Episode 70 - Interview With Nick Of Orion Watches

Published on Thu, 27 Feb 2020 08:13:00 -0800

Synopsis

The hosts Andrew and Everett are joined by watchmaker Nick Harris of Orion Watches to discuss his journey into watchmaking, the design process behind his Hellcat and other Orion watches, and the craftsmanship and finishing on the Hellcat. They also chat about Nick's experience in watchmaking school, pricing considerations for microbrands, and the differences between watchmakers and collectors. Throughout the conversation, they engage in friendly banter and tangents about other subjects like TV shows they've been watching.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. This is the 40 and 20 podcast with your host Andrew, and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett I'm good. I'm good. It's uh, it's Sunday. It is Sunday, Sunday, early evening. Early evening. Yeah, early evening early for us. We usually record later than this.
Andrew Yeah, well, kids aren't even in bed yet.
Everett I feel like when we when we first sat down to record, the sun was still sort of, sort of out.
Andrew It's not anymore. I didn't wear sunglasses on the way over, but I also didn't have my headlights on.
Everett And that was, that was legal. I know, because if you were supposed to, you would have.
Andrew Hard to say. Yeah. That's a, that's a maybe.
Everett Okay. No, I'm good. My kids had a piano recital today. So six years old, eight years old piano recital. It's it's, exactly what you'd expect, but also really neat.
Andrew I watched the video. I did not listen. There's a reason.
Everett Well, yeah, because it's a six-year-old and an eight-year-old. It's nothing you haven't heard before.
Andrew No.
Everett But it's pretty cool. I mean, it's cool to think, you know, here are these little people that I made that are now learning things.
Andrew Yeah. And doing things. And like creating things. Creating. Little creators. Yeah.
Everett Content creators. They film YouTube videos on a regular basis.
Andrew No, they don't. Are you serious?
Everett I mean, we don't publish them to YouTube, but I'll pick up my phone and be like, Betty's just a YouTube video about nothing. And she says, make sure to press the like button.
Andrew No, smash that like button.
Everett I'm like, oh man, this little, this one.
Andrew This is trouble. She knows what's up. Yeah. She's going to start doing those unpackaging videos and she's going to get way more followers than we have. And all she's going to do is close things back up and just pull them out of a fucking box.
Everett That's right. And she's going to make billions of bucks. Yeah. How are you?
Andrew I'm good. I'm worn out. I'm still on. I'm on the tail end of the project that I've been working on.
Everett Oh, I thought you were going to say you're on the tail end of a temper tantrum.
Andrew Oh, I mean, I'm still I'm I'm like still coming down from the temper tantrum. I stormed back to Lowe's today to return a light fixture. I blew up a light fixture and I was electrocuted today. I mean, you weren't electrocuted. You were shocked, perhaps. Is there a difference?
Everett Yeah, electrocuted, it results in death. No. I think that's right.
Andrew If you grab an electric eel, you're electrocuted.
Everett Our yet-to-be-introduced guest is nodding his head in the affirmative.
Andrew No, because that's like saying a heart attack induces death.
Everett Okay, fair enough. So you were electrocuted, and I'm glad you're here.
Andrew I got zapped. We'll stick with that. So I got zapped today. I was furious. I, I came like one more bad thing from throwing tools, light fixtures, all manner of shit in, into the front yard and then kicking it into the road today. It was a knife's edge of, of temper tantrum, but you're such an even killed guy.
Everett So, but I can see, I can see the rage.
Andrew It's buildup though. That's the thing. It's like, I'm really even keeled until I can't figure something out. And I mean, like you, I'm a serial tinkerer. I take on projects I have no business doing, and then I get mad when I can't do it. So, like right there, we're in the like, I'm doing something I have no business taking on, and I'm mad I can't do it. I'm like, well, fuck this. I can figure this out. And then I can't figure it out, and I can't figure it out, and I can't figure it out. I try everything that I can think of. I'm YouTubing. I can't figure it out. And then the tantrum gets bigger, like the, the, the rage just, just builds and grows and builds. And then you get zapped. And that, that was like my, fuck all this. And I throw the light fixture back in the box. I storm back to Lowe's and they're like, is there a problem with it? No. She gives me my credit back. I go get some different, I go get some canless recessed lights. I get back home, I plug him into the light, the wiring, fire it up, and I'm like, fuck yeah, it works. So maybe the fixture was just broken. Yeah, it was clearly a fixture issue, but in the moment, I mean, because that's the problem, and I was telling my four-year-old this, he wants to help, and I'm like, here's the danger with working with electricity. You can't see it, so you don't know where it's broken. Number two, I'm not good at it, so it's extra dangerous. So, he's out of the room. So, anyway, I get these... He's like, Dad, something's wrong with Dad. I get these recessed lights, and I plug the first one in, and I get it all wired, and it works. I'm like, yes! And I pick it up, and I didn't realize that I had stripped a little bit too much of the insulation off the wiring when I connected it. So, some wires touch, and this thing fucking blows up.
Everett And so now you don't have a house because it burned down.
Andrew No, just some sparks and a little little electrical explosion right in front of me. And I, I, I coped with that. Well, I worked through that. I got a new light because I bought a pack of six. Throw that one out and wire the next one. It works. And now you're good. I wire them in sequence and they work. So I'm good. Now I just have to start cutting holes in my ceiling. Yeah. No, no, no. Because they're canless. So I just have to cut the hole and stuff them up in there. And it's good. So I'm really close, but I'm on the tail end of a really, really tantrum-y day. So all that being said. I'm sorry. I'm not. That's how you learn.
Everett Well, are you OK then if we talk about watches?
Andrew I think we should. I think we should move on from me. Move on from my temper tantrums. Because we got something cool going on today and I don't want to waste any more time on just you and me.
Everett I don't either. I want to waste some time on this Orion Hellcat.
Andrew Let's do that.
Everett So if you guys follow our Instagram or if you follow our YouTube, you'll have seen today, the day we're publishing, Sunday, or the day we're recording, excuse me, Sunday, we published a YouTube video, which is a review of the Orion Hellcat. And those of you who were astute enough to read the title of the podcast you clicked on will also know that we're talking today to the maker of this fine Orion Hellcat, Nick Harris of Orion Watches.
Nick Harris Nick, how are you? I'm doing all right. I just heard how you guys are doing, but how are you guys doing?
Everett Again. Say it again.
Nick Harris You doing okay? I'm doing okay.
Everett All right. You're doing okay. We're doing okay. Andrew? Yeah.
Andrew Everett's doing better than me, but I'm here. I've got some Tillamore Dew in front of me. I'm settling down.
Nick Harris Right. You had a learning day. Yeah.
Everett And now he's having a whiskey day.
Nick Harris Yeah. Yeah. It's a wrapping up or unwinding.
Andrew Yeah.
Nick Harris But yeah, you know, just another day, another weekend. Nothing too eventful. You know, worked on a watch. went for a walk. It was finishing up an old Ike pod that had gotten I guess slammed into a countertop or dropped and got wet and at some point another watchmaker had kind of abused it. So it's kind of like triple threat of things to fix.
Everett And what kind of watch?
Nick Harris an ike pod designed by mark newsom he designed the uh apple watch oh okay i posted some of them on uh one of my instagrams they're kind of they're really wacky looking kind of look like a flying saucer egg thing super busy but um yeah it's been fun there's like that malcolm in the middle episode where the dad gets brian cranson gets home and he goes to like replace the light bulb but then he notices the drawer is broken and he goes to fix the drawer and he notices like his shelf is broken and he's like Everything is broken. So right.
Everett Next thing you know, he's he's partnering with Sally Struthers and curing African starvation.
Andrew And the light bulb never gets changed.
Everett Right. You know, it's such a it's such an interesting the the hobby turns into a profession, turns into work. It's such an interesting because the thing you're doing to me sounds like a fun, exciting project, but I assume it's actually just work for you.
Nick Harris It's a little bit of both. I definitely enjoy it, but there are times when it is work. I was like, I just want to take a break from this, but I was like, no, you can't take a break. You got to get paid. So, um, but you know, it is something I enjoy and, uh, you know, I do love problem solving and I do love working with my hands. So it's, uh, it's, it is enjoyable at the end of the day. And then when you, you know, when you start with something and it is not working and it has all these issues and the jewels are shattered and it's rusty and then you, you know, put some love into it and it starts running and it's shining and it, you know, It's super rewarding. And then sometimes the customer gets back and it means something extra special to them. It can be really great. It's not too common that you get to turn a passion into a job. So I'd say I'm pretty lucky in that regard.
Everett My job is similar, right? I take these people come to me and they say, Hey, I've got this problem and I have no clue how to fix it. I do all this nasty work, you know, as an attorney, everything we do is either adversarial or just highly complicated. And the amount of times when I've done my job perfectly is so low, you know, I would say less than two or 3% of the time do I feel like I've done this exactly right all the way through. Cause it's so dynamic, but there's that satisfaction at the end of the day, cause every case resolves. Every case resolves one way or the other, you know, you know, and more times than not, it resolves in a way where everybody sort of buys into the resolution, you know, meaning settlement, you know, 95% of all lawsuits settle. Uh, but there's that satisfaction at the end of the day where it's like, I've taken this project and that was seemingly impossible for the person who brought it to me. And for me, seemingly, you know, impossible days when I looked at this thing and I was like, this turd is never going to get polished.
Andrew Uh, you put enough ketchup on it though.
Everett That's gross. So, uh, which is not to say that what I do is watchmaking and not, and also not to say that it was my passion, right? Uh, uh, that's different. And I'm a little jealous of the fact that you get to spend your day, uh, working through your passion.
Nick Harris Yeah. Well, You know some some days it's uh you gotta you gotta take the jobs and because uh other days I really want to be like tinkering and you know playing around with exotic materials or crazy paints but gotta got service watches too.
Andrew So before we get too deep into this why don't you give us a brief introduction for those of listeners who for some reason or another don't know who you are, give us a quick rundown of where you came from, how you got there, and where you are.
Nick Harris Sure. I guess five years ago now I got into watches as a hobby. I was working on a winery, kind of jack of all trades, you know, working in the field, working in a cellar, working out at the bar. I just graduated college.
Andrew So you spent your whole adult life doing like awesome jobs.
Nick Harris Yeah. I've had pretty good jobs. Okay. Okay.
Andrew Sorry to interrupt, but that's.
Nick Harris So I was doing that, um, and I figured I needed a new, a new hobby and I inherited this, uh, Omega constellation and it was kind of broken. I figured, Hey, I'm pretty good with my hands. I can figure out how to fix this. And I started researching watch repair and I very quickly learned that it was pretty complicated and maybe a little out of my, uh, you know, range of skills.
Everett Particularly with that watch. Right.
Nick Harris Right, and I didn't want to mess up like a family heirloom. Right. Put that to the side and started buying up, you know, old Seikos that were kind of broken and just playing with them and figuring out how things worked. And that eventually led to Seiko modding. I started posting my progress with the Seiko mods online. People really liked them and I started selling the Seiko mods. At that point, I decided to go back to school to get ready for graduate school for something science-related.
Everett You're a biology guy, right?
Nick Harris Right, yeah, I'd gotten my bachelor's in biology, like a minor in chemistry, so tons of science all the time. Wait, what did I say? I said bio and chemistry.
Everett That's what you say.
Nick Harris If I say a word. OK, if I say something that doesn't make sense, just be like, Nick, that didn't make sense.
Andrew Now you'll fit in perfectly.
Nick Harris We'll just keep rolling. Drop a word or like switch a word and I don't even notice.
Everett But anyway, you know, when I'm talking about watches, I oftentimes I oftentimes switch bezel and crown and don't realize I've done it. So when I'm editing the episodes, I edit all the episodes when I when I edit them. Oftentimes I'll listen. I listen back and I'm clearly talking about bezel, but saying the word crown and Andrew doesn't correct me.
Andrew We just I feel bad correcting you because it's such a frequent thing that I'm like. I don't want to be just like your live fact checker sitting here next to you like fuck that one off. Yeah, that's the wrong word.
Nick Harris That's the wrong word.
Everett So say whatever you want. Well, they'll figure it out at home.
Andrew They always say bruschetta bruschetta. You can say whatever the fuck you want here.
Nick Harris It's definitely bruschetta, but anyway.
Everett Food service, you know.
Nick Harris Uh, yeah. So the Seiko mods, um, they started taking off a new kind of online fashion company going behold and, uh, picked me up to, you know, sell some mods in their shop and the mods got really popular to, you know, say the least. And, um, At that point in my life, I said, maybe I should check out watchmaking school because the prospects of watchmaking school, which was two years and a lot cheaper than like, you know, indefinite graduate school and whatever. A PhD in biology. Yeah. Or whatever. You know, it's just like, it sounded like, you know, nonstop academia. Um, I was like, you know what, I'll just do watches. It's just two years. If it doesn't work out, go back to science. Not much time lost.
Everett Fall back on that old biology thing.
Nick Harris Yeah. So I just kind of dropped it all and went for it. And at that point I decided. you know, maybe I should start making my own, having my own parts manufactured since I was depending on all these, uh, like Seiko mod parts people. And it's kind of expensive. So I was starting to have, uh, my own designs and crystals and stuff made for me. And I was like, what if I went one step further and just had my entire, like designed to watch and just had that made. And then how much harder could it be?
Everett Right.
Nick Harris Yeah. So I just went all the way. But, um, you know, they want, you know, minimum order quantity of 500 pieces. And I had like no money to my name. And I was like, I got into watchmaking school. I was in Seattle across the country. It was crazy. It was a big hustle. And then, you know, it all, it all worked out. And then I moved across the country and to Seattle and I stayed in this Airbnb shipping Orion ones out of this Airbnb while going to watchmaking school for like 10 hours a day. It was crazy. It was fun. And yeah, graduated watchmaking school and just working on setting up shop.
Everett And so you're back in Philly now?
Nick Harris Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew Okay. How many classmates are in watchmaking school with you? I'm imagining kind of cohorts, like group of less than kind of 20 at a time going through together. Is that accurate?
Nick Harris Yeah, so my class was kind of large at 10 people. Okay. Or my class started at 12 people and graduated with 10.
Everett And then, um... I feel like your class is also, too, kind of like the 2003 NBA draft class, right? Like, we've got LeBron and Dwyane Wade, and you guys have, like, a famous graduating class, right?
Nick Harris We did have pretty great chemistry with our class. I think that I don't think was very common for the school. Our class got along very well. We had a lot of really hard workers. A lot of people just really gave it, you know, 200%. And I had a lot of fun. Everyone had a lot of fun. And there's a lot of devotion there that I don't think is common every year. But then again, you have to commit so much to watch Making School. It's 50 hours a week. So that's like a full-time job. And you have to have money saved up. You have to be able to do a full-time job where you're not getting paid for two years in Seattle, which is extremely expensive.
Everett Right, because you're not getting federal aid, student aid, right?
Nick Harris Some people did, but I was not eligible for that. Some people worked on top of it. Some people had aid. Some people didn't. Some people just took out loans. Some people had other sources of income, or some people just saved up. People made it work. Everyone's story was a little different.
Andrew How many of your classmates were selling a ready-to-go-to-market watch while they were also in watchmaking school?
Nick Harris I don't think any of them. Okay.
Andrew You just had to put that one out there because that's a pretty impressive feat. You're like, oh, you know what? I think maybe I should go to watchmaking school and figure out how to do this, but also at the same time, I'm going to do this.
Nick Harris It was a little insane. It was insane. Well, it was a lot of hours. I'm not going to lie, which when people brag about doing like 60, 70, 80 hour work weeks, they're idiots. Yeah. That's not bragging. That's like, that's stupid.
Andrew Hey, I hate having a social life and I don't like my family.
Nick Harris It's like not healthy. There's nothing healthy about that. Yeah. It's just like, you're taking out like a loan on your health and you're going to have to pay that back one day.
Andrew Yeah, that's, that's a future you problem though.
Everett Yeah. No, that's, that's right though. Uh, well, so how, how many field standards, I know that the initial, there was 20 of them at first, but I think you ended up, uh, selling quite a few more than that. Is that, is that accurate?
Nick Harris Right. So I think there were about, I think it did 150 field standards. And then, like, 350 Orion 1s.
Everett And then... How many Orion 1s?
Nick Harris 350? Yeah.
Everett Okay.
Nick Harris And then, a bunch of Silphs. Actually, not a bunch. Fewer than 100. What was it? I don't know, 50 or 75 Silphs.
Everett And the Silph was the same case, same mid case as the Orion 1, right?
Nick Harris Yeah, the Orion 1, the Field Standard, and the Silph all shared the same case.
Everett Okay. The first field standards, weren't they a catalog case? Oh, those were Seiko Mod.
Nick Harris Seiko Mods. So those had like the SNKL something, something case.
Everett Sure. Sure. And then that morphed into your custom case or field standard.
Nick Harris Right. Yeah. Yeah. So there were tons of the Seiko Mod ones. I've lost count, man. There were a lot. Like I have like stacks of dials, like so many dials from just like, I just ripped those dials out of those cases. The only thing that was original was the mid case at the end of the day, the day. Cause I'd swap out the crystals. Well, I guess I'd keep the movements on some of them. You know, the case and the movement, everything else was different.
Everett Everything else is custom. And when did you make the move into sort of what I would say were like the bigger one-off customs? You know, I know you did that, um, the Japanese style finishing the Mokume Gane. Mokume Gane. Mokume. Say it again.
Nick Harris Mokume Gane. Mokume Gane. Yeah, there you go. Um, that, those were, I guess those were kind of later in, uh, getting closer to watchmaking school. Um, cause I, my neighbor is a retired machinist, so he kind of showed me how to use his lathe and some of his machines. And that's when I was able to make some of those dials.
Everett Um, cause that's actually, that's actually utilizing, so it's like a Damascus style, uh, steel, right. With different, compositions of steel?
Nick Harris Yeah. Some of them are like made from nickel or different, you know, nickel coppers, like they're all sorts of different metals to get different patterns nowadays.
Everett So that's not just buying something from Jake, from Jake and throwing it in a watch. That's really, I mean, you can't find anything like that for less than many, many thousands of dollars. And yet you were able to,
Nick Harris That was a kind of a blunder on my point. I like just underselling. I was underselling a lot of my stuff just because I just because I didn't know. And I just I guess I really just had no gauge of what I was doing. You loved it.
Andrew And you're selling it. I mean, it's hard for a no name to show up on scene and be like, hey, I'm doing this thing. And I am worth every bit as much as everyone else who's already been on scene. So pay me the same. So I mean, I think that that helped kind of, I think that's, that was to your benefit in, in the long run to, though now looking back on it, you're like, Oh fuck, why did I do that? I think that was, that was an important stepping stone and getting to where you are now.
Nick Harris It did definitely help get stuff out there.
Andrew Because everyone knows you now. Well, I mean, where they ought to. If they don't, they ought to know who you are. I think that the Orion brand has the recognition that it deserves.
Everett Well, and after this podcast, everybody will know. We get at least 700 people listening to every episode.
Andrew Me and Everett will know. Both of our moms and both of our wives. And they know people, man. This is it, Nick.
Nick Harris You're blown up. Yeah. Blown up. What about the kids? Don't they get the message?
Everett Oh, yeah. The kids will know too. Not yet. No, the kids have been wearing the Hellcat for three weeks.
Andrew It's going to have some some weird like macaroni kind of like stuffed into the knurling of the crown, but it's not a big deal. Don't worry. That stuff comes out.
Nick Harris Macaroni grip. Macaroni crown. Ooh, we're onto something here. Macaroni bracelet. We're disappointed you didn't have a bracelet, so we made you one. Ooh, I like that. Macaroni bracelet. Macaroni link.
Everett This is actually, you're breaking open new ground for us here. You are on to something. That's going to happen. 40 and 20 brand and macaroni link bracelet.
Nick Harris This is the, it's the evolution of the beads of rice.
Andrew Cause I really dig stretchy bracelets. Noodles of elbow.
Everett Spaghetti links. So you, you design and start to make the Orion one before and as you're sort of entering watch school, correct?
Nick Harris Right. Um, yeah, I searched for someone who can do CAD and renderings and I find Kyle Rimmerchuck on, he was recommended to me and we actually get along great. And I relay him my ideas and designs and, uh, and this is RYM rim design.
Everett Yeah. Yeah.
Nick Harris So he's, you know, been with me from the beginning and, He helps my ideas go from horrible drawings and just ideas into something on paper and into metal. And as our relationship has gotten closer, it's become much more of a back and forth. And his feedback and ideas also are reflected in the design as well. And yeah, it's become a pretty good relationship we have.
Everett And so the question I have for you then is, What sort of evolutions in design take place, uh, design and, uh, I mean, design sort of in the comprehensive, the holistic level, what sort of evolutions take place between the Orion one and the calamity that you can lend to your experiences at watch school? And maybe that question is too broad. Uh, maybe it's too broad. Uh, But we can narrow it down if you have any initial thoughts on that.
Nick Harris Just right away, I think kind of the finishing choices on it with like the brushed case and the straight grain brushing across the case and then the polished edges, the bevels that get continued into the bracelet. Actually, I'm not going to lie, I was having trouble thinking of the bracelet design and my one professor, Lisa, she's, Nick, just do the bevel around the edge of the bracelet. I was like, oh, Lisa, that's brilliant. So Lisa actually gave me the idea for the bracelet. So shout out to Lisa. Hey, Lisa. Yeah, the bevels on the case, the grain, it's kind of because then watchmaking, putting polished bevels on bridges and main plates kind of with a frosted or grained, you know, everything else is pretty common. Sure. And it's this kind of restraint that gives those little bits of polish that really nice pop. You know, it's because too much polish can It's like too much sugar, you know, it's like eating too much chocolate ice cream. So it's like you have a little restraint and that pop kind of makes it nice. So definitely stuff like that.
Everett You know, as we were preparing for this episode, we read a number of interviews and that you've done in the past and just sort of things you've said in the past. And there was a couple of comments, both of them came from a monochrome, monochrome.com, monochrome watches interview that you did a number of years ago. And the first one, the first comment that you made, and this was kind of why I asked this question, but you suggested that the things you learned before going to watch school that you had implemented in your watches, the watches by Nick watches, and even the Orion one, were really just the tip of the iceberg. And that, you know, I assume it's like with any school, you know, you just, the amount of things you learn is totally inordinate to, uh, relative to the things you're going to employ on a day to day basis. But I guess what I'd like to know is sort of how does that information that you got change your business model, your, your watch design, your implementation, of elements into watches. Are there any really obvious and really tangible things that you have taken and employed directly into watches? Obviously, the polishing is a great example.
Nick Harris I think, well, on a Hellcat and the Orion 2, which I'm totally reworking now, probably as a result to things I've learned in watchmaking school. Things like finishing, quality of finishing, kind of develop an eye for quality and what quality should look like at watchmaking school and you learn to discern and like decipher like crap bad finish low quality steel high quality steel high quality you know polish grain flat grain and like when something's been like grained with like a mushy soft wheel or a hard wheel or with like a lapping wheel and you learn to see all this stuff
Andrew Did you say a fapping wheel? Flapping wheel. Flapping? L-A-P-P. Oh.
Nick Harris L. Okay.
Andrew L-A-P-P.
Nick Harris Yeah.
Everett That's a different, that's a different kind of wheel.
Andrew Yeah.
Nick Harris I was like, ah. So, Grand Seiko uses lapping wheels, um, and you may know, everyone's so upset about Grand Seiko's finishing, and that's how they get very sharp edges, and the very flat, nice, uh, polish and grain. They use lapping wheel, which, it's a big, flat disc, and It lets you get incredibly sharp edges, but it's also very challenging and, you know, technically hard to use.
Everett And some of the watch refinishers, the Lapinist is the one I think about immediately. I know uses big lapping wheels, you know, and they get these just incredible results.
Nick Harris Right. Yeah. So learning all about that in school, has made much to, I guess, some of my manufacturers' chagrin. You know, I've had to push multiple times over to, you know, bump quality up to higher levels of standards because, you know, I can't sell something if it's not something that If it bothers me, I can't sell it. So there are lots of things that I have redone. And a lot of times, it's stuff that people might not even notice. But it's just like, it bothers me, so I can't have it done. So Hellcat, the Orion 2, these are things that are getting big boosts to finishing level, case finishing, just across the board, just because they deserve it and they need it. And that's something I've definitely picked up at watchmaking school.
Andrew Since we're on the topic of the Hellcat, I'm going to dive into it. I don't care if you had other things you wanted to talk about.
Everett The finishing on... He meant me, not you, Nick. He doesn't care if I have other things. I looked right at Everett when I said that. I can be like that too. Okay, good.
Andrew We don't care, Nick. So the finishing on the Hellcat is just Fucking phenomenal. I've not, Everett and I have talked about this now at least twice, I've not seen brushing like this before ever. And we can get back to that, but what I most want to talk about is the buckle.
Everett I knew that was coming.
Andrew Because there are tons of brands out there who do a great watch. And we've seen a lot of them. We've seen a lot and there are tons of brands out there who skip on the buckle. That's the corner they cut. That's the detail that they miss. And when I first put this watch on, the first thing that I noticed was how precise and how perfect this buckle is. And for me, Everett and I have talked about this a lot.
Everett Could you pop your pee a little bit harder? I just needed to really emphasize the fact that this is... Get that filter out of the way and just get into it. Perhaps. Sorry, you guys.
Andrew The best buckle that I have seen. And for me, Everett and I have talked about this before, if you can get the little details right, that means that everything else also will be just right. Perfect even. Was there a question there? And, and well, so that's what I want to talk about. I want to talk about the, the, the effort, the thought that went into this little detail, the buckle, something that is so easily overlooked and so often overlooked. I want to hear your thoughts and, and your efforts and your pain that went into creating this buckle that isn't just the right shape. It's not just the right size. but also has the same quality and caliber of finishing as the rest of the watch.
Nick Harris I got really bothered with these chunky big stupid chunky dive watches and I've got very small wrists and I just there's no good reason for there be so many big chunky dive watches and it becomes this crutch in dive watch design that people
Everett The Mariana Trench. The Mariana Trench watch.
Nick Harris It just becomes accepted that like, oh no, like dive watches are big and chunky and everyone just accepts the fact that they're big and chunky. And then in like kind of the micro brand world, it's like, oh yeah, everyone just uses catalog clasps and buckles. And it's just like kind of accepted that everyone just has these shitty buckles. And I agree. The details are important and I wanted to have a nice buckle. So I said, Kyle, let's design a buckle. He's like, OK, I've got a good idea of a buckle. I was thinking of a buckle for a little while. And he whipped up a buckle. And I was like, oh, that's pretty cool. Can we add a couple of little changes? New polished bevel. Throw another logo on the bottom. He's like, oh, yeah, that's good. And then he had come up with You know, kind of how it tapers and like conceals the strap, like when you're wearing it. Yes, it's blush. You know, it was originally designed to go with the Orion two because the Orion two is supposed to come out before the Hellcat but then right to is going to that got It's getting all completely reworked. So it's like, whatever, we've got this buckle. It's going to just be the Orion buckle. Going to use it for the Hellcat, going to use it for everything. And at the same time, I wanted, I was going through different factories and, you know, it's really expensive and time consuming to have a factory, like, prototype a case to check their quality. So I was checking out a new factory, and I said, hey, make this buckle for me. And they said, OK, we'll make this buckle for you. And they gave me a really high quote for it. I'm like, that's really expensive for a buckle. And they're like, we don't do low quality stuff. I'm like, this better be a really nice buckle. And they're like, we only make the best. And then I said, OK, let's see this buckle. And then they're like, we're only going to make this buckle You agree to make like a watch with us afterwards. And I was like, if the buckle's good, I'll make a watch with you. And then they made that buckle and then they made that watch.
Everett Lo and behold, it's dope as hell.
Andrew Yeah, this is I mean, yeah, I can't say it's my favorite part of this watch because the Hellcat is it. I I love every every single thing about it. But the the detail that I am most in love with, it's not your it's not the Orion constellation on the back. It's not this color that is like this perfect like. Burnt coppery. beautiful color. It's this buckle. It is the most perfect buckle that I've ever worn.
Everett You're a simple man, Andrew. You're a simple man.
Andrew It's the most perfect buckle I've ever worn on a leather strap. And, you know, never mind that your logo is also on the inside of a leather strap.
Everett This is just... It's this buckle, man. You know, I think that it exemplifies the overall quality. And maybe we're gushing a little bit here, and so hopefully that's okay with you. Uh, but it does, it does exemplify something bigger, which is to say that the finishing on this is really something different. And I'm hoping maybe we can talk a little bit about the nitty gritty of why some companies struggle, you know, very good companies with very cool watches, uh, still tend to struggle a little bit with finishing. And I don't know that they struggle necessarily because I don't suspect that they would feel that. But this is something different, and I think you would agree with that statement. Can you talk a little bit about why the finishing on this is better? Because Andrew and I are kind of at a loss. I don't even know what's better about it.
Andrew Why is it better? But it's definitely better.
Everett Why? What's happening here?
Nick Harris I well I think that's the thing. And that's part of why I went to watch drinking school is that and that's why people that's why they're people whose jobs, it is. are to be just a middleman for like a brand owner and a factory and they just communicate to the factory and get quality and they're called like vendors or suppliers and they speak to factories because so many people don't know how to communicate a level of quality and there are certain keywords manufacturers are looking for um and then at the same time manufacturers some of them are also trying to save money and do things as cheaply as possible so um i don't know it's a it's a lot of trial and error uh you learn stuff along the way uh i developed watchmaker vision so i know what bullshit finishing looks like and then i've had a lot of bad vendors and bad manufacturers before and then you learn what to say what not to say and um you know a little bit of luck and a bit of experience and you end up with someone who can make something that you approve of.
Everett And does that come down to the method of finishing? Is this this lapping wheel that we're talking about?
Nick Harris So this might not be lapped, but yeah, it would be kind of method of finishing or some of it might be. Yeah, it's like most stuff when it's mass produced, it's stamped and then it kind of gets down to the quality of stamped and how it's cleaned up afterwards so it might be kind of milled afterwards and then after it's milled it'll be touched up on you know certain wheels and then those types of wheels uh and then the operator's skill and technique will dictate the level of finish so if you have some people who don't want to pay a lot they're going to obviously get people who are not trained as well. They're going to get older machines. They're going to get lower quality machines and so forth and so on, you know.
Everett And so what is the characteristic? I mean, so the was the Hellcat at one point intended to be blasted?
Nick Harris There are two case finishes, so I'm wearing one right now that is blasted. I see. And show us a black one. is blasting. It's a little different. OK, so you can see like the flat of the bezel, more of a polished field watch type finish. Yeah, and then it's got the same polished and everybody at home is jealous because they can't see this.
Everett I can see it and I love it. Fuck them. Yeah. Well, so so what is it? So in terms of brushing, right? I think blasting is probably relatively simple to do. Uh, but in terms of brushing, what are the actual characteristics of brushing that make it better? Because when I, when I compare this to say, uh, you know, a similarly priced Casio or not a similarly priced, but a similarly specced Casio or perhaps an Orient even, uh, the finishing on this is so much more pleasant, right? Luxurious or pleasant. I'm not sure what it is. It's more, you can just tell it's better. What is the characteristic of the brushing that pulls that out for me because I don't know if I can put my finger on it.
Nick Harris Right, so something that might be just one thing like right off the bat, like mentioned how things are stamped. Um, like almost everybody stamps stuff. Um, even Rolex does. So, uh, maybe independent watchmakers, uh, since their numbers are so small, they might CNC everything, but every, almost everyone who does large production stamps stuff. And what happens when you stamp things, you have like a giant hydraulic press and where the dye touches the metal, you get, um, you know, it compresses the metal.
Everett It converts the grain.
Nick Harris And you get deep spots, like spots of high gravity, if it was like a black hole or something. And then when you go to finish it, you have to get through all those spots, or else it'll distort the surface of the metal. And if you're not trained, it kind of just might look mushy it doesn't look flat or uniform and it's more obvious if you flash it in strong light and if you've got a uniform good high quality finish light will pass over it like in an instance like when you say when someone says something's black polished and you look at like the real high stuff high horology stuff it like you know flashes on and off that's like when it's ultra flat so the same with like like a cheap case it might just be kind of stamped and then like they take it quickly to the brushing wheel and they might not get all of like the stamp like all the low spots out um so what that does is it kind of makes the edges a little mushy or you might have some lines in it still and the grain still goes over it but uh the surface is distorted and it's not uniform um Or you could have like not good operator technique. And they might kind of, you know, be a little fast and loose with it. And the grain isn't perfect. And when you have grain that kind of mixes angles, the overall grain can look straight. But when the light catches it, it kind of also looks mushy again. And these are all things like your brain can't put words to them unless they've been explicitly pointed out to you.
Everett Sure. You know, I didn't actually expect the answer to be that complicated.
Nick Harris I mean, I can keep going to different scenarios as well.
Everett I had Andrew muted because he had gotten up. I didn't mean to mute you.
Andrew Well, I went to go get a flashlight to hit the case with like several hundred lumens to look for it. Yeah, but I moved my flashlight. You did move your flashlight. Because I wanted to put your, if you can hit it with light, comment to the test. I just used my iPhone light and I couldn't see anything.
Everett It just was brighter. It's so intangible, right? The quality is both totally apparent, In person, I'm not sure it comes through in pictures, totally apparent and also super intangible. It's really an incredible phenomenon.
Andrew This is one of the coolest watches I think we've ever had in.
Everett So we do have a review of the watch up on YouTube where we talk some about it. Obviously, we're not talking about it from the horse's mouth, which we've got an opportunity to do today. So maybe if we could hit on a couple of other points. One, I suspect that you like a long lug, Nick. I suspect that based on the Orion One, some of your other watches, I think you like a long, extended lug. But here on the Hellcat, we don't have that. We have a really short, compact, sort of, not stubby, but rounded almost at the end lug, which is different than I think the Orion one, which has this really pronounced long, abrupt edge lug. Talk to us a little bit about that, the design of this, where did that come from? Why is it like this versus a longer lug? What were you going for here with that?
Nick Harris Well, Kind of. I guess the Hellcat is kind of an. Is more derivative of the calamity than of the Orion one, I'd say.
Everett I mean, you can't be self-derivative.
Nick Harris Look, I want my watches to look like they're part of the same family. And I think there are a lot of, like, that's very important for me in an existing in the microbrand space. I feel like one of the failures of a lot of brands is that they're different models. Like you might not be able to tell that they're made by the same brand. Like if you covered up the name, you'd have no idea. So I try to keep like the aesthetic similar. I think I have a calamity over here. I'm When you make a thin case with long lugs, long lugs need downturn to be comfortable. And the Nomos Tangente is a perfect example of a thin case, what is like eight millimeters thick or nine millimeters thick or something. But it's got these long flat lugs and they exist in one plane. And it's extremely uncomfortable because of that, unless you have like 6.5 or 6.75 inch wrist, exactly. Yeah, so it's like these watches, like if the lugs are long and don't have downturn, they become uncomfortable. So as the watches get thinner, they do have downturn. But if the lugs remain long, and it turns into a fulcrum. So the Hellcat is like a, it's like calamity, but without crown guards. You can kind of see that
Everett Sure. Sure. Yeah, we can see it.
Nick Harris So I wanted to keep that language there. You know, I thought the Orion one case, I thought, you know, it has a lot of like cool and interesting things going for it, but I think it's a little, I think there's, you know, could use some refinement. And I think I finally have an opportunity to do that with the Hellcat, Calamity and Orion too. And, you know, it just looks a little bloated. You know, it's big and bloaty.
Everett Yeah.
Nick Harris And compare it to the, you know, the the Hellcat is like, look at that.
Everett It's half again as thick, right?
Andrew Also, the world you live in where you can just like turn around and like rummage through some shit and pull out a Calamity, an Orion one, a Hellcat.
Everett Oh, oh, we won't even say what it is. But just just so everybody knows, this is this thing we're looking at right now, which is top secret. Really, really cool.
Andrew We're going to talk about that again. And once we hit the record button again. Aha.
Nick Harris And if the Hellcat was then is even thinner. Fantastic. Nine point five millimeters then.
Everett Nine point five. Can we say what that is?
Nick Harris Yeah. The Orion too.
Everett Okay. And is that sort of final prototype status or?
Nick Harris No. The case is, and I'm just trying to show you that kind of the, yeah, but the case finishing on this is even better than on the health cut.
Everett And has that bracelet, is that, have you shared designs of that bracelet publicly?
Nick Harris I shared kind of like an up close of like, Whoa, look at this cool thing. But no, it's otherwise gonna, a little, I mean, they know generally that it's gonna be like a tombstone bracelet. Sure. But it needs a little work.
Everett But look, that's exciting. That's exciting. Okay, one more thing on the Hellcat. And then we probably got to move on because we're running short on time. So the case back, very similar case to the Calamity, which is that curved
Nick Harris uh that curve yeah how did how did you get how did you get to that was there a lot of work that went into that oh yeah oh yeah that's incredible is that sapphire yeah so the case back on the calamity is sapphire um so the sapphire on the calamity is curved does the crystal itself curve how yeah yeah oh shit curved as well on the calamity and it's uh for the calamity that sapphire is more about comfort than for showing off the movement because the sapphire warms up like exactly to your body temperature and it feels like nothing is there, where steel always kind of feels a little clammy, but the sapphire, it makes the watch feel invisible. And on the Calamity, this was a little bit of an, yeah, so this with a domed crystal too. Oh, cause you know. Um, but yeah, it is a little bit of a engineering feat on this one to get it to 200 meters water resistance with this style case back and that's in this, um, on the Hellcat, not so much because it's a fixed bezel and, um, a solid steel case back. Excuse me. So I think, you know, the, uh, the Hellcat's actually 200 meters water resistant. Um,
Everett The Hellcat is 200. I've read it listed at 100.
Nick Harris Right. I'm just marketing it as 100. I see. But it's actually engineered to 200.
Andrew So we've got we've got two more questions for you. This is the most perfect dive sport. This could potentially beat the Saab. The Saab? Yeah.
Everett Oh, no, it does. We've got a rubric. We've got a rubric that we employ on watches occasionally, which is what Andrew is talking about. So the Saab has for a long time been sort of the leader of our 40 and 20 rating system.
Nick Harris Uh-huh.
Everett It's a good watch. And he's suggesting that this might take over that top spot. So two more questions. One, I want to ask you a little bit about pricing, and we can be brief, and I know watchmakers don't love to talk about pricing, but I think that the Calamity 1400, 1500, final pricing on that? 1500. 1500. Yeah. 600, which is, you know, you make that jump to the Calamity and it's, it's sort of next level Manta ish pricing, Oken Oscar type pricing. Yeah. Come back with the Hellcat toe, much more sort of Hallios level. Where are we thinking with the Orion two? I say we as if you were collaborating. We're collaborating here.
Andrew We can probably we can probably bargain you down to more into the like, I don't know, free.
Nick Harris It'll be up around the calamity pricing. I'm kind of pulling out all the stops for, you know, the quality. So the case quality is going to be higher than the calamity. It's going to be just Uh, it's, it's going to be up there. It should, when it's done, it should, I don't want to like shoot myself in the foot here, but it should be like top tier for micro brands.
Everett What are your biggest variable line items when it comes to that stuff? You know, how was it that you're able to have a $600 watch and a $1,500 watch being marketed at the same time with our probably I'm guessing similar margins. Uh, what do you mean by that? Well, I mean, what are the biggest variable line items? I mean, how is it, uh, where do the, where does the change come from? I assume your, your margin is the same, but, but what is it that pushes that price where we have a over two times as much from watch to watch in the same, in the same catalog?
Nick Harris Uh, so just alone, like, uh, the movement costs quite a bit. So, um, like the 2892 or the Selita 300 that is in the Calamity or the Orion 2, you know, that's a movement that costs, you know, that retails more than most micro brand watches retail. Sure. So that's an expensive movement. And then when you have to buy like 100, 200 of those, that's a pretty significant investment. Um, for the Orion two, the bracelet is going to be incredibly expensive. Uh, you know, I think at the end of the day, every single link is going to have to be machined and it's, but it's going to be worth it.
Everett Um, yeah, I can tell you right now, just looking at it, if it's finished to the same degree of the Hellcat, it's going to be worth it. So Andrew's got one more question for you.
Andrew So ever talked about a little bit earlier. You made a comment in an interview that watch collectors and watch creators are polar opposites, and that was the biggest shock to you in your orology, horology, however you want to say it. We say things how we want here. Journey. Yeah. Noise. Yeah. Could you could you elaborate a little bit on that?
Nick Harris Yes. I think what I, the question was like the monochrome, uh, they asked what a big shock was and, or, well, basically I said, uh, that watchmakers or polar opposites from watch collectors.
Everett Yep.
Nick Harris Yep. Um, what I meant from that is most watchmakers that I know are kind of, you know, they're kind of aloof and funny characters. And they're not very taken by watches, in the same way a collector might be.
Andrew Because collectors can get neckbeardy.
Nick Harris Yeah, I guess you could, you know, well, they mean something different to collectors.
Everett Yeah, but watchmakers can get neckbeardy too. It's just different, right? That's their job.
Nick Harris Watchmakers are extremely technical. Yeah. And it's their job. I think I might have a little bit more like in between because I have a little bit of passion driving me, but a lot of watchmakers, it's their job. And you know, some of them might work on a $500,000 watch or a $50,000 watch, and they kind of just laugh at it. And they think it's like funny or stupid. And it's just like, And it's like their job to have like customers breathing down their neck about this goofy, ugly watch. And they just like, don't care about it. And, you know, they sit there and they just work on watches all day and they enjoy working on their watches. And then they get like these guys freaking out about their watches rolling in. They just like, you know, they're just like here to fix their watch. And they've got like some fancy guy. It's just, there's a huge dichotomy. Sure.
Andrew I can dig that.
Nick Harris And I love it.
Everett The high end race car mechanic who drives a Toyota Solara home that is barely running.
Nick Harris Right. Lots of my watchmaker friends don't even wear watches or don't really care about watches. You know, it's I've had watchmaker friends tell me they think watches are a scam. It's I believe it.
Andrew I can dig that. I have one last question, though, before we because we're running pretty, pretty.
Everett We're deeper into it.
Andrew I've got one last question. How's the constellation doing?
Nick Harris It's doing well.
Andrew It's hanging out. Did you service it?
Nick Harris I did not. I ended up having a local watchmaker service it before I went to watchmaking school. Shucks.
Andrew I was hoping to hear this really cool story. I opened it up.
Nick Harris And I looked at it and I was like, maybe I'll regulate this some more. And then I like poked around. This was at watchmaking school. And I was like, uh, maybe I won't regulate this. And then I closed it back up.
Everett Okay. Certainly at this stage. It was running pretty well. Certainly at this stage, you had the skill you would need to work on that watch though.
Nick Harris Yeah. I've serviced many vintage Omegas just like it. In fact, I have one on my bench right now. Very similar to it.
Andrew Would you service your own Constellation?
Nick Harris Yeah. Okay.
Andrew I've serviced my own watches before. I'm just curious about the heirloom servicing.
Nick Harris So yeah, it's kind of, you know, I think it's gotten to the point where I don't think I would trust many other people with my watches.
Everett I like that. Other things, Andrew, go.
Andrew I have an embarrassing other thing. I can't wait.
Everett So. You actually turned red. I did. All right. Bring it.
Andrew I'm more red than my pop filter. Bring it. So my wife.
Everett Don't fucking blame your wife. No, no, no.
Andrew So my wife.
Everett No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Andrew No, no. Hang on. Stop. My wife has this Marco Polo chat group with her close friends and we have this kind of circle of friends were with the girls. Yeah. There's like 10 of us and we're all married and everyone's friends with each other. And it's this, it was cool when we didn't have kids. It's less cool now that there's like fucking 25 people and we try to go places. Um, anyway, that's neither here nor there. So anyway, she is, uh, they have this Marco Polo group and they decided they wanted to watch a trashy show together and Marco Polo while they were watching it and texting each other about it and they started watching Love is Blind.
Everett You're just gonna pin this straight on your wife.
Andrew Well I'm gonna pin the Genesis on her.
Everett Okay.
Andrew So I worked late the other night. I worked late every night this week. It kind of sucked. Well I mean I get paid more money when I work late but I worked late every night this week. So I come home late from work one night and, um, I, I walked through the door and she says, don't judge me. We're watching the show because we all decided we're going to watch this trashy show together and it's called love is blind and it's, it's a Netflix show and it, I would liken it to the bachelor in, in the way of a quality of watching.
Everett But everybody's like segregated.
Andrew I'll go into that. So the whole premise is that all these folks. Volunteer for this experiment and the the Lachey family, like a couple.
Everett Sure. Nick Mark.
Andrew Yeah, Nick and his wife. I don't know her name. They're not Jessica Simpson. Whatever her fucking name is, man. I don't know. I'm embarrassed right now. You can see the redness.
Everett So now get to the part where you say you loved this show and you're going to recommend it.
Andrew Anyway, so they're a part of it. These people all volunteer for this experiment. They go into these pods. I'm air quoting pods. And it's these rooms where they can't see the person. It's speed dating, but you can't see the person. And they go on these dates. And then they have to decide if they're going to propose to one of these other people or not. They propose. I got there after the proposals. And I started watching the show and I'm digging it. I'm digging it for two reasons. Number one is it's a perfect background show where you do, you just do not give a shit about the people that are involved in it, but it's nice background noise. And number two, when you are engaged in it, I love judging these people. They suck. All of them. They're just, they just all suck. But that's so that's why I liken it to The Bachelor, and that you watch it and you feel a little bit better about who you are as a person. Sure. And just the way you behave as a human adult. And if you're looking for something to kind of pick you up and make you feel better about yourself as a human being, as a functioning adult in the in the human adult world, check out Love is Blind on Netflix. It's a it's a It's a limited series, so we're not going to have the same bachelor, bachelorette, uh, franchise associated with it. There's like 10 or so episodes aired at this point. You can waste a lot of time and you can, the nice thing about a show like that being on is you can play some games on your phone. You can catch up on whatever it is that you do on your phone that you feel Like you're behind on.
Everett Watch the new 40 and 20 review.
Andrew You can watch the new 40 and 20 review. You can listen to one of our podcasts and you can just look at these people and judge them. But I'm embarrassed to say I've been enjoying watching it.
Everett All right. HBO, HBO Go, a new series called The Outsider. I think we're through episode six now. This is a Stephen King adaptation and it is. Oh, That's my Andrew Uhuhus.
Andrew My Uhuhus.
Everett Yeah. Phenomenal. From the very, like 10 minutes in, I looked at my wife and I was like, holy shit, this is compelling. They rolled the story out. I think episode three, four, it gets a little slow. I think I looked at her and said, it kind of feels like we're doing the same thing over and over again. And so there was an element of that, but then they come back and they inject some new information. And this thing, this thing is the you know, season one True Detective of 2020. Totally, totally phenomenal. Creepy, compelling, not scary. People, I think people see Stephen King and they think, oh, this is going to be scary. It's scary, but not in the cheap cinematic thriller. It's it's thrilling and creepy, like like there's the scene that happened, I think, in episode five that rolls out in over the course of like three scenes. And like the more I sort of thought back to what happened, the creepier it got. Like it wasn't, it wasn't that creepy the way they presented it, but then as they sort of get back into it, it was like, Ooh, and then, and then, Oh, you know, like just really well done. The actors are phenomenal. Uh, the pace on it is as good as any series I've seen in many, many years. Uh, pace, plot rollout, acting, bubbing. It's in front for me for 2020 and probably 2019 as well. Totally amazing. The Outsider, HBO. Don't miss it.
Andrew Can I tease next week's other things from Andrew? Yeah, please.
Everett October Faction. Ooh. Okay. That's a teaser. That's it. That's the tease. Other things. Nick, do you got something?
Nick Harris Uh, have you guys recommended Witcher yet?
Andrew Am I allowed to talk about that? You can talk about Witcher all you want.
Everett Yeah, I think we've talked about it a little bit, but let's, let's hear it.
Nick Harris Yeah. Oh, I don't know. I, um, just Witcher, Netflix. Uh, it's got big goofy hair on, uh, Henry Cavill. Lots of hair. Yeah. Lots of hair. I don't know. I didn't play the games or read the books, but I had lots of brain. It's kind of like the Rolex Submariner. Everyone tells you how great it is. And then so I watched the show and it's campy. It's fun. It's a little campy, but you kind of get used to it. And then and then you get really into it and then you watch it three times and then and then you start seeing that song. Right. It's going to your Witcher.
Andrew I felt like it got less campy as it progressed. The pilot was super campy and I was like, I don't know if I'm gonna be able to deal with this.
Everett That opening scene is like, what are we doing here? You can do better. And then it kind of cleans up.
Nick Harris I feel like it might, it's kind of like Nintendo 64 games. You know, it's like your brain adapts to the graphics and it's like, you know, thinking back to gold and I are like, Oh yeah, totally. Like odd job. And like, and then you go back and play them now. How did I play this?
Andrew Why is that guy carrying a two by four painted with gold?
Nick Harris Yeah. I think your brain like compensates.
Everett Why is it that when I press a button, nothing happens for like six seconds? Yeah. And so one of the things that comes up when people talk about The Witcher is how hard it is to follow at first. Oh yeah, I want to talk about that. Do you feel that course corrected at some point?
Nick Harris No, I had to watch, I watched it and I was like, that's cool, but what the fuck was going on? And then I looked up a timeline and I was like, oh, that makes a lot more sense. And then I watched it again and I didn't, I had like the timeline there and I was like, oh, they don't fucking age. And then my friend was like, look, there's King Foltest as a little kid. It's like, okay, yeah, that's a two second little detail that I didn't really care about.
Everett But the change is the change is the dynamic.
Nick Harris Yeah, it's like a very small continuity detail, but it's tough because it's like nobody ages. Right. Like it's all jumping around. Well, but you get a little timeline thing going. It's it helps out timeline without spoilers.
Everett Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew Can you Google that and will it be beneficial?
Everett Yeah, we'll need to figure out a way to publish something. A Witcher timeline watch primer.
Andrew For those of you who aren't caught up on Stranger Things, there's a new trailer out.
Everett Oh, also, there's a trailer for Westworld.
Andrew Oh, God.
Everett Westworld season three trailer came out.
Andrew Life's getting good. All right.
Everett An hour nine. Oh, geez. Or maybe even more than that. Yeah, because we had to reset. Uh, so Nick, why don't you tell us, tell us people real quick how to find you.
Nick Harris Um, you can go to Orion watch.com and that's just Orion watch. I sent one watch because I don't have that many in inventory, or you can go to Instagram at Orion watches. I think that's my handle. I don't even know anymore or yep. I'm pretty sure that's it.
Everett There's watches by Nick and Orion watches, but Orion's where they find the Orion stuff.
Nick Harris Yeah. Yeah.
Everett And so ship date on the Hellcat?
Nick Harris I was hoping for April, but it looks like that is going to be pushed back due to coronavirus. So I'm hoping spring, spring sometime, maybe.
Everett Late spring.
Nick Harris It's hard to say.
Everett Late spring, shipping on the Hellcat, 600 bucks. Find them at orionwatch.com.
Andrew Maybe at the conclusion of coronavirus, we can have you back, Nick, to talk about the coronavirus with respect to watches.
Nick Harris Yeah, supply chain. And yes, and bracelets are bracelet prototypes in two weeks. In two weeks, yeah. I know you were talking about that. I'll have those. Ylink. Very cool.
Everett All right. Any last thoughts, Andrew?
Andrew No.
Everett All right. Anything else, Nick?
Nick Harris Thank you so much for having me guys.
Everett Thanks for coming. We love this. Thanks for joining us, man. So and thank you for joining us for this episode of 40 and 20. Check us out on Instagram at 40 and 20. Check Nick out, orionwatch.com and orionwatches on Instagram. Check us out on patreon.com. That's where we get all the support for the show. That's how we pay for hosting. That's how we pay for microphones. patreon.com slash 40 and 20. Also check out the Hellcat review that's on our YouTube channel right now. Don't forget to tune back in next Thursday for another hour of watches. food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Andrew Buh-bye.
Everett Andrew has one job and he blew it. One job every episode.