Episode 47 - Kickstarters We're Watching

Published on Thu, 19 Sep 2019 00:29:00 -0700

Synopsis

The podcast discusses several watches currently listed on Kickstarter campaigns. They go through details like design, materials, movements, and pricing for watches from brands like Musha, MRI Project, Axios, Comet, Beaufort Design, and Merlin. They share their thoughts on each watch, whether they find them exciting or generic. The hosts also touch on topics like the risks and rewards of crowdfunding watches on Kickstarter, as well as upcoming football seasons and a book recommendation.

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Speaker
Andrew	Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. This is the 1420 podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett	Dude, I am amazing. I'm amazing. I've just had a, just had a super long week, uh, trying to get ready for a trip, doing an army trip this week, leaving tomorrow morning. And so it's just been. insane, trying to get everything done, uh, at work. And I had this huge project that's still not complete. I assume it's going to get complete on an airplane. I assume it's going to get completed on an airplane. Uh, fingers crossed, uh, fingers crossed for that. But, uh, it's, I woke up this morning and I just felt this like relief.
Andrew	You know why? In my bones. Cause it's fall. It is squarely fall. I am in jeans. Yeah. And a sweater and a sweater. And I fucking missed it. I love fall so much. It is the best time of year. This year's a little weird because I'm not going to get to hunt that much, but I'm going to hunt a little bit. The weather turned. Football is back. This is this is the best. What's crazy is that last night I was out in I mean, it was out in the evening with some friends and I was in shorts and a T-shirt. And then today. Jeans and a sweater.
Everett	I love fall. You're rocking the full fall look.
Andrew	I love it.
Everett	Yeah. Your hair's kind of growing out.
Andrew	I know I'm getting a little bit, I might have to haircut tomorrow.
Everett	I don't know, it works.
Andrew	It works with the whole thing, with the sweater and the... I mean, I have that thin patch that really shows when my hair gets longer. It's whatever.
Everett	Just own it, brother. Yeah. Just own it. So a little bit different episode this week.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	We've been, you know, kind of hitting the interviews hard, right? We talked with Darren Tiffany. We've talked now with We've talked now with those guys at Vero. I believe at this point we will have published our, our episode with the art of horology. Uh, yeah, so it's been, that's been a really fun process, but it's nice to just sort of be back in the basement drinking beer. Be back in the basement drinking beer. I don't know. Do we have to clip that to a certain length? Are we going to get a seasoned assist? Is the ghost of Grover Washington going to... Is Grover Washington dead? I assume he is.
Andrew	I don't know. It was just YouTube playing in the background.
Everett	I don't know. All right. Royalties. It's going to be hard. We'll survive. We'll survive. We'll make it through this. We'll make it through this. Yeah. No, it's kind of fun. It feels a little like there's a whole component of the stress that's gone from this recording.
Andrew	Yeah, because you only have to deal with me.
Everett	I only have to deal with you, which I like dealing with.
Andrew	But you can tell me to fuck off. And I do. Actually, right before you hit the green button, you said fuck off to me.
Everett	Yes, that's right. That's right. So, you know, I don't know. I don't know exactly when this episode is going to go up. I believe it's going to go up on September 19th. And the reason for that is we're doing a little bit of shuffling with me traveling and just Andrew's sort of busy, hectic schedule. So we're doing a little bit of shuffling. I assume this episode is going to go up on the 19th. But with that said, I've got just a little bit of watch news.
Andrew	Oh, let's light it up.
Everett	That is not going to be super, perhaps not going to be super fresh when this goes up, but it'll be fresh enough. So I did read on the debt dot briscoe at D E T dot briscoe b-r-i-s-c-o-e instagram this week he posted i think a screenshot from the seiya japan website uh suggesting that or perhaps just saying that the alpinist is being re-released uh-oh and and i don't think they fucked it up i don't think they fucked it up i think that they did a release of the alpinist the way i would hope just
Andrew	Just slyly introduced it back into the catalog and said, you're welcome.
Everett	Well, you know, I mean, yes, that, that is the way Seiko does stuff, but, but the way they did it, uh, in terms of the actual watch is the, is sort of the opposite of what they did with the Seiko five sports releases. So, um, they, they've maintained, they've maintained the specs, right? So it's still a 200 meter watch. It's still conservatively sized. I think it might be the same exact size, 38. I don't know. You know, the way they did it in terms of the specs is what I would want. So they've maintained 200 meters of water resistance. It's similarly sized. It might be the same exact size. I don't know. I don't think anybody's seen cases yet. It's going to be, and again, rumors, speculation. This is Sayadet.Briscoe reposting Sayad Japan. I think these people are generally reliable, and every time I've ever seen them post exciting news, it's come true. So I don't know this to be true, but I suspect it is. And it's not April. A black one, a white one, or excuse me, a green one, a white one, and I believe a black one. I don't have the post in front of me, and I'm not going to get it out. 700 bucks, which is expensive, but I actually don't think it's crazy.
Andrew	No, it's not.
Everett	I think it's right on.
Andrew	It's the way they're going. Frankly, that's the direction they're going right now.
Everett	And you know, I think that the reality is Seiko pieces get a little bit cheaper as they sort of hit production. So I think that if there were a 10 to 25% discount on the RP eventually, once these things got in circulation, it would meet my expectations. Now, here's the coolest part. I'm ready. Six are 35 movements. which is, I think, a brand new-ish movement from Seiko. The 6R is Seiko's sort of 28-24 competitor. It's just upgraded and then upgraded again, 7S26, right? So you'll hear people say that. This is just a 7S26. It's different in a number of ways, and you can read online about how it's different. But the 6R15 was the previous movement in any number of watches, the Saab series, the Gentoo Monsters, some of the greatest affordable Seiko watches that everybody loves are special in part because they have this movement. So 6R35 is an upgrade. And I know you don't care about this, 70-hour power reserve.
Unknown	No, I don't care.
Everett	I know. I think it's fantastic.
Andrew	Is it weird that I don't care?
Everett	No, I mean, no, it's not where, you know, and I realized that it's actually slightly irrational for me to care because I have been wearing these hacks, these Hamilton, these Hamilton mechanical Hamilton khaki mechanicals, and they have 40 hour power reserves, but I'm kind of like flopping in between. And I realized if I don't change the watch early enough, I run out of, I run out of power reserves. So I'll fully wind it in the morning, wear it that day, take it off the next day. And then if I don't change it at night, if I change it in the morning, my power reserve is gone, right?
Andrew	I like the satisfaction of winding my watch.
Everett	Well, you have to wind these anyway, right? Yeah. But it's the having to set it. So if I'm going every other day, 40 hours isn't enough. 50 would be. 40 is not. And I've noticed these a few times. I've picked it up, and it's just gone dead. Oh, interesting. It's, you know, it's four o'clock in the morning and the new, the new Hamilton khaki doesn't have the date. The old one does. And that's where I notice it. Uh, that's totally fine. And it's not a big deal. And, and the reason I even bring this up is because I've never noticed it before in my four years of being a watch where I've never struggled with power reserve. So it's a bit irrational that I think that's as cool a thing as it is. You know, the Hamilton, I think it's the H5 movement has the 80 hour power reserve. The 6R35 has a 70. I think that's an excellent feature for a one or two watch collection.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	Okay. I know. I take that. For guys like you and me, it's less important.
Andrew	Yeah. You know, the magic though, when you pick up a watch that you haven't worn in a long time and it is the right day and date and all you have to do is wind it and reset the time. Right.
Everett	That's the, that's the allure of the quartz beater, right?
Andrew	That's the Vostok. bingo. I like to call it. You don't have to set the date. Oh my God.
Everett	Cause the dance is, I haven't set the, I haven't set the date on my amphibia in six months. Probably. I just am like, I'm not going to fucking do it. Just wind it and set the time. It doesn't make any sense.
Andrew	Yeah. I love winning the Vostok lottery, putting it on on the day that it just happens to be right.
Everett	Yeah. Uh, it doesn't happen anywhere near enough. No, that's why it's winning the lottery. I think the odds are one in 30 times, which means for me, maybe once per year.
Andrew	And even less than that, even less than that, because how many times are you going to pick up that watch to put it on anyway?
Everett	Yeah, that's right. Well, and I wear mine, I don't know, a couple of times a month for sure. Maybe three or four times, but, but yeah.
Andrew	So it's like, like one in 90. Is that right?
Everett	You know, one of you math people will have to give us the deets on this because Andrew's a cop and I'm a lawyer.
Andrew	So we're not smart. I think 1 in 90 seems right.
Everett	I'm sure. I think that there's probably exponents and or something involved that I don't know exactly how they work.
Andrew	Just call it winning the Vostok lottery because it's so uncommon. Kabow! Exactly.
Everett	It's one of those things that it's an order of magnitude. You know, if it's not 1 in 30, then it's like, one and 755 billion, you know, you just have to keep going up.
Andrew	There's no in between. It is either that or that.
Everett	All right. Well, uh, well, good. We're talking about watches today. Oh, just to sort of just, you know what? I want to finish my thought on the Alpinist because I realized we got distracted. Oh yeah. My bad. You know, I think it's refreshing to see that Seiko can sort of, um, sort of stick to the playbook and, and, meet the general consumer's expectations on a legacy piece like that. I think a lot of people have been super negative about the Seiko 5 sports watches.
Andrew	I like them, but I'm really glad they didn't do that to the Alpinist.
Everett	That's right. And the Alpinist has a legacy.
Andrew	than what has become the 5 Series, I think.
Everett	I think that's right. I think that the Alpinist may be Seiko's sort of affordable flagship, which is to say it's kind of always been around and it just has this really sort of deep and consistent heritage. I suspect there's almost always been something readily available in the Alpinist line. And so, right. So perhaps they have a little bit more interest in in keeping the lines clean on that. Uh, but it, it was refreshing for me to see. It was refreshing to see that it wasn't 1200 bucks. Uh, 700 bucks is a lot of money, but if you can get those things that at 500 to 600 are, you know, uh, on the street, I think that's, that's okay.
Andrew	I wonder if that'll dump the price of the Alpinist that's already out there.
Everett	You know, it's either going to, it's either going to affect it in the positive, it's going to affect it in the negative or it won't affect it at all. Yeah. Did you like how I let in like that was going to be really thoughtful? OK, so that's sorry. Just wanted to finalize my thoughts on that.
Andrew	No, that's understandable. And I'm kind of, you know. Off tracker. Yeah, no, I am, too. A general heckler and sidetracker. So what? Today we got something about you, by the way. Most people don't. Today we have something different from what I think we've ever done before. I mean, a little bit, it's out of our usual vein. And today we're going to talk about some Kickstarter watches that have caught our attention. And it's never a medium that I've gone to, at least we've gone to on the show. You know, we both haunt Kickstarter and look at cool watches, but today we're going to talk about some watches that are on Kickstarter and are live right now that have our attention and that I really hope go to production.
Everett	Yeah, you know, I think these are all super interesting watches. It's a little hard. I think you probably feel the same, maybe less than me. It's a little hard, I think, to keep up with all the new stuff happening in the watch world.
Andrew	It is. There's a lot. And then when you throw Kickstarter in the mix, holy shit.
Everett	That's right. I feel a lot of pressure Not a lot of pressure, but I feel a modest amount of pressure to sort of be someone in your, not Andrew's, but you at home or in your car. I feel a little pressure to be a part of your experience, which is to say, I feel some responsibility to tell you about new things, to tell you about watch news, because why are you listening? Why are you listening to us?
Andrew	Because they want to hang out with us.
Everett	We're not technical experts, certainly, as has been demonstrated numerous times in the past few weeks. We are not industry insiders, certainly, neither one of us. You know, although that's maybe changing just a little bit. Does it feel like that's changing?
Andrew	There might be a bit of a dynamic shift just as a function of our role that we've been, that we've self-created. Right. And so. I mean, the New York Times had to start somewhere, right?
Everett	That's right. That's right. That's right. And so why are you listening? You're listening because We are a place to sort of hear about what someone else thinks about watches. But at the end of the day, who cares what Everett or Andrew thinks about watches? So it seems to me that if I'm going to continue to be a part of your life, you at home, Brad and Carol and Steve and Julio and what's a good Scottish name? We've got a bunch of Scottish listeners. Liam. Liam, yeah, or Rick. That's obviously a super Scottish. Hey, boys. Gentlemen. Oh, actually, before we move on... Man, we're a mess today. We're a mess. But you know what? This is actually kind of fun. So a few weeks ago, the guys from Scottish Watches hit us up. And I think that, you know, as we do sometimes, they just sort of hit us up generally to say, how are you guys doing? And... Well, Rick... is a Rick is just a super nice dude and uh always wants to collaborate on something or the other and I think that he seems a little angsty but I I suspect that's just the way he plays and he's really uh collaborative but but we had mentioned them in an episode I don't remember what they said I hope it was something nice but he sent me this really enjoyed your show guys uh let's sort out this uh collab episode
Unknown	All right, give us a shout. Thanks for the shout out as well. That was much appreciated. We'll try and sort something out. Possibly not next week. Might need to be the week after. But once you're up and shouting again this morning, leave us a message.
Everett	Where the fuck is he? So he's a farmer. So I think, I don't know, maybe he calls it a rancher or a farmer. I'm not sure. But he lives at a home with horses. I think what I said to him back was our very first voice message with horses exclamation point. Yeah, you can add sound effect to your new board. But then he's so I say, yeah, I would love to. I'll have to try to pull the horse, the horse sounds. And then and then Rick sends me. I'm going to play a few messages here. He's just a nice dude. And he was like, yeah, that would be fun. So then I get a series of voice messages. He's come in sequence. And you can tell this one's silent for a while, like he's trying to elicit this. What are we doing?
Andrew	I know what I do to try to get my kid to say things, but I can't imagine you do that with a horse. This is a good one.
Everett	A chorus. So we're going to get these on the soundboard because we can replace, you know, like what, because what is this one? I don't know. It's like a creepy music.
Andrew	I think what you say when you're thinking about selling your Saab, that's the music that goes along with it.
Everett	So guys, I'm thinking about selling the Saab. I wish the face could have been captured. You guys missed the expression. It was good. So yeah, we're going to add those horses. So yeah. Kickstarter watches. I do feel a little pressure to get these, to get this information to you, but it's impossible.
Andrew	And, but there's also a little bit of pressure that there's a, there's a finite amount of time with Kickstarter watches. I mean, some of these watches that are out there that are on Kickstarter are so, so cool. And there's a limited amount of time to get involved and help fund that project so that you can get a watch. It's not like you can like, Oh, maybe I'll check it out on Amazon once, you know, in a few weeks, a few months, like these are, there's, there's a, finite period where you can be a part of making this project possible and also even get an opportunity to ever have this watch.
Everett	Every single Kickstarter watch is that red dialed SNK that you wish you would have bought a year and a half ago or two years ago when it was 70 bucks on Amazon. Every single Kickstarter project is that watch you're like, that's kind of cool. I wish I could get that. If you like it, you got to buy it.
Andrew	And here right now, we'll talk a little bit about Kickstarter. For those of you who aren't familiar, get out from under your rock. Uh, but so, so Kickstarter is a platform for, uh, is entrepreneurs the right word?
Everett	Yeah, I guess so.
Andrew	I think it's the closest maybe artists or designers or just, we'll just say people for people to, uh, ask for capital to make a project happen.
Everett	Give me your money.
Andrew	Exactly. Give me your money and in exchange you'll get a thing. It's, It's crowdfunding projects to make them a reality. Now with watches, that's pretty common. We see it in pre-orders, uh, with a little bit more established companies who people can, who people know and trust the brand already. So we see pre-orders from them. And then we see Kickstarter who are, I mean, it's basically a pre-order, but the nice thing about Kickstarter is they don't take your money until the project gets funded. Is that right? That is right. That's, that's what I understand from, from Kickstarter is that you pledge your money. And I don't know, maybe it's maybe some campaigns are different, but from what I understand, they don't take your money until the project is fully funded. Now that doesn't necessarily mean that when the project gets fully funded, it's going to have sufficient money to produce the product. As is famous with that all purpose cooler from a few years ago that made headlines. Sure. I don't know if people lost money on that, but it got funded and then wasn't, I think maybe three got made. Right? Is that wrong?
Everett	And so you're saying that those people didn't lose their money.
Andrew	No, I think if it gets funded, they take your money.
Everett	Oh, so that one got funded, but didn't come to production. Yeah. And now what's the difference between Indiegogo and Kickstarter?
Andrew	I don't know what an Indiegogo is.
Everett	Okay. Well, I think Indiegogo is another one of these crowdsourcing platforms, but it occurs to me, as you say, I don't know what an Indiegogo is, that you maybe don't know the difference.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	Okay. So I do like that, right? I do like that idea, that idea that, hey, if we don't get there, you know, our goal is to 20,000, which is what we've deemed necessary to fund this project and to get moving, that we're not going to get funded. It's a little scary though, right? I think that a lot of people feel like, and I know a number of watch people have been burned, you know, on Kickstarter or crowdfunding generally, where they funded something that they thought looked exciting and then it just didn't happen.
Andrew	I mean, there's a little bit of risk, right? Totally. There's a little bit of risk that comes along with being part of the source capital for any project.
Everett	And I guess that's the idea, right? I guess that's the idea from a creator's perspective. The idea is risk sharing in part. You know, we talked to those VeriWatch guys a couple of weeks ago now, and we talked about this, right? Yeah. We talked about, not in the context of Kickstarter, but in the context of just pre-orders generally, why it is that they didn't follow that model. I don't gather that their intent was not to share the risk, but rather their intent was control, but that's allowed them to sort of escape that model. The fact that they make watch cases literally every day, all the time, when they go to work, their work is making watch cases. I don't think that many of us realize how rare that is.
Andrew	No, I can't think of a of many other brands that have it all in-house.
Everett	Well, and you know, the ones that do are special, right? Yeah. You know, you've got brands like the Weiss Watch Company, Camera Wise down in LA, which I realize I've talked about Weiss and said they're out of New York before. I always think they're New York, but I know it's LA.
Andrew	New York and LA are the same place.
Everett	They're the same.
Andrew	Just one sunny and one snowy.
Everett	You know, but those watches come at a premium. Really, there's no one in our segment that's doing that. The closest... There can't be. That's right. That's right. The costs of doing that in-house are just too high. And people get weird about it, right? Oh, well, that's way too much money. We've had a lot of positive feedback to the VeriWatch episode. Aside from the general sort of bitching about these guys, the way they talk or whatever. Being recorded is hard. It's fucking hard, you guys. So go easy on them, because these they're not recorders. They're people that make fucking watches. And so they're not thinking about, you know, whatever. I felt a little defensive.
Andrew	Go back and listen to our episode one and then listen to this episode. Just break in episode one for 10 minutes and just see that the progression that's occurred since then.
Everett	You know, so The feedback has been generally very good, but we get this sort of... I guess I'm going to call them the Just One More Watch listeners, because Jody from Just One More Watch... Just One More Watch? Yeah. Yeah? Jody. You know, this fantastic Scottish-Australian guy, you know, who makes just some of the best YouTube videos around. And he's in our market. You know, he's talking about the watches we care about. I love his channel. But the fucking comments on Jody's videos are though, I think, I think, and I'm sorry, you guys, if you don't be sorry, if you're these people, I'm not trying to criticize you. I'm just saying, I think that that's a really dull way to think about watches. The comments are always like, Oh, well that, you know, I could get, I could get a Casio F91 for 20 bucks. Why am I going to spend $400 on this? Uh, and,
Andrew	I mean, that's, that's the thing though is, is there's, there's, I think that's a complete disregard for value. And the first thing that came to mind was a, was a burger reference. There's a place I think in, Ooh, I don't remember. It's called Emily's burgers. It's like a, like a $40 burger or something. And it's supposedly terrific, but let's say we'll, we'll even take it from there. Just go to the nicest restaurant in your town and they're going to have a burger on their menu. It's going to be 24 bucks ish. And that's okay. And you eat that burger and you love the shit out of it. And it's amazing. And it makes you not want to ever poop so that that burger never leaves your body. But I can go get a McDouble for a buck 39.
Everett	It's a totally different thing. It's a different thing. And, you know, I think that there's some objective differences in burgers versus watches, but I think it's actually a pretty on point characterization. How much more are you going to enjoy an Australian Wagyu a beef burger versus a McDouble. You know, there is a time and place for a McDouble.
Andrew	Oh, there is. There's a time at 2.30 in the morning when you're drunk.
Everett	Or yes, exactly. Or, you know, at the end of the week when you're when you're escaping from work to cheat on your keto diet or whatever. Right. I don't do that.
Andrew	We did no meat Monday for a short period of time, like a very short period of time. And I would get Taco Bell on my way home and eat it in the car.
Everett	Wouldn't it make more sense to do no meat Friday?
Andrew	I know that it doesn't have the same sort of alliterative... No, if I were to try to do no meat on Friday, that's like my celebration day. That's my 20% day where I just, where I go ham. If it's in front of me, I'm going to fucking eat it. I don't care how bad it is. I'll eat a whole bag of Doritos just for fun.
Everett	I feel like there's some biblical significance to... I don't care about the biblical significance.
Andrew	What I care about is I'm not going to ruin my celebratory day by not eating chicken wings.
Everett	Do you know that the McFish witch... Do you know that that was invented out of an interest in selling food in Catholic communities?
Andrew	God tracks.
Everett	So in McDonald's in the olden days. So, I mean, a couple of things have changed in the world since the olden days. But, you know, Catholic communities used to be very sort of homogenous. Homogenous?
Andrew	Yeah, that's a good word choice for that.
Everett	But I think homogenous means the opposite.
Unknown	No.
Everett	They used to be, you know, Catholic communities used to be really self-contained.
Andrew	I mean, all communities did.
Everett	That's right. That's right. And you go to certain places in the East Coast and you still see it today. But here in Oregon, it's like there's no such thing as a Jewish community or a Catholic community. We still have them. We still have them. But if you run through Eugene, you're never going to find a neighborhood that's comprised of primarily... We don't even have a Chinatown. That's right. That's right. And in Portland, they've got a Chinatown, but it's not... It's barely even Chinese anymore.
Andrew	There's just a couple of Chinese restaurants. And the Japanese gardens, which is not Chinese.
Everett	Oh, they're actually different countries, believe it or not. They're not even the same land mass.
Andrew	Yeah, they are.
Everett	Asia. So we see this thing, and it's still prevalent on the East Coast. But at McDonald's, they had these stores in Catholic communities, these retail outlets, that
Andrew	weird to be concerned about it. But I just love me a big chicken.
Everett	You do you, girl. You do you, girl. We've got to start talking about these watches.
Andrew	We do. We're going to die. Well, probably not. But let's get let's just dump right into it. OK, so first up, we've got Samurai, the watch with mysterious and luxury Damascus steel.
Everett	Oh, my gosh.
Andrew	This is so fucking cool.
Everett	Who's it? Musha? Musha Damascus watch. quotes samurai is automatic watch using damascus steel in japan i think there may be some uh there's some there's some uh translation issues occurring that's right and that's okay that's right so so so i think it gives some information so people can find this thing certainly if you search samurai the watch was mysterious and luxury damascus steel you'll find it if you look up musha m-u-s-h-a samurai kickstarter you'll find it um But this is Masuyaki Otsuka. That was pretty good. You know, I'm half Japanese. No, you're not. I'm not at all. Uh, yeah. So that's, that's how you can find it. Andrew go.
Andrew	I thought you were going to talk. So I was drinking some beer, but what we've got here is a killer sized watch, but we'll get to that in a minute. The most exciting part about this watch, the dial Damascus steel with some slight skeletonization that lets you see into the movement. But what, when I saw this watch, what got me excited was the Damascus steel dial. I've never seen that. I've seen mother of pearl dials. I've seen, I've seen a whole variety of dials, but never Damascus steel. And reason being is because it's hard. Damascus steel is a, is a pretty labor intensive process and to get it so thin, I mean, they got, it's, it's a project, a process. for most people, evidently not worth it. But for Musha, that was what they wanted to incorporate into their design. This was bringing in to fund it for one, and it comes on a strap, a leather strap, 607 money. Yeah, that's the translation.
Everett	From what's that like 12,000 yen or so? No, $65,000 Japanese yen.
Andrew	65,000 yen, not dollar, yen, because they're just called yen. And they're 607 American dollars.
Everett	Mm-hmm.
Andrew	On the expansive end, but I think for just the craftsmanship that goes into Damascus steel, I think they're using a Salida movement in this. I could be wrong on that. You've got the screen facing you. I know. I'm sorry, Boo. He's just looking at the pictures because they're beautiful. This is a watch that, frankly, I'm a little bit surprised to see only at $607 for production.
Everett	Yeah. You know what? This is, um, so still trying to find the movement. So this is a caliber, uh, 90 15, which, uh, you know, the famous tracks, famous Japanese Miyota 90 15, which is, I think maybe the most interesting, uh, and entry-level movement. They're noisy. People don't like them cause they're noisy. The rotor, the rotor makes noise, but they're super thin.
Andrew	A lot of rotors are noisy though.
Everett	Hella reliable. I think that there's a lot of guys in the micro world who swear by these things because of the ease, because of the customer service discounts that they were able to build in. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. That's right. So even 2824s are going to cost more on the front end, and they come back more often. 7S26 probably the same way. So these things are sexy, slim, and very reliable.
Andrew	I don't like the strap choices though. Sorry to move away from the movement. I don't like the strap choices right off the bat, but I think these would look killer on suede, black leather. Not a NATO.
Everett	I think these things are made from ostrich. The color choices are interesting.
Andrew	Orange and blue.
Everett	They make one in black too, I think.
Andrew	I don't know. I want a flat leather. What are the dimensions on this thing?
Everett	I should have I should have just been able to navigate directly to those things, but here I am not able to do that.
Andrew	If you click on campaign, it's right there.
Everett	I'm, I'm clicked on campaign Bubba. Here, I'll let you take the, I'll let you take the helm. Um, you, you know, while you're looking up dimensions, I will say this thing has an interesting dial. So I think this is a pretty traditional dressy watch. Um, most probably weren't on leather. It's got kind of chunky lugs, which is not going to appeal to everybody. I think the most interesting element of this, besides the 40 millimeters, besides the dial, because the dial is obviously the star of the show. It's got to be. The bezel has a, it looks to me like a simulated Hamon, which if you know anything about knife making or sword making, and there's no reason for me to know these things, but I do, Oh, it definitely does. Homone is when they do, when they do the, um, not tempering, but the, the heat treat, right.
Andrew	Where they, where they, yeah, that's tempering.
Everett	Where they take the steel from being, from being soft and malleable to hard. So it can cut things. What they do is they put clay on the spine to retain some of the coolness in the spine. As you're bringing this thing up to temperature, the blade edge is going to get very hot. The spine is going to get less hot. And everywhere the clay touches, you get these swirly lines. And there's masters of this in Japan in the samurai sword industry. But what they've done is they've simulated that on the bezel to sort of fall in line with their theme. And I think it's really cool. I think it's interesting. It's definitely not going to be for everyone. This is not a simple watch. It's not going to be something Bauhaus.
Andrew	No, no, no, not at all. And I think you hit it right on the head. This is not going to be and very reasonably priced watch. I wouldn't shock me to see this at $1,500, just based on the design aspects that go into it and Damascus steel and the homone on the bezel. I mean, this is, this is a cool watch. All right. Super Japanese inspired.
Everett	It's really cool. Super Japanese. And you know, you're either going to, I think you're either going to love it or hate it, but very cool. So we should move on. As always, these things will all be linked in the show notes. Bellingham podcast, drink, shout out to AJ Barset and those guys over there. Moving on. Yep. So we've got another, uh, we've got another samurai in the house.
Andrew	Yeah. It's back black.
Everett	Yeah. The samurai is black break Kickstarter. All right. So we're, we're just going to move on from that, but that's their headline. The Sam break Kickstarter. We're breaking Kickstarter. We're, we're interrupting the industry guys. Uh, so another Japanese, Japanese watch by MRI project. by Amarai Project. That's right. Two brothers with an annoying eye for details and, and, uh, and paren annoying eye for details.
Andrew	Their paren use is annoying.
Everett	They say, they say, uh, Amarai Project is all about combining great style with purpose. We want our products to mean something since fashion and accessories is not going anywhere. Why not look good and do good in the same time? Uh, all right. We can just move on, right? Yeah. Tell me about this watch, Andrew.
Andrew	You tell it. You got the screen in front of you.
Everett	Well, yeah. Yeah. Okay. So I think this watch is, is two things all at once, uh, more interesting than the previous samurai watch we just looked at. And, and also probably easier to wear on an everyday level. It's, it's got this very angular case, similar to stuff we've talked about recently from DM Tiffany, or, or, you know, perhaps in that, 70s, funky. Yeah, it's coming back. Yeah, that's right. It's got this big sort of flat ground bezel, brushing everywhere, integrated or hooded lugs. And this is not a soft watch. I don't think there's a soft angle on the whole thing.
Andrew	You want to know my favorite part? Tell me. Destro.
Everett	Destro. That's right. This is a lefty watch.
Andrew	Yeah. Didn't notice, did you?
Everett	Well, I hadn't, I had not. Um, so this says on the dial MRI origin one, and I'm not sure what all the branding is and we could look at it. Um, kind of big.
Andrew	Yeah, it's a 43.
Everett	It's a 43 millimeter watch.
Andrew	And I think with those angles, it's going to feel every bit of 43. Uh, but DLC, DLC bracelet, everything about it. It's just, it's this cool blacked out. This is what I feel like you'd wear under a motorcycle jacket.
Everett	Yeah. I mean, if I ever wore a motorcycle jacket, I'd wear this under it.
Andrew	And if I ever rode a motorcycle, I'd wear a motorcycle jacket and I'd wear this watch. It's just, it's a snowball effect.
Everett	So specifically this says 43 millimeters by 52.3 millimeters, a thickness of 11, which is nice, but 42 by 53 by 52 is. Yeah.
Andrew	It's going to be a bit of a slab. Yeah. I like the, it's got an octagonal crown, which is pretty cool.
Everett	Quartz movement, Ronda 700 quartz movement. um 703 i guess 50 meters of water resistance 50 which is surprising i want more water resistance out of this watch because this looks like a tool watch to me it definitely does but this is a watch that i that i hope gets funded mostly because i just like to i'd like to test one yeah yeah these things are neat these things are neat sapphire crystal um hands that are are made to look like now this is interesting because we hear often about samurai hands which People, I think, often think of the Seiko samurai, but I've always thought that's really dumb because the Seiko samurai hands look nothing like a samurai sword. Correct. So these hands are actually katana and wakizashi shaped hands, which are traditional shapes for samurai swords. Yes. Please and thank you. And can we please stop calling the hands on a Seiko samurai, samurai sword shaped, because they're not.
Andrew	No, these definitely are. Subtle, but they are.
Everett	The whole thing is very dark. Yeah, it's all blacked out.
Andrew	It looks to me. Dark gray markers.
Everett	And I think that the markers might be stonewashed. They look that way. How do you get there? They look kind of like granite, right? Everything is very matte. There's maybe just a touch of bling on this at the edges of the markers. And that's fine, right? It's the whole thing looks like an underexposed photo.
Andrew	You know, what's interesting is look at the loom placement on the markers around on one through six. It's on the inside of the dial, you know, that might be seven through 11. It looks like it's on the outside.
Everett	I think that's just the way the light's hitting. Is it? Sure. Yep.
Andrew	Okay.
Everett	I think that there, I think that they are reflective on both sides. Yeah. Yeah. And it might be reflective or it might be, um, loomed, I'm not sure. So butterfly clasp on this thing, the whole thing's very chunky. I think this is a cool watch, you guys. And I think if you like that 70s style and you don't mind a bigger watch, this is something to look at. Don't love the strap choice. It looks like sort of a fake sailcloth thing, but whatever. You get that on a bracelet. That's right. You get this thing on a bracelet and you wear the shit out of it, so.
Andrew	Next up, let's do it.
Everett	Boom, the Axios Ironclad.
Andrew	Ooh, this is one that I'm pretty excited about.
Everett	Well, I, I look at this watch and I think it was fun in under three minutes. I think this is a little generic, but people are already talking about this thing. Um, and I think that the reason they're talking about this thing is that it's kind of a submariner homage. That's got 500 meters of water resistance.
Andrew	It's that's so cool.
Everett	Yeah. I mean, objectively it's got stats that kind of kick ass.
Andrew	And what's the price for one? I want to say it's $600. $600. $594. Yeah. And that seems about right for just the specs that you're getting on it.
Everett	That is the... Oh, well, that's changing. So there's one left of those at $594. So you won't get that. That will be gone when you hear this. $622 is their next level. And that's almost gone. That's almost gone too. So $42 on that left. 651 for that third. So you're going to be between 500, you know, between 600 and 650, depending on when you get this thing, if you already have it or whatever. Um, yeah, I think this is a neat watch. It doesn't excite me.
Andrew	You're not excited by a 40 millimeter watch 40 millimeter diver.
Everett	No, I, I, I mean that that's obviously very interesting. 40 millimeter, uh, 40 millimeter divers are where it's at. Um, but outside of that,
Andrew	It is. It's a little generic. Yeah. And for a $600 watch, you want a little bit more than generic. I get that.
Everett	Well, I don't know. I don't think that's necessarily true. So if this calls out to you, then I think you just get it and you're going to fucking love it. That would be my guess. But there's nothing happening here that makes me think, Ooh, I, I have never seen something like this before. Um, and that's safe for these guys, you know, that's safe for these guys to come out with something that's going to help them get funding. probably going to help them work on the watches they want to make. I'm guessing they want to make something that's more interesting than this, but... No, you're right. For me, I've got this watch.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	I've got this watch already.
Andrew	I don't have anything with 500 meters, so... I don't even need water resistance. I'm never going to be underwater. Not on purpose.
Everett	It's one of these things that we do, you know, we want these objective measures. Now, the one that they're pimping is this blue one, and I don't think that I don't think that's the only color. Oh yeah, no, they've got several. So they've got black with gilt. I like the black and gilt. I dig that. They've got sort of a Batman, BLNR theme here. These are all dyed bezels. Deep blue. What do they call the Batman? Ocean Gulf. The Ocean Gulf, aka the Batman, bears a blue-black ceramic bezel. So yeah, these things are really well-specced. They've got wonderful hands. I really like the hands on these things, these kind of sword hands. Northern Sky is neat. That's an all green, I guess Hulk style, if you will. I think they're great. I think they're really great watches. I think that there are probably 10 watches all at the same price that will do the same thing, but this might be the one that calls out to you or
Andrew	20 watches at the same price or lower that you can definitely get that won't require other people to also buy it to get it into production.
Everett	And you know, this thing's been funded, so I think this is pretty safe. Then you're gonna get this watch. Yeah, funded in under three minutes. They've got $189,000. They're making this watch.
Andrew	And they're probably gonna make some more.
Everett	Yeah, that would be my guess.
Andrew	I would be excited to see what they come up with next.
Everett	And I don't know the company Axios. I don't think that this is a brand new company. I think this is something, we should know this, and I'm sorry we don't, I don't think that this is a completely new company. Probably not. So this is a modern reinvention of an iconic classic. We all know what that means. Yeah. Okay. Next up. Next up.
Andrew	These things are super interesting, man. I really like these. These are my absolute favorite on our list today.
Everett	You know, these things have gotten a lot of press recently because I think that the prototypes have been making the YouTube rounds. But this is the Comet Chronograph watch from the company called Comet. You've seen these on your Instagram. They're these wildly colored 60s style, or I think maybe 40 style is what they're saying. Chronograph watches. Um, they are for sure not going to be for everyone.
Andrew	No, but I, I don't know with, with the diversity that comes in this brand, I think there's going to be a watch in that lineup that you're going to dig. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's right. Cause there's what, 12 watches there?
Everett	Uh, seven.
Andrew	I think it's seven different, uh, seven different dial variations, stuff, whatever, but not just dial variations.
Everett	We've got a whole, I'm offering seven different color options, seven different color options for it. He didn't say that. I said that. So yeah, he used the number seven. He did. Yes. He said seven.
Andrew	Uh, 41 Hyfe case width. 20 I wish they would have gone with 20 millimeter lug width, but 22 is sufficient. We all have plenty of 22 straps.
Everett	It is what it is. Yeah. But 200 bucks on these guys for the early bird deal. Oh, but that's no longer available.
Andrew	Uh, I think there's a two 85 and a three something.
Everett	Yeah. Two 29, 29 backers left three 85 for two.
Unknown	Yeah. Right.
Everett	Yeah. You can get these, you can get these and they're cool.
Andrew	They're, they're, super retro, very vintage inspired chronographs with great colorways.
Everett	And not everyone loves the colorways on these. We, I've seen a lot of people kind of criticizing the colors on these, but, um, and, and because of the way they did the dial printing, and I can't remember where I heard these getting talked about, but they're all sort of custom printed dials.
Unknown	Oh, each of them.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. You know, they're, they're printing these dials. I think they're pad printing them. but they have multiple layers of pad printed dials and that's neat.
Andrew	That's super cool.
Everett	And it's neat. It's not something that you look at and think, gosh, that must've been really hard to make that dial unless you know anything about dial printing, which is not very many of us.
Andrew	No. I know my only recently learned these were hard to print.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	Yeah. Um, I dig the flat pushers. I dig everything about these. I like all the colorways. My favorite is this, uh, is this,
Everett	the sort of teal.
Andrew	There we go. Teal outside, a yellow inner ring and a red center dot. Yeah.
Everett	These are statement watches. Most of them, not all of them. Um, but the, I think the coolest ones are statement watches. Yeah, absolutely. Kind of big, but, but there's plenty of people that live, there's kind of plenty of people that live in that world for a dress watch. For me, I think it's not a dress watch, but for a sort of simple kind of blingy, dressy-ish watch. It's too big for me. I know I wouldn't, I know I wouldn't be attracted to the size on these things. Maybe. I think they're dope. Super dope. Super dope. 6S11 quartz movement. Um, it says K1 crystal, which I don't know. I think that that is, refers to the shape and I'm not sure if this is mineral or I assume it's mineral because they didn't say sapphire. Yeah. Case inspired from a Jaeger LeCoultre. Um, the dial inspired from a Pierce chronograph. That's a company I don't know from the forties. Cool watches, man. All right, let's keep burning. Burn. This one's exciting. Yep. This one's exciting.
Andrew	What do we got for, uh, for the price on these?
Everett	Uh, I think New Zealand, five 39. So I think that they're going to come in at not a lot of money. 346 us dollars.
Andrew	That's a killer price. Yeah. And I really, really like these. These are perfect. A little bit of flavor dress watches.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. No, that's right. Uh, California dials on these with sort of a crosshair pattern and, and a track, a minute track on the outside.
Andrew	Forgive us Beaufort watches. We should, we should get that out of the way rather than just, we didn't. Okay. Vintage pastel watches with Swiss automatic movements.
Everett	These are 1930s style military watches from Beaufort Design. And I love them. Beaufort? Beaufort? I'm thinking Beaufort. I think so. These are sort of a California dial with a crosshair and a minute tracker on the outside. They have this really sort of classic military feel to them without feeling overly
Andrew	field inspired. I like the California dial execution on this. This is one of the first California dials that I've seen that I'm like, yep, yep. Do me get, get right inside me, get on my wrist.
Everett	You know, I think that the applied markers, you know, they've got these black applied markers on a couple of the dials.
Andrew	They've got a guilt, so much depth to that dial. You just, you get swept into it.
Everett	That guilt one is, and there's nothing here. So these all have, These all have kind of a subdued appearance, nothing really bold, but they wind up being high contrast, super legible, at least in images. And I think that these things are just kind of sleepers. It feels to me a little bit like some of the more attractive Shinola designs. Yeah. Without being overly big or sort of overly boisterous about that.
Andrew	These are coming in at what, 30? I think 38 on these.
Everett	Yeah, and these have already made the rounds, so chances are you've probably seen a YouTube video or heard someone talking about these already. But they're not, they're not something that is going to Shock anyone. No one's going to comment about your watch, unless they look at it and they think, gosh, that's pretty. SW Salida movements, the caliber SW 200, you know, which 38 power, 38 hour power reserve, but the 28 800 beat rate, which is going to give you that smooth sweep.
Andrew	40 millimeter case. I thought they were a little bit smaller.
Everett	40 millimeters, 48 lug to lug, which is nice. Just under 12 millimeters thickness. And again, 22 millimeter lugs, which you either love it or you hate it. I frankly hate it, but especially on a dress watch, I wish they'd gone 20 or 18. Their proportions are classic. Um, you know, I think that that 36 to 18 or 36 to 20 proportion specifically that 36 to 20 is, is alarming. I don't think people always fall in love with that. Uh, you know, because it's such a small, it's such a small dial to lug ratio. So this is kind of that 36 to 18 ratio. But I think once you actually get that 22 millimeter strap on your wrist, it just is. It's less comfortable than the similar watch in a smaller dimension.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	I love the design on these. I'd love to get my hands on one. So this is one I hadn't heard of before today.
Everett	Merlin Sea Legend Swiss Mechanical Movement Dive Watch. And this is also funded, right? No. Oh, 14,000 away. Getting there though. Yeah. So 36,000 of a $50,000 goal. 96 backers, 20 days to go. I think this one will get there unless they are not able to push.
Andrew	These are cool. You can pledge $2 or more. What's the pledge on these?
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	$485. So $500 for a These kind of remind me of the Contrail or the Neptune, a very 60s, 70s skin diver. And I think they're trying to capitalize on the popularity of the skin diver in the last year, two years of the watch world.
Everett	And I think they're nailing it. I look at this and I think Zodiac. And I think that's in part because of the markers and the The glass bezel. I don't know if that's glass or sapphire. Box sapphire crystal. Yeah. I don't know, but it's got a, it's got a sort of, uh, see-through, uh, you know, see-through depth, glassy bezel.
Andrew	The, uh, the black one, the DLC, the sea wizard. Or the dark wizard. Dark wizard. Sea legend. Dark wizard. Dig that. Dig it.
Everett	I want one. You know, again, these are sort of, these are sort of relying on Japanese marketing, at least with their design. Um, but I think that their, their blue, the all blue version has a Hokusai, that Hokusai wave, uh, tsunami impression on the dial. So. They're doing a thing. I really like them, man. I really like them. I think these are a heck of a lot more interesting than that Axios ironclad for about the same amount of money.
Andrew	Interesting to see the numerals inside the 9 and 12 markers. They've got triangles, like you'd expect, and a numeral in there, too.
Everett	Yeah, it looks like it's printed onto the loomed surface, which That's going to be one of those things that people bitch about. I like it. It's different and cool.
Andrew	It means you can put it on in the dark and know which way is up.
Everett	You know, I think what I like most about the Merlin is their fonts. Their font choices are all really well executed. It's not derivative. None of the fonts are particularly derivative. They're boring, but they're boring in an aesthetically pleasing way, in a way that I want my dial fonts to be boring like this. Yeah, simple. Syringe hands. Dig that. Everything's very subdued on the inside of the dial. which is nice because the watch is not subdued. You know, that glass bezel, it's got some chamfering with some polish on it. These are good. All right, where are we at? We are at 58 minutes, so we should roll.
Andrew	Anything else you wanna talk about?
Everett	No, you know, I do wanna talk about a couple other watches that just didn't make the cut today, but just real briefly. So another one you guys might really like, this is a 38 millimeter, Swiss chronograph from a company called Maine. I believe it's Maine or Mann or Munn. We've talked about this before, how we can't pronounce this stupid name. It's Bruschetta, man. What do you want? Twisted lugs, has a very sort of Gen 1 Attevia look to it, or I'm gonna get that wrong and people are gonna kill me about it. That's what, that's the thought that immediately pops into my head, but definitely a tag look to it. But 38 millimeters, very cool. This V concept, we both talked about this. It's too big. I think it's kind of boring, and I think that there's lots of other watches you can get, but they're doing a thing. They've got some interesting colors. Again, V concept, chronograph watch with sapphire crystal bezel. That's the most interesting thing about that watch. And then a watch that you and I both really like that we're going to talk about more in the future. But for today, we're just going to shout out Goodspeed watches. Goodspeed watches is a watch company that has just sort of failed to launch in the past, but has been around and has been inspired and is doing things, has just gotten in prototypes on a, I think it's a gen two Octavia style chronograph. I really like it. And we'll talk about more of these. We'll talk about this more in the future, but I'm just going to splash it. Check out good speed watches. These guys are cool. And this guy in particular is a California dude. He's making a neat watch. The best thing about these is they come in both a quartz and a mechanical iteration. I love that. And there's a price difference between the two, but you really get to choose. What is it you want? Do you want quartz? Do you want mechanical? And I think for chronographs, a lot of people say, I'm good with quartz. Yeah. And if you are, this is a great option for you. So I guess that's our cue to move on to other things. Yes, it is. Other things? Do you have any other things you want to talk about?
Andrew	I have one of the most important other things that could ever, ever exist. I'm, I'm feeling it. I'm shaking. Ladies and gentlemen, fall is here in full swing. Football is back. I, I spent so much of my year just waiting for football season to come back and it's here and it's back. Fantasy football is live. It is happening. College football is happening right now as we record, not as you're listening likely and Shame on you if you're listening to us instead of watching college football. Shame. Shame. I'm so excited to be transitioning to fall. I love summer. I love, you know, going outside. I love being active and doing things, but I absolutely love fall. So, welcome to fall, everyone.
Everett	Welcome. Welcome. Kids are back in school. Finally. Geez. Geez. What you got? Football. Football, football, football. It was a little heartbreaking opening to the football season.
Andrew	It wasn't great for us, but I... Oregon leads Auburn for I was excited to see a lot of the performance. There's a lot of hope left, and we're the only team in the top 25 with a loss. Everyone else is 1-0. We are 0-1. We're still in the top 25, because we lost to Auburn. But there's some critical errors to be made, and it's the first game of the season. We've got Western Nevada School of Cosmetology today. We're going to be just fine. Killing them. Killing them. I hope we put 80 on them. You know what also I was really pleased to see is Aaron Rodgers. 1830s sheriff's mustache that he's rocking. Yeah, it's gnarly.
Everett	He looks so different. He does. He's like he's like getting younger as he gets older.
Andrew	These guys do that. Tom Brady, come on. I don't want to talk about it makes me feel bad about myself.
Everett	I saw I saw a picture of him walking down a tunnel the other day and I was like, who's that fucking kid? Oh, that's Aaron Rodgers with a with a posse mustache. So stall stalling. We're stalling. I'm stalling. Football. Go Ducks. Hold on. It's happening. I wasn't prepared. I'm sorry. I was prepared. Okay. I've got another thing. Do you? I read a book last week. Uh oh. And it was so freaking good. So books are really hard, right? We've talked about books a number of times. There are so many god damn books.
Andrew	It's a good thing. That's a good problem to have.
Everett	It's a good problem to have. But I always feel like I'm missing out. Like it's impossible. It's like podcasts or Kickstarter watches or anything else, like I cannot possibly consume all the books I want to consume. So what I try to do is I try to, you know, stay alive with the, with the award circuit, right? The book award circuit, because I feel like generally the nominations and certainly the winners are always the best, right? By nature of the awards, right? It's like some people, they watch, you know, seven movies each year and they're the Oscar nominee.
Andrew	The Best Picture nominees.
Everett	Yeah, that's right. I kind of do that with books too, because I just can't, you know, especially with kids. I used to be able to read a book every two or three days and it takes me two weeks, sometimes three weeks to get through a book nowadays. But I read a book last week called The Calculating Stars.
Unknown	Oh, yeah.
Everett	The Calculating Stars. And this is by an author that I had never heard of, but it's Mary Robinet Koval. And, um, I think we put this in the Instagram story. What's going to be like two weeks now, but it's about an alternate universe where there's a meteor strike and the world goes to shit in the, I think the early fifties. Right. As the space race race is picking up steam space, right. As the space race is picking up steam. And, and so what everybody's forced into this alternate universe where they have to work together because there's this. pending environmental disaster. What the author does is a really good job, a really, really, I think, a really good job of making this feminist book, which some of you guys aren't going to like that, and I don't care, but making this feminist book that looks at the idea of institutional and workplace sexism and racism in a critical but sort of understanding light. And incorporates it into something that everybody wants to read about or hear about, which is science fiction, space race stuff. So it sort of mirrors our space race with a few different, uh, global dynamics and everybody forced to sort of work together and realize that, Hey, we got to get off the earth now, which means we can't just have men astronauts, because we got to get, we got to get enough, uh, enough of the DNA. chain off Earth so that we can make babies somewhere else. So now there's these talented women who have flown that NASA could disregard in the 50s and 60s and now has to be sort of mindful of. You know, it's fantastic. I really loved the book. It read so quick. And I loved it. And I think you should read it. It was entertaining and fun and exciting. Even I'm probably talking about as if it's a bit heavy. It's not. It's not heavy at all. It's super light. There's some heavy stuff in there, but it's super light. It's just fun and engaging and great.
Andrew	It's on the list.
Everett	Boom.
Andrew	Yeah. Anything else?
Everett	I got nothing else. Me either. Well, I guess that that's when we have to wrap.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	All right. Well, I guess we'll do it. So thank you for joining us for this episode of 40 and 20. Uh, check us out on Instagram guys at 40 and 20. You guys are already there. Also check us out on Patreon, patreon.com slash 40 and 20. Again, we say this every week. That's where we get the support for the show. We've, we've put some of those funds to use recently. It's been really exciting, uh, to be able to, to, to take your guys's donations, your, your, uh, support of the show and put it towards the things that we're actually doing week to week. So we really appreciate it. We love having you, even if you just want to listen and you don't want to support us that way. Totally fine. But if you feel like, I love, I love this show. I love listening to it. I'm willing to give these guys a buck a month. We're so appreciative. Don't forget to tune back in next Thursday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Andrew	Bye.