Episode 51 - Poor Man's Speedy

Published on Wed, 16 Oct 2019 23:30:00 -0700

Synopsis

This podcast episode discusses affordable alternatives to the Omega Speedmaster, affectionately referred to as "poor man's Speedmasters." The hosts go through several watch options under $300 that have design cues or aesthetics inspired by the iconic Speedmaster chronograph. They analyze and compare various models from brands like Seiko, Citizen, Casio, and Tissot, considering factors like size, movement, sub-dials, and overall look and feel. The discussion also touches on topics like the allure of mechanical and quartz chronographs, the popularity of the Speedmaster design, and the joy of hunting for affordable gems in the watch world. Towards the end, they share some other interests like unique knives, TV shows like "Succession," and movies/series focused on current events or social issues.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. This is the 40 in 20 podcast with your host, Andrew. I'm a good friend, Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett I'm all right, man. I'm all right. We watched the season finale of Secession tonight, right before you came over.
Andrew I haven't watched that.
Everett Oh, man. Golly, super good. I'm good, though. It's the end of the weekend. It's kind of Uh, that time where I'm lamenting having to go back to work proper. Uh, I did some work this weekend, but you know, it's like when you're, when you're weekend working, it doesn't feel like real working.
Andrew No, when you're doing it on your own terms, there's something to be said about going to work in sweatpants and no underwear. Yeah. You just can't do that Monday to Friday.
Everett Yeah, that's right. I was literally, literally wearing sweatpants.
Andrew And underwear or no underwear.
Everett I had underwear on, yeah. I'm not a fan. I'm not a fan of the free bawling.
Andrew It's all context for me. Like, just normal day-to-day life, gotta wear some undies. There's a lot of instances in my life where I don't go for the undies, though. Need that ventilation.
Everett Yeah, sure. You know, it's for whatever reason doesn't work for me, but I get it. I get certain people dig that for whatever reason. It doesn't work for me. I like the feeling. I love the feeling of putting on underwear.
Andrew I love brand new underwear, like just right out of the bag, take the tape off, put those things on. Yeah, it's nice. I like this, like brand new socks.
Everett Oh yeah, brand new socks are the best.
Andrew For some reason, we knew a guy in college and we had to go to this, you remember Brian, obviously, we had to go to this 30 day training camp between during the summer, between years of school. And I bought three bags of underwear of all like black and gray underwear to wear. And I for some reason this like when he said that he was there as I was packing my bags and I will never forget him saying, man, I can't wait to be there when you take off those underwear and you're all covered in lint. And I looked at him and I was like, what? Think about what you said. Like you're excited to see me like taking off my underwear. You're excited to see me covered in lint. Like why are you going to be there in the same place? Why is this something that gets you riled up? And also why am I going to be covered in lint? They aren't like woolen underpants. They're cotton underwear. It's not like they get linty when you wear them. It was just for some reason, I can always hear him saying that whenever I put on brand new underwear.
Everett He was that guy. He was that guy just that I loved him. I love him. But he was that guy that always just said the like, why are you saying this to me right now, Brian?
Andrew Yeah, just just weird, weird things like that.
Everett He had the worst timing of anybody I've ever met in my life.
Andrew But also, I mean, I could you could argue that it's perfect then. Yeah, that's right. It worked for him. Yeah. Well, did it? I mean, I don't know.
Everett It worked. How are you, man?
Andrew Good. I'm also lamenting the end of the weekend, but I had a, I mean, I woke up yesterday and I thought I was going to die. I almost texted you and said, Hey man, we're not going to be able to get one in this weekend. So let's plan for sometime during the week. Cause I just, I, I woke up with this just terrible head congestion that the rash is normal. That's an always thing. Uh, terrible head congestion. I couldn't talk. I thought I was dying. Uh, so some NyQuil and some decongestant in a heavily humidified room.
Everett Did you do, did you do a daytime NyQuil?
Unknown DayQuil.
Everett You did DayQuil.
Andrew Yeah. Did I say NyQuil?
Everett Well, you did, but I'm just wondering, I mean, cause sometimes I like to do that. Like wake up in the morning, I have a little NyQuil and just.
Andrew Just get the party started.
Everett Just power through.
Andrew Uh, yeah, no, I can't do that. I, uh, if I take NyQuil, I have about 80 seconds before I'm unconscious.
Everett Who was that? Who was that? There's a comedian that told a joke about Excedrin PM and... I was in 40-Year-Old Virgin.
Andrew You take two of them... Oh, yeah. ...and masturbate. Like, see if you can do it before you go to sleep. Seth Rogen. Seth Rogen, yeah. No matter what, you always win.
Everett Yeah, 40-Year-Old Virgin. Thank you for nailing it.
Andrew Yeah. So, but other than that, I'm good. I'm feeling better. Today I woke up, I mean, 90%.
Everett And you have two weeks left in the academy. Three. Three weeks. Okay. I'm sorry. But it's gotta be like the last week has to be kind of BS.
Andrew You know, you think that, you hope that. It's not. That's when they cram in like all the, oh shit, we, we wasted too much time up front.
Everett Right. So we have curriculum points that we need to get.
Andrew And we never got to. So strap in. Here we go. So yeah, it'll be a, it'll be a bit of a whirlwind for the next couple of weeks, which is good. I would rather spend eight hours just going absolutely bonkers, like nonstop thrill ride of activity, than hours and hours of, why am I here?
Everett So you learned about radar, radar.
Andrew Yeah, some radar. It's like we covered a lot of the science behind radar, which I'm not a smart man. I mean, you all know me, you know me better. I can understand most things, but like science and physics, that's mostly beyond me. And I, and you also know this character flaw about me. If I'm not inherently pretty okay at something right off the bat, I don't need it.
Everett You kind of lose interest.
Andrew Yeah. So this was one of those things where I just sat through while it happened to me.
Everett Did you learn about any good ways to avoid detection on radar?
Andrew There isn't.
Everett There isn't? Yeah. What about like the paints and whatnot?
Andrew Nah. They don't work. Nah, they don't work. They're like, yeah, they don't work.
Everett What about the things that you can put on your dash to at least tell you when it's coming?
Andrew So the range of radar is so great that by the time your thing is picking up that radar is in the area, you've already been hit by it. You've been pinged. So.
Everett Except to the extent that they're pinging other cars that are before you.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. So or like in the vicinity of.
Everett But if you're on a lonely, lonesome highway.
Andrew And it runs. East of Omaha. If it goes ping, you've already been hit. Oh yeah. Like you might as well not even hit the brakes.
Everett Well, that's too bad.
Andrew Yeah. It was good to learn though.
Everett I like the idea of that paint, you know, that you can, that you can avoid detection by anti-radar paint.
Andrew The science behind that is so odd though. I mean, like, and this is just like a basic understanding of, of radar waves. Why on earth would paint absorb a radar wave?
Everett I mean, I don't know.
Andrew It wouldn't. It can't. It just reflects it. Like it's not like the only way to defeat radar. is to get your car shaped like a B2 bomber.
Everett That'd be fun.
Andrew Yeah, that's about it.
Everett Could we do that to the Lexus?
Andrew Yeah, I don't know why we won't. The fact that we haven't yet, it seems irresponsible.
Everett All right. Well, so we're talking about watches this week. Yeah, we're talking about watches. Specifically, we're talking about we're talking about the Speedmaster.
Andrew Well, sort of.
Everett Well, aren't my version of the Speedmaster. We're not talking about the Speedmaster. We're going around about way of talking about the best poor man Speedmaster.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett Because not everybody, not everybody can gracefully get hit in a crosswalk.
Andrew No.
Everett By a Ford Ranger pickup.
Andrew And not everyone wants to spend the next four years saving every penny to buy that Speedmaster. Because I think realistically. Yeah, that's right. If everybody wanted a Speedmaster, you set your mind to it and you spend the next four years saving for it. you're gonna have a Speedmaster by four Christmases from now. I think that's reasonable to say.
Everett Yeah, and everybody's got different, everybody has different thresholds, but more or less, if you're in this hobby, you've got some free cash, you've got some disposable income, if you're in this hobby. And we do have some listeners, we do have some listeners that have kept their threshold very, very low. And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. In fact, I think it's admirable. It is limiting.
Andrew A little bit. It can be.
Everett It is limiting. But the world of watches under, say, about 150 bucks is actually pretty massive.
Andrew It's huge. And you have to be especially discerning to pick those gems out of all that. I think it's way easier to pick up a Richard Mille and be like, I'm so cool. I think finding some of these watches on the cheap, some of the watches that we've picked out today that are some of them as cool, some of them I think maybe even cooler than a Speedmaster, I think that's more impressive than picking up a quarter million dollar watch. Because I could never have a quarter million dollar watch, but I can have any one of these.
Everett Yeah, that's right. Well, you know, there's something to be said for that. There's something to be said for the hunt. I think that's sort of, that's one of the fun parts about what we do, right, is we look for that watch, we hunt for that watch, we read about specs, Uh, you know, it's like everybody's had that experience where you find the perfect watch. I found it. I found the one I want.
Andrew And then you order it and then, you know, you started the hunt all over again.
Everett Or, or, or you scroll down the page and you see that 47 millimeter, you know, and you're like, Oh, I did not find the watch. I might as well go stub my toe. Oh, it's 140 bucks. Those markers are beautiful. It's a screw down crown.
Andrew It's got 200 meters of water resistance. It's NECA quartz.
Everett Oh my gosh, 47 millimeters. You motherfucker. So, you know, what we do, what we do is, for this show, I think is sort of an extension of what we do for our own collections or what we have done. Now, I am actually, for today's show, I'm actually wearing a real Speedmaster. And I think... And when I say real, I mean the Omega version.
Andrew I would have been pretty annoyed if you hadn't for today. Yeah, right.
Everett But I will say, before I bought this watch, before I bought this watch, the total value of my collection, the total value, every single watch added up in terms of what I paid for it, in terms of what I paid for it was under $1,200. Before this one. And I did the math on it. And so some of those watches I got very cheap, you know, like I got my Bertucci for almost nothing. So basically a high five. That's right. Yeah, that's right. And I had gotten another watch, that Commander 300, I had gotten for almost nothing. And not almost nothing, but pretty affordable. So at the end of the day, I had some value in my collection, but the amount of money I'd spent was under 1200 bucks, and that's for like 15 watches. uh and and some of those I haven't really counted like at a time x that I didn't really count the price because I can't remember what it was $35 probably yeah that's right so so it's one of those things that uh and and I was pretty happy with my collection at that point I'm still you know take out the take out the Speedmaster I'm very happy with my collection this doesn't actually add all that much it's almost like a side collection right you can you can for not a lot of money have a very cool, satisfying, sexy watch collection.
Andrew But it takes time.
Everett But it takes time. You've got to be patient. You've got to be mindful of what's out there.
Andrew And be deliberate in your decisions.
Everett Yeah, that's right.
Andrew You can't just see it, buy it, and then somehow have a 47mm watch that you thought was perfect in every other way. Because that's just wasted money. You're never going to get that back
Everett Yeah, there's a titanium Citizen that I almost bought a handful of times over the years. I know that watch, yeah. It's just huge. It's just huge. It's got like this sort of Breitling-ish thing going on, and it's titanium. But I think it's like 45. And it's that watch that I'm just, every time I see it, I'm like, I should buy that. But I know I wouldn't like that watch.
Andrew Well, and that's, I think, part of Citizen's allure is they do pretty traditionally sized pilots' watches. They're all in that size. They don't reduce them down to fit that modern style. They're very much like IWC in that manner. They're unapologetic about their large pilots' watches, and as well they should be. That's what that style of watch demands.
Everett Yeah, that's right. And it's a mall watch, right? It's a watch for the masses. Yeah. A citizen's watch for the masses. Not all citizens, but they're sort of bread and butter.
Andrew That's how they make their money. That's right. If watch companies sold their watches to watch people, they wouldn't make any money. That's right. That's right. Because we'd all complain. If it was 200 bucks, I'd buy it.
Everett Yeah. It's a little expensive for a Miota. Yeah, that's right. So I guess we just start with the criteria. Yeah. The criteria. What is, when we talk about a poor man's Speedmaster, besides sort of having some sort of visual identity, that we can personally cross-reference to the Speedmaster. What are we looking for here?
Andrew So here was what I was looking for. I'm looking for a black dial, a black external tachymeter scale. Okay. I'm looking for generally a 369 subdial. And I want it to stay pretty close to the dimensions of the Speedmaster. Now I know the Speedmaster dimensions are almost impossible to replicate because nobody, for any reason, puts a 40 millimeter bezel on a 42 millimeter case or a 44 millimeter case. Just nobody does that because why?
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew Why would you do that? But the Speedmaster does it and they do that. So that's kind of where I was looking. I was looking for that, for that generally similar dimensions, similar aesthetic and affordable, right? Like, like what? Not a pure homage because there's plenty of alpha straight homages out there of the Speedmaster that are 129 bucks and they use the seagull. Wow. 1902 or something like that. Yeah, Segal 1901 or 1901. Yeah. So they use that. There's plenty of those out there. And if that's what you want, that's the true poor man speedy. But I think you can do better than a rip off. And none of these are rip offs. There are clearly at least the ones that I chose. And I've already seen the ones you chose. They're the same, not the same, but they're not rip offs. They're clearly inspired by or have similar design cues, but they're not straight rips of the speedy.
Everett Yeah, that's interesting. I don't think... I'm a little surprised that there are not more straight homages to the Speedmaster, because there's very few. Yeah. I think you had mentioned the Alpha. Is there an Alpha Omega? Yeah. There is?
Andrew Oh, yeah. It's a pure rip.
Everett It is? Okay. Yeah. Okay. But generally speaking, how many mil-sub homages that are respected watches that are virtually indistinguishable. You don't see that with the Speedmaster.
Andrew I think that speaks to the branding of Rolex versus Omega. I think, I think Rolex is a, I'm hesitant to say it because I don't mean this to be degrading towards Omega, but I think Rolex is a more universally identified luxury brand. And it has nothing to do with the, luxury nature of Omega, but I think you can take any asshole on the street and he's not going to say, Oh, is that a Speedmaster? He's going to say, Oh, is that a Rolex?
Everett Yeah, no, that's without question. That is, that is without question. True. The Rolex brand recognition is probably 10 times that of Omega.
Andrew And I think that's where it comes from. Those, that's why those homages are out there because Rolex is so much more front of mind to, I think the general consumer and homages, I don't I think are not necessarily made for watch people. They're made for the general consumer and then watch people tend to like many of them because many of them are very well done, but they're still taking from that universally recognized luxury item.
Everett Do you ever have that moment when we're recording and you say something and you think, you know what, people are going to disagree with me on that point and I need to correct what I meant.
Andrew That was exactly what I, why I said I hesitate to say this, but I'm doubling down on it.
Everett You know, I said 10 times the brand recognition of Rolex is 10 times. I think this has been quantified. Uh, I don't know. I think you're right. I intended that term to be hyperbolic, but also representative of the idea. So if, if it's something different than 10 times, feel free to shoot it to us and we'll, and we'll shut you out. But Rolex has more, I didn't mean 10 times as an exactly times 10.0.
Andrew I think it does. I think, I think Rolex has more Google searches than like the next three brands combined.
Everett Yeah. So it may be more than 10 times, but I guess, I guess I just wanted to correct when I said 10 times, I wasn't referencing a statistic. I was just saying a lot more.
Andrew We get it.
Everett I should have said a lot more.
Andrew 10 times more. I'm actually, I'm going to go with 12 times more.
Everett I'm feeling a little sensitive. 11.6. Okay. I'm feeling a little sensitive, obviously. Don't. All right. This is our podcast. This is our podcast. It's 10 times. So yeah, but it is more. It is certainly more. So yeah, I mean, I think that that's, uh, I think your criteria is a good one. Uh, some of your specifics, I, I think that I was a little bit more flexible than you were with in terms of the specifics. So you'll see, um, you'll see that, uh, one of my options doesn't have a, uh, one of my options doesn't have a, um, Oh, what do you call that? An external bezel. Um, I think I pulled it up. Yeah. Uh, so one of them doesn't have an external bezel. Um, one of these doesn't have three, six, nine. Uh, in fact, a couple of them don't have three, six, nine. So, uh, it's sort of, it's sort of nice to have certain goals, but I think I'm more one with just a generalist static.
Andrew Well, and I can, I can dig that. I think I have one that wasn't a three, six, nine. I don't know if it made it or not, but, um, it came down to meeting that kind of that general idea. Like I have that internal. tack meter scale and one that still has that kind of feel. You're not going to wear a Speedmaster, but this is going to damn well fit the bill.
Everett And I guess we should know one watch... Man down. Hey! Hey! One watch we are not going to talk about is the Dan Henry 1972, although we've pulled it out. And there's a couple of reasons for that, that I didn't bring it up in one of my choices. One is that it's an homage to the Porsche Orifina, which has been sort of replicated by other companies. You know, Zinn has a very similar watch. So I think this is a different enough thing that I took it off. But even saying that, there's other watches that we did bring up that fall into that same category.
Andrew It fits the bill. We're here buying the poor man's speedy.
Everett That's right.
Andrew Which doesn't necessarily mean it has to be a speedy.
Everett Right. So, so first and foremost, should we just talk about the 40 millimeter by 20 millimeter elephant in the room, which is, which is the SSB031?
Andrew I think we kind of have to. Yeah. Uh, I think this is the hands down winner. This is the winner. Of the poor man's speedy.
Everett We could turn, we could, we could press record and the recording right now and call it. Yeah. Cause this is the winner.
Andrew This is, I mean, I don't, I don't think there is, any watch out there that I have ever seen that comes closer in the way of aesthetic, in the way of feel, um, or in the way of poor man to, it's obviously a different watch. It's clearly designed after with the, with the Speedmaster in mind, but it's got a very different case shape.
Everett I mean, it's, it's different enough that there's, it doesn't feel like a rip off.
Andrew No, but it, it could pass for one.
Everett The lugs are different.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett The dial's very different. The pushers are different. The case shape is different. The bezel is different. The crystal is different. It is different in every measurable dimension.
Andrew But still feels like the poor man's speedy.
Everett But it feels like the poor man's speedy. I think that's right. Yeah. And I love this watch. I love this watch. Yeah. In fact, this watch was the inspiration for today's show.
Andrew It was. I was looking at it today and said, you know what? Because I was wearing it today. And I said, we should do Poor Man's Speedy because this is something that I think, I think the Speedmaster is a grail for a lot of people.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew And it can remain your grail, but you have options. You don't have to look at your wrist at your, at your bare boned wrist and say, man, someday there'll be a Speedmaster on here. When for 140 bucks in two days, You could have an SSB031 on your wrist. And this is coming in, it's got a 42 millimeter case. It's 11 millimeters thick, 18 millimeter lug width, and it's rocking a Mecaquartz.
Everett Mecaquartz, coolest, coolest. I think that's why, one of the reasons I like affordable chronographs so much.
Andrew Mecaquartz is dope.
Everett Because quartz chronographs are, they suffer none of the pedestrian feel. that you get with a standard quartz watch, right? You don't get the tick, tick, tick. And Mecaquartz, Mecaquartz is this super affordable sweeping option that you have.
Andrew And look at how smooth the sweep is on that second.
Everett It's beautiful. Do you know what's the beat rate on it?
Andrew Oh, I don't remember right off the top of my head.
Everett I think it's a 21. I think that's right. I think it's a 21, but it may be 28. But yeah, it's just got this beautiful sweep. It it snaps to when you press that stop and it snaps back to the top.
Andrew And you have that good tactile feedback when you actuate the pushers.
Everett Mecca courts. I just love it. I'm really intrigued by it. And I think for for affordable watch aficionados, it's got to be something that you're tracking.
Andrew My favorite part about it is that micro brands are embracing the Mecca courts right now. I love it. Cause you can do, you, you get so much without paying the mechanical price.
Everett That's right. And without some of the flaws of mechanical watches too, especially mechanical chronographs, you know, I have one mechanical, well, two now, but prior to the Speedmaster, I had that ST, I had that Ed 1963 and I've had problems with it. I've had problems with it. People have problems with mechanical chronographs. They're inherently problematic because there's a lot going on and there's a lot of movement and there's jarring and they're prone to problems. They're prone to problems. And I don't care if it's a Lamania based or a Valjoux or whatever, They're prone to, they're prone to issues, you know, which is why some of these famous quartz movement, these bulletproof or excuse me, mechanical chronographs have, have had the staying power they have because it's really hard to get that right. Uh, and, and innovations have been few and far between. And, uh, there's something beautiful about a Mecca quartz.
Andrew And once quartz came to, came to town, there wasn't a need to improve the mechanical chronograph movement. So quartz is more better.
Everett Start and stop. if you're so inclined at the SSB031. The size is perfect. You know, I was comparing size on these, and it's interesting. I suspect, although it's probably a little smaller, I suspect the SSB feels a touch bigger.
Andrew It's taller, but the nice part about the SSB is that lug to lug isn't as long, so it feels taller only. Yeah. Even though it's about the same height, it's just a couple millimeters shorter.
Everett Yeah, and it's not quite as graceful, obviously. Oh, no. It's not as refined by a long shot, but you get so much of what you're looking for in a Speedmaster out of that watch. And that bezel, that bezel is captivating. It's that ion-coated. And there are other versions of this. We always talk about the 031 because it's sort of black on black, and we like that. I like that. But there are other options of this. There are other versions of this. that do very similar things. And the SSBs, if you're looking at Mecca Quartz Seikos, the SSB line is, oh, I think are all very conservatively sized, under 42. Yeah, I dig it. I dig it, man.
Unknown What do we got next?
Everett What do we got next? Next we have, maybe this is the actual elephant in the room. It could be. Because it's big like an elephant.
Andrew It's too big. It's even bigger than the Speedmaster. And I've said it before, I'll say it again. the standard Speedmaster is just, it's too long lug to lug for me. I don't like it.
Everett And you know, that's interesting because it isn't for me and it's objectively that way for you. It's not subjectively too big for you. It's objectively a little bit too big for your wrist.
Andrew I think it's my wrist shape. I think I have rounder wrists and you've got like flabby, like flab, like slab wrist.
Everett Our wrists have the same circumference. Yeah. But yours is a little rounder than mine. I've got a little bit more of a tabletop. And you've got a little bit more of a tube. Yeah. Spaghetti arms. And it winds up just wearing a little big on you.
Andrew And it bums me out.
Everett And this watch, this Bull of a Lunar Pilot, which many of you guys will have known, if not owned, is worse.
Andrew It's so much worse. It's worse. And it's a big case, too. So the Lunar Pilot, it's the 96A225. It's 45 millimeters wide, 13 and a half thick. 22 lug width, and it wears every bit of it.
Everett And it's like 75 lug-to-lug.
Andrew Yeah, it is. I forgot to write down the lug-to-lug on these because that's an important dimension. No, it's 75. No, I think that's accurate, yeah. But I remember putting this on, and I was prepared to buy one of these. And I put it on, and I just felt heartbroken because it sucked.
Everett You know, it's one of those things that you read. If you're reading about this watch, you'll read it. People say, Oh, it's too big for me.
Andrew And, uh, It's going to be too big for you, but not for me. Cause I'm perfect in every way.
Everett That's right. You feel inclined to disregard that, but this watch is too fucking big.
Andrew It's just too big. Yep. It's too long. It's too wide.
Everett And I think I appreciate what, uh, Bulova did with this. Uh, they, they made this really true to their source material, which was kind of a one-off, right? They made this really true to their source material, and that's commendable. But this is one of those cases where I wish they would have strayed from that.
Andrew Because if they brought it down to 40 millimeters... Or 42. Yeah, 40, 42, shunk down that lug to lug a little bit, I would own probably two of the black on black.
Everett Yeah, that's right. You know, it's because it's a really sexy watch. It's a really sexy watch. I think it's easy to be inclined to say this is a sort of homage to the Speedmaster, but in many respects, it's not. It's a contemporary. It's a contemporary and it's totally its own thing. And, you know, I'm not going to get involved in who was first or whatever, because I don't think that's important for our conversation, but it's got credibility, right? Going back to an actual lunar mission. Scott, what's Scott's first name? But you know... Yeah, I can't remember.
Andrew Yeah, so I'm going to move on. Lieutenant Colonel Scott, that's all that matters.
Everett But this has got, you know, bona fides, as it were. And that's really cool. But at the end of the day, it's not a practical watch for wearing.
Andrew Not for fellows our size. If you've got a little bit flat wrist, a little bit bigger wrists. I know we've got some listeners who say if it's under 45, it looks like a ladies watch.
Everett Yeah, Oversteer, someone like that who likes a bigger watch.
Andrew These watches on Amazon right now are 330 bucks. Totally affordable. 300 bucks on Jelma Shop, and they look great. You don't see pushers like that really anywhere else.
Everett Yeah, I think that's my favorite element of the watch is the pushers.
Andrew I wish they would do it reduced.
Everett Yeah, I think So I'm reading here, 52 millimeters is the lug to lug. Fuck me. Which is a little bit less than 75, but not much.
Andrew Only a little.
Everett You know, in the grand scheme of things, they come out with this watch in 42 and maybe 50 or 49 or even 50. It's going to make it a lot more manageable because it is kind of a long case. You know, do a reduced version, right? Because it's a little thick. It's a little thick.
Andrew It's a little... It's 13 HIFE. It's the same thickness as the Speedmaster.
Everett So it's all there, right? Give me just a touch smaller. It's got that 262 Hertz movement. This thing would be super cool if it wasn't so stinking big.
Andrew It's such a bummer. I've never been that heartbroken about a watch.
Everett In terms of putting it on.
Andrew Yeah. You were there to observe it. I just watched the crushing blow dealt to me. Because we're in Mexico, so everything's like buy one, get six free. I was like... Right. Pay RP, but... You get nine watches.
Everett Right.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett That's right. You know, I think we were trying to do the math on it, right? At one point, we were like seriously considering buying six watches because it felt like, well, if we buy all six of these, we can actually save money.
Andrew And it came out to Amazon prices, we would have saved like 30 bucks. Right.
Everett It was like a very slim discount on Amazon.
Andrew Because you pay RP on these things and holy shit. Yeah. The RP on the Lunar Lander is 540 bucks. Yeah, 540. You get it for 300 money on Amazon.
Everett Yeah. You know, the crazy thing is there's people paying RP on it. In Mexico to buy a second one for free. Right, because you're in Mexico and the wallet's open. Oh man, it's open. Right. Our wallets were open. We didn't buy anything, fortunately. But it was like, well, I could buy a watch.
Andrew I could buy two watches for the price of one. I think our wives were there. Can you imagine if we'd been there? Just who? Oh, man. Oh, I got sideways debauchery.
Everett Yeah. So, yeah, I've got a watch. Yeah, this is a watch you can't buy anymore. Well, you can. You you can buy this. You can buy this on eBay. And furthermore, so this is a watch by the Casio company. There there are watches that are similar to this that you can buy in like, I think, Walmart today.
Andrew Yeah, there's a handful in the edifice line.
Everett So this this is the Casio edifice. I think it's edifice.
Unknown You think so?
Everett Yeah. Bruschetta. Oh, yeah. It's the Casio Edifice, the EF503. This watch has been discontinued for a number of years. It comes in a number of colors. It comes in a nice like sort of champagne-y white dial. It comes in a blue on blue. This is the black on black, the 503D-1AV. $120 new. You can pick these up in about the same range in like-new condition on eBay pretty regularly between $105 and $140, and it's a killer deal. So this is a Casio Quartz movement. It's an edifice. This is, I think, for what we're doing today, the closest to a straight homage, although there are a number of differences with this watch. The 6912, namely. That's right. That's right. And the red second hands. It's got both a red big seconds and a red small seconds hand. But it's got similar stick markers. It's got a reduced bezel. Yeah. I mean, this thing, it's got twisted lugs, which I think is probably the thing that lends it the most homage-y feel.
Andrew And without a crown guard? Even has kind of the same silhouette.
Everett Yeah. Minus the crime card. That's right. That's right. So it's a, it's a symmetrical case. Uh, so that's a little different, but this thing feels like a, a very, uh, loving homage. It feels like a loving homage. They've done their own thing, but lovingly called on, uh, and, and certainly been derivative in many senses to the Speedmaster. Now, It's a 40 millimeter watch or 41 and a half, I think, all things said and done. 41 and a half millimeter. I do believe it has 22 millimeter lugs, which I don't love. I'd like this watch better with 20 millimeter lugs, but... That's the case with all watches? Yeah, that's right. 22 millimeter lugs have sort of, you know, it's a specific application. Dive watches, I'm good with it. But even more and more, I really like to see those 20 millimeter lugs. And I don't know That's a personal taste, but it seems like there's maybe a trend that direction.
Andrew I think it's because I'm also accumulating a lot of 20 millimeter, uh, shoes for my watches. So I have more in that variety than I do in 22 and I like the diversity.
Everett Yeah, no, I'm in that same boat, right? Where I've got more 20 millimeter straps, but I've got quite a few 22s as well. So it's not, it's not a straight, versatility thing for me, but I just like the way a 20 millimeter strap wears. Yeah, I just like the I like the way it wears. So that's obviously subjective to the Max.
Andrew All of that Barton bands, the silicone elite in 22.
Everett Pretty money. It is. Yeah, no, that's a great strap and it looks fantastic on your Mako.
Andrew So is that orange NATO?
Everett Oh, yeah. Is that the I forget who it is. The Zulu. That's the Clockwork Synergy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great, that's a great strap. That's a great strap. It's got that chunky feel to it and the oval, oval keeper. So Casio EF-503, this is very classic round shape. It's worth a look if you're on the hunt still for a poor man's speedy and for whatever reason, the SSB doesn't work for you. I think this is probably the second place you go because I think 99% of people are going to look at the lunar pilot and say, no, you're going to look at it and love it, but then you're going to see it in person. You're going to Fred Meyer and you're going to try it on and you're going to go, Oh, so I think you are going to dig that, that if the SSB is, is one you don't like, then, then check out this five Oh three. Cause like I said, you can still get these on eBay almost all the time. Um, I think this is a great second choice.
Andrew Ooh, Ooh, Ooh. I like this too.
Everett Yeah, so this is another Citizen. This is the AN088057E. This is also a discontinued model. This thing is sort of right smack dab in between the EF503 and the SSB031 for me. Much harder to find these. So these are in the Oxy series from Citizen. 10 bar, um, it's a 10 bar watch, water resistance watch, which I really like that they give you that extra water resistance. Uh, in my mind, in my mind, this splits the difference between the 503 and that SSB 031. It's got a case that's a little less derivative.
Andrew It's got a really similar case to the SSB. Very, very slabby. Uh, that that bezel on it, I imagine, would patina so well.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew And just that gentle domed crystal. I'm really digging because that's I've thought about a domed crystal for the SSB because I feel like it would just be the last little bit to get that full pop because I love the dome and the Speedmaster. Anyway, continue.
Everett Yeah, well, that's it. I mean, it's this is a very cool watch. I don't have a whole lot to say about it. It's got a zero five one zero citizen movement. uh, courts, obviously, uh, no red. If you're looking for an option that doesn't have any color, you know, you know, one of the things that some people don't like about the SSB and certainly that 503 is the, is the pop of red, um, which I think cheapens the package for some people, the citizen doesn't have that. Uh, the citizen doesn't have this. In fact, this thing is very subdued. It's got a crown that's very similar to, um, It's got a crown that's very similar to the Speedmasters. It's got pushers that feel very similar to the Speedmasters. It's got an oyster, sort of polished middle link oyster thing going on that I don't love. But it gives it a little bit of class.
Andrew Yeah. And the dimensions on it?
Everett Yeah, the dimensions. 39 millimeters. This thing's great. 39 and 20. This thing's great. It's probably going to be similar size to a reduced. That's my guess. So a little bit smaller. What are you going to have money for that? You know, I did not actually find one of these on the eBay. Uh, I suspect you can pick these up in the 200 to $300 range in pretty good shape though.
Andrew And probably it has about that look to it. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. So it's got a movement that's going to last forever. Find one in good shape that's not, you know, ate up and, and just wear the shit out of it.
Andrew Be so happy. Send us pictures too.
Everett Yeah. So there's one more watch, and this doesn't fit the build that I picked for today before we move on to a couple more options for, from you. Um, and this is a watch that I sort of looked at for a long time. Uh, it doesn't feel like a Speedmaster to me. Uh, it doesn't feel like a Speedmaster. However, I think it does some really similar things. There's a line of Seiko's called the S N D A line, and they've got like a 27, a 57, a 67, um, You know, most of these are blasted cases. These have a very, very Sin or Zin 356 look to me. Zin 356? Whatever the Zin field pilot.
Andrew Yeah, I'm trying to grab it.
Everett I can't I can't pull it down out of the... And they actually don't look all that much like the Zin, but they feel very similar. So blasted case, kind of a field case. It's a field chrono. Yeah, that's right. It's like a field chrono. And I think for me, at some point I looked at this and it felt like this would fit in the same general spot in my collection. If you're inclined to the look of a Zen versus the look of a Speedmaster, I think this is a great option. You cannot find these things new anymore. It doesn't have a tachometer though. It doesn't have a tachometer. That's right. So it is not a racing chronograph. It's much more of a pilot chronograph style. I think that fairly a lot of people think the chronograph or the tachymeter is a stupid complication. And I don't know that I disagree.
Andrew It helps you drive on the freeway when you're driving those long stretches of nothing to do.
Everett Have you ever tried to use the tachymeter on the freeway?
Andrew I use it all the time between mile markers. Oh, all the time. Because I drive 120 miles a day. Yeah, no, I use it all the time.
Everett Yeah. So is your speed is your speedometer accurate?
Unknown Yeah.
Everett Yeah, my my Lexus is like 10 miles per hour slow. No, it's not. Is it really? It is. Yeah. When it tells me I'm going 55, I'm going 65. Oh, yeah. I don't get you out of a ticket. I don't know that it will.
Andrew It won't.
Everett No, no. I mean, it certainly will get me out of the ticket. It may get me out of the conviction, but it's not going to get me out of the ticket.
Andrew Oh, no, you know, you're getting it.
Everett And then and then I can go and say, Judge, I got this correction. Here's a note from the mechanic. But that's a lot of work. I should just get it fixed. I know it. I know it's a thing.
Andrew As long as you know it. Did you learn it at a at a check your speed radar alongside the road?
Everett No, uh, no, I just felt at some point I was like, why does it feel like everybody has gotten really slow? Oh, why is everybody driving so slow? And I realized one day I was going like, um, I was going like 35 quote, what you believed to be 35, 35. Uh, and I was like, this is, I feel like I'm flying. Uh, and these cars are going slow and they're all going slow. And I, and I did the speedometer thing. I did the speedometer thing on the freeway. Not valuable. S N D A 57. I think 65, 27. There's a few different versions, but S N D A, a sin style chronograph. It is in style chronograph. People get, people get freaked out about that.
Andrew So next, sir. Next up, we got another one and this is a, uh, an interesting subdial layout. It's three, six and nine, sort of. It's more like two, six and 10. Big sub dials. It is the Tissot V8 T106.417.11.051.00. Can we complain again about the Tissot reference numbers? They're worse than Casio. They're absurd. Like they're trying to be Rolex. We have the 96.51. Come on. There's just no way they've had that many iterations that they know they have 18 characters.
Everett So has probably released more watches than any other company besides maybe citizen.
Andrew But do you need 18 characters in your references? I don't think so. This is a 0.00. What are they planning on like a 0.5? Fuck it. Anyway, we've talked about this watch before. We have talked about the V8 before and the price on this V8 is again sub 300. Yeah. It is, you know, it's on the spendier side of the affordable, but in the way of a poor man's speedy, this is it really similar feel. It feels to me a little bit closer to the SSB, but like we talked about, it's got the subdued colors. It's just that black and cream. It's got a crown guard, which I could do without in this in this style stainless markers, which I which is different and I dig it and I love the hands those hollowed out kind of swords that are on there. And again, just a really If you need more refined than the SSB and you're looking to, again, stay in a pretty similar price range to the sub 300, this is where you're going to get that refinement. You don't get that ionized bezel, which is a bit of a bummer, but you're getting still a cool external tachometer scale. And it is, it's refined. This isn't a dress watch by any means, but it's dressable.
Everett And it's Swiss.
Andrew Yeah, and people dig that. It's got Swiss right on it.
Everett And I think this is the one that they sell in various team colors too, right? You can get a Blazer's version of this.
Andrew Like they do the, I think there's- No, it's the step down from this that they do the team colors in.
Everett Okay.
Andrew Cause those are like 150.
Everett They are, they're a little bit less money, but I think that they are still this same, the same V8.
Andrew It's a V8, but it's a, it's a step down V8.
Everett Okay. Well, there you go. Anyway, I agree with you. Very cool watch. The size is good.
Andrew Yeah, it's, what do we got? 42 and Hyfe. 42 by 20.
Everett Case, 22 lug width. Oh yeah, 22.
Andrew 11 and a quarter thick. Nice and thin. It's got an ETA G10212 in it. Yeah, this fits the bill. If you can't go SSB for me, we're going to go the SSB, the Lunar Pilot, and this in my order of ranking for the best replacement for a Speedmaster.
Everett You're going to leave the 503 off your list.
Unknown I am.
Everett All right.
Unknown I am.
Everett Yeah. I like the butterfly clasp on this, you know, you know, butterfly clasp always feels like something that I've never owned one. I've never owned a butterfly clasp. So it always feels like something kind of special when I see a watch that I'm considering that has it.
Andrew I've tried a couple on. I really like them. All right. Nexties. What do you got next? Nextie. Seiko ReCraft, the SSC669, and this is kind of a step away from the general aesthetic of the Speedmaster. It's got the internal tachometer scale, but again, that black on black, and I think everything about it's different. It's the same way we were talking about that Seiko that you pulled up. Everything about it's different, but it still can fill that void. And this is just a good, sexy racing chronograph that If you can't put a Speedmaster on your wrist, this will fit, and it's coming in at sub 200 bucks, 180-ish money. Comes on a nylon pass-through with an orange stripe down the center, which just gives it a little bit of extra sexy.
Everett This feels a little bit more Hoyer to me than Omega, which is not a criticism.
Andrew It's probably closer to the Dan Henry. But again, it's going to fill that void. And again, those hands. Man, I love those hands.
Everett Yeah, they're like a skeletonized a skeletonized head. You know, I really like the solar, the solar, the implementation of the solar panels into the sub-dials, which seems like a very obvious thing, but it works really well here.
Andrew Yeah. And it's, it's Seiko. They do all this shit really well.
Everett Yeah. Good watch. Good watch.
Andrew What's the size on this? 43 and a half. It's a little big, but it's forgivable up to 43 and a half. Yeah. Yeah. about 44 is when it starts to get too big.
Everett Now this says it's got a 21 millimeter strap. Do you think that's accurate?
Andrew I tend to think not. That's, that would be very un-Seiko.
Everett It would be.
Andrew Uh, I, I tend to think it's probably 20.
Everett It happens though, right? They, they do that from time to time. So, uh, I like this. They have a bad run of cases. I'm like, fuck, I know we'll do. Comes in sort of a PVD gunmetal finish. So I like that. Also these pictures on Amazon are It's like they didn't fucking clean the lodge.
Andrew All right. Why would they? It's Amazon. They don't care.
Everett So final watch, this is cool. This is cool. This is a citizen watch. It reminds me a lot of your Avion. It does. It reminds me a lot of your Avion.
Andrew And which makes sense because it's a citizen and they all kind of have that same DNA within them. But again, this is wholly unlike the Speedmaster. We have a 12.69 sub-dial set.
Everett We gotta tell people what it is.
Andrew Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Everett It is the... CA0649-14E. So this is just a standard sort of tachymeter bezel looking... It's very generic feeling to me. Very, very generic feeling to me.
Andrew Yeah, which is... And at 150 money, it gets to be. This is still a good looking chronograph. It's not necessarily going to perfectly fill that Speedmaster void, but it's another option. If you're not looking for that same Speedmaster feel, but you're looking for a classically styled, attractive, but still a splash of red in that 12 o'clock sub dial and in your nine o'clock with your markers, I think this is a really good option. And on the website it says it's 26 millimeter lug width,
Everett I don't think that's right.
Andrew We found a couple of reviews that do say it's a 22mm lug width, which makes a lot more sense because this is a 44mm case. A little bit on the big side, like we just said, about 43 and a half is pushing it for me, but everything about it just says sweet racing chronograph. It comes on a black rally strap and Citizen's straps, my experience with them has been very positive.
Everett They tend to be pretty good. Their entry level straps are fine. I like the big pushers on this. I like that big fucking crown. It's got a big crown like that AB on. The polish on this thing is in the right places. The font is interesting, I think is a fair word for it.
Andrew I really like the lugs on it. Just nice, basic, long lugs on it.
Everett Long and sort of geometric. Um, I like it, man. I like their use of red, the asymmetric use of red. Uh, there's a red ring around the second, uh, around the second sub dial and then red dashes above the, the hours sub dial. I think this is great. I like the implementation of, of all the sort of odds and ends and bits and bobs and always room for the eco drive. Yeah. Always room for the eco drive, uh, which is a little, whatever. But I do like that it's eco drive. Those last two picks you have, that Seiko Recraft, um, the, the SIC 669 and this Citizen, uh, Bryson is their nickname for it. Both solar movements, which I'm all about that. I'm all about that. Especially if you're the kind of guy that's going to wear one or two or three watches.
Andrew Um, I love that. Even if you're not, you just set it on top of your dresser and it's going to get enough light to hold a charge.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett Yeah. Very cool. Very cool. Well, uh, I think that's all of them, you know, a shout to the Dan Henry 72. We're, we're not going to talk about this in the show, but I think that it's also a great, a great sort of daily driver.
Andrew Does he have a black version of that?
Everett He does. Yeah. It's the red hand. That's the, the probably more, uh, faithful homage to the Porsche Orfina source material. Uh, it's got a red second hand, uh, versus the blue on the, on the, stainless colored one. But yeah, that's, that's the, the more top gun. Yeah. I'm faithful option.
Andrew Another good one to fill the void.
Everett Yeah. Very cool. Do we got, uh, do we got anything else we need to say about these watches today?
Andrew That's all for the poor man's baby.
Everett Other stuff. My man, Andrew go other things.
Andrew Yeah. I'm sorry. It's okay. I have been, uh, back perusing the Instagram, uh, and perusing some knife makers on Instagram.
Unknown Oh.
Andrew And there is a fella. Oh. Called Black Rock Knives. Oh yeah. And we've talked about him maybe on this show before, but even if we, even if we have talked about him, I want to talk about him again. So this guy does all his own smithing of these knives and these knives are, um, To call them works of art, I think would be a bit of an understatement and they're not works of art in the way that you would imagine. He's done a few Damascus, but he does these just really unique. And I forget the style that these knives are called, but they look almost like they're chipped obsidian in the, in the way he finishes them. And they are just beautiful. So if, uh, you've saved some money. by buying a poor man's speedy, you can shell out many hundred dollars for one of these guys blades. And it's at black underscore R O C underscore knives on Instagram. I think he sells them all through social media. I don't know that he has, uh, it seems like all the knives that he puts on social media are already spoken for. He does a lot of custom orders. He does a lot of, Hey, I've got one of these left who wants to buy one. Uh, and they are all so cool. He doesn't, all kinds of different styles, colorways. Um, and I imagine even if you reached out to him and said, Hey, this is what I'm looking for. He would, he would probably get you on his list, but he does some really cool shit. And I've spent a lot of time on his page this last week, just drooling over these knives that I will probably never be able to afford.
Everett So mostly like a kydex or, or, or composite handles, but yeah, the way they're ground, they're ground with a texture, you know, a really fine, radius grinder at at sort of random intervals to give you texture uh uh he doesn't do any folders does he um i haven't seen any folders but i think he hang on i'm scrolling you know you talk about your other thing and i'll see if i can find a folder you know for me that's always a pass is a fixed blade knife i've got no need in my life for a fixed blade knife uh i don't really hunt the way you do If I did buy a fixed blade, it would be a fillet knife for harvesting trout. But even then, do I really need that in my life? He does some cleavers. But they're not folding cleavers, are they?
Andrew No, but you could use a cleaver in your kitchen.
Everett Your keto. I want a friction folding cleaver.
Andrew Gerber does a really cool one.
Everett A friction folding cleaver?
Andrew Yeah. Really? Cleavers are kind of in these days.
Everett Yeah, cleavers are.
Andrew I have some friends who really like them for cleaning waterfowl.
Everett Cleavers? Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I feel like the hot knife that I was like, that's stupid that it was hot. But in the last couple of years was the competition chopper. Everybody wants a competition chopper. And I'm like, that's a totally fucking impractical knife except for competition chopping.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett But I mean you need a point on your you need a point on your knife to do most of the things that you want for a versatile knife. Unless you're looking for a knife to like use for chopping wood.
Andrew Yeah but I think that point can be like on a cleaver edge. You don't need a drop point. It can still be a square point as long as there's a sharp corner.
Everett I'm not going to be convinced.
Andrew How often do you use the point of your drop point chef's knife?
Everett I don't know.
Andrew Like never. I don't think I ever get past, like really past the second third of my chef's knives.
Everett Yeah. I'm not sure. I think that.
Andrew And think about the, do you have a Santoku?
Unknown I do.
Andrew I mean, how often do you use the tip of that?
Everett I don't know.
Andrew Never.
Everett I don't use it very often.
Andrew All your work is by the heel.
Everett I use my chef knife. I have two chef knives, a 10 and an 8, and I use those for everything.
Andrew Yeah, and everything's by the heel. Perhaps. I want one.
Everett All right. So my other thing, I actually mentioned it earlier, but Succession is an HBO show, and it is just absolutely wonderful. So this is a show about the worst people on the face of the earth. It's about a show of rich media spoiled brats and their rich media owning spoiled dad.
Andrew So it's about our kids.
Everett It's about us nowadays. Yeah, that's right. That's right. It's about what our kids will turn into in 25 years. You know, it's so outlandish and yet you know that it's reality for the, you know, 0.1 percenters or whatever. You know, the dynamics of their family and this, you know, the title is instructive on what the show is about. It's all about the succession plan for this company, ATN, which is a media company that shares a lot of features of Fox News, I think, and probably some other media companies. You know, it's not a It's certainly not an homage to Fox News, but I think there are some elements of that. But this family is just rich and out of touch. And, you know, sometimes they're out of touch is tongue in cheek, you know, where you can tell the characters are self-aware of their out of touch and other times not. There's this scene where in the last season, there's this scene where this fellow goes to a Four Seasons somewhere in the Middle East for a business deal, and there winds up being a mini coup, and he gets sort of held hostage, and he comes back and says, you know, I've had worse hotel experiences than that. One time I stayed at a Marriott. You know, and you can tell it's tongue-in-cheek, right? He's self-aware of how ridiculous it is, but there's other things like that that are less, they're less aware of. their out-of-touch personalities. Anyway, the show is really good. It's this classic familial power struggle, but with kind of new and contemporary ideas, and it's just been a lot of fun. The writing is really, really good. You don't want to like any of the characters, and you wind up liking some of them and not liking. There's no perfect characters. All the characters are deeply flawed, Um, maybe not deeply flawed, but all the characters are flawed. And, um, it's got that sort of David Simon type feel to it. Uh, where you've got these imperfect characters that are just sort of moving through life in this exciting way because of the life, because the, the, the elements of the life. Very fun. Uh, very good show. I've been super happy with it. We just finished up the season finale for season three, I think. That sounds right. I haven't watched any of it yet. Anyway, very good television. Very, very, very good television.
Andrew Did you watch The Newsroom on HBO?
Everett Holy shit, man. Yes. Okay. Yes. Good. Y'all need to check that show out, too. The Newsroom is so good. You know, The Newsroom got caught up in its bullshit from time to time, but very, very good.
Andrew That's a challenge of writing a show based on reality. That's not a reality show.
Everett Yeah, I think that the newsroom suffered from some hubris. Newsroom? The newsroom? I can't remember. Whatever it is. It suffered from some hubris. It was a little in love with itself from time to time, and that was off-putting to me.
Andrew Yeah, I mean, it was trying to make political commentary from not a satirical point of view. It was trying to be like a serious version of South Park.
Everett Yeah, that's right. I think that's fair.
Andrew That's fair. And that's hard to do.
Everett It is hard to do. It is hard to do. And I think it's hard to do. South Park, there's always that element of self-deprecation in what they do, which you can't do that in a serious way. So yeah, I think you nailed it. That's a that's a difficulty. But Newsroom, oftentimes I felt like, OK, you guys are pouring it on a little thick here. But I loved it. I loved it.
Andrew Season one was phenomenal. Yeah, I loved it. And in true to form fashion, season two of most HBO shows, doesn't live up to season one.
Everett Have you watched The Deuce? Can we just rap about some shows that we haven't rapped about?
Andrew I haven't watched The Deuce yet.
Everett So Kim and I are about three or four episodes into that, and the episodes are pretty long. But golly. Super good. What's it about? Super good. It's about the sex industry in the late 70s, early 80s. Prostitution and pornography and I think it's about misogyny a little bit, in sort of broad strokes. Yeah, also very good. So James... Oh, what's the name of the guy?
Unknown I don't know.
Everett Super famous actor, James... Earl Jones. James Earl Jones. Yeah, you guys will know who I'm talking about, or if you don't, just look up the... Gyllenhaal. No, more famous than either of those guys right now.
Andrew Morgan Freeman.
Everett Morgan Freeman, that's who it is. Anyway, also Maggie Gyllenhaal, not Jake Gyllenhaal. Oh, how about that? But Maggie Gyllenhaal, very, very good. Yeah, we'll talk about that more. That's going to be my other thing someday. I'm not there yet. I haven't watched enough episodes for that to be my other thing.
Andrew Did you watch Unbelievable? Nope. Do watch that, the Netflix special. Okay. Very good. Have we talked about that already? No.
Everett We're using up all our other things.
Andrew Whatever. Uh, it is a Netflix original that highlights, uh, kind of, kind of in two time periods. Uh, there, so in time period one, this, uh, young woman in Washington gets raped, uh, like apartment invasion, tied up, raped, calls the police. The detectives look at it and they're like, yeah, he didn't get raped, man. That just didn't happen. So that's timeline one. Timeline two is this rapist strikes in Colorado and this detective... I think this was your other thing one week. It might have been. Anyway. It sounds super familiar. Timeline two is this detective catches a rape case and starts working it and finds a similar case somewhere else in Colorado and they start working together and then this all culminates with the solving and ultimate capture of this fella.
Everett I've either seen this or this was your other thing one week.
Andrew You may, I don't know if you've seen it. It's a, it's like a relatively new, we maybe talked about it on here. I don't know.
Everett All right. What else do you got, my man?
Andrew I don't have anything else, man. Nothing else? Just happy to see ya.
Everett All right. Well, I'm happy to see you too. Thank you for joining us for this episode of 40 in 20. Check us out on the Instagram at 40 in 20, even though I've been really bad.
Andrew There's still pictures up though.
Everett There's still pictures.
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Unknown Buh-bye. you