Episode 80 - Vintage Watches, Part Deux

Published on Wed, 06 May 2020 23:41:00 -0700

Synopsis

The podcast begins with friendly banter between the two hosts, Andrew and Everett, as they discuss various topics like making Dalgona coffee, watch straps, and an upcoming Timex release. The main segment focuses on discussing different vintage watches that listeners had recommended or the hosts found interesting. Some of the watches covered include vintage Omega Deville watches, a 1970s Timex mechanical watch, Seiko chronographs from the 1960s and 1970s, a Rado Golden Horse dress watch, Universal Geneve rail router watches for Canadian railroads, and the quirky Zodiac Astrodigit LCD chronograph. They also talk about new shows they're watching like Kim's Convenience and the latest season of Westworld.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. This is the 40 in 20 podcast with your host Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett I'm good. I'm freaking pumped. I'm ready to go.
Andrew Yeah, pumped. I mean, we're going a day later than usual. We really wanted to build the excitement. And the excitement has been built, I think.
Everett Yeah, it's been built. It's been built.
Andrew Also, the excitement has really been built here because we've been on the phone for about 15 minutes. Oh, yeah. And I've been out of a beer for about 19 minutes.
Everett Yeah, that's right. So those of you who don't know, we've got a rule. You know, you don't open the beers until we press record. Otherwise, you don't get those fantastic sounds.
Andrew There's a lot of yelling at one another. Don't you open that beer.
Everett Don't you open that. Yeah, that's true. That happens about every week. I have, uh, I've over caffeinated today. I've over caffeinated today. My wife has been sort of, uh, excited to try this Dalgona coffee thing. Do you know what I'm talking about?
Andrew Nope. You texted me about it today and I did not know what you meant, but I also did not want to ask.
Everett Yeah. Cause you basically just don't care about anything ever anymore.
Andrew Mostly that I just did not care about the Dalgona coffee thing. Cause I'm sure it's yucky. And I know that if I, if I learn about it, Sam will learn about it and then I'll have to try it and it will suck.
Everett No, Sam definitely knows about it because Sam pays attention to things and engages with the world around her.
Andrew I don't because we're in social distancing land.
Everett What's it called? It's Dalgona coffee. So it's this thing. It's been, uh, it's sort of been, uh, making the social media rounds. I think that's probably the best way to say it.
Andrew The first thing is why aren't you drinking Dalgona coffee yet? Just as I Google it.
Everett That's the first article. Well, and I'll tell you, I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why, Andrew. It's awful. It's awful. The way I made it, which is the way it's made, it's, it's bad. It's bad. So you use instant coffee and instant coffee is by and large terrible, but you use kind of a lot of it. It's this sort of heavily, Uh, it's this sort of heavily concentrated instant coffee mix. You mix, uh, equal sort of volume. It's a volumetric recipe. Most of these are, but it's equal volume, instant coffee, sugar, and hot water. So like two tablespoons of each. So it's, it's a fuck ton of coffee in this kind of small, uh, amount of, of product. Yes.
Andrew Yes. I was just, I was about to interrupt you and say, I understand what, what it is now.
Everett It's coffee whipped cream. Ish, ish, right? A little bit different because you don't whip the cream. So the coffee actually, the, the, the instant coffee actually acts as the surfactant, um, or perhaps the sugar is the surfactant and the instant coffee is the bubble. I'm not sure, but there's, you know, in fact, I'm sure that's true now that I say Uh, but there's this foaming moosey thing that happens and it's sweet. Obviously it's sweet. I think if you got, um, like some sort of out of this world, high quality instant coffee, it might be better. It might be better. Um, because it really just tasted like a spoonful of instant coffee in your face. Uh, sweet and the, and the coolness, it kind of works, but at the end of the day it was terrible. And I'm a freaking nicotine. and caffeine, like just constantly all day, nicotine, caffeine, nicotine, caffeine. And, um, I got wired. Like I drank this thing and 20 minutes later, I was like, which is pretty tough for me at this point, you know, years in the army and, you know, law school and being an attorney. Right. And just excessive, excessive, uh, legal drug use, uh, really of the stimulant variety has left me
Andrew pretty uh pretty tolerant to those things i'm wondering if it's because of the concentration in that really small amount of mousse to get just the picture i'm looking at that's like seven cups of coffee worth of instant coffee yeah i think maybe five or six yeah so it's straight to the brain yeah
Everett straight to the brain.
Andrew Because your body's dissolving it, so it's a longer release of the coffee. You're not taking in pre-dissolved. It's actually all entering through your stomach. It's being dissolved there, and that's where your body's doing all the work on the grounds. I imagine it's a prolonged release of caffeine.
Everett Yeah. Well, I mean, it happened pretty quick, and it felt bad. It was that kind of coffee high that's not good. At any rate, How's your poops? Well, it happened pretty immediately. I was like, yeah, it's poop time. Yeah, interesting, interesting and not terribly good. And also kind of, I mean, she just, my wife just wanted to try it. She didn't drink hers at all. I don't think she had like more than two, the two sips it took to decide she didn't like it. She was like, I'm done. I'm like, I just whisked that thing 800 times and my arm still hurts. You better drink more of that.
Andrew I always feel that way about whipped cream when I make it because I don't buy whipped cream. I always make whipped cream. And I always feel that way when any goes into the sink or the trash. I'm like, I dripped sweat to get to this.
Everett You know, I make whipped cream in the KitchenAid. And it's, I mean, it's obviously no effort.
Andrew It's way easier. but the setup is harder and I'm a... No, it's not harder. It's the same setup. I have to get the bowl out. I have to put the whisk attach in. I have to put it in there.
Everett You have to do all of those things except connect the whisk to the machine when you make it by yourself. In the moment... The same exact things.
Andrew In the moment I'm making it, I'm like, eh, whatever. It takes three minutes. And at the end of it, when I have blisters on my fingers and I'm sweating... You should have got the KitchenAid out. I'm like, I just should have got the KitchenAid. Yeah.
Everett Every time.
Andrew Every time.
Everett Indeed. Yeah. Indeed. How are you, Andrew?
Andrew Tired. It must be a full moon tonight because both my kids were maniacs today.
Everett It is certainly not a full moon.
Andrew There's no other explanation for why they were so crazy. There was never, not at any one point, a 10 minute period where one or the other of them wasn't crying. Wasn't just insane. Just going freaking off the wall.
Everett Yeah, my kids had a crazy day too, man.
Andrew I mean, part of it's the quarantine, but part of it is also the quarantine.
Everett It were maybe a bit of a fever pitch.
Andrew Yeah, the old one, the almost five-year-old is just tired of seeing only us because we're not fun. We're like old and get tired quickly. Yeah, very true. So, it was a hard day. throughout the day on you know my my weekends sam's working from home so i try to respect the fact that she only gets three work days a week with another adult at the house so she can come back here and do her thing and i'm sort of solo parenting but with like at least a supporting role like in reserve it just it makes for a for a very challenging day i'm i'm very much already looking forward to going back to work
Everett sure sure yeah i'm worn out and it was raining so we couldn't go outside and it was it was just a i'm alive i'm here and i'm ready to talk watches i i'm ready we're talking about watches andrew we we are but you know before we get in the main topic that i think there's a couple of sort of uh watch watch ancillary watch things i'd like to talk about is that oh is that okay be my guest okay so the first one Uh, uh, item number one. I, I got a new strap today. Ooh, I got a new strap today and it's, uh, you know, short of, of a custom strap. We're on record, right? Get a custom strap.
Andrew Just go get a custom strap from Eric because they're less expensive than not custom straps and they're better. And he's a normal, just a normal, a people that you can buy it from. He's a people. And, and his next to free watch straps.
Everett aren't going to last forever. So we're, we're into that, right? We're, we're into that thing. However, however, uh, there's some trade-offs, right? Uh, you're, you're not going to get a strap from Eric tomorrow. So, so let's say you, you order, uh, a strap from Eric on Saturday. You're not going to have it on your wrist on Monday.
Andrew Even if you order off Amazon, you won't have it on Monday. It'll be Tuesday, but continue.
Everett Okay, so on Saturday, I ordered a strap from Cascadia Strap Company out of Portland. So it doesn't have very far to go, but I have met Ed, one of the owners of Cascadia Strap Company. I've met him a couple times at Red Bar events, and we actually have some family connections outside of that. He's a homie, I would say. We've got a little bit of a connection.
Andrew He doesn't know Everett, though, just to be clear.
Everett He never met me. And so I've been chatting with Ed. We just chat about bullshit, right? We chat about vintage tech, Hoyer, because he's into it, I'm into it. And we're chatting on Saturday, and I'm like, hey, I need one of those steel, pebble-grained straps. And he's like, yeah, well, let's make it happen. uh order order the steel pebble grain he ships today it shows up in my mailbox two days later and i'm wearing it it looks so good i'm wearing it it is really great it's really really great i wish you'd got an 18 because i feel like it would look so good on the snk yeah yeah well i may just need to get another one i i think the snk Uh, supports at least my black SNK supports a, a Brown. I think you need some Brown to offset that black.
Andrew Perhaps.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. I think so. I actually think I'm going to get a vintage. So I've got an 18 millimeter. I've got an 18 millimeter, um, set of watches, not very many watches, uh, really, but my SNK and my ed 63 are sort of the main contenders. So currently I'm wearing that Hadley Roma. Um, that Hadley Roma oil. I used to have the Hirsch that her celebrity I'm in, and I lost that fucking her celebrity, which, so I was, Oh, back to the point. I lost it. Yeah. I lost that her celebrity. Uh, so I've got that oil, whatever they call it, the, the Hadley Roma oil strap or whatever, which is like how the Rome was version of the hearse liberty. Uh, but it's just not as good. Um, but this Cascadia strap is. I would say of the same exact caliber as my Hirsch Liberty, which is fantastic, right? Which is fantastic. For approximately the same price, it is just as good. Smaller company, cooler colors, cooler sort of designs. They're hipper than Hirsch is because Hirsch is sort of a stodgy old company. It's up there in the same quality. You know, it sort of feels mass produced because it is. It is a mass produced strap, but it is good. A good mass produced strap.
Andrew I'm looking at their website right now and the first two products are a sage green velvet ostrich strap.
Everett Yes.
Andrew And a brown suede alligator card holder. And you know, I was getting a card holder the other day and I almost asked you to buy or to make me one. um i bought one on the amazon it's whatever i've got a brand new one sitting on my shelf that you could have had but it's already made but now i want the brown suede alligator uh so cascadia strap company 50 money though so there's you know i'm gonna take that brand new one on the on the counter so the other one i wanted to talk about
Everett Giorgio Gali posted yesterday, I believe, a new Timex. A new Timex.
Andrew This is like a- Ooh, yeah, they did.
Everett This is a true sort of throwback military mechanical watch that Timex is going to be releasing. Mechanical stainless steel MK1. It is 36 millimeters. They have a 41, too. 36 millimeters on this one they posted yesterday, which is just freaking perfect. It's got a big crown. It's got a big crown. It's got perfect lugs. Fantastic dial.
Andrew I'm looking at a 40 for the S1?
Everett No, no, the MK1, the Timex on the Giorgio Galli Design Lab page. This is the 36 millimeter. archive release. Um, it just looks incredible. It looks, I mean, it's sort of got that hack watch. It's a, it's an American hack watch is what it is. Um, and it is not, it does not have vintage loom, Andrew. Good. It, it, God, I want, I want this watch. I'm going to buy it. I don't know how much it will be. I assume so mechanical. I don't know what movement it's going to have, right? That's a question. That's a question. What movement is going to have? And maybe somebody knows. If you know, let us know. But it's probably a hand wind mechanical movement. I'm guessing. I can't imagine it's automatic.
Andrew I mean, all of them are there. They have a couple automatics, but most of them are straight mechanical, which is going to be how they're going to keep it affordable.
Everett Mm hmm. Mm hmm. And and it's going to be good, right? You know, there's some advantages to mechanical. So it'll be thinner. It's smaller. Um, I, but I don't know what movement it's going to have. I would guess, I would guess that they're going to try to come in underneath Hamilton. It doesn't make any sense for them to release this at a $450, $500 price point. Uh, so my guess would be between 350 and 400 if they're smart. Um, and heck yeah, dude, it's dope. Yeah, it's, it's dope. So check it out. Georgia Galley design, uh, design lab on Instagram has posted it. I don't think Timex has posted it. So, but they haven't. Yeah. It's not the first time we've seen this, uh, that Giorgio Gali has sort of beaten Timex to the punch. And I assume, I assume that has to do with a sort of tailored approach to nerds, right? To WIS, as it were. I think that they are coming at us, right?
Andrew Yeah. They're trying to get the street cred. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Which they deserve at this point.
Everett That's right. It's deliberate. They see what's happening. They see what's happening, that there is, you know, and that feeds through, right? One day Timex's is crap. And then the next day, all these watch nerds are buying Timex's, you know, it's, you know, the MK1 and, and the aluminum MK1's and the Q Timex's and a number of these Timex releases. And some of them have been flat light, right? Like American documents, kind of a dud. Um, the, the new sort of Batman automatic cue Timex, um, maybe a little bit of a dud. I don't think the golden eyes, the, the Batman, the Batman one. Ooh, I didn't see that one. It was automatic. It's an automatic. Uh, and, and I think it kind of fell flat. I don't think people dig it right the same way, but it doesn't matter because as long as they're sort of, ding in the bell, and they're keeping the nerds interested. It generally makes people feel it feeds into the general populace, right? Oh, well, watch nerds like Timex. Timex is a cool brand again. Timex is cool again. And I think that's happening. I think Timex is really doing a good job with it, too. This is a super smart release by them.
Andrew I think. Yeah, they're hitting all the benchmarks to fill the void that Orient's about to create.
Everett Why is Orient creating the void?
Andrew Well, I mean, by the nature of Seiko stepping up, leaving a market segment underrepresented, I think Orient's going to fill that Seiko void as Seiko increases. They kind of increase their trajectory. And then Timex is going to fill that super cool, affordable, kind of quirky zone, hopefully. Timex does a better job at creating proper sized watches so that you don't love 9 out of 10 things about their watch.
Everett Yeah, Orient keeps fucking missing, dude.
Andrew Just with one thing. Just with one thing.
Everett I mean, odd size lugs. I'm just not doing it. I'm not going to buy your odd lug size. What? I'm not fucking doing it. I don't want to have a NATO strap. that only fits your fucking watch. I don't want to do it.
Andrew 19 and 21 are inappropriate sizes and appropriate for lug width. Shame. Yeah. 18, 20, 22. Like everyone else. You're not so great. You can redesign the lug width.
Everett Shame on you. Shame.
Andrew Exactly. Ding, ding, ding, ding. Shame. That's my bell. I don't have a cowbell next to me.
Everett I know. I know. Right. We need we need to get some cowbells for the show. We could have. I mean, we've got like, you know, I've got like some. But that's it. I don't have a cowbell. I mean, can we adjust those? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I can put whatever the fuck I want.
Andrew Yeah. We need cowbell. We don't need that. We need we need cowbell. We need Tiger King.
Everett What's the title? What is it?
Andrew I don't know. Just something he says.
Everett Like one of his songs. Oh, yeah. We're going to get a, you know, a C and D letter or something eventually. We're not big enough. Yeah, that's true. Nobody listens to the show, honestly.
Andrew Yeah, it's just not even our moms listen anymore. We get two unique listens every week and we both just listen on repeat.
Everett We're not even in the New York Times.
Andrew No, no. And congratulations to those of you who were. Not to downplay this, it's a weird topic for the New York Times to address, but super cool they did. And a big congratulations to everyone that did get recognized.
Everett I think it's awesome. I think it's awesome. It's a thing that's happening right now. It's important. You know, obviously our friends sort of Rick and Ricky, Kat and Katlyn, Mike and Kaz, and I say friends, right? A little bit of a finger quote. Finger quote, right?
Andrew They only sort of know we exist.
Everett Right. I mean, you know, internet friend, right? It's sort of the new dawn of... Some watch fam. Watch fam. That's better. But, you know, our friends, I'm going to call them our friends, just really well-deserved. You know, all three of those companies, and there was a couple of other companies that made it on that list.
Andrew That we knew would make it on a New York Times list, though.
Everett Right. Let's be real here. Um, but you know, those guys are hustlers. All, all, all, all three of those groups are just hustlers. Cat and Catly came out hot, well-connected. They're, um, producing the best content I think in this game and super well-deserved. Ricky and Ricky, Rick and Ricky are fucking idiots and they say stupid shit, but they're really fun. Yeah. And they make good shit and they hustle. They put out more content than anybody else has ever put out on a podcast. It's insane to me. They do, I think they do 12 episodes every single week.
Andrew I don't even think I watch 12 episodes of television a week.
Everett I don't know how they do it, man. Sometimes, sometimes they don't talk about anything, but then I listened to today's episode and it was, I mean, they just, every two sentences was something new and cool. You know, this Ming watches controversy and which I'm not going to talk about cause I don't care, but it was a cool and interesting. So, uh, and obviously Mike and Kaz OGs love those guys. So really well-deserved congratulations to all of them.
Andrew So at 19 minutes, should we get into our topic for the day?
Everett We're at 20, we're, we're at like 23 minutes.
Andrew Yeah, but we're going to cut some time out. 22 minutes. Well, we're at 24 and a half minutes, Andrew, but I'm showing 26 and a half.
Everett Well, cause you started recording like 10 minutes early. Time is a construct.
Andrew You're right. Two-hour episode. Today's the day.
Everett Today's the day, people.
Andrew We're going to Joe Rogan it today, y'all.
Everett Man, how does he get away with that? Because he's fascinating. He is fascinating. But sometimes his guests are really weird.
Andrew And those are short episodes. Those are short episodes. I listened to an interview with him where he talked about that long form. He's like, yeah, people I can talk to for three hours, I interview for three hours. People I don't, hour.
Everett You're done. Yeah. You're done. Yeah. Fair enough. Fair enough. I can only think of one time we ever interviewed someone where I was like, all right, let's wrap it up. Yeah. Just one time. Just one.
Andrew It was the watch clicker, just to be clear. It was Will.
Everett Will, the watch clicker. God, you just kept going. JK, love you Will. We're talking about watches. We are. We're talking about watches. We're talking about vintage watches.
Andrew We should just stop titling our episodes so people have to get through the bullshit to decide if they want to listen or not.
Everett Every episode will be called Episode 80, Surprise. Episode 81, Surprise.
Andrew Episode 82, More Surprise.
Everett The Special. Soup du jour.
Andrew Ooh, I like that.
Everett Okay, so we're talking about vintage watches. We've picked some watches. We're going to give you the entire history of vintage watches like we do. We always start with the history. So this is going to be a fully, uh, a complete unabridged history of vintage watches.
Andrew Andrew go. And why vintage watches got popular. So really vintage watches got popular, uh, at the, the first time I've watched got old and passed down as an heirloom.
Everett That was it. It was actually, it was actually a fellow named, uh, a fellow named Stuart Bigsby. Yep. And he gave a watch to his son, Stuart Bigsby Jr. On his deathbed.
Andrew On his deathbed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And all of Junior's kids loved the watch. And they started robbing their dads.
Everett The history of vintage watches. We picked watches. I don't know what your watches are and you don't know what my watches are.
Andrew I kind of like that part of this whole social distancing thing. is, is there's some surprise, some buildup. I, I y'all and Ev are in the same amount of turmoil trying to hear and wade through the bullshit. What we've, what we've picked out for the day to talk about. So, so with that, my first pick isn't a watch at all. It's a selection of watches. It's a brand, if you will. And I think it's a really, uh, useful. and a really reasonable way to get into both luxury watches and vintage watches in the same way.
Everett On premise, this is a cheat. Don't accept, reject.
Andrew Carry on. I'm the content director, so... You are the content editor. That's my title. So with that, I went... My first pick is a vintage Omega.
Everett Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andrew And the reason I'm picking Vintage Omega is I have chrono- This is a hella cheat.
Everett This is a fuckin' hella cheat. It's a hella cheat. You're the worst.
Andrew But see, but that's what I'm talking about here, is you're gonna dip your toes into vintage watches, you're gonna dip your toes into luxury watches, and you're gonna dip your toes into the vintage world that people who service this watch exist.
Everett By the way, Andrew's doing the show notes this week.
Andrew I'm not. My fingers on my nose. Uh, so that's where I'm going. I'm on chrono 24 and the most inexpensive. Omega on the list that a person could wear. Cause there's a couple weirdies that, that you shouldn't wear is 177 bucks. And it's a, it's a word I'm not going to try. It's the demure caliber 485, 177 money. It's a 1963 vintage watch. And the nice thing about getting into Omega is that you're going to have people, watchmakers are going to be able to service these watches the same way they can modern Omegas. You're going to get that, that wealth of knowledge. You're not going to get something obscure and weird. That's the same price point, but no one can service because there's a reason that company went out of business. So my first pick is look at vintage Omegas. You can get into them for well under a thousand dollars and you can't get into a single out-of-the-box Omega for under $1,500.
Everett Anything in particular that you're looking at?
Andrew I mean, is there anything... So, the DeVille is what I'm... Like, I almost pulled the trigger on a DeVille today. Could still happen. The day is young. Well, it's not that young, but it's young enough that I could still end up buying a DeVille today. But you can buy these watches from the 50s and 60s, serviced and ready to go for $250 to 350 money. And yeah, they're a little banged up, but they're 70 years old. So they, they ought to, they ought to have a little bit of character built to them. They're perfect options for dress watches. And I, in, in my opinion, most vintage watches, you have to treat like a dress watch anyway. You gotta be, you gotta, you gotta treat them with, with some real care, some real reverence. And you're going to do that anyway with a dress watch. And I just, I think that if you're looking for a dress watch, why not go the vintage route? And if you're gonna do that, why not go vintage luxury?
Everett Yeah, no, I mean, I think it's I think it's a great option. I do wish you to pick the watch because that was the rules. But you know, hey, there's three more. Okay. Three more brands. Three more giant categories of non watches.
Andrew Yeah, I'm my last pick. My fifth pick is just vintage.
Everett uh yeah i do really like those omega devils i i like the ones with the sort of built up flat uh flat um bezels right can i share my screen with you uh no because we're we're not on zoom i can't share my screen on facetime i don't know maybe but in any event uh i think it's a great i think omega deville which is your first choice is great yeah but generally omega
Andrew Because Omega vintage from the 50s and 60s is very affordable.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. And you know what? I think that you don't run into the same sort of Franken concerns with Omega, although it's a little weird because. Omega has a certain amount of responsibility for that, right? They are pretty heavy handed with servicing is from what I understand. But I feel like by and large, you don't get as much of the You know, it's not like Seiko, right? Like a Seiko, you know, vintage Seiko automatic chronograph where you've got to be super careful. I don't get the sense that you have to be quite as careful with these.
Andrew So yeah, I wouldn't think so either just because of the nature of their production. Cool choice.
Everett So, so what have you got up? So my first watch, uh, also a little bit of a cheat.
Andrew Less. Oh yeah. Figures. And you're going to criticize me. That's why you were so harsh, weren't you?
Everett Cause you were like, I cheated too. Shit. Well, so it's a little different. This is a watch that's still being made today, right? It's still being issued. It's a MOD watch, the current MOD G10 watch, G10 being the reference to the paperwork you fill out historically or currently, I don't know, of the British Ministry of Defense to get an issue watch. So the MOD contract is currently held by Pulsar. which is a Seiko company.
Andrew And, um, which is, it's weird that Pulsar holds it because Pulsar just generally not making great. Their, their output isn't great. I think they've got a couple of cool things, but generally speaking, no.
Everett Well, I think they're a lower tiered watch. And I think that's part of the reason this works. I'm pretty sure that the Cabot watch company CWC famously held that G10 contract for years and years and years. And they just got more expensive than the MOD was willing to continue to purchase. The rate at which they were able to issue them was lower because they were spending more money on them.
Andrew And they probably got expensive because they were getting this fat contract from the Ministry of Defense and could invest money into R&D so they could make better watches and sell more expensive watches and then suddenly that contract went away.
Everett And so it goes. And so it goes. Um, and so I've been looking for a period of time for a British issue or a real sort of legit British military watch. And I've been talking to Dan, uh, Dancy, Timely Moments about this for a while. And I, um, have looked at some of these sort of non-MOD contract watches. I've looked at, uh, you know, obviously Bremont is priced out for me, but Sangan Instruments is closer. They sell out super quick. Um, and, and just a few other watches that new Vertex, um, the new Vertex watches, which are, which are fantastic, but also kind of pricey. I have looked at the CWCs because they're legit and they have Bonafides. Um, the Royal Navy Diver, very cool, but, um, kind of a bigger watch than I think I wanted for this purpose and, and, and more complicated, right? It's a dive watch. Um, the CWC G10. really neat watch and I was pretty close 18 millimeter lugs and for whatever reason that bugged me I wanted a watch with 20 millimeter lugs so I on a 38 millimeter case though third 30 uh 37 I think yeah uh yes yes I did teens appropriated that width I think so but I still wanted 20 I still wanted because you got on them all the 20 millimeter straps yes Yes, and I like the aesthetics of it, right? I like the aesthetics of a small sort of field watch with kind of a big, with a big strap.
Andrew So, um... It makes the dial seem smaller.
Everett Got a smoking deal on one of these. Do have it incoming. The reason I included it today is because you buy these like a vintage watch. You don't buy them from Jomashop. Mm-hmm. You buy them on eBay, right? There's the civilian ones, and then there's the issue ones. Well, you want a fucking issue one, right?
Andrew Right, you want one that homie got from work and is selling.
Everett That's right. And they all have like year codes on them. So the one I have incoming is from 13, but you can find them from like 2004. And you can just tell, you can look at the back and see what country it went to. 99 means it went to England. You can see what year, the last two numbers of the year code. Where'd yours go to? It's a 99-13. Okay. Yeah. So English country code or UK country code and 2013 issue date. Or at least production date, right?
Andrew Right. Neat. So it probably got issued like six weeks ago. I was like, I don't need this fucking thing.
Everett Right. Well, and it is new old stock. I mean, or very close to new old stock. Whoever had it did not wear it very often. It's got basically no scars.
Andrew Because it's wearing a Suunto.
Everett Yes, that's right. Or a G-Shock. Uh, yeah, pretty cool. Pretty cool. And I like it. I dig that pick. You can pick these things up for a song, right? Um, 145, uh, for one in pretty good condition, $145, um, for one that's been banged up a little bit, 100 and 145 pounds, uh, or so for one that's, that's in really, really good shape. And obviously there's some shipping involved cause they're not here by and large, but Um, if you're, if you're not here as well, that might be different.
Andrew I, you know, I worked with some Gurkhas, uh, who are, um, British army. And I was fascinated by the fact that they were, a good many of them were wearing G10s.
Everett They're into it, man.
Andrew Yeah. They were, they were weird dudes generally too.
Everett Those are guys that wear like reptiles to weddings and stuff.
Andrew Well, the Gurkhas are all like Nepalese contracts. So like, I didn't fully understand it, but they're all from Nepal, barring their NCOs and officers. They pay their way to go to the UK, pay their way through the academy, and then become soldiers in these Gurkha regiments. They were all cool shit.
Everett With cool watches.
Andrew Yeah, a lot of them were wearing G10s.
Everett One of my, one of the guys that got me into watches. In fact, I, the guy who got me into watches was a Nepalese, uh, fellow and huge watch collector. Great cook. Oh, favorite things. Um, okay. So we should get onto the next one. Next watch. Next watch. Go.
Andrew Okay. So I cheated again. Not really. Um, my next watch is the Seiko 5 6309. Dash 5120. And this is a, ooh, I forget the year, 60s and 70s issue watch with a, do you need the reference again, Ev?
Everett 5120? 63095120? Yeah, I got it. Did you say it's an issued watch?
Andrew Well, it was issue and like it was, it was produced. Not, not a military issue watch. Yeah, no, not a military issue watch. 60s and 70s with, I think it's just such a perfect retro feel watch. This isn't like a, this is a watch that was produced in a time where it was trying to be super modern. Yeah. And, and, or maybe even postmodern in its era. And it gives it this really funky, uh, square, but not square, like square with a rectangular with rounded edge dial. really, really soft rectangles. Yeah. Soft, long rectangle case with a hidden, hidden crown sort of integrated lugs, but not or hooded lugs, but not really.
Everett Yeah, not, not, not hooded.
Andrew It, it, it is so cool. This, this is a watch that I have come very close to purchasing on several occasions. Reason number one for me is that I have found probably 50 of these watches for under $200 with Arabic date wheels.
Everett Yeah, this one's $105. So the one I'm looking at $105 and it says it's got it at a $28.79. Yeah.
Andrew And I don't think that's actually accurate because the 6309 is a really well known Seiko movement. It's a 6309 and a 6306, right? Right. Those cousins that were just workhorses during this period.
Everett and it's
Andrew I think this is an important piece of Seiko history, and this is a really affordable way to get into a watch that you know is going to continue to be reliable, and have that part of this... It's got a really modern fashion cue to it. Square watches are kind of coming back. This sort of reminds me of the brew watch.
Everett That's exactly what I thought when I pulled this thing up.
Andrew Really soft curves to a square watch. And I can't say that John at Brew drew design cues from this watch, but this is, I think, the era he was pulling watches from when he was designing his very vintage-inspired collection. And this is vintage without looking vintage. This looks like a modern watch.
Everett Do you call this a TV dial? Is that what you call this?
Andrew I think it would have to be. It looks like a boob tube.
Everett You said boob. I said tube. And boob.
Andrew But there's dozens of variations of this. The one that we both have up is a black dial, no numerals. I've seen it with numerals. I've seen green dials. I've seen blue dials. I've seen gold dials. You're going to get them in all variations of conditions. But this is, just from the pictures, looks pretty good condition for a buck 05, which is Incidentally, what freedom costs and it's got an Arabic date wheel. I've seen a lot with, I've seen Kanji date wheels and Arabic date wheels, and then, and then English date wheels on these, um, a really cool option to dip your toes into reliable vintage watches.
Everett Really cool choice. What's the size on this guy?
Andrew Uh, size is a 38, 38, and it's kind of a square 36, 36. So it's going to wear every bit of 36, but it's, it's going to be perfectly sized. 20 millimeter lugs on it.
Everett And it's square, right? So it's a 36 is a little bit misleading. It's going to be, it's going to be bigger than that.
Andrew Yeah. It'll feel closer to like, to like a 38.
Everett I love the fucking bracelet on this thing.
Andrew Oh, it's, it is gotta be so jangly and money.
Everett Yeah. I'm into it, dude. Yeah. I'm into it. Did you, is this the one you ordered?
Andrew I almost did.
Everett Okay. This is cool.
Andrew This is really cool. I've hovered over the, the buy now. button several times.
Everett Are you ready? Are you ready?
Andrew Also, it's not rare. The listing says rare. It's not rare. I've found a bunch of these on OfferUp. These are everywhere, and they're all affordable.
Everett Are you ready to have your mind blown, Andrew? Try me. I want you to get your Google fingers ready. Google fingers? I think the best way to do this is go to eBay.com. eBay.com. And I want you to search. I don't think you've ever heard of this, and I've never heard of this.
Andrew I don't think you've ever heard of this.
Everett I want you to.
Andrew Oh, that's not why I'm search.
Everett I want you to type Zodiac, Zodiac, Zodiac. Astro digit.
Andrew I have I looked at this today.
Everett Yep. Holy fudge.
Andrew The the are you looking thinking the the LCD? Yes.
Everett So the LCD digital chronograph, the Zodiac LCD digital chronograph. Now these things vary in price based on condition, operability, et cetera, et cetera. But generally speaking, I'm seeing these things sell from anywhere to anywhere from about $350 to
Andrew 650, 750. So are we looking at the one with a full, like kind of the same TV screen, LCD screen, or are we looking at the one that's almost like the, uh, Computron?
Everett I'm less inclined. I'm less inclined to, to like the Computron one. Um, so, so there's not actually any really good ones on, on, on eBay, right this moment at this email. Uh, but why don't you Google it now?
Andrew Yeah, so I'm looking at the zodiac astrodigit.
Everett I need a there because there's a there's a lot of iterations of it So if you go to image search if you go to image search There is one that looks a little bit like a Casio a little bit like a Casio. It's got sort of a silver Dial with a cutout with like a window in the cutout.
Andrew I found one on a crater for 40 bucks and
Everett Uh, so look at the chronograph, look at the chronograph. It doesn't have a black dial. Instead. It's got a, instead it's got a silver dial with sort of a clear cutout. F91W.
Andrew Point to it. Oh yeah. Okay. Okay.
Everett Okay. Sort of a F91W or whatever the, I can't remember, A158, whatever the 158. Um, whatever that, so it feels like that, but it's a Zodiac. It's a Zodiac and it's got a super crisp display. I've never seen it before. I've never seen this before.
Andrew So the caliber, it says it's the ESA 942711. And the only reason I'm saying that is because this, the AstroDigit has had like a shitload of iterations and it doesn't seem to be of one trajectory. It seems it's gone every which way and the AstroDigit has like analogs. in the midst of it, but this is cool.
Everett Right? I like it. And so I actually don't know anything about these watches, nothing. I almost didn't include it because I was like, I'm not going to be able to learn about these watches today. But then I was like, this is kind of what we do, right? And it would be fun to just sort of discover a watch together a little bit. It's Zodiac, so it's Swiss, right? Yeah. It's a known quantity. A known quantity, exactly. I'm freaking into these things, man. It's funny we both looked at an AstroDigit today. Like how much more hipster am I than you? You've got a $13 Casio. I've got a $700 Swiss Digital that does the exact same thing, probably a little bit less well.
Andrew And you have a mustache. And you drink your coffee in moose form. You're all the hipster. Now all you need is a top knot.
Everett This is like hipster level 11.
Andrew Yeah. I'm going to have a top knot soon. It's coming, dude. This is like hipster level that hipsters can't even afford to do. Your artisanal butcher can't afford this watch.
Everett Where do you buy this watch?
Andrew eBay. I want it. Yeah. That's right. There's got to be like less than a thousand of them less. So I have a circulation.
Everett I have a reference. No, I don't have a reference. But what I do have is a name. So it's the Zodiac Astrodigit LCD Chronograph with the ESA 942711 movement. I already read that.
Andrew We got to hurry.
Everett Drink another beer. We don't have to hurry, we take as much time as we want. Andrew, next watch, go.
Andrew Okay, you ready for this? No. I'll pause for effect. We have the 1970s. Vintage, obviously, it's from 1970s. Citizen Chronograph Bullhead.
Everett This, I know this watch. The Octagon. I know this watch. This is the watch that Brad Pitt
Andrew war in the uh in in the the leo movie the the what uh what's its name uh uh hollywood oh i didn't watch it holly what's the movie once upon a time in hollywood once upon a time in hollywood so this is a bullhead chronograph for those of you unfamiliar a bullhead chronograph has your pushers and crowns In the 11, 12, 1 position, as opposed to the 3, 6, or 3, 5, 4 position. No, 1, 3, 4 position. There we go.
Everett Just whatever numbers you want to say, you say your numbers, Boo.
Andrew Instead of 3, 6, 9, whatever. We're just saying numbers. So we've got a bullhead chronograph, the octagon, and this is an octagon. It's called the octagon because it has an octagonal case. Yeah. Bullhead chronograph movement. It's got a the chronograph itself is nothing special the dial looks Every bit of modern citizen. Mm-hmm, which is it's interesting that in in What 50 years? Citizen hasn't changed their design languages. Yeah, their DNA is exactly the same the The six o'clock sub dial is your day date, which is cool as shit
Everett And it's laid out vertically, right?
Andrew Yeah, it is super cool. So you've got a three and nine o'clock chronograph function. The one I have pulled up is a white dial. It's got an internal tachometer. And I, I just love this watch. I, this is, this is a watch that if it again, looks so modern. If, if Citizen were, were to release this today, it wouldn't look out of place. You can find these for about 300 money. I have this one pulled up, uh, for 299 money and it's, it's super cool. Another option to dip your toes into vintage world and, and know you're going to be able to have a very serviceable, very functional watch.
Everett So, uh, what's the movement in these?
Andrew You know, it's, it's hard to find stuff like that on the eBay. This one says a two three J automatic caliber eight one one zero a. So an on an automatic movement in any event.
Everett Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew I mean, 300 bucks for a Japanese automatic chronograph.
Everett Yeah. That's pretty, that's pretty phenomenal.
Andrew And this is in really good condition. It's got vertical brushing on the, uh, on the case, hooded lugs. I bet that bracelets got to be something else.
Everett Yeah. Super, super sort of flat jangly bracelet. These are cool. You know, I do see a little bit of a spread in terms of prices on these.
Andrew So anywhere from three to nine, I think was the nine was the highest I saw.
Everett Yeah. Which is, I mean, anywhere in there, super reasonable.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett And Brad Pitt did wear these.
Andrew Did Brad Pitt wore this one? He wore the 8110. Well, I'm going to buy it, and I'm going to market it as Brad Pitt wore this one in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
Everett The Brad Pitt watch? I think his was gold. I'm pretty sure his was plated gold in the movie.
Andrew That tracks.
Everett Yeah. Well, in any event, they're freaking cool. They're freaking cool watches, and maybe sort of a little bit of a hidden gem. I think so.
Andrew I don't know if I love a bullhead layout, but- I don't know that I do either, but think of how much easier it is to manipulate a bullhead than a traditional chronograph. Sure. In the way of your wrist action twist. For me, it feels pretty convenient because I can just reach over and my normal claw grip Actuate my chronograph, but for you all you have to like wrench your right wrist around.
Everett What do you mean you people?
Andrew I mean exactly what you what it sounds like all y'all righties You have to you know wrench your kill rat around And and actuate your chronograph or wrench it the other way and use it your use your thumb Do you actuate your chronograph with your thumb or your forefinger? Mmm forefinger
Everett Uh, no, that's, so I, I do the start stop with my, with my pointer finger. I do a reset with my thumb. Oh, interesting. Super. Everybody's going to be fascinated by that fact.
Andrew Question of the week. Hit us up with your answers. Everett, what's your next watch go?
Everett Next watch. Okay. So this is a late entry, uh, because I was kind of struggling to find something interesting enough. And, uh, you know, Instagram, what a glorious place.
Andrew I have you beat just for the record.
Everett What do you mean?
Andrew Well, my next watch.
Everett Oh, but we only have three watches, so you're done.
Andrew No, I have a brand and three watches.
Everett Uh, so my next watch is the Universal Geneve. Okay. Universal's Geneve, uh, the rail router. Now the rail router, there's a couple of different iterations. There's a couple of different iterations, but these were watches designed for Canadian Railroad, the Canadian Pacific Railroad, or CPR, and the Canadian National Railroad, or CNR. They have exacting standards, they're mechanical watches, and they had to come to a certain standard. So these come in a few different iterations. Are they chronometers? No. Well, yes, but generally no. This is a 35.5 millimeter by either 44 or 45, so a pretty compact watch, not a naturally modern-sized watch in any of them. So a smaller, more traditionally-sized watch But they have a couple of different movements. So they've got a 1205 movement, most of them have this 1205 movement, which is sort of this high end movement, I don't know a ton about its mechanical hacking, hacking movement. Also, some of these come with a 65 movement, maybe a little less special, and I'm not sure why, but someone could tell us I'm sure you could just read about them. But generally speaking, they're called the the RR 1205. Now the ones designed for the Canadian Pacific Railroad, or CPR or CP, have a 12 at the top because CP standards said you had to have a 12 at the top. The ones designed for the Canadian National Railroad, CM, oftentimes have a zero at the top. And it looks really cool. It looks really cool.
Andrew I like that. I really like the Boulevard Accutrons designed for the same purpose.
Everett Same, same application, same time. Yeah. Uh, and they're pretty ubiquitous. Right. But I found these anywhere from 500 to a thousand in, in pretty good shape. Now you asked about a chronometer. They exist. Yeah, they exist, but they are very expensive. Yeah. They are very, very expensive. I mean, probably, probably 2,500 base model for one and not great shape. So if you're, Yeah, that's right. So they get, I mean, the prices are really, uh, a lot more if you want the chronometer and maybe you do, and that's not a problem either, but for 600 bucks, you can get into a non chronometer. Uh, which for me, practically speaking, I mean, we're talking about the J on the Seiko, you know, I don't fucking care. Right. Yeah. Um, you know, it's special because it's, it is that thing as opposed to because of anything it does. Not, not a judgment, not a judgment to whatever you want to do. And I'd love to have a chronometer, but for me at 600 bucks, I'm probably not going to, I'm not going to get the chronometer. I'm going to get one of these standard 1205s. There's also the unisonics, which came later in there. I think they're 52 dash zero. I don't know anything about those, but sort of the same line, but universal Geneve Canadian railroad watches called the rail router. And they're sort of power poll router cases, I think.
Andrew which um yeah cool andrew andrew my are you there i'm listening and i'm ready for my last watch sorry i i found a watch during my google search for that watch and it's a longine dual time also made for the railroad right i was looking up how much that costed i haven't found a cost yet but i'm sure it's prohibitive
Everett So there are there are universal needs the same sort of railroad rail router format that have all that that will cover two time zones. Also very expensive. Hard to find.
Andrew But fuck, if you can find one of those, how cool you should buy it, because then you can sell it for more. Yes. Buy it. Buy it. So my last up and I think is I think is probably the coolest watch of the day. It was Rado Golden Horse.
Everett All right, maybe. Hold on. Yeah, no search. I'm searching. Rattlegoldenhorse automatic. Obviously not a new one.
Andrew No, not a new one. Okay. A automatic dress watch coming in at 18 millimeter lugs and a 34 and a half millimeter case.
Everett Bro, these are awesome.
Andrew These are Money. This, I think, is the perfect dress watch. 34 and a half case. Super clean dial with just a splash of color in the date wheel. I love that fucking red date wheel. Or, not the date wheel. The numerals on the date wheel are red. You've got the red, like the kind of burgundy Rado logo. A weird, not horse kind of Phoenix-y looking golden horse logo at the six o'clock. This thing is terrific. The lugs on it are perfect. The, the proportion between the case size and lugs is great. I found this watch today for the first time and said, I must have one. I found them in ranging in price from like three and a quarter. to like $500 different color ways. You've got a gold case with gold hands. You've got a silver on silver. There's a, uh, a blue on. So a blue dial for 150 money right now on the Amazon or on the, on the eBay, the case looks a little banged up, but this thing is so good applied indices. Great domed, uh, domed crystal. I don't know if it's Sapphire.
Everett It sort of seems a little bit to me like, um, like a, uh, Seamaster30. Yeah. Uh, married a, uh, OP and had a baby.
Andrew Yeah. And the, so the, this posting showing it's from the sixties, I, I didn't find, not because I didn't look, but I didn't find. the the era that these were produced but these are money so good such a great size for a dress watch perfect design for a dress watch really modern aesthetics somehow from a 1960s watch and it's it's coming from a company that we all know it's coming from rotto who doesn't want to have a rotto i want a rotto yeah And you can have one for three and a quarter.
Everett Cool, man. Really cool.
Andrew That's why I say I thought I won with this one.
Everett You may have won. I still think the Zodiac Astro Digit pretty cool. The Zodiac's pretty money. I still think that's pretty cool. So I do want to do something here because we reached out to you guys. We reached out to you guys as we sometimes do as we're want to do. and sort of put it to the crowd and you guys, you guys responded, man. I don't know how we do this anymore. Right? So I'm just, I I've taken some of these and I'm just going to burn them off. Okay. Are you ready?
Andrew Do me.
Everett So it tells the time says Omega Seamaster or King Seiko, both great, great choices. We've talked about them both on the show. So I think we were kind of trying to do something fun. Um, at, chef underscore lizzie framova says hi 40 and 20 random but you might really like healthy food we love healthy food we never talk about it because no one enjoys healthy food she spammed us all right chef lizzie framova you know what lizzie eat it eat all your kale and we'll eat ribs uh darren tiffany says anything ug oh The Watch Dad says Omega Seamaster DeVille. Yeah, but everyone knows that. You literally said Omega Seamaster DeVille.
Andrew I know, but everyone knows that. That's just the one I picked out. I just said Vintage Omega.
Everett My Man Geekster says Bulova Accutron Tuning Fork Movement. Hell yes. We've talked about these on the show. We've got a whole episode attributed to that. I never know how to say this name, but E-I-K-0-P-H. I think Akoff, maybe? Uh, King Seiko, of course. Yeah. Brodenky, my man, says CWCG10 and W10. We kind of talked about that a little bit.
Andrew A little bit.
Everett Uh, Brad Hall says, like your feed. Thanks, man. Thanks, Brad. Uh, aggressive timing habits. This is how he does. So, yeah. Yeah. So he says, King Seiko 44-9990. Then he says, Omega Constellation, screw the pie pan, go with the 712 movement. Then he says, Black or blue dial, Seiko Poke. Then he says Seiko Bellmatic. And then he says, actually all manner of vintage alarm watches. Couldn't agree more. Yeah. Matt Raft says, don't have any experience with them, but the CWC G10 field watches are pretty cool and they're on sale. And that's true, right? Uh, you can always find sales on these stuff. I went with the Pulsar G10 personally, right? You know, put your money where your mouth is. Um, But I think CWC is a great choice too. Orion says literally anything. If you travel back in time, five years, five years ago, $200 pole routers and $500 tutors. So not practical advice, but an interesting and interesting, you know, we love Nick and that's totally true, right?
Andrew Five years ago, imagine those fucking assholes buying tutors at MSRP and are now sitting on $5,000 watches.
Everett Zane Cook says Grunk Precision. Ooh. Um, Brew, uh, our man John Ferrer at Brew says Bulova and Mido.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett I Cortman, good dude. One of our favorites says Hamilton T101 in solid 14 karat gold. I don't know what those go for, but that is a dope watch. And if you can find one of those for, I don't know, anything under... I don't even know. If you can find one of those for a reasonable price, get it. You'll never regret it. alias.stevedan says, King Seiko. Yes. Yes. Although I'm sort of inclined to say that the Grand Seiko or the Grand Seikos of that era are a little bit more special. I'm also all on board with King Seiko. Phillip Ben Davis, some Seiko 6139, 6106, 6119, and if you're lucky, 6117. So obviously couldn't get to all of these because there's too many, but that's kind of where we stopped collecting information. Thank you guys for responding. I think that sort of rounds out what we do here, right? We don't talk about those in detail, but two or three minutes to just jam on some watches, pretty fun.
Andrew That's a good lineup. They did better than us.
Everett The T101 might win the night. How much are they? Are you finding one?
Andrew I'm not finding one in solid 14 karat, which means they are expensive.
Everett Let's see. We'll have to see if we can find one. Have to see if we can find one. Okay, Andrew. Andrew. Other thing. Other thing. Go.
Andrew We started watching a new Netflix show. Shocking. I know. It's called Kim's Convenience.
Everett So good.
Andrew It is terrific. It is such a feel good comedy. The only issue I take with it is I can't decide if it's racist or if I'm racist. Both. Certainly both. I, and I'm, I'm, I'm willing to accept that that's the, that's the outcome. So it is a Canadian sitcom from CBC. It came out in 2016 and it is the story of a Korean family who owns a convenience store in Toronto. For everyone who says Toronto, you're wrong. My wife says Toronto with a real hard second T it's Toronto. They're in Toronto. They own a convenience store. They live above it. They have adult children. And it is a sitcom around the family drama of immigrant parents, first-generation Canadian children, and the business that is their convenience store that they own and operate. And it is hysterical.
Everett Hysterical.
Andrew Totally funny. I've watched episodes alone. and laughed out loud alone and that's that's the sign of of good humor is when you can laugh by yourself it is family friendly for like kids over like even it's family-ish friendly i would watch it with my 10 year old or north there's the segment with the like the the
Everett The butt poke, right? Where the friend gets mad because his friend pokes him in the butt. He didn't poke him in the butt, he checked his oil. And then the boss is like, that sounds intriguing and terrible and don't do it.
Andrew Yeah, but see, I think that joke will be missed by the ten-year-old crowd. Yes, perhaps. The checking of the oil would be fully understood by the ten-year-old crowd. Fair, fair. So I think they do a really good job balancing the Uh, the adult humor with the family humor. Sure. It's generally pretty clean. It's it just, it shows the, the struggle of this family. Who's first generation born in Canada versus their, their immigrant parents. And it, I love this show. It's terrific.
Everett Lovely choice. Yeah. I support it.
Andrew Check it out on the Netflix y'all on the flicks. Yeah.
Everett I got a TV episodes. I got a TV show too. I think we've talked about this TV show a number of times. Yeah, we have. Like maybe like, I think this is like the 17th mention on, on 40 and 20. Only topped by Game of Thrones. Perhaps, perhaps. So, uh, season three of Westworld just wrapped. I watched the last episode last night. Um, the, the, the season three season finale premiered last night.
Andrew I wish Westworld had really lived up to the hype of being the show to replace Game of Thrones.
Everett I mean, that's sort of an unfair, it's just unfair, right? They're different.
Andrew They're different, but it didn't replace Game of Thrones in the way of viewership and the way of the way it drew everyone in. It wasn't the great equalizer the way Game of Thrones was. Everyone likes Game of Thrones. I've talked to transients who like Game of Thrones.
Everett I don't even know how they watch it. Literally. Transients.
Andrew Yes. Literal people who don't have electricity. They sleep in tents.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. You know, so it's maybe doesn't have the mass appeal. And, uh, and, and I would be lying if I said it was as good. It's not, I don't think it's, it's as good. Uh, but it's a totally different thing. So I think really it's unfair to compare them. It is totally engrossing, totally intriguing. The writing on it is very good. Um, they play hide the ball. a little bit too much for me. I wish that the story was given to you a little bit more straightforward. And I think for a lot of people, my wife included, this third season was frustrating for a number of reasons. One, it is a extreme departure from the setting of season one and then season two even, right? Season one is sort of enclosed in the park season two you're sort of more in this uh the headquarters at the park right well season three you're in the world you're not at the park except for you know maybe less than uh 20 or 30 minutes the whole yeah the first episode you're not in the park the first episode yeah you are they're showing the they're showing the aftermath of season two
Andrew Sure. And that's really it in the way of. That's right.
Everett That's right. And then you're in and then you're in the world, right? You're you're in the real world and quote unquote real world. But so I think it was different in a number of ways. The character development takes a hard left. So so what you know about these characters changes. It's it's a moving target. And that's purposeful. Right. But they're developing on the souls. They're developing on these brains. which is
Andrew It's been a two year build up though. I mean, that's the problem is that 10 minutes later is not putting out content at the pace to keep you interested.
Everett Well, I mean, it just takes too long to produce something like this. I mean, they're producing something at a completely epic level. It's unreasonable to think they could do this every year.
Andrew Then they don't need to do it at the epic level that they're doing it at. Yes, they do.
Everett Yes, they do. That's what makes it good, man. And anyway, so 10 minutes later, after saying to my wife, yeah, a little disappointing. I was like, I fucking loved it, man. So nothing happens in that last 10 minutes that is crazy but they they pulled it together emotionally uh logically uh with with just a touch of intrigue they didn't hide all the balls but they they hid enough to make me like excited to want to know now oh gosh now what we're having and there's one scene in particular where there's this time passage so bernard who's one of the bernard slash arnold who's one of the the sort of everybody's favorite character. I think, yeah, kind of goes into the computer, goes into the computer, kind of passes out and comes back. The next time we see him, it's a long time later, a long time later, the next time you see him and it's like, Oh, what happened? And it, it hooked me. So, um, I'm into it. They grabbed me back to the extent that they even lost me a little bit. I'm gonna watch it. I love it. I love what happens. I love the dynamics. Fantastic. They did a really good job wrapping it up. If you're watching it thinking, this isn't going anywhere. I don't know where they're going. They don't answer all the questions, but it's not like lost, right? You're not just sort of flopping in a puddle, trying to figure out where your pants are. It's less distant than that. But there's that same sort of level of, what the fuck?
Andrew I watched another show very similar to Lost. I don't remember the name of it. It was just a single season. We might have even talked about it. Oh, I Land. I hyphen Land. It was like a Lost wannabe and they created a lot of questions with no intention of answering them. That's the game plan for Lost, truly. Yeah, you've read the interviews with the writers that are like, oh yeah, we just threw shit in to see if people would bite on it. We had no intention of answering that question.
Everett The polar bear, the smoke, the smoke, the cloud monster.
Andrew Oh, Jesus. And you know, I watched All of Lost. I watched it after it was over.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew And I watched it and could not, like, couldn't stop because they were genius in the way that they grabbed my, like, my inherent curiosity. And I couldn't stop. And then when it was over, I was like, well, I'm still curious.
Everett You know, Lost was a moment in time, right? It was a moment in time. We were figuring out what television should be. And I think history will judge Lost for its incoherent, intangible plot. But it was fun. You can't take that away from it. No, no, no, no. I loved it. It was fun. Every moment was fun, you know? But sort of in the same way that True Blood was fun, right? It's like...
Andrew Uh, you know, like, where are we going while you're watching it? That's true. And the weirder it gets, you're like, man, this is getting weird. But, and, and so I've never watched, uh, I watched about half of season one in normal life. I watched the entirety of the series while I was deployed. And the, the things you'll watch when you're deployed or you'll watch whatever's available, just anything to pass time.
Everett Andrew, do you have anything else that you have to talk about today? Because they're going to get mad at us.
Andrew I'm just going to say True Blood is worth watching, but you're not going to enjoy it after season one. We've come full circle. You'll love the theme song, though. I love the theme song.
Everett It's a good one.
Andrew It's a good one. We do need to wrap this thing up, though.
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