Episode 71 - The Objectively Best Diver Under $500

Published on Wed, 04 Mar 2020 22:38:00 -0800

Synopsis

The podcast hosts Andrew and Everett discuss their objectively best dive watches under $500. They go through an in-depth rubric scoring system that evaluates various aspects like water resistance, size, movement, bracelet, aesthetics, durability, lume, and an "X factor." After some honorable mentions, their top picks are the Notice Sector Dive and the EMG Nemo, which they analyze in great detail praising the design, specs, and value proposition of each watch. They also briefly discuss some other things like Andrew's experience installing recessed lighting, and Everett's recommendation of the show "Hunters" on Amazon Prime.

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Speaker
Andrew	Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. This is the 40 in 20 podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett	I'm doing well. And that is all. And that's all. Yeah. Okay. How are you?
Andrew	Very good. We've got some Pendleton Midnight sitting in front of us.
Everett	Yeah. Sent to us by a fan of the show.
Andrew	Yeah. A true fan.
Everett	A true fan.
Andrew	One of our parents. Uh, good man. I, uh, well, obviously it's, it's Monday night. We usually record on Sundays, but I texted you yesterday afternoon kind of pleading like, can we please record tomorrow? Um, cause I was hanging recessed lights and I installed it. So I have two banks installed and I get the first bank installed, run the light switch. It works. There's no fire. There's no shorts. I'm like, fuck yeah, America. I run the second bank. It works. Fuck yeah, America. I get my wife back there into the room and be like, look at all these lights I turn on. And only the second bank is working at this point. Oof. And I could not. And I'm like, I'm at a loss because I generally understand running wiring. The challenge when you're running wiring in a house that's already built and has gone through numerous iterations of other people doing work on it is people don't always schematic things in ways that make sense. Like they run wire in like just the way they decided to. And maybe my house in particular, there has been a lot of shortcuts that I've uncovered. rather than try to troubleshoot it last night anymore. I just gave up, thought about all the things that I could have potentially done wrong and just, just gave it up. I had just no more, no more to give for the day.
Everett	So that's it. That's it for the day. No, no more wiring will be done today.
Andrew	So I fixed it this morning. It was a pretty minor.
Everett	Was it the kind of thing you like sort of turned it back on in the morning and you were like, okay, do this again, make it right. And then it was just like, okay, I got it.
Andrew	I know. So I, I went in this morning and I was like, all right, we're just going to start troubleshooting like I would any other fault because this worked. So I started at the power source and over the course of running the second bank of lights, I had jarred loose the, the wiring in the first bank.
Unknown	Uh-huh.
Andrew	So, but rather, cause if I had, if I had tried to do that last night, I would have been cutting wires and splicing shit together just to solve the problem.
Everett	Sometimes it's better just to sort of take a breath. Yep.
Andrew	So take a breath, have a beer. That's exactly what I did. So this morning, got it working. All my lights are up. That room is put together. I still have to do some trim work from a previous project where I did some damage to some trim, but as it stands, my room is complete.
Everett	Fantastic. I feel good about it. Fantastic. That's a really wonderful feeling.
Andrew	It is. So I'm still a little bit riding the high of accomplishment today. And Pendleton Midnight.
Everett	And Opium.
Andrew	Because why not? You know, America.
Everett	Because why not? You know, Oxy's cheap. Very. I don't think it is.
Andrew	I don't think any drugs are cheap. That's the crazy part. That's why you get to like break into people's cars and steal their sunglasses and shit. Drugs are expensive. Yeah. I can't afford that habit.
Everett	I have a mortgage. Right. Yeah. No, I've been, I've been, I've been good. You know, weekends have just been, Nice. Weekends have been nice. I've been really owning weekends and not just me, but the family. We've just been really owning weekends, which is, you know, I say that, uh, as opposed to, you know, letting the weekends just sort of happen. Uh, we've been really deliberate about, you know, a downtime, be active time, you know, what, what are we doing today? Um, but you know, also, also, like I said, downtime, right. Really sort of owning downtime. and being deliberate about it, and it's been nice. You know, I find that the more productive I am Monday through Friday, right, as an owner, as a business owner, if I don't, you know, if I don't work, you know, my income is a direct, a direct feedback of my productivity in any given month. Um, you know, there's some, there's some friction in between me and the money. Right. But, uh, so when I'm, when I go in, when I go into work and I spend, you know, five, six, seven hours working on a daily basis, and then I come home, a bunch of things happen. One, you know, my, my list, you know, unless, unless it's just crazy, which happens sometimes, but my list is sort of. gotten smaller, hopefully, or at least not gotten bigger. Right. And I'm owning that list, right? I know what's on there. I've sort of, you know, of course, stuff gets pushed and stuff gets moved, but I at least have ownership over it versus, you know, some days I go in and I just don't get anything done and I don't even look at my list and then the list kind of morphs and I'm not tracking it. So anyway, all that to say, just being deliberate about my goings on. makes me so, uh, uh, at peace.
Andrew	Yeah. It's real. It's almost relaxing. I mean, it makes, it makes your to-do list look a lot more manageable.
Everett	You know, and it, and it makes the, it makes this sort of in between times, you know, it's really hard to relax when you don't know what you're not doing. Yep. Uh, if that makes sense. I get really stressed out when I, when I don't know. So it's, you know, I can, I can not think about it. But it's, I'm just. It's always in the back of your head. That's right. I'm not thinking about it, but I'm, but I'm actively not thinking about it versus, you know, really able to just leave it. So yeah, it's been good. Uh, work has been deliberate. Uh, downtime has been deliberate and I've really had a good disconnect, which is so, that's such an intangible sort of, uh, ambiguous thing to talk about, but it's really, I've had this just very whole, uh, and structured feeling to my life, which has been nice.
Unknown	Congrats.
Everett	Thanks. Thanks. Also, I saw an eBay today. Oh boy.
Andrew	I'm not going to, I'm not, I'm not going to, I'm not going to, I wouldn't, I would, I would wait until after the bidding is complete.
Everett	I am just going to say, I'm just going to say I saw a thing on eBay today that is perfect. Perfect. And It made me excited. It made me excited. It's the type of thing that, you know, time will tell and who knows, but I was, it was just this like, Ooh, Ooh. And so I'm not going to make the mistake that I sometimes make, which is to just put my bid in, you know, well, I I'm willing to pay up to this. So I'm just going to put that in because then, you know, then you could overpay. You know, bidders are like steelhead, too. You know, if you continue to dangle something in front of them, they'll get irritated and bite.
Andrew	So if you dangle something for me, I'm going for it.
Everett	That's right. So I'm going to wait. I'm going to I'm going to do it right. I may even I may even pay a sniper sniping service. Oh, yeah. I think that's a thing you can do. I say that. I say that like I know what the fuck I'm talking about. I have zero clue what that means or how to effectuate that.
Andrew	And if it doesn't exist already, we could build one. My full-time job, I'll just sit on eBay on your behalf and just add whatever the minimum additional bid amount is.
Everett	I think you... Well, like I said, I don't have any clue. I think you need some sort of automated thing to do it.
Andrew	I think we can find somebody to do that.
Everett	Yeah. Somebody, if you have a sniping service. When we publish, so we'll publish... Thursday. It'll still be up.
Andrew	So next week, we'll talk about what happened and the results. I did a thing today. Tell me. I bought a Q Timex. There is no Timex Now option available through online ordering, so I do have to wait three to six business days to get this thing in my hands. But there is a Q Timex addressed to me and on its way, sort of, to my home. I'm pretty excited about it. On its way, sort of. I loved it. I was a little impulsive. was building out my list for today's topic and saw it. And I saw in stock 179 money. And I said, you know what? You work hard.
Everett	I have 179 money.
Andrew	You deserve this. So I purchased a Q Timex today in the OG coloring. I didn't get the blue and gold, even though I went back and forth a couple of times trying to decide. I did go the Pepsi. So I'm excited.
Everett	I think it's a great choice. You know, a lot of people are talking about this new automatic Q Timex. Not Q Timex, obviously. Right. Because Q. Yeah. Anyway, A Timex. What is it called? M Timex. M?
Andrew	I don't know. M. Probably the Timex M. I don't know.
Everett	I haven't looked. M79? M. That's not an M. No.
Andrew	69? Perhaps.
Everett	Whatever. The new one. The black one with the, you know. Yeah. When that came out, people were kind of down you know, oh, it's a little bigger, the bezel's fat and ugly, it's a Miota 8000, and I was like, eh, people fucking suck.
Andrew	People- Meanwhile, people went fucking berserk over the Q Timex.
Everett	Everybody hates everything, but then I started, you know, then I watched Adrian's video, Barkajack's video on it, and I was like, yeah, he makes some good points, and then I read a little bit more, and I listened to somebody talk about it on their Timex. It must have been Scottish Watches. Who was it that talked about it? Somebody talked about it. I was like, yeah, I'm convinced, that's a turd. It's a turd.
Andrew	I think that I, Timex is dipping their foot back in the in the real mechanical world. And they are just been a bust for them. They are because they're going to have some bombs this year. As we predicted, they're going to they're going to fucking blow it up this year.
Everett	Yeah, I think that's right. I think that's right. And like with any big company, they're going to release some turds.
Andrew	Oh, they have to.
Everett	That's their job. This one's a turd. Yeah. They got to stop fucking releasing Mio to 8000. I don't know, man. The Mio to 8000 is such a turd. Turd.
Andrew	Turd, turd, turd, turd, turd, turd, turd. They'll get there. They'll catch up to the market. Most people don't care, though. The market, the segment of the market that cares is not who they're fishing after. Twelve people. Yeah. Yeah. It's all of our listeners.
Everett	Right. Right.
Andrew	You know, oh, was it the... Not even all of our listeners, because our parents are listeners. Right. Some of our listeners.
Everett	That's right. That's right. So... Uh, we're talking about watches. We are. We're talking about watches today. Uh, this stuff, this is an episode that people have asked for. It is. It's an episode that people have asked for. This is, we're going to revisit our objectively best watch rubric, uh, to determine the objectively best dive watch 40 and 20 style. So reminder.
Andrew	Yep. Here it is. Here's the rubric.
Everett	We developed a rubric for determining the objectively best watch. And it's trademarked. And it's TM.
Unknown	Yep.
Everett	TM. Uh, and so that rubric has some elements to it. That rubric has some elements to it. So the elements are one.
Andrew	Well, it's a rubric. It obviously has elements.
Everett	Water, water resistance, one water resistance. So this is an interesting score. Uh, so, so water resistance is out of 11.
Unknown	Yep.
Everett	Out of 11. And that's not a Spinal Tap preference. But it is rather, um, it is rather an indication that water resistance over a hundred, over a hundred meters for most people, for the way we wear watches and the way most people wear watches, water resistance over a hundred meters is by and large diminishing return, diminishing returns. So one point for every 10 meters of water resistance, up to 110 meters of water resistance, which I've never seen a watch that has 110 meters.
Andrew	I don't know why we chose that.
Everett	I think it just made sense to us. We were like, this makes sense, right? Yeah. So 100 meters of water resistance is a 10. Anything greater than 100 is 11. Piece of cake, right? 50 is a 5. Makes sense. 10 is 1. Size, size. Now we changed this up for this because we realized there's maybe a problem with our size score. It used to be that a 39 millimeter watch was a perfect score of a 10. And then for every millimeter, no, for every half a millimeter away from 39, you lost a point. But what we found is.
Andrew	We need a little grace there. We need a little squish.
Everett	That's right. We were, we were both, especially today, we're talking about dive watches, the objectively best dive watch. And we decided, you know, some of these watches are getting, A, penalized unnecessarily, and B, excessively penalized, right?
Andrew	So, you know... The SKX was the best example that we could come up with today.
Everett	That's right. That's right. You know, there's no reason for that to be getting a 2 or a 4 or whatever it was it got. It was getting a 4. So what we did, we kept the scoring system the same, but we widened the 10. So now, Instead of just a 39 millimeter watch, getting a 10, anything between 38 and a half and 40 and a half. Case width. Case width, which we know that's not the be all end all, but anything between 38 and a half and 40 and a half is a 10. And then as you go away from that by half millimeter increments, you lose a point. Movement, simple enough, movement out of 10 points. Yeah. What do we think of the movement? Shoes. Shoes. This is Andrew's name for this category, but strap, bracelet. Again, out of 10. Aesthetics or look? Out of 10. That inherently subjective, you guys. This is a... Durability? Out of 10.
Andrew	Loom? With the durability. So both the durability and aesthetic, those are, I think, our two most subjective categories. Sure. And what I've found is I have incorporated the versatility of the watch and in the way of durability, like, am I willing to wear this watch to turn a wrench, swing a hammer, or go to work?
Everett	And we noticed when we did, I can't remember what watch it was, I think it was just our objectively best watch, that plastic watches, plastic painted watches, you were scoring higher than I was.
Andrew	Because I don't give a fuck about smashing those up.
Everett	And you know, that's that's super durable. And I thought, well, but if you if you wear them, they're going to get scratched and look ugly. So it's not durable. So some flex there.
Andrew	That creates resin patina. Right.
Everett	Loom out of five. And then and then a miscellaneous slash X factor out of five. That's obviously very objective.
Andrew	Super objective. That is the most scientifically measurable category in this.
Everett	Okay. So, uh, Andrew, we we've got some, we've got some sort of honorable mentions.
Andrew	Well, first we should probably announce what we're doing. We're doing the objectively best dive watch under 500 money.
Everett	Oh yeah. Did I not?
Andrew	You sort of mentioned it, but, but you know, we were talking about the rubric and now we're going to announce our episode for the illiterates out there. Please. The objectively best dive watch for under, under 500 money. 500 or under. Yeah.
Everett	Cause 500 would count, right? Yeah.
Andrew	But 501, I cheated a little bit, a little bit, but now we know it's going to be an honorable mention. Okay. Cause it didn't, it didn't score as well as I was hoping it would. And with this rubric, I find that I'm, I'm surprised by some of the watches that do really well. And I look at it against watches, maybe watches that I don't like as much. And I look at watch a watch that I do like. I'm like, how am I going to fudge this to make it score better? Because I like this watch better. And that's, that's the beauty of the objectively best scoring rubric.
Everett	Is that if you want it to be better, you just give it more points.
Andrew	No, I just look at it and be like, Oh, I guess it's not objectively as good as this watch. Yeah. Even though I like it more.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	Yeah. Well, I mean, it just gets, it just gets maxed out X factor points.
Everett	Yeah, that's right. You max it out on X factor. That's really, you know, and aesthetics, right. Which is, you know, for instance, my, my only perfect scores on looks and X factor are the SKX.
Andrew	You know, my only perfect X Factor score is the SKX and it's because of the lore that is associated with it.
Everett	It's just, it is the X Factor, right? Like that's the heraldry, right? It's a golden buzzer. Um, okay. So do you want to do the honors? Honors? Annars?
Andrew	The Annars?
Everett	Do you want to do the Annars and talk about... Who's he? You're considering though. Yeah, I mean, I'm open. Let's talk about Seiko SKX, Orient Kamisumeko, and Invicta ProDiver.
Andrew	We're going to get those out of the way right now. So we have three watches that we need to talk about. Two of them we talk about all the time. They both scored in our top tens. In fact, the SKX is in both of our top fives. But we're not going to devote... The SKX isn't in your top five? No, it's seven. Oh, well, it's in my top five. So regardless of that, we're not going to devote much time, if any, beyond this to the Orient Mako Ray Komasu family, the SKX or the Invicta Pro Diver. But we do need to say the Orient Mako is coming in at 120 money. The Komasu is relatively the same amount. The Ray is in the same amount. And, and this watch at 120 bucks on my, my scoring. lands at a 62. Ev, what's it land at for you?
Everett	Which one?
Andrew	The Orient.
Everett	The Orient. I've got that at a 53, so we've got some pretty big... That's a disparity there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, where does the Kama Su... The Kama Su struggles in a couple places for me. It struggles on size. It struggles a little bit on movement and bracelet. Okay. And bracelet. It really struggles on bracelet for me.
Andrew	But that being said... This is a objectively very high scoring watch. As if we look at that, the 60s are, uh, the, the Saab comes in at what a 66, 64, 66. Yeah. Something like that for you. Uh, the speedy comes in at like a 62, 63 neighborhood. So we're looking at objectively the way it's spec'd the way, the way we like these watches scoring very similar to some very spendy watches. and coming in at very reasonable prices. SKX is in the same category, but now might not be the time to be buying an SKX because they're ringing at about $350, $360 on a bracelet, even though the SKX is absolutely terrific.
Everett	Or counterpoint, this is the time. Yeah, maybe. This is the time. If you want a fucking SKX, they're $350-ish on a bracelet right now. Just don't wait. Don't wait. If you think you want an SKX, the prices are only going up.
Andrew	They were 200 bucks six months ago.
Everett	If you want a new SKX, this is probably the time, which is not to say they're never going to get cheaper. We don't know, you know, stock levels or whatever, but so three watches as you, as you listen through here I don't mean to interrupt you as, as you listen through here, the watches we talk about are different than those watches in some ways. And we are sort of into special enthusiast brand watches. But some people want a mainstream watch. Those three.
Andrew	I do sometimes. And the Invicta ProDiver is the last one, coming in at $78. Dirt cheap. Awesome watch. Great specs on it. You can change the dial out. And you don't have to be rocking the Invicta dial, because that's usually what's most offensive to people.
Everett	And the Instigma or whatever it is, I think the ProDriver escapes that a little bit.
Andrew	So those three, we've talked about them. They are terrific options. Don't think for a second that we didn't talk about them in this conversation.
Unknown	That's right.
Andrew	Now we should move on to all the other cool stuff we have to talk about today.
Everett	Yeah, so we've got some watches that are sort of on our top 10 lists that we're not going to spend a lot of time with, just because this episode could go two, two and a half hours if we did.
Andrew	Several weeks even. Right.
Everett	But I'll start us off with the Glycine Combat Sub. Ooh, yeah. Glycine Combat Sub. So this came in on my list. I think I have this at about a 59, which is a pretty good score. Ranking it at six, so just right off the front page. Um, my highest ranked, uh, big name watch, uh, 200, 200 meters water resistance, 42 millimeters. This has the G L the caliber GL two 24, uh, which is a, which is an ETA. I think it's a 28, 24, uh, base.
Andrew	Yeah, I think so. I think you're right on that.
Everett	I don't remember exactly, but C3 loom Sapphire, uh, legit Swiss watch. Cool as shit. You can get them under $500. I found a bracelet on Amazon with sort of a gray bezel, gray dial on a bracelet, Amazon, for $498. Woo! Cutting it close. Cutting it close.
Andrew	Is it Prime eligible? Yeah. Because otherwise you're pushing over. Yeah.
Everett	Okay. It was Prime. Yeah, it was Prime. Very neat watch. Like it. Love it. Want it. Want it.
Andrew	Andrew next. Let's keep firing. So, first up for me is the Spinnaker Cahill.
Everett	Spinnaker Cahill. Yeah, I can pull that.
Andrew	Pull that because we got pictures of it. So, Spinnaker Cahill coming in at, where's the price? Where did I write it down? 350. 350 money. And it scored for me a 54. which is generally where most of these watches landed in the mid to high 50s, barring these top five that are 60, 61, 62, 63. But what I really liked about this watch is that it has... It's just a little bit different. It's got the sand textured dial. It's got not quite vintage lume, but kind of edging towards vintage lume. I think I would prefer the bezel if it had a dive timer and numerals around it rather than just our marker dots to compliment the kind of SKX looking dial. But I dig that texture on the dial so much. It has a very, um, very skin divery feel. It is not quite the level of versatility that I would want out of a watch. This is just a very sporty, very weekend after work watch. Also could do without the Mercedes hour hand, because that's just not something I dig. 500 meters of water resistance, though? Come on. Yeah. Just a cool watch. Just a fun watch.
Everett	150 meters, 500 feet. Oh, yeah.
Andrew	Yeah. Yeah. Whatever.
Everett	You know, I like the... It's got a glass bezel. I think that's... So cool. Super cool. So good size, Yeah, Spinnaker, I think Spinnaker to me feels a little bit like a mall brand. And when I say mall, I don't mean like fossil or something, because it doesn't feel like that. But I mean more like Gap or Banana Republic, right? It just feels sort of frivolous.
Andrew	A little bit. Yeah.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	So that's why it's just a normal mention, but worth worth taking a look at. If you're if you're in the market for a sub 500 diver, there's a little bit fun. You're looking for a toy, you know, worth taking a peek at.
Everett	Timex Navi XL Automatic. Mm-hmm. Timex Navi. So this is a legit automatic dive watch from Timex.
Andrew	It's also a watch we've talked about a couple times now. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Look at this Timex reappearing.
Everett	It's coming. It's coming. It's happening. So what do we got here? 100 meters of water resistance, 41 millimeters WAD, Mioda 8000 movement, which... We'll get there with them. We'll forgive them. We'll forgive them. Very cool watch. I don't have anything else to say, except that if you're looking for this dive watch, it's something to look at.
Andrew	And the price on them is what? $110? $120? No, a little bit.
Everett	$250. Oh, okay.
Andrew	I thought they were a little bit less. And they have that cool hour hand with the ghost ring. With the window.
Everett	Yeah. That grabs that hour marker. Yeah. Love that. What do you got for honorable mentions?
Andrew	For honorable mention, my last is going to be the Scurfa Bell Diver 1. And this is the watch that I cheat a little bit on. Because it's expensive. Expensive, but it doesn't have to be. So if you're, if you're just going to get this on a, uh, on a fitted rubber bracelet or rubber strap, you're, you're going to be spending, uh, 464 money. If you want both the rubber and the bracelet.
Everett	And these are converted numbers, right? Based on the pound. So the dollar's doing really well versus the pound right now. Um, that could change.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	That could change.
Andrew	Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So by now, by low, by low, by low. Uh, but if you want to get the rubber and the bracelet, it's only 518 bucks. Yeah. So that's why I say I cheated a little bit. Cause if I'm going to get this watch, I'm going to get both. I love that fitted rubber, but I, I also really want the bracelet. If there's a bracelet option, I'm going to get the bracelet option, even though I likely won't ever wear the bracelet. I just want it. I want it. Bracelets are kind of like a, uh, a frivolous thing for me that I, that I just get after. I love the case shape on this watch. The dial design is terrific. It's bold without being ostentatious. Dig it. Super great readability, and it's a legit fucking dive watch.
Everett	We're talking about the Bell Diver 1, too, which is different than the Diver 1. Bell Diver 1 is applied markers, automatic Miota 9015, killer fucking movement. I mean, this is a no shit, best in class type watch.
Andrew	Yeah. And you can actually fucking dive and like, like true to form dive in this watch.
Everett	Made by a diver. Skirt foot watches are, are known in the, you know, well-known in the watch world for being just legit AF dive watches. So, uh, great choice. I will say it bothers me a teensy bit that no one says, hey, this is a sub-homage. In my mind, it's a total sub-homage.
Andrew	It is, but I think what people excuse the sub-homageness is because it's so specifically built for this function. Right. And I'm not anti-sub-homage either. Maybe the design cues are there, but it stands out in the way of it's such a legit tool watch.
Everett	OK, so last honorable mention, I think. Is this our last honorable mention? Tiso.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	The tits out. Seastar 1000. I hate this fucking watch, actually.
Andrew	I looked at it quite a few times and I thought about rating it just so I could be like, yeah, this thing sucks. And I was scared that it would do really well. So I didn't.
Everett	You know, it didn't do poorly. It made my top ten. But, you know. Where did this thing come in? So I have this at a 51. I have this thing at a 51. I gave it I gave it kind of a low score for X Factor because I just don't this brand doesn't excite me. It's huge. It's relatively big. It's not huge, but it's not Invicta big, but it's big. And I just don't love the way it looks. With that said, it's an automatic Swiss dive watch. It's got that power reserve, that 80-hour power reserve, which I know you are not super into, but I think that is a very, very cool feature. So this got actually one of my highest movement scores.
Andrew	I'd just rather courts at that point. It just doesn't do it for me. Right. It's just not like it's just it's such a it's not an ad for you. Yeah.
Everett	It's not an ad for you. Again, we've talked about this before, but I think for a guy who is a one watch guy who maybe doesn't wear a watch on the weekend, the possibility of taking your watch off on Friday, Friday after work and putting it on a Monday morning and not having to screw with it, I think is a really cool uh is a really cool thing but this can't be a one watch but that's not us that's not us no that's not us so i think it could be a one watch i think for lots of guys lots of american guys 21st century guys this could be a one watch easy pass okay so that is that is our honorable mention list i think we've covered top 10 uh generally yeah and so these are not quite honorable mentions they're more top 10 they they count uh
Andrew	The other watches that I looked at today were the Timex Navi Depth, the Q Timex, the Bernhardt Binnacle, and the NWC Diver. All worth taking a look at. None of them scored exceptionally well, but all in the price range we're looking at here.
Everett	Okay, so on to watches we're going to talk about. We're going to give these just a little bit more lip service. Yeah, and they deserve some love here. Just a little bit more lip service. uh number one or this is right you know we're starting from the bottom we're going to go up we're going to finish with the bang this is sort of uh i think this one was sort of borderline not making the list but we we like this watch we really like this company uh this is the notice retrospect caveat these are out of stock until at least march that that i believe that those words were typed in pre-corona terror, so we don't know if March is still happening or not. We haven't talked to Wes and Cullen recently enough, but two colors. It's only been like two weeks. Right. So yeah, the Notice Retrospect. You guys, this is not one of the newest watches in Notice's collection, but it is still a total freaking winner.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	Total winner, 40.5 millimeters wide. 200 meters of water resistance, NH35, Swiss Super Lominova C3.
Andrew	What else is there to say? I mean, super attractive sandwich dial. Yeah, I love this thing that the geometry of the dial played with the geometry of the bezel. It's just it's absolutely killer. The colorways they have available or will have available also killer. The case shape is money. This is one of the more comfortable watches I think I've ever worn. Yeah, I love it. Just the way the lugs hug your wrist without... I mean, it felt like they used my wrist as the model to design this case around. They did, didn't they? They used it for something.
Everett	Yeah, I mean, we've talked about this watch before, but I think that I think that really why this sort of makes our list to actually talk about versus, you know, maybe being honorable mention is because it comes from a company that is assembling watches here. They're hand regulating these things in four positions. This is just a known quantity.
Andrew	And it's some dudes you should want to be buying watches from. Right.
Everett	I mean, and that's sort of... I don't know. That's not going to be super important for everybody. It's important for us, but I think that the reason it's important for us is because we know what you're going to get in terms of customer service, what you're going to get in terms of attention to assembly and being put together. I don't think this is a perfect watch.
Unknown	Oh, no. No, no, no.
Everett	It's got 22 millimeter lugs, which I don't like. Um, it has, uh, it's got some sort of, I think, bland design elements. I think case side, not super exciting to me. Um, mid case, you know, the profile, but that's, that's all super subjective, right?
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	That, you know, those are things, you know, if, if I had a magic wand, what would I fix to make this the perfect Everett watch? That does not mean it's not perfect.
Andrew	But also, the perfect Everett watch doesn't exist. The perfect Andrew watch doesn't exist. If I have a magic wand and just can create a watch, then I'm in this land of like SimCity where I'm just keep building and building and building and suddenly I have 10,000 watches and none of them is the perfect watch. This is the perfect Tuesday watch. Like right now, my SNK on this Barton Bands RAF. This is a perfect Monday watch.
Everett	This is so good. Tomorrow I'm going to look at it and be like, meh, I don't want to wear that. So this is, what is this, the 80... Gosh, I can never remember the... So this is the Korean Dial SNK. Your case is unmodified, which I actually, when I see it, I'm like, gosh, I wish I had an unmodified SNK. But this gray RAF Barton Band, it just looks so good on this thing. It's money. This looks like it came off some Vietnam or Korean conflict soldier's wrist and wound up in my studio here.
Andrew	And I don't know if I agree with that, but it, it looks killer. It's got, it's got all the, but like I'm saying, that's, that's the perfect watch for today. Yeah.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	Tomorrow. Probably not.
Everett	So true story. Okay. Next, this is a watch that did really well for me.
Andrew	Less, less well for you for me. And I was really surprised because I, I like this brand. I like these watches, but just maybe today they didn't sing to me.
Everett	Well, and so the, and so the watches, the Traska free diver, These are coming into stock about the same time as the Retrospects will. And I think we can caveat... Which is like right now. Now-ish. Yeah. Yeah. We can caveat your low scores with the fact that you just weren't super familiar with the watch and some of the things, and so you weren't comfortable scoring as high as I was because your lack of familiarity.
Andrew	Yep. That's part of it. So it didn't do well for me in lume. It didn't do well for me in the bracelet. And reason being is the, both the loom and the, and this is kind of universal for all the watches that I haven't ever handled in person. Uh, I can, I can read reviews and I can look at pictures and I can say, okay, I believe you that this is a killer bracelet and that the loom is killer. I believe you that the material they're using on the loom is right. But until I see it and touch it, I can't say it's terrific. I can say it's probably really good. But the bracelet doesn't scream anything special to me. It looks like it's going to be good, but it looks like it could also be like, okay, yeah, this is good. The loom looks like it's going to be good, but maybe it blows out. Maybe it doesn't hold up. Maybe it's applied sloppy and has a little weird bubble.
Everett	I don't know. We're not saying those things are true. We're saying those are concerns we have with a watch that we're not super familiar with.
Andrew	So I err on the side of caution for specifically those two categories.
Everett	And I did the opposite. I just went whole hog and believed everything everybody said, which is that the bracing on this thing is super dope. The clasp on this thing is super dope.
Andrew	That clasp is money. Without having touched it, I can look at it and say they're doing it right.
Everett	This watch actually reminds me a lot of the Notice Retrospect. I think I like the strap size better. I like the profile on this thing just a touch better than the Retrospect. Again, super subjective. But for me, I like those things just a touch better. This watch is actually super similar, I think, to the Combat Sub. I think if you're into the Combat Sub, this is going to be in that same world. Yeah. You know, NH35, 38, you know, depending on whether or not you want a date or no date. Great brushed and polished transitions. 120 click. All the normal stuff. BGW9. 200 meters, sapphire, solid end links, perlage coating on the on the glass, which is just delicious looking.
Andrew	And if you if you have the attention to do that, like we talked about last week with Orion, if you care about that, everything else is going to be right.
Everett	Serialized. These things are serialized, too, which I don't know that that's important to me, but that is important to some people.
Andrew	Makes you feel special. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. I don't know. Just looking at the profile, I don't think I'm a huge fan of the bezel diameter against the case diameter from the side. I don't know if you can see what I'm talking about here. It almost looks like it might be from the side. Looks like it's small. The bezel?
Unknown	Yeah. I don't know that I see that.
Andrew	Yeah, it might have just been the way that angle was. I don't know. Buy one. Send it to us.
Everett	Right. We'll take a look.
Andrew	And you will settle all my fears.
Everett	You know, there's a number of brands that we haven't connected with that I feel like we probably should at some point. You know, certainly Traska would be on that list for me.
Andrew	And next up, Laurier.
Everett	another brand another brand we really need to reach out to we need to connect with so yeah this is the laurier neptune and there's there's the hydra is also a dive watch that's very very very similar to this and i i depending on the day waffle back and forth between which i prefer more in the in the dive category whether it be the hydro or the neptune it's for me a no-brainer it's the neptune okay over the hydro but
Andrew	Because you have an issue with the dial on the Hydra, don't you?
Everett	I do. Yeah, I like this maxi style dial. I also really like the font on the bezel of this thing. It's sort of a vintage Art Deco font. Yep.
Andrew	I like it. I really like it. And this scored really well for both of us. And this is coming in at what $399 I think is what they're coming in at.
Everett	Yeah, $400.
Andrew	Yep, $400. And everything about this just says super classic Skin Diver to me. Yep. Everything.
Unknown	Yep.
Andrew	everything. It's all very, very seventies feel without being retro, like kind of, uh, what's the word I'm looking for? Cheapie retro look.
Everett	Yeah. It's retro without being cheesy. You know, I think that the, that the white loom.
Andrew	Yeah. And maybe that's it. It's the white loom, the kind of, kind of guilt markers and hands, the, um, the whole package. It just, it feels like this was new in the seventies.
Everett	That's right. It's not, it's not, uh, a brand new, but aged watch. It's not aged at all.
Andrew	It's actually just retro style and we get to do all the aging and that crown, the crown, I love those big old fat crowns. They look just a touch disproportionate to the case and it's just perfect.
Everett	Laurier does a big crown. Well, yeah, yeah. And they're really finally finished. So, uh, you know, Just run through the specs on this thing real quick, because it's important for what we're doing today.
Andrew	39 millimeters, 120 click bezel. Oh, I knocked my face. Super Luminova, killer looking bracelet.
Everett	BGW9, which I'm a fan of, versus the C3.
Andrew	Yeah. So I scored this bracelet higher than I scored the Traska bracelet, because I like the way the bracelet looks. It stands out. It's different. It's flat brushed. So that's what it took for me to do better.
Everett	Acrylic crystal on this one, which I dinged it for, but really that's, as we've discussed in the show multiple times, that's really not a downgrade. It's in some ways an upgrade. You can always polish out acrylic.
Andrew	And it's domed too. It's a slightly domed acrylic.
Everett	That's right. And it's gorgeous. You know, acrylic, if you've never had an acrylic crystal watch, it's really warm. It's really warm looking, not warm to the touch necessarily, although it is actually warm. It can be. Yeah. It just looks warm, which is a weird way to describe an aesthetic feature, but that is the feeling you get. Yeah. So kind of a soft with, you know, you can get it crystal clear, but it still just sort of looks soft.
Andrew	Without distorting your view.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	Yeah. That's right. Unless you're looking at the Komodorsky, which
Everett	from from even a slight angle you're like what the what does that thing say yeah uh so yeah this i mean so this was what uh number four on my list number five on mine with a 60 yeah i've got this thing of a 60 i've got this thing tied exactly in terms of score with the retrospect yeah and it is money and this is just behind the free diver on my list okay yeah i i can get behind it
Andrew	This is a brand we don't know a whole lot about. We do need to connect with these folks because their whole lineup is killer.
Everett	Well, how many times have we talked about the Falcon on the show?
Andrew	A couple dozen. You know how many times I've almost bought it? And then when I finally went to buy it, it was sold out. Right.
Everett	Dog shit. So I think it's time to move on. It's time to move on to our top two. Is that right?
Andrew	We have to.
Everett	Have you done anything else? Did we miss anything?
Andrew	I mean, I poured a little bit more Pendleton.
Everett	Did we miss anything else? No. It's just these last two? Yeah, these last two. Okay, so two watches. If you've ever listened to the show, you already know what these watches are.
Andrew	Yeah, because we haven't talked about them yet, today, and you know they're coming.
Everett	You have a different... So these two watches tied exactly for me, but got there differently.
Andrew	And they are in exactly the same positions for me. and they're a point different. One point different. One point different.
Everett	One point different. So the two watches, without further ado, the two watches are the Notice Sector Dive and the EMG Nemo. Oh, big shock there. These are, you know, we said it when we had these before we ever rated these things, but we said these are the best entry-level dive watches you can buy. We had them both in hand at some point. We have neither of them in hand now. Well, you don't.
Unknown	Oh, wait, wait.
Andrew	Talk. So these are the two. Nobody should be surprised here that these are our two favorite affordable dive watches because they are They should be everyone's favorite affordable dive watches.
Everett	Sorry Wes and Cullen, I just remembered I forgot to send this thing back. It's still in the watch drawer.
Andrew	It's in my, it's on my wrist now.
Everett	I was like, man, I don't think I ever put this thing in the mail.
Andrew	Somebody's going to be so happy. And it's me. We're never getting another sample piece again. Not from these guys. So one of my favorite parts about this sector dive is the lug to lug. or the lug-to-lug length. It is perfect. It's short without being diminutive.
Everett	Yeah, so it's 47, so it's not really, I mean, it's pretty average for the size of watch this is.
Andrew	But it feels perfect. Before I start to gush, because we're starting to run low on time, let's talk about it objectively, because this is the objectively best. dive watches under 500 money. Hit me with some stats or some specs, because you have the screen in front of you.
Everett	38 millimeter case. That extends out. We talked about this on the show at some point, but it's a 38 millimeter case. It's a 39 millimeter bezel. So the bezel is just slightly proud of the case. Just under 13 millimeters thick, 47 millimeter lug to lug, 20 millimeter lug, 7.5 millimeter crown. Good, healthy, big, knurled crown. NH35? Yep. NH35. Double Dome, Tapered Sapphire Crystal, Blue AR, DLC coded, 120 click. Thanks, Siri. I don't know if you guys heard that, but something I said excited Siri. She got real pumped and she's looking for Double Dome Sapphire. 150 meters water resistance because this is a skin diver. This is a skin diver. This is not a scuba diving watch. This is a skin diving watch. It's a perfect skin diving watch. Wonderful, wonderful, wonderful bracelet, H-Link bracelet. This sort of sector, this multi-layer sector dial, wonderful fonts, nothing derivative about the entire watch. That's probably not true, but it's all put together in a unique novel way with case finishing that is money out of this world.
Andrew	Everything about this watch says notice. Nothing about this watch when you look at it says, oh, I can see where they drew from this and where they drew from this. This is the kind of watch that future watches will draw from. That's right.
Everett	That's right. I mean, we just talked about this thing so much. Do we need to say more about it? Do we have to give it back? I'm somewhat concerned about our reputation for holding on to watches way too long. Do you guys want me to send this back?"And he'd say, oh yeah, I'll send it. He sent me a shipping label and I said, oopsies. Okay, we'll get it in the mail tomorrow. But yeah.
Andrew	So that's Friday because they won't hear this till Thursday. Right. That's right.
Everett	We get a few extra days. So notice sector dive, totally lovely. And just listen, just listen. I love it. I love it.
Andrew	The pictures of this are great. You just won't believe it once you see it in person, though.
Everett	You won't believe it. The bezel on this thing, the bezel alone, oh my gosh.
Andrew	The winner.
Everett	The winner. Tied for the win, but this actually gets a nudge because it was slightly higher, one point higher on your list. So the winner.
Andrew	Can anyone guess?
Everett	We've already said it.
Andrew	Ready? Call it and guess.
Everett	The EMG, Nemo, our boys, Derek, Eric, and Ed put together a winner here, guys. They did. It's such an unsung hero, too. Yeah. Anybody who's touched this watch knows how good it is.
Unknown	Mm-hmm.
Everett	Anybody who's touched this, but people haven't touched it. I don't think enough people have touched this watch. And we had four of them up until about a week ago. I had to send them all back to Michigan.
Andrew	We've had every colorway. I want all of them. Even when you asked me which one's your favorite, I had trouble picking. And if you were to ask me again today, I'd have a different favorite. I just need them in every color. Or maybe they could send me a bunch of extra dials and I could just pop the dials out rather than having five watches all of the same in just different colorways. On to this. We've got a 40 millimeter case. We've got 20 millimeter lugs. Shocking how much we love that. Another 47 lug to lug, 13 hyphe thickness, including the domed sapphire crystal. So we're probably looking at like closer to 12 and a hyphe thickness.
Everett	Yeah, and they could have gotten that down too. This watch, this mid case was built around an NH35, and they wound up plugging a 9OS, a Miona 9OS5, which is I think a full millimeter thinner, maybe two millimeters thinner. So they almost certainly could have got this down to 12, 11 and a half, 12 before the crystal.
Andrew	That would have been just so crazy small, because this watch already wears small. It wears smaller than the Sektor Dive in the way it feels. Another nice, nicely sized crown, and where it really edged out the Sektor for me, was that beads of rice bracelet. That's where the point differential really comes in. Is that money beads of rice that it's on.
Everett	Basically best in class bracelet. I don't love the clasp on this thing. I'll admit to not loving the clasp on this thing.
Andrew	I do like it. It doesn't stand out. It's not special to me. It is lovely and I think they did a really good job on the details. but it's not special.
Everett	It's a catalog clasp. I've told both Eric and... I don't think I've ever talked to Derek, but I've told both Eric and Ed that I think that it's a bit of a disservice to the watch, the clasp is.
Andrew	I mean, you're paying $450 for this watch. How much more can you want, Everett? You're getting selfish right now.
Everett	I get to be selfish.
Andrew	I want that McLaren, but I only wanna pay $84.
Everett	I think that they could have done a one-off clasp for not much more.
Andrew	Not much more, but you're still going to push over five.
Everett	Because these clasps are very well-made clasps. I just don't think it fits the aesthetic of the watch.
Andrew	I think you're right about that, but I think you're still going to push north of five at that point.
Everett	You know, if you ask me, if you ask me, I don't want something stamped, but I think something friction and thin.
Andrew	I want fucking hand forged. That's what I want. All right. And I want hand forged and I want to pay $64. Hand forged Damascus.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	Right.
Everett	Look, so my... I think they could have done a less substantial clasp that was unique to this watch for about the same price. That's my guess. It's just not the way they operate, right? It's not the way they're doing business.
Andrew	Can I tell you about my favorite part of this watch? No. It's the bezel. I want to keep talking. It's the bezel. Yeah. It's that matte bezel.
Everett	The insert specifically.
Andrew	Yeah. Yeah. The bezel insert is, is it's such a perfect contrast to the rest of the watch. It's got loomed the writing on it's loomed. Yeah. It's do yourselves a favor. Y'all do EMG a favor, pick this thing up. You're absolutely not going to regret it. And it's, you know, it's 450 bucks. It's, it's on the spendier side of our, of our lineup today. It's worth every penny.
Everett	Every penny. The details on this thing, the hands are totally stunning. The markers are fantastic. The loom is great. That white chapter ring is just a great like surface break. The fonts are good. The case back is fucking epic. Oh, it's so cool.
Andrew	And the bracelet. That bracelet.
Everett	Oh, phenomenal. Phenomenal profile on this thing is really classic, but also sort of unique. It's got that UFO style, um, bezel crystal relief. Uh, yeah. So I'm curious, I'm curious about something between the sector dive and the EMG Nemo, where were your sort of deltas in terms of, uh, ranking?
Andrew	Uh, so the, the Delta was, uh, the Nemo picked up two points. in the bracelet, but it lost a point in the aesthetic.
Unknown	Uh-huh.
Andrew	So it, it, it gained one point.
Unknown	Okay.
Everett	That's interesting. So I have it aesthetic. I have it ranked just above the notice and that's not cause I think the notice is bad looking. It's because I prefer the more classic looks that I gave this a perfect 10 on aesthetics.
Andrew	It only, it only got an eight for me.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	Okay. Uh, and I, and I think the, so part of the reason it got an eight was that I could do without domed crystal. Okay. Uh, and the, uh, the, the matted insert felt a little bit less refined than the way the, uh, the sector looks. The sector is just a touch more refined to me, even though the color ways are a little bit different. It just. It feels just a touch less dressy, just a touch more sporty, if you will.
Everett	That's funny. We came at this the same direction, but ended up on different sides. I gave the Nemo a bump on movement because the 90S5 is, I think, a better movement than the NH35, although it's very, very close.
Andrew	They both got a nine for me on that.
Everett	I gave the Sektor a bump on durability. And I think that the Sektor is going to, and the reason I did that, I think the Sektor is just going to wear better over time. I think the NH35, or excuse me, I think the EMG Nemo is going to get bumped up and banged in a little bit less aesthetically pleasing manner than the Nemo. Or than the Sektor, excuse me. I also think that the sector is just cooler. I think it's a little bit cooler. So not quite as attractive.
Andrew	But cooler. Yeah. But cooler. Because it's a much more modern take on the skin diver. Very much. Yeah. Very much so. And I think what we're looking at is a classic interpretation of a skin diver versus a modern reinterpretation. And they both hit it out of the park.
Everett	All right. Other things, Andrew.
Andrew	So I have a notice, uh, sector dive watch here in my hand and I, uh, absolutely love it. Um, so my other thing for the week is, is something that I didn't realize existed. And, and because of that, it has actually, um, I've been kicking this, Oh gosh, I have a dad joke. Are you ready? Yeah. I've been kicking this can down the road for quite some time and it's because I wanted to install can lights. Recess lights into this room.
Everett	It's not even a good dad joke. Dad jokes require some minimum level of funny and you fuck off.
Andrew	All right. You may be right there. There it is. Got it. Uh, so I've been, I've been delaying installing recess lighting into this room because a there it's, it's in a converted garage. So there's a ceiling and the sheetrock's already up and I don't want to tear down drywall because I hate doing drywall more than anything in the world. I'd mow the lawn five times a day before I did any drywall. I hate it. But the attic has a floor. So I also don't want to tear the attic above the ceiling. It has a floor. It has a floor. It's a finished attic. Yeah, they put drywall up in the attic. They're assholes. but it's nice and that I can go up there and walk around and have storage. I have basically a garage storage above the garage conversion. So I've just, I've, I've really been dreading this project because I knew it was gonna be such a pain in the ass to find the right dimension cans. There is a solution that I learned about while I was wandering through Lowe's.
Everett	Solution.
Andrew	Canless recessed lights. Did you know that was a thing? I do now. So there is such a thing as canless recessed lights. They're super affordable. I got a six pack for $134 money. The pack I got at Lowe's is adjustable brightness LEDs. And they're, it's just a disc, an LED disc with a little junction box. Junction box, super easy to wire. You run your power and you're good to go. And then you, your disc has two springs, uh, two, two like spring flan, like hinges kind of, locking bars on them that you compress and you put it up into your opening and they spring out and lock the light in place.
Everett	So no mounting?
Andrew	No mounting. You just cut your hole and you plug it in and you're good to go. It is as easy as plugging in a lamp if you have a minimal knowledge of how to strip wires. It was So incredibly easy. And because they have their, their adjustable light power, because they're LEDs, they can run the gamut from just your normal warm light to, I'm going to do a murder in this room and I need to find every drop of blood so I don't get caught. So I, if you're looking at installing recessed lights, or you have a room that's kind of got a low ceiling and you're kind of tired of the cavey feel check out canless recessed lights. They're my I'm, I'm, enamored. You're sold. Sold. I thought about installing them in several other rooms of the house. I was like, these are so fucking easy to install. I could just put them everywhere. Yeah, I don't need lamps. I don't need regular light fixtures anymore. I'm just going to plug these in. I like it. It was terrifically easy.
Everett	I like it. I like it. I've got another thing. Ready. True to form, I'm going to talk about a show. A controversial show, apparently. So this is a show that's on the Amazon. Is it on Amazon? Is it on HBO?
Andrew	Amazon. You told me Amazon earlier, but I'm feeling HBO now at the same time.
Everett	What have you done? It's a show. It's a show. It's a show. It's a show with Al Pacino. Alpa. Did you just make that nickname up?
Unknown	Yeah. Okay, good.
Everett	Alpa. It's got Alpa in it. It is Hunters. Hunters. Uh, if, if I didn't know that it was not a Marvel universe comic book series, if I didn't know that it was not that, if you said this is a Nic Cage, Jessica Jones universe television show, I would believe you. If someone had told me that I would, because it feels very much Like, not Nick Cage, Luke Cage.
Andrew	Yeah. I knew where you were going. I didn't want to correct you.
Everett	Thank you for that. It feels very much like that. But this is a show that's executive produced by Jordan Peele, who is phenomenal. It's a show about Nazi hunters. The hunters are hunting Nazis. They're hunting Nazis. Like Inglorious Bastards. similar to that. Yes. In fact, so it's set in the 70s. It's set in the late 70s, I believe in 77 or so. It feels very modern. It's not super period piece-y, but there is some of that. There's great watches in this show, but it's just fun. It's just fun in the same way that Luke Cage is fun, right? I haven't watched that. Or perhaps Daredevil. It's fairly light-hearted. It's not overly serious, although it is dramatic. It's violent, very violent at times. It's gratuitous. It's gratuitous in a refined way. It's been very fun. Now, I will say, there's some controversy.
Andrew	Which you only recently learned of. Taking from the perspective of feeling like it was Marvel University, I think it's totally reasonable that you didn't, that the controversy was totally lost. Because I think part of the controversy is that people aren't accepting that there's some artistic license taken here because it's a show.
Everett	Yeah, there's, and there is. So, so in, in telling this story, they are referring, you can't take all the watches.
Andrew	No, I will. That's okay.
Everett	Andrew's got like five watches on his wrists. You're planning, fully planning on walking out with all of these.
Andrew	Yeah, because between right now, when you're acknowledging this, and when I walk out the door, I will have donned a jacket and covered my arms.
Everett	So yeah, you know, Pete, there has been some feedback from, I understand, the Holocaust, or the Auschwitz Museum in Poland, amongst other groups, feeling like they're, A, glorifying Nazis in a way, that is inappropriate. And B, they are making events up, things that they say happened in the Holocaust that are dramatic. And I won't spoil the events, but there's some fairly dramatic, scary things that happened. And they're saying, this didn't really happen. And by this revisionist sort of telling of this non-story, you're doing something that's offensive. I won't comment on that because I don't have any strong feelings, and I think that the show stands on its own and that it is a work of fiction. It's clearly a work of fiction.
Andrew	Such that you thought it was part of the Marvel Universe. Right.
Everett	That's right. Not that I thought it was, but it could be.
Andrew	But very much could be. You would accept that as the reality of this show.
Everett	It is clearly not a retelling. It is clearly not based on actual events, as it were.
Andrew	I'm going to watch it. I'm just itching to dive deep into some controversy.
Everett	It's fun. I think you'll like it.
Andrew	I probably will.
Everett	Yeah, I think you'll dig it. Personally, the controversy I think is a non-controversy, but with that said, there's a group that's an important group that's got a real say in the issue that's feeling like it is controversial and maybe even worse than that. Something to note.
Andrew	Has the ultimate is the ultimate authority on deciding whether or not it is a controversy. Perhaps.
Everett	Yeah. Perhaps. Perhaps.
Andrew	It'll take some time because Sam started watching Step by Step on Hulu.
Everett	What's that?
Andrew	Step by Step.
Everett	Yeah. What's Step by Step?
Andrew	The 90s. Oh, Jesus. TV show.
Everett	Step by Step.
Andrew	Oh, yeah. What's that? Yeah. Yeah. That show. That's been on at my house. Fantastic. Good thing I'm tired after work because I fall asleep on the couch at about eight.
Everett	Jesus. Step by Step.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	Damn. You know what I didn't realize? I didn't realize the crossover of Steve Urkel between Family Matters and Step by Step. I also didn't realize I saw because I in my head, I always felt like the like Steve Urkel was kind of a spinoff. And I'm getting the music.
Everett	Andrew, you got anything else for today? No. Thank you for joining us for this episode of 420. Check us out on Instagram at 40 and 20. We've had some fun Instagram interaction the last couple of days. I think we're probably going to do a Q&A episode coming up. So keep an eye on there because certainly that is where we will feed our Q's. We'll give the A's by way of a show, but that's coming in the very near future. Check us out on Patreon.com slash 40 and 20. That's where we get all the money for the show. That's where we get microphones, hosting, etc, etc. Don't forget to tune back in next Thursday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Unknown	Bye bye.