Episode 5 - Interview With a Watch Newb

Published on Thu, 29 Nov 2018 01:21:00 -0800

Synopsis

The podcast hosts, Andrew and Everett, discuss watches with their guest Tommy, who is relatively unfamiliar with the world of watch collecting. They get Tommy's thoughts on various watch models, including the Timex MK1 aluminum chronograph, Seiko 5 SNK, Orient Bambino, and others. Tommy shares his preference for simpler and dressier designs over busy or overly large watches. The conversation also touches on topics like indoor plants, podcasting workflows, and an upcoming camera Andrew purchased. In the end, they announce a giveaway for two Haviston watch straps on their Instagram.

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Andrew	Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. This is the 40 in 20 podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett	Still recovering from my food coma a little bit.
Andrew	I'm still a little sweaty. The meat sweats got me, but fortunately driving a hundred miles to go to our family prevents me from fully overeating. So like I have to be still drivable coming home. I don't have the same experience that you got to having it at your house.
Everett	No, you know, we usually drive up to Portland, uh, from Eugene. I think that's the hundred, same hundred mile drive. Same hundred miles. Um, you know, or, or we traveled to, we traveled down to California to be with Kim's family. Uh, but this year did it from home. There's, that's nice. Cause you don't have to go anywhere, but, uh, not so nice as we had an additional six people, seven people at our house. Um, More mouse to feed, more- More stress on the toilet. More stress on the toilet, that's right. Fortunately, we have two of them and a good backyard.
Andrew	You're good. You install like P-tubes in the backyard for- I want to get a urinal in the garage, I think. I've always thought about that but whenever I like, a complaint that I have with urinals is that I very frequently will get the backsplash onto my feet and I just don't understand why places haven't started integrating like P-tubes instead of urinals.
Everett	Just a tube that you pee straight into? Yeah. Hmm. That's interesting.
Andrew	I mean, it could be waterless. It has all the same technology as like the waterless flush urinals, but you're not getting the speckling.
Everett	So is it like an 8-inch opening or is it like a 2-inch opening that you insert yourself into?
Andrew	I would say that probably lacks... I would say probably like, I don't know, an 8-inch opening seems appropriate, but I mean, 2 inches seems... I don't know. I just, I feel like tubes would be preferable. Uh, okay.
Everett	Sorry. All right. Whenever you're ready.
Andrew	So anyway, I think that's something to consider when you do your urinal install. So now that we've gotten way off track, uh, I think we got a, we got a cool, Cool opportunity being that it is Thanksgiving weekend. Our friend Tommy happens to be in town and what better way to have a first interview than someone who already likes us and we don't have to worry about him not coming back because we know he's coming back. So, Tommy, care to introduce yourself?
Tommy	Hello, I'm Tommy. Nice to see you guys. It's such an interesting medium to have this conversation in, but I'm kind of excited to listen to your podcast now. And, uh, well, you're about to learn how much I do or don't know about watches. So we're just going to roll with it.
Everett	Have you listened to every single episode? Yes. Start to finish? Start to finish. No, like, uh, fast skitters?
Tommy	No, I don't fast forward. I'm listening to it. I'm laughing.
Everett	That's intense.
Andrew	Yeah, it is. Really what we wanted to, what I wanted to accomplish out of this and why we invited Tommy on was to pick the brain of somebody who's mostly unfamiliar with watches. Um, A watch noob. Uh, yeah. And maybe watch disinterested even. I don't know. We didn't, I saved any of the conversation on the drive over so that we could all happen here and it could happen organically. So he's wearing a really nice watch. I have a fine watch on right now. He is. He actually is wearing a really nice watch as I'm sitting here with my watch, not on me.
Everett	Um, it's a Sarabell 35.
Tommy	Spoiler alert. It looks good on you. Thank you. It feels good. I like, We'll get into what I feel.
Andrew	Yeah, we'll get into it. So I think, but I think that's a natural segue. What do you think about that watch?
Tommy	I really enjoy it. I mean, it's really, uh, kind of low profile, low key. I don't really like big bulky stuff. Um, I don't wear a lot of watches normally during the, I don't wear one during the week. I think the second watch I ever bought was about a year ago in Thailand for the equivalent of like five us dollars and the battery just died. So I haven't worn it. Actually I did wear it with the battery dead just cause I like the color of it. It's yellow, isn't it?
Andrew	I have a feeling it's yellow. No, it's blue.
Tommy	It's blue all the way around. Blue strap, blue face.
Everett	I don't know the actual... I think wearing a watch, a non-operational watch because you like the way it looks, makes you a watch person whether you know it or not.
Andrew	Really? Yeah, I think... 100%. Yeah.
Tommy	I like the, I do appreciate the accent to it is, I'm just not used to it. So it does feel a little unnatural, uncomfortable sometimes just to have something there. Cause I'm just always playing with it. But same thing happened with my wedding ring. Like for months, I was just like, this thing's there. I don't know what to do with my hand because there's now this metal thing on my hand. But now, I don't know, I'm getting used to this watch. I might walk out with it. We don't know.
Everett	Do it. Zero chance of that. Do it.
Andrew	What are you drinking? I mean, since that is part of what we do here. Mostly, we just found a reason to drink beer and hang out and our wives need to see an output for it.
Tommy	So, what do you have? That's fair. I got a Sierra Nevada Winter Warmer. Ooh. I really enjoyed the winter ales, Best Beer, stuff like that. This time of year, it feels warm and delicious. It's a little more flavor to it. I don't know. I've really enjoyed those this time of year, but only this time of year. They have a very limited time frame for me.
Everett	I'm the same. Yeah. I can go do like December, January, and then I'm back on sours
Andrew	some some rail or something how about uh what about you guys what are you guys drinking i was gonna say i don't give a shit what you are drinking because really i just want to talk about what i'm drinking uh mr tommy made a trip to california recently and sent us the most lovely text that he was at russian river and asked if we wanted to bring plenty back or if we wanted him to bring us a couple bottles of pliny the elder i think my response was duh it but it was in that vein um so we are finally getting to cash in on that and oh it is such a such a good beer for those of you who are lucky enough to live near russian river or in a place where they distribute to congratulations because i just i absolutely love this beer it's everything i want in a beer that i can that i feel like i can drink It almost drinks like a session, but I don't drink it like a session because I know this is the only bottle I'm going to have for a year. Oh, I know.
Everett	The first drink I took was kind of a big drink. It was like a normal first beer drink. I was like, oh, what are you doing?
Tommy	It's regulated so much that you not know when you're going to have your next one. Yeah. So you just, you savor and you love every bit of it.
Everett	It was a number of years ago. And I think maybe I was just, I was frequenting more places that had special beers. But, uh, when I was still in school, I felt like you could get it all the time and now, and I say all the time relatively, you know, but it's pretty frequent. I haven't had a Pliny in two years maybe, so this is really… Very special. Thank you. Thank you, Tommy. That's actually the only reason he's on the show. We don't even really like him that much.
Tommy	No. Yeah, this was a great show, guys. Thanks for having me on.
Andrew	Yeah. Well, now we have to fill 55 minutes of content with just us drinking Pliny, so… We're already at 10. We're good. Oh. Yeah. Yeah, we'll settle in because there's going to be a lot of drinking noises. uh so i guess we can we can move on here um you touched on a little bit what are your just general feelings on watches uh watches that you've owned i i have in my memory this enormous and i actually texted you about it a couple weeks ago if you remembered the watch that you had it had to be a 50 millimeter black steel chronograph with eight pounds of bracelet that I still vividly remember and you got it because you'd come into some money and you're like, I know what I'm going to do. I'm going to buy this very, I don't have a word for it. Gaudy? Loud?
Tommy	Yeah. It's just heavy. Watch. I think heavy. This thing just weighed, had to weigh close to just a pound. Easy. Do you still have it? I don't know. I don't, not on me. I think it just, a couple moves, stopped wearing it. Had it a couple of times, thought I was going to try it out and it was just. Do you remember what it is? If I heard it, I would remember. I bought it at Zoomies, a skate store. Nice.
Andrew	So Nixon might.
Tommy	Yeah, Nixon.
Andrew	So anyway, it was this huge black chronograph. It's a planetoid. Yeah, it probably had a gravitational field.
Everett	Look at his head, it's huge.
Andrew	So what are your general thoughts on watches? When you see a watch, what is pulling you towards it when you Or do you just not wear watches because you don't like watches?
Tommy	Um, typically I just, I don't normally wear watches. I, most people that have a phone just use it that for time, but they always catch my eye. Some stuff like this, I'm not even going to try to remember what this watch was called. It's the SARB. It's the SARB, like the Sarban wear. It's nice. It's, it's pretty low key. I don't like big, bright, flashy things that are just like, Yelling for look at me. Look at me. I'm wearing a watch. I think we're looking at a watch earlier the Like a Rolex. I was just like, oh, yeah Yeah, the Daytona rainbow rainbow Daytona other than the price point. Um, that just doesn't really Doesn't really do it for me You'd get it.
Andrew	No, no, absolutely not. I Wonder how much money you have to have to be able to feel like you can afford that watch It would take a lot.
Tommy	Yeah to have a small accessory like well
Andrew	That's not small.
Tommy	Yeah. Size wise. I don't know. I'm just thinking I want a Tesla Roadster before I want a $250,000 watch.
Andrew	I think if you buy a Tesla or buy that watch, you already have the Roadster.
Everett	I mean, yeah, it's stupid money. It's money. You've got a lot of money if you're doing that. I think I'd be okay with having that problem. Or you got a sick credit card.
Tommy	There's the one. That's the credit card. I also, I just don't, I don't really appreciate what there's, if it's just really busy, if there's too much stuff on there and if I can't just look down and grab the time or that watch that I got from Thailand, it's a, I think it's Roman numerals, but it's, it's really simple. It's, there's not a lot to it. It's really clean cut. Is that the Nixon that we're? No, no, no. This is something, this is the blue one that I bought last year in Thailand. Second watch I ever bought. Send me a picture when you get home. I will. I'm intrigued. I can't even tell you who made it, what it is.
Everett	Unidentified watch will be identified in the show notes.
Andrew	Maybe. Probably not. But I imagine from like a cart in Thailand?
Tommy	Yes, this is from the the Chatuchak market in Bangkok. Oh, so it's maybe like a Second largest outdoor market in the world, but it's like it just a bunch of little small.
Everett	Is it like a replica like a like a homage some sort of replica of a iconic brand or something?
Tommy	Not that I know, but I also don't know enough about watches to understand if it would be an homage to it.
Everett	It's like a Patek. It's a Nautilus. Fantastic watch, Tom.
Andrew	Yeah. So, I mean, so going into that, you're, you're seem to be a simple taste on watches. I mean, is there, is there a reason beyond you are not having that as a need? Like not being able to tell time on your wrist, not having an appreciation for The watch brand, the watch itself, just purely utilitarian.
Tommy	I, by day, manual laborer. So I'm just constantly getting muddy, dirty, filthy. I would be bumping into things. So I just don't wear, partially don't wear a watch for that reason. And when I do wear that watch I bought in Thailand, it's because I am going out, I'm trying to put myself together, look nice. That's when I would wear a watch, not just as a everyday type of thing. Drawing. Essentially, yes. That's how I would. effectively treat a nice watch if I were to buy one. What would qualify as a nice watch? Well, if I had $600 and I was going to get three watches, I think. That's a fair question. Callback. A nice watch? Gosh, I would say I'll probably start about $200. $200 or probably $150 to $200. That would be nice for me. Just because something I don't have, I'm just going to not get dropped that much money on something I don't know too much about.
Everett	I think we find that's really... That's the point.
Andrew	That's the dollar value for your first... I think that's the dollar value for most people's first venture into watches. And you know what, son of a bitch, today I saw that the Citizen Aviator that I bought as a first watch in the neighborhood of like north of 150 is 85 bucks on Amazon.
Everett	Well, it's several years old now, I mean... And it's big too. I think that since you bought that watch, the average size of the go-to watch has come down. I think when you bought that 43, 44 millimeters was not big.
Andrew	It was 2015. So I think that was probably the peak of that size for a watch.
Everett	I think that's right. And I think, you know, just we're sort of at the early stages still of, or who knows, right? But it does seem like, Watch sizes are trending down now, so that might be part of the reason that it's less expensive, too.
Andrew	Regardless, I saw it. I was annoyed. But you've seen that Citizen that I have, that Aviator. I don't know if I have, actually. We'll show it to you. Yeah. I didn't bring it, but I have it. We've got photos. So anyway, we've covered your general thoughts of watches. When you're thinking about a watch, when you look at a watch, what are you keying in on as liking or not liking on that watch?
Tommy	Like I said earlier, something about just really being busy on the face. That's something that doesn't really interest me. This one, what am I looking at here?
Andrew	You got an SNK in front of you. 805. The five, yeah, with the cream dial.
Tommy	SNK. Okay. I do like the kind of time and number date on the right-hand side about the three o'clock. So the day and date. Day and date. Yeah. And then, but I feel like there's just a few too many numbers inside or if they're doing every five minute interval, the number. Just like you're putting, trying to put too much on a small space. And I know straps are also something that I'd really pick. I know you can kind of plug and play with straps. You don't have to go with the, whatever it comes with. But what I'm wearing right now on the Saab, that's, this is very nice. Something like the metal link, something about that just does not interest me. Does it pull your arm hair? It does actually.
Everett	I've had that happen before.
Tommy	I've had it happen, I know.
Everett	We've got a context. Andrew, I think. I know it's a thing. You're not the only one. People talk about this. It hasn't happened to you, right? It doesn't happen to me. Do you shave your arms? Is that why? I do. I shave my arms. Just the three inches of watch space of your wrist. From mid-forearm down, I shave. And same from my belly button down. Everything.
Andrew	Smart. But just the mid-thigh.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah, that's smart. So, and I will say, Little brief respite here. Tommy's wearing that sarb, that borrowed sarb.
Andrew	I think gifted. That's what I heard when I came in. It feels- It's got Mojack on it.
Tommy	Welcome to the podcast. Here's a gift.
Everett	That's what it feels like. He's wearing that on a, on a Haviston, a canvas Haviston 1944 strap. And it is really fantastic. Alex from Haviston got that to us this week and it's gorgeous beautiful strap the canvas is incredible you know uh i've held i don't know at this point a number of different canvas straps and they're all really sort of blah i think just the nature of canvas straps is uh just kind of met but this is really well constructed though i i was surprised how flexible it is because when you see it in pictures or even in video reviews i've seen a number of of youtube videos where they're either wearing that or reviewing that canvas haviston strap and it's hard to tell you get it it's the the flexibility is great but it's also substantial uh it's a pass-through it's their new a2 pass-through design it's not all that new anymore several months now but um that sliding keeper really well done strap it is beautiful too um that's actually talking to alex these last couple of weeks he said you you should try this because you like olive drab And I got it, and I think I just sort of threw it on the SARB because that was the closest 20 millimeter lug width watch I had. And gosh, I might just keep it on that thing. Yeah, it looks good on it. I haven't had a chance to touch it yet.
Andrew	I probably will keep it on here. Tommy came through the door, put it on, and I have not had a chance to put my hands on it. Might not. Yeah, so now here I am, finally getting to touch it. And it's just, it stands out from other canvas straps I've had the opportunity to handle. And that single pass through is, Something that I'm liking more and more because I'm finding that it, it doesn't add a whole lot more height, which I've found on a couple of the, a couple of the double pass throughs that I've had on recently. It adds a little bit more height than I'm really, than I'd really like on a, on a strap that already feels thin and is designed to be a little bit thinner, a little bit sleeker, sportier feel that added height is not always ideal. And on the Mako that I've got the toxic on it, it adds. a noticeable amount of height when changed from the bracelet.
Everett	I think that's the biggest, I think that's the biggest drawback to a standard NATO, a NATO strap is that depending on what material you have, um, you know, it really increases that, that overall off the wrist height. I mean, especially if you've got something with a big, you know, either a big bezel or a big crystal or something, you know, you wind up, you know, bashing into things with it, or it just feels kind of planetoid. over the top of your wrist. In fact, I'm wearing this Vostok Amphibia mod, and when I wear this on... Vostok. Oh, shit. Vostok.
Tommy	Vostok. It's embarrassing. It's my first time, guys. Bruschetta.
Everett	But wearing this Vostok mod, and I've worn this on a passer a couple of times, you know, a double thickness NATO strap, and it just winds up being Leaning Tower of Pisa. I've never seen your SKX on a double pass-through, but I can imagine it would be quite large Yeah, no, I never wear that thing on a NATO Because I love that bracelet, you know people someone on our Instagram commented this week about you know something It was nice, but something to the effect of you know, isn't that isn't that bracelet really pretty crummy? And the answer is yes, I mean we'll talk about this every episode if you guys want or if you don't want It's terrible. It's a terrible bracelet. Look guys, it's not a good bracelet. It's hollow. The whole thing's hollow. It makes, everybody calls it jangly. I don't find it to be that actually noisy, but, um, it's jangly.
Andrew	It is jangly.
Everett	The end links are hollow. Uh, it, it, it tears out all Andrew's arm hair.
Andrew	That one I haven't worn enough to know.
Everett	But man, it's good. It's good. And it's not, and people kind of make fun of it like, Oh, you know, You just say it's good because you're, you know, like it's a cult of SKX fanboyism, but it's really good. It is really good. It's comfortable.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	And good.
Andrew	Yeah, I agree completely.
Everett	And I only use iPhones because they're the best.
Andrew	Not having worn a several hundred dollar Jubilee, I don't, I can't compare it against it. But what I can say is that a several hundred dollar Jubilee is like, it's got a lot to stand up against. with that SKX.
Everett	I don't get that. Folks that say, I'm not going to put an expensive, like, uh, you hear about the SNK a lot of times people say, Oh, I'm not going to spend $30 on a NATO for a $60 watch. Uh, why not? I'll do that.
Andrew	Yeah. The SNK shouldn't be a $60 watch. It's the best kept secret of the watch world.
Everett	I'll put $130 bracelet on an SKX too, if it makes it a better watch. I can get behind that.
Andrew	Yeah. Anyway, We've gone right down the rabbit hole. Tommy's asleep. I like this strap.
Tommy	I'm loving it. You hear that, Alex?
Andrew	Yeah.
Tommy	Yeah. Shout out to you, Alex. Excellent job.
Andrew	Damn fine job. We touched on it a little bit. If you were going to wear a watch, you talked about your needs. So it sounds almost like you need either one very robust watch or a pair of watches. So talk to me a little bit about your needs, what you're looking for in a watch. to be able to meet, to be able to wear a watch on your wrist every day.
Tommy	I would be probably, I'd probably be looking towards a pair. Uh, something I can wear out casual events, um, formal events. Like I think ever hit her earlier. It's more of a, like a jewelry accessory to me rather than like some utilitarian, you know, I need it really to tell the time all, all day. Um, just to kind of mix it up two different things just to go back and forth. I don't, I'm don't want to dive too deep into this because I can't yet.
Andrew	What do you, what questions do you have about watches? What, I mean, I'm part of it, so I'm sure that you, you don't know what you don't know and that's completely reasonable, but what has there been a barrier to you getting into watches, learning more about watches? I'm sure Everett talking and I even talking about the Nautilus just a few minutes ago, like we made a watch joke, which is embarrassing enough in and of itself. Um, Have you found things like that to be a barrier to trying to get into watches? Or has it just been like a purely utilitarian, I've got a watch, I've got a time keeping device in my pocket all the time anyway, what the hell do I need to watch for?
Tommy	That's essentially it. I tell time on my phone. That's essentially all I use to tell time. But as far as you guys, I mean, what, I'm kind of curious what drives your, Such like deep interest into is like the function of the watch. Is it purely by looks? Is it a mix between the two? Is it, what, what am I missing that you guys are just.
Andrew	You've lived with me for a while and you remember, do you remember the research process I go through to buy a thing?
Tommy	Oh my gosh. It's almost painful to be around, but I appreciate it.
Andrew	It is. And unfortunately, Everett and I are very same in that matter. We were talking about a camera tripod the other day. And he said, I hunted, you know, in the way that we hunt for things. And this is what I came up to. And that was kind of the genesis of my getting into watches. As I, you know, you've heard, you heard our first episode where we talked about the beginning of our watch journey and what that took. And I started looking at watches and I was trying to figure out what I wanted, what I liked, what I wanted in a watch, what I, what I functionally needed in a watch. And it took me down this very dark and very deep rabbit hole. from which I now sit, and I can't go back up.
Everett	There's no going back. Part of me wonders how much of it is, for myself at least, and I think you're probably the same, Andrew, but part of me wonders how much of it is the process, the hunt for the watch versus the watch itself. I am always very satisfied when I get a new watch, but I will say that the actual receipt and even sometimes the wearing of the watch is less visceral than the hunt. uh, trying to figure out what is it that I want, how to make that happen, how to, how to find that thing. Um, you know, and comparing different models, comparing different, uh, specifications, comparing different brands. So, so I think that there's something there that it's not, it's not necessarily the hardware or the tangible good as, as much as, as much as the hunt for, for some of this hobby, some of, some of what it means to me. I do think that is the case.
Andrew	That's certainly it. I had the Bambino on my wrist, I don't know, three hours and I was very seriously looking for the next watch.
Everett	It's like an acquisition syndrome. It's an illness.
Andrew	It's an addiction.
Tommy	Yeah. Knowing you guys as long as a fan, you really do, you really like that hunt. You dive into it. You're reading reviews, people's comments, how things work, the history of it. I think both of you guys really enjoy that and when you finally, get that watch, you probably put it on your wrist. It's like, yeah, this is really enjoyable because I researched this and this is what I want. And then when it's there, it's like, all right, so what's my next watch? Next target. And I'm sure you guys just get back on the train.
Everett	When I do that, I do that with everything. And I know Andrew does too. Um, but you know, whether it's, uh, pens, I mean, I've had several different pen flirtations in my life and, and, and, and it's happened at all levels of pen. So, Uh, the two to five dollar pen, the, you know, 20 to $30 sort of mid-level pen. And then, you know, there's a whole nother world of sort of high-end fountain pens and other bullshit.
Andrew	I can't use those because I'm left-handed, but there's a guy that, uh, shaving.
Everett	Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, I have to interrupt you. You can't use a fountain pen cause you're, cause you're left-handed?
Andrew	That's, I've been told that.
Everett	Is that a thing? I was told that. Are they symmetrical? I feel like they're symmetrical. Is it, is it a ink on your,
Andrew	No, I was told by somebody with a fountain pen that I wasn't. The different angle pressure of writing with your left hand says you can't use it. And maybe he was just an asshole, he didn't want me to use his pen. But you've never tried? No, I mean, I know how to write with a pen. I'm literate. But I was told that I can't use them because I'm left-handed. I don't know, maybe there's left-handed models.
Everett	I wonder if it's an ink, I wonder if it's an ink thing, because as you're, as you're blasting through what you've just written, you're gonna pick up the ink on that.
Andrew	I don't do that, look at my notes.
Everett	Anyway, the uh, the guy that, I'll have to look it up. Can't be a tattoo artist. Can't use fountain pens. Can't play guitar. You just get a left-handed guitar.
Tommy	Yeah. Those are real. There's this guy called Paul McCartney. Was his name Paul McCartney? I don't know. Paul something. Nobody's heard of that guy.
Everett	We'll talk about that guy later. Do you guys remember that episode of The Simpsons where they had the left-handed store? No. I don't. Where is it? You guys are babies. It's at the mall. The left-handed store? Where is it? It's in the fucking Springfield. It's a cartoon.
Andrew	I'm heading to Gateway today. Anyway, that shaving brush that I got you, that guy also makes fountain pens. I still use that shaving brush. I would think so.
Everett	Is that the guy that told you because you're left-handed that you're... I never talked to him.
Andrew	I only ordered shaving brushes from him.
Everett	It's a nice shaving brush.
Andrew	It is.
Everett	Although the finish on mine all bubbled. I think it's because I was putting it sort of bottom down on the counter and it was... Because you don't have a stand for it to dry out. I don't have a stand. I'm sorry. So, you know, I've got the brush you bought me, which I don't think was cheap, but those really nice soft badger bristles. I've also got like a $15 Omega, not the watch company, a $15 Omega, it's an Italian shaving company, boar bristle brush, and the bristles are long, you know, I've got my hands like 12 inches apart, they're not that long, maybe three, two and a half, three inches. Inappropriate length for a shaving brush. It was this big. It's a paint brush. You know, yeah, it's an appropriate length for a shaving brush, but it's bigger than, you know, it's bigger than that, than that hand-made one you got me. Um, and I think when I got it, I got it just to sort of have a travel brush or whatever. And I use that thing so much more. The, the boar bristles are stiffer when you get them. They're pretty coarse. They break in nice. They break in nice. They're all like split, like, you know, a half an inch down now and so it got real, it got real fluffy and soft and so it's got a little bit more backbone to it. I love that thing now. You know, I go, if I use that for like a week, I pick up the Badger and it's almost, almost too coarse, like being a silver hair. No, it's not too coarse, but almost too delicate. Like it's just kind of, it feels like floppy and, um, and too soft. You know, I get used to that, that thick sort of backbone on the boar bristle. Darn, Tommy, we're gonna get to you eventually.
Tommy	I have an inordinately small amount of facial hair. So you got a sick stache though.
Andrew	You do have a mustache.
Tommy	Actually, I would say there's two.
Andrew	Yeah, you have eyebrows below your nose.
Everett	I don't know if they connect. The left stache and the right stache. I got left stache, right stache happening.
Andrew	But it's long enough and thick enough that it's not noticeable anymore. Early on it was noticeable.
Tommy	Yeah, when I shave and it grows back, I have to stay a thousand feet from schools. It's not good. No, mine's the same way.
Andrew	Especially with your job. Mine's the same way. That's terrible. I, as a result, don't grow a mustache because it, I'm not willing to commit long enough to it. The longest mustache I had was like two weeks and I sent you a picture and it was pretty.
Everett	For the record, my mustache is just fine.
Andrew	It is. It grows all the way into the middle. It's really gray though. Oh. Got him. We were talking about what got us into watches. and i think circling back to that topic the other part about what what i really appreciate about watches is that you can find all the details are so small and it's something you really have to pay attention to and it's the kind of collecting the kind of hobby that is all about small details because anyone can collect anything i mean that's just kind of the way it is and one of the reasons that i that watches really call to me is that, I mean, Everett and I have both have SNKs. He has the 809, it's the black dial, and I have the 805 in the white dial. And they're the same watch, it's the same technology. And that small detail, just that dial, completely changes the feel of that watch. And that's something that I really like about it, is that there's not only something for everyone, there's many somethings for everyone. Um, but it's all so detail oriented just by the, by the nature of the fact that a watch is on the large side, 50 millimeters in diameter. Um, and then, then you start looking into like the nerd aspect of it, the technology that goes into watches today. I was doing a lot of reading about tuning fork movements. Um, like the Boulevard, the precision, the, the, yeah, the precision, the Accutron, uh, their precision movements about tuning fork movements and, and every, There's a lot of different flavors of technology that are out there that are fascinating and all the brainpower, all the money that went into the technologies to develop those are, are fascinating to me. Nevermind the, the role that watch has played in history from air travel to racing to the, uh, like if you take a look at the Vostok radio room was a function of, uh, I don't remember the treaty, but it was a treaty that was an international treaty that was created as a result of the Titanic sinking in 1912. So internationally, all these countries came together and said, hey, we messed this one up. So we're going to have designated periods where there's radio silence on ships and everyone just monitors for distress calls. So this radio room watch has kind of an offset cross, like a crosshair across the dial of it, and it's offset. and it accounts for the first five minutes of every quarter hour. So in that red zone, you're not on the radio. You're just listening for distress calls. And that treaty has grown and developed, but that, that watch is a, is a direct touch back to that piece of history. So there's just a lot of, um, there's just a lot of nuance to watch collecting to, to different watches. And then you start getting into the watches that have been in space, the, the cosmos, whether it be Russian watches or American watches, that have been into space that were developed with the very, with the intention of being able to measure time for astronauts. And yeah, it's just a very nuanced and very detailed hobby and very few. Well, no, I can't say very few. A lot of watches are made without any thought. They're just, they're, they're marketed, right. They're, they're made to sell, but so many watches are made so thoughtfully and so deliberately with, with such a,
Everett	such a specific purpose in mind and i really appreciate that that little bit of history that story that goes along with each of those watches just just this week we got a an email on the 40 and 20 gmail the 40 and 20 blog i should read that um about it's from a uh hong kong om uh from a hong kong om and it's um It's not the most personalized email, but it's definitely somewhat personalized. It's to us. To us, exactly. Saying, hey, we want to help you guys with your watch brand. And so Andrew and I have each kicked in $5,000. We have 40 and 20 watches coming to you spring of 2019. Stay tuned. It's actually just an SNK case and dial with our 40 and 20 logo printed on the front. You guys are going to love it.
Andrew	I want a picture of me on it. It's, it's a, it's a glass watch.
Everett	Your face is going to be etched in the case back. Yes!
Andrew	I'm in. You know what? Because of my, it being my face, I'll kick an eight. I think that's warranted for getting my picture on it. Tommy, last thing I want to do, I want to show you some watches that Everett and I have very carefully curated over the course of today to show you Get your thoughts on them, see if they're the kind of thing that you'd want to wear, the kind of thing that you would wear, and then you could just let us know how you feel about it.
Everett	So first up, Rose Gold Rainbow Daytona.
Tommy	Thoughts? First thoughts, let me just... Too much. It's so gaudy. It's a lot out there.
Andrew	I mean... I think not enough is actually what you're looking for, but... Not enough?
Tommy	I don't know. The diamonds around the outside and the rainbow jewels all around, that's just... That's a bit much for me. It's gonna be a no.
Andrew	It's not, Tommy. So, for SiriusWatch, we got the Timex MK1 aluminum chronograph. And these also come in steel. I like the steel a little bit better, but we've got up on the screen the MK1 aluminum chrono. Comes in a whole variety of colors. Straps are less important because you can put it on any color, change a strap. Highly recommend that Haviston that you were just wearing. Oh yeah, that would be perfect. That would be dope on that chrono. And this anodized, like this almost brass color, or black or silver. I think there's a blue, whole bunch of colors.
Tommy	So, Tommy, thoughts? First look, I actually really enjoy this watch. I do like the bigger numbers, you know, 12, 1, 3. What are the smaller dials around the inside?
Andrew	So what you're looking at is a chronograph, which is used to measure time. It's a stopwatch. So each of those sub dials measure different increments. So you've got minutes, or you've got seconds, minutes, hours to measure that stopwatch.
Tommy	Like I said earlier, sometimes it looks too much to the outside, but I do like the font of the numbers. I do like that kind of that brass finish around the outside. It kind of appeals to me. I do enjoy that one. That's a nice looking watch.
Andrew	Bad news, my Pliny's gone. It's disappointing. It's so good though. Okay, so not down with the busyness of a chronograph.
Tommy	No, not so much. I feel like if I'm looking at my watch just real quick, get down, check it out, what's the time, or like I said earlier, a piece of accessory jewelry, that's a little bit much for me.
Andrew	Yeah, chronos are a little bit busy to be a dressed up feel to them typically.
Everett	What about the brand Timex is a brand everybody knows about?
Tommy	I've heard of it, don't know much about it. It is familiar with me though. Any feelings about it?
Everett	No, none. I'm coming up as someone who wore Timex's before sort of I became a whatever a watch guy. You know, Timex actually does some pretty cool stuff. They have the Indiglo and I think Timex is the only one that does Indiglo. I don't know if there's anybody else. But you know, push button, backlit, fantastic light system. I don't think there's a better see your watch at night light system, then, you know, I think maybe Casio does some backlighting in their digitals, but there's the full loom, right? Even a full loom dial isn't going to light up the way.
Andrew	And there's also just the Seiko illumination option.
Everett	Sure. But, but even the best loom, I mean, even tritium, you know, the best loom isn't going to light up the way Indiglo does. No, certainly not. Uh, so, uh, you know, growing up as someone who wore a lot of Timex's, I feel, I feel fun with Timex, but As a, you know, to the, to the extent that I am, or I became at some point a watch snob, I think the branding of Timex, just the ubiquitous sort of grocery store availability, Timex availability of Timex, you know, I think at times sort of made me feel a little disinterested. I still like the steel chrono. Yeah. These are, these are great watches. These are great watches.
Andrew	Next on the list, we got a G-Shock for you.
Tommy	I'm just going to say, personally, hard pass. Really? Yeah.
Everett	Hard pass. Interesting. Yeah, hard pass. So this is a Casio G-Shock GA100GBX-1A9, which is a mouthful. Casio does model numbers. Yeah. But this is, I think the reason we pulled this one up is because it's got analog hands. In addition, it's a digital read as well as analog hands. What is it when you see this that you think, eh?
Tommy	Man, I was thinking I was going to sing to you. Oh no. This thing is just, it looks so, I mean, I'm looking at photographs online here, but it looks big, bulky. There's just so much going on.
Everett	It is huge. It's 51 millimeters.
Tommy	So it's going to wear like a hockey puck. I feel like you're just trying to do too much in too little space, which even at, what would you say? 51.2 millimeters. That's a big watch. That's a big watch, but it,
Everett	looking at the photos they crammed it full of everything that you could or could not use i don't it's it's well bigger than anything we have here i'm handing you the amw 320 this is sort of a vintage casio our old school casio uh that's about 45 millimeters so you know this is going to be another 10 bigger which 10 in diameter which means you know i don't know somebody somebody do the math but 20%, 30% bigger in terms of dial face. It's just huge. These G-Shocks are huge. I don't love this watch.
Andrew	I liked it. When I was going through their lineup, there was a couple others that stood out, but the analog-digital combo I thought was going to be one that would work for them.
Everett	When you and I talked about before we got started, Do we go with, you know, a more modern G-Shock or do we go with the classic DW 5600? I pulled it up here. This is... I don't think it's the very first G-Shock, but it's the one I think of as the classic G-Shock. Much smaller case. You know, I think these wind up being 45 or so inches. Not inches, millimeters. 45 inches. Jeez. That's a big watch. The Flavor Flav G-Shock, 45 millimeters. So thoughts, I mean, thoughts on this versus that other one versus that GBX.
Tommy	Yeah, this is a little nicer. It's smaller, but also there's, if I'm, like I said, if I'm wearing a watch, I want it to make a statement. This, um, this doesn't do it for me. This looks like, uh, so what's wrong with the rainbow? What's wrong with the rainbow? That statement says I don't know how to spend the money that I have. Or I have so much money.
Everett	That's true.
Tommy	I have so much money that money doesn't really matter. Also, I should share this personal note about myself. I have very dainty wrists. We all do. No. The three of us do. Do you have a bracelet here?
Everett	I'm more so. Neither you or I have dainty wrists.
Andrew	Anyway, we'll move on to the next watch while he tries on the SKX. Which you can hear. I'm sure everyone heard me pick up the SKX.
Everett	Yeah, you look like a doctor from the 80s. Girl.
Tommy	You got some little wrists. I mean, it's tiny. So the earlier G-Shock, if I put that on me, it would be a problem. Yeah, look at Frisbee. Go to your forearm. Yeah. Like a Frisbee. Might as well just tie it to my bicep. That's not even... Much bigger though. Space watch. Real big biceps.
Andrew	All right, so next on the list. We've got the Orient Bambino, which is a watch we've talked about on here before. Real simple dial, real classic look to it. What are your thoughts?
Tommy	Yes, I like it. That's clean. That's just... I don't know, there's something about that. I don't know how to... I should have brought mine. I have that.
Everett	Yes, Andrew has this exact same watch.
Tommy	Yeah, this would have been a great time to actually show this in person.
Andrew	So we have the second gen, the second generation V1 here in front of him. And it is. It's like, like I said, when we, when I talked about that watch in our last, our last episode, I don't know, whenever we talked about orient watches, talked about the SNK and the Bambino being my two go-tos for somebody looking for a watch. And this resonates with you.
Tommy	Yeah. It's, it's clean to the point. I, I'm not one that's a, I mean, somebody who's not deeply invested in this hobby. I don't know. It really feels to me. Yeah. That's a, that's a jangly bracelet.
Everett	So it's a good looking watch. And I will say this is a little bit bigger. These come in, I think, just over 40 millimeters, so 40 and a half millimeters. So smaller than the AMW 320, but bigger than the Saab you were wearing earlier. Yeah, I like that. It's flatter than the Saab. It's got a thinner profile. It wears wider. It wears a little flatter, a little wider.
Andrew	And it's got a domed crystal, so it it rides a little bit taller, kind of like that, um, that, that chronograph you have sitting in front of you.
Everett	HK 96, 1963. Great. Best, best watch under $300. I think number one watch under 300 gets my phone. I can't disagree. So, okay. Next in line. So before we move on, before we move on, I want to ask you going back to the DW 5,600. So this is the watch we were just looking at the G shock. We, we, You said you do manual labor. So we were looking at, you know, two watches for you, basically a watch that you would wear every day. I think if you, if you went on, um, if you went on watch you seek, uh, or one of these forums and said, Hey, I am, I'm sort of in maintenance. I do, I do manual labor all day in and out. Um, I need a everyday functional watch that can get whacked around is going to look good. has some street cred. I think that this, in particular, this watch, the DW 5600, as well as a couple others are going to get brought up in that context. This gets 60% of the vote. Yeah, I think that's probably right. In that context, is this something you'd be interested in as your sort of day to day throw around?
Tommy	Look at that price point. I know, but when I'm looking at this, I'd rather, I think, does Casio make the one with the basic calculator and arithmetic? Yeah. Right there. That's right. I think I'd honestly have rather have that than that. A lot of people would. Yeah.
Everett	A watch that gets thrown around a lot is this Casio F91W, which is, I don't know, this is just this ubiquitous beater watch. Oh yeah. It's going to be less water resistant, less shock resistant, less abrasion resistant. It's not going to last as long, but for 14 bucks, a Casio F91W is very similar.
Andrew	It's a watch, you're probably not going to replace the battery in though.
Everett	No, you're not going to, but from a distance, right? Are you going to call that out versus the DW-5600? I mean, they obviously have the same DNA. I mean, but the DW-5600 at Walmart, 40 bucks, 39 bucks. So as between those two and then the classic calculator, you think any of those might do the trick?
Tommy	Maybe just for the sake of the calculator, just because, you know, I live in Portland and the hipster culture just tells you to get something weird.
Everett	That's right. Yeah. And I was, I think any of these watches fit into that, but, but in particular that calculator.
Tommy	Yeah. Either a calculator or I think it's the F91W. I don't know something about that. The G-Shock just seems aggressively bulky. It's a serious watch.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah.
Tommy	And I'm not a serious person, so it just doesn't really fit me. No, you're not. You have a mustache. You have a mustache. Two mustaches. I think we've covered this earlier.
Andrew	You're going to say no to this. Citizen Chandler, another chronograph. It's the, I don't know, I can't see the reference on it from where I'm sitting, but it's a Citizen Chandler on the weird green canvas band that it comes with.
Tommy	You know what? I mean, I know what I've been saying about the chronographs earlier, but this one kind of interests me. I do like the big, bold, white numbers. I do like how the smaller chronographs kind of overdo, go over the white.
Everett	Cut into the numbers. Yeah, they cut into the numbers.
Tommy	Do you like that or not? I do. I kind of enjoy that.
Everett	It's controversial. People, uh, people, some people will completely discredit a watch because the numerals are cut off by chronograph.
Andrew	So the reason I grabbed this one was the, was the contrast of the hands on that, on that chronograph. They, the way their hands are, uh, colored on there, they've got the white loom, uh, hour and, um, minute, and then the red second. I thought that would, that would, I thought that might grab your attention, that ability to see those hands, the contrast that's there. So that does add, I'm actually surprised with, given our conversation about Kronos up to this point, that the Chandler stands out.
Tommy	Yeah, it does. It really does interest me. That's kind of, it's a neat looking watch.
Andrew	That watch has been in my cart several times and then removed from it.
Everett	And it's a good size. I mean, the price on this thing, $170 on the Citizen website. I think you can probably pick these things up for much closer to $100, depending on the day of the week. Um, size-wise, what are we talking? 39 millimeters. So, uh, you know, basically right at that, uh, golden size, I think that we really like, you know, some people like a bigger watch. You're obviously have a little bit smaller wrist. So it's not going to be even with your smaller wrist, it's not going to be, it's actually, it's a serious condition.
Tommy	I wish you'd stop addressing it.
Everett	Even, even with a smaller wrist, it's not going to be so big that it's ridiculous. Yeah, no, I think it's a good size. You know, this is, uh, I don't know if it's a remake or, or a more modern version, but there's these sort of classic citizen field watch. They're all eco drive. They all have, um, a solar movement, which Andrew really digs. I think the technology is very cool. It's not something that I look for in a watch, but, uh, the idea is that you don't have a battery to replace. The movement's going to last forever. I think the nice thing about these watches for someone like you who's working, um, is that they can dress up, they can dress down. If you do put a pass through or a NATO style strap on it, you can tailor the strap to, you know, you can have a day to day work week strap and then maybe, you know, like a going out strap or even just a clean gray. Yeah.
Tommy	Yeah. I mean, when you first brought this up, that looked like, well, I immediately thought, you know, that would be nice. That would be something I would, I would wear to work, but also in the evening or going out or whatever in your free time, you, yeah, you just throw a different strap on there that can really change it up. Yeah.
Andrew	That's something I really like about the, the NATO strap option is that you can have a watch, you can make a, a field watch or a chronograph, a really diverse option that can take you from being at work to Dressing it up a little bit. I don't know if I would take that With a suit, but it's certainly it fits 80% 90% of the time of your life. I wear a suit so so rarely Tell me was the last time you wear a suit wore a suit.
Tommy	Oh Gosh, probably sister's wedding this summer, but it's really only at weddings I do and they're getting far between here last time I was in it
Andrew	is a
Everett	This is a big watch. This is different than anything else we've looked at. A reach watch, if you will.
Andrew	And one that I felt like would fill every need that you have for a watch. Looks so good.
Everett	So this is a watch that's been out for a number of years. They're kind of pricey. You know, you can see we've pulled up two different versions. One of these is a resin case. One of these is a stainless case. They call this a shroud. Uh, these are both divers watches. They're both, 200 meters of water resistance kind of serious dive watch is not that divers even wear dive watches anymore At least not for their intended purpose, but this is a really a functional tool watch They tend to be pretty big. They have a couple things going for them. They have a GMT Hand which is different than I think anything else we've looked at so far A GMT hand is that a hand that were that will track a second time zone The other thing going for him is they have this sort of beat him to hell and it's going to survive mentality. Any thoughts on these guys?
Tommy	Initial reactions, I'm not a really big fan. Yeah, it's pretty significant price point that looking at.
Everett	Well, so don't worry about the price point. Don't even look at the price point? Yeah, because I mean, you know, you may or may not spend that much money, but just in terms of looking at the watch on its own value.
Tommy	I mean, look, there's different
Everett	color schematics ever there are different variations well and so we've pulled up too we've pulled up the the sun zero two three which is this orange and and powder blue color scheme with the black shroud and then we've also pulled up um the su1065 i think this is a paddy yeah it's a paddy blue and red version um doesn't do it for you though huh no on
Tommy	I mean, with all the dashes, with the dial around the, what's the outside? What would you call that?
Everett	The bezel.
Tommy	The bezel. Okay. Multiple hand. I don't know. I just think back to that Ori and they showed me Ori and it was just clean all the way around. Not a lot on the face.
Everett	Just a... This is... You like something a little dressier, it sounds like.
Tommy	Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'm just a fancy guy. Yeah.
Everett	Well, you're officially off the show because this is a show favorite.
Andrew	So, please.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	If you could lock the door, don't let it hit you. Last one on the list. We've got to watch what we can. We we've got the marathon aviator, but that's another big one that you've already said that you the marathon pilots watch that you've said you're not a big fan of that size. And I think these are 48. I might be wrong on that.
Everett	Oh, you know, aren't they that big? You know, I think that these watches are, I think that these watches, so this is the Marathon. The one we've pulled up is a WW194194001. These are mil-spec. They have a national stock number. Pilot's watch with NSN numbers. That's right. I think actually these things are, are pretty great. They've got US government branding on them. They have this really cool asymmetrical case. Certainly a field vibe. I mean, this isn't something you're going to wear with a suit or a tuxedo, but I don't know.
Andrew	I think in black, I think you could get away with if you know what you're wearing. I think if you're just that asshole is like, I don't know. This is the watch I had on today, but I think if it was a deliberate choice, I think you could, I think you could pull it off.
Everett	Tommy, would you buy this to wear with the suit? Absolutely not. Okay. I would. All right. Last watch. I think he's going to like this one.
Andrew	I hope you like this one. Cause I love this watch. We got the Dan Henry 1964 and specifically, Pull up the evil panda. That's the one that I really, I've sunk.
Everett	It's a hard pass. It's a hard pass, people. You can't see his face when I'm going to tell you. Hard pass. What don't you like?
Tommy	I don't know. I think it's just a bit, it's almost too jewelry. I mean, it's just so, I appreciate that. It looks like a nice watch, but that's something I wouldn't buy and put on my own wrist.
Everett	Well, Tommy, I think that's about it. Thanks for, uh, thanks for joining us.
Tommy	Thanks for having me. This is, uh, you know, find out more stuff about what I like, well you just showed me. Uh, I don't know, more interesting watches than I came in. So, you know, I think you guys, you guys kind of set something up here. Terrible reason to drink beer and hang out.
Everett	Well, let me just prepare you. The Instagram followers are going to start coming in. You're going to have to turn off your notifications. You're going to have to go to private.
Tommy	Listen, I already have five followers. I couldn't possibly have six or seven, maybe 10. How could you handle that kind of pressure? I don't know. It's stressful, man.
Everett	Well, uh, this is the time of the, this is the time of the episode where we transition to other things we like if we have enough time. And today we do. Andrew, any other things that.
Andrew	I do. I have a couple of things worth mentioning. So obviously it was just Thanksgiving. I was at my wife's family gathering. A hundred miles away. Yeah. A hundred miles away. Turn right, drive straight, turn left, drive straight. Anyway. Um, apparently my mother-in-law has been listening and loves it even though she's completely unfamiliar and uninterested in watches but listens and loves it and it was interesting to talk to people who don't give a shit about watches who listen to our podcast and like were amused by it Tommy's a good example my mother-in-law's a good example of it people who've been listening and think it's fun so that was kind of cool and validating in a way and it was also funny because some Some of the people there then like started gravitating and talking to me about the watches they happen to be wearing. And it was, it turned into weird conversations a little bit because they were watches that I was either unfamiliar with or just like personally, they didn't, they didn't really resonate with me, but it was a cool little, little bit during Thanksgiving.
Everett	Um, and then what do you think about my new Invicta diver?
Andrew	Uh, no, didn't get that. Uh, but you know, no, and actually nothing really even that vein, but it was just an interesting, And I'm typically a pretty private person. So this was a weird venture for me to like go out and put myself out into the world.
Everett	And then other people to have people be like, Hey, I heard you.
Andrew	Yeah, that was weird. And she thought I mean, she said she listened to it. And I was like, Wow, you're listening. And she like mentioned something from the episode. I was like, Wow, you actually are fucking listening. That's you're not just being nice. That's cool. Which sort of dovetails nicely into my wife has gone on a indoor plant. kick. To say I was indifferent about it might be complimentary about how I felt. I was like, whatever, dude, just like if you want plants in the house, that's great. Fine.
Everett	I spend crazy amounts on watches. You go crazy.
Andrew	Yeah, a couple of plants. Exactly. Get weird. Turns out I kind of really like them. And it thinks, what are we talking about? What kind of plants? I don't know the names of them. They're green. They grow in pots.
Tommy	Are you familiar with indoor plants?
Everett	Well, yeah, no. I'm asking what kind of plant.
Andrew	I'm just saying the next time you come to my house, it's going to be completely different based on the amount of foliage that's in there. So anyway. Foliage. Foliage? I like foliage. Just like I like strategy.
Tommy	I do like strategy.
Andrew	Anyway, I thought I was going to be indifferent forever. Turns out I really like having like bursts of plant life in my house. And at Thanksgiving, this house that we went to, they have a Botany exhibit in their home and it was like going into a botany exhibit. I don't have a better way to describe it There's plants everywhere and we ended up coming home with three Very not well very large very large for me. Like I would consider like a succulent to be a large plant That's large three potted and Large new plants that are now living in my home and it turns out that I'm you're a changed man
Everett	Damn, I'm grown. It's all grossed up.
Andrew	I like it. Yeah. So those are the other things I like for today.
Everett	Everett, what have you got? Other things for Everett. So there's a fellow named AJ Bars. He is a follower of our Instagram. He is an online personality. He's got a blog called Every Moment Has a Story. He's a Bellingham based photographer slash blogger slash podcaster. He's got a podcast called The Bellingham Podcast. I think he does it with another dude. In fact, he's got a blog post about their podcasting workflow, which was so hilarious for me to read through because they run into very similar things that we've run into podcasting. I wish we'd have read that before we started. I know. In particular, recording with two microphones through GarageBand. was a difficulty that they didn't use to have that they've developed now. And the solution they've come up with is to record on different devices and then, what do you call it?
Andrew	We do way too much cutting of obscenities and ill behavior.
Everett	Well, yeah. I mean, I think that that's something to think about, right? So they wind up recording separately, wind up recording separately and air dropping it, air dropping the audio to one another and then compiling it. I think we're in agreement that would be difficult for our workflow because we edit probably more than we should, and maybe at some point we'll get better, but we have a lot of just ums or weird gulps or whatever that we cut out, and maybe we shouldn't. Maybe it'd be more organic if we didn't, but I think... Never mind the rabbit holes. And the rabbit holes. I mean, you guys don't even know. There are episodes where we've cut out like... 20 minutes. Just weird. Why did we talk about that? So interesting to see that they're running into the same issues we are, and they're dealing with it totally different. We wound up finding software, Audacity is a free software, I think it's phenomenal. This isn't a plug for Audacity so much as it is just that. It works for us. That's the solution that we found for that problem. And today, here we are recording in Audacity, three separate microphones, and it's been easy. Yeah. Relatively easy. I mean, it took us a little bit of work to figure out how we were going to do it, and we did that, and then it was fine. AJ Barrs has a blog, Every Moment Has a Story. He's got some watch stuff on his blog. Posts on SKX modding. You know, other sort of watch inspired. He's got a blog post about watches and his kids. He's just, he's our kind of people. He has, just these last couple of weeks, released a 20 page magazine called Analog Explorers. He calls it his analog manifesto against our digitally distracted mindset. Sounds like my kind of guy. Totally our kind of guy. He, you know, beautiful photos, great sort of, let's get away from our digital stuff. Let's get back to analog stuff. Pre-order, I think went up a couple of weeks ago, $18.99 for a signed copy of the, of the magazine. I ordered one. I think it's not released till December 1st, but I'll get it then. 20 pages. I'm expecting it to be beautiful, and if it's not, I'm sending it back, AJ. Look out. Not really. Anyway, very cool. Check them out. I think it's AJBars.com, but if you Google AJBars, B-A-R-S-E, 90% chance I'm saying it wrong.
Tommy	Yeah, I'll give it 90. I'll give it 90.
Andrew	I think we're there. AJ, email us with the phonetics.
Everett	The other thing I've got, I did get my new camera. We talked about it last week. I got my Fuji X20. I like it. It's tiny. It looks cool. It looks cool. It feels great. I've taken some pretty neat pictures with it. Pictures? Pictures. I've taken some pretty neat pictures with it. And I will say, having that smaller form factor, you know, that versus my Nikon D7100, I don't know, a quarter of the size total. Easy. Even with a tiny lens on my D7100, it's four times the size of this. I mean, both in terms of the X-axis and the Y-axis, this thing, when you close the lens is maybe four inches front to back, uh, teeny tiny. And that makes opportunities to take pictures different. One of the things about having a camera and taking pictures is that the camera is too substantial, or if it's too much effort to get it out and capture that moment, then it's gone. And you, and that's a missed opportunity. My hope is my sincere hope is having this little bit smaller form factor, is going to, A, allow me to have the camera in more places, which is a little bit of a misnomer, right? Because we all have our cell phones. We can get that capture anywhere we want. But A, always allow me to have a camera, a dedicated picture-taking device. And B, allow me to take pictures in a little bit more discreet manner. You know, when you pull out a big DSLR, everybody sees it. Everybody reacts to it. Even in the last two days, I've managed to pull this thing out It's got that great LED on the back so you can, you know, have it at your waist, hip shoot. Super cool. I'm digging it. I'm excited about taking pictures with it.
Tommy	It's a really cool camera. I mean, I don't mind. I have a DSLR. I think I have a Rebel i5, T5. I don't really know. Just needed it. Going to travel internationally. Want to take some better photos than my crummy smartphone. But it's a neat camera. I think you brought up a good point. Whether it's just too big to like pull out, take a photo, or it's like, You're like making a scene, like undoing buckles, zippers, causing us to be distracted. No, that's, that's a great little camera. I'm looking forward to see what type of photos you're taking me.
Everett	Any sort of, uh, other stuff, anything on the, on the internet or, uh, in life that you've run into in the last couple of weeks?
Tommy	Oh, I just started listening to the, uh, Science Friday podcast. I've, uh, caught it on, you know, just my local public radio station up there in Portland. But it's just, it's like all the best parts of any chemistry class. And that is OPB. That is KOPB. And it's just so enjoyable. Uh, they were talking about earlier in the week, um, just the general scientific community is determining whether they want to continue using the platinum iridium standard for a kilogram measurement that's held in France, or if they want to go to something called a Planck's constant to derive a kilogram from because I'm not going to get into it, mostly because I can't talk to it at that level, but it's just really interesting to talk about. Like I said, the best parts of any science class you've ever taken, and they don't test you. You just get to do it for fun because it's a podcast. No testing. No test. Well, there are. You're right. There is no testing.
Everett	What's it called again?
Tommy	Science Friday.
Everett	Science Friday. Find it anywhere you get your podcasts.
Tommy	Yeah, I believe it's WNYC coming out of NYC. Yeah. And give it a listen. Try it. Just try one episode. See what it's like.
Everett	Same network that does Radiolab and, uh, okay. All right, Andrew, I think that's about it. We're going to wrap up. Before we go, we have one exciting thing to announce. So exciting. Super exciting. Everyone wins. Everyone. Well, no, not everyone. Two people. Yeah, well, two people win. Two people win. Hey, look, we have coordinated our first giveaway. Yeah. We're going to do a giveaway. It's an Instagram giveaway and it's the best kind of giveaway. You don't have to do anything. If you already follow us. If you don't already follow us, you're going to have to follow us.
Andrew	And we're not giving away something like dirty underwear or old underwear or old socks. We're giving away something. Is that a thing? I mean, based on the level of professionalism we've demonstrated up to this point, that could be a possibility.
Everett	So we teamed up. We talked about it earlier. We have coordinated with Alex at Haviston Watch Straps, and he has helped us out, hooked us up with a couple of his A2 Service series, polyamide fabric. And they feel so nice. Pass-through straps. One of them is the relatively new sector strap. Beautiful coloration. Got kind of that mint green, uh, mint green tone to it. Fantastic. So look, we've talked about these Haviston pass-throughs. Um, it's, it's a single pass-through, although it does have two, it does have two pieces of fabric up towards the buckle. a nice sliding keeper. These things are really, really nice. They've got a great sheen to them. They've got good feel. They feel good on the wrist. They're strong enough to support even a fairly heavy watch. One of these in the sector colorway, one of them in a colorway we can't even tell you about. Well, I don't know. I don't know. Is it going to be announced? So one of these in a brand new colorway, when you listen to this, we'll either be about to announce the contest or we will have just announced the contest. So check it out on it. Check us out on Instagram. You'll see it there. Two different giveaways. All you have to do is follow us on Instagram and then find that post, comment which of the two you like better. And at the end of the week, we're going to put your names into randomizer, pull one up, pull two up, one for each watch strap and give them away. They're both 20 millimeters because, because they're great. This is 40 and 20. So what other size would they be? They are very cool straps. We're excited about it. We hope you are too. I think that's all I got.
Andrew	And here's our promise. Neither Everett, nor Tommy, nor I will win either of those two straps. Do we have to? We're promising that?
Everett	I just did it. All right. Thank you for joining us for this episode of 40 in 20. Don't forget to tune back in next Thursday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Our music today is Bummin' on Tremolo by Kevin MacLeod of incompetech.com, licensed under creative comments by attribution 3.0 license.