Episode 55 - Titanium Watches

Published on Wed, 13 Nov 2019 22:19:00 -0800

Synopsis

Andrew and Everett discuss titanium watches, covering their history, properties, advantages, disadvantages, and recommended affordable models from brands like Seiko, Citizen, Invicta, Helm, and Bertucci. They also talk about Andrew's first week at his new job, meeting up with podcast guest AJ Barse, and their "other things" including shaving cream recommendations and movies they've watched recently like The King and Raising Dion.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. This is the 40 in 20 podcast with your host, Andrew, and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Everett Everett, how are you? Andrew, you sound like you're talking out of a tomato can.
Andrew What happened to your voice? I'm talking out of a MacBook Air. Oh, from an office in my home instead of our usual recording studio, because I with a new schedule this week and with a holiday and with a cold, I get a little disoriented about what days were what. So yesterday I told my wife, hey, you good if I record with Everett tomorrow? And she said, yeah, that's good. I thought yesterday was Sunday.
Everett It was not Sunday.
Andrew Yesterday was Monday. Yeah. So yesterday was Monday, a holiday. I was disoriented because they were home. She works late, usually Mondays. But if there's a holiday, she works late on Tuesdays. So here I am at home. Kid is in bed. And that was really the trigger. The reason I am not at your house is because I didn't want to, like, intrude with your family or any of that weird stuff. I also wanted my kid to go to sleep because he can be a bit of a pain. Yeah. So he's asleep in his bed. I'm in my office. You're in our office studio.
Everett In the recording studio.
Andrew Yeah. And here we are, we're doing it. You know, it's actually kind of nice to hear the phone side of what these interviews sound like with people. So now I've got an idea now of what we sound like to people.
Everett Of how terrible it is? Yeah.
Andrew Mostly how terrible it is.
Everett Yeah. No, this is our first time recording remotely, you and I.
Andrew And it's something we talked about being able to do. We just have never had cause for it.
Everett Yeah. No, you know, uh, I'll say just, just sort of to get it out of the way. I kind of hate it.
Andrew I'm not a fan. I like sitting next to you and being able to like flick paper at you. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it feels more natural and it's, it's easier and we don't have to, I mean, we had all these like mini you'd think we, we would just be able to do this without thinking about it, but We had all sorts of mini crises.
Andrew I mean, we should have, we had about 20 minutes of errors.
Everett Yeah. Just fuck cops. We're live now. We're live. Yeah, no, sure. We're live.
Andrew Sort of, at least. I mean, we're recording, right? We're recording. I can't see the button.
Everett You cannot. It's red, though. OK. Yeah, we are recording.
Andrew That's usually my job, is to make sure the button's red. And a few times we've been mid-interview or mid-conversation and the button has remained green.
Everett That's true. I just spilled soda on myself because... What is this?
Andrew It's funnier on a screen than in person, I gotta say.
Everett When I spill shit on myself? Yeah. Yeah. No, it's weird. It's different. I don't love it, but... Here we are. Alas, here we are. Hopefully we won't have to do it again for a while. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I think that the last time I recorded pure remote sitting in my, sitting by myself in this room, um, was... With AJ. That's right. Yeah. With AJ Barse when you were, uh, JRTC and... Army training. Army training. Uh, yeah. So then I think that's the last time I recorded, uh, alone. as it were. And, and that was harder. You know, that was, uh, at the end of that recording, AJ sent me his audio and I had to mash them up because that was in the olden days before we had our new equipment. Uh, I, I mean, I guess theoretically we could do that this time and get up maybe a little bit higher fidelity with yours. I think that's what Mike and Kaz do is, you know, every week they record in different places and they, and they mash their audio up. Uh, but yeah, let's not do that. Nah, that's exactly how I feel. That's, that was exactly the word that was in my head with regards.
Andrew Let's not have you do that. Cause it's certainly not going to be me.
Everett Yeah. Yeah, no, I don't want to do it. So people will just have to deal with you on the phone this week. Yep. Sorry, y'all. Sorry, y'all. My wife asked me, uh, with the new equipment, she said, does that mean we can take the towel off the, the beach towel off the wall in the bedroom or in the spare bedroom? And I was like, Hey, I said, I liked the tapestries. Hey, recording studio, B, sound dampening tapestry, not a beach towel, not the guest bedroom, babe. Exactly. Yeah. But then she said, can we take it down? I don't know. We'll have to try it. I like it. Yeah. So speaking of AJ Barset, I actually met up with AJ this week. I know. I was so bummed that I couldn't go with you. It was pretty fun. You know, it's crazy. So I am not a driver. I do not like driving. I just don't like doing it. I don't like doing it. I don't mind driving for for brief stints to, you know, go to the grocery store or whatever. But driving more than about an hour just irks me, especially for like an evening or something. If I drive two hours, I need to like get a short term rental or something. You know, I want to be there for a week or so. I just hate it, you know, but AJ had come down from Bellevue for a, not Bellevue, Bellingham for a conference for a tech educational conference. And he was like, dude, I am in your neck of the woods, which in my head, I think, well, Portland's not really my neck of the woods, but it's more my neck of the woods than Bellingham, which is basically Canada. Yeah, that's right. That's right. And I, he had come down from Seattle. I think he had a conference in Seattle and conference in Portland. Drove up to Portland after work, what last?
Andrew Thursday.
Everett Thursday, that sounds right.
Andrew Yeah, you texted me about it and I was like, oh man, I can't make it work. I have to work.
Everett We grabbed a couple beers. I guess he had, I think he was drinking gin and tonic actually. Go with God, my man. I kind of am. Yeah. And I had a couple beers. I was on a little keto respite. Ooh, because you were traveling. Yeah, I it was actually turned out to be an extended keto rest, but I think almost a week.
Andrew Ooh And you never tell me when you do keto trips like anti-keto treks, and we can't go to like Track town or yeah, I think it's gonna be more often now.
Everett I suspect I'm I'm probably gonna do four or five days a month would be my guess.
Andrew Cause we'll go do all you can eat wings at chicken bones.
Everett Yeah, well, I mean, I could do all you can eat wings at Chicken Bones on cue. They do.
Andrew They do. I think they've got some kind of breading. Oh, yeah.
Everett You're right. They are breaded wings. So, yeah.
Andrew But so crispy and delicious. I noticed you're drinking whiskey, too. What are you drinking?
Everett This is the this is the Dirty Bird, a.k.a. Famous Grouse. It is my cheap scotch of choice. I think we've talked about this a few times.
Andrew Yeah, it's a good go to. I've got Lagavulin 8 going right now.
Everett Oh, Lagavulin like like Ron Swanson.
Andrew Yeah. Paired with some nice bush light.
Everett Oh, that's fucking disgusting.
Andrew I've got such a good combo. Tell me you're telling me your combination is better somehow than what I'm doing. Yes, it very much is.
Everett This is it is kind of like a a rainier cherry San Juan seltzer. This is high class shit.
Andrew It's really good. And the wild turkey or as Dave Murphy would say, it's like a Like an old fashioned.
Everett As Dave Murphy would say, a good way, a perfect way to ruin a perfectly good glass of scotch or bourbon. Yeah. He did make fun of us. He did. No, he did. And then later on his Instagram post, uh, pushing the show, he made fun of us. So he was, he was a fun guest. I think maybe one of my favorite guests ever. He was. Yeah. You know, uh, Dave Murphy and Jeff Sexton. We actually got a request to do a follow up Jeff Sexton, a follow up Elgin Elgin time interview. We got a request over the Instagram this week, like a request for that. Like, hey, you guys really need to bring that guy back. We do. Yeah.
Andrew Yeah. And I think we both we need to do a roundtable. I think that'd be a blast. Dave Murphy. It could be chaotic.
Everett Yeah. Jeff Sexton. Oh, I also got a ping. I got a ping from it. aggressive timing habits who many, many of you guys will know who said, Hey, you guys talked about deck has watches two weeks in a row on the show, which made me chuckle a little bit, uh, because that's true. We did. We did do that.
Andrew It was sort of incidental contact with Dave though.
Everett Yeah. Well, uh, you had a big week. Uh, do you want to talk about it at all?
Andrew Well, I mean, I had my first week of work, uh, And it was, I don't know, it was, it was work. It was awesome. I can't believe I'm getting paid to do this job. So this week will be a little bit different. I have army training. Yippee. So I get to go up to JBLM. Yeah. When is that? When do you do that? I leave Thursday night.
Everett Okay.
Andrew Gonna suck. Then tomorrow I have a like daytime training, like my once a month training through, uh, through my agency. I get to, do some training, so I'm not going to be up until 630 in the morning, which will be really nice. I'm going to be up until like a reasonable hour and then get to go to JBLM on Thursday night. That's yucky. Oh, it's the worst. I'm so mad. That's yucky. It is just pure garbage.
Everett What do you do when you get up to JBLM? Are you guys actually doing real work or?
Andrew No, it's the mass medical. That's the only reason I'm going like it's a whole it's a whole thing. I'm not real pleased about it, but can you do that here?
Everett I mean, can you do that?
Andrew Theoretically, yes, but there are some things that I have to do with individuals that are up there. Like I have to meet face to face with a couple of folks to iron things out. And it's going to require my charm and charisma in person and not over the phone. Yeah. And if need be, tears, because the tears could come.
Everett You know, actually, you do you do exhibit some charm and charisma on the phone. I'm almost inclined to say we should continue to do this.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. It's because the odor isn't around.
Everett Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Well, I mean, I don't want to push you at all, but is there anything about your first week that that was different than you expected or more interesting or less interesting?
Andrew Or because I'm curious, obviously, I think one of the so one of the cool things about this, the training process that I'm doing is that you get evaluated every day. And I'm not usually one who likes to fail. or even be subpar at things. And the whole premise of this evaluation process is that you every day are getting evaluated, evaluated kind of subjectively off of what your evaluators assessment of somebody who's solo and has been in the job for 18 months. So I'm like on a scale of one to five getting ones.
Everett You'd suck at this.
Andrew Which is totally reasonable. And it was the first time in my life that I've gotten basically an F. Yeah. And been pretty okay about it. And a little bit excited about it. Like, yeah, I sucked. But you know what? Next time it's going to be a 1.1. Because I'm going to do better. It's just fun. Like, I don't know. It was, it's hard to describe. We can talk more about it. We'll get beers or something. Sure. Talk more about it. Not in a podcast format, but. It was cool. It was also cool, like failing and getting made fun of and then getting coached and not feeling like a failure. Cause there was some, some bowling bumpers there on both sides to make sure that it wasn't catastrophic.
Everett And it's, and it's productive, I assume. And there's probably some purpose to him giving you quote unquote ones and, uh, Oh, they're absolutely.
Andrew Well, I mean, I mean, objectively, if, if you're looking at somebody who's just learning to do something and somebody who's already good at it, there should be a pretty great disparity between their performance. Sure. Sure. So once once I get up to like fours and fives, that'll be in kind of my time to like flap your wings, little bird.
Everett Love it. I love it. I'm still trying to come up with a way to trigger a response from you in your official capacity without also ruining my career and or life. Yeah. Good luck. It's hard. I've had, there's a couple ideas in the wings. Uh, uh, to be disclosed at a later date. So, uh, I've ruled out most forms of robbery. Um, do that. Yeah. Civil liability, uh, involved in that. And, and I'm cheap. Um, you know, uh, driving infractions, I feel like. especially based on, you know, some of the things you told me, I'd have to be sort of over the top in Eugene and I'm disinclined to do anything actually dangerous. So I think maybe something along the lines of like selling something in public or a good old fashioned car crash. Oh, yeah. No, I like my car too much for that.
Andrew OK.
Everett Rental. Yeah. Well, that's a reasonable, that's a reasonable thought.
Andrew Just get the insurance. I mean, the whole fact that we've talked about it kind of creates a sticky situation.
Everett Yeah. And I mean, I'd have to crash into something. Right. Where I think that you, you, you have an unreasonable risk of hurting someone and or.
Andrew Or just a spectacular crash. Like you hit a curb, go on a pretty good speed, get some rolls, some tumbles.
Everett Yeah. Everyone shows up to that. Yeah, that's true. That's true. I'm thinking it's going to be something along the lines of, uh, uh, something along the lines of, of something that's not illegal, but, but that is going to make people feel uncomfortable. Like maybe open carry in downtown or something.
Andrew You could take up criminal defense.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. You know, you know what? I was at the courthouse this morning at a hearing and there was a, there was a bunch of just obviously cops sitting there. Uh, and I thought, Oh, that'll be someday that'll be Andrew. Just, just waiting to go to court. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, hey, we're talking about watches today. We should. No, we are. We can. Oh, okay. Then, yeah. I assure you we will. I assure you we will. You know, I got to be honest. I don't know where this goes, where this episode goes. Sometimes you send me episode ideas and I'm like, oh, fuck. Yeah, that sounds awesome. Sometimes you send me episode ideas and I'm like, there's plenty of material there. I don't know how interesting it is. This was one of those. I agree.
Andrew I think this kind of falls into one of our like type of watch categories, talking, you know, whether we pilot watches or divers or any of other type of watch, I think this is kind of where that falls because it's not especially interesting. I'll dive right into it. We're talking titanium watches today. And I got to say, I was expecting there to be a lot more excitement associated with the development and, um, Getting to market of titanium watches. And there isn't, no, there isn't at all. It just kind of showed up on scene. Citizen did a, did a limited edition in 1970 of their X eight and they made 2000 titanium case watches. And then people were like, cool, I guess we can make titanium watches. And they started doing it and they showed up as either limited edition or they showed up as, um, you know, a staple in their catalog. And they, there's nothing really special. And I was kind of hoping there would be this triumph to getting titanium watches to the marketplace. And I was let down.
Everett Yeah. Well, it was, well, no, I don't know that I was let down. I don't think that it's a particularly exciting development in terms of, uh, in, in terms of any sort of capability or uh, increased performance. Certainly there are some, some benefits to titanium watches. Uh, I, I do feel, I did feel a tiny bit surprised that it took as long as it did for titanium watches. And I think some of that has to do with, um, the, the advancement in the refinement of titanium, the, the actual finding of the material and the refinement thereof.
Andrew But there was a lot of titanium production in, other industries at that point. Turning it into watch cases was kind of nothing special, especially in 1970. And we look at titanium. We look at a metal that is lighter than steel. It is hypoallergenic, but who gives a shit, right? Who is it? I don't know of anyone.
Everett Upwards 10 to 20% of people in the world are allergic to nickel. Uh, so that, that's it, you know, I, I hear what you're saying. And in fact, I don't off the top of my head, know anybody who's complained of that, but statistically 10 to 20% of people are, uh, at least in some degree allergic to nickel, which is, which is found in almost all stainless steel alloys.
Andrew And, and totally understand, but the only person that I've ever come across who has ever had an issue with wearing a watch and having an allergic reaction has been, so there's been two people. You were one of them and it was with your silicone watch band that was just dirty. And the other person was with a leather watch band that I assume was also just dirty. You know, man, like a kind of gnarly, icky rash.
Everett There are a number of people on the forums, you know, watch your state. There are a number of people that have a nickel allergy, so it's not, it's not as uncommon as you might imagine.
Andrew How severe is it though? And is it, I mean, I guess part of the question then is, is, does every company steel then have varying amounts of nickel present that would have, would trigger a varying amount of allergy? I mean, is, is one person going to respond negatively to a 2% alloy or 2% nickel versus a 5% versus a 6% or, I mean, I don't know.
Everett Well, that would be my guess. Yeah. That it's like any other allergy, right? Where, where some people are going to be more prone to, to reaction than others. And, and certainly within grades of steel, there are, uh, different levels of, of nickel content and, you know, different alloys. So, uh, yeah, no, I think that that hypoallergenic feature is something that if it matters to you, it probably really matters to you.
Andrew Yeah, and there's plenty of titanium watches out there that can fit the bill. So I just want to go over a couple more traits. So it costs more because the refinement process is just a little bit more expensive. Although it's not particularly rare. No, and I think probably because of the hardness of it, there is some refinement challenges that don't exist with stainless steel. It's lighter. I might have already said that. So you can get things like the titanium Nighthawk, which is no longer available and is also like 500 bucks. When I saw the titanium Nighthawk, I was like, they make it in black too. They have a, they have a coated black Nighthawk in titanium.
Everett I was like, I feel like if you're going to go titanium, you don't get a black though. You, you bask in that dark gray.
Andrew uh loveliness that is a titanium's natural shade maybe but i that's actually so it's harder but scratches easier than stainless steel and and the one thing that that's biggest to me stainless steel looks better i think titanium barring a few examples has less versatility than stainless steel in the way of appearance you can dress up and down stainless steel pretty easily titanium kind of has a as a maximum threshold for how good it's going to look because it has that gray, almost like the, uh, kind of like the Seiko fives, the OG SNK blasted look.
Everett Well, you know, that that's interesting. So certainly stainless steel is brighter. I mean, just in and of itself in any, in any finish, it's going to be brighter. Uh, I also think that it holds a polish better. And I, and I suspect that's what you're saying. The thing about titanium that makes it hypoallergenic and that it makes it more resistant to oxidation, you know, in particular corrosion from salt or whatever, is because it forms a natural layer of oxidation of aesthetically not unpleasing, but not oxidation, but what it does is it prevents it from being bright and shiny. It gives it a natural sort of matte finish.
Andrew You're doing jazz hands. I was doing jazz hands because whenever I hear bright and shiny, I always think of the movie Bubble Boy. Okay. And the kind of weird cult people who sang bright and shiny. They were like a hippie bus.
Everett And they do jazz hands. They do jazz hands. Yeah. I can't, you know, you you've been very diligent about muting your microphone, but it seems like perhaps. I'm breaking my cough. Yeah. You've got you've got some funk.
Andrew I'm just right on the end of a cold. I'm getting better. Talking doesn't help.
Everett Yeah. No, I bet. So I podcast. I'm sorry. I'm sorry that's happening to you.
Andrew I'm on the mend. I'm sorry, Boo. But one thing about the shininess Seiko and Citizen have developed a process by which they super heat treat and blast with ions, their titanium, and it comes out looking very similar to stainless steel. And I'm not getting this glass coating, right? I haven't got to see any of these in the metal and they're on the cheap. So I might be buying one soon because I dig the idea of titanium and I'd like to see that process actually in person, what the results are. Because if you can treat titanium in such a way that it looks like stainless steel and it doesn't scratch, because that's an issue with titanium is that it can scratch even though it's somehow harder. I don't really understand why, but it shows scratches and dings and all the other shit a little bit easier. But I'd like to see that process in person. Because if that's it, that could be the end all be all once they make it a cost effective way to make watch cases.
Everett I muted myself and then I did not unmute myself. Yeah. No, that is, uh, it's super interesting to me. I wonder if you'd miss, if you'd, if you lose something of the titanium charm though, uh, that would be my concern.
Andrew I mean, the titanium charm is there, but I, I feel like the titanium charm. is the coolness of titanium. The fact that it's super light, it's virtually indestructible and not necessarily the color like the the Helsin Diver is what comes to mind or even the Bertucci two watches. I really, really like that. Like the Helsin Diver, you can you could maybe get away with at work as a dive watch.
Everett And it's the bracelet's an issue, but it's smaller. It's a smaller dialed watch.
Andrew The color's the issue for me. You can't, like, I just feel like a gray watch as opposed to a polished watch limits your ability. And in fairness, that's what titanium watches are kind of built around. They're built around that active lifestyle, that doing stuff, that go try and destroy this because you're not going to be able to. Idea. And they're not necessarily meant for the same versatility that, you know, people like you and I are looking for. Also partly because we don't have any kind of nickel allergies, but yeah, for the non nickel allergens or allergy folks out there, I just want it to be brighter.
Everett You want it for them? I want it for me. Oh, okay.
Andrew Okay. And, and for the people who are allergic to nickel, I want you guys to be able to wear bright colored watches, some shine,
Everett Now you said a thing, and I want to ask you about it because maybe you know the answer, and I don't because I'm not a metallurgist or someone who's found the answer to this particular metallurgy question, but you said, and it's a thing that I read too, that titanium is harder than steel. I suspect that there is some nuance to that statement, that it's either A, not true, or that B, there's some nuance. I don't know enough about metal, and maybe you at home listening can shed some light, assuming Andrew cannot. I know that titanium is, quote unquote, stronger than steel, but I wonder if that also means harder than steel, because I have a feeling that titanium is softer than steel, that at least on its surface, it's more prone to scratching than steel.
Andrew So what I was able to read is that titanium steel is an alloy, right? Like steel, it encapsulates a huge swath of this metallurgic composition and not all steels are made equal. Now most watches are using like 361 or 316L steel or 361. Yeah, 316L or 904 for Rolex. There's a couple compounds that are generally used in watchmaking and there's a variation in every Everyone has their own kind of, I imagine, recipe for that same kind of steel. Now, titanium generally is stronger, lighter, and scratches easier than many steels, not all steel. So I imagine it's kind of, it's going to fall into one of those mid-grade prone to scratch steels. So 50% of steel is going to scratch more, 50% of steel is going to scratch less. Seiko and Citizen were able to develop this process by which they superheat and ionize and make it as scratch-resistant as their 316 and 904s that they use in their main catalog of watches. With the DyaShield or whatever, right? Yeah, with whatever happens during that super science-y process. But I think you're right in saying that it's stronger, not necessarily more scratch-resistant. I don't really understand how that difference.
Everett Stronger, harder, softer. Uh, those are harder.
Andrew It's a lot stronger and softer.
Everett Yeah. Yeah, no, that's right. You know, it's, it makes me think of, uh, it makes me think of, uh, knife making, right. You know, one of the things that people do in knife making is they will, uh, temper the spine and the blade of a knife to different hardnesses. You want, you want the, the, blade, that blade edge to be extremely hard, but you want to get some softness in that spine so the whole thing doesn't snap. And so I understand some of the principles at play that there's stronger, quote unquote stronger, that doesn't necessarily mean harder. So yeah, no, it's an interesting idea. I'd love to know more about it, but sort of in spite of my efforts, I could not, I could not find an answer that I felt comfortable bringing to the microphone today.
Andrew One of the things that I was looking at was talking about metallurgy doesn't use the term stronger. It talks about the term life cycle and what it, what it was saying generally was that say a, um, a rod, like a, uh, what were they using as an example? They were using some kind of, of spinning shaft in a, piece of machinery, they prefer titanium because the life cycle is longer than that of steel, which is just meaning that it's breaking down at a much slower rate. And I think the surface scratches are kind of irrelevant when the, when you're looking at the overall structural integrity of that, uh, of that shaft. So those steel might scratch slower. You said the shaft, I said shaft a few times and structural integrity. Um, So when you're looking at that structural integrity, it holds, even though it might show some surface wear. And honestly, I think the surface wear of like your Bertucci is really charming. It's kind of polished.
Everett Yeah, that's right.
Andrew I agree. It has led to a polish and it's lost some of its edge, which means it's kind of, I mean, eroded is maybe the word I'm looking for, but I can't quite decide.
Everett Yeah, no, I think that that's accurate. I think that's accurate. Yeah. No, it's, it's sharp edges have sort of become softer and certainly it's got, but, but I agree. It is charming. It works really well on that watch in particular. You know, but other watches I could see, I wouldn't like that. So yeah.
Andrew Can you imagine if your SKX took on that color after years of wear?
Everett Yeah, I think I might like it on the SKX too, but, but certainly I wouldn't like it on a watch like my SAR, Uh, definitely not, you know, something more dressy. So, uh, yeah, no, I, it's interesting. Um, it's an interesting concept and someday maybe I'll know more about it.
Andrew I think what it comes down to is that titanium is, you know, barring these few methods, you're just not going to get a, a dressy appearance out of an affordable titanium. Cause there's some APS and there's some, Uh, some Panerais out there and some, uh, there was one other that I looked at that came in titanium that came in like north of what I make in a year. Um, you know, you get a lot of Breitlings out there and I think, I think Breitling and pilot watches kind of of that ilk really should be made of titanium just simply for the, uh, for the story behind it, you know, the aerospace integration or that's not the right word. In collusion, the fact that aerospace technology is using a lot of titanium, it'd be super cool to be wearing a titanium watch when you're flying a jet. Right. It's just I can't. I don't have that kind of money to spend on titanium watches. And we talked about a Pulsar, maybe a Seiko subsidiary. It was a titanium for like under 100 bucks had to be.
Everett Yeah, I assume that is a Pulsar. Yeah, Pulsar makes a couple of titanium watches. They do a good job with those. So, you know, I think that that's probably a good stepping point for us to actually start talking about some watches, because we've done the thing where we say, if you're looking for affordable watches, this might be what you like. You know, everybody should have a Citizen or a, excuse me, a Zen... Citizen Nighthawk. Well, Citizen Nighthawk, yes, but perhaps a Zen T1 Um, you know, one of the neatest watches on the face of the earth, but not everybody has four grand to drop on one of these things. So what, what about you sitting at home with, uh, $125 on your Amazon gift card balance? Uh, what, what should you perhaps be looking for in a titanium watch? And, and I guess Andrew, if you don't mind, I might kick it off, uh, because I have a watch that that I'd like to start with. This is a watch that I have long had in my to-checkout pile. And it's just sort of an interesting combination between price, the amount of money to get the one that I want versus where it would fit in my collection because of other watches I have. But this is the Momentum Atlas.
Andrew And they make
Everett this in a couple different sizes. I am inclined to like the 38. There's also a 32 and a 44. And, um, 32, I think reality is 32 is too small for me. And, uh, 44 is well outside of what I would wear, but this is a fairly, uh, classic looking. Field watch is what it is. Uh, it comes on a titanium bracelet. It's got some very neat curved, uh, lug integration. Um, and it's just sort of a no shit, a hundred meters, screw down crown field watch. Uh, it's got a quartz movement, so it's quote unquote, grab and go. Um, it's got a great knurled, uh, crown. It's got flanged sides. Uh, you know, all in all it does. give a sort of Zen vibe, I think, although it's certainly not going to be to that level of care or precision. I think these watches are just incredibly neat. Incredibly neat, very simple, I assume very easy to wear, and just sort of a no-nonsense watch.
Andrew And titanium is such a perfect material for field watches, because a field watch, I would feel comfortable paying one I mean, north of a hundred dollars for a field watch. And if you tell me it's going to be made of titanium, I'm going to feel comfortable paying north of $150 for a field watch. Cause you're going to get that, that kind of charm of the titanium color. And you know, you're going to get a field watch that is going to do everything you expect a field watch to do. And this is 135 money.
Everett Yeah. You know, they, they come in as much as 285, almost 300 on a, uh, on a bracelet. And perhaps there's some third parties that you could get it for a little bit cheaper.
Andrew It says Momentum men's 1M SP00B1 Atlas titanium watch with black band.
Everett Yeah. I think that the, the premium on the straps on these is quite a bit. Um, I or the bracelet. I think that on a bracelet, these things are about $100 more expensive than they are on the on the strap. Oof. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. It's not it's not a small amount of money. Is it a titanium bracelet? It sure is. It sure is. So if that's if that's what you want, you're going to pay a premium for that. And I would get that on a bracelet. Say it again.
Andrew Yeah, there's a lot of titanium.
Everett Uh, but you know, they have, uh, they have, uh, a fairly simple oyster type bracelet. Um, yeah, again, I don't think that's a whole lot that needs to be said about it. It's a pretty, it's just a no nonsense watch, three o'clock crown. Um, and I think it's great. And this would maybe be my first stop if I was pretty serious about buying, uh, a brand new titanium watch today. I think that this would be on a very short list.
Andrew I dig it, but I'm going to go a slightly different route, and I'm going to go with the Seiko SGG731. A lot of the same features, a lot of the same looks. What we're getting is a what appears to be a really classic Seiko 5 series with a black dial, the day date you're expecting out of a Seiko 5 series. the sword hands, the stick markers, and you're going to get that three piece bracelet with the kind of faux polished almost five piece look. It's coming in at 30. I mean, what you're basically getting here is an SNK that's titanium and with sapphire crystal.
Everett Can you give me that reference again? We usually do this before we start. What was the reference on that?
Andrew SGG 731. That's what I had wrong. And this is 122 bucks.
Everett It is pulling up. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I like this. What's the size on this guy?
Andrew 38 millimeters, man. Yeah. 38 sapphire crystal. It's the exact, it's, it's the SNK same. I think the only difference is really the, The case shape is a little bit different.
Everett And I and I don't like that case shape at all.
Andrew Not a fan?
Everett No, not even a little bit. Those weird lugs.
Andrew It's got a little bit weird lugs, but I feel like with a titanium case, you have to expect they're going to try to do something to be like, Oh, tough. It's got a kind of a little bit of a weird crown guard. It's almost got the the crown is almost cut into the case. Yeah, but it's only 38 millimeters. Sapphire crystal. It looks like there's water resistance.
Everett It looks like a Mega Man boss to me.
Andrew A little bit. Yeah. No, I can definitely see that. And it's quartz. Yeah. I mean, what you're paying for here is the fact that it's a titanium case, but this kind of shakes that mold of the only thing you can do with a titanium watch is wear it on the weekends or in like sporting. Like, I feel like this is a watch that you could wear to work and not feel Like it's out of place, like a weird gray watch out of place.
Everett You know, this watch comes in a two-tone iteration. I think it's the 739 or 742 or something. And I think actually titanium does two-tone integration fairly well. I think the darker metal, that slightly darker metal, plays really well with gold.
Andrew It does brighten the gold, yeah.
Everett And certainly that's gonna be a taste thing. I know you're sort of anti-two-tone.
Andrew I'm just kind of anti-gold. I don't know. I like the crown on that two-tone iteration though.
Everett You like the what? The crown? Yeah, that bright crown. I do think that, you know, Seiko in particular, as does Citizen, But Seiko in particular has some very neat sort of 2000s, the oddies, as it were. They've got some great two-tone titanium options that can be found for a song. And I really like that appeal. If I was going to If I was in the market for vintage two-tone, that would be those Seiko two-tone titanium watches from the early 2000s would be something that I would be looking close at.
Andrew I do. I have to say between those two, the Momentum and the SSG, I think we have probably just captured the best two entries into the titanium watch game for versatility. Yeah.
Everett Yeah, that's very likely true. And they do totally different things. They're very similar watches, but doing completely different things.
Andrew And I just, I trust that Seiko bracelet too. I trust that it's going to be pretty okay.
Everett Yeah. Oh yeah. I think it's going to be just fine. I found that a lot of, it's probably because titanium has a reputation as sort of a spacey material, but I find that a lot of the Seiko and Citizen titanium watches have kind of Ridley Scott integrated bracelet situations, which I don't find altogether unappealing. I find it more appealing than I would expect.
Andrew So, um, one thing that I didn't like about citizen watches at this price point in titanium is they all also have kind of a weird case shape. If you pull up like the, um, BM, 7431-51E. They all almost have like a, like an anodigy case shape. And this, this is just an example of one, but they all kind of feel cheap. And this is a $350 watch. Yeah. You said 7431-5E?
Everett Yeah. BM. The bowel movement. 7431-51E. The paradigm. Yeah. You know, I actually don't hate this watch at all.
Andrew It just, it doesn't, it feels cheap. Like they could have just done so much more that kind of a weird integrated bracelet, kind of a weird case shape. I get that it's eco drive. It like, just, it seems haphazard to me. And that's one thing that I saw with, with Citizen in their titanium line is a lot of, throw some shit at the wall and see what sticks. And that's kind of how it felt in the way of their designs.
Everett You know, you make that many watches, you have the ability to, you have the ability to really appeal to everyone at some level. So, but yeah, there's a, there's a problem there when you, when you look at some of these watches and you think this would be such a cool watch if Uh, if this or if that, um.
Andrew I really like that blue Atlas. Sorry to interrupt. Yeah. The blue dialed Atlas 38. Uh, interrupt away.
Everett Interrupt away. You know.
Andrew It's weird to both of us be on the computer looking at pictures and watches.
Everett Because usually only one of us can do it.
Andrew Yeah. Usually I can see like the side of the screen. I have to like lean in and it becomes a whole thing.
Everett You know, uh, Citizen makes a Royal Marines Commando watch, uh, that looks very similar to the Momentum Atlas. Uh, same sort of knurling on the crown and flanged case. Uh, I call it flange. I don't know if that's the right term. Um, the Citizen, I think I've got one up here. The BN0110s, um, also titanium. These are kind of hard to find. Uh, these are kind of hard to find now. I don't think they're selling them. And so they're, they're pretty expensive. Um, and I think you get a very similar sort of watch with the, with the type, with the Atlas. Uh, yeah.
Andrew It's even got the weird little tab on it. That's right. Yeah. I think that is like a shot for shot homage from the Atlas.
Everett Damn near. And you know, uh, well, and I don't know which is first. I don't, I don't know if, you know, these both are neither one of them is probably an, an original design. Um, they both have the same movement. I think they both have these. Miota V movements, uh, VX movements. So, uh, or, or a very similar movement. So, uh, the, the citizens got a lot more water resistance, three at 300 meters versus a hundred meters.
Andrew So I imagine that momentum. It's, I mean, it's got probably a screw down crown.
Everett I wonder. It does have a screw down crown. So it's, you know, the citizens in 11, the momentum's at 10, right? As we discussed, you just don't get that many extra points for a 300.
Andrew That's how we, damn it. We meant to do that. Next time we'll score all of our watches on our sliding scale.
Everett Next time. So I've got another watch. I've got another watch. I think you're going to like it. Do me. I think you're going to like it actually. Yeah. So this, this is an automatic. This is an automatic dive watch. It's a reasonably sized automatic dive watch. It's I think 44. Um, it has a Seiko NH35 movement. It's, it's a true diver in that it's 200 meters of water resistance, screw down crown, uh, attractive case, uh, crown guards. It's made out of titanium. It's got a black dial.
Andrew Oh my gosh, you're saying all my things.
Everett It's made by a Swiss company. Talk dirty to me. That's a song, isn't it? It is. It can be purchased for $108. Oh, shit. Invicta Men's 0420 ProDiver Automatic Black Dial Titanium Watch. Fuck, man. I did not know these things existed. There is a titanium ProDiver with an NH35 in it.
Andrew I actually did know that. And I looked at it and I scrolled right past it.
Everett And it's fucking awesome. Everything about it.
Andrew I just hear. OK. I hate the Invicta logo. Yeah, me too. I don't like Mercedes hands. We've talked about it. We have. We've talked about it. I don't know if we've talked about it on air. We texted about it for an hour.
Everett Recently, when I was trying to figure out if I needed to spring for Oh, that's great for aftermarket hands. Oh, my gosh. That makes sense. You're on the air live learning about the reason for that text message conversation.
Andrew And honestly, it didn't seem that out of place. Like, it just kind of seemed like it's totally something we talk about. Yeah. And like, what's the deal with Mark Hans? I was like, I don't know. I hate I hate it. And you we talked a little bit about like Like time and place. I just don't ever think it. There are very few occasions where the Mercedes hand fits. And I think that when you put it on an Invicta. And I don't know, man, I just it just doesn't. It doesn't do it for me. I would change the hands on this watch and I would love this watch to death.
Everett Maybe change the dial too. You could change the dial, right? Because it's a, you know, NH35 movement. So you could just put any old dag-ass dial in there.
Andrew If you only order one, it's no problem. That's right. Yeah, that's right. But no, I totally dig this watch. I could go for it to being a little smaller, but honestly, as a diver in titanium, 44 millimeters is like right on the top edge of what's acceptable.
Everett Oh yeah. No, totally. Especially in titanium. I mean, it's going to be... a a ton of fun. I think these are cool. You know, it's really cool to say it again.
Andrew That polished center link. Yeah. Yeah. I just stainless steel, honestly, against titanium. It very likely is rushed and would look polished. But that's a good pick, man. I really dig that. And that's a true diver. And that's really what titanium watches are meant for. All right. That's right.
Everett Tool watch corrosion, you know, corrosion resistance and lightness and
Andrew You could drop this at the bottom of the ocean. This could be on the wreck of the Titanic and you could pull it up and still look good.
Everett So what's your next watch there?
Andrew OK, so next up for me, I think you probably saw this coming and it is a it's a bit of a reach watch. I'm actually a little bit concerned that I have the most expensive watch on the list today. You certainly do. And it is the Helsin shark diver 38 titanium black dial. It's 650 bucks, but I love these and we were lucky to see one of these in person. And I know you weren't a big fan of the dial, but excuse me, as I said, I'm on the mend. If you don't catch the light just right and you can't see, the uh hammerhead shark embossed onto the dial this thing has a lot of the character has all the characteristics you'd expect out of a dive watch but it's small it's 38 millimeters yeah it's great it's on a bracelet it's got way too big of a ground guard i'm not a big fan of that but it's a titanium watch titanium titanium watch
Everett Titanium. I believe it's pronounced titanium.
Andrew That's why I'm saying it that way. I mean, everything about this watch is something you like. It's got a lot of familiarity in the way that you, it feels kind of SKX-y with the dots and triangles. It's got nice big hands, which you're going to appreciate in the 38 millimeter. And I got to say when I, when I, when Xander showed us this watch, I put it on I wasn't a fan of the bracelet. It's got, um, rather than a traditional oyster bracelet, it has flattened oyster brace, which I, I didn't like. And I felt like if they had kept that rounded edge or even gone presidential with it, that they would have been able to keep it as a little bit more of a versatile watch, but coming on rubber, this, this fits the need as a, as a cool as shit dive watch. And, I'm not a big fan of the font on the bezel, but that's that's an easy switch, right?
Everett Do they make this with an oyster? Zanders came on an H-Link.
Andrew No, Zanders was on like that weird ass. What's an H-Link?
Everett Yeah, it's an H-Link. So these these are H-Link, which which I think is fine. It's sort of the, you know, geometric like an oyster. Some similarities there, but.
Andrew My complaint stands, it's an H-Link. I either want it to be totally flat or rounded. I don't like the angles, the sharp angles on it, because everything else about this watch is so smooth. All the angles are rounded. I mean, barring the crown guard, it seems a contrast unnecessary with that flattened top H-Link. But it was a super comfortable watch, and if you go and look at pictures in it, they've um imprinted diving aesthetics into it whether he sharks and a diver and uh this watch is cool shit i love this watch i i uh when he let me try it on i i think i took off um my mako and i almost ran from the bar yeah yeah no it is it is it how fast are you right he was faster than you i bet yeah he's a little guy Well, he's taller than me. He looks definitely more, uh, conditioned.
Everett He looks fast. Yeah. He looks, you, you would have been done for. Uh, no, I, I think these watches are just incredibly cool. Uh, the, the dial is not for me. And frankly, the, the aesthetic is probably not for me in terms of a daily driver. Uh, you know, they're very angular, they're angular to a point. Uh, and it's purposefully, so I, um, I don't love that. But if I was doing, you know, certainly if I was a diver or if I was doing something in which elegance of case was not as important as it is to me, I think these are really neat. And being 38, it can get away with a little bit of that angular aesthetic too. It gets away with it just by way of being a little smaller.
Andrew Yeah, a little bit smaller. Uh, I don't know that this would be a daily driver, but I remember as I was looking at it earlier, you could actually choose between an ETA 2824 or a Miyota 9015, which I mean is, is kind of irrelevant, but a cool feature as your, as your buy-in watches. This also comes in a 40, If 38 is a little bit too small for you, but it is going to come in steel. The titanium is only available in the 38, and I really, really dig that 38 titanium.
Everett Yeah, no, it's fantastic. And the titanium works perfectly with the aesthetic, too.
Andrew Oh, yeah, it builds it. It builds it completely out.
Everett What have you got up next? My third and final watch. This is a watch that's not for sale at any retail locations today. This is not a watch that you can go to a Jomashop or perhaps Macy's and buy. Not even the Amazon, but definitely eBay. You can find this on eBay. This is a watch from the Citizen Company, which we know and love. And it's actually one of the very first eco drive watches. Uh, this is the Citizen WR200, water resistance 200, SolarTech 180. And these are amongst the very first solar watches. Uh, I think 1998, uh, Citizen introduced these, uh, they are absolutely phenomenal 90s style. dive watches. They're conservatively sized, 38 to 40 millimeters on most of these. The best versions of these are the two-tone versions. They've got a very, very 90s featured bezel. It's a milled or a machined bezel with raised sort of numbers and raised indices on the bezel, kind of a grippy bezel. Um, they come in two-tone, they come in just plain titanium. It's got a similar bezel integration or not bezel, um, lug integration to the Atlas that we talked about earlier, kind of a curvy lug integration. I think these things are outrageously cool. They're dated looking. They're dated looking, but they're dated looking in a way I love. I love. You can pick them up for $185 to $250 on eBay in very good condition. And these Citizen EcoDrive movements, even this first generation, are well known for just lasting forever.
Andrew Forever. They look really G-shocky.
Everett Oh, interesting that you say that. I don't see that.
Andrew That rounded case shape with the integration of the bezel look really G-Shock-y to me.
Everett That is a really interesting take. I disagree, but I don't know that it I mean, not in any sort of aggressive way.
Andrew Yeah, I'm not saying that there's I mean, I'm not a fan. But they look super G-Shock-y on a bracelet. Yeah, or like or like maybe even like they kind of look like the, uh, like the baby monsters.
Everett A little bit like that. Yeah, no, I find that comparison a little bit more apt, you know, but, but with that said, these do have a similar aesthetic to a watch that I didn't talk about today. Although I wanted to, uh, my, my MRG titanium JDM G-Shock, uh, we've talked about that too many times for, for me to have talked about it on the show.
Andrew I kind of figured he would talk about it today.
Everett Yeah. Because it was finally the right time and place. It was. Yeah. This is the right time to talk about that watch, but we've talked about it too many times. So, you know, these are a monocoque case and it's sort of the first development of solar implementation. So these dials look like a solar panel. They look like a solar panel in a way that modern eco drive watches tend to avoid. I just think these things are incredibly cool. I think they're really cool.
Andrew I mean, I can see why you do. And one's just not for me.
Everett Yeah, that one's like... Fair enough. And we're not always going to agree on watches. But yeah, you know, check these out. If you're listening, check these out because... But being the first Eco Drive, I'm really into that.
Andrew I love Eco Drive.
Everett It's such a neat movement. And this is really You know, one of the things that spiked that development, it had to do with the timing and where Citizen was going with its company. But I just think these are really cool. What do you got for number three?
Andrew My last up and it's the Bertucci 12022 A2T. I just love this watch.
Everett Yeah, it's a great watch.
Andrew I've had it in my shopping cart dozens of times, and the only reason I haven't bought it, it's just a... it's just a touch too big. Yeah, they're not small. I mean, that H-shaped case in 40 millimeters, it's just a touch too big. And I think really it's the lug-to-lug. Ooh, that bush light's giving me the burps. I think it's that lug-to-lug that's just a little bit too long for me, but every other aspect I absolutely love.
Everett And what is the lug-to-lug on these? Is it 51? It might as well be a hundred. Yeah, it's a long, it's a long lug-to-lug.
Andrew 49 and a half this says, but... It's a long lug-to-lug, the width is right, the lug width is right, but the lug-to-lug is like two millimeters too long for me because it just sits that covers the entire platform of my wrist. It feels a lot like a speedy on my wrist. And as we've talked about the standard size speedy isn't for me, even though I would love to own one because it makes it cooler. That's an objective fact. Yeah. I just can't, it's just a little bit too big or, or the lunar pilot, any of these really long lug to lug watches just don't work for me. But everything else about this watch I absolutely love. It's 100 meters of water resistance. The size is right for most people. It's got a super traditional field watch look to it. Four o'clock date window that I absolutely love. I mean, I don't know what's more to say about this watch. I love it. Anybody who's got a bigger wrist platform than me is going to love it. And it's 130 bucks on Amazon. It's, it's one of the, and I think when you, when you brought up the, uh, the Atlas, I think titanium works best in field watches because that's where that's a watch you expect scratches. You want that beat up used lived in look.
Everett Yeah. I love it. You know, I, I think that the thing I like about Bertucci is sort of, uh, schtick, I guess. Schtick sounds pejorative, and I don't mean it that way. But their whole emphasis is on reliability and ease of use, which is so obvious that it's almost elusive. But they've got these fixed lug bars. So, you know, you can't really get a bracelet in there. You can't really get a leather strap, although they make some options.
Andrew But really, you can wear leather NATO like any pass through is going to work. And you have that you have it on that Haviston every once in a while. Yep. Oh, that's a good look for it. But a leather pass through would work really well on this. Any kind of nylon. I mean, this is a watch meant to be worn on nylon.
Everett Yeah. Yeah, it is. It is.
Andrew And it looks killer. I think it'd look pretty good on like a natural leather pass through. But generally speaking, this is a this is a nylon watch because it's a watch you just want to like put on your wrist and bang into shit and know that nothing's going to happen.
Everett Yeah, no, that that's right. And certainly it is. And I know I don't have the A2T. I have the B1T, which is, I think, out of production now. Um, the A2T has a little bit more of a traditional watch shape to it. It's got a bezel, uh, on it that that's round. Um, and so it tends to, I think, be a little bit less obvious. Uh. It's still pretty H-shaped though. It is. Yeah, that's right. That's right. That's exactly right. So, well, well, cool choice, man. Uh, other stuff, what do you got? Ooh. Are you ready for it? I'm ready.
Andrew So I'm gonna talk about something a little bit different this week. Yes. Let's talk about a shaving cream.
Everett Oh, OK.
Andrew And gentlemen, and the few ladies that are out there listening, like the four of you. I don't know why you're still with us, but thank you for listening. I'm going to talk about C.O. Bigelow by ProRasso.
Everett Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew Specifically, the premium shave cream with eucalyptus oil. And for those of you who are still living in the smear some goo on your face and shave with a five blade razor, first of all, head on over to Badger and Blade and let your world be totally changed and consider going to a single blade, double edged, shaving style. So I typically shave with a brush and a single blade razor, uh, which means you got to do a little bit of work. You can't just like hop in the shower and run a razor over your face and call it a day. It adds like nine minutes to your morning shave or your morning routine on behalf of a shave, which is totally worth it. And I gotta say, uh, I've, I've gone through dozens of shaving creams, And there's two shaving creams I come back to with regularity, and one of them is the one that I've just talked about, C.O. Bigelow's Premium Shave Cream with Eucalyptus Oil, and the other is... A.K.A.
Everett Proraso, right? Which is what I've normally used. I've used the same shaving cream. I think you can get the Bigelow at Bath & Body Works, but you can get Proraso on Amazon or...
Andrew And that's why I get the CO Bigelow, because you can get it at Bath and Body Works. So I go there, pick up some lotion for my wife, seem like a hero. Really, I just bought shaving cream for myself. The other is Tabac, T-A-B-A-C, by MorinWords.
Everett You already know.
Andrew Yeah. Love it. Love it. So that's a shave soap. But I tend towards the CEO Bigelow shave cream because I want a little bit more of a lather on my face because I have the sensitive baby skin. And I got to say, guys, you can get a decent shaving brush for under 20 bucks and you can get a bowl from your kitchen. And this shaving cream for 10 money on the Amazon. For a tube, it's going to last you. I don't know, mine usually last like four or five months. Cause you don't need much. Like you put like a little, like an almond size bit out of what is effectively a tube of toothpaste into your bowl, lather that up, get it on your face. And it creates this great soapy, smooth, foamy lather on your face with eucalyptus oil that just brightens your day. It's especially great in the summer. Yeah. Um, but I used it, uh, I use it during the week in the winter and I love it. And if you're looking for a new shaving cream, or if you're just looking to try a shaving cream that's going to give you a nice, bright, fresh feel in the morning, this C.O.
Everett Bigelow with eucalyptus oil is money. A.K.A. Proraso. Yeah, it's my favorite of all the shaving creams. It's not the best shaving cream I've ever used. I think that there are better shaving creams. But with that said, the eucalyptus, that menthol, it's money. It's my favorite.
Andrew I think it's the best shaving cream I've used. It creates the right lather consistency that I want, because Tabac creates just a little bit too airy. Tabac? Tabac? I don't know. Tabac, yeah. Tabac creates just a little bit too airy of a lather for me. I want something that's really, really greasy.
Everett You know, I would guess, I would guess that there is some percentage, 20 to 30% of our listeners that are wet shavers. And so we're going to get all sorts of Instagram comments this week about what the best shaving creams are. I think that in the last five to ten years, there's been a renaissance of shaving soaps, and I think that there is some very, very high quality products on the market that put products like Tabac and Proraso to shame in terms of function. But with that said, there's something to be said for that old school stuff.
Andrew And I was actually thinking today as I was deciding on this as my other thing, I wonder what the crossover is between Badger and Blade users and WatchuSeek users is.
Everett And I gotta say it's pretty high. Occasionally, if I'm researching something on watches, I'll find myself on a Badger and Blade article or thread where someone at Badger and Blade is talking about watches and the comments are pretty intelligent. So I think you're right. I think it's pretty high.
Andrew I imagine it's a crossover because I can't imagine Watch people are just like geardos in watches only. I would imagine watch people, I mean, are like us. We're geardos in pretty much every every aspect of our existence. Yeah. So that's my other thing. It's a shaving cream. You don't have to be a wet shaver. You can be a five blader disposable kind of guy. And that's OK. I'm not judging you. I'm just saying you're missing out on a really great part of your morning routine. And if you want a shaving cream, it's going to be really nice. I go through it significantly more when I leave it in the shower. Yeah. Yeah, me too. When I do leave it on the shelf because my wife loves it.
Everett You know, you had said it lasts a really long time. I don't shave all that often. But what I do do is when I shave, I usually make too much on purpose. Oh, way too much. And because I'll shave first, I'll get in the shower, I'll brush my teeth in the shower, which people think is weird. I do brush my teeth. And then by the time I'm done brushing my teeth, I'm ready to shave. And so after I shave, I wash my body and I will you get back in the shower. No, I shave in the shower. OK, I shave in the shower. And then after I'm done shaving, I use the shaving soap to wash my body. That's weird. Yeah, no, it is weird.
Andrew Yeah, that's weird. Because it's not expensive.
Everett And you know, Proraso, it feels super nice on the taint.
Andrew On the business, I imagine. On the business. Oh my gosh, are you Rundle Proraso? Now I'm going to try that tomorrow.
Everett So my other thing, I watched a movie this week that kind of surprised me. I didn't expect to like it. Although I don't know why I didn't expect. I watched a movie called The King. which is a movie primarily about Henry the fifth. Um, and it's based on several, uh, Shakespeare plays. So it's based on Henry the fourth and Henry the fifth parts one and two. And it was very, very good. Now, my understanding is that it's very good as a piece of fiction and there's some controversy. There's some controversy about, uh, about the French sentiments expressed in In the King, and I'll just sort of gloss over that because I don't care. I know we have some people in France that listen to the show, not very many, but we do have some people in France, and so I'm sorry if this is offensive. With that said, this movie was so good. So, so stinking good. The lead character, Timothee Chalamet, a young fellow, I think that he is probably going to be one of the main the main pins in our next generation of young, good-looking, dynamic actors. He's got just a fantastic poker face. His acting chops are way up there. He's been in a number of things. I also saw another movie with him called Baby Boy recently, which was heartbreaking and tragic and also wonderful. But yeah, The King, very, very good. Surprisingly good. And I won't give it any sort of best of all time accolades or anything like that, but surprisingly good. I think it's a Netflix, straight to video, straight to Netflix type deal, but it is a feature length, very, very good film. Are you text messaging while you're podcasting? Yeah.
Andrew Because I muted myself. So I've watched the trailer for that about a dozen times. And my. Usual time to watch movies by myself is being taken up by podcasting. I was going to watch it tonight. I also watch started watching Raising Dion. With my wife. Yeah, that's really good. It's like a. It's kind of like a. It's like lost. but with a better story. Cause Lost had no story. Yeah, Lost had no story. It was just a bunch of shit. And I read this, I read this, uh, article with an, or this interview with one of the writers and they were like, yeah, no, it was kind of like a shtick there. Like we would just throw things in and, um, never intend to answer that question.
Everett Yeah, no, they never answered anything. The whole fucking show, they never answered a single question.
Andrew That was their thing. They were doing that on purpose, but raising Dion, they're kind of answering questions as we go. Um, kind of supernatural, kind of like, uh, I don't know, kind of the, the ilk of shows that are coming out that are like a little bit Armageddon-y, like story heavy, kind of like special individuals, like select individuals kind of thing. Definitely worth a watch up to this point.
Everett Well, as you're on your second other thing, which was not accounted for in the time, do you have anything else that you want to talk about today?
Andrew I don't.
Everett And I'm done. I'm it. It's over. Well, then I guess we probably better wrap it up. Thank you for joining us for this episode of 40 and 20. Feel free to check us out on Instagram at 40 and 20. If you want to support the show, patreon.com slash 40 and 20, that's where we get all the support for the show to pay for hosting. It's a modest amount of money, but it does, it does help, uh, more than you might know. Um, don't forget to tune back in next Thursday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Andrew Bye bye.
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