Episode 68 - Poor Man's Daytona

Published on Wed, 12 Feb 2020 22:48:00 -0800

Synopsis

Andrew and Everett are back for another episode of their podcast, where they discuss poor man's alternatives to the iconic Rolex Daytona watch. They start by giving some background on the Daytona and its history, including the famous "Paul Newman" Daytona. Then they go through their picks for affordable chronograph watches that can scratch the Daytona itch, including options from Seiko, Pagani Design, Orient, Dan Henry, and even an unexpected pick from Tag Heuer. Along the way, they have their usual hilarious banter and tangents, touching on topics like TV shows, podcasts, and Everett's recent experience at a local watch meetup.

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Speaker
Everett	We tapin'.
Andrew	Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. This is the 40 in 20 podcast with your host, Andrew. I'm a good friend, Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett	I've got the itch. I want to buy a watch right now.
Andrew	Yeah, just one. I kind of always have that itch.
Everett	I want to buy like 10 watches right now. Yeah. Drink some beer?
Andrew	I really want to drink the beer. You caught me, just so everyone knows, approximately five minutes ago, I went to open this beer and everyone started screaming at me, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop Yeah, the psst occurred, but the kshh, the beer that said its name, it didn't say its name yet. And we're not drinking Bush, I'm actually drinking a 10 barrel Pearl IPA. And this is one of my favorite beers of all time.
Everett	It's really good. I'm drinking a Hop Valley Mango Stash Mango India Pale Ale, 12 fluid ounces. Do they have Hop Valley in other places?
Andrew	You know, I don't know how far they distribute. Hop Valley is really remarkable. I imagine they distribute probably Nationally. I don't know about internationally. Just because they are a subsidiary of the Coors Company.
Everett	Oh, is that right? Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. Well, look, if you're on the West Coast and you can find Hop Valley, try to find Hop Valley's Cryo Stash. Yep. It's called Cryo Stash. It's a blue can. It's a double IPA. I think it's my favorite IPA I've ever had. Interesting. I mean, I like it better in the two cans of it I had. I like it better than Pliny.
Andrew	Do you think that's because... So here's my theory on Pliny. I love Pliny the Elder.
Everett	Oh man, give me some of that Russian River.
Andrew	But I think what makes Pliny the Elder so special is that those of us who are not outside in the little sphere of their brewery, we don't get it. So we have a really inflated opinion of Pliny the Elder. And yes, it's award-winning. Yes, it's a terrific beer. But I think there's IPAs out there that I would rather drink on a regular basis.
Everett	Oh, well, yeah. So, I mean, your theory is that scarcity... Yeah, it drives up demand.
Andrew	Now, if I had a keg of Pliny, if I had regular access to kegs of Pliny, I would drink the shit out of it.
Everett	I just have a keg of Pliny in the kegerator in the garage. Can you imagine? Oh, if anybody does... I'll kiss you on the mouth.
Andrew	I mean, in exchange for that keg of beer, not just, I mean, I'll also kiss you on the mouth cause I'll have had way too many of the beer, but you know, whatever, we're going off track. We're, we're already losing it. We're, we're three minutes in and we're right off the rails.
Everett	Uh, yeah, yeah. I mean, we're not above that. We're not above that.
Andrew	Andrew, how are you? I'm well, I'm tired. I am switching sides of the week. So I'm going into a, uh, a six day weekend, which is delightful. Is today.
Everett	the first full day of your six day weekend?
Andrew	No, I worked today. You did? You worked today? Yeah. I didn't realize that. Yeah. So I'm, I'm, today's the eve of my six days off. And you had heroin at work today. Well, I mean, I, I, yeah, I mean, I, I took some from, from a guy. You took some? Yeah, I took quite a large amount. It was kind of cool. Um, I'd never seen that much heroin in one place off of like at a person's pocket in person. So yeah, it was cool. Good day. Long day. And it's a Friday. Everyone's still like, The nice part about this being my Friday is that, I mean, it's going into the weekend. It's not a real Friday. My work schedule is unusual because I work four days a week. But the nice thing about this being my Friday is that I don't care about tomorrow. My work phone's at work. All my stuff's at work, besides the laundry that I have to do. But it's weekend now. It's the freaking weekend. Yeah. They're going to have me some fun. You know, my wife texted me today. It's Friday. and it was the Rebecca Black meme. And oddly enough, I read an article last night about Rebecca Black opening up about how it ruined her life that she did that song. And because I read that article, I then watched the video. It's worse now than it was in 2011 when it was released.
Everett	It was always bad.
Andrew	But it's worse now. Yeah. Yeah. It's way worse now.
Everett	Have you ever drank Cristal and a Stretch Navigator?
Andrew	No. I don't know. I don't think I've ever even been a stretch navigator. I've been in exactly one limo.
Everett	I've been in a stretch navigator. Yeah. I didn't drink Cristal. I missed opportunity. I think I drank high life, which is the champagne of beer.
Andrew	So you sort of did it. You sort of got there. Yeah. You sure it was a navigator and not like a navigator or something like that, like an off brand navigator. It may have been an escalade.
Everett	Oh, it may have been an escalade. I hope you choke on your beer. Yeah, it was a stretch in any event.
Andrew	I've only been in one of those.
Everett	I sang karaoke.
Andrew	I had tracks.
Everett	John Michael Montgomery.
Andrew	In the limo?
Everett	In the stretch navigator.
Andrew	Did it have a hot tub? It didn't. Oh, then why bother?
Everett	But it had karaoke. That's pretty cool.
Andrew	I would think I would rather a party bus because the whole... That's what it is.
Everett	That's what it is.
Andrew	It's a fucking party bus. It's not a party bus because you can't stand up. You can hunch.
Everett	Yeah, no, we were we were definitely lower than a than a full standing party bus.
Andrew	You can stand up. That's a way more comfortable way to travel.
Everett	Yeah, no, that's true.
Andrew	We weren't going very far. Doesn't matter the ability to. If I sit and drink, I'm stationary. You know this about me from Portland to bend. That's a three and a half hour drive. Yeah. And in a limo, that might even be a four hour drive. No, man, you need a party bus. You need to stand up, stretch your legs. I take two pee breaks between here and bend. There was a toilet. Like the window?
Everett	Yeah. No, it was this little tiny city downy potty.
Andrew	Okay. Yeah. No, still, still party bus. I take two break, two pee breaks. Cause I drink so much water when I drive, I get so thirsty when I'm driving. I drank a lot of high life. Yeah. And, and the problem with drinking beer is that once I break the seal, I pee once per beer. It doesn't matter if it's 12 ounce or a pint, every beer consumption is a pee. And it's a lot of pee. I, when I went on a salmon fishing trip last year, uh, I, I won a, high five from the guide because he'd a never seen anybody almost feel a beer pitcher because we he's a beer pitcher for people to pee in. So people don't pee on his boat. I won the high five of the greatest peer because I pee a lot, both in frequency and in volume. And I filled that beer pitcher three quarters of the way up once an hour. People could not believe it. They're like, dude, this is the most amazing thing I've ever seen. How are you doing it? I don't know. I just have an extremely efficient system that flushes all the liquid out and just leaves the alcohol in my body. So I'm hammered right now, but I'm going to keep peeing.
Everett	What do you think people think when they listen to the show and they hear? I mean, because occasionally, occasionally we go right.
Andrew	I mean, like I said, we're off the rails here.
Everett	You know, I think the, I think the, uh, for the two of us, the funniest moment we ever had on the show with the P tubes.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	Oh man. What episode was that? Was that when Tommy was here?
Andrew	I don't know.
Everett	We'll have to go back and look for the pee tubes. I mean, that's still to this moment. I'm about as hard as I've ever laughed in my life.
Andrew	People might be laughing right now remembering back to it, hearkening back to the urine tubes.
Everett	If you remember the pee tube, take this moment to praise that moment. Okay, great. We're talking about watches.
Andrew	We are. We're going to get into it. And I suggested this topic. You did? Because we've done a couple of poor man's watches before, but this one This one is going to, we're going to see some overlap here, not necessarily in the watches that we're picking, but in the, in the space that this would generally fill. We're doing another chronograph. We're doing the Daytona today. Poor man's Daytona. The reason we're doing the poor man's Daytona is because if y'all or anyone, anything like me, after seeing the Daytona on the antique roadshow and seeing that man collapse after learning he had three quarters of a million dollars. Oh, smoking the bandit. Sitting in front of him. I've done a lot of looking at Daytonas and lusting after a Daytona.
Everett	I wore a Everose Daytona at Red Bar PDX a couple of weeks ago.
Andrew	Yeah. I miss that. And it was actually good because I sit very late at work that night. Yeah. So, we're again, we're losing it. Back on track. After I do the intro, we can talk about Red Bar. So, we decided. that we're going to talk about how people like Everett and I, and you listeners, can get something akin to a Daytona in the way of a poor man's Daytona. Because if you're anything like... Scratch the itch. Yeah. If you're anything like me and Everett, you're not going to ever have a Daytona. It's just, it's just not going to be in the cars. You cannot get hit by enough cars.
Everett	I mean, and if you could, there's a good chance, if you did, there's a good chance you'll lose your left arm.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	Or in your case, your right arm.
Andrew	Yeah. Yeah, you'll, you'll, it wouldn't be bueno. The only way, like, like the president would have to run over you in his motorcade and it would have to be an accident that was, everyone was at fault. And somehow you'd have to be in front of the presidential motorcade.
Everett	Right. Legally. But you could potentially get a Daytona to match the trim on your hospice bed.
Andrew	Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cause you get hit by one of those motorcade cars, you're not going to make it. So yeah, poor man's Daytona. Poor man's Daytona. Before we get there, though, let's talk about Red Bar. Oh, yeah.
Everett	Because that was last week, yeah? Was it last week? I believe it was last week. Yeah, I think that's right. I think it was last. You know, it was interesting, man. It was interesting. So Red Bar PDX, Portland's got a Red Bar. Portland is about two hours away from where we live. So it's not a, it's not a, it's not a quick jaunt. That's right. It's not an inconsequential trip. But I got an invite from Evan. You're terrific. on Instagram if you guys know who he is. Fantastic photographer, makes some pretty fun YouTube videos too. He's just generally a very, very nice guy. He was on a podcast. He was on, oh gosh, what's the name of their podcast? Max and OT, The Black Dial. Well, I may think of it and I may not, but he was on their podcast a few months ago and just generally a great guy. We've talked on Instagram. over the years and, uh, found out, uh, Red Bar was having another meeting. And so I went up and joined those guys and it was just super interesting. You know, first, uh, what I did not know was that the venue was a closed restaurant and by closed, I mean, it was, it was not open at that time of day. And so when I showed up at the place where this thing was going to be, uh, there was, you know, a big closed sign and no one inside. Uh, but a couple of guys sort of milling about, and I asked, I said, Hey, do you guys know this place is closed? Do you know if it's going to open? And they're like, well, no, it's closed.
Andrew	I'm the asshole. I can read.
Everett	Okay. And they said, well, are you here for something? And I was like, oh, I need the secret password. And I said, yes, I'm here for a red bar meeting. And they were like, oh, okay. You know, and they were fine.
Andrew	Did you have to do a secret foot tap and handshake and stuff? I did. I did. Yeah. In Portland, that can lead weird places. Yeah.
Everett	Indeed it can. But you know, I think there was probably about 25 or 30 people there. That's a good amount of people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was a good amount of people. You know, I've got Cascadia Strap Company, a company I don't think we've ever talked about on the show, but I've got sort of a friend relationship with one of the owners of Cascadia, you know, I'm not his friend, but we have mutual friends. And so we've talked in the past. He was there, owner of Cascadia Strap Company. Evan from You're Terrific was there. So folks that I've had an opportunity to sort of engage with online were there. And meeting people in real life is always fun. Right. But in addition to that, just the sheer... I was totally out of my league in a place like that. The amount of just drool worthy watches was out of this world. And we posted some of them on the Instagram, or I posted some of them on the Instagram. I posted some of my favorites, but those, you know, those versions didn't really do the whole thing justice. It was just overwhelming amount of OMG watches, you know?
Andrew	Yeah. I, you, you sent me a, a few select photos of it and I was, uh lamenting that I was still at work and not drooling over those watches but also at the same time a little excited that I wasn't drooling over watches that would just never ever be on my wrist but for the grace the graciousness of its true owner right right yeah and you know everyone's so nice and I brought uh you know I brought our um some of the the loaner watches we have in so I brought
Everett	all of the Nemos. I brought the Nodus Sector dive watch. And I asked those guys before I took them. I said, Hey, I'm going to go to Red Bar. Is it okay if I bring your watches? And they said, of course, yeah.
Andrew	Did you have the Hellcat at the time?
Everett	And I did not get the Hellcat until Thursday. Yeah, so that was too bad. We have a Hellcat, by the way, y'all. Yeah. If you don't know, now you know. Yeah. We got a Hellcat. Nick from Orion Watches sent us a Hellcat. We will be, spoiler alert, Nick will, I believe, be coming on the show shortly. Whoop, whoop. Yeah, we've had that conversation. He says he will. So if he doesn't, it's because he lied to us. Right to our fingertips and eyeballs. I mean, I just can tell him, hey, I'm going to keep this watch until you come on the show.
Andrew	Oh, gosh, we could hold it hostage. That's not even a high ransom to pay.
Everett	No, it's not. It's not. Just come on the show. Just an hour of your time. But so anyway, Nick is totally going to come on the show. which we are extremely excited about because he's been someone that we've followed. I think we followed him just about all the way through his evolution from modding SNKs to where he is now in real time. A lot of these guys we hear about it sort of after the fact or whatever. We've had the opportunity to follow Nick sort of as he's progressed, which has been a lot of fun. I feel kind of the same way about Darren Tiffany. Darren's Got prototypes that are coming out soon. And you know, I cannot wait. We were there. Yeah, we were we were some of the first people to reach out and be like, dude, what are you doing?
Andrew	And it's crazy. Cool. Yeah. Can you at least let us look at one?
Everett	So yeah, that's gonna be fun. Nick's gonna come on. And but yeah, red bar was just cool. You know, I think if you have an opportunity, if you're close at all to one of them, it's worth going. It's also a little awkward, right?
Andrew	Yeah. I mean, so I guess the, one of the questions I had, and this is the first time we're actually talking about it because I've, I saw you once, but it was for a wholly different unwatch related function. Uh, how many of those people are, are Red Bar regulars? And it's like a tightening community of dudes who are like, that's a social outlet for them. And they go and hang out with other watch nerds and, and people with expansive watches on a regular basis versus how many people were like you who were just showing up like, Hey,
Everett	You know, there was a couple of people who were obviously not regulars. Um, and you could just tell. Um, but then there was probably, there was like five or six guys who I was certain knew each other relatively well. And then there was like maybe 15 to 20 people who it was very vague. It was very ambiguous whether they were just friendly and able to be part of the group or whether they knew folks. And I really couldn't narrow it down. I really couldn't narrow it down. So there was a few people, like I said, who were very friendly with one another. There were several people who were very friendly with me that had no reason to be friendly with me. That's a good sign.
Andrew	Well, you're kind of a friendly face, you know.
Everett	Yeah, maybe. Yeah, maybe. I think that it's just a really warm, welcoming crowd. You know, these are people that show up at a random place on a Wednesday night because... They want to talk about watches and hang out with other people that talk about watches.
Andrew	That's right. Because their friends are tired of them talking about watches.
Everett	That's right. They want somewhere, an outlet to talk about watches. A safe space, if you will. Yeah. You know, which I think is essentially what we've done here, right? Yeah. It's just a different, a different medium for that expression. So it was, it was very fun. And a different price point. A much different price point. Yeah. I mean, it's nice that we've, we're able to dictate the terms of what we talk about here. because I spent a lot of time talking about five digit subs. You know, I know, which is fine. Five digit subs are cool. Uh, but I'm also sort of minimally interested in them. And, and the reason for that is not cause I don't find them interesting. It's because it's, it's not a really something I'm, I'm gonna, I'm in the market for.
Andrew	No, not yet. Maybe someday, but certainly not right now.
Everett	Maybe, maybe. Uh, so Yeah, but that was good. That was good.
Andrew	I'm glad you had fun. I'm sorry. I couldn't join.
Everett	Yeah, I think I'm gonna go back I think I'm gonna go back next week. Are you gonna come down to wind up San Francisco with me? When is it March 26th? A hard maybe okay Put it on your put it on your calendar. Yeah, well hang on so this that's our announcement I Everett I'm gonna be a white wind up San Francisco in March Andrew is a solid maybe For a windup in March. A hard maybe, yeah. A hard maybe. But if that's something you're into, hit me up and meet up and we can go get a beer. So I suppose as we get closer, we'll solidify some sort of meetup plans or whatever. And I don't even know what I'm going to do. It'll be my first watch event.
Andrew	Just go and break into boutiques and vendor booths and grab as much as we can and bounce. Steal a Monta.
Everett	At least two.
Andrew	People warned, I'm coming for your watches. Yeah, just as a warning, they're ours.
Everett	So I'm looking at these watches, I think that the order we have them in, I'm gonna switch this around, I'm gonna switch this around. Why don't you start?
Andrew	Okay.
Everett	Why don't you start with this guy?
Andrew	Do you wanna talk about the Daytona first? Do you want to kind of open it up and differentiate between the Daytona, the Speedy, the role they play, and why we chose these watches for this application versus the watches we chose for the Speedy application?
Everett	Sure. Yeah, sure.
Andrew	Why don't you hit them with some history? Let's hit them with the growth of the Daytona.
Everett	Yeah, I think that's fair. So the Daytona really starts really starts in 1963. But before that, there were several watches that were sort of doing a similar thing to what Daytona does now. But really, it's not until... So Rolex was making chronographs. They were making chronographs with third-party movements. They were making chronographs, no oyster case. At some point in World War II, At some point in World War II, they make a chronograph, a non-Daytona chronograph that has an oyster case, and they really weren't very successful. There was a number of companies making chronographs who had sort of owned that space. So from, you know, the mid-40s to the early 60s, Rolex is just sort of floating. They have chronographs in their collection. Towards the late 50s, early 60s, they started introducing some more dynamic some more dynamic watches. People, uh, people are kind of into them, but still just minimally interested. Um, I think in 61 or 62, they come out with a reference. I should, I should look up this reference number. 6239.
Andrew	Is the pre Daytona?
Everett	It's the 1962. So 6239.
Andrew	Um, and that, what, what that winds up being is the, the sort of, um,
Everett	the predecessor to the true Daytona. So 55, they launched the reference 6234. I'm looking at this now, um, 500 watches and then 61, they have the 6240, right? Um, at this time, you know, Daytona had sort of established itself as maybe the best, uh, racetrack in the world. You've got Sir Malcolm Campbell, who's proudly proclaiming he wears his Rolex while he's racing. So Rolex is firmly in the scene. They've got this strong relationship with Daytona, but they don't have a true racing chronograph. So it's 1963, they introduce the Cosmograph, the Cosmograph Chronograph. And this is what is actually the first Daytona. Now, initially, they don't market it as Daytona. Initially, they market it as a Le Mans.
Andrew	Mm-hmm.
Everett	They market it as the Le Mans, but that quickly switches over. It becomes marketed as a Daytona. Now, the interesting thing I think about this, one of the interesting things that occurs to me is they named it a Cosmograph in 1963.
Andrew	I wonder why that is.
Everett	Well, something happened in 1962. What? And really in the first, you know, the early 60s, which was making space very attractive, but This is something that people don't mention. This is something that people don't, don't mention is that the Oyster Daytona Cosmograph is clearly intended to be a space watch. Uh, I don't know that Rolex is ever pushing it as a space watch specifically. I don't know that they're ever trying to submit it as a space watch.
Andrew	But I don't know how they can't because of the, of the similarities it had to a other. Did you not believe that I just finished that beer?
Everett	I was looking for that. I don't know what I was thinking.
Andrew	You just picked up my beer can like, did you really just finish a beer? I don't need that kind of judgment. Anyway, who knows if they were submitting it or planning to submit it, but they're trying to directly compete with another very similarly styled, very similar functionality watch. And I love that they're doing that, but they saw the error in their ways and they did a little rebranding.
Everett	Right. So the Cosmograph, the reference 6239, that's not the pre-Daytona. That is the actual Daytona. That's the Cosmograph. And what this is, is it an external tachymeter bezel? Yep. This is when they sort of introduced this external tachymeter bezel.
Andrew	Really deliberately designed to be large and readable for race car drivers.
Everett	That's right. That's right. A very big, wide bezel. So Much wider than similar chronographs that were out at the time. Much more legible, at least on the outside. And these early Daytonas, really legible on the inside too. And this watch becomes an instant hit. The relationship with Daytona, the relationship to racing, instantly gains traction and everybody loves it, including, famously, a spaghetti sauce maker. Chef Boyardee? Yeah, yeah. No, this guy, he has a company. It's called Newman's Own. They make spaghetti sauce. And he, I guess he was also a race car driver.
Andrew	He also happens to race cars. It's like a pastime. It's not a big deal.
Everett	Yeah. And so Paul Newman famously sort of adopts this thing just for personal wear, right? He's not really a spokesperson. There's not really a relationship with... Cha-ching, cha-ching.
Andrew	Just what a jackpot for Rolex. As if Rolex needs brakes, right?
Everett	they they caught one right there it's just like the most famous actor in the world is like yeah i'll wear that thing pretty much dig this you don't have to pay me i'm gonna buy it i'm just gonna wear this shit out of it fuck off so um That brings us to the question of what's a Paul Newman Daytona? So there's a lot of talk about a quote-unquote Paul Newman Daytona. So a Paul Newman Daytona is specifically one of these Oyster Cosmograph Daytonas, or at least a Cosmograph Daytona, not mandatory that it has screw-down pushers, but that has an exotic dial, the so-called Paul Newman exotic dial. Now that's a White dial, contrasting sub-dials, Art Deco font on the sub-dials, and a contrasting ring on the seconds track. I've seen some Paul Newman's, quote-unquote Paul Newman's, that have the black acrylic bezel. I've seen some with the stainless steel bezel. I don't know what the rule is there, do you?
Andrew	I think the rule is if you call it Paul Newman and other people believe it.
Andrew	Because like any other highly sought-after watch, There's fakes out there. There are Frank and Rolexes out there masquerading as true Paul Newman's that aren't Paul Newman's.
Everett	Well, I read an interesting, I read an interesting statistic. I don't know if it's true, but that one out of every 10, only one out of every 10 of the Daytona sold in that era, in that era, the Paul Newman era, only one out of 10 were exotic dials and that at least 30% of those, at least 30% of those were serviced with, later serviced with non-exotic dials.
Andrew	Hmm. So. I know a place on the planet earth that you can get exotic dial Paul Newman Daytona's.
Everett	House of Horology. For five bucks. That's not funny. Uh, if you go to. No, his are much more expensive.
Andrew	If you go to Kandahar or Bagram. You can get them for like five bucks a piece. And I'm really sure you can get some Paul Newman, spelled N-O-O-M-A-N, Daytonas for like five, six bucks a piece. I want a Daytona. Yeah. It may or may not have a Bulova logo, but you can just scrape that off.
Everett	I want a watch that says Daytona, but not O-O-Day-Tuna. Yeah, with T-U-N-A. And I want it to be a Daytona dial in a Seiko Tuna case.
Andrew	Hell yeah. Oh man, that'd be dope.
Everett	Just a three-hander.
Andrew	We can make that happen.
Everett	Yeah, yeah, we could make it happen and call it the Daytona.
Andrew	We could have a 40 and 20 lineup of parody novelty watches.
Everett	A tuna case.
Andrew	We might make this an episode.
Everett	Our favorite mashup watches. Yeah. Oh man.
Andrew	Hashtag mashups.
Everett	I cracked myself.
Andrew	We're on to something here.
Everett	So do we need to talk about the Daytona? What makes a Daytona? What makes a Daytona homage? What are you looking for if you want a Daytona homage?
Andrew	Oh, so what? So what I'm looking for in a Daytona homage is I'm looking for that really classic 369 subdial. I want an external bezel like I'm. I'm looking for all the same things that I'm looking for in a speedy homage. I'm looking for all those racing chronograph cues. refinement, legibility, and a really elegant simplicity. Because that's what you're getting out of the Daytonas. They're super expensive, but they're not fucking crazy, unless you're looking at the rainbow Daytona that Miley Cyrus wears. Sure, or any precious metal Daytonas. Yeah, and that's bonkers. That's a category in and of itself. But that's what I'm looking for. I'm looking for classic racing chronographs. Cause that's all a Daytona is.
Everett	Yeah. And I think, I think, uh, a Daytona is going to be, um, the Daytona versus the Speedmaster. I think it's a bit more geometric, a bit more blocky, uh, a wider, a wider bezel. You know, that, that Speedmaster bezel is so, uh, I wouldn't call it thin, but relatively thin. Um, it's a, it's a little bit of a pancake watch. I think a Daytona is going to be a little chunkier. notable... When I think of a Daytona, I think of screw-down pushers, so that sort of... Not knurled, but... Some texture. A fluted turner on the pusher. Just a chunkier, more textureful watch.
Andrew	I'm thinking a lot more tool-inspired, a lot more rugged, if you will.
Everett	Rugged in appearance, anyway. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And certainly, when you compare some of the early Daytonas versus the Speedmaster, you know, Speedmaster is still going to have very little water resistance, comparatively, you know, these early Oyster Rolexes are known to be sort of water-resistant powerhouses. So I think that that idea— And in five digits, they fucking ought to be. Right. Right. That's right. That's right. So, yeah, fantastic. I think that just about nails it. Is there anything more that needs to be said about that?
Andrew	I don't think so. I think we start moving into some selections.
Everett	Yeah, why don't we start with your baby?
Andrew	Okay, so this is a watch that we know. Sorry, I had a beer pervert. This is a watch we know. It's a watch we love. And we're going to kick right off with the Seiko SSB-03.
Everett	Now this is different than the watch in this category that we normally talk about.
Andrew	It is. It is. It's a different color scheme, primarily in that it is a stainless tachymeter bezel and all the other features are the same. We still have the water resistance that we know and love. We've got that perfect 40 and 20 sizing, but I feel like the off-color bezel, so you're still getting black dial, black sub dials, you're getting That's the same case shape as you're getting out of the Oh three one, obviously, because the difference is the bezel. You're not getting the ionized bezel, but you're getting a stainless steel off color bezel. And that's, that's kind of where I, one of the big things that I, that I wanted out of a, out of a poor man's Daytona is that contrast. Because when I think Daytona, I'm thinking contrast between the dial and the bezel color. I'm taking typically thinking the reverse. I'm thinking a white dial black bezel. That's where my mind goes when I think Daytona. I don't think the rainbow, I don't think the precious metals, I don't think any of these other things. That's where I'm going. I'm going, I'm a panda with a black bezel. This is a black on black with a stainless bezel. And this is a watch that we all know that we love because it's terrific.
Everett	We all know that we love. Yeah. I mean, I've heard people that are not us refer to this as the 40 and 20 chronograph.
Andrew	Because it is. Right. It is. One of the best value watches on the market. And I'm probably going to take mine home tonight because you've had it for some time. I've reached into my little watch pile to grab it a couple of times and been like, oh, where are you? Which is fine. I have my Mako on a tan leather right now, and I'm really, really digging that combination. So I've been rocking that when not at work. It's a super hard bezel.
Everett	I like it. I like it, and it looks really good. This Citizen strap is no joke.
Andrew	No, it's pretty girthy. But yeah, I have it on the OEM Citizen Avion strap, and it's a money combination. I looked at it actually before I came over Kim's birthday, and I was looking to put my SNK on a different strap, and I was like, ooh, this strap hasn't had any wear in a while. Right. back to crew to form racing chronograph.
Everett	How long will people continue to listen if we just talk about this watch?
Andrew	Probably until the end, because it's a terrific watch. What you're also getting here, and I think this is an important component of the Daytona, the big-ass crown guard.
Everett	Yeah, and I don't know if we talked about this when we, when we, last time we talked about this on the Portmanteau Speedy episode, but this is much more of a Daytona homage than it is, than it is a Speedmaster homage, although it fits in both of those categories.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	And I think this is the only watch that we talked about on both episodes. Is that right?
Andrew	Yes. We'll touch on the V8.
Everett	And we talked about that one.
Andrew	Yeah. But I think that's just because it's such a universally... A universally acceptable chronograph. It's a great racing chronograph. It fits the Daytona kind of homage, that filler. It fits the speedy. But we got some big ass bulky crown guards on this SSB. And I think you're right when you say it's a little bit closer to Daytona than to Speedmaster.
Everett	Well, why don't we do it? Why don't we talk about the Tissot Tits Out? Yeah, the Tits Out. The Tits Out V8 real quick. Let's. Because, you know, the nice thing, what I really like about the SSBL33 is that it comes in at $130.
Andrew	Yeah, because it's, ugh. Guys, if you don't have one, what are you doing?
Everett	Right, right, right. The Tissot, I think if you're looking for a watch like this, I think this Tissot is a really natural place to be. I don't know, for a little over twice the price, you know, coming in at just under 300, I bet you can get these for a little less. We've pulled up one of these on a Helzberg Diamond website, which maybe you can get this for less, but at about 300 bucks for the Tissot, is there anything you're getting Is there anything you're getting here to make this worthwhile?
Andrew	I think not, primarily because you're gaining size. You're getting a 42 and a half millimeter case as opposed to a 40 millimeter case. And maybe you want that. But the Daytonas are ringing in at, what, 39? 40. 40? So you're gaining size. You're missing on that. I'm not going to use the word petite. I'm going to use the word properly sized watch. and you're paying a little more, you're not getting a mecha quartz, you're getting a straight quartz. Which, in fairness, it's Swiss quartz, and I love quartz watches. You all know that. In fact, you make fun of me for that.
Everett	I think it's a neta. I think it's a neta quartz.
Andrew	But you're missing out on the mecha quartz option, which I think, if you're looking to replace a Daytona, if you're not going mechanical, you need a mecha quartz.
Everett	You are getting sapphire.
Andrew	Yeah, I've put the SSB through the ringer and I have not had any issues with the crystal.
Everett	I like the subdial placement on the SSB more. than the TISO, because you're getting a 236 and a 1030, or a 10, a 2, a 10, and a... 1026 on the TISO. The TISO is probably gonna be a slightly more refined, would be my guess, but at 300 bucks for a TISO, I bet it's not significantly more refined.
Andrew	No, and I think what the SSB gets away with is that everything is so polished. There aren't transitions, which I think you're going to get in the Tissot, but with all the polish that you're getting on the SSB, you can overcome some of the lack of attention in the transitions of polish and brushing.
Everett	I do think that the bezel on the Tissot is a little bit broader. I think that it's maybe... Aesthetically, I think there's some advantage, or at least some differences that you may find advantageous. I think that the SSB and the V8 fit very similar places in terms of brand prestige and in terms of having a sort of main line watch that's gonna be very similar to the Daytona without aping the Daytona. They both do this really well.
Andrew	Also, big old chunky crown guards.
Everett	Yeah, yep. On both of these, right? On both of these. I think that they both fit the bill. And you know, there's a thing, right? Some people want Swiss, some people want not Swiss. You know, for folks that we run with, I think that Japanese, there's no disadvantage to a Japanese watch. So in terms of reputation or whatever. I would personally go with the Seiko every day of the week for the price and never think twice about it.
Andrew	I think I like the pushers more on the Hiso. Yeah, they're nice. I think they're just a touch shorter in the recessed portion of the pusher. And I think I like that a little bit more. There's a little bit more differentiation between the top of the pusher and the actual cylinder of the pusher.
Everett	And I think that's what I mean. I think there's just going to be a couple little things where the Tissot is going to offer just a touch more, a touch of refinement, but for twice the price, it's certainly not. Well, I shouldn't say certainly not. You have to decide if that's valuable. It's probably not. I think it's not going to be valuable for me.
Andrew	I think for the Mecca Quartz alone, it's not worth the price difference.
Everett	Okay. You ready to move on? Because I've got to watch. Okay. I'm going to watch it. I've got to find it. I meant to bring it up, but I didn't. Oh, you're the worst. So this is a watch that Jody from Just One More Watch has reviewed. You know, we're huge fans of Just One More Watch. That guy Jody is just, I think he's making some of the best, most consistent, easy to watch, well-organized YouTube reviews there are. He's in our price segment, by and large. He seems like just a hell of a nice guy. I think he follows us on YouTube, which means Or he follows us on Instagram.
Andrew	I was going to say if he follows us on YouTube, we have three followers now.
Everett	We have more than that. I think we have like a hundred. But this is a Pagani Design. I think if you search Pagani Design chronograph, you're going to find these. Now, these are sold... Pagani Design is a weird company, right?
Andrew	I'm apprehensive about your choice. I got to say, I feel like I'm looking at a straight ape of the Daytona. Yeah. And I feel like I'm looking at like,
Everett	So hear me out, because this is not a normal Ev choice. No, this is not a normal Ev choice. You know, I am fairly reluctant to bandwagon on a mushroom brand. And I don't know that Pagani Design is a pure, is what I really call a mushroom brand, but the specs on this thing, the specs on this thing for $89.99. What's the, uh,
Andrew	What's the crossed out price? Is that $449.95? MSRP $449.95. So we're looking at Chinese Invicta.
Everett	So I think, yeah, yeah, that's right. So for $89.99, you get a Mecca Quartz movement. Okay. You get Sapphire. What? You get a true ceramic bezel. Get the fuck out. This is a ceramic fucking bezel. You get screw down pushers, a screw down crown, good loom, and a solid clasp bracelet. Solid end link, machined clasp bracelet.
Andrew	This is all stolen goods.
Everett	It's only got 30 meters of water resistance. Only 30 meters of water resistance.
Andrew	That is... Raining and hand washing are the only things it's rated for.
Everett	And raining has two N's. Raining. Yeah, that's right. So, you know, Jody made the comment when he was reviewing this thing that, you know, the pushers are screwed down, the crown is screwed down, Um, but only 30 meters. I feel like I, I want to test this in the pool. I don't know if he ever did that or not for 90 bucks. You can afford that test. I, I, yeah. Right. I mean, the specs on this thing are out of this world, a deep engraved, beautiful case back. Um, you know, what are we looking at? This is weird. I'm sort of into it, dude. I'm sort of into it.
Andrew	The chapter ring is weird. I don't like that.
Everett	Oh, well, yeah. I mean, it doesn't have a contrast chapter ring, you know, but in terms of... It's so thick. It's chunky. Yeah, yeah. Oh, you mean the chapter ring? The ReHot?
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	Yeah. You know, it's not something that bothers me. I kind of want to get one of these just to sort of play with it. It's probably not a watch that I would love to own just because it is a mushroom brand. But with that said, Mushroom brand. I don't know. I'm probably using that word incorrectly. It's appropriate. And I think everybody will know what I mean when I say that. It's a pejorative that I'm intending to ascribe to it. But I'm not sure if that's fair or not. I think this is super interesting. I'm intrigued. 90 bucks, sapphire ceramic bezel. It looks beautiful.
Andrew	It does. It says casual and fashion, but not simple.
Everett	Casual and fashion, but not simple. Yeah. I want to get one, dude. I'm super intrigued. 90 bucks. Jody said really good stuff about it. He said, you know, gosh, this is good. Um, you know, uh, our, our friend SoCal watch review did a review that he's actually doing a giveaway for on another Pagani design watch. And he had similarly good things to say. His was a sub homage. Uh, and he had similarly good things to say about that watch. Um, obviously a different watch, but you know, gosh, the quality, he was really impressed. So 40, 40 millimeters, 20 millimeters on this 12 millimeter case thickness.
Andrew	I think this is dope. The VK 63 movement. Yeah.
Everett	Yeah. It says Japan movement right on the dial, right where it would say Swiss made. It says Japan movement. I'm intrigued. You, you were, your face was like, yeah. You're like, what's wrong with Everett?
Andrew	I thought you were giving me some bullshit.
Everett	Who are you Everett? Yeah, I'm into it. This is not an Everett pick, but I picked it anyway, because I'm kind of, I, and I didn't think you would find it. I thought, well, if Andrew finds this, he's going to pick it, but I don't think he'll find it.
Andrew	Well, I don't, I remember seeing this, this brand and then moving on.
Everett	Right. As you would, as you would. So the Pagani Design Chronograph, check them out on AliExpress. We'll have links in the show notes, I promise. And Andrew has promised to do the show notes this week.
Andrew	I have, so they're probably not going to happen. Sorry, y'all. Just search what he said.
Everett	Next watch, Andrew, go.
Andrew	Next up, we've got the Orient Neo 70s. The reference on it is the WV0041TX. And this is a little bit off of the Daytona, but here's why I picked it. Just knock your knuckle on the table. I hurt myself a little. I didn't hear it, but your face.
Everett	I'm going to be okay.
Andrew	Okay. Keep it going. You need a band-aid? Maybe. So, I went with the solar panda, the milky white. I hate that they chose milky white as the adverb for white. Keep it going, buddy. Move it along. So, the Neo-70s. This is a watch that we've talked about before. It's a watch that it fits most of the criteria, but we don't have as a tachymeter bezel.
Everett	You know, if the SSB is the 40 and 20 chronograph, I would say this is the two broke watch knobs chronograph. I heard about this watch through two broke watch knobs. You know, Mike, or excuse me, Kaz has his Christmas chrono. Right. That he talks about so often. And he has the LE that he loves. That's right. And this is, you know, I think that they have they sort of introduced this watch to the affordable watch world.
Andrew	Maybe not introduced, but sort of... Brought it forward to the forefront. Proliferated. To the limelight, if you will. Right. And this is a watch we're all familiar with. But this... So the reason I think this fits is because I think it has the refinement that you want out of a little bit more rugged tool watch. You're not getting a tachymeter bezel, and that kinda bugs me when you're dealing with a... Well, you are getting a tachymeter bezel.
Everett	Oh, no.
Andrew	Oh no. It's just a second bezel. Yeah, it's just a second bezel in there. Interesting. It's a little bit weird for, I mean, this isn't a racing chronograph. There's no ifs, ands, or buts questions, comments, or concerns. This just is not a racing chronograph, but this is a really refined chronograph from a brand that we know and trust, and it's coming at $250. So if you're looking for the refinement, if you're looking for still that classic white dial, black sub dials, and a black outer ring, because you're going to get a plain bezel, but you're going to get a black seconds ring on the very outside of the dial.
Everett	Yeah, the second track is black, which is sort of a Paul Newman, which is one of the hallmarks of a Paul Newman Daytona.
Andrew	So you're getting close to it. You're going to get a 430 date, which I like. But this is a close poor man's option. If you're looking for something like a Daytona, but not exactly a Daytona, something that has that same feel, that same refinement, I think this is probably it. And it's solar. I fucking love solar, man.
Everett	Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. No, I think it's great. I think it's great. It's beautiful. The hands on this are beautiful. Orient does a really good job at this price point. I don't love the bracelet. The bracelet's going to be jangle jangle.
Andrew	The bracelet's going to be an Orient bracelet. It's more likely than not going to be the exact same as the Mako bracelet. It's also a little big. It's a little big. 42 millimeters. And a 22 millimeter bracelet. But that's kind of what we expect out of Orient. They get a lot of it right. They get 90% and they say, fuck it. We're not going to give you the last 10%. You're going to have to suffer through it.
Everett	And Orients tend to run a touch large. So, yeah. I think this is a cool choice, man. And I think it fits. I think it fits. I don't think, you know, it's a little bit off the off the off the prompt for you. But I think that's OK. I like it. Good. Good choice. Next up. I'm going to go. I'm going to go. I'm going to go up.
Andrew	Oh, I looked at this watch a lot.
Everett	I'm going to go up in price and I'm going to go significantly up in price. And some might say at nine hundred and eighty euros that this is out. So, you know, I don't know. Is that even a real thing anymore? So it's like six bucks. Does the euro mean anything after Brexit?
Andrew	I don't think it does. So that's why I say it's like eight bucks.
Everett	I think the exchange rate is very good for us right now. I think if you want to buy something that's a EU product, now is the motherfucking time. Because the euro, the dollar is doing very well against the euro right now.
Andrew	Time to buy. Right. Because if you don't, this is going to bounce back and it's going to come in north of a thousand million
Everett	billion money. So at about a thousand bucks, just over a thousand bucks, is the Steinhardt Ocean One Chronograph. Now, this is a true, a true Paul Newman homage. Steinhardt, as a company, at least in its modern iteration, is very much an homage company, or a Rolex homage company. They ape very closely the designs of Rolex and this one's no different right down to the art deco font on the sub dials. This comes in both a standard dial and a quote unquote exotic dial iteration. Uh, this thing is going to be totally, totally out of this world better than any other watch we talk about at a 2824 dash two chronograph movement, which is a Swiss automatic. I think it's the only automatic on our list today.
Everett	51 jewel automatic. This is going to have a signed gold plated rotor, a super Luminova old radium, old radium loom on the hands, uh, which is not offensive on this watch, which is not offensive on this watch the way it is on some other watches. Um, pretty, pretty, uh, pretty subtle. I would say, um, screw down crown and pushers. small seconds at three, 42, so a little bit bigger, and 22 millimeter spring bars, or two millimeter lugs. So this is gonna be bigger than the traditional Daytona, but in terms of aesthetics, nothing on our list is gonna come closer to the Paul Newman era Daytonas. And you pay for this thing, right? You pay for this thing at a thousand bucks. Andrew, did you die?
Andrew	No. I'm texting.
Everett	Okay. Unbelievable. He just totally disappeared. 100 meters of water resistance. Andrew, what do you think?
Andrew	So I think that your Pagan design is a closer homage. I do disagree with you in the matching, but I think if you're... Oh, well, but you know, this is different.
Everett	This is more of the historical Daytona design, right? Right. And this is a one-to-one of the Paul Newman, those 60s era.
Andrew	With the arcing labeling over the six o'clock sub-dial.
Everett	And the Art Deco font on the sub-dials. I mean, this is basically one-to-one. Yeah.
Andrew	This watch almost falls into kind of Daytona land for me in that it is a little bit more than I'm going to spend on a watch that I'm really lusting after, but it's just, it's not, it's not quite it for me. I love the K shape. I love the crowns and pusher. I love the design. I love everything about it. I just can't see wearing it.
Everett	Yeah. You know, I think this is something we don't, we don't really have a firm policy on homage watches. We've been a little bit reluctant to talk about certain homage watches, like, uh, Alphas, right? We've sort of steered away.
Andrew	Oh, we really deliberately steer away from them, I think.
Everett	And I don't know what makes this different than an alpha. For me, I think it is going to be just quality, right? I know a Steinhardt is going to be absolutely the tits.
Andrew	Would you feel that way if alpha was charging a grand, though?
Everett	I don't think so. No. And I think that the fit and finish on this is going to be... Oh, it's going to be head and shoulders above.
Andrew	That's exactly the term I was going to use. But are we judging this against the price point that they're getting it after, or are we judging this against the design cues?
Everett	Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, I think it's a reasonable criticism, and I'm reluctant to express that this is a watch I'd be motivated to buy, because I don't know that I would buy it. With that said, I think if you're looking for something that is very close to a traditional unobtainium Daytona, But you wanna spend $1,000 watch money versus $120,000 to $100,000 watch money. I don't think you can do better than this. Or $750,000, which is what got us on this topic. That's right. I think that you can pick up watches in this era for $20,000 to $100,000, depending on what you want. But I don't know that most of the people who are listening to this are ever gonna spend them on a watch. I think here you're getting... I don't know if you should. A truly premium level, you know, maybe just sub quote unquote luxury level watch that has all of the characteristics of the Daytona that you might want at a much more manageable price point.
Andrew	Yeah, I can get behind it. I like it, but I also don't. I don't know. I'm lukewarm.
Everett	Moving it along.
Andrew	Now here's one when I'm not Luke warm around.
Everett	Okay. And this is a, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to say before you even talk about this, this is a Speedmaster as opposed to a Daytona.
Andrew	Hey, you're right. You're right. But it's a, it's a Dan Henry 1962.
Everett	I'm gonna let you finish, but Beyonce had the best, best video of all time. What? Okay.
Everett	Dan Henry 1962. I'm confused. Kanye? Tay-Tay?
Andrew	Okay, never mind. Keep it going. Pass. So we got the Dan Henry 1962, and I got bad news for you guys. You're only going to be able to find this used, but brand new, it was running at $260. They still have these, don't they? It says join the wait list, for the panda at least. You can get any of the other color variations. You get the reverse panda or the blue. Yeah.
Everett	Okay, so it's just the reverse panda or the panda. Is it? Just the panda.
Andrew	Yeah. So the reverse panda and the blue you can get. But everyone's familiar with Dan Henry. You're getting a 39 millimeter case. Perfect. You're getting a 20 millimeter lug width. Perfect. You're getting a really classic racing style dial. And when I... I think you're right in saying that you're getting closer to a Speedmaster than a Dan Henry, because you're getting a pretty thin tachymeter bezel on the outside. But I think what this has that the, that brings it a little bit, a little bit more into Daytona land is the, just the, the simple elegance of the dial is especially in the Panda. You've got black dial, you've got, or excuse me, white dial, black sub dials, just a light loom on the hours and minutes or yeah, the hours and minutes. matching black seconds hand. I feel like this has the same kind of refinement, the same kind of simplicity that you're getting out of the Daytona that you're not quite getting out of the Speedmaster. But you are right in that it's got a very thin tachometer bezel.
Everett	And twisted lugs. And sort of simple cylinder pushers and
Andrew	Yeah, you're losing out on a lot of the things that you're getting. This is kind of maybe a happy medium between the poor man's Speedy and the poor man's Daytona. Because you're not getting crown guards, you're not getting the same ruggedness you're getting out of the case of the Daytona. But you're getting a lot of the kind of that luxury feel, that really simple. You're not getting something at the six o'clock sub dial, but you're getting just a Dan Henry logo on the top and moving on.
Everett	And, you know, we're huge fans of Dan Henry, right? You know, Dan Henry, I think, you know, this guy, Dan Henry's a guy, right? Just a dude. He's a dude. He's a dude. He's probably, you know, one of the, um, got one of the best watch collections in the world. And he's just a dude that was like, I'm going to make affordable watches for folks that are cheap as fuck. 260 bucks for this guy, right?
Andrew	And a VK63.
Everett	Mecca Quartz.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	Um, you know, it's going to be, it's going to be finishing fit and finish as good as anything else in that price range. And in terms of design, he does, he hits the details, right?
Andrew	You're only getting 50 meters though. 50 meters of water resistance. He's not a water resistance guy. Yeah. Which is, which is reasonable, but you're only getting 50. And I think that's a, that's a important to note.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. I like it, man. Good choice. Oh, thanks. Shut up. All right, last up.
Andrew	Are you ready for me to go off the rails? Yeah, if you want to talk about how my last choice is a speedy homage. I'm going to fucking G-shock, y'all.
Everett	I'm going to go off the rails here. I'm going to go off the rails. Okay, so hear me out. Do I justify it first or do I just say what it is?
Andrew	I think you shape the conversation.
Everett	Okay, so when I think about what a Daytona is, I think about a watch with actual racing roots. Okay. I think about a watch that is a luxury watch from a luxury brand. I think about a watch that feels sporty, that has water resistance, that's going to be fun to wear. And this watch does all of those things. Now there's a, This watch comes in a, in a, in a wide family, and I'm going to narrow it down to a specific part of this family, but specifically the watch I'm talking about is a Tag Heuer Formula One chronograph. And there's a few years, there's a few years from 1991 to 1998, the series one second generation chronograph Formula One watch. So this is a resin case. resin bezeled chronograph quartz watch with 200 meters of water resistance. And let me tell you guys, this watch is a little funky. It's a little funky. Now the reason I've narrowed it down to this specific year period. So the, the, the formula one came out, I believe in, I can tell you exactly when it came out because I've got it in front of me. Um, 1986, Hoyer introduces the Formula One. This is the series one in 1986. This is a quartz three hand watch. They later introduce the chronograph, the first generation chronograph. And in the first iteration of this, so 1989, this has a terrible, terrible, awful mechanical quartz movement made by Ronda. And these things break. They're impossible to fix. It's got an unusual date function on the six o'clock register, and they're terrible, and you don't want one. Okay? And you don't want one. What you want is the second generation. They come with an ETA 251.262. It's a one-tenth of a second chronograph movement. 1991 to 1997. These things are available on eBay from anywhere from $200 to $750 ish. So they're in our price range. It's a Tag Heuer. This is the Formula One was the first watch that was introduced after Tag purchased the Heuer company. So this is the first Tag Heuer watch as it were, not the 1991, 1995 or 97 versions, but the Formula One, the resin case Formula One, and they're very cool. They're very cool. I think most of these cases are 35 or 37 millimeters, uh, full, full resin case, full resin bezel. And I think it does everything I want a Daytona to do besides be a Daytona.
Andrew	Oh, or anything resembling a Daytona.
Everett	You know, it is a chronograph. It doesn't have a tachymeter scale, but with that said, minus the tachymeter scale, I don't think the Daytona does anything that this doesn't also do. It's a, it's a, it's a luxury company. And some people are going to argue whether Tag, Tag Heuer is a luxury company and that's fine. Take my opinion. It's a luxury company. It fits the brand better than any of the other watches we've talked about today. It fits the, general feel of the watch. I want a racing inspired watch from a brand with racing bona fides.
Andrew	Yeah, and you definitely are getting that out of this watch because this is a straight racing brand in my mind.
Everett	Arguably, Tag Heuer has the most legit racing credentials of any watch company that exists, correct?
Andrew	Arguably. I mean, I don't think you can I don't think you can top it.
Everett	And it's fun, man. That's what a Daytona is, right? A Daytona is fun. And this watch is fun. And I think if you really want a Daytona, you can do a couple of things. You can save up half of your salary every year for the next 10 years and go buy a Daytona. Uh, or you can have a, have a long conversation with your wife and buy one of these on eBay tomorrow, right? I mean, alternatively, you can get a Pagani design for 90 bucks and she won't even notice the bill.
Andrew	That's right. That's right.
Everett	I mean, you could do that, but assuming there's something about the Pagani design that doesn't feel right to you, assuming that, because I assume that for many of you, I think this is a great choice.
Andrew	I don't think you're wrong. But I also do think you're wrong.
Everett	Because what are we doing? We're providing people choices, right? Right.
Andrew	We're providing people the options for the poor man's Daytona. And I think if you're trying to grab at the poor man's Daytona, the Pagani Design, the SSB033 are poor man's Daytona. And this is a Daytona alternative. Fair enough.
Everett	Fair enough. And I think the Pagani Design is going to rub some people wrong. And it should. And if this is a Venn diagram, the SSB031 or 033 is going to rub another group of people wrong. And those circles are going to overlap, right? Those circles are going to overlap. I think that this watch is for a group of people that maybe fall in the middle of that overlap. I think if you're in the overlap of the people that the SSB033 rubs wrong, and the Pagani design rubs wrong, and maybe perhaps you don't have the money to spend on a Steinhardt. And that also rubs you wrong, because there's some overlap there, too. I think if you find yourself in that overlap, you either start saving up for a Daytona, which you can do. You can do this. You can do this. Save up. Or you take a look at alternatives. And for me, this is where I would look.
Andrew	I don't think you're wrong. It's a weird choice. But I don't think you're wrong.
Everett	I think I'm right.
Andrew	I'm hesitant to say that. Mostly because I don't want to admit it. But I think you're onto something here. I think it's a wholly different direction. But I think if you're looking to get into that same If you're looking to get into a Daytona for the reasons that a Daytona exists, I think this is a perfect alternative. But if you want a Daytona because you want a Daytona, no.
Everett	This isn't going to be a Daytona. It doesn't look like a Daytona. It doesn't do the same exact thing. It looks like a G-Shock. It doesn't look like a G-Shock.
Andrew	Yes, it fucking does.
Everett	Disagree. You're an idiot. What's wrong with you?
Andrew	It's got the Super, super rugged, gnarly bezel around it. It's all subdued. The, the only real color getting on here outside of white is you're getting the Tag Heuer green and red. This could be at a quick glance mistaken for every big thumper G-Shock that, that we rock. Also, I do, I do think it's weird that the four o'clock date window is still a vertical date and it's not canted. Which is a design cue, I think, just based on the dates of production. But I think that's interesting, and I really... I need time to process how I feel.
Everett	How about this for an entry into the best non-military military watch?
Andrew	This is a one of a kind.
Everett	There's no other watch that exists like this. I love them, man. I love it. You know, Formula One was just discontinued in 2000. They brought them back and you can now get these very nice watches, you know, with sort of modern Tag Heuer calibers. But in the olden days, this was an inexpensive watch coming in at, you know, something like 50% of the price of their standard fare. These were intended to be affordable watches for the masses. And I don't think they quite do that anymore. They're more of a, you know, they've got these modern Formula One caliber 16 chronographs. This is more of a sort of a Macy's shoppin' or, you know, Hellsberg Diamond shoppin' first year associate at KPMG or whatever, right? Yeah.
Andrew	The OG ones.
Everett	Yeah. This is pretty cool.
Andrew	The pushers are cool. I mean, it's a super cool watch.
Everett	All right.
Andrew	I don't know if it fits today. Maybe, maybe you should have introduced it, you know, during like, I don't know.
Everett	You think I missed the prompt?
Andrew	Yeah. Well, but I think, I think you're onto something in the way of a replacement rather than a poor man's.
Everett	Other things. Andrew, go.
Andrew	I just watched a really cool show on Netflix and I really liked it a lot.
Everett	Tell me what it was.
Andrew	It was called The Stranger and it sort of, so it's a, it's a British show on Netflix and it kind of had the same feel as Black Mirror.
Everett	Is The Stranger, that's when you sit on your left hand?
Andrew	For me, your right hand, but yeah, you're onto something there. That's not a replacement. That's a, that's a, continue. So it's called The Stranger. And the whole premise is that this, this person is just walking into people's lives and fucking it up. So the, the show opens and homies chatting with his wife, doing all kinds of like, you know, family stuff. He's watching his kids play soccer. And this woman walks up and I'm immediately thinking, Oh, this dude's about to engage in an extramarital affair. That's why it's called the stranger. No, this, this one walks up and she's like, Your wife had a miscarriage last year, but wait, it was a fake pregnancy. Check your credit card bill. And then she vanishes. And he's like, well, I was curious, but like any normal asshole, he does what she says with this random person who has no credibility to him at all. He checks.
Everett	Well, but the no credibility in and of itself lends some credibility to the statement, this is intriguing, I want to watch the show and know everything about it.
Andrew	She knows about him, right? He goes and he checks and then it launches itself into a really long, into a long story about how this woman is inserting herself into people's lives and upending them and her whole... The stranger. The stranger. Her whole function in the lives of our characters is to expose secrets. And it felt kind of black mirrory, not in the same sci-fi way, but in the same kind of, kind of thriller, what is happening. And then it all wraps up really nicely and you understand it. Like everything makes sense. And there's that, that like just moment of clarity, like in signs or not signs, uh, in, in, uh, Oh shit. The sixth sense. Yeah. The sixth sense. I don't know why I got that was mixed up. But the same way in the sixth sense where there's that, that click, that light switch that turns on that for, for those of you out there who are like me and can predict the ending of TV shows and movies, like the moment you meet the protagonist and the, and the villain, you're like, if you're like Andrew and one of the worst people on the face of the earth, I, you know, I've gotten better about not spoiling it for other people. I sit there and I say in my head, Oh, this is what's about to happen. This is, this is the end of the movie. I've, I've, I've now predicted it. And then I get to the end and nine times out of 10, I'm like, yeah, I expected that, but I still enjoy it. I, that's why I don't, I don't care if people spoil things for me. Cause I'm like, Oh, whatever. I was going to spoil it for myself in the first 10 minutes. Anyway, that being said, check out the stranger. It is a, I think it's like 10 episodes and it wraps up. It's a clean wrap up. They tell the story at the right pace too. And that's something that I think a lot of TV shows struggle with is they, the pacing of their story is, is, and I think the, One of my go-to examples is True Detective. True Detective season one paced it perfectly. True Detective season two, they got through eight episodes of a 10 episode season and they're like, fuck, we've told 30% of the story. We need to wrap this shit up because we are out of time. And then they just wrap it up quick. And that's the same thing with the final season of Game of Thrones. They were really diligent diligent about how they manage their time, and I think they did a really good job, and it's definitely worth a watch. Fantastic.
Everett	Yeah, fantastic. So I've got another thing. Do me. Right now? So, Radiolab. We've talked about Radiolab a number of times on this show. Yeah. Because it's arguably one of the top, you know, four or five podcasts of all time. Concur. In some of the episodes, you know, we've talked about the the Colors episode where they talk about the mantis shrimp and it's just... I mean, oh my gosh, you guys. If you haven't listened to that episode, stop. Stop listening to us.
Andrew	We're just talking about other things at this point. We're running long.
Everett	Just stop and go listen to the Colors episode regarding the mantis shrimp on Radiolab. Oh my gosh. However, so one of the producers from Radiolab, and Radiolab is this giant company at this point. They've just got loads and loads of producers. The amount of time they put into these episodes Fantastic. Sad news, you know, Robert Corowitch. So, Robert Corowitch has retired just in the last couple of weeks, which makes me very sad. And I just want to say, A, thank you to Robert Corowitch for being such an important part of my sort of foundational years in life and teaching me so much about stuff. But one of their producers, a fellow named Latif Nasser, Latif Nasser, uh, has started a six part series. And I think episode two may be out tomorrow. Um, but episode one, uh, of a six part series, the other Latif is the name of the series. And I think the, I think that the background on this is at some point Latif Nasser searches his name. There's this thing where you can look up other people's with the same name as you and see how many other people there are thousands for me. That's right, yeah. So Andrew Roberts, right, there's going to be eight billion of you. Fewer for me.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	And for Latif Nasser, they came up zero. And he's like, well, but I'm a lot or less than one. And he's like, well, but I'm one. But I'm a whole person. So he finds nothing. But at some point he figured out there's actually another fellow in the United States. I've got fingers crossed you can't see it. In the quote unquote United States called Latif Nasser. It's me. It's my fake identity. And this is actually a fellow named Abdul Latif Nasser, which if there's some, there's some nuance there to the pronunciation, but this is a fellow who is a resident of the Guantanamo prison facility. Oopsies. Because he's a suspected terrorist. And if you know anything about Guantanamo is not all of the residents. of the Guantanamo prison system have been convicted or even perhaps charged with any crime.
Andrew	It's a weird gray area. That's why it's in Cuba.
Everett	That's right. That's right. So this episode has started off... This series has started off with episode one, which is sort of the story of Latif Nasser's... Abdul Latif Nasser's, excuse me, residency at Guantanamo and his ultimate, his ultimate, the United States government's decision to ultimately release him and what went wrong there. And so it ends on a bit of a cliffhanger and it's six episodes, so I assume there's going to be more cliffhangers, but I spent an hour and whatever, two minutes just absolutely glued to the speakers in my car. And I think you may too. So far, very fun. I have no clue where this is going to go. I've done no research because I'm kind of excited about learning the story. You know, I don't want to spoil it for myself. Just started, it's current, it's brand new. If you guys want to listen in, after you listen to the new episodes, you can message me, give me your comments, and I'll feel free to rap. I'll be excited to rap with you about it. I'm super pumped about it. I think it's going to be super fun, and I think it's something you should check out if you haven't already. America. Ah, fucking America. Andrew, do you have anything else today? I don't. I don't have anything else today. Let's do it. Let's do it. I'm glad you came over. Me too.
Andrew	Missed you.
Everett	I missed you too.
Andrew	I saw you just a couple of days ago, but I don't know. That was crazy, man. Yeah, it was bonkers.
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