Episode 62 - 3 Watches For $600 Part 3

Published on Wed, 01 Jan 2020 23:00:00 -0800

Synopsis

The podcast hosts Andrew and Everett discuss various affordable watch recommendations for building a 3-watch collection under $600. They talk through their personal picks, which include options like the Seiko Spirit chronograph, Orient Kamasu diver, Boulder Venture field watch, Goodspeed Sonoma chronograph, HK Ed 1963 pilot's watch, and a modded Vostok Amphibia diver. They analyze the pros and cons, specs, and value propositions of each watch.

For the "other things" segment, Andrew recommends the Netflix series "Manhunt: Unabomber" about the FBI's investigation into the Unabomber case. Everett discusses the HBO comedy series "Silicon Valley" which they have been bingeing and finding very entertaining.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. This is the 40 in 20 podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you? Killer, man. Yeah. I'm doing great. We just had a very strange, uh, short power outage.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. You know, I think just one too many things on.
Andrew Coffee pot, the roadcaster, the computer. Right. A massage chair, a keyboard, a couple cell phones, printer. Happy New Year. Happy New Year, indeed. Happy New Year.
Everett Yeah, this is going to be our first episode of the new year. Brief admission from us. This is not actually the new year.
Andrew Not for us. Not yet. This is the this is past Andrew and Everett speaking to you.
Everett We're right. Right. We're coming to you from December the 22nd.
Andrew Another year. Oh. Ooh, time travel.
Everett It's happening. Uh, yeah, no, I'm good. Uh, you know, we've had, uh, we've had sort of a weird time in the house, just, um, still don't have a kitchen back. Uh, trying to navigate around the house without a kitchen is.
Andrew Well, I'm trying to find coffee mugs and booze. That was the challenge this morning.
Everett Mission accomplished on both fronts.
Andrew Yeah, we have coffee mugs. We have coffee and we have wild turkey.
Everett Oh, speaking of coffee, keep keeping busy.
Andrew Oh, OK. So. I don't know how busy I need to keep him, but this morning, you know, we got here and we got on a I've been here for an hour.
Everett I know that's rare for us. We usually get get moving pretty fast.
Andrew Yeah, we usually get hammering. But this morning we were discussing our completely scientific and totally objective scoring metrics and trying to incorporate price into this so that we can create a more comprehensive rating and objective evaluation of a watch. But what we're running into, we've worked, I don't know, probably six or seven different equations to account for price. And what we were running into was that we found that basically if a score was 71 points or less and the price was 71 points, you were going to get, or yeah, the price was $71. You were going to get a inordinate bump in your score, but basically anything over the total amount of points available would unfairly advantage.
Everett Oh, I'll watch like a Timex easy reader.
Andrew Yep. And unfairly disadvantage say something like an Explorer. So we're still working on that, uh, on that equation and, and neither Everett or I are, um, math magicians by any means. Nope. But we're tinkerers.
Everett And we're capable mathematicians. You know, I think that I was, you know, for a period of time, an engineering major. Right. And you have been in the army sort of concerned with with logistics and the mathematical qualities of that. So we both have experience in that. But to your to your point, math magicians, we are not.
Andrew No, but we are tinkering, folks, because we recognize that that is a gap in our completely scientific and totally objective metrics for scoring watches and we're working on it.
Everett And shout out to Instagram user skunkworkswatches because he's the he's actually been the driving force of this idea uh just you know in our in our Facebook messaging or Facebook or Instagram Instagram brought to you by Facebook now yeah yeah I noticed that the other day when I was logging in I was like that's a weird thing um yeah so uh shout out to him He's sort of pinged us with this idea. We're refining and I think we're probably leaning towards some sort of... We're gonna do some programming. Yeah, some sort of advanced Saber metric Ken Palm type deal where we get raw data and plug it in and give you a score and then we can publish that algorithm too. That seems... It seems when I say those words, like a totally stupid thing.
Andrew Oh, it is a totally stupid thing. But we are serial hobbyists and dangerous tinkerers. And as a result, we're going to get on it.
Everett Yeah. And I think that the idea of having sort of a proprietary algorithm metric for for rating scores is stupid in the kind of way that I really like.
Andrew Yeah. When we talked about it for an hour this morning and it was if not for the fact that you have to leave today to catch a flight, well, we would still be still be plugging away on this. We might even be learning to write an algorithm at this point. So, um, anyway, now we're on to, onto other things in the new year. Not other things. Not other things.
Everett We're not onto other things yet. You're just trying to skip the whole fucking show, Andrew. You always do this.
Andrew I know. I got excited. We're trying to get onto different things and away from, uh, letting one hobby take control of another hobby.
Everett You know what? I did. I did not get an opportunity to ask you how you are. I'm good.
Andrew I'm very good. I'm not well rested, but I'm drinking coffee and wild turkey.
Everett So you look well rested. And I think that maybe that's a product of the Heather Gray sweater. Nobody in a Heather Gray sweater ever looks anything but comfortable and calm.
Andrew Yeah, that's my thing. That's also my jam. Calm, cool and collected.
Everett Even when you're not. Even, especially when I'm not. When you have got a baby at home screaming and a wife that's mad at you because you're devoting your time to this stupid fucking watch hobby and talking about algorithms for our advanced metric watch rating system while the baby is... I'm just ice cold laughing in his face while he cries.
Andrew Destroying your marriage. You're just... I do that. I laugh in his face while he cries and screams. Calm, cool, collected. Yep, just laugh in his face. Like, I don't believe you, man. You're a baby. Nothing can be that bad.
Everett That's right. Although, I don't know. I've thought about this before, probably more than I have any reason to. But the idea of needing to, like, scratch that itch on my knee and not being able to do it because I lack the dexterity.
Andrew I mean, every pain that a baby feels is probably the worst pain they've ever felt in their life.
Everett I mean, for a few days anyway.
Andrew Yeah. And that will be hard. But there's also there's some some science to support that babies need to cry to support oxygen movement to their central nervous system. So once you kind of get on board and accept the fact that there are going to be times when that little asshole just cries, you just kind of, it just kind of becomes funny.
Everett It is funny. Yeah, it is funny. It is funny. And I think a joyful approach to babies crying is probably healthier for everybody in the long, in the long run. I just heckle him while he does it. And if you feel frustrated, Andrew, set the baby down and walk away. Don't shake that baby, Andrew. Yeah, that's the thing. Don't shake that baby.
Andrew When our first was born, we actually both had to sign, not me and the baby, but me and my wife, both had to sign a contract with the hospital that we would not shake him. And they asked us to put it on our fridge.
Everett And I'm going to instruct you as your attorney to not say anything else about your adhesion to that contract. Yeah.
Andrew I don't know if, I don't know if like, I wonder the effectiveness of that contract.
Everett None. No, legal effect is none.
Andrew No, I mean like legal effect because obviously that's a non-binding contract. It's a non-binding contract, yes. But I'm wondering the efficiency and effectiveness of people getting at home and like wanting to shake a baby and happen to be standing in front of their fridge and like, nope, nope, I signed a contract to not shake this baby.
Everett You know, I bet it's astronomical. I bet just having that conversation, having that conversation and making that pledge is some crazy order of magnitude, uh, higher, you know, just being thoughtful that this is a thing that happens to people, uh, meaning, meaning the frustration, uh, and it happens to good people and bad people. And we're going to have a conversation with you about the fact that this is going to happen. The feeling is going to happen to you. And we're going to ask you to pledge to handle that this way. I bet that the effect that has is tremendous. You know, I don't know how many people shake their baby, let's say it's two out of 10, I would bet that it halves that number. That would be my guess, just without any sort of data to back that up or whatever, just knowing what I know about human nature, because that's what I do. I operate in human nature, and you do as well, right? Operating in that human nature psychology, most of my job Most of my job is setting up expectations for my client, which I start doing the second they walk in the door. I start setting up expectations for my client. The second they walk in the door, you know, it's funny. I see in bad lawyer movies or dramas, oftentimes these lawyers will say things. Uh, in fact, my, my other thing has a, has a great, some great lawyer scenes. Uh, but we'll get to that later. But, uh, watching Silicon Valley, uh, there's these sort of, um, They're not, they're not, uh, uh, bad lawyers, but they're sort of caricaturized lawyers. Um, but you get these, these lines that the lawyers say, and some of those lines are actually from my playbook. You know, if we wind up going to the mats on this thing, you're not going to like me at the end of this thing because you're going to have paid me a whole bunch of money and I'm going to have fought you at crucial points. and there's going to be conflict within us. But just remember, as we sit here today, my only goal is to make this as efficient as possible for you, to achieve as much of your goals as possible and as an efficient manner. And those two balance off each other. But so I watch these lawyer lines and they say, you know, you're going to hate me at the end of this, you know, which is this characterized thing lawyers might say. That's effective, right? That's effective to set people up
Andrew So expectation management is a huge part of human nature.
Everett You know, another one of my lines is, um, at some point you're going to want to dig your heels in and you're going to want to dig your heels in, in a way that's going to cost you money. And you're going to justify it to yourself by saying, I would rather that person, I would rather pay for you, Everett, to do some work than to give that person a dime. And I'm going to caution you against that approach. I'm more expensive than they are. I usually am. I usually am. Not in every circumstance. In fact, some of these land deals I use, I'm significantly less expensive than they are. However, that is a powerful line to give to people. And usually what I say, and I tell my wife this often, but I say, my wife loves Mexico. So however you want to go, we'll go that way. But you need to know that that approach gets me to Mexico and loses you money. I like that. You know, so there's this expectation management piece of what I do. I do the same thing, obviously in significantly different ways, with opposing counsel and opposing parties. You know, the letters I write and whatever. I'm doing the same thing. I'm using words. I think that the hospital is doing that thing, and I suspect that it's very effective.
Andrew I mean, I haven't shaken either of my kids, nor have I really ever had the urge to, but... Because of that contract. Almost certainly.
Everett So we're talking about watches? We could get there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're talking about watches. We're going to do six watches today. Six watches. We're going to revisit one of our most popular episodes of all time today. And I, I went back and looked and I think it was episode, it had to be like two or three.
Andrew Yeah. It had to be early, early. And then we did a rehash, I don't know, six months ago.
Everett Yeah. You know, we've only done this episode one time. Three for six. Three for six. Or no, maybe we've done it twice now. We've done it twice now. This is, this is part tri. This has been, over time, one of our most popular episodes or series of episodes. And I think that the reason for that is it's such a practical idea, right? It fits into our wheelhouse. It fits into most of our listeners' wheelhouse. But if I have 600 bucks today and an hour to spend it, what three watches am I going to get?
Andrew Sarb and two F91Ws.
Everett That's actually, you know, it's realistic.
Andrew But I think what we're hitting on here is that we're talking to the people who are looking to buy affordable watches. We're talking to new listeners, or maybe people who are new to the watch world, who are saying, OK, I've got some money that I'm willing to spend on some watches. What do you want to buy? Because everyone's got these ideas. The first answer you're going to get from watch people, get an SNK, get an SKX, maybe look at a Mako, get an F91. You're going to get a handful of watches. And what we're trying to do here is expand the horizons to the newly discerning watch purchaser and to maybe ourselves. I think both times we've done this before, I found a watch that I was either marginally or not familiar with. Today I went a little bit different route with it. And I think you actually, when we were texting about it, we swapped places. A little bit, yeah. On how we do this, which was a little bit weird. But we're doing this for to expand the horizons, to talk about some watches that maybe we are or are not familiar with, to expose some of the value that we can find in affordable watches and to round out what we both believe to be a pretty reasonable starting place for having watches that you can wear in every day. You don't have to wear the same watch every day, but you've got a watch for every day of the week for every activity that you're going to undertake.
Everett Yeah. Yeah, and so we're going to use scores that we've already calculated. We're going to give you some scores today, average scores. These are 40 and 20 scoring provisions, 1.0, which will be later revised. And we'll probably do a series or at least a show on that when the time comes, just to explain what that metric is. But for now... We probably should. Yeah. These are going to be the old school metrics, still our current metric for scoring watches But yeah, should we get into it? Shall we? We shall.
Andrew At 14 minutes? I would like to comment though that we are both wearing SNKs today.
Everett We are both wearing SNKs, so I am still wearing my Traveling Watch Project SNK. Your Traveling Watch Project SNK.
Andrew Well... I mean, I haven't got it. Okay.
Everett Do you want to wear it for the show? No, it's okay. I've got mine. It's traveling. The Traveling Watch is traveling today.
Andrew I've been considering doing a mod on mine because I have it. It's a watch that I wear occasionally, but I think with a mod, I'd maybe wear it more, but I have it on that tan suede from CheapestNados. Yep. And it's, it's good.
Everett You know, Eric from EAA hates the fact that we wear these CheapestNados suede straps. I don't blame him. They're like 12 bucks. I can't, I cannot describe how good a value that is. You handed that to me and that, that strap just has a great texture to it. Obviously quality. You're not getting, you're not getting fine leathers. Oh no. You're not getting fine stitching.
Andrew Oh no, you're getting really synthetic. stitching. But it totally does the trick. It absolutely does the trick. It looks right. What I have noticed is that the seam around the spring bars, because it's one of the quick-release spring bars, the seam is starting to crack and tear, and I don't know if it'll survive the transition off of this watch and onto another one. It might be its... Drive it like you stole it from me. Yeah, it might be its last watch.
Everett Yeah, we're both wearing an SNK. You know, SNK, golly.
Andrew What a great watch. They're like 78 bucks on Amazon right now.
Everett You know, much like Much like talk of the economy's demise, the SNK's pricing demise has proven at this point to be largely overblown. Yeah. Apparently Seiko made enough SNK's and SKX to continue to fund demand many, many, many months beyond actually having stopping production.
Andrew I mean, I paid, I paid more for my SNK than it, than you would buy a brand new today. I think I paid, I paid a hundred bucks for it.
Everett And I love the fact that you can readily get these things on bracelets now, too. So, yeah, without further ado, let's get into the list. We'll talk just a little bit about parameters. Remind folks this the pricing is based. So three watches for under six hundred dollars. We have to be able to buy them today. We don't factor in shipping. So so the list price, the price you see in the window is the price they have to be available to purchase immediately. No used watches, no speculative prices. It's got to be something that you could buy today for that amount of money, which means for you that these prices may change and you may have to become creative and look for other options that do similar things. But the idea was to give each of us a fairly well-rounded three-watch collection for under $600. Justifications forthcoming, no SKX, no SNK. Well, I kind of picked the Mako.
Andrew Yeah, you cheated a little bit and as did I. Cause I can't guarantee you that you can buy the good speed Sonoma. Oops. Oops. So, oh, okay.
Everett So a little bit, a little bit, uh, and spoiler alerts without further ado. This is a watch that came to me from Instagram user middle six feet. Uh, not directly, but sort of in an indirect manner. Uh, he sent me a link to a website called Sakura watches.com. This is a Japanese website. Uh, does that make these all JDM? You know, I think most of these watches are JDM watches. You know, I've realized I don't have my glasses. It'll be fine.
Andrew Does that make a watch cooler if it's JDM?
Everett We talked about that, didn't we? We did talk about that. I don't think it does, although there's maybe an element of exclusivity. I think it makes it annoying.
Andrew Being JDM? That you have to buy it from a Japanese website. Oh, well. And it can take a month for shipping. It doesn't bother me.
Everett I think it makes it annoying. So this website is a website that has enough sort of positive use and reviews that we're confident in telling you guys go there and buy watches, which is not to give it any actual teeth or any promises about its reliability. Just we feel confident enough that enough people have successfully used this website to say, yeah, this is a place I would buy a watch from. I personally, Everett Meadows, would buy a watch from. And I suspect Andrew feels the same way. Yeah, I would buy a watch here. Buyer beware. You have to make your own decisions. However, we're not going to pull up a watch from a website that we think is total junk. So Metal Six Feet sent me this and said, hey, these are JDM Seiko watches, great prices. I checked it out. I feel confident moving forward. But immediately upon pulling the link up, I found a watch that I'd never seen before. And I was like, holy shit. This thing's fucking epic. So $91, the Seiko Spirit Limited Model SBT-Q043. One more time, SBT-Q043. We'll try to get that in the show notes. We've been a little bit lax about that. And when I say we, I mean me. I might try to assign show notes to Andrew at some point. We'll see how that goes. Show notes won't get done. But this is a, I would say, a sort of classically styled sport driver chronograph. Has elements of Omega, has elements of Hoyer. yep 60s 70s um chronograph elements it's not uh it's not terribly dynamic nor is it vintage inspired it just has those design elements that's right that's right uh but but with that said it's got nothing modern to it nothing about this watch looks modern um perhaps the dial in some ways uh it is a little is a little bit modern It's got what I would call, not syringe hands, but just sort of stick type markers. There's probably a name for these hands that I'm just blanking on. And it's actually just fairly unremarkable.
Andrew I really, really do like the integrated tachymeter bezel in that it is integrated into the case. And then however they're etching that in there, I don't know what their practice would be for that.
Everett It just looks engraved and painted.
Andrew It's just an integrated tachymeter bezel.
Everett I like that. Well, I don't know that it's integrated. I mean, I think it sits on top of the watch.
Andrew It doesn't look like it.
Everett Yeah, I think it does. It's just a standard sort of... It's like the SSB, but it's steel. I think it's just a standard bezel. It even looks to me like it's possibly an insert. But it's obviously not going to be a moving insert to any extent. a look But size 38.5 millimeters. Andrew, 38.5 millimeters.
Andrew Jackpot. That is the, I think it'll almost look strange with a, on a small racing chronograph like that. When I, when I see a racing chronograph like this, I expect to see 40 to 42 millimeters, but at 38, I feel like that would almost look odd. I would love to see it in the metal. I'd love to wear it because that's a perfect size. Yeah, I think I'm going to buy one of these. It's money. It's going to be like wearing the HK63, that 38 millimeter, but you're going to get all the size. I think this is going to be a killer wear on the wrist.
Everett So the reason this watch gets the, you know, so 38.5, that's sort of in our wheelhouse. The reason I really, really, really like this watch is it's got a hundred meters of water resistance.
Andrew Which you'd expect out of a Seiko chronograph. Yeah. And that's something that I love about most of Seiko's releases is that their water resistance is appropriate for the style of watch that you're wearing.
Everett This thing comes in six colorways. It comes in a all of them with stainless bezels. So the bezels on these are all stainless or silver, I should say, because I suspect they're aluminum. But six colorways. It's got a blue dial. It's got sort of a champagne with gold accents. Not a big fan of that one. It's got. I like it. It's got a burgundy dial. Uh, it's got black with gold accents, which I'm pretty sure is the one I'm going to buy.
Andrew I like that one.
Everett It's got a black dial, black and white sort of classic Speedmaster, and then more of a white, although I suspect this is maybe champagne-ish, um, ink color, you know, sort of off-white cream, uh, which, which is totally fine. And I, and I think that if, if that's sort of your, uh, if that's your jam, you're gonna find a color of this you like. 91 bucks. It's quartz, it's standard quartz, not mecha quartz. Killer, man. It says it's got glowing hands and glowing markers also. You kind of expect that. Movement on this 1792. We collectively rated this thing a 54 on our scale when my average R2 score is I had a 55, you had a 53 or vice versa. You had a 55, I had a 53, which is an incredibly high score. Incredibly high. I mean, that's up there with, you know, probably 80th percentile of our, of our high scores. Uh, you've got to get into pretty special watches to get higher than that. So, uh, yeah, fantastic watch. That's number one and 91 bucks. Come on. And at 91 bucks, I think that you can get this, not worry about it, be able to wear the shit out of it comes on a bracelet. Uh, it's got standard lugs, non-integrated lugs, which are 20 millimeters. Um, yeah, yes. Yes. You know, I say 20, I believe they're 20. They may be 18. Uh, I don't see it anywhere here listed, but they look to me like 20 millimeter lugs. So some risks that you get a funky size and, and it's, I can find this on Rakuten and I can find it here at Sakura. So the, no reviews of this thing from what I can tell.
Andrew So who knows? That kind of makes sense for a $90 watch who's, who's doing reviews on $90 watches besides us.
Everett Yeah. So I'm at two watches, or one watch right now, 91 bucks. I'm going to go into my second watch, and this is the watch that I think is... This is your cornerstone, your foundational watch? Yeah, I don't know. I actually, you know, we've talked about this methodology too, right? Do you pick a single cornerstone that you really love and then go sort of cheaper, or do you sort of come in with three evenly keeled watches I think I went with a little bit of a hybrid this time. I have two watches here that I think are pretty neat. And one watch that I think is a little bit less neat. So the Seiko, the first watch, is my little bit less neat watch, but it's going to provide versatility in the way of functionality. So 1790 chronograph movement. However, it's probably of the three, the one I would love the least.
Andrew But it's getting you a chronograph in the collection. It's getting you a banger in the collection, which is something that is essential for somebody to be able to go anywhere, do anything.
Everett That's right. And so this my collection is going to wind up being a little bit less diverse in terms of sportiness versus dressiness. So so the dive watch I've picked because you got I say you almost have to have a dive watch. This is a Mako three, quote unquote, Mako three automatic watch. And I say, quote unquote, because the Mako three is. The Kamasu. So Jomashop has been calling these the Mako three. But this is the same watch that we know as the Komasu. What that means for you, that means you're getting a diver with Orient's sort of new, upgraded base model automatic movement, which is a fantastic hacking, hand-winding movement. In that way, it's going to get a fairly good movement score. 42 millimeter case, 13 millimeter thickness, 22 millimeter lugs. It's sort of diverse staple sizes. 200 meters. Sapphire.
Andrew Yep. That's the big upgrade from the Mako 2 into the Kama Su slash Mako 3 is going to Sapphire and upgrading that movement.
Everett You know, the this new iteration of the Orient dial, which we've talked about on the show, but we really like. It's got non-derivative font on the bezel, which I love. The bezels sort of love it or hate it with the Mako Ray line. It's got those indentations, which means that you can't get a, you know, bezel inserts are tough to come by.
Andrew They did just release, I forget who, you sent it to me recently. Somebody's doing inserts for the Orient. But one thing I like about this bezel change is that the indentations aren't so polished. It doesn't look like a jewel-encrusted bezel anymore.
Everett You know, my guess is it's exactly the same. That's my guess.
Andrew It looks a little bit different. Even in photographs, if you look at pictures of the Mako Rei lineup, it looks a lot more polished than this. And it could just be photography without seeing one in person. I don't know. My assumption is that these are a little bit more subdued.
Everett So hollow end links on this guy, which is fine because this guy is coming in at $209. I picked the green. I've picked the green version. Now, not everybody's going to love this. Green was the one of these that I could fit into the budget. But $209 for this watch is an incredible bargain on a bracelet. That standard oyster style bracelet that you're going to know and love. The versatility of this watch. This is sort of my versatile piece. This is a piece that I can wear to work, that I can wear on the weekend with a t-shirt. This is sort of chief versatility in my collection. I don't have a dress watch in my collection. I think that between this and that 38.5 millimeter chronograph, I'm gonna have to make do in this collection because my next watch is certainly not a dress watch. But at $209 plus the 91, I am right at I am, I am right at $300, which leaves me just enough room for my third watch, my third watch. And this is a watch that I've wanted to talk about on the show for a couple of weeks because I recently learned of it. This is a watch that we've talked about in a previous iteration on the show, but this is the Boulder Venture. A few months ago, Boulder had reintroduced their Venture watch. And I think what they did, I think what Boulder has done is taken the Boulder Venture, which uh was a very very good watch a very good watch and they fixed everything about it that i didn't like yep they fixed everything about it i didn't like so um you know the boulder venture is a watch that's sort of been making the rounds it's this a very affordable titanium field watch but this thing had ridiculously long lugs stupid long it had a funny case, a case that I didn't love. It was sort of, I think it leaned a little bit too much towards authentic and innovative design, which shouldn't be a bad thing. But I think in the case of the Venture, they pushed it just a step too far to be a truly versatile watch.
Andrew Yeah, they took it into the category of novel.
Everett And so I think what they've done with this is they pulled it back. They've pulled it back a little bit. They've pulled it back a little bit. They've made it a little bit more standard, but still maintaining some edgy, angular design focus. Still a titanium case. Still 38 millimeters. It's got a semi-hooded lug now. A semi-hooded lug. 200 meters of water resistance. A fantastic, a fantastic printed matte dial. What about that crown? Excellent crown. And that was one of the things that you and I both really liked about the original Boulder Venture was the crown. It just felt good. It felt good in your hand. It turned really well. It looks good. So this is going to round out my collection at $299, which is a chunk of change. But what you're getting for that is 200 meters of water resistance. Titanium case. A titanium case. You're getting an NH35. same movement that is known and loved the world over, hacking, hand-winding, base model Seiko movement. You're getting a 20mm lug that's going to work with all your favorite straps. You're getting a 42mm lug-to-lug. So 38mm on the case diameter, 42mm lug-to-lug. Literally any human being in the world is going to be able to wear this watch.
Andrew Yep. And with those semi hooded lugs, it's not going to stretch the way that that previous one did. Cause I imagine the lug to lug on the original iteration was probably 45, uh, maybe a little bit less, but with the length of those lugs and the placement of the spring bar depression, you just, you couldn't do anything with it. They were too long. It had weird gaps. Uh, even, even with the benefits of it being titanium and how well designed and how good looking this watch it just it wasn't a jackpot winner and I they and they clearly didn't listen to us to correct these issues but they have corrected all those issues I love this case shape I think this field watch looks terrific with the semi hooded lugs I I love field watches with hooded lugs I know that isn't necessarily the most traditional but I think it it plays so well into wearing it on nylon because a watch like this is only going to go on Maybe a leather pass-through, but this is designed to be worn with a nylon pass-through strap.
Everett You know, I think I really like this watch on suede. I haven't seen it on suede, obviously, but I think that this watch would slay on suede.
Andrew It would look killer, but everything else about this watch, I just feel like it screams nylon. And the nice thing about this is one of the things that I almost didn't like about that first iteration, wearing it, was how light it was. It feels like you're not wearing a watch at all. It's like wearing an F91. There's no weight, nothing. You can absolutely forget that you have this watch on. And that's still going to be the case with this one. Yeah, but you know what? I'm still kind of on the fence about it, but it's a super comfortable watch. If you're concerned about feeling like you have a bulky watch on, concerns beware. This, I think, is a really terrific collection for go anywhere, do anything. You've got the dive, you've got the beaters, you've got a semi-dress decision to make between your spirit and the Kama Su, um, enough that you could, you could put a suit on and not feel out of place. Uh, that's a killer lineup.
Everett You know, when I think about, when I think about the classic sort of military watch, um, you know, whether that be a dirty dozen or, uh, an a 17 or, uh, whatever, I think that this is maybe, uh, a very good option for a modern interpretation of that. Having to do with the size and the versatility of this thing, I think that this is a very, very, very good modern, totally modern, because it's not at all derivative or retro. There's nothing retro about this watch.
Andrew No, this is cutting edge modern design.
Everett But it still does all the things those watches do. It's got a big 12-hour numerals. It's got 24 hours on an inner track. It's going to be low, extremely low reflection. The lume on this thing, I assume, is going to be just totally killer. And I don't see here that it's got BGW-9, but that's what I... It's not the W-9 because it's green, but it's going to be some sort of super luminova is my assumption.
Andrew It says Japanese super lume. Super lume. Okay, well... Who knows? Or Japan, Super Lume.
Everett Yeah, no, I think that this is great. This is going to be a totally hug your wrist. Yep. Easy to wear, fit under, fit under ACUs. Phenomenal field watch.
Andrew Super light, wear it swimming. You got 200 meters of water resistance. This is going to be a really good beach day watch, a snorkel watch. This is a killer.
Everett This is what a field watch should be.
Andrew Yep, 100%.
Everett So at $299, that brings me to $599, which I think is as close as either one of us has ever come to the overall price.
Andrew I think my last one was like $597.
Everett We've both been very close. And you know what? I was not as close this morning because that Seiko Spirit from Japan was coming in at $90 yesterday, and it went up to $91 today. Get it while it's hot. Buck a day.
Andrew Gosh, you can't wait much longer.
Everett So five hundred ninety nine. So talk real quick. You know, we talked about the Orient, you know, generally speaking, where the Orient comes in. That thing came in today right around fifty four averaging our scores. So we've got a we've got that spirit coming in at fifty four. We've got the Orient Kamasu coming in at fifty four. And then the fifty the Boulder Venture, fifty six and a half. which is up there with some of the best watches we've ever scored in this system.
Andrew And to compare it, the Speedy gets a 57.
Everett Yeah, and the Saab gets a 59, and I think Saab is sort of our benchmark at this point for best watches of all time.
Andrew Yeah, in the way of value and in the way of everything about it.
Everett With regards to our specific scoring platforms, as it sits right now, the Saab is our best scorer, and we're just inches away from that. Yeah, for $600, that Seiko Spirit SBTQ, the Orient Kamasu, and we'll link to the Sakura website if you want to buy one of these. We'll link to that Sakura website. The Orient Kamasu for $299, or $209 at Jomashop, and the Boulder Venture for $299. That's my three watch collection. I think it's a good one. I'm very happy with it.
Andrew I concur. I went a little bit different direction with, with my three watch collection.
Everett Well, let's get into yours.
Andrew Let's do it. So I got first up a watch that we've talked about and a watch that, like I said, a little bit of a spoiler earlier, I didn't check to see if this Kickstarter was still available or, or whether or not these were where they were in production to be able to purchase. I know you're going to be able to get them. I don't know if you can buy it today. That being said, First up, we've got the Goodspeed Sonoma.
Everett Goodspeed Sonoma. And which version of this?
Andrew So the version that I liked the best is the black with the Pepsi bezel.
Everett So is that the PVD case?
Andrew The PVD with a Pepsi bezel. It's money. And I think one of the things that I liked the most about it was when we asked, so what's up with the GMT bezel on a chronograph? That's what I like. Yeah. Okay, man. I have no argument with that. And this comes in the four color ways. You've got stainless with a black bezel. You've got stainless with a Pepsi. You've got black PVD with a black bezel and PVD with a Pepsi bezel. They all look good. Yep. There is one of these for everyone. And what I liked the most about this Kickstarter campaign, there really was a watch for everyone. Yep. You've got a quartz movement option and you've got a mechanical option. And for that reason, it got a little bit higher score from me in the way of movement. Got one point more in the way of movement because you have that option. You have the versatility between buying a quartz or buying a ST-1901. The quartz is, ooh, shoot, I don't remember off the top of my head. It's a Seiko quartz. So you've got two very good options for movement and you've got choices. That's something that I really like. And you get to pick. you don't just get whichever one they've got on top of the pile. When you buy that watch, you're going to get this watch or this watch.
Everett But anyway, you've got the... So the trim level B is a Miota 6S21, which is Miota's sort of run-of-the-mill chronograph movement. Before you... let's talk about this watch some more, because it's a fantastic watch.
Andrew Yeah, I'm not ready to move on.
Everett We're still talking about this watch, because there's also... But wait, I want to give a quick shout out to Jeremy Burlingame from Goodspeed Watches, because we talked about Goodspeed in our best watches of 2019 roundup. And it seems that there's this feeling in my heart that all of the good, all of our favorite watch people, sort of watch industry people are named Eric.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Cause there's a ton of them. There's a ton of Eric's out there, whether that's a EMG or EA8, you know, we just have all these Eric's. And so Goodspeed feels to me like it's one of the Eric's. And so when we were referring to Goodspeed, I said, Oh yeah, we had Eric on the show. Oh, you did, and I didn't even catch that. His name is Jeremy Burlingame, you guys. Yeah. And so, Jeremy, I've already talked to you about this, but sorry about that. We know who you are. You've been on our show. We've talked to you. And we really like you. Yeah. It just felt like such a dick thing. In fact, Eric from EMG reached out to me and was like, I think you guys screwed this up. And I was like, yeah, yeah, we did. Probably. We do that a lot. That's something I never think. You know, I want to say, and then I'll turn this mic back over to you.
Andrew We're not sharing a microphone, just so you guys are clear.
Everett Wouldn't that be funny if we did? If we just had it like on a Lazy Susan? Yeah. Jeremy, not Eric, but maybe Eric, Jeremy has reintroduced this in, not reintroduced, but come out with another all gold version of this. A gold PVD version of this.
Andrew With not, like, faux-tinaed lume, too.
Everett Yeah, with the white lume. White lume. So gold sub-dials, white lume. gold markers, all gold, uh, PVD on the case and the, and the beads of rice bracelet. And, and I don't know when this thing's going to be coming out. Uh, but I think it'll be sometime early 2020.
Andrew Hopefully it's also available in the courts. $175 version.
Everett I think it is. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, uh, let's see. Uh, that's baller, uh, in gold PVD, the quantities will be severely limited to being made initially. Uh, Oh,
Andrew no quartz version so just the st 1901 on this guy so um well then you can't get this one in my collection yes sorry y'all but still what 275 for the is i think 375 for the uh st 1901s 175 for the quartz version you've got the beads of rice option you've got that leather strap option i really really dug the leather strap the buckle was a little bit a little bit stiff right at the at the clasp initially, I think some some wear in time would flatten that out, which is where the where the buckle buckles. Yeah, I don't know how to better just you better say that.
Everett But yeah, no, you know, at this price range, we've we've seen very sort of bad leather straps. And then more commonly, I think, with boutique or microbrand makers, we see, you know, really reasonable leather straps. Uh, not anything that's going to knock your socks off. Certainly not as something as good as an EA8 leather strap, uh, just in terms of the care and the attention to detail in the construction. However, these are firmly in that better than bad camp. Is that right?
Andrew Oh yeah. They're good. They're good. They're good. There's nothing to complain about. Nothing to write home about. Perfect shoes for your watch. And if you want to really, really punch this watch up, an EA8 leather rally strap was just, uh, That's going to take it to the next level or even that beads of rice. You can upgrade to the beads of rice on that because I think this would be also killer on a bracelet. I was hoping he would send us both, but you know, whatever we get. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. You know, these guys have so many, only so many press models and we get what we get and we're very thankful to him for doing that.
Andrew And we loved it. I, I wouldn't, I, if yeah, I'd like to keep it. So at 175 bucks, this is $175. This scored at a, uh, I gave it a 50, you gave it a 48. So right at 49. Yep. So a 49 average. And this is scoring right up there with, with some of the greats that we've scored. And this is the sportiest watch that I'm going to include in this, in this rewatch collection and super affordable at 175 bucks. Yeah. Fantastic. Yeah. And we got, so, so let's move on. Okay. Let's, let's move on to our, to, to the next up. And this is my next one. Next up Jay-Z. Yeah, okay. Okay. Who's that? Next up, we've got what I used for the dress option in my collection.
Everett Did you give me shit about calling this a dress watch recently?
Andrew No, no, it's a dress option. Okay. This is not a dress watch. It's close. It's very close. Very close. We've got the HK ED 1963. In any color way you can want. Any color you want. Well, not right now. Right now we've got the cream and blue, the very traditional Chinese Air Force looking colorway. We've got the cream and black, the panda or the reverse panda. We've got the panda. We've got the sunburst blue and cream, which I really, really like the cream and gold, the blue and blue, the green and green and the green and green. So really the only thing you can't get the black on black on black.
Everett I still want him to do this. I still want him to do this with that beautiful emerald green sunburst with gold markers. That'd be dope. I've talked to Eddie about this in the past. HK, Ed, Eddie say, are you ever going to do that? And he says, no plans to do that currently, which to me means there's a chance. So what you're saying is there's a chance?
Andrew That's what I'm gathering. But I also bet you could probably reach out to him and Get those dials. They exist.
Everett You know, maybe. Maybe. Or you just do a mod. You're talking about changing the markers. These are applied markers. I mean, you're talking about getting the green with the silver markers and getting, say, the cream with the gold markers and swapping out, like, not just swapping the hands, because, right, that would do part of it, but actually removing the markers from the dial.
Andrew You have magnifying glass. You have fingers. You have tweezers.
Everett You've got an exacto knife. Eddie, is there any chance we could get this? We could get you to do this where I don't have to remove markers from it.
Andrew I think I think you could do it. So we all know and love the H.K. Edd 1963. It's the S.T. 1901 movement. It is a super traditional. Handwine mechanical. Handwine mechanical. Pilots chronograph born of the Chinese Air Force. These are
Everett Beautiful watches. 38 millimeters.
Andrew Yep. 38 millimeters. Great lug to lug. Full polish. Great polish. This is the kind of watch that you can wear in lieu of a dress watch. This is also on nylon and a very appropriate jeans and a t-shirt watch. Yep. It has everything you want out of a versatile watch besides some size and water resistance is really the, it's really the bummer here. And there's also some, some potential issues with the 1901 serviceability. some We're looking at an average 45 to 47, so a 46-ish.
Everett And the reason the HK had struggles... Loom and water resistance.
Andrew Yes, no loom, no water resistance. Everything else is terrific. If this got even 50 meters of water resistance, you're looking at a north of 50 score, a little bit of loom, you're looking in the low to mid 50s for this. But for the purpose of a sort of dress watch, for a dressy option, This is killer. And, and I think a chronograph is important to a collection. I think a dress watch is important to a collection. And now we've got two chronographs, but one that can serve as a, as a dress function. Cause you're just not going to be able to, even with the gold, especially with the gold, I think good speed, you're not going to be able to make that a dress watch, but that's going to be a terrific sport watch. I don't remember the water resistance on it is a hundred meters, a hundred meters. That's all you're going to need. I'd like more, but that's all you're going to need.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, uh, in defense of in defense of the dress watch and you know I think what we would expect to see is a drop off on a true dress watch we'd expect to see that not do is perform as well in our score so by the nature of our scores it has to I don't we haven't rated a ton of dress watches in this category but I think again not a dress watch but to the extent that we're gonna we're gonna use this as a dress watch placeholder I think that it's as good as anything else, right? The SARB is something different. The SARB is not a dress watch. The SARB is a sport watch. This has got elements of a more pure dress watch. It's smaller than the SARB. It wears smaller than the SARB. The one thing I don't like about this watch, and this is a design aesthetic, it's got these very long lugs. I love that. That the Boulder Venture suffered from.
Andrew Sweeping long, elegant lugs for a dressy. not a dress watch, but a dressy watch. Yeah, they're defensible, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah, absolutely. In this in this context, they're defensible because they're they're by design to be very elegant lines and they perform terrific. It's great on leather. It's great on nylon. This is a winner.
Everett Versatile ish watch. So I'm getting this coming in at 260. Do you have a different price? No, I got 260 on it. OK, so so two hundred and sixty dollars. With your $175, we're up to what, $415? Mm-hmm. So that leaves you some room. A little bit of room. That leaves you some room.
Andrew A little bit of room. I actually came in pretty under today. I came in at about $550 money.
Everett Wow. You're leaving money on the table for a strap or something, right?
Andrew Yeah, exactly. Because you're going to need one for this watch. You're going to need one for this watch. Last up, we've got the AM Diver mod of the Boktok Amphibia. And this is the Vostok Amphibia that we all are familiar with. Some of us love it. Some of us hate it. But I wanted a true dive watch in this collection because I think a dive watch is really important. And we've got a good sport watch in the Goodspeed. We've got a versatile watch at that. We've got a sort of versatile dressy chronograph in the HK Ed 63. I wanted to add something a little bit fun, something that is just going to be a pure weekend jeans and t-shirt beach, versatile watch in that category. And that's why I went with the Vostok Amphibia. And the nice thing about the AM diver platform, it's kind of their bummer too. It's all in the AM diver ecosystem. So their bezels fit their, their crown or the fit, fit their, uh, their bezel inserts fit their bezels. So you're a little bit limited in your options in the way of, of changes, but there's so many options for them. So the, the model and design that, that I like the most is, is the black dial with the orange scuba dude diaper at the six o'clock ish. And it's not the, the kind of 12 to three scuba dude that you expect.
Everett Yeah. Your scuba dude sort of centered.
Andrew Yeah. Kind of dead centered with a six o'clock. date window in the 410 case, I think is what I like on it. Yeah, it's the 910. This is the ministry case. Yeah. So the ministry case, you've got there any, any amount of, of strap slash bracelet options. I can't speak to any of their bracelets. I can't imagine they're going to be great. I can't imagine they're going to be better than good. I don't know if they'll be bad.
Everett Yeah. You know, I can speak to the, they're at least they're, you know, 12 months ago, NATO strap options, which are fine. Mm-hmm. Totally fine. Just fine. Yeah.
Andrew That's all. But you're getting this at $120. This killer, innovative, kind of revolutionary dive watch at $120. I don't know what shipping is, but you're going to get this dive watch that's terrific. It's going to do all the divey things. It's going to have some quirks. It's going to be an introduction into Russian watches, it's going to be an introduction to kind of, not necessarily a vintage watch, but these all feel like vintage watches. When you, when you put on a Vostok, it feels like it was produced in the seventies and eighties. Nothing has changed. You've got a wealth of parts and mod options out available in the world for you. I think this is a killer dive watch for a three watch collection of somebody entering the watch world to get something fun, different, and super functional.
Everett Yeah, you know, I agree with you. And the thing I like about amdiver is a thing that many folks do, right? So whether it's Dave Murphy, or some of these aftermarket, third party mod sellers, they've they fixed the one issue with the Vostok, which is the bezel and bezel, which is really crappy. Some people like it. And I can actually see that. And I feel that too. I want more of a modern sort of bezel, and this fixes that. You're not gonna get clicks. It's gonna be a friction bezel, which has its place, and I actually don't, in my life, don't have any sort of need for a unidirectional 120-click bezel. It's kind of fun.
Andrew I want a bidirectional 60-click. I love that tactile feedback of those 60 clicks. The 120 is just too many clicks. You can't click it just once. It's a little ticky. Yeah, I want bidirectional 60 clicks. I like that tactile feedback when I rotate my bezel.
Everett But so this is going to have this is going to have a friction bezel. That's OK. It's going to feel very modern. These AM diver coinage bezels are manufactured to very, very, very high standards. And and their aluminum inserts, they've got a ton of options for aluminum inserts. But as Andrew suggested, and as we've talked about at length, 20 options, you're limited to their ecosystem. Right. And furthermore, Changing these things is a little bit cumbersome, and the reason for that is they've got two different sizes of inserts, and I don't know why this decision was made, and I don't know if they fixed it or if they're planning on fixing it, because we haven't talked to these guys. But you can't always swap these things. Some of their Omega-style inserts are a different size than their more traditional Rolex-style inserts. uh depending on depending on what you're doing um you know you can still get the 710 case the actual size of the bezel is the same but the insert style size is a little bit different and i ran into this when i swapped my my insert on mine out and i actually had to file the insert down and i think i did a reasonable job of that but it's not perfect it's noticed filed Yeah, if you get in there, certainly if you get in there with a loop or even if you just look carefully at it, you can see that that it's been it's been modified. So something to know, something to think about. But if you just nail it the first time, you're going to have zero issues and great watch. Great choice.
Andrew Thank you. Yeah. Great. That rounds out my three watch collection at five hundred and fifty money. You've got some you got a little bit of money to replace the potentially catastrophically bad. Because I think you should get it on a bracelet. You're not paying any more for the bracelet when you buy it from AM Diver than if you buy it from a, than if you buy it on a NATO.
Everett Risk the bracelet. Yeah, no, I think that's right. I think that's right. You know, looking at our two collections, so again, I'm that Seiko Spirit, Seiko Spirit Chronograph, Orient Kamasu slash Mako, quote unquote Mako 3, and then the Boulder Venture. You came in with the, two chronograph collection with the good speed Sonoma, the HK 1963, both chronographs, but as different as chronographs come. Yep. A very sort of traditional 70s style racing chronograph, very sporty. And then probably one of the dressiest chronographs you can buy for under $500 today.
Andrew I think the most dressy chronograph you can buy for under $500.
Everett And then your standard dive watch. I've probably got a little bit more collective water resistance in my collection than you do, which is fine. But you've got a watch with this AM diver that you can wear in any circumstance.
Andrew You can throw it at somebody and it's gonna be okay.
Everett Yeah, that's right. Minus the polished case, right? Which I think you've actually picked this up in a matte case. In the matte, yeah. Our collections are different, but in an attractive way because it gives you some options. We talked a little bit about this when we started, or you talked a little bit. We've sort of switched directions. I think you've picked a sort of nerdy watch insider selection versus mine, more of an entry-level, non-insider collection of cheap stuff. A ton of great options here, a ton of stuff to play with, and realistically, no one's budget's fixed to an exact dollar amount. So, um, between these six watches, I think anybody in the world could come in with, with a, just a Timex Ironman on their hand, pick up a three watch collection that they could hammer home and be totally happy with.
Andrew Yeah. If you pair any one of these three watch collections with a 5600, you might not have to buy another watch or an Ironman. Any one of those utility sport watches that are designed to be
Everett Bomb proof. Right. Right. Well, good work here. High five. We did it. We did it. Three watches for six hundred and a six watches for twelve hundred dollars. All the choices are here. You guys go get go get yourself some watches. Other things. Andrew, my man, go.
Andrew OK, so Netflix recently posted to their library, a Discovery Channel miniseries called Manhunt the Unabomber. I love it. Did you watch it? I haven't, no. So it is a highly artistic licensed story of the Unabomber hunt. And it's told in two time periods, kind of in parallel. You've got 1995 hunt for the Unabomber. and 1997 kind of prep for trial. And it is a terrific story. Now, that being said, it is not at all true to the real story in that the main character really wasn't the main character of the investigation. Uh, but it is. So who is the focus of the show? The focus of the show is a FBI agent, uh, James Fitzgerald. I think James Fitzgerald. It doesn't matter. FBI agent Fitzgerald, who is part of the Behavioral Analysis Unit and in the show pioneered forensic linguistics for the purpose of capturing the Unabomber. Now that's that part's kind of real, but the not so real part is that if you look into the actual investigation and some stories and op-eds written by agents who watch the show and then made some comments on it. Homie wasn't as critical a part of the investigation as the show would have you believe, but he makes for a really good main character in the course of a dramatization of a real story. Uh, it is, I forget his name. He's a British dude. Um, he was the main character in Avatar when he wasn't blue. Uh, you've got actors that you recognize throughout it. Really great acting, really great story writing. I will say though that the British guy did lose his American accent one time to such a degree that my wife even noticed it and she doesn't notice things like that, but he dropped in ideas when he was talking about his. Are we talking about Sam Worthington or are we talking about Sam Worthington, Paul Bettany, Sam Worthington? He dropped in ideas. All the rest of his American accent was really damn good, but for the one ideas that apparently they didn't catch in post, you know, my grandma likes to throw things in the washing machine. Yeah, it's so yucky. It's so yucky. But it was it was really well cast really great storyline. I dug it. We watched it. Gosh in like over the course of two days because we're we're both on parent leave. So we have a lot of time to watch Netflix because you can't really do much with a newborn. You sort of just have to sit there and wait for him to cry. So we watch this. It's a really good story. For those of you who are true, who want like a docudrama, this maybe isn't it. But in the way of kind of telling the general story, a good story, good character development, this is definitely worth a watch.
Everett So this is got Paul, you know, Paul Bettany, aka Vision, Sam Worthington, and then Chris Noth of Law & Order fame.
Andrew This, yeah, great cast. Great lineup. And I always remember Paul Bettany from his role in A Knight's Tale. Yeah. When he's trudging down the road naked.
Everett Is A Knight's Tale one of the most underrated movies of all time?
Andrew No. It's not a good movie. A Knight's Tale? Yeah. God, I love it. It's not a good movie. It's not even a... Have you watched it recently? I'm sure it doesn't hold up. I probably haven't watched it in a decade.
Everett A Knight's Tale is, I think, arguably one of the most underrated movies of the last 20 years. I love it. And I don't think that it's emotionally fantastic or philosophically fantastic. It's just enjoyable.
Andrew No, okay. So it is enjoyable. And if we go by my rating scale for movies, which is if you have to check your watch during the movie, it's not a good movie, then it's a good movie. I won't I won't see that it's one of the most underrated movies of the of the last 20 years. I will watch it again.
Everett The reason I think it's underrated is because people will think about A Knight's Tale and think, oh, that's goofy. And it's it's this Heath Ledger and they sing and it's stupid. With that said, it's one of the most enjoyable movies I can remember watching. I cannot I cannot say that at any time watching this movie I ever thought, oh, that's stupid. It was all just joy, total joy. Which I think... It's a fun movie. Fun and joy. Joy.
Andrew But it is... I'll watch it again. I will reserve judgment until I watch it again.
Everett Can we talk about this the next time we record?
Andrew Yeah, when we circle back to this next week, I will watch it in the interim.
Everett I'll watch it. You'll watch it. This will be a collective other thing the next time we meet. Yep. Because I love it.
Andrew I think I'm going to stand by my position, but I'm prepared to be wrong. I trust your opinion on movies. I trust your opinion on a lot of things. You've got to watch it with your wife. I will. We will probably watch it today.
Everett And what I want is, I want for your opinion to be... Influenced by hers also. Influenced by hers.
Andrew Yeah, no, no. I will bring both of our shared opinions and we will discuss it next week. And Heath Ledger, RIP.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew Continue. Okay. So Manhunt, I'm excited. It's good. It's really good. You're flying, right? I'm flying, yes. Dude, download a couple episodes. Watch them. I don't think our flight's all going to Watch an episode on the flight. It's an hour-long flight. They're 45-minute episodes. Done. Yeah.
Everett Done. So that actually is a good segue to my other thing. Do we? My other thing is also a binge-worthy show available only on HBO. A show that you've watched and talked about in the past, but I don't think it's ever been another thing on the show. I don't know that it has either. So Silicon Valley, Silicon Valley is a show that has been on HBO and it's got a fantastic run and people have always talked about it. We're in like season six. Six or seven, yeah. I think Kim and I are right in the first parts of season four right now. And we've been binging it. And again, not anything fantastic.
Andrew I disagree. I think it is fantastic.
Everett However, totally, totally joyful. I actually compared this show the other day and talking to Kim, I compared it to Shameless, the Showtime show, which I've never been able to get into Shameless.
Andrew I've tried it a couple of times. And it just it doesn't it just hasn't done it for me.
Everett Here's the comparison for me, which is this is a show that's got sort of episodic conflict and episodic resolution. to conflict in the grand scheme of a larger plot that extends over time. But the conflict is almost always main character inspired. One of the main characters does something... Can we sidetrack and talk about... Kumail Nanjiani's physique right now?
Andrew How he's yoked. Yeah. He looks like a fucking Marvel hero.
Everett So he's so I actually read this article before you pulled it up on my screen right now. Just some some man porn. But yeah, he's he's spent the last year getting in very good shape. Look at the veins in his bicep. He's he's got a little bit of a Wolverine. Yeah. Type thing going on.
Andrew He looks like Sylvester Stallone in in like his peak, not meatball. Current Sylvester Stallone is more yoked than he was in the 80s, but like yoked Sylvester Stallone of the 80s.
Everett Yeah, no, he's I think that he's probably on the short list of of sexiest Pakistani actors. Actors?
Andrew That's a short list to begin with.
Everett Well, I mean, unless you're in Pakistan. I mean, I don't know. Yeah, no. Incredible. What's his face? Chris Pratt did this a few years ago when he was preparing for Guardians of the Galaxy, and it was like, Holy shit, Chris Pratt.
Andrew When did you not get, when did you get unfat?
Everett Right. You know, this guy, uh, you know, who's known as his role on Silicon Valley as being, you know, chronically unsexy and you know, the nerd, right? They have to put him in a fat suit to be on set nowadays. All of a sudden he's totally yoked and in incredible shape. Yeah. Good for him.
Andrew Sorry to interrupt. I just, when you started talking about that, I immediately, I saw this picture recently. It was like,
Everett You know, we're not a lot gay, but we're a little gay on this show.
Andrew For that guy? Yeah.
Everett Yeah. Yeah, that's right. That's right. So I want to talk about the show because I think it's just, I think, like A Night's Tale, which is not another thing this week, but will be in our next episode, just totally joyful. Every episode is a stupid conflict. And I say a stupid conflict because the conflicts are always sort of unrealistic and ridiculous. And then the resolution to those is similarly unrealistic and ridiculous, right? It's always some miraculous cure to some error in share difficulty. And that is satisfying, but in a very surfacy way. With that said, the writing and the acting and the interaction between the actors is just really joyful. That's killer. Fantastic dynamic. The actors are dynamic. Who's the guy that plays Ehrlich Bachman? Is it T.J.?
Andrew T.J. It's not Ward. It's T.J. Ward is a different guy. Oh, is it T.J. Miller? T.J.
Everett Miller. Yeah. So he is this. I actually don't like his character at all. And you're not supposed to. No. And I don't even particularly like his. I mean, his delivery is sort of yucky. And, you know, you can see you can't see, but you can see my my body is kind of I don't like the way he delivers lines. I don't like the way he moves. With that said, it works so freaking well. He's super clamory. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Uh, the dynamic and, and, and the, the main character, Richard Hendricks is this sort of overblown, uh, uh, you, you know, perhaps Asperger's style nerd and he nails it. Nails. I love it. I really, really love the show. We've watched four seasons in two weeks. yikes you know because it's worth that three or four episodes a night just sort of turned it on and last night it was 12 45 and i was like can we watch another episode and kim was like i want to i want to but i really know i need to get some sleep that's the right kind of show the one that you're willing to sacrifice the whole next day because of like uh portlandia yeah star galactica yeah so that's my other thing i'm willing to have work suck even more on a monday Well, I know as we sit here right now, there's no edits to this show because we fucking nailed it. We did it. Which means we're at an hour 10 and 35, 36, 37.
Andrew We're 8, 9, 40.
Everett So we're over time. Andrew, is there anything else that you want to roll out before we cut for the day?
Andrew No. Happy New Year, y'all.
Everett Happy New Year. And thank you for joining us for this episode of 40 and 20. Check us out on Instagram. at 40 and 20. We're going to have some traveling watch project pictures up in between now and then. And it will hopefully at this point be in its next destination. Check us out on patreon.com slash 40 and 20. Again, Patreon is where we get all our support for the show. That's how we pay for hosting and all the things that we need that cost money for this show. A little bit actually helps and takes the burden off of us and our wives and our kids college accounts. Don't forget to tune back in next Thursday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Andrew Bye bye.