Episode 81 - Thicc Watches

Published on Wed, 13 May 2020 23:00:00 -0700

Synopsis

The hosts discuss the importance of watch case thickness and whether it really matters in how a watch wears. They reference a forum post where someone measured the total circumference of various watches on their wrist and found little correlation between stated case thickness and how thick the watch actually wore. They explore various factors that contribute to a watch's perceived thickness like case shape, lug design, and complications. They conclude that true thinness is often achieved through expensive in-house engineering rather than outsourcing to third-party manufacturers. The hosts also discuss upcoming events like a potential heavyweight boxing match between strongmen rivals and new book/TV show interests.

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Andrew	Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. This is the 40 in 20 podcast with your host, Andrew, and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett	I'm super. I'm so frustrated. I'm so done with COVID, man. Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew	I'm feeling the same way.
Everett	I'm ready to eradicate this sumbitch. Uh, yeah, I mean, you know, here we are, here we are just enjoying life and recording and drinking. I'm drinking, uh, the whole bottle, the whole bottle. I'm drinking this terrible Irish whiskey called proper 12.
Andrew	This is, I've never even seen that bottle before.
Everett	This is a Irish whiskey that is labeled by, marketed by Conor McGregor. Oh. And, you know, it's Irish whiskey, right? Which isn't really my jam anyway.
Andrew	In fairness, Irish whiskey is sort of Irish whiskey. Yeah, right. Like Bushmills and Jameson. I understand there's like a Protestant Catholic kind of dispute there between the two, but they're about the same grade.
Everett	Yeah. And, you know, I think that if you're into it, you might you might have some Irish whiskey opinions or whatever. But by and large, you're you're you're you nailed it.
Andrew	You're getting some sweetness. You're getting some hot. That's what you want.
Everett	But but here we are. We're drinking whiskey. You're drinking beer. We're recording. We're talking about watches.
Andrew	And I'm drinking an Enkasi variety pack that just got released. Oh, interesting. And this is a total domination Mount Hood. So they did a play on total domination to make it a Northwest IPA. Oh, nice. It's called Mount Hood and it is very good. 81 IBUs, 6.7% ABV. Super dark hoppy flavors like berry and like earthy. I like it. Yeah, I like that. Kind of blueberry and blackberry flavors in there. Yeah.
Everett	Sweet. So that's what I'm working on. Total Domination's good. Total Domination's good. And Nikazi does a good job with just sort of sticking with what they're good at and doing it in different ways. I had their peach made in the shade the other day, which is kind of like a summer pale ale or summer IPA, I think is what they call it. And I was like, yeah, this is good. This is a nice sort of variation on a beer that I know very well.
Andrew	I think the beer that they did best, my favorite beer that's ever come out of their brewery is Lux. They did a German series and it was, I don't remember how long ago it was, but they had a German Pils that was phenomenal. Pilsners are typically like a Pilsner is a Pilsner. Yeah, a little bit boring, but it was so good is the best thing that's ever come out of their brewery. And it was this weird, like limited duration run that they did that was terribly marketed and was hearing gone in a flash.
Everett	You know, that's how the that's how the really cool beers are sometimes. They're they're weird and different and they they don't get the traction that they maybe deserve. There's a brewery, I don't even know where the brewery is. You might know. Noli? Noli Brewery?
Andrew	N-O-L-I?
Everett	I'm unfamiliar. I think it's Noli. They made a few years back, well, this has been, oh gosh, I think I was a baby lawyer when I was still bartending at night when this beer came out. So lawyer during the day, bartender at night when this beer came out. And they made a Hefe Pils, which was sort of a a wheat, a cereal grain slash wheat pilsner. It's one of my favorite beers that's ever existed, but they only did a draft run of this and they just did it in a single season. And I would tell people about this beer, they say, Oh, anything interesting? I said, Oh yeah, I've got this Nolai beer, this Nolai Hefe Pils, and it tastes like cereal grains. And people would be like, that sounds bad. It's not, it's phenomenal.
Andrew	Super, super malty beers can be really, really good. I've seen these cans before. They're out of Spokane. Their branding is just really bad in that you can't tell that No Lie is the brand name.
Everett	Oh, yeah, sure.
Andrew	It's terrible, terrible branding on their cans. It's like their brand name is just like a really small script on the angled part of a 12 ounce can. So it's like what? quarter, two thirds inch. Yeah. Like two thirds inch of script. And it's, it's really nondescript font. The, the branding is all in the name of the beer, which the, the logos are cool. The design is really cool in all the cans, but the, you can't tell what, what brand it is.
Everett	And then you don't, and then you don't get any sort of relationship with the, with the brand. So. Uh, anyway, yeah, sort of flash in the pan, but it, they made that really special beer that, that heffa pills, which also a pilsner. That's why, that's what, what brought it to mind, but intrigued many, many years ago. And I don't think you could find that stuff.
Andrew	We'll see. I found a 10 year old can of bush light under a cooler rack one time. Yeah. And I asked them if I could have it and they were like, yeah, you can have that. And I brought it back to the office and kept it cold and we drank it on a Friday and It still tasted like bush light, but for the bottom, probably ounce of that 12 ounce can, it was kind of sedimenty, but the rest of it tasted like bush light. It was amazing.
Everett	You know, I bet if you had turned it upside down and if you had just turned the can upside down for a few hours. Oh, yeah. You wouldn't have even noticed.
Andrew	Yeah. That's funny. So it happens. You keep beer cold and dark. It stays good. An IPA would not have retained its flavor. What I found is IPAs, about six months after their expiration date, you lose a lot of the acidity in the hops. It just kind of mellows out and then it drinks a lot more like a pale, but about everything else, you're not losing anything six to 12 months after its expiration.
Everett	Well, and anything sort of small batch brewed and not sort of heavily filtered, you know, or even brewed at, you know, ale temperatures, anything like that, you're going to have just a lot more solids in the beer too. And that, the separation of those solids is gonna alter the flavor.
Andrew	So we're talking about watches. A little bit. Can I talk about something first? We got some things to talk about first. You have three things to talk about first.
Everett	At least two.
Andrew	Three. All right, go. Do it. You have three.
Everett	I just have the one. You want me to go first because I have more things than you. Yeah. Like Christmas presents. You have more presents. You open first.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	And we can't alternate. I got a new, I got a new watch. A new watch. I got a new watch. So, so first I'm staring at a, uh, at a Casio, a Casio watch. Okay. A watch by the Casio company. So this is an F84W. I got a Casio F84W and you may say, everyone What's a Casio F-84W? A Casio F-84W is an F91W. Which is a little different. It's just a little different. So as we know, the F91W is this ubiquitous. I think it probably is the number one selling watch in the world every year, year in, year out. I'm guessing at that. I don't know that for sure, but that would be my guess. I'm going to look right now. The F-84W is the same module, very similar aesthetically, a little bit more sort of a trapezoidal case, but it is essentially an F-91W that's made for the Japanese domestic markets. It's got a lug, actual lugs on this versus the F-91, which has sort of hooded lugs. It's probably just a touch smaller, maybe just a fraction of a millimeter smaller, and the band is significantly smaller. It's a very steeply tapering band. I have calipers, but I'm not going to get them out. I'm guessing that it's about 12 millimeters, maybe 11 millimeters at the tapered portion.
Andrew	So this on the Wikipedia is showing me that it's just a variant of the F91, but it's similar to the 1987. variety with lugs instead of a hooded lug.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	Yeah, that's right. Yeah.
Everett	It's cool, man.
Andrew	It also hasn't been used in as many terror attacks.
Everett	Right. I think that it is slightly more water resistant. I think that it's slightly more water resistant, although you wouldn't know that by looking at it, but based on my reading, it's slightly more water resistant and it's just different. I just, I honestly just got it. Cause it's different. In fact, there's a little story. I, my kids wanted watches and I had showed West a picture of the F 91. He was like, yeah, that's cool. I want it. Uh, my son West seven-year-old son and Betty had picked a small, a diminutive Casio 300 courts. And so I bought Betty hers and then I started looking at F-91s and just kind of thinking about it and I found this F-84 and so I ordered the F-84 for him. And, um, as, as I was sitting there, I was like, you know, that's pretty cool. That F-84 is pretty cool. Maybe I just order him an F-91 because he's going to lose this thing in like, I give, I was going to give him 30 days, Andrew. Uh, you know, he's going to lose it very quickly and, and that's okay. And I want that to be okay. I don't want that to be a big deal, right? It's a $9 watch. That's right. That's right. So, um, I don't want him to think it's okay to lose it, but I also, when he actually does lose it because he's bound to, I don't want it to be a big deal. Same with Betty's, same with Betty's watch. Hers was, I think, 13. So spend a little bit more on her.
Andrew	That's getting expensive. Hey, press the right button on your Casio and hold it for three seconds.
Everett	Okay. It says Casio. Isn't that cool? That is cool. I thought something fucking cool was going to happen. I mean, that is cool.
Andrew	What do you mean? Well, what else could have happened on a black and white screen? Oh, I don't know. I don't know. Like it would have read like 80085 across the screen. Come on. Exactly. That's what I thought was going to happen. That'd be really cool. Yeah, I'm going to make a counterfeit Casio module, and that's what it's going to do. The only difference is going to be that it says 80085 rather than Casio.
Everett	You know, I bet if you were smart enough, you could hack this to do that instead of saying Casio to say boobs. But I'm not smart enough to do that. You're not certainly. So, yeah, I got this. I got this new Casio. It's an F-84W. It's neat. It's fun. It's different. I'm going to stick it on a NATO. I haven't picked the NATO for it. I think just a straight black. I've got a straight black NATO because it came on the other watch that I got today. Oh, it's a cheapy black NATO that came on this watch. I might put that on the F-84. I haven't decided. I think I might want to go like uber high end on my NATO for this. I think I might do like a... I don't know.
Andrew	I feel like the Omega Speedy NATO would be perfect on that.
Everett	I I'm thinking maybe not that high end, but I'm thinking like $50 NATO for this thing. I like it. I haven't I haven't decided what I want it to be thin. I'm Blue Shark has their premium ultra super duper thin. I can't remember what the I think I might do that. Something like that.
Andrew	But I want to do the moose strap goes would probably be really nice on that.
Everett	I've got a Moose Strap Code. They're thin, they're thin premium is pretty nice too. So that's also an option. Yeah, something like that though. I'm going to go, I'm sort of thinking I want it to be ridiculously expensive. Like my strap, the strap was four times as much as this watch.
Andrew	Yeah, because typically it's just the opposite.
Everett	Yeah, that's right.
Andrew	That's right. You know, we buy these nice watches and then put them on a cheapest NATO strap.
Everett	So the other watch I got, The other watch I got that came on the cheap Black Nato, which it's no longer on, is I got a Pulsar G10. We talked about it last week, right? We did. I got my Pulsar G10 in, and, Andrew, it's really neat.
Andrew	I believe you. I don't like the strap you have it on, though.
Everett	Well, you know, so I have it on that Perlon strap, which I know you don't like, and I don't really like them either, but it's so light and so small. I stuck it on. In fact, we're just talking about Moose Strap Co. I stuck it on Moose Strap Co. 's ultra premium. I can't remember what they call it, but they've got like a very nice high end. You got to get a look at it. Their sort of top of the line NATOs are next level high quality. They've got like stitched ends and.
Andrew	On Moose Strap Co.?
Everett	Yeah, that's right. What are they called? I don't know. You'll be able to see if you look at the options, it's like. Super duper uber high end, whatever, whatever the name is. So the premium stretch? No. What are their options? Premium plus? Maybe premium plus.
Andrew	So there's premium. Oh, hang on. Yeah, premium, slim and plus.
Everett	Yeah, I think it's the premium plus. The premium stretch looks pretty money. I put this thing. So I put this pulser on the premium plus. strap as soon as it came in. And I was like, you know, that's just too much strap for this watch because it's tiny. Is it? What's the size on it? I think it's like 36 and a half millimeters diameter. It's got sort of longish lugs. I don't know what the lug to lug is. I'm guessing 46, 45 or 46. So relatively, it's kind of a long watch. With that said, it's not objectively long at all.
Andrew	It's relatively long to the 36 though.
Everett	I mean, yes, that's right. It is paper thin. Oh my goodness. Paper thin. Um, it has fixed lugs, uh, fixed, fixed bars, lug retention bars. Um, I, I plugged in on that premium plus from Moose Strap Company and I was like, you know, this is just too much strap. So I, I got out this, um, purlon, this ULIT, uh, purlon that I don't really like and don't wear very much and stuck it in there and it was, It just felt like a better match. It felt like a better match to me because it's such a tiny diminutive watch, a light diminutive watch that I stuck it on this thing. And it was like, oh yeah, that's a closer fit. So I haven't decided what I'm going to do for strap long-term. The idea of this thing and getting this thing was because it's got fixed bars, I don't have to worry about putting a bracelet on it. I don't have to worry about putting leather on it. I'd probably just change the NATO every time I wear it.
Andrew	Yeah. Until you find the right one.
Everett	I don't even think I'm going to worry about the right one. There's no right one. I think when we're done here, I'm going to put it on Darren Zulu Alpha.
Andrew	I was thinking that would be a good fit for it.
Everett	Certainly, aesthetically, it's a good fit. Spiritually, it's a good fit. British military strap company, British military watch.
Andrew	And yours was an issue one, right? You've got the you've got a British issue 2013 like a 99-13.
Everett	That's right. Yeah, so it's a P38 or a yes 8845-99 and then the year code is 13. So British military issue 2013 manufacture. That's cool. It's neat dude. I really dig it. We'll get some pictures on the Instagram. Probably by the time you're hearing this you'll have already seen at least one or two pictures of it. Uh, it's fun. I think that I went on my run with this thing on today.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	What's the water resistance on them? It is not mentioned. Oh, it is. It is not referenced. So, um, nowhere does it, nowhere does it claim a figure. It does say on the back, quote unquote, water resist and water resistant. Uh, I have, I have. In my sort of meanderings, internet meanderings related to this watch, come to estimates of 30 meters, so a three atmosphere watch, that probably is accurate, maybe 15, 20, something like that. They're not advertising it. But in my conversations with Dan C, who we've had on the show before and who we're big, huge fans of, he's like, look, dude, this is an issue watch. I've never seen one break. guys hump with this, they actually wear it. You know, unlike in the United States military, people actually do get issued these occasionally. Um, and, and they wear them right. Uh, and, and they're not breaking. He's like, it is what it is. You're, you know, it's, it's not a screw down crown. It's just a push pull crown. But I have, I just am not concerned about it at all. I'm probably going to lubricate the, the crown gaskets, lubricate the back gasket, and I'm just going to wear it. Yeah. Because worst case scenario, Andrew.
Andrew	Is you break a watch that was designed to be broken.
Everett	Yeah, that's right. Worst case scenario. You know, I think I can find movements for these. If I need to replace a movement, I just replace the movement. But yeah, so two new watches today.
Andrew	What a day.
Everett	This afternoon. What a day. I had four brand new watches sitting on the table today. What a day.
Andrew	I did not. I have bad watch news. I know. Tell me. My date wheel on my Mako is slipped. Hmm. I went to put it on today and adjust the day because the day is fine, but the date is not. And it gave me the crunchies.
Everett	I wonder if it's just I wonder if it's just lifted.
Andrew	That's what I think. So we're going to need to mask up. and sit down and crack this bitch open. But I think since we have it open, I'm going to we're going to wait. To fix it, and I'm going to start finding some Mako mod parts. Oh, wait, I know there's again. So so I'm thinking since since we're going to have it open, I know I know for sure that there are that there are bezel inserts that are available.
Everett	Yes.
Andrew	And I'm pretty confident we can find a new dial and hands because if we're going to have it open, we might as well. Right. If we're going to do this, let's let's do it all the way. You want to change the dial on it? If we're going to have it open, we might as well.
Everett	OK, OK.
Andrew	So I'm going to I'm going to go on the hunt for a dial and some new hands and a new bezel insert. And we're just going to go all the way. We fix this thing. How about a new bezel? Oh, yeah. I mean, One of the things I really like about the Mako, though, is that bezel. Mm hmm. I don't want I I just think the bezel, the bezel is so perfectly proportioned to the case. Did you call it a bezel? Yeah, I did. I think it's so perfectly proportioned to the case that I'm hesitant to change the bezel. But I'm going to do some I'm going to do some hunting around and see, because if we're going to crack it open, I'm not tired of the watch. I still love it. Yeah, but. I think it's probably time. Cool, man. Time to freshen it up. That's exciting. So we'll crack it open. I don't think it's it's not the movement. I think that I think it's just slipped for some reason. Or it's dirty because apparently people clean their watches. Well, but it's in Syria. I mean, it's it's been through. It's been insane. It's been in pools. It's been in. It's been a whole bunch of places. It wouldn't shock me. It doesn't get banged around, dropped, thrown. But there's obviously something wrong. You know, I think, yeah.
Everett	I mean, I think that that just, it just happens too with these watches. Sometimes these wheels slip. So yeah, that's A, exciting that you're now thinking about mods.
Andrew	I went to buy some mod stuff for my SNK to do a domed sapphire, polish it up, buy a new dial and hands. Everyone who's selling mod parts is basically not shipping. because their supply chains are a disaster. Yes, that's right. That's going to have to be put on hold until after COVID, which also means that an Amiga will be on hold until supply chains are back up and running.
Everett	Can we seracote your SNK?
Andrew	How would we do? I don't know how to seracote. I don't know. We'd have to send it to someone.
Everett	Then no. Okay.
Andrew	I'm not going to send it out. If I can't do it myself, I'm not going to do it. I would consider buying an SNK and sending it out to Cerakote because that'd be cool as shit.
Everett	Yeah. I'd like to do a Cerakote watch someday. The only thing about watch modding is I'm typically not super happy with the end results. I mean, it's fun. It's exciting. You kind of get to make whatever you want, but There's something about a branded watch that I like. I don't know. I haven't sorted these thoughts out. Maybe I'll just stop talking about it.
Andrew	I mean, the SNK is objectively better even without the domed sapphire that you've added. It's objectively better with the polish and brush that you've added.
Everett	I do like it a lot. Yeah.
Andrew	I do like it a lot. We were talking about it the other day. The SNK, when compared side by side to the mod that you've done, which is a relatively common mod, It looks like the SNK OEM is a kit watch that you get sent and are like, hey, finish it yourself.
Everett	It looks like this pulsar is what it looks like.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	Yeah. I actually don't mind the blasted finish on the SNK, but I'm pretty happy with the mod. That's the one mod that I feel good about. I'm glad I stopped with the case mods. I don't think I'd be happy if I went like full bore docks of hands or something on it, so I'm glad I stopped where I did. Yeah, I think so. I'm glad I did that. Do you want to talk about watches? Yeah, I guess. I mean, we've sort of been talking about watches, but we kind of have a topic, kind of.
Andrew	We can get into it, I guess.
Everett	So we're talking about that thick watch. With three Cs. That thick, thick watch. Yeah. We're talking about, uh, we're talking about case thickness today. Case thickness.
Andrew	What? Yes. Why? How? Does it matter? Does it not matter? Why does it occur? We're talking about them thickies.
Everett	Them thicky thicks.
Andrew	Yeah. With some meat on they bones.
Everett	We're going to get in trouble if we don't actually just talk about watches here in a second. Nah. Yeah. So we didn't really set each other with any limitations for how we were going to approach this. And I think we both approached this in fairly different places to get started. I think we ended up at similar places, but we found different stuff, which is fun, because sometimes we just find the same stuff when we go on these missions. And I think today we found really different stuff. And some of that was how we approached the research. Um, you know, I think that the, I think that the end result that we got to was the same in that maybe case thickness isn't what we thought it was.
Andrew	Yeah. Yeah. That was my biggest takeaway.
Everett	You know, I think your article or not your article, but your post is an interesting place to start off. I don't know. It's like sort of starting. the starting the movie with the last scene of the movie.
Andrew	Yeah, and then we'll circle back and tell the story. I think maybe, yeah. So we're gonna, we'll link to this in the show notes. Everett will, he's doing show notes this week. That's not true, you do show notes, you're the show note guy. Oh yeah, but you just volunteered, it doesn't matter. So this is a Watch You Seek forum thread. And I have not read anything beyond the initial thread or the initial post, okay?
Everett	So... Post is by Efritz. Efritz has been on WatchuSeek for 100 years and has posted like 9 billion posts.
Andrew	7089. Okay. Join date of June of 2013. So that's... Is that a... I mean, I don't math good. Right. That's more than a post a day.
Everett	Is that right? Is it perhaps perhaps he's he's he's one of the guys, though he's one of the guys who posts very regular or or or at least at some point was was posting very regularly.
Andrew	Yeah, that's three posts a day. So he's probably on some rampages, but that is neither here nor there. So it's from efforts. The thread is called case thickness. How much does it really matter?
Everett	It's the most important thing, right? Case thickness is prominence. You need to be able to put on a dress shirt, Andrew. Yeah, I have to.
Andrew	And we were talking about a watch. I don't remember what watch it was. And the thickness was like 15 millimeters, 15 and a half millimeters. And we were both poo-pooing it. We're like, well, no, that's not gonna work. It's just too thick.
Everett	The dimensions all seem perfect. And then we came to find out that they... I wish everybody could see your face when you said that.
Andrew	It didn't even occur to me that you could see my face.
Everett	That was fantastic. OK, carry on.
Andrew	We were poo-pooing this watch. We're shitting all over this watch, which by all other means, by all other measurements, is a watch that we really like. The design's there. The colors are right. The other dimensions are perfect. And we're just shitting all over it because of the case thickness. And then come to find out, they had just made an error on their website. And it was like a 13 millimeter.
Everett	What was that? Gosh, I don't remember. I think it was maybe, was it the Falcon, the Laurier Falcon?
Andrew	No, no, no. It was, uh. OK. It'll come to you. No, it won't. I'm going to have to, I'm going to go back through the thread real quick. But so what this, you read the article too. Let me search for this and you talk about the article.
Everett	So the skinny is here. Efforts takes a handful of watches. I think six or seven or eight watches. Six. One of those numbers. And they're sort of cool watches, right? He's got a Polyat Traveler 24 Chrono. He's got a Steinhardt Ocean Titanium 500. This Nivrel Coup de L'Assas. You like that?
Andrew	Those are made up words and sounds.
Everett	He's got a Laco. But I mean, this Genesis Seminar watch, a Hamilton Jazzmaster Automatic Chronograph. really sort of disparate thickness watches. The thinnest being the Genesis, the Navarro at 11.3, the Navarro comes in at 12.5, and what's the big one? The Laco at 15.8 millimeters. Yep. And what he does is he actually takes these watches and he puts them on his wrist like you do when you wear a watch. Like he wears the watch. Right. And then he takes a tape measure.
Andrew	Belgrano. The new Belgrano diver. That's what we're talking about. Oh. Continue. So he takes a soft tape and he measures the full circumference wrapped around his wrist as the watch is worn. And the results were interesting.
Everett	Yes.
Andrew	In that the dress watch was not the thinnest watch in total circumference around his wrist. It was, in fact, thicker than the Laco. There was a greater circumference than the Laco, though the Laco has a three millimeter thicker case.
Everett	And we're not talking about a huge difference. Less than less than a full millimeter. of difference, a full centimeter, less than a full centimeter difference in circumference for the list of six watches. But basically within one centimeter of circumference for these watches. So the thinnest, the Pole Yacht Traveler 24 Chrono at 13.7 millimeters height had a circumference of 21, whereas the thickest, the Jazzmaster, which is a beefy watch, 15.1 millimeters, 22.9 so oh about two centimeters almost two centimeters. Yeah. Yes. Yes, that's right But but you the results of this are all over the place. Yeah, it's a shotgun blast.
Andrew	Yeah It's not at all what you would expect So so what it comes down to is not just the case thickness or The dome of the sapphire But the lug length, the contour of the bezel, the way that the bracelet or strap interacts and flows off of that case, the way the lugs curve, all these things are- The lug to lug, everything factors in. All these things are super important in the way that watch rests on your wrist. And I think, we think that case thickness, though a component, is no longer the a significant measurement in and of itself. It is when it plays with the rest within the context of the watch is relevant, but it, it doesn't carry as much weight for me anymore as say the case diameter or the lug to lug.
Everett	Yeah, I mean, I'm going to temper, for myself anyway, I'm going to temper your statement. I think it's still important. And even sort of in going through this post, Mount Hood, the mountain in Oregon, the tall one, Mount Hood's impressive. When you see it, it's impressive. But it's not particularly tall. No. You know, it's not particularly tall.
Andrew	There's unnamed mountains in the Rockies taller than it.
Everett	Yes, yes. Mount Hood was notable because of its prominence. It's in a relatively low lying area. It's not in a vast high mountain range. You know, 40 miles west of Mount Hood, you're at sea level, right? Mount Hood's notable because of its prominence, right? And you see that with these watches too. You know, you see that with these watches he's testing. Some of these watches have a shorter diameter, but then you look at it and you can see it sort of pooching up from the wrist or a shorter circumference, but you can see its prominence. The prominence is still there and it's notable and aesthetically, there's a thing happening there. That is not captured by this test. Right. And so I thought this was an interesting place to start, because it's conclusive. It's conclusive. He, even Ephrath even, sort of makes some conclusions. And we'll leave you to read the post yourself, because we're not going to... I'm at least not going to ascribe to his findings. But it's interesting, right? The conversation is perhaps not what we thought it was. I think that's the more important takeaway from this from this post. So. Thoughts on that?
Andrew	I accidentally clicked on the Hightown Stars ad and I almost ordered stars. All right. No, I just I think this is an interesting place to begin our conversation, and I think I'm glad I found this article. I'm glad someone has taken the time to put watches on their wrist and measure them. Because only a weirdo would do that.
Everett	Yeah, that's right. And only a total fucking nerd would do that. And here we are talking about it. And God bless you, Everett, you total fucking nerd. Thank you. So I, you know, I did the thing we often do, which was sort of reach out to you guys via Instagram and said, hey, you know, what do you guys think about this? Do you have any thick watches you really like? And, you know, I'm always amazed at the breadth of responses we get to that. We always get watches, right? Because I say, hey, what's your favorite What's your favorite watch? But we get responses, too. We actually get people sort of communicating with us outside the prompt, which is fantastic.
Andrew	And they're always asking for a follow.
Everett	Right. Yeah, that does happen. One of the comments I got was from a good friend of ours and a good friend of the show's, but Nick Harris from Orion Watches, who is just, as far as these things go, you know, Nick is about uh, the most knowledgeable guy that we talk to on a regular basis. And he's just sort of, uh, really thoughtful about topics like this case thickness. His response was, I can't, I'll read it at some point, but something like none, they discussed me. And so of course I reach out to him and I'm like, that made me laugh. Um, you know, but we sort of got down the rabbit hole on this and, and Nick's always been one of the, one of our, you know, experts, right? One of our, or the people that we talk to when we need to know something, and kind of talking to them about, you know, hey, let me pick your brain on this topic. What is this thing that happens? Why are some watches thinner, some watches thicker? What's happening here? And Nick being Nick's fairly frank, and he said, you know, I think the biggest thing that happens, and I'm going to paraphrase him, I'm not quoting him here, But he basically said the biggest thing that happens, at least in terms of micro brand or small batch watch production, is a reliance on factories or OEMs to do your water resistance engineering. That that's maybe the most important function that's handed over to these watch manufacturers. And the results are a natural byproduct of outsourcing that quality control aspect, because it makes no sense. It makes no sense for a watch factory that's charging anything besides top dollar. It makes no sense for them to engineer a thin dive watch. If you want a dive watch, it's going to go down to 200 meters, 300 meters, 500 meters. The most cost effective method for a factory to take in terms of designing that water resistance is brute force, right? Mm-hmm. Gasket thickness, case back thickness, crystal thickness.
Andrew	Barring like engineering, redesigning.
Everett	Yes. That's right. That's right. So what you get is by outsourcing some of those decisions or by outsourcing water resistance, capability, you're putting that in the hands of the factory, and you're putting it in the hands of someone who is more inclined to say, I can't get a case that thin to do what you want it to do than to actually just engineer a case that's as thin as you want it to do the thing you want it to do. There's obviously going to be limitations, but we've got Bulgari or JLC or whoever that are designing very thin watches. You can do it oftentimes.
Andrew	I mean, the Vulgari, you're getting the, what's the super thin one they just released. It's like 10.8 millimeters. Yeah. And it's got a hundred millimeters of water resistance.
Everett	Right. Right. So it can be done. Right. So, but by outsourcing that you sort of give up, you give up some of that, some of that engineering capability.
Andrew	And look at the Amphibia. The Amphibia is 12 millimeters.
Everett	Right? Right. Not including the crystal.
Andrew	Not including the crystal. Right. And you can't include the crystal in that because the crystal could theoretically be not domed if it were created in the modern era. But it's 12 millimeters.
Everett	I'm not sure that's true. In the case of the amphibia, I think that the water resistance relies on the shape of the crystal. Does it? I think it does. I could be wrong about that, and I'm certainly no engineer, but I think that that watch is designed very specifically. The shapes the thicknesses and the tolerances on that watch are designed very specifically. Hmm. It is.
Andrew	Continuing.
Everett	Even at, I think 14 and a half millimeters.
Andrew	It is a marvel. It's still, it's still thin for a dive watch.
Everett	And, and they did, they did whatever Nethans or the, the thick boy watch of the month. They did something different than what those guys do. There's no brute force involved in what those Vostok engineers those beautiful fucking commies, bless them. Good old Soviet engineering. There's, there's a thing that they did that's really beautiful, right? Which is, which is very obvious to you and me as we sit here today, because we've read about it and probably you at home to a certain degree, um, seems like it's a very obvious thing. They take the flex of that case and they use it to their advantage. Um, but, but they really achieved a marvel and there's people who have taken Vostok's to really ridiculous pressure depths. The engineering of that case is phenomenal. So that is what taking your engineering in-house can do. You can do phenomenal things. Now, the Vostok Amphibia is not a particularly thin watch.
Andrew	No, not over in the scheme of watches. Right. In the scheme of divers, it's on the thinner side, I think, or at least it wears on the thinner side. Sure.
Everett	You know, I want to maybe take a minute to sort of differentiate two because I think that there's maybe a couple ways. Hey, hey, we're recording a podcast.
Andrew	Yeah, sorry, I got the COVID.
Everett	Don't say that. There's a couple things that I think we could talk about here, right? There's overall height, there's overall thickness, which that's the number that you're going to see in the details or technical specifications or whatever to your watch, you're going to see that overall case thickness, which is normally the measurement from the lowest point of the case back to the highest point of the crystal. If the seller, manufacturer, or distributor is being honest, that's what it is. But I don't know that that's always what we're talking about when we're talking about case thickness. And the responses to our call-out revealed that. We've got lots of sort of responses that The Tudor watches, any number of Tudor watches are thick watches, and some of them are thick. They're not particularly thick, but what they are is slab-sided. So sometimes when we talk about a thick watch, we're talking about slab-sided watches, and sometimes we're talking about just an overall big dimension, right? Tudor black bays are really sort of famous for being prominently sided, slab-sided watches. And some of the watches we've had in, too, are similar in that way, right? Mm-hmm. Brew is the one that I can think of most recently that we saw that has deliberately slabby sides, right? Yeah. It's like a toaster sitting on your wrist. Which isn't to say that it's a particularly thick watch, because it's not. Mm-mm.
Andrew	But the design aesthetic is there. It creates the illusion that it's a big chunk of steel sitting on your wrist.
Everett	It's that Mount Hood, that Mount Hood look. Yeah. And that compared to, you know, I think that the Brew, we could look this up and I'm not going to, cause I don't think it matters for our conversation. I think that the Brew watch is probably about the same dimension, if not a little thinner than something like a Christopher Ward C65 Trident dive watch. I imagine they're pretty close in dimension. But if you take those two and put them side by side, the brew is very sort of upright, slab-sided. And Christopher Ward, what they've done with that, what they called their light catcher case, light bringer case, lightsaber? Lightsaber case, that's the one, yep. You know, they have taken that case side and really sort of shaved it at the edges in an aesthetically pleasing way, which isn't to say that the watch is thinner, that's just the appearance they've done. So we're not always talking about true dimensional bottom of the case back to top of the crystal dimension here. There's a couple of considerations, right?
Andrew	Oh, interesting. Crystal Rewards website doesn't have the full dimensions available.
Everett	Those dishonest motherfuckers.
Andrew	Chris, you This will be going in your review.
Everett	Cheating son of a bitch. I'm curious. How thick is the brewer? Are you looking at the.
Andrew	So I'm looking at the master graph 10.5 thick. With a 38 millimeter width.
Everett	Super thin. Yeah. 11 millimeters on a chronograph.
Andrew	Right. And the retro.
Everett	It's a Mecca quartz. It's a Mecca quartz.
Andrew	The retro graph is 10.4.
Everett	But I guarantee those dimensions are less than the C-65. I would think so. Yeah, I'd put I'd put 100 bucks on it right now.
Andrew	Christopher Ward, put your profile wits. Oh, continuing.
Everett	Yeah. So, I mean, certain certain watches are just designed to be slap side. The watches I can think of right Tudor Black Bay Brew, also like the, any sort of Flieger watches, right? Yeah, that's their jam. That's the jam. Um, but then there's other watches, you know, I, I think of like the Seamaster 300, which is actually just thick.
Andrew	I, I, I'm going to say, I think the Speedmaster is also, but doesn't wear it thick at all.
Everett	Yeah. I don't think it's that thick. I think it's like 13.
Andrew	Yeah, but it doesn't. That's what I'm saying. But it's just slab sided. It's just Speedmaster. Yeah, I think so. I think the it seems less as you view it because of the size of the bezel. But if you there's a slight contour on the top of that case, but otherwise it just is a it's a straight cut of steel.
Everett	Sure. Yeah, I actually really like the dimensions, but yeah, I think I understand what you're saying. So maybe that's sort of where we have to sort of differentiate. What is it that we're trying to stay away from? Are we trying to stay away from the appearance of thickness? And that is if you're trying to stay away from it. Are you trying to stay away from actual thickness or are you trying to stay away from the appearance of thickness? And if you're trying to stay away from actual thickness. Why? Why? Why? What are you trying to achieve? Trying to get rid of my dress shirt. Right. And when we look at Efreet's post, I think that's where it becomes more, uh, more tricky to nail that down. It becomes more tricky. So what is it you're trying to do? And does it actually matter? Well, maybe, but, but probably not in the way you think it does.
Andrew	No, because complications, they don't necessarily add to thickness. You're going to get, any manner of complications in a relatively thin watch, whether it be GMTs or Chronos, you're going to start to lose water resistance. But most everything's available in something that's going to fit under your dress shirt. And most everything, based on Efreet's post, is going to fit under your dress shirt.
Everett	Or you just stitch your button a little bit further down the
Andrew	If your dress shirt is so tight that you can't spare 15 millimeters, you should probably consider a bigger shirt.
Everett	Well, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I like my I like my sleeves to fit. But yeah, I hear what you're saying. What did you find in your sort of research? What did you find sort of the biggest obstacles to a thin quote unquote thin watch?
Andrew	So what I what I was able to find And what I think it comes down to is affordability. You're going to get what you pay for. If you're looking in the affordables category, you're going to have a harder time finding extra thins that aren't F-91s.
Everett	As I hold my F-84 to the camera.
Andrew	Because like you talked about earlier, the route that micros go is outsourcing these designs. The water resistance engineering. They create the design and they send it to a company and they say, make this happen. And the company comes back and they say, hey man, you, you have sent us an impossible task at this price point. This is what we can do. And they agree to it because they're trying to, they're trying to create a affordable product. Whereas these companies that have in-house engineers, maybe or maybe not in-house manufacturing, they can do it all. They can create exactly what they set out to make. And you see it with Piaget. Pigot. Pigot. I think it's Piaget. Oh yeah, that's the one. Piaget. A two millimeter thick watch. Because they're doing it all in house. And they're setting out to break a record. It's doable, but you're going to pay a fuck ton of money for it.
Everett	That is a thing, right? I think that there is some degree of that happening here. But I also think that there's like actual just logistical considerations too, right? You know, chronographs, right? The automatic, particularly the automatic chronographs, we just know it's very difficult to get an automatic chronograph below about 14 millimeters, maybe 13 and a half, 14 millimeters total width, right? I think that the 7750 movement, which is a fantastic movement, right? Yeah. It's renowned. And some people don't like it because it's thick, right? It's like eight millimeters. Yeah. Just the movement is eight millimeters. So then you want to add a crystal to it, probably. I should hope so. most of the time you're probably also going to want to have some sort of case back, and you're going to need to have hands, too, if it's going to do anything. So all of a sudden, we're at bare minimum 14 millimeters, right? And so that is your starting point.
Andrew	That's your starting point. In fairness there, that's probably your most affordable thin chronograph movement. Automatic chronograph movement.
Everett	Well, I wouldn't call it thin. There's nothing thin about it.
Andrew	It's probably in the in in the way of affordable and and thin. That's probably the where the two meet.
Everett	I think it is maybe the most affordable automatic chronograph movement that you can find. I there may be some stuff from the ST 1901 is it's a mechanical movement, though.
Andrew	It's not full. Right. But yeah, OK, that's fair.
Everett	And so, you know, you've really, to get significantly thinner. Now there are automatic movements, automatic chronographs that are thinner. And we see that the modular, like the ETA modular chronograph movements tend to be a little thinner, but they're a nightmare to work on, according to people who work on watches.
Andrew	We don't know anything about working on them besides with a hammer.
Everett	That's right. They're a nightmare to work on. Nobody wants to work on them because it's just a bitch. And so serviceability down the road becomes an issue. Price is an issue. Yeah. Just to get started, price is an issue. To get to a truly sort of, a truly serviceable column wheel or even a cam actuated, non-modular, serviceable, easily serviceable movement, you wind up looking at like a Frederick P.K. 1185, or, or perhaps El Primero, or these Rolex movements, you know, and these guys do a fantastic job of getting thin movements, you know, Rolex famously used the El Primero movement for 100 years in the Daytona, and then, you know, just a few years ago switched over to the 41, their own 4130 caliber. But that That process was like a five-year R&D process by one of the biggest watch R&D companies in the world.
Andrew	With in-house engineer, in-house designers. That's what it comes down to. Right. Right. You're not going to get it out of companies that are outsourcing their engineering and their manufacturing.
Everett	That's right. Yeah, that's right. And so you could spend 10, 11 grand on a Piguet or a 40 Pidget or an El Primero, right? I mean, that's an option for you, but there's a cost to be had there. There's a cost to be had there. And you know, what's the advantage? What's the advantage? We kind of started talking about this, I think, because of my 7750 chronograph movement. That's part of it, yeah. Talking to folks about, you know, some people are really sort of anti 77 50. For this reason.
Andrew	I don't get why. Because efforts tells us there's more to it.
Everett	Don't fucking worry about it. You're good. There's more to it. You're good. And what we're talking about maybe is something different than actual thickness, because there's certainly watches that are very thick, right? You look at... Big Pilot.
Andrew	Sure, Big Pilot. Or the Monte Triumph.
Everett	Is that thick? Monte Triumph? It was just a slab. Slabby. It was so big. But we've got watches like the Marathon JSAR, which is... the tower, the leaning tower of Pisa on your wrist. And SKX. SKX is relatively tall. Yeah, that's right. Tall. Indeed, that's that's the right word.
Andrew	It's tall. And I think that it's it's the bezel that really accentuates its tallness. It's like a like a tall lady wearing heels.
Everett	This that Raven Deep Tech, the the 2020 Raven Deep Tech that came out twenty five hundred meters of water resistance. It's 17 millimeters thick, you know, and it wears like a tower, right? So there are actually thick watches. We did reach out to you guys. Oh yeah. We did reach out to you guys. I think my suspicion in reaching out to the masses was people actually like thick watches.
Andrew	Cause they're good weekend watches. They wear nice. They feel like you got a watch on.
Everett	Yes, that's right. Sometimes I don't want the thinnest watch I can find. Sometimes I don't want the thickest watch I can find. Rather, what I want is something that's fun to wear or that looks cool. And sometimes, like you brought up the SKX just a minute ago, sometimes that is a thick watch. Yeah. Part of the reason I like the SKX is because I sit it on my wrist and I just enjoy the heck out of it. So we started this thing last week where we're kind of just blasting through some of your responses, and I'd like to do that again because I thought it was fun. So first, user ItTellsTheTime, love that guy. Great, great photos, great feed. He says, none. Gotta be thin or GTFO. I read a couple articles like that. Right. That's it. That's it. A girl on her watch says, well, I just bought a Tudor Black Bay, so what can I say? You know, which sort of goes back to those Blackface, not particularly thick watches, but they don't do any Christopher Ward light catcher tricks, right? That's what you see is what you get. Which, so WH1CH, which W4TCH, which watch? Raven Solitude. Okay. Which, yeah, those are big watches, right? The Solitude, I don't think it's quite as thick as the Deep Tech, but still pretty thick. 120 clicks. He says, sorry to be that guy that says Invicta, but my Grand Diver 3048 comes in at 17 millimeters thick. And that's a big watch. Those Grand Divers, I think two things about the Grand Divers. One, very cool. Very cool. I think that's the coolest Invicta. And I think it's cooler than the Pro Diver. But they're big, they're big watches.
Andrew	So this is. It always bothers me when I'm about to Google something we've just talked about. And it's the first like I just start to type it and it's just right there.
Everett	Google just fucking knows. It just does. So this is I don't know how to pronounce this ball rockler. Ball rocker? Yeah. B-A-L-R-A-J-K-L-E-E-R. Yeah, that's a made-up word. Well, it might be a made-up word, but he's been around for a while. Sometimes I don't realize I don't know how to pronounce these things until I try to pronounce them. But this has been a listener for a long time. He comments frequently. I'm sorry, I don't know how to pronounce your Instagram handle. Seiko6138Kakume. And then he says, legally obliged to add. Damn, he thick, boy.
Andrew	It's true.
Everett	That's a thick watch. Those old Seiko automatic chronographs. Thick, dude. Oh, they are cool though. Very cool. Clothes have ruined me. Seiko turtle. True. That's a thick watch. Krent KL. Clothes have ruined me? Yes. Clothes have ruined me. He's got a great Instagram, by the way. Clothes have ruined me. He's like a sort of, it's sort of, I would call it like a boho fashion page. Anyway. Good dude, cool page. Krent KL says, Orient Neptune, question mark. Yeah, Neptune's a thick watch. I like it though. So Jason.watches, J-A-S-I-N.watches. This is a watch I haven't heard of and I had to look it up, but he says my Boston and Stewil Tourer 2 is my favorite thick boy. It's not a particularly thick watch. I think it's only like 14 and a half millimeters thick. I had never seen this company. I'd never seen the name. They seem like very cool watches, though it's an English or a U.K. company charging in pounds.
Andrew	So, oh, they are charging.
Everett	Interesting. It's a it's a Ronda quartz bullhead chronograph. And I kind of want to check one of these things.
Andrew	It looks like a stopwatch got mounted to. A plate on a strap because the lugs are not in the center of the case, they're at the bottom.
Everett	The lugs are level with the case back. They've got bullhead. They've got, Oh yes, yes. I know what you're talking about. Yes. Uh, very cool.
Andrew	Oh, I am very cool.
Everett	Watches my neck. I've already mentioned this comment. He says, none of them. They discussed me Pacific North watch. Our homies. Anders says the Seiko SBB and zero three, three tuna. And also my new Orient make OXL, which is actually pretty thin, but pretty large. Sounds right.
Andrew	Xander's not a big guy. No, Xander's my size. And for all of you, I'm 5'9", about 165-ish pounds. And Xander's about my size.
Everett	I keep good time says the SLA025. True story. True story. And Gelato Mancer says, does the Seiko Samurai count as a thick watch? I mean, I guess it does. Right. You know, I think the theme we saw here, though, is that kind of it's like, yeah, this is a thickish watch. I think people kind of don't worry too much about this is the way it appeared to me. Yeah. It's it seems like the least important thing. In terms of the things we look at, it seems like the thing that's sort of least likely to get you excited.
Andrew	Although some people... It'll turn people off, though. It doesn't have to excite you if it's something that you can be turned off by. Right. Maybe that's it. Maybe it's not an important factor until it's a turn off.
Everett	Never mind. I was going to say it's like that mole or whatever, right? That you're like, you didn't even notice for the first
Andrew	nine months you were dating, and then you're like... Or it's when three C's turn into a CK.
Everett	Okay, okay. We should... We should... We should move on. We should wrap this up. What do you think? I mean, have we figured out everything there is to figure out about thick watching? I think so. Yeah.
Andrew	Do we ever have to talk about this topic again? Probably. We'll talk about it every week. The thickness.
Everett	You suggested this and you said you don't seem real excited and I was like me. Yeah, I think it was more interesting than I thought it was going to be. Yeah, they usually are. Yeah, that's that's always true. Yeah, you're right.
Andrew	Can I talk about my other thing? I'm real excited about it.
Everett	Please do. Other things, Andrew, go.
Andrew	Y'all. Yeah. Half Thor Bjornsson. I've heard of this guy. More recently known as the Mountain. Yes. From Game of Thrones.
Everett	A.K.A. A.K.A. slash F.K.A. The World's Strongest Man.
Andrew	Yeah. And just recently broke the world the deadlift or the world deadlift record at eleven hundred. He broke Eddie Hall's record. He broke Eddie Hall's record at eleven hundred and four pounds. And with breaking Eddie Hall's record, he said, now I'm ready to take it into the ring. And you know what? Hafthor Bjornsson and Eddie Hall have entered into a contract to box in Las Vegas in September of 2021. Everett, we're going to this.
Everett	It is. I've got a question. I've got a question. How much reach does the mountain have on Eddie Hall?
Andrew	You know, Eddie Hall is not a. I haven't seen there. I haven't seen their stats come out. They just signed the contract. They went into contract last week on it. September 2021, the heaviest boxing match ever held. The two biggest, like the combined heaviest weight ever in a boxing ring will occur Las Vegas 2021. I have watched videos of both of them boxing for one reason or another. Neither of them are recent. Bjornsson has a YouTube video available where he's sparring in 2014 and his sparring partner after just a single round Looked like he has been hit by a car, not in like the way of injury. But just like, please, God, don't let it happen again. Eddie Hall. How tall?
Everett	How tall is Thor 72? Oh, he's fucking huge.
Andrew	He's OK. He's he's like 72. Yeah, something like that. Eddie Hall is not. Eddie Hall is probably six.
Everett	Four. I don't even think he's that tall. I don't think he's that tall. I don't think he's six foot. I think he's my my height. I think he's like 511 regardless. These two dudes. Thor is going to have like a foot and a half of reach on him.
Andrew	So maybe more. Eddie Hall boxed Nick, Nick Wiggins. In a charity match, and he actually moves pretty good. I think this is going to be a really good fight because there's also bad blood between these guys. This isn't like it's not going to be a good. It's going to be worth flying to Las Vegas and watching. It's going to be a fun fight. It's going to be fun. So we're going to go to Las Vegas. Tickets are not available yet. September 2121, we're going to have the heaviest heavyweight boxing match that has ever been fought between two of literally two of the world's strongest men. People who have held that title literally and dudes who hate each other.
Everett	Do they hate each other? I find that hard to believe.
Andrew	Maybe it's just a media beef that exists to hype up world's strongest men, but they have they have got some bad blood between them because Thor accused Eddie Wiggin or Eddie, Eddie Hall of cheating. Interesting.
Everett	Eddie Hall kind of cheating, doping. Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, I can see that.
Andrew	I don't see how you you win the world's strongest man and not dope. That's that's a whole other thing. But he accused him of it. And Eddie Hall did not like that. And now there's some beef between them and they're going to settle it in the ring. Fantastic. I am. So excited for this. We're going to go to Las Vegas.
Everett	Is this your other thing or was this the lead up to your other thing?
Andrew	This is my other thing. This fight. We're going to go to Las Vegas and we're going to watch this. I'm into it. And if if it's if the tickets are prohibitively expensive, I will pay for the pay-per-view and you can we can fly to Las Vegas and pay-per-view it in my hotel room.
Everett	What is the price for an eight ball these days?
Andrew	Yes. OK, just dude, I don't know. I ask people all the time, like, how much does this cost? Like, I don't know, 20 bucks. I'm like, where'd you get 20 bucks? I'm like, I don't want to answer that.
Everett	It's good shit, man.
Andrew	Yeah, dude, I'm so excited for this fight.
Everett	That's good.
Andrew	This is no, it's I've not been. So the last fight I got excited about is going to be super anticlimactic. Oh, it'll be terribly. It'll we'll probably see a third round knockout like a straight knockout.
Everett	I think I think that it's going to be less than that. I do not think that Eddie Hall has the reach to play to even play in the same ring.
Andrew	I think I think he's got the just watching the move. I think he's got the mobility on Thor. There's we're not going the distance. This isn't going to come to a decision, but I think he has the mobility and the speed that Thor doesn't just in watching them spar. Thor is not a. particularly mobile man. Maybe he's gotten faster. Maybe they'll cut some weight and speed up. But I, I, I think, I think it'll be a really interesting fight between two totally amateur guys. It'll be like watching Conor McGregor in a boxing ring.
Everett	Yeah. And you know, neither one of these guys is neither one of these guys is, uh, unfamiliar with MMA, right? They've both sort of trained yet. with with the best.
Andrew	Because Thor's fought with they've sparred. He sparred with Conor McGregor last year, I think.
Everett	Did you watch that? Did you watch that? I haven't watched it.
Andrew	It's pretty fun. It's got to be so. Can you imagine? And McGregor's a hard ass dude. I yeah, I think if you armed McGregor with a knife, he still would have been intimidated in that ring.
Everett	Cool. That's exciting. I'm down to go with you. Yeah, I'm down to go with you. It's just I mean, fucking worst case scenario, we drive. It's like a 12-ish hour drive. I think it's a little bit more than that, but not much. Yeah. Yeah. Cool, man. I'm into it. Did I ever tell you about the time that I drove to Vegas through the Mojave in a Ford Ranger with a bad radiator and the car kept overheating so we couldn't run the air conditioner? It was 115 through the Mojave and we had to blast the heat to keep the car from overheating. That sounds like a movie. It was the worst. I mean, it's funny now that I think about it, but it wasn't then worse. Yeah, no. You're hanging up like dogs. Literally.
Andrew	Yeah. Yes. Literally. And at 115 degrees, it doesn't matter. It's not. It's not. It's just air movement. Like the heat probably wasn't even that worse, that much worse than the air outside. Right.
Everett	It was not. I've got another thing. Are you ready for it? Can I talk about this? I've been watching a new series. I don't know how new it is. It's new-ish, but it's been out for too long for me not to have heard about it. But we pulled it up on Amazon. It is called... The Man in the High Castle.
Andrew	It's called Lost. Have you ever heard of it? No. Interesting. Does it have polar bears and smoke monsters? Because if it does, I'm in.
Everett	So it's not Lost, but it's actually similar in some ways that I thought were interesting. It's called Tales from the Loop. Tales from the Loop. Uh, it's set in a town in some sort of alternate universe. I would put the approximate setting as the early 1980s. There are vehicles are the easiest thing to sort of pin down. There's a number of, um, Mercedes diesel, um, S S sedans and, um, a lot of Volvo two forties. So it's sort of like. ambiguously set in the 80s, but clearly in another universe. There's robots and there's this facility called the loop, which is an underground facility where they do some sort of ambiguous testing. It does not seem that the testing they're doing is particularly secret or nefarious. Everybody sort of accepts it as what it is, but they're doing research and development on things that are perhaps physically impossible. And so we get into sort of time travel, we get into, you know, maybe some cognitive experimentation, things that are just tough for us to imagine. And so each one of these episodes is a different tale, quote unquote tale, from this relatively small community.
Andrew	Kind of anthology style?
Everett	It's episodic for sure. Um, what I call it anthology, maybe not, but it's episodic for sure, but involving the same characters. So these, the characters that we get to know in each episode are connected. And so, you know, you know, the character that you're learning about from another episode, perhaps, and you know, the family dynamic. So it's a very losty. It is very losty, different than lost in a number of ways, but it has a similar feel. It, feels similar.
Andrew	It's like a serialized episodic show, which I love where you must see them all, but each one is independent.
Everett	Yes, indeed it is. That is exactly right, Andrew. And it's it's just been really fun. I think that we've watched four episodes and so certainly not all the way through it. But I was watching this thing and just thinking, God dang, this is super duper fun. Cohesiveness seems to be there, but it's not something that I worry about, right? It's fun and interesting. It's not particularly deep, and I don't think it's supposed to be, although there may be some depth there that I'm not acknowledging. Just fun. Check it out. Tales from the Loop. Really, really fun. I'm enjoying the heck out of it.
Andrew	I'm intrigued. As a sci-fi guy, right?
Everett	Right. As a sci-fi guy, I'm enjoying the heck out of it. It is good. solid film sci-fi. I'm into it. Also, I just restarted Zelazny's Chronicles of Amber last night, literally at midnight. I started The Nine Princes of Amber.
Andrew	What are you doing starting something at midnight?
Everett	I cannot finish a book and go to bed. I can't do it. I have to be engaged in another book. So I finished my book last night 1145 and I already had the Great Book of Amber downloaded on my phone. I was like, I'm starting. So it seems like I'm starting Amber again.
Andrew	I couldn't do that. I fell asleep. I'm prepping for the show and I put my head on my hand on the arm of the couch and Sam came in and woke me up. She's like, what do you don't you have to record like?
Everett	Yeah. What? are you doing? So, uh, what's coming up this week? I think that we are, I do want to make sort of a mini announcement. We are going to have a second audio release this week. Ooh, yeah. We're going to have a second audio release. So, uh, not only are you going to get this on Thursday, but on the following Monday, We, I believe Monday, please don't hold me to that, but be looking at it, be looking for it around Monday. Uh, we're going to do for the first time ever, a mini audio review with our friend, Will the Watch Clicker. The Watch Clicker, Will.
Andrew	Will the Watch Clicker, the Watch Clicker, Will.
Everett	Uh, we're going to do a mini, uh, I'll, I'll refrain from telling you what watch it is.
Andrew	Oh yeah, we'll let that be the surprise. Just have it and just title it, Watch Review 1.
Everett	And you know, I don't know, we'll probably look at doing this more often, but something we've been chatting with him about, thought it might be fun, a little bit of change of pace and a second audio release in a week. So this week, starting today, you only have Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, you only have about four days until you get our next audio. That's a first for us. Yeah. That's a first for us and kind of exciting.
Andrew	We, you know, we could do, we could just start cutting our episodes in half and releasing twice a week.
Everett	Cut them into, cut them into one seventh sections, just mathematically. Yeah. And just mid word, cut it, release the next bit the next day. So yeah, we're going to, the Monday after you hear this, there'll be another update. It'll be short, it'll be fun, hopefully.
Andrew	Or it'll suck. Let us know what you think.
Everett	or it'll suck and fuck it it'll be fun for at least me yeah and and then perhaps sometime in the future you'll do one of these perhaps all right that's all i've got man do you have anything else andrew because we're at our normal time ish that's right for another hour and 15 minutes of So I guess with that, thank you for joining us for this episode of 40 in 20. Check us out on Instagram at 40 in 20. Check us out on patreon.com slash 40 in 20. That's the Patreon. We did have a new patron this week. So so thank you. You know, seriously, super helpful. That's how we pay for the hosting. That's how we do the things we're doing. That's how we're going to go to Basel next year.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	Is with our patron funds.
Andrew	Probably how we drive to wind up is more accurate, but perhaps.
Everett	Perhaps. But yeah, so thank you for that. Don't forget to tune back in next Thursday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Bye-bye.