Episode 7 - Our Christmas Lists

Published on Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:45:00 -0800

Synopsis

The hosts Andrew and Everett discuss gift ideas for around $50 or less, suitable for watch enthusiasts and others interested in everyday carry items. They cover knives, watch straps, watches themselves like the Timex Waterbury, pen accessories, socks, and other practical items. The conversation touches on their personal experiences using and collecting these types of items.

Transcript

Speaker
Everett Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. This is the 40 in 20 podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and learn things we like. Everett, how are you?
Andrew I'm really good, Andrew. Thank you for asking. Recording a little earlier than normal, so... So it's red beer time. So it's red beer time. Well, you know, I don't drink red beers anywhere enough. Well, I mean, I don't know if there's a limited or a minimum amount of red beers you need to drink, It's not something I drink very often, but it's super breakfast-y and it goes really well with coffee.
Everett I'm double fisting here. It does. To me, it feels better than a Bloody Mary. You're getting that same flavor profile, but I can have a red beer in the morning and not feel sluggish, but if I have a Bloody Mary or a mimosa, I'm a slug. I went to this place in Austin called Bangers, and they had a beverage they called a manmosa. A manmosa. like a liter of champagne and a splash of orange juice. And I had it one time and we lived like 60 miles north of Austin. I had it one time and I full well knew my wife was driving. So we get done with brunch and I get in the car and I'm like, I need to go to sleep. And I, I then woke up at home. Like I just, I was just lights out. I, and then I was useless the rest of the day. I don't know if I can attribute that to the, that it was a mimosa or that it was a liter of champagne.
Andrew Yeah. No champagne.
Everett much champagne wrecks me man uh gives me a headache it makes me feel like drunk yeah no i certainly was uh and to be expected but uh yeah no i i just i prefer i mean you're getting a light beer and some some of that nice spicy tomato juice flavor i brought a chipotle bloody mary mix it's it's good it's i mean obviously we we've spiked this a little bit with
Andrew A little bit of extra Tabasco. Tabasco, but the Bloody Mary Mix just in and of itself is good. Yeah. Yeah, pretty tasty. Yeah, I like it. I've usually had these, I think, with just V8 or something. You know, you put V8 in them and then you add a bunch of shit. This is so much easier. Glug, glug, glug, glug, glug.
Everett Yeah. I dig it. I like Bloody Mary Mix for it because that's the flavor you want anyway.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett So I wish we did look for celery salt because it could use just a Just a little touch of it.
Andrew Sorry, man, my cupboard sucks. It doesn't, but I just have the things that I use regularly.
Everett But I don't have celery salt in my house. If we were at my house, I would have pulled out some Old Bay because it's got enough celery in there that that would have been the addition.
Andrew You know, we're a Johnny's family. I think people use seasoning salt. You know, you're either Lowry's or Johnny's or Old Bay.
Everett I think that's my... I have Johnny's, but I think Old Bay is like its own unique category.
Andrew It's got that more seafood.
Everett Yeah, it's only for very specific application for me. Johnny's goes on everything. But Old Bay stays in the cabinet for specific application for like fish and for I use it on chicken sometimes and it's not in all the time. You ever use Lowry's seasoning salt? No, but I know of it and I can't tell you why I don't buy it and I buy Johnny's instead. I have no answer for you.
Andrew So I've had almost the same exact thought process about it in my head is that I wonder if it's a regional thing if we If we use Johnny's here and they use, um, Lowry's somewhere else, like other parts of the country, but you've lived other parts of the country.
Everett Yeah, but I've never examined people's pantries. Sure.
Andrew Sure. Yeah. Well, that, I mean, that would've been weird.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew You know, the other one that we use with some frequency is Tony Chachere's. Chachere's? Chachere's? I don't even know what you're talking about. Oh, well, it's a, uh, like more of a Cajun seasoning salt. So it's, um, a little spicier, um, but, but super salty. I mean, all of those seasoning salts have, I would prefer them to have, I think about half as much salt as they do. Cause then you can, you know, salt to get the flavors and salt to taste, but they, they loaded up. I think they want it to be an all in one for high blood pressure folk, but, or for aspiring high blood pressure folk. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, but yeah, Tony Chachere's is the other one that I use pretty frequently and it's, it's good. I like it. It's, it's, I, we use it less since we've had kids.
Everett Are you familiar with Grill Your Ass Off? Uh-uh. So they are a company that do, uh, spice mixtures specifically for like their, their, their target demographic, their marketing and branding is all around grilling. Right. And they've got one that I like and, and keep regularly at the house called Gunpowder and it's just a pure black, seasoning and it's they they say it's for brisket and for beef and But I use it on everything. It's really smoky. It's got a little bit of salt to it. It's got it's just it's a really well well-designed spice mix and they've got dozens in their lineup of you've put that on something we've had before and I'm Blanking on what it might be jerky.
Andrew Oh, yeah, that's what it was on the jerky Yeah, tell us about your jerky because your jerky is is unique.
Everett Yeah, so it's it is like a As I grew up, my mom always made jerky on the dehydrator. I don't know that I ever had not ground meat for jerky until I was older. My jerky method is taking ground – I use ground beef for it. Mix it up just like I'm doing burgers and season it. I usually use a little bit of Worcestershire and then whatever I've got. I use some gunpowder, some Worcestershire sauce, Worcestershire.
Andrew Worcestershire sauce. There's a town in Massachusetts that I was in for a bit of time a few years ago and they, like, I remember talking to people about this and I'd be like, Worcester. And they'd say, no, no, no, Worcester. And I'd say, oh, Worcester. No, no, no, no, Worcester. It's not a wuh, it's a ruh. But I don't know if the sauce is pronounced the same way. I don't even think they're spelled the same way.
Everett Definitely not. But you know what I'm saying when I struggle through this word. A little bit of brown sugar. onion powder, garlic powder, some cayenne, some red pepper flakes. And then I roll it out on it and put some wax paper on the, on the countertop and I plop it down and I just work it out. And then I put another piece of wax paper on top and I use a rolling pin and thin it out and then a pizza slicer and cut it into strips and then put it on my dehydrator for like 20 hours. I mean, I don't think you can over dry it. I've never experienced over drying it. And then it's, It's, what I like about it is that it doesn't get stuck in your teeth. You're not like ripping at it. It's like meat crackers.
Andrew Well, listen, listening to you talk about it right now, it doesn't sound appealing to me. I'm listening to you describe it before you made it for me. It didn't sound appealing.
Everett It's so fricking good. It's easy to chew. It breaks up easily. It's, you're not like having to bite and rip at it like an animal.
Andrew Um, and it's, it's, uh, I mean, meat crackers, right?
Everett It's got a texture to it where Unlike jerky, but it's still dried meat and it's, it's easily chewable. It lasts. I want some more of that. Are you, are you making another batch? I typically make it during hunting season because I make many pounds of it. And then most of it I consume before it goes in my pack. Yeah, I'll just get it in the rotation. Sam doesn't like it because it means the dehydrator is out. Like in July, the dehydrator leaves its storage place and hits the counter. basically it runs until September. Because it takes a while to do. Oh, I do jerky, I do fruit, I do food, like I take leftovers and I put it on the tray to dehydrate food. So that it just goes into either like a vacuum seal or a Ziploc bag to be able to rehydrate. Because I don't like to buy $9 per serving, like per meal, dehydrated meals. Yeah. Even though they're good. Yeah, so that's what I do. It just runs constantly leading into a period of time. And Sam doesn't like it being out. It takes up a lot of space on the counter.
Andrew Well, what if you put it like on your dryer or something? That's reasonable.
Everett Do you have a top load dryer? A front load. That's probably, that would probably be.
Andrew Then it's still, you're going to see it. You're not going to forget about it.
Everett But yeah, that might be more reasonable. Because if you put it on the shop or something. Yeah, then it's definitely getting. Out of sight, out of mind. Yeah. But anyway, it sits out. So I'll do some more jerky here soon because it's, It's good. This year I made a couple spicy versions. I did a pretty good mixture of sriracha and yellow bird habanero and it turned out not as spicy as I'd like. I find that spice cooks out so fast. You have to make something absolutely inedibly spicy as a rub or as a marinade to hold any of that heat through it. They turned out a little bit spicy. When I tried the mix, because I made this black paste to work into the into the jerky of like sriracha, of that yellow bird, of some gunpowder, everything. And I tasted it and it immediately made my eyes water. It was so spicy. I think I might have even texted you that this was melt your face spicy. And then I rolled it out, dehydrated it, and it had just a little bit of punch left. So I'm still working on how to how to maintain that heat.
Andrew Yeah. Well, you know, one of our first sort of spicy hot chicken or fried chicken ventures, I made a, I made a pre-mix, a rub that I thought that we're not going to be able to eat this because it was so, it was so hot. And then I think after we cooked it, it was eh. Even the kids liked it. Yeah. That's right. The kids ate it. Yeah. Yeah.
Everett Little kids. It's not to say it was good or not good. It's not to say it wasn't good still, but you gotta, heat cooks out so quickly and so completely that you just, you gotta really, really get it hot.
Andrew I wonder if there are, I wonder if there's heat that is less prone to cooking out. Cause I don't know. I'm not, I'm not advanced enough in my culinary exploits to know that, but I know like when we, we use dry, dry peppers, those things lose 65, 75% of their heat in the cooking process. Maybe more than that.
Everett Yeah. I mean, in fried chicken, I did, uh, I breaded, uh, cheese curds and extra flamin' hot Cheetos. Boom. And it was good. It was good for the novelty, but it wasn't any more spicy than breadcrumbs. And I ended up using like half of my bag of extra flamin' hot Cheetos. That's sad. So, I mean, it was good. It was, it was a good experience and I'm probably not going to continue to experiment with it to see if it, maybe I was cooking them too hot. Maybe I cooked them too long. I'm just going to bread them in breading. Or like panko or something to say crispy and then eat flaming hot Cheetos, right? Right because the Cheetos are so good. Oh, they're so good the first time I the first time I saw him I bought him I was like walking down the aisle of a store and I saw this black flaming hot Cheetos is an extra flaming hot Hello. Oh, hello. Where have you been all my life you you were for me And I got him and I tried to swipe swipe, right?
Andrew Yeah, wait, which way do you swipe if you want it right into my mouth? Yeah Swipe right into my mouth.
Everett And I got him, my nose ran a little bit, and I was like, oh, where have you been my whole life? And then I tried him on cheese curds and it was a bit of a letdown.
Andrew At least I still had plenty of the bag left to eat. So yes or no, lime with your Cheetos? I know it's controversial.
Everett If I'm using chopsticks, yeah. But I had a guy that used to work for me who would hot Cheeto dip in lime and his fingertips, his like thumb, index and middle finger were perpetually stained from dipping it in the citrus. So I like that. I like putting a whole crap load of Tapatío on like Cool Ranch Doritos, but I don't like to use my hands for it because they get stained and they get nasty and then inevitably I'm going to rub my eye or pick my nose and we're going to have, I'm personally, nobody else suffers this, but I'm personally going to have a rough time.
Andrew There will be tears. Certainly. Hey, so the most important thing you'll ever learn on 40 in 20, this is a pro tip and we're both pros. I think so. Cheetos are best eaten with chopsticks. No finger staining. No finger staining. The, I mean, you can eat them right out of the bag. The chopsticks, the chopsticks get deep.
Everett So then you're also not getting staining on the back of your knuckles or up your wrist like a real animal. Cause that's, that's my, and then I'm licking my, I look like a cat. I'm like licking off Cheeto dust off my wrist.
Andrew Is that Cheeto dust on your elbow?
Everett Like the, like the commercials when he brings out the black light and everyone's covered in dust. Uh, yeah.
Andrew Chopsticks. I don't know. I don't know where I, I didn't, I didn't make this up. I got this pro tip from someone else, but have incorporated it into my life, my everyday life. And, uh, right. I'm now EDC-ing chopsticks. I know a lot of people eat popcorn with chopsticks too. I've never tried it. I mean, I think it's the same principle.
Everett Yeah. I mean, it keeps your fingers clean and I have, I have texture issues like with things on my hand. I absolutely hate gunk on my hands. Like I use, I wear rubber gloves when I do anything on the car. Like I, I don't like it. So learning, like incorporating chopsticks into my snack food habits has done two things. One, it's got my hands clean. Two, I find that I eat a little bit slower and potentially less.
Andrew Yeah, I mean it's a little bit more deliberate process.
Everett Yeah, because I can't just, you can't eat eight Cheetos off a chopstick. You can eat eight Cheetos out of your hand, which I think is the prescribed serving. Right.
Andrew It's the same thing with French fries, right? If you just dig into that McDonald's box. You can get like 12 of them.
Everett I don't do that though. I, I, uh, I kind of squish it together and then I take bites of them like a, like a burrito. I do. I don't, I just, I don't like greasy fingers. I like that. I saw somebody doing it once and I was like, how have I never thought of this? So I just, I tear the, the wrapper apart and just eat it like a, like a burrito that's wrapped.
Andrew You could do like get one of those bamboo rollers and do like a nori french fry roll.
Everett You know, it would I think be really good to make a sushi roll wrapped with french fries.
Andrew Isn't that what I just said?
Everett Yeah, no, but include fish now. I think we're stepping it up. I'm taking your idea and I'm building and growing it. Okay. I think that'd be really good.
Andrew Yeah, I like where your head's at. Some spicy mayo. Spicy tuna wrapped in french fries. Fuck, man. Uh-oh. Let's go to the store. Yeah, no, that sounds amazing. That sounds amazing. Yeah. Yeah, so So so maybe you're a soft thumbs up on on lime on your oh, I love it.
Everett Yeah But I require I can't eat it by hand.
Andrew Yeah, you know, I one of my favorite snacks is those Duros the the wheels. I don't know what they're made up. They're like delicious fried orange wheels made of some paste. I think it's like a pork fat and wheat mixture that they fry. And, uh, you know, if you ever go to a good, a good Mexican place, they'll, they'll sauce them. They, they put them in a plastic bag and douse them with sauce and shake the shit out of them. And then you eat them with lime. Also a good, a good thing to eat with chopsticks if you're so inclined, but it's that same sort of, uh, that same sort of cracker fried cracker with with a wet sauce on it. I really like it.
Everett And they absorb the sauce so well and it just it just penetrates in there and it just gets delicious. I dig it, man. I saw extra flamin' hot Funyuns the other day and I did almost buy those.
Andrew Why didn't you buy those?
Everett I already had extra flamin' hot Cheetos.
Andrew At the same time? Yeah.
Everett OK. Not like in my hand, but in my in my grocery cart. I had I had them together. I felt a little uncomfortable having both of them in my cart.
Andrew You know Funyuns is one of those things, uh, I ate them as a kid. I, I don't, as a grownup, it's not something that I call myself a grownup.
Everett I, I don't eat them that regularly, but when I do, I, I go ham on them there. I love them. I'm always self-conscious about my grocery cart because when I was in college, um, I was buying one of the, like a package of top ramen. Cause I like the ramen noodles. Like I, I like to either boil them or fry them, but I use them as a noodle base. frequently and other things, but I was in the grocery store and they were like right by the front door. So it was one of the first things that I picked up. So I'm pushing this cart and it just has Top Ramen in there. And this older gentleman, he was probably in his forties at the time, maybe fifties. He looked at me and he goes, son, you need to learn to cook. And I took offense to it because I was like, I'm not just like living on Top Ramen. Like take a look at my cart at the end of it. But I'm still to this day, always self-conscious about what is in my cart and when it's in my cart relative to like everything else that has already been added. just because of that one experience of this guy being like, this kid can't cook. I don't know how he's lived this long.
Andrew Right, and the insinuation there is that everybody's judging you. I'm just the only one who is going to say something.
Everett Yeah, who's bold enough to. And I took offense to it because at that time, my roommates and I, we did Friday dinners where we would build a three or four course menu. We'd do these really extravagant dinners, pair them with cocktails. We'd spend Friday afternoon cooking in this house that I lived in. And I just want to be like, dude, I'm certain I eat better than you. I'm buying these noodles because they're cheap, easy to make noodles. Don't judge me.
Andrew Yeah, you know, it's such a weird thing, right? Because I know you and I both, we cook a lot. We're probably the primary chefs in our home. Kim cooks a lot, bless her heart, as well. But in terms of being creative and culinary, I think I'm the driving force in our house of that exercise. I think it's probably the same in your house. We're both pretty creative. We cook the same way. We collect watches. We want to know more and we learn. But I can get down on a quarter pound of cheese too or Cheetos with freaking lime on them. And we drink beer the same way. We're both kind of beer snobs. We love good beer and this morning we're drinking some of the cheapest beer you can buy in our red beers.
Everett You know, there's an application for everything.
Andrew There's an application for everything and and being a being someone who's Interested in something does not mean you have to be a snob. We jokingly refer to ourselves as watch snobs, but I've got a Timex What do you call that watch?
Everett I'm wearing a Casio f91.
Andrew Yeah, right. I mean We easy reader. I've got a Timex easy reader that I wear pretty frequently and It's noisy and terrible and cheap and it's a plated brass case and I just kind of like it. I had it before I was really collecting watches and I would buy it again for the 30 bucks or whatever I spent on it. So, you know, being, you don't have to be a snob, being a watch snob doesn't mean you have to be an actual snob about the way you
Everett Collect it and and same with food right being a food snob doesn't mean you can't eat the cheap dirty shit if you enjoy it or Openly judge some kid at the grocery store to it like not just judge because I judge people all the time That's like probably my worst quality But I don't walk up to people be like hey Your your shoes are stupid like you really chose to wear that to the grocery store Like no, you don't do that because it's it's like and what it's not like you said. Hey, here's a cookbook He just said son. You need to learn to cook It's like, dude, you don't know what I'm doing. Go away. Obviously, if he said that to me now, I'd look at his card and be like, really? That's what you're buying and going to tell me I'm doing something wrong? But I'm 10 years older.
Andrew You should have done a breakdance fight with him right then and there.
Everett I still probably would have lost that.
Andrew You may have. Did he look like he had the skills to pay the bills?
Everett No, I don't have any memory. I only remember the demographic of the guy. I don't remember what he looks like.
Andrew And you remember the feeling of shame that years later still infiltrates your conversations. Well, you know, I know these people love Cheetos, but I gather they probably didn't tune in. Do you think maybe we should get to our main topic? Maybe.
Everett Yeah, as you pour me, as we're, as we're making another, another series of red beer here. So apologize the, uh, the dripping noises.
Andrew So these red beers, we're, we're going to spike these with Tabasco. If you're not having your red beers as hot as you can possibly stand them, you're doing it wrong. I want my lips to tingle. Yeah. And my lips are tingling actually right now.
Everett Yeah. Just, just, just the right amount. And we're stirring with a chopstick.
Andrew Chopsticks look at us, you know, maybe we need to maybe we need this to do an episode on the best chopsticks I don't know if I if I'm qualified to have that conversation Yeah, no, I'm certainly not qualified Well, we'll get into our main topic today in the spirit of the holiday season.
Everett We decided to take a break from our typical watch centric and talk mostly today about other things we like Primarily because I imagine you're the same way, but I am terrible to shop for. Because I just buy the things that I want. So come Christmas time, I have usually spent the entire year buying the things that I want and like anyway. And it makes me incredibly difficult to shop for. And I would venture a guess that there's a lot of people out there who are the same way. So what we wanted to do was pitch a couple ideas, share a couple things that we either own, that we've used, or things that we're pretty close to buying for ourselves anyway. And go from there. Just give some folks some ideas. This is in no way endorsed. This is just our typical conversation of things that we like.
Andrew Yeah, we're not affiliate marketing here. Although you may be inclined to think we're trying to hawk wares. We're not making any money on any of this stuff. Although anybody who's listening, if you're an owner of one of these companies, please reach out because we'll take your money.
Everett Yeah. Or just your thing. I don't need money for it. I just want the things that are on this list.
Andrew Right, right. Yeah, so what do you have to start with?
Everett So our ground rules were $50 or under gifts. Because I think we both agreed that that's a pretty reasonable price point. Yeah, $50-ish or under.
Andrew And I think we have stuff that goes all the way from $20 to... I've got one that's probably just over.
Everett Yeah, and so that was the premise of our... of our Christmas lists for this year, and I cheated right off the bat. I chose something that is something that I've been interested in. I'm looking at it for several months. It's called Bespoke Post. Bespoke Post. Yes. Okay. And it is a online subscription, monthly subscription variety box. And the nice thing about it is that you don't, I've never bought one, but I'm still subscribed. So every month, I think it's the first three days of the month, You can come in, you can opt out of any of that month's boxes, or you can pick your box. So they have one, when you create your profile, you talk about your preferences, things that you like, and they tailor, they're not tailored to you, but based on your preferences, they pick the box that they think from that month's options that most likely fits you.
Andrew So are yours always just like fried chicken and Cheetos?
Everett If they sold fried chicken and Cheetos, I'd be buying it every month. This month, the one that they recommended to me, I forget what the name of it was, but it was a nice little wooden serving tray. uh, a decanter and two tumbler glasses. It's $45 per box. Uh, there's extra add-ons that you can add to these boxes. They often offer free shipping on orders. They offer regular discounts on their boxes using their promo codes. Um, but it's a, a pretty diverse, like I think a really well curated list of box options. Uh, I've seen on there like lambskin driving gloves I've seen on there, uh, like canvas, um, canvas weekender bags, uh, There's one that was a bottle opener, a folding knife, a notebook, and a steel pen shaft. Just a pretty diverse group of things for somebody who, I don't think anyone's gonna be upset about duplicating any of the things on there, but an affordable gift that you can say, hey, you know, I bought you your first box, pick the one you want, and then you don't ever have to buy a box again. A nice thoughtful gift that's saying, hey, I know that you'd like these types of things. I don't know exactly what you want, but this seems to fit your lifestyle and they seem to have something for for mostly anyone they've got tech stuff they've got outdoor stuff they've got them one of the ones a couple months ago was a was a backpacking burner and some mountain house meals um so a wide array of of things is it pretty easy to turn it off or unsubscribe from it if you want to yeah you uh as long as you get in there in the first three days you can just opt out of that box but they do free returns so even if you forget you send it back and then you're you're not out anything right
Andrew Right. That's always my concern with that, you know, like a Columbia house CD subscription, you wind up with, you know, getting sent to collections for $400 worth of CDs that you don't listen to.
Everett So you were convinced you paid one penny per CD for right.
Andrew They get you, they get you. Yeah. What have you got? It was the first one on my list is something we've both owned, um, and, and both currently own, but, It's a pocket knife and it's not a tactical pocket knife. It's probably an anti-tactical pocket knife made by an American company, Case. Case makes a ton of knives. Pretty much any form factor you're into minus the tactical form factor. The one I like is the Case Sodbuster Jr. It's a smaller size of their full-size Sodbuster. It's easily pocketable. Um, a small, you know, two, I think it's a two and a half inch blade, kind of a drop point, uh, rounded blade. It's not a sticky, it's not a stabby knife, uh, at all. Also not quite a Skinner blade, kind of a middle of the road drop point style blade. I have the yellow handled version. It's like a yellow Delrin or some sort of plastic material. They're, they're just cool. They're made in the United States. They're made by real human beings. Um, they're obviously using machines, but, uh, the, the type of, of knife that is not going to be high precision. This is not CAD drawn out. Um, someone made this thing on a wheel. They've grinded it on a wheel. I like it with the chrome vanadium or the carbon steel blade. Different. It's different than I think what you're going to find at, at, at Dick's or, or Cabela's or something. They're really beautiful. They look like grandpa's knife.
Everett They absolutely do. And they have a whole variety of color options for grips.
Andrew I think they have like antler grips.
Everett Yeah, they've got all kinds of different colored plastics. They've got different texturing on them. But they really are just super classic, timeless looking pocket knives that I think really anyone would appreciate. They're simple. that you're not going to, no one's feelings are hurt if they get lost because they're super affordable. Um, but they absolutely are, are the right tool for a job.
Andrew Yeah. And for me, the job is just about anything where I don't need to, so no locking blade, uh, no, no sort of flippy action. So this is a classic slip joint thumb, uh, you know, nail, nail, Nick knife. It's slow to open. slow to close. If you're wrenching on something, it might close and cut your hand off, but just your fingers, the things you need. Uh, you know, but I've, I'm not using a knife to, to do heavy duty objects by and large. You know, I'm using it for opening a fricking box or, um, you know, cutting a chunk of rope or something. And for that, it's perfect. It is, Uh, does everything I need on a day-to-day basis. If I need something more serious than that, I have options.
Everett I have, yeah, I have knives for that purpose. I have, I have tools for, for each of their applications. And this case blade is a perfect everyday carry almost always in my pocket. Useful tool for everyday life. I don't need my bench made in my pocket every day. That's, that's too much for. everyday application in my normal day-to-day life. I just don't need it.
Andrew And there's something sexy about it that a Benchmade isn't. And Benchmade is a very cool knife, something I wouldn't mind having every day. But there's something traditional, timeless, classic that the Case has that a Benchmade doesn't. You're right. So yeah, you can get those at, you know, on Amazon is where I bought all mine. You can buy them direct from Case, although their website is terrible. When was the last time you were on it? Not too long ago, maybe three or four months ago.
Everett I was on it recently. They've gotten some upgrades. It's pretty functional now, even mobile. Mobile functionality is big.
Andrew All right. All right. Well, that sounds like an improvement, so good on you, Case. But for the standard Sodbuster Junior, the yellow-handled version, I think I've paid $25 or $30 for that two times now. I don't think there's a, I think it's probably the best knife purchase I've ever made at that price.
Everett Absolutely. Yeah. What do you got next? Since we're talking knives, the Benchmade Guided Field Sharpener at 40 money. What I like most about this is it's small. It's relatively inexpensive. It's easy to throw in a bag. It can go in the drawer. The, the best feature of it is the sharpening guide. There is a little, um, There's a guide on the end of the sharpener. It's designed to set it at the angle that Benchmade sharpens their blades at. And you set your blade on that guide and you run it the length of the sharpener. And then you go to the other side. There's another guide. Every sharpening edge on this tool has a guide at the beginning of it. So you don't have to go through that, put your knife at 90 degrees against the sharpener and then roll back.
Andrew Half it and half it.
Everett Or go flat and then work up until you feel the catch. It's just, it's right there. It's the right angle to be sharpening those blades at. You run it on the sharpener. And one of the nice things about this is that on the opposite side, there is a ceramic cylinder that also has a guide that's designed for sharpening serrations on your blades.
Andrew On your combo blade or whatever.
Everett On a combo blade or on just a serrated knife, which is a nice, a really nice feature. It's affordable.
Andrew Right, because my serrated blades, when they get dull, I just throw them away.
Everett Yeah, or they just don't get used.
Andrew Or I send it back to Benchmade in the case of my Combo Griptilian.
Everett Yeah, and it's a nice tool to have. I think a lot of knives don't get the sharpening that they deserve because people forget they don't want to. I was uncomfortable sharpening my knives for a long time and I had a bunch of dull knives and then I finally sat down one afternoon and hit the YouTube and learn to do it right. And now it's just kind of part of my monthly routine. I pull all of my blades out, I give them a sharpen, and it's, I want one of these, because I want something I can throw in my pack to get that right guided angle on it. So there's no concern about, am I getting this right or am I messing up that edge?
Andrew And when you're in the field and you want a sharp blade and you don't have it, it's really, it's crushing.
Everett I just have a stone that I keep in my pack that's well-worn, but this is a much better option than what I currently have.
Andrew Much better.
Everett Yeah, no, I agree. And I like it. It's inexpensive. It's a nice little gear-do thing that I think most people could benefit from owning. I want one.
Andrew I'm going to get one, I think. Maybe I'll put it on my Christmas list. Possible. Yeah, it's a good idea. So I'll just clean it up with knives here. I think this is our last knife-related item. Um, but the other one I have, I think this is such a great gift. Dexter Russell is a, is an American knife company and they make a line of knives that is found in probably 90% of commercial kitchens, uh, around the United States, but they're SaniSafe line. It's a plastic handled, um, they call it SaniSafe. I think it's some sort of sanitary application. Um, but they're a Dexter Russell, SaniSafe. 8-inch chef knife is probably the number one most used tool in my house. I've got both the Dexter Russell version. I've also got the Victorinox Fibrox. I've got a 10-inch chef knife from Victorinox. These blades are, um, fit the same exact, um, price point, function, uh, feel. I mean, they're almost indistinguishable. I prefer the SandySafe. I like the feel of the handle material better. I've got a 10-inch Fibrox and an 8-inch SaniSafe, and that might make some difference. I like the 8-inch, the versatility of an 8-inch chef knife, but for like 25 bucks, 30 bucks, you can buy one of these things on Amazon, and it's as good a tool for how I use it as the Mac chef knife that I had in the past. As some of these higher-end blades It's, they're super easy to get an edge on. They're very easy to sharpen. It's not a full tang blade. I know everybody wants a full tang blade. These are, are buried, are buried blades are buried into a plastic handle. Um, which is part of the reason why they're so cheap, but you can, you know, That plastic handle though adds the weight that you want. Yeah, they're, they're pretty well balanced. The blade is really thin, which I like in a chef knife. It's not, it's not so thin that it's whippy.
Everett Not like Miracle Blade whippy. Where they're sharp always because they're so thin they can't ever get unsharp.
Andrew Not like you just paper cut all your meat. No, I mean, it's a substantial blade, but without being, you know, they're very light. They feel great in the hand. And, you know, if they wind up in the dishwasher, if you've got a wife like mine who is inclined to put shit in the dishwasher, it's fine. You know, and what's the worst that happens? I actually don't know what could happen to that knife in the dishwasher that I'm going to feel bad about. Um, you know, I know it's not great for the edge. I know the detergents are not great for the steel, but it's stainless. Uh, I sharpen it so frequently anyway, but it's not bothering me. Um, yeah, gosh, I think it's great for a gift, for a, for someone who cooks, you know, even if they've got a much nicer blade, it's a $25 second blade to have in your kitchen. Get a chef knife. Don't get anything weird. I mean, maybe a Santoku if someone wants that, but I love my Santoku. Yeah.
Everett Well, but it's got a pretty specific application.
Andrew That's right. And if you know what to do with Santoku, you know, the nice thing about both the chef knife and a Santoku is you can do anything. You can do anything with those two blades. They, you, you do them a little differently, right? You hold them a little differently. The way you, uh, the way you touch the thing you're cutting is a little different, but by and large, if you learn how to use either one of those knives, There's almost no kitchen cutting task that you can't do with them, um, short of like cutting through bone or something. Um, but I carve all my meat. I cut all my vegetables. I, I do prep anything that I do in the kitchen. I can do with an eight inch chef knife.
Everett That's my primary, primary blade too. I have an eight inch, not a, not the same brand that you have, but that, that knife gets more use than anything else. That's on my, on my, um, on my magnet strip.
Andrew Uh, The size of an eight inch I think is really great. It's such a convenient size. It's long enough to cut through most pieces of meat, most vegetables, but short enough that it feels really versatile and not quite a paring knife. But you can do paring knife functions with it.
Everett Yeah, I have a paring knife up there that I rarely use. It's the eight inch chef's knife comes down. I've yet to come across something that I felt like I didn't have enough knife. I think that's just a terrific size for a chef's knife.
Andrew You know, this isn't on my list. But another one is Dexter Russell, the Sandy Safe Paring Knives. Those things are like six bucks. If you go to your kitchen store, they're going to have them in a little plastic bin. They're like impulse buy items. You can get stock for stocking stuffer. That's such a good stocking stuffer. It really is, yeah. The steel on them is great. We've used those in the past as steak knives because instead of a serrated blade, which I hate a serrated blade on steak. I always use a flat blade on steak because it doesn't tear the fibers. But yeah, you can, you can, for like 50 bucks, you can buy enough of those to have all your friends over and use that as a steak knife. It's not fancy. They don't feel fancy when you hold them, but they do the job as well as anything out there. They're, they sharpen up super quick. You can run them on a steel. If you're using those once a week, I would wager that you could steal those and have them be perfectly sharp for three months, three to six months, um, without actually getting your stone out and sharpening them. So probably so. Yeah. Yeah. Are we going to just talk about knives? I love knives. It seems that way. Let's have the knife episode. I think you've got some stuff on your list that's not knives.
Everett I do. So we'll move, we can move into watch stuff. Oh yeah. A Toxicnado. What a perfect gift for a watch person or even a non-watch person who has a watch. It, I love the Toxic, the shiznit that I have. I've worn it a ton and it's super comfortable. It's a really thoughtful gift. I think because it's not cheap, nor is it expensive. And it's something that is going to be really appreciated. Something that is going to get a lot of use, a lot of wear. I know I'd love to see a Toxic under the tree.
Andrew Yeah, no, I'm with you. I think that's such a cool thing to buy someone as a gift because everyone likes a NATO. I think the two questions that would come up to me are what size And if you know which watch they're likely to wear it on, that helps. But maybe you're not buying it for them for a specific watch. So one, what size? And two, what color? If you don't know, what color do you buy them? Admiralty Gray. Yeah. I mean, yeah, no, I think it's great. I mean, I think black is another great option to just jet black, not a bond or bond or anything. I think if they want a bond, they'll buy one. But I think those two colors, Admiralty Gray, I think is choice one for sure. Choice two for me would be black. And in fact, I'd probably prefer black because I've got so many gray straps, gray NATOs at this point.
Everett I already have a gray chisknit. So yeah. Okay. Black's probably right for me. Okay. So when I buy your Christmas gift. I think he's got like an OD. I think, I think that might, but we decided that doesn't look good on the Mako. That's my only 22. So.
Andrew I think OD could work on the NATO. I think if it was, if it was refined. Softer. Maybe. What size? 22. 22. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I'm inclined to say 20 because I had so much more, so much more option for that to wear it on everyday watches. You know, that's funny. I ordered a 22 millimeter strap this last week and I realized after I ordered it, I was talking to this about Kim, she's kind of annoyed with me, but I realized after I ordered it, I don't know what I'm going to wear it on. The colors don't really work with any of my 22 millimeter watches. Like what? I guess I'll wear it on my SKX.
Everett It's the... I'd get rid of the jangly SKX bracelet.
Andrew Well, you know, I'll still keep that. But maybe a little bit of versatility. The colors are interesting. It's sort of a faded gray blue five stripe. NATO. I think the other watch I might wear it on is my Casio AMW320. The color, the blue won't work with the teal on my Vostok. I Yeah. So the one, the one watch item I have here, uh, this, this is a watch I don't own. I don't think you own it. Neither one of us has ever had this watch, but I think for the price, it's such a killer thought. Uh, Timex Waterberry. Yeah. The reference on this is TW2P64500ZA. Woo. We'll put it in the show notes. Get your pens out, write it down. Or don't. Hopefully if you're driving, don't. Yeah, don't do that. But we have gotten some feedback that we use a little bit too many nicknames. In the Timex Waterberry, there's so many watches that make up that line. But this is a blue-dialed, domed acrylic crystal version of the Waterberry. The size on these is great. This one comes in just over $11. It's about $56 on this guy.
Everett Well, I cheated, so you can cheat too.
Andrew Yeah, that's right. That's right. I think it's a great option for someone in your life, maybe a non-watch person in your life who you think would benefit from a watch. And the reason this is going to be better than say an SNK or something is because it's not an automatic, you know, I think, or a mechanical watch, you know, this is going to be a plug and play. It's never going to lose its time if they wear it one week and then don't, and then don't wear it for a week or a month or whatever. When they get ready to put it back on, it's still going to be keeping time. They're not going to have to fiddle with it. They might have to reset the date or whatever, but it's still going to tell them what time it is, which for me is, I think an important thing to have in a, in a seldom wear. So if this person's not an everyday wearer, not someone who cares so much about watches that they want to have to set it when they put it on, I think that's a great option. There are other quartz options that would do the same thing. I like this one because it feels to me like a watch person's watch. It feels special. in a way that maybe an Expedition or a Weekender doesn't. And a Weekender, I love that. And in fact, I almost, I think these two are sort of a little bit interchangeable. The Weekender is a watch that everybody and their mother has. I think that the Waterbury is a little bit more special.
Everett Yeah, it's a little bit off the beaten path.
Andrew And that domed acrylic crystal is a game changer for me. Every time in the wild where I've seen a domed crystal on a watch, it catches my eye. that watch is special. I don't know what it is, but it's special and I like it. So for 56 bucks, someone in your life that might appreciate this or, you know, even if they're, even if they are a watch person, you know, if I were to receive this as a watch person, I think, yeah, finally, I've been, I've been looking at one of these. So a great, great, great option. I think there, it is a watch. So if you do want to get that personal watch, I think this is a great option for, for well under a hundred bucks. you know, this is maybe not something you're going to buy for a white elephant gift, but, or, or a secret Santa gift, you know, but, but certainly it's something that you could buy something that you care about a little bit.
Everett And it's definitely a step up from like a Casio F91 where I showed it to somebody, they were asking about buying a, buying an inexpensive watch that fits their lifestyle, which is busy and hectic and filled with kids. And I was like, this is it. And they laughed at it and I was like, okay, well, um, it's, 12 bucks. So fits everything you need. Even if you destroy it, you're not going to feel bad about it because it was 12 bucks.
Andrew Um, I almost think you have to be a watch person to appreciate, to really appreciate the F91. I think if you're a average run of the mill, thoughtful consumer, it's going to seem cheap and janky. I love mine. I know, but, and we do, we appreciate it, uh, as watch people. And you know, it's the type of thing that I think is almost sort of, you know it swings around the it comes in the back door because it's so cheap it's so light it's so uh shitty that it's cool it's so shitty that it's cool i i you know i'm holding yours right now is it a it's plastic case right it's a resin case even though it's silver it's silver toned yeah man these things are cool uh not something i've owned but something that i'd like to have putting a nato on it was a bit of a pain but It's on there now. And it's on there, right? It's not moving around. Oh, no. It doesn't slide on there. Oh, yeah. You can't even get that thing off. Did you have to set the. It's not a spring bar. No, it's a pass through bar. So it slides in and locks itself in place. Yeah.
Everett It's almost like the way bracelet links punch through one way.
Andrew Is this like a 30? It says water resistance like a 30 meter or. I don't know. You wear it in the shower. I'd wear it in the shower.
Everett I don't. I don't wear it in the shower. I have a routine. When I get home, I typically take my watch off and put it down because I'll go to cooking. I'll go to dealing with the dogs. I'll go to just something that most of the watches I own, I'm not emotionally prepared to subject them to it. And then when I go to bed, I go put it in its case. Not its case, but in my little watch storage area. And when I pull out my clothes, I pull out whatever I'm going to wear the next day.
Andrew You know, when I was a more casual watch wearer, I wore a watch. 24 hours a day, seven days a week, never took it off. That was what I wanted in a watch, was I wanted something that I could put on and never take off.
Everett I did that with the Iron Man. I wore it for probably 300 consecutive days.
Andrew Yeah, and that's typically what I wore. I wore that Iron Man, I wore the same Iron Man I think that you have for four years probably, and then a little later I wore a Timex EasyReader, which is It didn't feel small to me at the time. It's a diminutive case. I think it's 36 or 37 millimeters. Um, I wore that thing on leather 24 hours a day when the leather would get manky. Cause it does, you know, if you wear that in the shower, it eventually just deteriorates. They're not using real high of leathers. Um, and it eventually just falls apart. Um, and I'd put new leather on it and wear it for another year, uh, without taking it off. So everybody wears a watch different, but I, I think I suspect that F91W, you could wear that thing in the shower. Probably. And not have an issue with it. And when you did, when you did eventually have an issue with it. Tragedy. Go buy another one. Because that thing's going to be banged up anyway.
Everett So go get another one. Yeah. Well, now that we've checked another thing off of my list, I'll move into my last one.
Andrew Is the F91 on your list?
Everett It is. Why would it not be? What a good stocking stuffer.
Andrew Yeah, that's right. I mean, I do think you run into that. I do think you run into that potential issue that your friend had, right?
Everett But if you get it for a watch person, no watch person is going to be disappointed by getting one of these.
Andrew I actually bought it. I don't think it was an F91W. It was whatever the Casio's metal version. It's very similar in feel, a little smaller, but they're actually steel cased. I got that for a secret Santa white elephant gift for a work party. last last christmas and i could tell that nobody wanted it and i thought man that's such a cool thing i'm ready to take it home yeah yeah but i could tell everybody's kind of like yeah a everett we all know this is your gift and b nobody wants this which is disappointing that's a bummer my last item what do you got alpaca socks alpaca socks yes they are the most comfortable fluffy warm socks that i've ever
Everett worn and you can get them anywhere from like 12 to 30 to 50 bucks but as a as a gift i think a lot of people kind of turn up their nose at getting socks for a gift which i don't understand because i spend more time in socks a day than i do in bed a day right right and getting a pair of warm comfortable cozy socks is just terrific and because it's it's a different type of wool than what most wolves are most wool socks are It's a little bit unique. They're warm. They're cozy. They're just, they're just such perfect socks.
Andrew How do they, do they feel different than a lamb's wool?
Everett Just, just slightly, just a little, like a little, a little fluffier, I think is a, is a decent adjective for it. Um, I absolutely love them. I think if you're looking for that last, that last gift to round it out, no one is going to be disappointed by alpaca wool socks.
Andrew Are, are any, uh, any specific makers or, or models that you've, I,
Everett No, so I've had my hands on a few. I've owned a few. I don't know of any that are review-wise better than others. I think if you just find some that are alpaca wool, you're in for a treat.
Andrew So A, buy them for yourself. B, buy them for the person whose feet you love the most.
Everett The whole fam. Christmas jammies and alpaca socks for all.
Andrew You know, I'm a big house shoe guy. I like slippers. But I'll say sometimes I really like the versatility of being able to throw on a pair of wool socks and wear them around the house because they're warm, typically, you know, and you can and if I need to go outside, I could stick my feet in my Birkenstocks and run out to take the garbage out without having to change shoes, you know, versus if you're wearing house shoes or slippers.
Everett You got to kick one pair off and the next one. I keep a pair of neoprene boots by the back door for that very purpose because I typically just wear wool socks at the house if I have to go out back. Just drop into my, into my boots and I'm out.
Andrew I've got a pair of, uh, Birkenstock. I think they're the Bostons. They've got the closed toe. They're slides, but they've got that closed toe so I can go out when it's raining and my toes stay dry. Keep your tootsies dry. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Well, I've, uh, I've got, well, I've got two, two items here. Um, one of these, this is a, a brand I just learned about this last week from a fellow. We actually, there's a local watch guy. Shout out Zander. What's up, man? What's up, man? We, I was just bumbling around on Craigslist, as you do, not too long ago, and I saw, Eugene's a tiny town. It's, I think, it's maybe 200,000 people if school's in session and, you know, we've got like a big festival or something also going on. So it's a pretty small town. So there's not a big watch community here. There's no watch stores. There's a, well, there are a couple of small watch stores, Um, no real watch presence here. And I saw on Craigslist, a local person selling a modded SKX. Uh, and it had a 12 hour bezel on it. Uh, you know, DLW bezel, I think, or maybe a, uh, loomed, uh, I think it was a loom, loomed ceramic insert. One of the two. Uh, and I was like, this dude's gotta be a watch dude. And, and reached out to him. Well, uh, we wound up hooking up and he told us, he was telling us about this brand, Kara's Customs. Kara with a K. Custom with a K. They make pens. They make pens. And one of the watches that I found online is this Karas Custom Retract. It's a machined Retract, also with a K, believe it or not. It's a machined aluminum pen. They take Pilot G2 inserts. The best insert. Which I know you love. I prefer the high-tech C inserts. But, you know, similar, just do slightly different things. But it's a retractable pen, machined aluminum insert. It's obviously really well crafted and for 50 bucks, if you've got someone in your life that would dig on that kind of thing, I don't think you can lose. It's got sort of EDC written all over it. It does. It's got a little bit of knurling up at the top of the pen. The point is really well machined. You know, essentially what you're going to get is a G2, which everybody loves.
Everett With a more stylish and better housing that keeps your pen protected because your G2 can vanish and you don't know who took it. Right. But you know who took this pen. There's only one of these in your office.
Andrew Well, and on the other side of that, obviously, if you lose this, it's going to hurt a lot more than if you lose a $2 G2. Yeah, man, I think this is cool. The one I've pulled up, you can get it on JetPens. JetPens, if you haven't checked out JetPens, that's the store. I think JetPens is the marketplace for the pen addict. Is that you familiar? Vaguely. Pen addict is a fellow who sort of, I'm going to say the early days of the internet, that's not accurate at all, but the early days of sort of EDC internet EDC world pen addict started just a blog I think where he's talking about pilot high-tech C's and other pens he liked and I think it's turned into a full featured business at this point so But yeah, they've got this on here for 50 bucks. It's just a cool-looking pen I actually think I'm gonna pick one of these up or put it on my Christmas list see if I get it you can drop all these different inserts in it, so if you don't like The way the .5 works or if you don't, you know, if you want a .7 or a 1 point, I think you could probably drop those in here. I'm not sure the one, the one would be too big. I think maybe the barrel on that is too big. Well, your, your mileage may vary. Super cool. I love it. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. A win. Who doesn't like pens? Win.
Andrew What else? You know, the only other one I have, and this is something I know you have, uh, maybe not this brand, but we both use these. All day, every day. This is a power bank. And I, in particular, like the power banks from Anchor. Anchor is a company. I have an Anchor.
Everett You do have an Anchor. Yeah, me too. That's old. It's probably five, six years old, but it's still kicking.
Andrew I think mine's about three years old. There's several iterations of this same power bank that have come out since I got mine, but it's still the same, still kicking. The build quality on Anchor is solid. You know, there's a bunch of companies that make this stuff. I think everything from really crappy Chinese stuff to, you know, sort of a high-end.
Everett Indestructible, waterproof, shockproof. I mean, they can get pretty detail-oriented with them.
Andrew And I think in the middle, there's this set of companies that you probably would recognize the name. You're going to find them at Best Buy. You're going to find them at the mall stores or the stores at the airport that are making products that are probably 20 to 50% more expensive than Anchor are less good, less well-built, and probably function, don't function quite as well as Anchor. You know, the Wirecutter is a website that I really like and they test these things and they regularly find that Anchor's perform as good or better Then the more expensive counterparts. Then the more expensive counterparts. The build quality on mine is fantastic. You pick it up, it's got sort of a rubberized feel, but it just feels solid. You know, sometimes you pick up an electronic and you can feel the dead space inside of it.
Everett And your fingers between it, like through the housing on either side.
Andrew Right, right. You know, even if it's not, even if it's not flexible, you can just tell this thing's empty. These things are packed full. They're solid feeling, you know, I drop it. I'm not scared that it's breaking. Uh, it just feels solid and well put together. It always works. It charges my phone super fast. And, and I'm particular pick this 20,000 mile or milliamp hour version for mine that charges a big iPhone seven plus is what I have. I think five or six times, um, all the way through. So you can use it for a week, maybe for, for just refreshing your phone charge or whatever in the middle of the day. Maybe two weeks. I mean, the power on these things lasts forever. I've taken these things on vacation before and used almost exclusively that to charge my phone for the entire vacation. In fact, when I went to NTC, I took that thing with me and charged it. In the middle, I found a big generator and plugged it in and got it back up to charge. But 20,000 mAh charged once throughout my trip to NTC got me through the entire... 28 days? 28 days at NTC. And that is, and I wasn't using my phone a lot, right? I had my phone off a lot. In fact, the entire time when you're, you know, in the box, it's off. But still, I, that's driving to and from NTC, which I don't remember, maybe a 16 hour drive, driving back, all the sort of phone calls home and everything. 20,000 times two got me all the way through the trip. Never one time plugging into a wall. Uh, what a great thing.
Everett I love having them. I, I have, I have one, I don't remember the size of it cause I've had it so long, but it gets me four or five charges and out of my phone. I think that's just a function of the age. It's just not, it's not the same bank that it was when I got it, but sure. Something that no one's going to regret having. And even if they maybe don't have an application for it right up front, they'll realize that application for it, that opportunity to use it, and it will become something they throw in their bag, in their briefcase, in their backpack daily.
Andrew Yeah, well, and you know, they all have Quick Charge now, and Quick Charge 3.0, so if you've got a brand new phone, I mean, you're charging your phone from empty to full in a very short period of time. 30 minutes, yeah, it's quick. So if you're on a drive home, even without the Quick Charge, you know, the 2 amp or whatever charging, I can plug mine in on the way home or after work if I'm going to a function or something. If I'm in the car for 10 minutes, it'll give me 20-30%, which is enough, you know, if I'm on low to make me feel comfortable. My phone's not going to die. So yeah, great. You got anything else? That wraps us up. Those are your gifts. Yeah. Think of nothing else. No. It's a good lineup. I think so. What do you guys have? If you have any gifts that we missed or you know, items that are $50, which make great stocking stuffer. I think that's one thing we could have done. We could have done more stocking stuffers, but next time, next time, this is for the people you really care about. Yeah, exactly.
Everett For the watch lover, Geardo, Geardo type person in your life. Geardo. I like that one.
Andrew I'm a Geardo. Well, I mean, I think we pretty much the whole episode was other things we like. I don't think we need to, it was all other things we like. Yeah. Right. I don't think we need to make any special time for that. Anything else? That's it for me. Thank you for joining us for this episode of 40 in 20. Don't forget to tune back in next Thursday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Bye bye. Our music today is Bummin' on Tremolo by Kevin MacLeod of incompetech.com, licensed under creative comments by attribution 3.0 license.