewing machine and I did the, I did the hunt. Okay. the way we hunt for things. If you, if you're regular listener, you know, Andrew and I are both acquisition experts. We, we research things into the ground, uh, make overeducated sort of unreasonably informed decisions about our purchases. Sometimes unreasonably informed. I think typically. Yeah. So my wife wanted a sewing machine. Uh, I think she thought I was going to buy like a $90 sewing machine. I wound up buying this. sort of over the top expensive it really wasn't that much i think i paid you know 300 ish for it 350 maybe i can't remember exactly but got this very fine sewing machine and my wife i think has used it approximately five times since we bought it three years ago and she loves it and i think she loves having it when she wants it but she didn't she didn't want me to buy her a hobby she wanted me to buy her a sewing machine tool to do things with when she needed So I felt like I had to take it upon myself to learn how to use this thing. And I have, I haven't made dresses or Halloween costumes or anything, but yeah, right, right yet. Uh, but I, I have learned the most useful thing I've learned to do is to darn my jeans. Uh, I watched some YouTube videos and bought some, uh, denim color, like faded denim color thread, and I've learned how to darn my jeans. And that is a lifesaver. Cause I buy. Not cheap jeans. My wife works for a denim company, for a jeans company. And so, uh, I get sometimes very good deals on pretty cool jeans. And I've now learned how to repair them. So when I get the blowouts in the crotch, I get the like taint blowout. Yeah, I get that too. And so I've learned how to repair the taint of my jeans, uh, in a way. It's a little stiff right after you do it, but then after a while, it just, it looks like jeans. It feels like jeans.
Andrew	Breaks right in.
Everett	Breaks right in. So Dan Henry, 1972. Fantastic. So I did opt for the silver version because anti-fotina. Do you have any black cased watches? I don't. And I'm actually just right now, I think when you came over this weekend, I was saying, gosh, part of me is having buyer's remorse. I wish I got the black version. And I know that I would feel the same way if I'd gotten the black version. I'd feel the same way. So maybe the answer is I just need to buy the other one. Although that feels like... Both.
Andrew	Yeah, that fits.
Everett	It fits. I think there's other, there's too many other watches I want. That's, yeah, that too. So, uh, it was a, uh, you know, Dan, we love you. We love your watches. Um... Yeah, we do. But it feels like you could have given us... Just make a special one just for Everett. I'm gonna need you to do this special order for me. Uh, and you know, his, his watches are all limited edition and I'm making finger quotes because you know, with the 1972s, there were literally 2000 of each. So that, I mean, I think that the idea is he's going to make those 2000 and never make any more.
Andrew	But to call that limited edition feels a little, I mean, that's a, that's a, not a, it's not a ton of units. I mean, it's relatively limited. It's not like a never ending supply where you'll be able to pick them up. Sure. Brand new for the next five years. That's reasonable to call limited. Yeah. I feel like 2,000, 2,500 is kind of the threshold for calling something a limited edition, limited release.
Everett	If you're Seiko, for sure, that's a limited release. That's fair, yeah. But Dan Henry, I'm not sure how many units he's selling, but I know that these are similar numbers to what he's made in the past, and he's sold those watches for a year or more. So I don't know. It is what it is. It's a limited edition, but of 2,000 units. So take that, that phrase with a grain of, a grain of salt. In any event, the watch is spectacular. It is, it's probably my favorite watch right now. I mean, I know that changes, but I bought watches before and didn't feel that way immediately. I got this thing and as soon as I got it, I was like, man, I love it.
Andrew	It's my favorite watch. I was excited to see it. When you texted me that it'd come in, I was pumped to come see it. And it held up. It delivered.
Everett	It delivers right I mean it's one of those and I think I knew as soon as I saw it I'm gonna like that watch but but you never know the size is always a little different than you expect it's gonna be and everything else it's the proportions are perfect. Or the bracelet doesn't feel right. You know the bracelet on this thing I don't have it on the bracelet right now but the bracelet on this thing is so interesting it's it's bead blasted the whole thing is bead blasted and and I got this again I got the silver version not the the black version so the color the color of the bracelet looks to me like blasted aluminum because it's got that sort of bright it looks like blasted aluminum for whatever reason i get into my head that it must be blasted aluminum i had to actually i had to write dan and say is this steel and he confirmed it's 100 steel but it's so light yeah it's so comfortable i've had this this must be aluminum or or something it feels like it it's not though he assures me it's 100 stainless which is not and and that sounds i mean i think maybe That suggestion sounds like a criticism, and I certainly don't mean it that way. No, it's just so light. The whole watch really is so light. Really cool. And you guys have seen it. Check out the Instagram if you haven't. It is a stunner. I will say, though, I wore it on my Barton Elite silicone for about three days. So I got it. I put it on the bracelet, or I just had it on the bracelet. I sized that bracelet. Oh, by the way, sizing that bracelet is a pain in the dick. That is the my one criticism about that watch is sizing that bracelet is brutal. The hardest bracelet I've ever sized. So if you want to take that as as feedback, Mr. Henry, if you're listening, I'm sure you're not. But that is that was my criticism. That is a brutally painful bracelet to size. I figured it out. Eventually, I wound up taking the screw end off my version tool and just lining it up and in that little in a little tool and tapping them out with a hammer.
Andrew	But that's a lot. That brute force, I I feel like is, uh, it's a little scary to apply to a watch. When I resized the, the, uh, world timer bracelet, all of the recommendations for how to pop that key out of the, out of the bracelet was finishing nail and pliers. And that concerned me. I was like, no, no, no, no. I have a tool for this when in fact the preferred method and best tool for the job is in fact a finishing nail. Tools you will need.
Everett	mig welder yeah right cutting torch that's that's too much dremel so yeah bracelet bracelet was a pain in the ass to size other than that i've been just absolutely enamored by that watch since i got it but but i wore it a couple days on that bracelet and i decided to put it on my barton elite silicone it was actually when you were here last weekend yeah and uh it looks phenomenal it really does it looks so good i don't know that i've posted a picture of this but It's a hooded lug. The 1972 has these hooded lugs and the Spartan Elite silicone in the blue coloring. The blue is almost a dead ringer for the blue on the second hand. And it just looks like it was made to go this way. I wore it that way probably for three days straight. I have a red burn on my wrist.
Andrew	And you've worn this bracelet or this strap before.
Everett	I don't know that I've ever worn it that many days in a row. Interesting. I wore it for, I think, three days in a row. I'm wondering if I have a mild silicone allergy. I don't know if that's a thing. I felt like silicone, in my mind, silicone is the most inert substance on earth. Evidently not to your skin. Yeah, I mean, it's a clear as day a red burn on my wrist.
Andrew	It's a good rash, yeah. Maybe some soap got under there or something?
Everett	Yeah, that might be it. I mean, I'm going to let this heal, obviously. It doesn't hurt. I can't feel it. It looks like something got under there. That might be it.
Andrew	Although, you could have a silicone allergy. I've not heard of that before.
Everett	Weird things have happened. Me either. I haven't heard of it either. But it's clear as day. It's something at the same location as my watch irritated me.
Andrew	So I think what I'm going to do is probably- I'll just take the watch and the strap. You can just have it all. Yeah, I'll just take it all from you. We'll just mitigate the issue.
Everett	If anybody knows, is that a thing? A silicone allergy? Does anybody else have this? You know, like you said, it's very possible something got under there. Soap or something. So I'm going to probably clean this thing maybe with some vinegar or something. Some soap. Well, yeah. clean it, uh, clean it really well. And then I'll give it another try. Uh, like you said, I, I've worn this thing and not have issues. So, uh, I'd be disappointed if I can't, I love the strap. It's a good strap. I bought this strap from my emperor diver, which has come in. And if, if I, if the strap is a no go for me, I'm going to be Trey disappoint. That's Spanish.
Andrew	I think, I think it was a couple of languages, most of them being made up.
Everett	Uh, so yeah. Uh, that's that. So, uh, you know, some of you guys will know this. Dan Henry 1972 is a homage, homage. I don't like that word. Homage. Homage. Bruschetta.
Andrew	Exactly.
Everett	Uh, this thing is an homage to this 1972 Orfina, Porsche design, Orfina make racing chrono. Uh, this, a very famous watch and it's been done. by many version made by Bernhardt. They make a Le Jour version of this. So it's not, you know, a couple of people I've heard that, oh, they're just, they're, they're remaking the Le Jour. Well, this is like a pilot's watch. There's been so many companies that have made this 7750 style chronograph that, that at some point it's sort of like fair game, right? Yeah. Right. It's fair game. Um, and, and so that's what Dan Henry's done. It's beautiful. Um, the, the, the original Orfina design was, I think, I think the first all black wristwatch.
Andrew	I don't know.
Everett	I think that that's my understanding that Tom Cruise, Orfina, 7750 style, um, racing watch, first black watch. But that got me and Andrew thinking, well, look, we should do racing chronos or racing watches for this next episode.
Andrew	Yeah. And that's what we've done. So here we are 20 minutes in finally on topic.
Everett	That's okay. I mean, it's not going to take us forever to get there.
Andrew	No, so let's talk a little about erasing chronos. And as we're looking at this style of watch, the only things that I can piecemeal together that dictate what makes a racing chrono is two. One is a chronograph complication. And two, it's got to be sexy. Those are the only two requirements.
Everett	Yeah. Well, and not even chronograph. I mean, there are driving watches that don't have chronographs. But I think most of the ones we're going to talk about. Because we're talking about racing chronographs.
Andrew	So if we're going to, we'll put a little asterisk there and say racing chronographs, the only requirements are that they are sexy and that they have a chronograph function. Yes. Because when you look at the Monaco's, which are iconic racing watches, there's no No tachymeter on there.
Everett	No tachymeter scale. That's right.
Andrew	Even though that's something that you would expect out of a racing chronograph. And there's a story behind like how the Monaco became this iconic racing watch. And it was really just luck. Like it just happened to be that Steve McQueen didn't want to wear a Speedmaster in the filming of Le Mans. So they went with Hoyer. Hoyer had a couple watches on set, two of them being racing chronographs and one being the Monaco. And they had multiple units of the Monaco on set. So that's what he wore. And it's because he didn't want to wear the Speedmaster because he didn't want to be used as a name behind Omega. And turns out that he then defined an entire style of racing watches or created it really didn't define it. He created this iconic racing watch style because he wore it in Le Mans.
Everett	Le Mans? Le Mans? Le Mans? What year was that? That's one of the... So that was 1132 Monaco, right? Which is that classic blue, very square, angular case.
Andrew	Just the pure square. I think they're like 38 by 38.
Everett	Yeah, right. So, which is interesting because when you see McQueen wearing that watch, it looks like he's got a license plate strapped to his wrist. It's because it's tall. They're tall. And you know, I think a square-cased watch is just going to be a lot bigger than a round-cased watch of the same dimensions. You know, that was one of the things I've noticed just over time. Even cushion-cased watches with the square, they wear bigger than you think they're going to. A 38 millimeter is a huge, you know, I've seen some guys in these, I think the newer Monaco's are 41 or 42. And these, they look like they've got a fish tank on there.
Andrew	I mean, you're picking up what, 15% more real estate with a square versus a circle. I mean, I don't know geometry good, so. I don't do math real good. But I don't know if, I mean.
Everett	Yeah. You're picking up a lot of real estate. I think that's right. I mean, I would be, I would be disinclined to wear that newer monocoque just because it's so huge uh it with being a that big square so i think they look cool though i don't know if i'd ever wear one but i think they look cool they're certainly sexy they fit the bill for a racing watch right well so um i car racing is interesting because it's it to me just just in general because car racing is something that we take for granted but it's pretty new i mean it's newer than so many things that feel new right so yeah 1894 i have as as maybe one of the very first car races if not the first there's a uh paris run uh paris ruin i'm gonna say that wrong so if you're french i'm sorry assuming uh the first horseless carriage race 1894 obviously in france It was a loop from those two places, maybe a loop or it was, I think it was either an out of back or just straight line. They had like many different official times because they didn't have the ability to keep, to keep time. So then, uh, right after that, this sort of thing that's racing takes off, gets hugely popular in a town in Florida that we'll all know the name of Daytona becomes this famous, famous, famous racing place. And they're racing all over the world at this point. Um, the first racing watch, like official racing watch, and not that it's a racing watch, but the first reference to a racing watch I could find is when Sir Malcolm Campbell, AKA Anthony, Anthony Hopkins, uh, set his land speed record at Bonneville. He was wearing a Rolex oyster and he somewhat famously wrote a letter to Rolex that says, Your watch survived some crazy hard conditions, and I love it. You know it sounds really canned to me, but That led Rolex to sort of market their Oyster watch at the time as a racing watch Although it does not have a chronograph and that was sort of before that was a thing But the first racing watch was just a Rolex Oyster.
Andrew	Just a watch.
Everett	Because good ol' Sir Malcolm Campbell Wore his when he sold his Lamb Speed record and then bragged about it. He probably got a bucket load of money Probably a couple of free watches. That would be my guess. Yeah.
Andrew	That's interesting because it makes sense because it's I mean, it fits the the mold for a need for an accurate way to keep and measure time. It's I mean, that's that's all it is. It's it's time. I mean, all motor sports. That's all they are. It's a race against a clock. Or other cars. Yeah, but it's still against the clock like to do it. You got to do it faster. You got to you got to be the fastest, which is covering distance over a period of time. True.
Everett	You're getting really deep right now.
Andrew	And all I'm saying is that this is the the bringing watches in the motorsports makes perfect sense. Totally. So why not for watch companies? Why not start designing watches specifically catering to this unique need that has arisen?
Everett	Well, and so while Rolex was making their oyster cases, Heuer obviously became really closely associated with racing. Even before the wristwatch was a thing, Heuer was famous for- Making those dashboard mounted ones, right? Their dashboard clocks. So a couple of them in particular, the Master Time and the Monte Carlo, I looked up pictures of these and they're pretty cool looking. In fact, we've got some up on the computer right now. Cool looking like I I want to get one as an alarm clock I don't know. Can you pick these up? You must be able to I don't know. Are they outrageously expensive? I mean this thing is cool. I'd like to get one and put it on my wallet work or something. Oh, that'd be cool They're not cheap.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	No, that's uh, that's a little bit more than a conversation piece, you know, and they probably don't I don't know that they even tell time, uh Or they just stop watches. Oh more research needed. Uh, if you have one you want to sell it to me for cheap, uh, i'll be here But yeah, so their Master Time, their Monte Carlo, and also, a name we'll know, the Heuer Octavia. The Heuer Octavia was a fairly famous dashboard clock until they turned it into a wristwatch in 1962, and it became the third leg of the Heuer Big Three wristwatches, the Monaco, the Carrera, and the Octavia, which are all watches that we know and love today. Uh, the Octavia I think is probably my favorite of that bunch with its real classic, I don't know, it looks like, I'd call it a dive style chronograph, although it's not, that's not the intended purpose.
Andrew	I like it. I like them all. I don't know if they're for me, but I still like looking at them.
Everett	Yeah. You know, of those three, I think probably my favorite is the, my favorite is the Octavia. It's just got that really sort of simple, functional dive style chronograph design. I love them. In fact, I tried on a Bell and Ross not too long ago that looked, it was, it looked like an homage to an Octavian. I don't know enough about it to say that it was for sure, but, um, had that same style and I almost bought it at the airport. And my wife was like, no, you're not. No, you're not buying that. So, um, Hoyer first automatic chronograph movement in 1969, the caliber 11.
Andrew	Yep. They dropped all three of them right at the same time. It's a big deal. That is a big deal.
Everett	Yeah. But I had to read it a couple of times because I was like, there's no way that's true. Uh, but yeah, I guess something about the column wheel made it harder to apply, uh, an automatic movement. Yeah. I mean, a feat of technology. Those Heuer guys, gosh darn them. So cool. So yeah, Steve McQueen and his Monaco. Other famous racing watches. I mean, we've talked about Heuer, we've talked about the Rolex Oyster, not a driving watch, uh, but still maybe the first driving watch. Speedmaster. Some of you might be surprised to learn that Speedmaster is not just a Moonwatch. Although that's what it's known for. Originally a racing watch. Yeah. And they still to this day sell Speedmasters that are marketed specifically at racing, at car driving. But yeah, not originally a Moonwatch, although now it's known that way and even marketed that way.
Andrew	Makes sense. It's certainly more exciting than as a racing watch.
Everett	Is it? I don't know. It actually kind of excites me to think that it's a car racing watch more than, I mean, I'm never going to go to the moon. I might.
Andrew	Me either, but I'd like a watch that could go to the moon.
Everett	I'm sure as hell going to rev my LS 400 up in the driveway though. And I'll feel better about doing that if I'm wearing a racing watch. True. Sometimes I rev it up and the kids get excited. They're like, yeah.
Andrew	Pounding on the door. Yeah. Daddy, daddy, daddy.
Everett	And the other one. The Daytona. The Daytona. Right. That's in particular the 6234, oh no, the 6239. The classic Paul Newman Daytona. Yeah. Which they sell for a billion, billion, trillion dollars. Probably worth it. Do you think? I don't know. So the story behind that Newman Daytona is cool and tragic. I'm not familiar. So his daughter was dating a guy. back, I don't know, probably in the eighties, I'm guessing. And he came over to the house and helped Paul Newman build, I think, build a tree house. And as a gift for the weekend, he gave him a Rolex because, you know, like you do, someone comes over and helps and you don't make them dinner, buy them a six pack. You give them a extremely expensive luxury Swiss luxury watch.
Andrew	If you're Paul Newman, I guess it makes sense, but I was going to say, I've helped a lot of people and that's not been what I've gotten out of the deal.
Everett	And so that one in particular, I think, had been engraved by his wife. And there's two of them. There's the drive slow or drive slow me. Anyway, there's two separate inscriptions. One of them's from his daughter. One of them's from his wife. The wife's inscription, I think it's drive careful me, is the more famous of the two. That was given to the boyfriend, the daughter's boyfriend. And he kept it because he's not going to give it back when they break up, I guess. Yeah. That's the one that was auctioned a few years ago for a gazillion bucks. I didn't know that. Yeah. Interesting.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	So that's the full and unabridged history of racing watches. And there it is. Just transcribe this and put it into Wikipedia. Yeah. No, that's hard. It was much harder to like come up with a history of racing watches than it was for field watches.
Andrew	Yeah, because they were, the development of them was fast. It was just boom. They were on the scene. Everyone's doing something. They're all serving a specific function. They all look sexy as hell. And then suddenly they're everywhere. And now we have a whole bunch that we can look at and talk about.
Everett	And I think you sort of nailed it when you started talking about it, that there's no real, like there's no real requirement for what it means to be a racing watch. So even at Even a tachymeter scale, while useful, just not required.
Andrew	Went out the window when the Monaco became the iconic racing watch.
Everett	Yeah, I mean, maybe that's true. I think so. The requirement, at least, as opposed to the scale itself.
Andrew	Well, yeah, I mean, the requirement for it, because it became the persona, if you will, of racing chronographs.
Everett	And it's got, you know, it's got a number of variations over the year, but I don't know that any of them have that, that techie scale.
Andrew	So I didn't look at year by year, but they certainly didn't originally.
Everett	Is there any more iconic racing watch than that? Not that comes to mind. I mean, arguably the Daytona.
Andrew	Yeah, but I think the Daytona kind of stands on its own independent of racing.
Everett	It's named after a racetrack.
Andrew	Yeah, but maybe I'm wrong.
Everett	I don't know. I mean, let us know.
Andrew	Let us know if there's a more iconic Andrew's been wrong a lot, so don't feel bad. I am always wrong, and I say things with such conviction that oftentimes people believe it.
Everett	It's like you're a referee selling the call. If you don't know what the call was, you blow your whistle and point harder.
Andrew	And he was giving them the business. Let us know. What do you think of as iconic racing chronographs? When we say a racing chronograph, what comes to mind?
Everett	Yeah, I mean, I think we've hit the nail on the head. It's either the Monaco or the Daytona. Between those two, I think it's one of those that's the most, I mean, you know, it's subjective. And too sexy as hell watches. Someone's gonna be like, uh, the most iconic is a Seiko SKX because I wore one when I went to Deadwood, or not Deadwood, what is it?
Andrew	When I went to Las Vegas and paid my hundred bucks to race a Porsche around the track.
Everett	Well, uh, you know, we love your comments. We actually haven't had too much of it. Every once in a while we get a comment or two. That's like, Oh my gosh, you know, just a little more aggressive than I think I would be in that same context.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	It hasn't been a ton of that.
Andrew	No, they stand out though. They do.
Everett	They do. Uh, you know, by and large, they come by way of, uh, of, of DM. So. They're private and they've always turned into interesting conversations.
Andrew	And bottom line, we appreciate everyone's feedback because even though we're just doing this as really an excuse to just hang out and talk about watches, it's kind of important to us, like really important to us that we're producing something that y'all want to listen to and you enjoy.
Everett	Right, right. And I think one of the things that we like about doing this is that we've got the ability to learn even more.
Andrew	uh about this thing we love so yeah so you know as we do as we as we do we've picked some watches for you guys to spend your hard-earned pesos on or that we'll spend our hard-earned pesos on or that we may or that we maybe already have uh no i didn't pick any that i already have i didn't order it today oh it's it i just didn't well let's start with that anyway so a couple examples of the style that we're talking about so i'll start first Racing chronograph example, the Seiko SSB031. And it's just beautiful. It comes in at $135.43 on Amazon right now. $130 smackaroos. Yeah. $136. Well, $135. It's under 50 cents. We'll round down.
Everett	$135 for a lovely racing chronograph. It's perfectly sized. 40 and 20. 40 and 20?
Andrew	You heard it here. Every picture, video, everything I've seen of it. I'm just I'm smitten, completely smitten by it. I'm purchasing one this week. They're just they're just great. I love the way they look. They've got just a great a great face to them. Great shine on it. I'm just I'm a little bit Twitter pated when I'm trying to talk about it, so I can't get a whole lot of thought out of here right now. But bottom line is. It's so good. It's good. It's good. A little drooly. It's good. It is good. I've I've wanted to add a chronograph to my to my collection for a while and I've I've seen a bunch and none have really stood out and this is one that when I'm perusing through and and looking and kind of just weaving my way through the internet and I came across this and I know I'd seen it before but this time when I saw it it just it clicked and it's I wonder where you heard about it that was probably you is it possible that I told you about it when we talked about I don't remember what episode that was in but I tried to talk you into it at the time and you were like I want the I do. I still want the Neo 70s, but whatever, whatever spark connection that needed to happen happened. I fed you an earworm. And it, well, it took hold and it's planted its seed.
Everett	Such a good, you know, I think my favorite thing about that watch is, uh, we've, I always forget to do this. Let's pull it up so we can look at it, even though you can't look at it. I mean, you could look at it.
Andrew	You can, unless you're driving, then don't do it.
Everett	So I think my favorite thing about this thing is the, um ion plated that's i don't know if it's ion plated it looks ion plated it's it's got such a cool shine to it it almost looks like ceramic it or it almost looks like it's internal and the crystal surrounds everything all right yeah yeah you know i wonder if that's the picture or you know i wonder i haven't seen one of these now this is i say i'm gonna say obviously a speedmaster homage i don't know that it is obviously a speedmaster homage but that's the way that's the way it reads to me um without being without directly aping anything it just screams speedmaster to me but but in some ways it's got a lot of of daytona to it too so um really it's seiko's own thing yeah beautiful launch mecha quartz yep which i'm excited to give give a run on give it a try yeah i mean do we between the two of us do we have any mecha quartz i don't think we do Yeah. I mean, I, I've, I know I've handled them and the, you know, the action on them is so cool. Cause it feels like a, a mechanical chronograph. It's got that hammer pull to it, but it's not, but it's not. Yeah. Uh, this, I think this is just a fantastic watch. You know what episode, what, this is one of my three for 600 watches. Is it, this was one of my three for 600 watches. Yeah, that's right. And I think it's a great choice still. If you're looking for, I'll have to go back.
Andrew	I don't remember that.
Everett	an entry level Seiko. I think this is such a great entry level chrono. I love it for that price. I mean, this was 120 bucks on Jomashop. They're out of stock, but that's a sick watch, dude. And the size, you know, it looks like it's going to be a beast. And there are other watches in the SSB line that are beasts. Yes. This one is not 40 millimeters. Killer size for this.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	Perfect. I'm excited for it. Yeah. And you have not ordered it yet. I'm feeling a little disappointed.
Andrew	I'm pretty confident I will have it by the time we record next. Maybe not, because we're going to record in a couple days. Right. But if it weren't tomorrow, it might be here Saturday, so maybe, yeah.
Everett	All right, man. I'm stoked. Maybe by the first of the year, though. Yeah. What you got up? You know, my first one, I actually sort of, there's a number of watches that I went back and forth on. I really like some of the watches coming out of Stratton Watch Company. um they make they make killer watches there's another company and i'm not gonna i'm gonna mess up the name but vratislavia i think is how you say that it's v-r-a-t-i-s vratislavia i think it's the name of it uh they're making a bunch of killer watches so there was several of these companies smaller companies but with a real racing inspired emphasis uh that had options ultimately i went with a totally different company I went with Gakota, or Watch Gecko. Gakota, I think, is their brand of watches. Their C-01 Diver is, to me, an absolutely killer choice. When you look at this thing, there's absolutely no doubt about it, this is a racing watch. And I'll tell you, this is an homage to one of my very favorite racing watches of all time, the Heuer Camaro, which is one of the more rare Heuer watches. This was a watch that was only made for four years. And if you look at this, you will know what a Heuer Camaro looks like because they look very, very similar. But that cushion case, square-ish, not Monaco square. But close. But square-ish. The whole thing, I think, is super elegant. I love the way the lugs sort of abruptly project from the case. The transitions are both angular and harsh and also really soft. soft and smooth and they work together. It looks like it's just sort of stuff jammed together and then as it comes together it's really organic and beautiful. Love this watch. Dakota is such a weird brand. They don't come up a lot. They make stunning watches. So many other watches are fantastic but for whatever reason it feels like they don't come up as much as I think they should. This is another Mecca quartz watch. Caliber 64 is I think what they call it. I'm not sure that's the same name, but this is the Seiko 64 Mecaquartz movement. These all come on leather. They come on Gakota's own rally strap, which Gakota makes phenomenal straps. I love this watch, man. I love the colors, bunch of different colors. I probably am slightly inclined to the all black, OG all black on silver case.
Andrew	That one doesn't do it for me. The white with the black sub dials really
Everett	really stood out to me the panda yeah you know and they've got some cool 70s coloring they've got a silver blue and red they've got a silver and orange a panda they've also got a black uh a pvd that looks cool was red accents these are all coming in right around 380 400 bucks or so i i think it's killer i i think you could do a lot worse than one of these oh absolutely Uh, something that doesn't come up very often. Uh, I'd be really happy with one of these super LumiNova all around.
Andrew	And talk about a unique watch to add to your collection. Nevermind that it's a racing chronograph, but just, uh, almost a one-off type watch that you don't see. You're definitely not going to bump into anybody else wearing one.
Everett	Not one of these. Yeah, certainly. I was not, I'm not one of the Camaro side because there was only like a few thousand of them made. Those are all in vaults. You know, they pop up every once in a while. Analog shift have one not too long ago, a Camaro. And they're not a ton of money because it's not this very well-known watch. So, I mean, if it's something you really wanted, I think you could get a hold of one. I feel like I really wanted one. I'm not prepared right now to drop the money because it's not going to be cheap. Probably 5,000 bucks.
Andrew	This is a much more affordable option that will allow you to buy more watches. Because if you buy that watch, you might be You might have your cards confiscated.
Everett	Well, my wife's going to divorce me and then I'll lose like half of our income too. So yeah, child support. It'll be my last watch.
Andrew	Yeah. So you better love it.
Everett	All right. What's next for you, man? Oh, next up. I know what it is because you already told me.
Andrew	The EMG Horizon chronograph. Killing it. These guys. Coming in at $350 and they are, they're Beautiful. I mean, they are a Monaco homage. But man, they they're again with that really square case, very, very abrupt, sharp edges. I mean, it looks like it probably wouldn't even be OSHA approved with how sharp those square edges are. The lugs transition kind of soft out of there. They're not. They're flush with the top of the case, so they're not just like bars sticking out of it i think they did a really good job building that out the rectangular pushers for the the rectangular pushers for the chronograph uh it's just a it's a great looking watch and it's still available right oh yeah yeah i think these are still pre-order yeah you know they've got some great colorways too these guys emg eric derrick and ed i think eric is in detroit maybe is that right
Everett	I don't remember where they're all located. Eric's here, Derek's in Scotland, Ed is in Hong Kong, aka HKEd. Ed's in Hong Kong. These guys make some of the coolest watches you can buy. Yeah. The Nemo, this watch, you know, even their... They've got two race or two other chronographs.
Andrew	One is a racing chronograph that isn't available anymore and they're just They're making just beautiful watches.
Everett	Yeah. That DL 63, I think is the one you're talking about. Gorgeous watch. So, uh, these guys make super cool watches. You know, they small order stuff. They're a tiny company. Um, but I, I think in terms of cool folks in the, in the gotta be in the no watch game, this is one of the coolest companies out there. I've talked to, I've talked to Eric a couple of times online and good guys too. You know, we've, we've, you and I both, I think I've had conversations with Ed at this point. I've never, I've never talked to Derek, um, but, but cool company, super good watches. And I love this thing. You know, I don't know when, uh, two broke watch snobs talked about this. I think they were reluctant to call it a, a Monaco homage. It almost seemed like they, they felt like that would be selling it short and maybe that's the case, but it's so clearly a Monaco homage that, you know, without directly aping the Monaco. I don't, I don't understand why that's problematic. I mean, it's not problematic for me.
Andrew	I don't know. Maybe it's derogatory. I wouldn't think so. I mean, they, they took a, they took a known quantity and gave us their, their spin on it with that flavor still infused into the, into a really beautiful watch that they're putting out.
Everett	Well, you know, I think Kaz wrote that review and I think his point was this is more than It's more than just a Monaco homage.
Andrew	And I think that's true. Oh, yeah. I think that's right. It's definitely more than an homage watch, but it's still aesthetically a very similar design.
Everett	You know, the details on this thing blow my mind. Those markers, those textured markers. I mean, really, there's so much going on here.
Andrew	Really cool watch. Yeah. One that I would be excited to, excited to put my hands on.
Everett	And at $350, it's not going to hurt. It's not going to hurt you.
Andrew	No. Good choice, man. What have you got up next? I'm excited about it.
Everett	Yeah. So my last one, this is a Seiko Giugiaro? Giovanni? Giovanni? No. Oh. So Seiko has a sort of running collaboration with, I think it's Giugiaro Design, which is a, I'm guessing Italian design house, but famously Seiko Giugiaro designed that Ridley watch. Yeah. Or Ripley watch. Yeah. From aliens. You know, this is the sort of asymmetrical watch with the big chronograph pushers in a bar on the side of it. Famous watch. This is not that watch. No. This is a different watch. It's better. Yeah. I don't know. Different. So this is the SCE-D057. This is a limited edition for motorcycle watch. I've pulled this up on Seiya Japan, which is a cool, if you like JDM watches, Seiya is such a great place. They've got always just sexy, cool Seiko stuff and other brands too. Citizen and cool Grand Seiko shit, if you like that. And really who doesn't like Grand Seiko?
Andrew	I don't know the person who doesn't. Grand Seiko is great. I don't want to know the person who doesn't.
Everett	So yeah, this watch is super duper interesting. It's canted. 15 degrees, right? 15 degrees. uh you know clockwise left to right yeah 15 degree clockwise can't and and actually the crystal is got a five percent lift on the crown side on the right side and it's designed for motorcycle riders so when your hands are on a motorcycle a motorcycle handlebars supposedly it's a slightly easier to read now it wouldn't be for you no as a southpaw it would be harder to read much 50 degrees worse yeah at least
Andrew	But when your hands are in that position, you're looking dead on it. You're not having to adjust as you're writing. I mean, it's such a cool innovation for such a specific market.
Everett	And it's beautiful. I mean, it's quirky. It's got these orange plastic pushers. It's got that tiny little crown that I'm not a huge fan of that tiny little crown. I'm sure that's a fingertip buster. It's got a little cutout underneath. to get in there, but I'm sure it's still a pain in the ass. So if you're going to criticize the watch, that's probably the biggest, the easiest place. It's a blasted finish, a bead blasted finish, integrated bracelet, you know, which some people are just never going to buy integrated bracelets. It looks to me like you could probably get a regular strap in there. It's not integrated to the extent you can't get another strap in there, but certainly a hooded lugs on this thing. I love it, man.
Andrew	example of a sexy watch.
Everett	Sexy watch. Yeah, that's right. And, and the bracelet's not, it's unique. It's unique. That's right. It's not, it's not a run of the mill bracelet. It's got some style to it. Uh, that's, that's different than, than what you, what you see. Uh, I really dig it. I really dig it. It looks like it's probably a pain in the ass to size, you know, the way the links are. And I don't know, you never know until you get your hands on it. I bet this thing's a pain in the ass though.
Andrew	Worth it. if you're riding motorcycles with frequency and or if you just want to look cool yeah yeah and i do want to look cool i would look uncool wearing it it's a lifetime goal of mine to look cool once just once we could maybe make that happen all right i can't promise you anything but we can try uh yeah this has a hardlex crystal you you know 7t12 movement i think 7t12 is just a
Everett	like kind of a BS quartz movement from Seiko. They're using it on some of these reissues. Uh, you know, so, so the movement could be better. The crystal could be better. It's 279 bucks. You're not going to pay a ton of money for this.
Andrew	You're paying for the design. You're paying for the novelty. Yeah, that's right.
Everett	Uh, it's, it's a little big 43 millimeters, which for me is a little big.
Andrew	That's a pretty standard chronograph size though.
Everett	Yeah, I guess so. You know, I don't know if this can be true. It says it's a 43 millimeter east-west uh dimension and it's got a 40.8 lug to lug dimension i'm skeptical of that i don't know that it could be that doesn't look right now i don't i'm skeptical of that so i wonder if it's actually a 40 a 40 millimeter and a 43 millimeter um you know say is pretty good about their dimension so who who knows but i'm skeptical of that of that reading i think that's a typo when you look at the watch it's a it's not ovular
Andrew	Right. In the wrong way.
Everett	Yeah. Uh, you know, it's got an 11 millimeter, millimeter thickness, you know, with the, I don't know if that's at the top of the, of the slant or, or at the bottom. It doesn't matter. It doesn't look to me like it's going to be obtrusively thick. So a really cool watch. It's obviously sports watch. So you're not going to wear it with the tuxedo. No, I mean, you could James Bond would, you know, he might, but yeah, that's it. I mean, it's really cool. Watch different. Uh, I think if you want a different watch, you could do a lot worse than this. Uh, it, it reminds me of, you know, some of these designs from, uh, Oh, what's the name of the company that's making all the super cool driving watches? Uh, Autodromo. Autodromo. They make the Group B and it not, not that it looks anything like anything they've created, but it just seems like a style that might come out of that house. So love it. Uh, a little bit different, certainly a little bit higher design than some of the watches we talk about. We, we talk about, I think a lot of just very clean, classic watches. This is different than that. Certainly out of the norm. Out of the norm, yeah. That's it. That's all of our watches, I think. Yeah. That's all the watches you'll ever need.
Andrew	Yeah, we've come to the end. This is the end.
Everett	This is the last episode. So before we get into other stuff, I know we have a correction. Yep. From our Field Watch episode. uh you know we we gave the caveat when we started we're not experts in this stuff and we're gonna make mistakes the and we made this was a mistake that was honest though it's an honest mistake so we got a comment from uh one of our followers uh and i guess friend of the show this is a fella i i don't know what his actual name is and i don't need to read it but his his instagram name is danc21cy He is a, a, a well-known military watch collector. He was actually on two broke watch snobs. He did an episode and I'm, I'm not sure which episode it was. I think it was back in the eighties. Um, did, did a segment with them on, on history of military watches in particular British military watches. He's a very, very, very knowledgeable collector of military watches. And he had some comments for us and it was a mistake. It was a mistake. Forgive me. But when I was talking about Vietnam era watches, the G-10 watch, um, referred to it as, as a G-10 watch. Now G-10 obviously is shorthand for the form G-10, which is the form that soldiers filled out to get their NATO straps or, or perhaps their watches, military issue watches. And later G-10 is, uh, a watch that was released by CWC, but not until the eighties. I was referring to W10, which was a design specification going back to Vietnam. I made the mistake a number of times. So if you're listening to that, but gosh, this guy ever, it's an idiot asshole. You're totally right. I am an idiot asshole, but I just said the wrong term. So correction. Dan says G10 is a British military term. They wouldn't have gone to Vietnam. Uh, watches in Vietnam or Benruss Timex Hamilton for the general service watches. Specialist watches tended to be not to be serialized due to the nature of some of the Vietnam operations. NSN and issue markings would be key indicators of nationality of combatants to the enemy forces, so they removed them. And he's talking, I think, in particular here to some of the Seiko watches that were issued to U.S. forces who were, you know, sort of undercover and trying not to get found out to be U.S. forces. So he says, he continues, so specs for W10 watches came in during the 60s, but no watch has G10 on the case back. G10 is a colloquial term as it comes from G1098, which is the code for the list of personal, personal issued items to soldiers in the British army. The actual watches are serialized either W10, 055, 6BB, and so on. So good comment. Thanks, Dan. Thanks for listening. And it was a pleasure to talk with you and yeah, feel free to, Let us know anytime we screw this stuff up, because we're going to screw stuff up. Certainly are. On to other things we like. I know you have a fun one. I do.
Andrew	I've been on a bourbon kick as of late. And one of my absolute favorites.
Everett	Like as in the last 10 years?
Andrew	Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's been a while. One of my favorites currently is W.L. Weller. And they've got a couple, a couple that they come out with, but their special reserve comes in in Oregon at least at like 27, 28 bucks. And it is absolutely terrific. It's a weeded bourbon whiskey made by Buffalo Trace. And it's got low to mid 90 ratings on any of the review or advocate or websites of that of that ilk. And it is fair to call it Pappy Van Winkle's cheaper cousin. Whoa. maybe younger brother but more likely cheaper cousin it is to break it down into way too simple of terms it's basically papi that doesn't make the cut i see so what we're looking at is like 26 28 a bottle for this special reserve the green label okay for an absolutely everyday drinkable because it's not expensive so you're not gonna feel bad about drinking it every day delicious weeded Bourbon whiskey.
Everett	I'm looking at the green label W.O. Weller for 160 bucks here. I don't know where from. And 199. Is it is it possible that it's you bought a bottle for 27 bucks? I buy it pretty regularly. And we go back to that place. Yeah, the cheapest I'm finding online is 179.
Andrew	I don't have an answer for you.
Everett	OK, well, we'll try to find this.
Andrew	I also tried their antique variety recently. OK. also very good and it was only about a dollar maybe two dollars more than uh than the one that i was buying and it is just terrific so killer stuff since it's still holiday season it's it's whiskey drinking season in the cold uh head down next time you're at the liquor store take a look around for it it's some places it's easier to find than others a lot of the a lot of the places that i that i've read about it online people say they can never find it they have to go to secondary markets to be able to buy it It's pretty pretty available in the Willamette Valley. So worth looking into for a nice treat because that that we did that we did bourbon whiskey is quite a bit smoother than than using I mean any of the other grains that can be used for it. And it's it's terrific. It's it's absolutely worth it. I enjoy it. And as somebody who likes to drink whiskey it's one that I could drink I could go to every day.
Everett	Do you have some at the house? No, otherwise I would have brought it. Yeah, we'll have to try that. Your description of it being the stepchild of Pappy Van Winkle?
Andrew	Not stepchild. It's a relation. It's a blood relative.
Everett	That gets me excited.
Andrew	That's why I say cheaper cousin, maybe.
Everett	Did I ever tell you about the time I was at the JAG school in Virginia and we were out with a fella, I won't say his name. We had gone out with a fella in my JAG school class and he's a loud mouth, a loud mouth fella. Nice guy. I like him. Went to Ole Miss. He's just a good guy. You know, good old Southern boy, but kind of kind of a talker, a little bit of a blowhard. And he's ordering. There's about four of us at the time sort of sitting around and he ordered a round of Pappy. Whoa. We're like, shit, dude. Cool. Thanks. Thanks. And then he orders another one. Yikes. I'm in. And then he orders another one. I want to know this guy. And so, you know, we're all thinking, gosh, this is this is not cheap, but If you want to do that, that's great. He gets pretty drunk at some point. It's actually really cool. I think it's called the Whiskey Jug. Really cool bar. And then he says, all right, let's split the check. Well, no. So he says, I'm going to call an Uber because I'm getting pretty lit, and calls an Uber, takes off, and about 20 minutes later, the server comes up to us, and they're like, where'd that guy go? Where'd the pappy guy go? And he totally walked on his bill, and we wound up having to pay. We split it four ways.
Andrew	Still wasn't cheap. Motherfucker. Well played.
Everett	He was pretty embarrassed the next day because he was trashed. He paid us back, but son of a bitch. Well played. Because it's not something I order on a regular basis. I think it was like 20 bucks a glass or 30 bucks a glass or something like that.
Andrew	It might have been.
Everett	It's hard to find. I don't remember how much it was. We split it four ways, like I said, but you bastard. Yeah. That's well played. I'm excited. Let's get a bottle and we'll drink it on the show one of these days.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	If we can indeed find it for 27 bucks.
Andrew	We'll find it. All right. It's almost certainly at the liquor store down the street. Let's do it.
Everett	So I've got just one, just one thing. This is a show, you know, you and I have talked about this off the air a couple of times, but a show that's available on Netflix. I'm not sure if it's a Netflix original, it might be, but a show called The Last Kingdom. It is original, I think. This is a show that had popped up in my sort of suggested feed a number of times. And, um, it's the aesthetic is very similar to a show that we have started and not finished called Vikings that I just couldn't get into. And so when the show, yeah, I couldn't get into it. Vikings. I love that show. I know you do. I know you do Billy Bob. Uh, you know, we just couldn't get into it for whatever reason. Uh, and so when the show popped up, This the last kingdom. I yeah, it's another Vikings and it looks very much. I mean the aesthetic is very similar They're obviously Vikings. Let's start there. But you know just sort of this dark Norseman gritty, you know, whatever period drama period drama With Vikings, right? How much variety is there gonna be? well, I think one night we just randomly started it and within 20 minutes of this thing being on, both my wife and I, and my wife is not a big blood, guts and boobs, uh, kind of person. She doesn't, it's not her, her deal. Um, weird. Uh, you know, cause I think those things are okay.
Andrew	Those are the best.
Everett	That's why I watched game of Thrones. Um, but so, so that's not really her thing, but I think within 20 minutes, both of us were just engrossed and we, you know, it's like that episode of Portlandia where they're watching Battlestar Galactic. Yeah. You know, it's like three o'clock in the morning and we're losing our jobs. But it's one more episode. We probably watched all three seasons that are available now in, you know, maybe two weeks, a week and a half, two weeks.
Andrew	It's a bingeable show. Totally. You know what show I started that I expected to be similar? Another Netflix show called Norseman.
Everett	How'd it started it?
Andrew	It's a comedy, but like a weird kind of comedy. So I started it expecting it to be like Last Kingdom or like or like Vikings. Sure. it wasn't i was i i was so taken aback and unprepared for it that i watched about 10 minutes and i was like yeah no i can't watch this so i gotta go back and try it again because it's similar feel but it's it's a comedy it's a comedy but is it tongue-in-cheek or is it just funny tongue-in-cheek okay uh kind of like a like a almost like a monty python and the quest for the holy grail feel where sure if if you weren't prepped for it you'd be like this is the worst fucking King Arthur movie I've ever seen. What is happening? But then when you realize it's scared of a rabbit. Exactly. Then you realize it's like it's deliberate. It becomes hysterical. So I got to I got to start over with that lens and see how it is.
Everett	But I can't believe you like Vikings. You know, it's not that I didn't like it because we liked it. I just couldn't. I just didn't get the bug the way you get with some shows.
Andrew	You know, it got me though. Some shows are like that, like Peaky Blinders. You gotta finish the whole first season before you catch the bug.
Everett	Right, and that's another one you've told me to go back and finish and I haven't.
Andrew	But then once you finish the first season, you never want it to end. You just have to have to trudge power through a full season.
Everett	What was the show with Steve Buscemi? Boardwalk Empire.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	Gosh, that one. That was another one. Just we started and couldn't stop it. You know, and unfortunately, we started it like right before the second to last season. So then we did the You gotta wait thing, which I almost prefer to wait until a series is done to start it. So anyway, we're getting along in the tooth here. The Last Kingdom, really good TV. Phenomenal. I totally recommend it. You know, there's a historical context. It's a fictional show, but there's a historical context to it that is That's pretty neat, you know, you learn this history and I don't think it's gonna gonna track history directly. But well, no, I mean, it's a story of Norse legends, they don't even know for sure if these fellas were real for the most part Well, you know, there's the the stories actually follows really closely this the famous King Alfred the Great who was the first king of the Anglo-Saxons So this you know, one of the greatest Britons of all time. So this real person who's who's important and Part of the history so pretty neat Definitely. What more do we got? Are we done? For today. All right. Shout out to all the families out there that have finished up their Christmas. Um, yeah, looking forward to, uh, you know, this is our episode nine. So we're, we're moving right along, humming right along. Haven't missed a week. We thought we might miss this week. We, we did. Yeah, I did. We, we've got, we've got a couple of episodes banked for, for a future. We know we're going to have to take some time off coming up. So. We thought we were going to have to dig into the bank, but here we are recording nonetheless. So, bringing you guys the goods. Hope you guys are enjoying it. Please keep tuning in. If you know someone who you think might like us, like our product or the show we're putting out, let them know.
Unknown	And that's it.
Everett	Happy New Year. It'll be the new year when we talk again. Yeah, it will be. 2019, we're on the way. Coming in. This is the last show of 2018. It is.
Andrew	Congratulations.
Everett	We made it. All right, folks. Thank you for joining us for this episode of 40 in 20. Don't forget to tune back in next Thursday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Andrew	Buh-bye.
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