Episode 66 - Poor Man's Big Pilot

Published on Wed, 29 Jan 2020 22:19:00 -0800

Synopsis

This is a transcript of the 40 in 20 podcast episode discussing affordable alternatives to the IWC Big Pilot's watch. The hosts Andrew and Everett talk about their personal watch tastes and experiences, then review several affordable "poor man's" options for aviator/pilot style watches under $500 like models from Aromatic, Laco, Citizen, Jack Mason, Glycine, and Teisel. They explore the specs, movements, sizing, and value propositions of each affordable pilot watch option. Other topics discussed include the recent viral video of a man finding a valuable vintage Rolex Daytona in a couch, Netflix's Pandemic show, and plans to start a YouTube channel for the podcast. The hosts inject humor throughout while providing watch enthusiast perspectives and banter about life experiences. They ultimately recommend the Teisel model from Korea as the best affordable alternative to an IWC Big Pilot, praising its Miyota movement, customization options, and overall quality for the $200 price point.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. This is the 40 in 20 podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Unknown I'm doing really good.
Andrew Yeah. You have an unusually deep voice today and also an unusually sloppy microphone.
Everett I'm doing okay.
Unknown Yeah. Yeah.
Everett I'm doing okay. No, you know what? I'm doing a little bit better. Okay. I had a professionally very good week.
Andrew America, well done.
Everett Yeah, I made a bucket load of money. Better still. I won a case, I won a trial that I've been working on for... Wow, I mean, you know how these things go. I've been working on it for a year, but I've been working on the trial basically every working moment for the last week. And so to have all that culminate in a Big fucking victory! Arms widespread in a V. Yeah, that was pretty fun. Well done. Congratulations. And you know what? I mean, it wasn't like a layup either. It was like a 2011 Dwight Howard throwdown.
Andrew That's what I'm talking about.
Everett Yeah, it was awesome. It was a slam dunk, as it were. But not just a but not just a, like a, Oh, I dunked it.
Andrew Like a, I just ended your life. Shatter the backboard, teabag in the air kind of thing. Yes. Yeah. It was awesome. Excellent.
Everett It was awesome. And, and you know, the, the hubris on the other side, you know, this, this it's, it's one of those things where the emotions are all sort of, uh, uh, irrational, right? Yeah. The emotions are irrational. So, so not only the emotions involved in, um, not only the emotions involved in winning, but in the opposition. And, you know, it ceases at some point to become or it ceases at some point to be directly linked to the best interests of the client. And it's like, I'm actually now just going to win.
Andrew Oh, yeah. It's like it's a purely ego thing.
Everett There's some ego.
Andrew Yes. I can't imagine a single attorney not having also an extremely competitive streak within them.
Everett I just turned your your volume up because you were too quiet and I'm sorry I didn't do that earlier and I'm sorry to you at home sitting in your car struggling to hear Andrew.
Andrew I'm not so sorry because I feel like that I'm maybe kind of like just the token person like you just need somebody to talk to and bounce things off of. Do you feel that way?
Unknown No.
Andrew But I mean I'm apologetic that people have to listen to the sound of my voice.
Everett You know who I feel bad for? Who? I feel bad for Wes and Cullen, because they come on the show and they just tell us good stuff, and then we just have them down like this.
Andrew We're the stars of this show.
Everett Our new watch is going to be really good. It's going to come out and... Sorry, guys. Yeah, you know what? That's funny, because when they came on, they said before the show, like, why don't we record separately? We'll send you this. And I thought, I don't want to record in multitrack. It's a pain in the ass to edit it. And the file is way bigger. Let's just, this always works. Turns out it didn't. The one time a guest offered to record their own audio, I turned him down. That's a mistake. That's a mistake. You know what? I made a mistake. Can I just admit that right now here on air?
Andrew And you know what? You're a big man to admit it. And we learned from it. It was a learning opportunity. We're going to capitalize on that opportunity and we'll make the same mistake again in the future.
Everett That's right.
Unknown That's right.
Everett How are you? How was your week?
Andrew Uh, it was good. It was kind of long because I'm, I'm doing annual training in conjunction with my work schedule. So I'm working seven days a week right now and have been for the last three. So I'm like, uh, I'm kind of in that tired stage where I'm just fucking wired. I am simultaneously exhausted and endless energy. It's not a great feeling, but whatever, only a couple more weeks of it. And then we're going to move on with my life and my, my AT will be done. I'm going to go back to, the glory of a 410 work week.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew Because that is the most fantastic schedule on the planet. It's a good one. I mean, a 210 schedule will be far better, but there's just not a lot of money in a 210 schedule. Or like a 15. Yeah. There's just not a whole lot of money to be made there. So I mean, I can't. I mean, I could do okay.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. I could survive on that. Yeah.
Andrew You'd be okay. Yeah. That's, that's whatever. Yeah. My job's more fun.
Everett Um, you know, I, uh, I had an experience this week where I was, you know, I was going into work, you know, seven-ish, seven-ish, and then working until 9.30, 10-ish. Three and a half hours, whole three and a half hours? Yeah, no, night. So going in in the morning, coming home late at night. Oh, okay. You know, as I was leading up to the trial, but I'd come home and I'd be so, like, just amped up, you know, and I couldn't sleep.
Andrew I couldn't say I don't get that way. I've gotten really good at leaving work at work.
Everett Yeah, that's good. That's good. It's not so much that I've take well. No in that case. I had taken home. So yeah, I feel you just I had I had a rough sleep week, but now everything is everything is golden. I mean, I'm still very very behind but yeah, whatever cares Bobby McFerrin man.
Andrew You ever caught up you're doing it wrong, right? Especially in your line of work. You're caught up. You're fucked.
Everett You're unemployed. Yeah, that's right. That's right. Well, enough about you and me.
Andrew Yes. Way, way more than enough. Can we talk about Rolexes? I think we should talk about a specific Rolex.
Everett Is it a Daytona?
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Is it a Cosmograph? It is.
Andrew All right. You guys saw it, right? Yeah. You saw it. And everyone's seen this dude in his camo headband collapsed to the earth.
Everett That guy reminded me of the pot grower from Grand Theft Auto San Andreas. Yep. That's who he reminded me of. Yep.
Andrew Like that's the guy that grows pot in San Andreas. What's crazy about this is this is the second time in the last year that one of these watches has just been like happened upon. Is it? What was the other one? Like eight months ago or so, that woman found one in her couch. Oh yeah.
Everett I just find goldfish in my couch.
Andrew Yeah, and french fries and band-aids and Legos. That's what exists on my couch.
Everett I'm 95% sure, 96% sure I've never found a Rolex on my couch.
Andrew Yeah. And the crazy thing about it is that made me want to start going and buying couches from Goodwill and just tearing them apart. What's the deal with Andrew and the couches?
Everett It's a long story.
Andrew It's not a big deal. Someday he's gonna, it's like, It's like my version of the lottery. I'm not going to buy Powerball tickets. I'm going to buy $25 couches from Goodwill, and I'm going to shred them, and then I'm just going to make a mountain in my backyard, and eventually I'm going to find a Daytona.
Everett You know, it's pretty cool. We had, I think it was, what, Tuesday morning, I had like three people send it to me, or send it to us, which turns out to be… Because I was at work.
Andrew I don't really use my phone when I'm at work.
Everett I'd like three people send it to us and, uh, is watching it, you know, it's cool, right? It's cool. It's like this fucking guy and he buys this $345 Rolex in the seventies, which was like a month of salary. And then, uh, yeah, you know, it's a cool story. It's, it's sort of relatable. Um, and, and, you know, right, you hit the lottery, man, you hit the lottery, uh, and, and, and that's neat. That's exciting. Oh, it's super cool.
Andrew I'm happy for him. What's interesting, though, and what it prompted in me is, what watch could we buy today for a month's salary that would be a retirement in 30 years? And there's no way to know. That guy went in probably to just buy a Rolex. That was the one he happened to pick out, and now he has three quarters of a million dollars. It's going to come out to probably half a million dollars. Yeah. After capital gains or whatever. And probably paying an auction house and all other kinds of things. But yeah, that's what, what watch is that? Tell me, tell me what watch that is today. I'll go buy 10.
Everett Dan Henry, 1972. Okay. Dan, I'm clearing out your inventory. Yeah, I mean, I guess that's the deal, right? We don't really know. We don't really know. And he didn't know. You know, if there had been any sort of reliable prospectus on those things, then you wouldn't have been able to find one. And I think that that's part of what makes a Rolex so hard to buy today is that people have seen this astronomical growth. You know, the math on that works out to about $2,200, I think. Um, $2,200 today just with inflation. I mean, you can't get, uh, I mean, you can't get a Rolex for $2,200. There's no, uh, no working condition Rolexes on the market for maybe there's some of the weird, uh, dress models or something that, that I don't know about, but I mean, by and large, uh, entry level for a used Rolex is, is 4,000. Right. And then they go up. This was a top of the line. top of the line, bees knees flagship Rolex. And it was the equivalent of 2,200 bucks.
Andrew And that's impossible now. Yeah. You can't get into really any true luxury watch for 2,200 bucks right now.
Everett That's right. I mean, you're looking at, you know, perhaps, uh, Oris or Longines, you know, one of these sort of middling, um, Swiss companies, perhaps, or, you know, some of the higher end or, you know, middle-level Seiko stuff. But, you know, even in the 70s, Rolex was king shit. And... At $2,200. At $2,200, the equivalent of $2,200. Yep. So, yeah, I mean, obviously, obviously a total crapshoot, right? You never know.
Andrew So I think the lesson to be learned here is buy one of each and just lock them all in a safe. Because the sad part about that is this guy never really enjoyed his watch.
Everett Yeah, you know, we posted on the Instagram, you guys may have seen this, but I, Everett, posted that, you know, I think it's really sad. I feel a little sad for him. You know, I don't feel sad for him because he- Because he just made a shit. He just really won a lottery. He got lucky, but I mean, if you think about it in terms of, you know, here's this guy, he saves up a month wages. You know, he was probably deployed or something. He just had it sitting in the bank, but he has this money and he buys the watch he really wants. and then he never fucking wears it. He sticks it in a safety deposit box because he's scared to wear it. That sucks. I think that sucks. Yeah, that's no way to live. Yeah, you know, and $700,000 is a bucket load of money, but that's a conservative 401k, you know, maybe not a 345, but for me, the takeaway is some people are going to get really lucky. My concern, to the extent I'm concerned, I'm not fucking concerned about you guys. do what you want. But I think to the extent I have a concern is that, you know, someone's going to be encouraged to, you know, buy some watch they really want to have and then never enjoy it, you know? Because he didn't care about that watch. You could tell he didn't care about it. It's just been a thing in a box. You know, it's not special to him. It's not special to this fucking kid.
Andrew This kid's never seen it. This kid never will see it now. I mean,
Everett some You know, spend way too much money on a watch. I'm going to wear it, right?
Andrew His daily driver is probably an easy reader.
Everett Yeah, it could be. Yeah, it could be. You know, I'm wearing my Speedmaster today. You know, I don't wear it every day because we have a fuck ton of watches between the two of us, and then people keep sending us watches to review.
Unknown Oh, it's awful.
Everett And they're all amazing. So I don't wear my Speedmaster, but I'm going to wear that thing. I'm not gonna take care of it. I'm not gonna baby it. I'll take care of it, you know what I mean? But I'm not gonna baby it, right? I'm gonna wear it. I got this settlement, and then I went and bought the watch that I really wanted, and yeah, it's fucking valuable, but I'm gonna wear it.
Andrew So is your car.
Everett You drive your car all kinds of places. I mean, that thing cost almost exactly the same amount of money as my car, like within a couple of dollars difference. How about that?
Andrew And you drive the shit out of your car. I do. And you, you've tried to do some crazy things with your car. You, you, we, I mean, you convinced me into it and I was down to do it. We were going to cut your exhaust system and install some, some long chrome tipped exhaust on there. I still think I'm going to do that. And that's the kind of behavior I'd expect from you. Cause it's awesome. Cause you love your car and you're going to enjoy your car and you're going to do things that you like.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. I might not put straight pipes on it, but I do want to put, I do want to put an exhaust on it. I might pick up like a, Pick up some flows or something. That'd be cool. You know, it's got that big V8, man. It's got that 1UZ, but you know, Lexus, Lexus, bless their hearts. Really dedicated to a quiet experience. And I'm like, you know what, Mr. Lexus? I maybe want a little bit noisier existence.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew And you'd look so weird. It would, yeah, it would be a whole thing.
Everett Put cherry bombs on the bottom of my LS400. Hell yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. So that's our take on the Daytona. I think it's a cool story, right? I would worry that someone thought... I hope it happens to me one day. Yeah, right. I'm not angry. I'm not angry. I don't think that that is something that is relevant to a watch collector. To me, he seems like a someone who doesn't care about watches, someone who bought a thing, but at the end of the day, he didn't really care about watches.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett Bless his heart for taking care of it, but he doesn't really care about watches. That's how I feel about it.
Andrew I wonder what the service is gonna cost on that after 30 years of never really being in the daylight.
Everett Well, I think that there is... I think that there's probably a good side and a bad side to it. Certainly, the oils will have dried But if it's truly, truly, truly been sitting in a safety deposit box the whole or most of the time, then it won't have operated unlubricated. I did notice that the foil on the back looked like it had more wear than nowhere, right? That watch has been worn some, certainly, and who knows how much. But the other thing I noticed was that on the show, it was running. It had been wound and was running.
Andrew um roadshow probably tested it that was probably one of the things that he did that might have been detrimental well that was my thought that maybe they had maybe that it had already been serviced well perhaps yeah maybe they had someone service it uh and i don't know oh to air it they went in like hey dude you're gonna be a star on antique roadshow we're gonna get this bitch in for service so it can be running on the show and we can tell you how much it's worth yeah right right so then they can make sure it works and they can give them a good quote who knows uh or maybe just someone doesn't
Everett Let us know if you know.
Andrew Yeah, if you're an Antique Roadshow insider. I was unaware that Antique Roadshow was still a thing.
Everett Yeah, yeah. I still, I mean, I follow Antique Roadshow on YouTube, so I still get Antique Roadshow clips and episodes.
Andrew The video looks like it was shot in the 90s. They must still be using the same equipment they've been using for the last 30 years. Perhaps, perhaps.
Everett Public, it's, it's, it's, uh, public broadcasting, man. Take it easy. Yeah, whatever. So I got one more piece of watch news. Uh, I don't know if this is watch news per se insert. In fact, it's certainly not watch news, but, um, evil custom E V E L understore custom. Uh, he was one at one of the brains behind the, uh, traveling watch project. So we have not had Mr. custom on the show before, but we have talked about them when we had JD Campbell on. But Evil Custom sent us a link tonight. This is a... Gosh, you guys. I'm just going to have to link it because I don't... The website here doesn't say what the website is. The URL is hella confusing, but I will say it's an article about the Accutron indexing mechanism. So it talks about, you know, It talks about sort of the difficulty, the complication of the gear, the Accutron gear system, how that system works. It's got some great diagrams and some figures. Again, I apologize that I can't tell you anything about this website, but really it's... It's probably like a residual blog from... Members.inet.net.au. So it's some Australian website. Sounds like a porn website. photo plot accidents yeah yeah so it's not a website i'm familiar with but it's got this article on there so we'll we'll definitely email it to you definitely click the link right definitely put in your credit card information you can trust us that's right that's right so uh yeah we'll link this on the we'll link this in the show notes assuming i do show notes uh people are getting mad about the show no whatever y'all just listen to the show again people i'm sorry
Andrew Just pull a notepad out.
Everett Yeah, we'll be better about it. I keep promising people to be better. And I think we're on two weeks in a row of good show notes, or at least show notes.
Andrew Yeah. I told you I was going to take it on, and then I started working every day, and it just turned it on. I'm tired.
Everett Well, we've been going for 20 minutes, and we haven't started talking about watches. I mean, I guess we did. I guess the Daytona thing, that's news. That's watch news.
Andrew That counts as... And the porn bot website. Not the porn bot website. It's just the URL that you described sounds like a porn bot website.
Everett Right. And I won't promise before you click on it that it's not. So good luck. But definitely put your credit card information in. Okay. So we're talking about fun. I mean, I think this is a fun topic.
Andrew I kind of like this little series that we're doing of the poor man's edition.
Everett Yeah. The poor man's. Yeah. The poor man's watch. The poor man's watch. We're going to do, what is this? Is this part three? Part three of the poor man's? the poor man's watch so drumroll because you don't know but we're gonna do the poor man's big pilot yeah with a big caveat yeah it's not big none of these watches are 55 millimeter no and and reason being at least for my choices is the
Andrew Not only is it a poor man's big because I love the way the big pilot looks. I put one on once and I laughed.
Everett Was it a was it a 55? Yeah, I put like a full size.
Andrew Yeah. And I forget I was in some some airport saw an IWC will shop and put on the big pilot. Um, where the fuck was I? What is that? That's like a $15,000 watch, right? Yeah, it was somewhere in Texas. And I remember it was I was in Texas because I just had a barbecue sandwich and I for sure got barbecue sauce on the watch. I didn't even think about it until after the fact. And I was like, oh, they're going to be mad. But it felt good. When I put it on and it was comical, it was it it was absurd. Right. This is like the big pilot is far more appropriate over a spacesuit than a Speedmaster. Because it would just it would like dimensionally be appropriate.
Everett Anyway. They wore them on the thigh, right?
Andrew The big pilot?
Everett Yeah. They can. You know, Mike and Kaz were talking about this this week. In fact, they were talking about Axis power watches, but we had already sort of planned this episode and had been researching for it when I listened to their episode. But yeah, I think they were saying that it was designed to be worn on the thigh.
Andrew It could be worn on your fucking ankle and you could still read it.
Everett I just leave it in the... I just leave it in my bedroom. I can see it all day. It's like the sun.
Andrew Yeah, there's a little bit... There's still some loom coming off of it. It's a whole thing. So we went with a little bit more conservatively sized watches. Yeah. Primarily because that's what we can wear. Yeah, that's what we wanna wear. We wanna wear these sizes. That's what we wanna wear, but we still want that aesthetic. We still want that look. We want that really classic either type A or type B pilot's watch. So that's what we went with today. Our biggest watch, I think, rings in at 44. Yeah, 44, 45, something like that. Yeah, 44, 45, which is large for the type of watches that we like to wear and large even towards the way that watch style is trending.
Everett And then several of these are smaller too. Several of these are 40, which even just a few years ago would be considered sort of a conservatively or mid-size watch. So in the scheme of pilot's watches, that's
Andrew Teeny tiny. Itty bitty, teeny tiny, type A pilots watchie. Yeah. So let's get into them. So we've both picked a couple, and we're going to start with one that I picked. And I don't know much about this brand. No, I've never heard of it. So it's Aromatic 1912.
Everett Yeah, and aromatic is spelled like... A-E-R-O. Like lavender. It's an aromatic.
Andrew No, it's not.
Everett Okay.
Andrew That's not how you spell that word. It's spelled aromatic, A-E-R-O, like Aeropostale.
Unknown Oh, yeah.
Andrew Yeah. This is an automatic aviators watch. It's the A1336. And from what I could find about this watch is that it is a likely all produced in China. Mm-hmm. Assembled in Germany, can wear the made in Germany seal because they have a little bit different criteria from the made in Germany. And so that's what I could find about it. This is not a brand I've ever heard of, but when I discovered it, it was a result of a Google search for big ass onion crown watches. That's awesome. And so that's what I was browsing through because I love My absolute favorite part of the big pilot is that big ass crown. And that is a crown that would be wholly inappropriate on any watch, on a watch, any smaller than 55 millimeters. So that's what I was looking for, which was for a big pronounced crown. And the whole point of that is that you can manipulate the crown in gloves. And when you've got some dexterity issues, whether it be from gloves or cold or any other kinds of things. So this is not the same triangular crown, but just a bulbous, Big ass round crown. A really classically styled dial.
Everett It's a little busy. I mean, the dial's a little busy.
Andrew It's, but it's got, it's got the components that you want. Yeah. Right. It's got, it's got all the, all the things that you want. These ring in at 42 millimeters, I think.
Everett 40. Yep. It's a 40.5. Okay.
Andrew So a 40 millimeter. 13 thick. Yeah. 20 millimeter lugs.
Everett So 40 and 20, 50 meters of water resistance.
Andrew Which is a bit of a bummer. What I couldn't find reliably was the type of movement that's in here. I found some reviews stating that they were rondas, some stating that they were miyotas.
Everett It's an automatic movement, so it's probably not a ronda. It's probably not a ronda. I suspect it's a 8000 series miyota. Very likely. That's what it looks like to me.
Andrew Couldn't find anything reliably saying any direction or the other, but you're going to get an automatic movement. What I could find about these was that some units come out great. They work just fine. And then others you get lemons, which is kind of what I, isn't surprising. These are ringing in at $175 plus some shipping. I couldn't find any prime options for these, which is a bummer. Um, I like it. The, the lugs are a little bit short, It's not exactly a big pilot. It's not perfect for it, but it does have a perfect crown.
Everett Yeah. I like that crown. I wouldn't call it perfect, but it's, it's interesting. I love it. Uh, you know, there's a couple of things going on here that I think are a little interesting. Um, it's got a bit of a, the dial's not pure white. It's got the primary, um, or the secondary hour, markers. So it's got big, white, bold numerals 1 through 11. And then it's got much, much smaller sort of antiqued font laying out 13 through 24. It's got around the outer track, it's got five minute intervals, 5, 10, 15, 20, etc. But then inside the big white numerals, it's also got Another set of 5, 10, 15, 20. Um, but they are in there, they're in reverse, they're, they're, uh, inverted their mirror images. And I don't know, maybe, uh, a pilot would know immediately what this for. I'm wondering if that, so you can see, read it in its reflection, like in a window or something. I don't know. Why would those be, why would those be in reverse?
Andrew funsies yeah well it is fun i i don't disagree with that i don't disagree with that i like this watch i like this watch is the logo a jellyfish andrew it kind of looks like it i couldn't get close enough on any of the pictures i could find to say definitively because as i as i zoomed in it just kind of pixelated but yeah kind of looks like it could be a jellyfish an aromatic jellyfish everyone knows that when you cook jellyfish it's quite aromatic
Everett Well, I like it. $175. It's an automatic. I think this is a great sort of entry.
Andrew It's a little bit risky, though. I think if you've got $175 that you're willing to take a risk on, go ahead and spend it and have it shipped direct to us, and then we'll send it on to you when we're done. But I'm intrigued by this watch. I'm not really in a position right now to drop $175 on a risk, but shortly I might be. Yeah.
Everett Yeah, I like it. I like it. So item number two, item number two, watch number two. So this, again, the poor man's, the poor man's, this is how this goes, right? We pick a watch that everybody wants, right? And everybody wants an IWC Big Pilot.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett Everybody wants one, you know, unless you have one, you want one, I think, right?
Andrew Yeah, and if you're not going to wear it, you still want it.
Everett We did a poor man's Speedy. We did the poor man's Datejust. You know, these are watches that it's like, Yeah, I want to have one of those. Yeah. Everybody wants an IWC Big Pilot, but I'm not buying an IWC Big Pilot.
Andrew No, and even if I had the money to, I still wouldn't because I don't want to wear a manhole cover on my wrist. Right.
Everett Well, an IWC makes obviously more conservatively sized watches, but still very expensive. But I want the Big Pilot. So it's a whole thing. These are what you might pick up if you have the Hankren. You have the Hankorin, but you can't afford it. So this, I really like this watch. We've got seven watches we're going to talk about today. Of the seven, this is tied with one other watch for the watch that I would definitely get if I was in this position. This is the Lakko. The Lakko, I think this is the Aachen. This is the Type B variant of Lakko's entry-level automatic pilot's watch. Locco is a company that has bona fides. I think it's also said Locco. Locco. Yeah. Yeah. They're the K. Like Vatos Locco. Yeah. No, like for Locco. Forever.
Andrew For Locco forever.
Everett Blood in, blood out. Oh, okay. Continue. So the Locco Augsburg and the Aachen, these are Locco's entry-level watches. You know, Locco is a cool company. I think they're a cool company. They don't follow the traditional sort of price segment model. I can't think of another company besides perhaps Seiko that dips its toes into affordable watches the way Laco does. Another luxury company, right? And Seiko has grown from a middle-class company to now becoming a luxury company. So it seems that their entry-level roots are being erased. Locko is a company that has been semi-luxury for many, many years, decades perhaps, but they still have these watches that are really very accessible. There's some problems with these watches, right? There's some problems with these watches and some reasons that this watch may not be my favorite on the list. They're made in Germany, which means very little. They have 8,000 series Miyota movements, the 821A automatic movement, which is, uh, not a great movement.
Andrew They could do a lot better, especially at a $400 price point.
Everett Yeah. So, so not a great movement. And I think without ever having spent any serious time with these, that the finishing on the case on this is probably not to use a watch term superlative. Now, it's got a beautiful display case back. It's got an engraved, stylized, signed rotor. It's attractive. The whole thing's attractive. But I think that you're going to notice the corners being cut here.
Andrew I think, I think part of that's just going to be German engineering and design features is you're, you're going to get a little bit more of an industrial, um, manufactured feel as opposed to the, the Japanese engineering and styling where you're going to get super, super refined, really repeated. Um, I think you're just going to, I think that's just a function of, of, German engineering, as you're gonna get a little bit more industrial feel to it.
Everett So we've pulled these up. We've pulled these up on Amazon, 398 bucks. This is a 42-millimeter watch, 20-millimeter lugs, 13-thick, so they look like chunks. When you see the profile of this, it looks a little chunky, but it's not 13 millimeters. It's just very slab-sided. All of these Pilot's watches are slab-sided. It's a column.
Andrew I hate the strap, just for the record.
Everett Oh yeah, it's got this riveted leather strap. I hate that. I hate it a lot.
Andrew Well... I know you can change it, but I still hate it a lot. I would like to buy a watch that I could wear the OEM strap or bracelet on.
Everett I think that this is a pretty typical Flieger style strap.
Andrew It is, but I still don't like it.
Everett That's fair. That's fair. So I really like this watch. And I think that if you're looking... I think if you want to have... a luxury Swiss watch that wasn't stupid, you know, or a Swiss watch made by a luxury brand that wasn't not Swiss, excuse me, a luxury watch made by a European luxury brand at a truly entry level point. I think that this is the most accessible, uh, luxury, affordable watch that is out there. They're readily available. They're not hard to find. They've got this super historical name on the dial. It's a watch that's got its own stylistic history. Yeah.
Andrew The ones I wish were just a touch more accessible were the Stovas.
Everett Yeah. Those are a little bit pricier.
Andrew For the most part, coming in around a grand.
Everett All right, number three, this is an Andrew watch.
Andrew This is a watch that we've talked about time and time again, and it's the Citizen Avion. There's a chronograph version. These are both going to run in at about $175, $180. And they are, I think, if you're looking to dabble in pilot's watches, they're on the bigger side. They're 44, 45 millimeters. EcoDrive, the finishing on them is killer. There's nothing more to say that we haven't already said about these watches. Absolutely consider them. The OEM strap on them is perfectly acceptable. I wore mine for a very long time on the OEM. It's a little bit thick, but it holds up. It stands up to some pretty good wear. They're attractive. What else do we have to say about it that we haven't already said?
Everett You know, this is the one chronograph on our list. And in fact, yours is not a chronograph. No, I don't have the chronograph.
Unknown That one.
Everett Yeah. I'm trying to click on it, but it won't come up. That's the, so I've just clicked on the wrong one. Let me give a good reference number for this, but this is a bigger watch. Um, it is an eco drive, so it's a, it's a quartz watch, which, uh, there's nothing wrong with that. Uh, well, the eco drive movement, I typed in citizen chronograph.
Andrew No, no, no, no. Yeah. Don't do that. It's maybe, maybe you've ruined everything.
Everett Uh, citizen, citizen avion.
Andrew Yeah. Definitely. Type citizen one more time. That'll hurt.
Everett Yes. You're making the sausage there. There she is. There she is. First class watches. Creation watches. I trust creation watches. 96 bucks.
Andrew Oh, look at that on creation watches. 96 money. 96 bucks. On the Amazon, I think it was 180 when I looked today.
Everett So, you know, this is not necessarily a true sort of throwback classic watch. I'm going to give you a model number, AW1360-12H, which I think is 12 hour, probably. 1360, AW1360-12H. Yeah, I think these are cool, man. They're sort of modern, but without being... Yeah, they're a good modern interpretation of a classic pilot's watch. Yeah. And the hands, I think that's my favorite. I have two things about this watch that I just love. Every time I say it, every time you wear this, I love the handset. I love the crown. Love the crown.
Andrew I love the crown. The finishing on it's killer too. Yeah. This was a really, really well thought out, well designed watch.
Everett How much did you pay for yours?
Andrew $180 probably.
Everett $96 on Creation Watches.
Andrew Shit, a year ago, it was 80 bucks on Amazon. I'm so curious.
Everett You should have put it in a safety deposit box.
Andrew Yeah. Lost money.
Everett Uh, yeah. So it's a type B, you know, so it's got the inner 24 hour ring. Um, yeah, these are neat, man. These are really cool. Uh, the lugs are interesting. Did you talk about the lugs already?
Andrew And did I just miss it? No, I didn't talk about it. We've talked about the swatches shitload. Let's move on to the next one.
Everett I like how the lugs like sort of come in from the outside and like grab. Yeah. Grab this fly. Yeah. All right. All right. Well, that one didn't come up, so we're not going to talk about it.
Unknown Which one?
Everett This is, uh, this is the, um, actually we'll wait on that one. So next we're going to talk. So this is a, this is a brand I heard of. I heard of just this last week. I'd never heard of them while working on this. No, no, just before that actually when you said let's do that. I was like, oh cool. I can talk about I can talk about Dekla Whoo-hoo. So this is a German company Dekla. Yeah, you know Two broke watch now depth so this week is pretty cool and I'm gonna mention it just because it's so on point but they talked about the axis power watches and Their discussion axis or access, you know, that's so funny that you say that because the whole every time Kaz said it I was like, why is he saying access?
Andrew Oh, now you're saying access, right? You got in your head, man. Access. There it is. Access. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. Access watches and, you know, meaning Japan, Germany, Italy. The axis of evil. Yes, that's right. And their conversation about it is good. It's measured. It was really reasonable and I think fair. And it was super interesting, fun to listen to. So this is a watch that I hadn't heard of, and I don't believe they talked about these, but I saw this on the Instagram. This is a German watch. I don't know the history behind this company, Dekla, but they don't seem to be a brand new company. And they're doing a lot of stuff in-house. They're doing a lot of stuff in-house. So it's an ETA movement. You can get this with your choice of a 2824-2 or a 2801, the 2801 being a mechanical, a hand-wound mechanical. Both automatic hacking, or excuse me, both hacking, 2824 being automatic. 40 millimeters, 10.15 high. Ooh. Very, very thin watch.
Andrew A 22 millimeter lug width though, that's odd.
Everett With a kind of a wide lug width, yeah.
Andrew Can you go back to the profile view of it?
Everett Yeah, I'm sure I can. I'm sure I can.
Andrew What is that engraved onto the side?
Everett Is that the serial number? It's a serial number. I think that you can choose to have an engraving on the side.
Andrew Okay, because I was going to say that, number one, that's the most slab-sided case I've ever seen. Right. Very slab-sided, yeah. There's absolutely no contour to it.
Everett Wow, and that's how these all are.
Andrew That's... It looks far slabbier than any of the other watches we've talked about. And the lugs are so short.
Everett You know, I actually don't think that it's any slabbier than the Laco... The Laco at Aachen or Augsburg.
Andrew Maybe it's just the way that photo's taken, the angle of it. It just... It looks like it's just a flat edge. And actually that could probably be a result of the 22 millimeter lug width. You're not going to get that same contour on the side, that kind of that sweep. That's right. Losing a millimeter on each side. Yeah. It's absolutely from the lug width.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. So I think these are really neat. You know, I think these are spec'd really well, which is what caught my eye. So 495 euros. So it's not a cheap watch. Five and a quarter? Probably something like that. And we could look it up, but we're not gonna. But in terms of, you know, you're getting it at a movement, you're getting tri-tech, super-luminova, heat-blued steel hands, in-house made hands, an in-house dial. Sapphire crystal, I mean... That's right, sapphire. I think that it's got 100 meters of water resistance too, yeah. 10 atmospheres of water resistance. So... I wonder why the... One of the... German made case. They say in-house made. I don't know if that means it's made in Germany or made by them somewhere else.
Andrew Made by Germans in China. I wonder why the engraving tool is a feature they decided to point on as opposed to laser engraving.
Everett Yeah, that's interesting. I noticed that too. They want you to know we're not lasering this. We're actually going to use the tool to engrave this. Maybe that's got something to do with the The quality of the engraving. The handmade worksmanship. Perhaps, yeah. You know, I think this is a really neat, um, I think this is a really neat possibility. Haven't seen them, don't know anything about them, but I think if you're looking, it's worth probably a look into.
Andrew A really interesting lug shape.
Everett Yeah, there's kind of the, the looks there.
Andrew Kind of looks like a claw tooth tub. If you were to take the dial out, you could take a bath in it.
Unknown So cool.
Andrew Yeah. And to be only 10 millimeters thick, that's, uh, it looks a lot thicker in the photographs of it. So next up, we've got a brand that we've talked about previously and is definitely one of the economy brands. It's Jack Mason and we've got the Aviator Automatic 42 millimeter, and this is coming in at $259. So we've got another 42 millimeter, um, kind of a hybrid dial, but that really good triangle crown that we're looking for in this fantastic sort of diamond.
Everett Yeah. Diamond crown.
Andrew Yeah. And so we've got a hundred meters of water resistance. Uh, I don't have the, so yeah, so it's a 42 millimeter, 22 millimeter lugs. Uh, I don't, what's the movement?
Everett 821 alpha.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. The 821s. So, all known quantities from an economy brand, definitely in the affordable area. If you're looking at getting a watch from a brand that everyone knows this brand, you know you're not going to get duds out of it. You're not going to get anything extraordinary out of it. At $260, you're going to get an attractive watch. And because it's kind of a hybrid dial, this kind of comes closer to me for the SNK. And so we should also mention that In our rules, we said that we couldn't use the SNK because it's just not a fit because we tried to make a few rules for ourselves.
Everett And we sort of, I think without saying it, we stipulated no Nighthawk either. Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew Because it's also not a good replacement.
Everett You know, I'll say this is what I'll say about this watch because I probably wouldn't buy this watch. Uh, this watch has, um, a little bit more style than the rest of the watches on this list, which is, is maybe, uh, maybe a bit of sin, right?
Andrew I think it's a takeaway from, from its value as a, as a replacement or a stand in for a big pilot.
Everett It's got some, it's got some polish on it in places where there's not supposed to be polished. The bevel on the bezel is polished. Uh, it's got some polish on the crown, which is fine. Um, But, you know, it's maybe not in form, true pilot watch form, but I like it. I think that this watch is pretty attractive.
Andrew Yeah. I think this is one of my favorite offerings that they have. And they've got that really, really cool designed case back. Yeah. Display back. Yeah. This is, I need to pick up one of their watches soon.
Everett Yeah. We haven't had, we've talked about a number of them. We've never had one in to be able to really say, you know, we like it or not. So the case back has four screws. It's not a screw-down case back, per se. It's a screw-in. A screw-in case back, which is, you know, as long as it works, right? It's fine. But, you know, I think most folks that are into watches prefer a screw-down case back. It's a decision, and it's made, and that's it.
Andrew I like, too, that I'm seeing more and more quick-release straps in watches?
Everett Yeah.
Andrew And OEM straps.
Everett Yeah. It seems to be the thing, the thing in the last couple of years.
Andrew Which, which says to me though, that they're not really that confident in the quality of their strap, that they're just like, ah, we know they're just going to dump it. Let's make it easy. Right. But you never know. I mean, maybe this one's going to, it's got a, got a two stitch brown leather strap on it.
Unknown Yeah. But look at that leather. That's a, that's a composite leather.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's leather paste. Leather paste. Yeah. Man, I mean, you don't buy this watch for the strap. No. You don't buy this for the strap.
Andrew I think you put this on an EA8 brown leather.
Everett Yeah, or something nice. You know what this would look good on is something with like brown or black leather and two like two rivets right at the top. Oh, God.
Andrew I think it would be money on like a black Bark and Jack too.
Everett I like the handset on this too. This has a Zen style handset that I really like. Yeah. Okay. Next up.
Andrew Oh, yeah. Next up, we've got the Glycine Combat Men's Watch. And this is this is kind of this again tends toward the SNK. And I think I cheated a little bit when I picked this watch because this isn't really a good stand in for the big pilot. But this is a watch that we a watch brand that we all know, a watch brand that we all like. And for three hundred and eighty money from the Ashford website, you can pick up this Glycine Combat Men's Watch. And it, again, like an SNK. It's got crown guards. It doesn't have a big crown, but it's a pilot-y field watch? Field-y pilot watch? I don't know. I just really like this watch.
Everett I think that this is more of a field watch. This is more of a WWW watch. And that's okay, right? Because it does the same thing. You've got the inner Mm-hmm. The inner 24-hour time. It's gonna do the same things. I don't think it's quite legible enough to really be a pilot watch.
Andrew No, I think you're right on it, and I knew this was kind of a stretch, but we got to have one that if the big pilot's watch isn't for you, this still kind of fits the need. It's a 41 millimeter case, 100 meters of water resistance, it's 13 millimeters thick, What's that a 20? Yeah, it's a 20 millimeter lug to lug or lug width on it. Just a good all around watch.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. This is a good I mean, this is a good sort of military watch. You know, it's got some similarities to a Hamilton khaki mechanical. Obviously, this is a self-winding movement, a self-winding movement on this, but it's it's doing cool things. It's got a it's got a an acrylic crystal on it, and it fits the bill.
Unknown It fits the bill.
Andrew What's the last one?
Everett What have we got coming up? So I said earlier that I thought the Lakowatchen or perhaps the Augsburg was tied, maybe tied for my favorite, and I've not bought a pilot watch, right? I've got my SNK, but that doesn't really count. But for years, I've been thinking, gosh, I just got to get a pilot watch. And it's one of two watches. It's either the Loco or this. That. This or that.
Unknown Yep.
Everett You can get with this. Or you can get with that. Uh, this is the T-Cell.
Unknown Mm-hmm.
Everett T-Cell. T-Cell? T-Cell? Taisel?
Andrew Taisel. Yeah, that's the one.
Everett Taisel is a Korean company. Taisal is out of the Republic of Korea, and they make phenomenal watches. Mostly reproductions, homages if you were. Their sub-homage, I think it's like 250 or 300 bucks, and it's always sold out, and everybody fucking loves them. They just, Taisal just makes very, very good watches. They use good movements. This comes with a Miyota 90S5 or 9015. Do you get to pick or do you get what you get? You get to pick. Okay. You get to pick. This comes with a beautiful blue type A dial or a type B dial or a black type A or type B dial. You get a ton of options and you can tell looking at this thing that the fit and finish is superior. Superior. I think that of the watches we've looked at today, this one, maybe besides the Dekla, because we don't know anything about the Dekla, but I think that this is going to be the best fit and finish. It's the best movement, or the second best movement after the Dekla, perhaps, with the 2824 on the Dekla and the 90S5 on this. Dude, it's just a killer freaking watch.
Andrew I really like the strap shape.
Everett Strap shape is good. Yeah, it's sort of that angled, that very steep step down, not tapered, but a step down strap. Killer movement. I think you only get 30 meters of water resistance, which is a little bit of a bummer. Definitely a bummer. But nine and a half millimeters thick. 49 millimeter lug to lug. Great. Great lugs on this. Great lugs on this. BGW-9, sapphire. Perfect crown. 50 meters of water resistance.
Andrew It's not great, but it'll do. It's better than 30, better than 10, better than none. Great crown. I see a couple of different crown options. You can choose different options.
Everett Look, dude. So here's the dropdown.
Andrew This is a build your own adventure kind of thing.
Everett With date diamond crown, with date hammer crown. No date diamond crown, no date hammer crown. Wow. So that's where the different movements come in. You get to choose your crown. They have both black. No date diamond? Let's find the black version of this because it's really attractive too.
Andrew I really like this blue. Like that really, really bright royal blue.
Everett The black is also very good. Heat blued hands.
Andrew With the really classic blue. Yeah.
Everett Same options here, you know, 209 bucks. You can get a type A, type B. You can get diamond or hammer, diamond or hammer.
Unknown Get in me.
Everett Bro. For what? And it's 200 bucks. Yeah. 200 money. 209 bucks. I think you probably have to pay shipping too, but whatever.
Andrew From Korea.
Everett From Korea. Sapphire.
Andrew Looks like just a slight dome on the crystal too.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Almost certainly. I like it.
Andrew I'm glad we saved the best for last.
Everett When I say it's between this and the Laco, you know, the Laco feels to me like it's a more established brand. It's got a little bit more history, but I'm sure this is a better watch for less money. Yeah. Half as much money, a better watch. I think you're right. It's just T-Cell and not... But the T-Cell is, the Teisel is sterile.
Andrew It's sterile. Which I like. I like an unbranded Yeah.
Everett So that's it. We've done it.
Andrew See you next week. And now you have your options for a poor man's big pilot. Yeah. The winner coming in from Teisel in the Republic of Korea. Got 200 money.
Everett I really like the Miyota 905S movement. Mm-hmm. Or 90S5 movement. It just looks good. It looks better than any of the other
Andrew I think it's the rotor shape. Yeah. It kind of looks like a fan.
Everett And you know, people don't like the noise of that, that movement. Um, cause it's noisy, right? It's a, it's a noisy and sometimes it'll get like, I don't know. I've noticed that, you know, my, my NH35 movements, um, or, or the ETA movements that I've had seem to turn fairly consistently, sort of the way you would expect them, you know, you rock them and they turn a couple of times and they're good. I feel like the Miota, the 9015s or the 9000 series Miotas, for whatever reason, every once in a while, just get like a wild hair up their ass. And it's like, I didn't even move. Like there's the movement and that did not equal one another. It just gets it. Right. So, uh, yeah, that's it. We're done talking about watches.
Andrew We're done. We've made it through another week. Do you have another thing? I do have another thing. I, so in the, in the.
Everett Did you see, did you see what just happened? My ear itched. And you scratched your headphone.
Andrew I went to scratch. I thought you were telling me to get closer to the microphone.
Everett I was trying to scratch my ear.
Andrew You missed. Uh, so in the light of the Corona virus outbreak, which if you haven't seen it, uh, Corona had a really, really clever tweet. Oh no.
Everett Poor Corona.
Andrew No, it was clever. Corona, the beer company, tweeted recently, again, you don't get the coronavirus by drinking our beer. Coronavirus symptoms include fever, runny nose, and coughing. Symptoms of drinking Corona include gagging, craving Taco Bell, and waking up next to someone you wish you wouldn't have. That's good. So in light of the coronavirus outbreak, I started watching the Netflix show, Pandemic. And it is fascinating. It's all these, uh, so, so the, the, the first episode was all about influenza and all these projects worldwide to kind of stymie influenza. And then they go into Ebola and all these other practices and emergency management for pandemic management around the world. And it was fascinating to see the, the behind the scenes of pandemic management and pandemic response. Not being a doctor, I think it was a touch alarmist, and I think you have to be a little alarmist to work in that field, where I don't fully grasp the concern of coronavirus. I understood the Ebola concern, because you get Ebola and you die, definitely. Coronavirus seems like just a really shitty flu. Right. And less people have died from that than The flu, I don't, I don't fully understand the connections and I, frankly, I don't care to, but it was definitely an interesting show. And if you're looking to, to break off of one of your like witcher binges and go into something that's a little bit thought provoking and, and perhaps enlightening pandemic is definitely worth a look.
Everett Check out, you know, I think the thing about most of these, um, most of these flu variants, you know, the, the, the scary, what was the one, you know, the swine flu, or... And the bird flu, and the turtle flu, and H1N1, and... Yeah, I think the deal with most of these flu variants is that they're not particularly deadly for... Normals? For normies, yeah. It's the, you know, they're like, these flus are like coyotes, right?
Andrew Yeah. Oh yeah, they get the sick and the old, right? Or the young.
Everett Or the young, that's right. Yeah, they get the weak. So, I mean, I think that's what's scary, right? You know, what happened to all of Eugene, Oregon's kids? Oh, they all died of coronavirus. I think that that's the concern. And, you know, the CDC, you know, in the States here, the Center for Disease Control, and probably something different if you're not here.
Andrew where you're from. Probably the Foundation for Disease Management, right? FDM.
Everett Yeah. You know, I think that these organizations are really, really good organizations to the extent that you don't mind the government being in power or something like that, but the response is to, you know, the olden days where, you know, one guy gets cholera and then the whole fucking town is dead or, or, you know, black plague or whatever. Ghost towns and shit. Right, right. our alarmists, our alarmism is founded in historical reality, and that's okay. So even if it feels like, wow, the risk of this is pretty low, that's a good thing, right? That means it's working.
Andrew It is working, but I think there's, I think like with a lot of things, like the Cascadia subduction zone, it's a pretty alarmist theory. I mean, what we're dealing with is institutionalized doomsday preppers. And I appreciate that they exist so that should it ever occur, we're prepared. But the outreach associated, especially with shows like this one, where if you were to watch it and internalize this, you'd never leave your house. And if you did, you'd be in a Tyvek suit and a respirator because you just realize that the world is a dangerous place and everything out there is trying to kill you. And we can just be thankful, you and I, that we don't live in Australia where Basically everything is trying to kill you and they don't need diseases also because just living there is hard enough because of spiders and snakes and large reptiles that eat things. And now fires. Yeah. Well, I mean the fires aside, that's, that's probably really helping with the spider and snake population.
Everett I shouldn't have joked about that. Sorry, Australia.
Andrew Yeah, no, it wasn't. That was a poor joke, but. Good riddance to all the spiders and snakes that were out there trying to kill you. Bummer for the koalas though. And the kangaroos and all the other fun stuff.
Everett Yeah, you know, I always tell my kids, right, when they see a spider, they're like, oh. I'm like, the spider is the only thing keeping the bugs out of your bed.
Andrew Yeah, but there's some motherfucking spiders out there that are like that you look at them for long enough and they'll kill you. We don't we don't need that shit.
Unknown Yeah, fair enough.
Andrew I don't need brown recluse in my fucking bed. Pass.
Everett There's no brown recluse in Oregon.
Andrew Yeah, there are. Are you stupid?
Everett We Browns here. Okay. So my other thing, this is kind of fun. You guys, this is kind of fun. Uh, it's not fun for you yet, but I'm hoping it'll be fun for you soon. So I picked up a thing, uh, called a Movo PR-1. A Movo PR-1 is a tripod mountable. I don't know. What would you call this? Like, a vlogging stick. It's like a selfie stick but better. It's like a high tech selfie stick. It doesn't have like a long extension but this is a bracket for your phone. It's got a screw down holder thing for your phone. So I picked up an iPhone 11 Pro Max this last week and the camera on this thing is fucking epic. Really good. Really good. And so I wanted to get a thing to hold that camera on a tripod and so I got it and then I also realized this thing has a cold shoe mount on top of it so I can put a microphone on top and I goofed around a little bit with this thing this week and I sent Andrew a video and I sent a couple other people that were close with a video just a test shot. So we 40 and 20 are hopefully soon going to be posting some videos on our new YouTube channel. So those of you that follow closely We'll see that we posted our last episode, the interview with Dan C, we posted that on YouTube, because a number of people have been asking for that, that we post our podcasts on YouTube. So we've posted our first podcast on YouTube. I think 45 people have listened to it.
Andrew 32 of them were us.
Everett So this is funny. We can see all our statistics and I thought, well, you know, you need to get like 4,000 hours of listening in 12 months to qualify for monetization on YouTube. And I thought, well, our episodes are so long. It's realistic we could get there. And shit, we've already got four listens. And then I pulled up the duration, so it tells you how much total time people have listened. 86 seconds. Well, I think it was, I think it was 0.9 hours, right? So 45 people.
Andrew Didn't even listen to a full episode.
Everett So, I mean, it could be the people who've listened to the episode already or that they kind of blasted through. You know, you too. I'm a blaster thrower on YouTube too. I try not to be, but I am. Yeah. You know, here's what I'll say about the YouTube. That is a thing that we added because people have asked for it. And so for a period of time, we are going to post our podcasts on YouTube because some people have said, that's how I prefer to listen to this.
Andrew Which is weird, y'all. If that's how you prefer to listen, that's, that's odd.
Everett To the extent we have show notes for any given episode, I'll put them in the YouTube description. To the extent we don't have show notes, I will not. Sorry. Put them in the YouTube description. Um, but yeah, we're going to try to, I'm going to try that for a time and see if that's popular. But with that said, we're also going to, I'm just going to do it. I'm going to record some video. I'm going to record some reviews, some watch reviews, and I'm going to put them on there. Now, here's what I'm going to ask of you. Go watch the video. Go watch the video. At least click on it. At least click on it. And please just like it for the love of God. 45 listens. We had four likes this afternoon. I'll check later. Just like it. If you're there and you say, oh, these are my homies, 40 and 20. I love these guys. They have a tiny little audience because we do. We have a tiny little audience. Every little bit helps, you know, uh, PewDiePie. He doesn't need you to thumbs up his video because he posts a video and within two seconds of it being up, it's got 4,000 hours of viewing and 4,000 likes, right? Uh, I need you, we need you to like that video. So go on there, get on there, like it. And the reason for that is not because we're going to get money from it or whatever. We're never going to make any money on YouTube, but it does help in our search results. It does help people find us. So get on there, just smash the like button, bro.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew Imagine when we said that, the little arrow pointed down to the like button zone, like in the other YouTube videos.
Everett Smash that like button. What's up, YouTube?
Andrew That's not going to be us. For the love of God, that will not be us.
Everett What's up? Was that Peter McKinnon? I don't know. That guy, Peter McKinnon, went like six months from 100 followers to a million. Have you ever watched his videos? I've watched a few. He's fantastic. Yeah. He's actually really good for a Canadian. Okay, anything else you got my friend Andrew?
Andrew I don't have anything else for today.
Everett All right, well I don't have anything else either. So, thank you folks for joining us for this week of 40 in 20. Check us out on Instagram at 40 in 20, on YouTube, I think it's just 40 in 20, or patreon.com slash 40 in 20. Again, patreon.com is where we get all our support for the show. That's how we afford hosting for the podcast. Until we get 4,000 hours on YouTube. until we get 4000 hours on YouTube. Don't forget to tune back in next Thursday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Bye bye.