Episode 36 GMT Watches

Published on Wed, 03 Jul 2019 18:55:00 -0700

Synopsis

The hosts Andrew and Everett discuss GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) watches, providing historical context on the development of GMT and dual-time watches. They review several affordable GMT watch options from brands like Orient, Seiko, and Bernhardt. They also briefly discuss TV shows like Black Mirror and Big Little Lies, as well as Everett's new running shoes from Nike.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. This is the 1420 podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend, Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Everett Everett, how are you? I'm manageable. I'm manageable. The, um, work week is already in full swing. We're recording a little later than normal. We usually record on the weekends. This is a weekday. So it's a weird transition to go from work to sort of preparation to recording. So.
Andrew uh but we made it here we are yeah here we are here we are you didn't work today well i worked at the house though i have a new three-day weekend schedule so i have sunday monday tuesday off which was great but for the fact that we had an actual proper southern storm roll through last week complete with hail driving wind and rain that you couldn't really drive in because it was so uh heavy i mean it was it was a it was a rainstorm i have not seen since I left the American South. Uh, and it as a result tore two fiberglass panels off of my back porch cover, a patio cover, whatever you want to call it. Uh, so I spent the last three days, uh, fixing that, which turned out to be far more expensive than I expected. Right. Um, but it's, I mean, so I, I'd planned on, on doing an upgrade to it. Uh, it needed painted cause it had probably not been painted in 10, 15 years. So the paint was all shitty and moldy. So, uh, this was a, catalyst to be able to do that. So I went and got everything, sanded it all down, painted it, uh, and then I went to hang the new paneling on top and, um, my math was wrong. So I'm not done. I had to go to Lowe's tomorrow and buy one more because when I did the math on the width of panels that I needed, I accounted for a two inch overlap, which would still put me in the green zone. But when you overlap things on both sides, you lose more than just what I counted for. So I have this torturous, small section that's just looking at me. And if we weren't recording tonight, I would have gone to Lowe's and finished it. But I got into a jam where I was like, I don't, I literally do not have enough time to finish all the things that I need to finish.
Everett So... A little triage. 40 and 20 comes first, folks.
Andrew Well, it did tonight.
Everett This is the, this is the suffering.
Andrew Yeah, well, I mean, we're not recording any later this week. So, um, yeah, yeah. And it's week of 4th of July. So happy America, everybody.
Everett Happy America. This is going to be published on Independence Day. And in fact, we've got a tip today that we should do American watch brands for our show today. And I thought, yeah, that'd be a great idea if we hadn't already picked a topic and researched for it.
Andrew Well, next week, coming at you next week, American watch brands. I said, I said, well, the decline of the American watch industry.
Everett That was a great idea. Maybe next year. Yeah. Or just do it next week. Um, yeah, yeah. I went to my first bar mitzvah this weekend. In your life? Yeah. I've never been to a bar mitzvah before. How was that? It was fun. It was fun.
Andrew Interesting, huh? Like, I don't know how traditional a bar mitzvah was, but I've been, I've been to a couple as a kid and as a kid they were like, I mean, probably to this day, one of the most shocking cultural events of my life.
Everett You know, it was not shocking to me at all.
Andrew You're an adult. It shouldn't have been shocking.
Everett It was all in Hebrew and interesting and fun. I got to wear a yarmulke, which that was fun. I wore a yarmulke. Those things are great. You know, as an accessory guy, a professional accessory guy, I thought, gosh, these things are cool. They stay put. They're light. You know, you can, you know, probably dial in your appropriate diameter. This is great.
Andrew And they come with all kinds of styling options. Yeah. Yeah.
Everett Fantastic. Mine had basketballs on it. I was just going to say you could have a basketball. Gold basketballs. Little gold basketballs.
Andrew I wonder how many other people's heads that have spin on. Well, none. None. You took your tongue?
Everett Yeah. It was given to me and it's mine forever and ever amen. All right. Right. But yeah, that was good. We danced. That was fun. In fact, you know, you go and you're dancing, it's a party. Kim's wearing heels and she was looking good and it's like we're dancing and she was like we're at a synagogue. I was like okay. She's like we won't be later. She gave me the five fingers like back it up sir.
Andrew Five fingers outstretched in a stop not the five fingers.
Everett I'm just feeling all bar mitzvah you know.
Andrew That'll happen. I don't know what that word means. That's what you were feeling the exact same way those 13 year olds were. That's right. That's right.
Everett Yeah, it was good though. It was a lot of fun. Family, uh, good family that, um, we don't get to spend enough time with and just wonderful people. So it was good.
Andrew What a good weekend. Good weekend. I can't believe you've made it this long without ever having been to one.
Everett Yeah. I mean, I generally don't go to things, so.
Andrew Okay. Sit at your house, watch Walking Dead now. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. That's it. Basically just Walking Dead. There's so many of them. It just keeps going and going. And every time I'm convinced, well, the story can't really be get more interesting. They catch me with something. They catch me with something. Yeah, they do, until they don't. Yeah, that's what I've heard. That's what I've heard. So I'm on season four now, just about at the end of season four. So my understanding is that season five, it kind of does a womp womp.
Andrew Remind me, what's happening in season four?
Everett So they've just had the second, the big battle at the prison. Okay. The governor comes in. The governor. With the tank and shoots the place up. Yeah. Um, so that's just happened. So everybody's kind of spread to the wind right now. They've just spread to the wind. Uh, I think we're going to get some Michonne backstory.
Andrew You got about two, two seasons left before it lost me.
Everett Okay, good. So I still have more good time. You have plenty more. Yeah. And I'll just blast through it and Instagram while I watch it and it'll be fun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's low stress. This is a low stress viewing opportunity for me.
Andrew Certainly not a low stress show.
Everett No. No. I do have some watch news. Bring it. I've recently procured a long time gotta buy watch for me. I found the right watch at the right price. And it's cheap. These things are dirt cheap. But I bought a G-Shock. I bought a white G-Shock. And it's the Multiband 6 Tough Solar 5610 I think. GWM 5610 in white. It's JDM. It's cool as shit, and I'm excited, but because it's JDM and they're hard to find it's gonna take like three weeks to get here, so.
Andrew What are they walking it over or something? Like what's happening?
Everett What's the deal? They might be. It's a slow boat. I think it's a slow boat delivery, so it was free, which is good. The watch or the shipping? The watch was not free, although they're really affordable. It's crazy. You look, you know, even if you were are gonna get fancy with it. They're still dirt cheap, you know. And there's something to be said for a watch that you can get multiple iterations and dial in what you want and get virtually the same package, right? You can get the DW5600E for anywhere from, you know, 30 to 65 bucks. And that's gonna serve most people's purposes, right? It does everything a G-Shock is supposed to do. And then from there, if you want to get more fancy, you can get more fancy, get a better module, get different functions. You know, if you want a tide graph, because that's important to you, you get a G-Lide, you know, or whatever, you can get these watches that will do exactly what you want in the same form factor. I think it's just such a fun idea. Um, and obviously G-Shock runs the gamut from affordable to oh my god what um and you know some of these some of these master of g watches are you know into the thousands of dollars um and you know you get a precious metal five thousand or something like that and you can spend really a lot of money but it's crazy to think i can get this 45 g shock or i can get a 900 frogman with virtually the same module Well, yeah, I think the modules are a little different, right? But, but yes, yeah, that's right. Uh, it's kind of crazy. Yeah, it's crazy.
Andrew I mean, those Frogmans are cool.
Everett Frogman is cool, man.
Andrew I think, you know, I, I tend, I've always kind of been curious about the, the difference between, not, not the difference, because I understand the difference between the Protrek line and the G-Shock line, but I've been curious about, uh, the, the business thinking behind those two lines.
Everett You know, I'm sure it's just market, right? We've got a market here. One thing that had never occurred to me before I started looking into G-Shocks was how different the marketing and the emphasis on them. You know, at some point, if you don't know much about it, which I, until very recently, knew very little about G-Shocks, you just sort of think, oh, well, there's all these G-Shocks and they look, each one of them, a little different, but they're all the same watch. I don't know that I've changed my thinking on that. Basically, they're all very similar, right? You've got the Rangeman and, you know, these things that do, that do different stuff. Mudmaster. That's right. That's right. Um, but, but at some, at some level you start to realize, oh, these things are marketed to a specific group. Uh, you know, people doing certain things, you know, obviously Mudmaster or the Mudman are marketed to folks who are going to have a tendency to get mud in their watch. I don't know who that is.
Andrew Tough Mudder runners.
Everett That's right. They're, they're marketed. Spartan racers. To Spartan racers. The Frogman is a dedicated dive watch. The Rangeman, I think, is like an alpining watch or something. I don't know. I think it's got an ABC. So they've got these really dedicated watches, which I'm not sure how practical these differentiations are. Certainly an ABC complication or an ABC set of complications is going to be practical for certain tasks. Like the Frogman, they're all 200 meter watches. All G-Shocks are 200 meter watches. What am I getting out of that? No, I will say, I think the Frogman is the coolest G-Shock, just the way it looks. For me, aesthetically, that sort of asymmetrical case, but can I dive with any G-Shock?
Andrew Yeah.
Everett I mean, I think I could, right?
Andrew They're all 200 meters.
Everett That's right. I, you know, it's interesting, you know, maybe it's got, maybe it's got module stuff. I didn't honestly don't know enough about it. People are probably gritting their teeth and shaking their fists at me right now.
Andrew Bottom line is there's a G-Shock for everyone. It doesn't matter what the fuck you do. That's right.
Everett That's right. So yeah, I've got a white, I finally got my white 5600 on the way, although it's a 5610. Uh, and I, and I'm pumped and I got it for a song, but it's going to take forever to get here.
Andrew I was excited to see the picture of what you sent me today. My first question was, is it in your cart? And your answer was, more than that. Pass that.
Everett Yeah, pass that. You know, I will say this. I really like the GWM 5610, the black version. And it's got that classic 5000 red line, and it's got some gold print, and it's got a little bit of blue print. And I love the way it looks.
Andrew It's very 80s in its design. It's colors that aren't necessarily complementary of one another, but they work well together.
Everett That's right. So the GWM5610MD, like medical doctor, which is the one I've ordered, has a pretty sterile bezel or a pretty sterile dial. It's black and white, so monochromatic. And it's a negative display. I'm considering picking up a GWM 5610 black version and swapping the modules out and then selling and then selling the MD module in the regular black 5610 case because I think I could probably sell it for about you know I'll lose a little bit of money in the deal but then I'll get the watch I really want I'll be able to get rid of that recoup most of that money so I'm thinking about doing that but I'll decide when I get it I don't think I want a negative display.
Andrew I think it looks good. I think it just it makes that white just pop even more.
Everett It does do that. It does do that. So a decision has to get made here pretty soon. Does it? Well, yeah, because what I don't want to do is I don't because I wear my watches, right? And I know you do too, right? I'm not taking care of any of this stuff, especially I'm not going to take care of a G-Shock. I'm going to wear it. And so I don't want to damage the I don't want to damage the screen. I want to be able to sell someone a basically brand new.
Andrew Oh, I'm suggesting you don't buy the black one. Oh, well, yeah. Like you make that decision. That's what I was saying. Like, is it, are you short time? Like, do you have that 5,600 that you're ready to swap the module for right now?
Everett The answer is no. Well, so that's why, that's all I mean. I just need to make a decision quick. I just need to make a decision pretty soon if I'm going to do that or not. Cause then I can sell a basically brand new watch that's just been modded. and recover most of the price. Yeah, I think I might do that. You know, if you're listening to this and you think, yeah, I'll buy that from you, give us a give us a shout and maybe that'll help me make the decision. Yeah. Not that I'm trying to sell watches on the podcast. No, we haven't done that. No. Is it a rule that we can't?
Andrew I don't think so. OK.
Everett All right. All right. So we're talking about watches this week. Sometimes. We're talking about GMT watches this week. GMT watches. Greenwich Mean Time. Greenwich, I think it's actually.
Andrew Greenwich? Yeah. Perhaps. Or more confusing, Coordinated Universal Time, UTC. I'm not an acronym guy. I'm an acronym guy. I know about all about acronyms and that's not a correct acronym. That's kind of messed up. Yeah.
Everett It's kind of messed up. It's broken. What they did with that.
Andrew Yeah, it doesn't, well, it makes sense, but it sounds better. But it all, it's a whole thing. Anyway, We're getting into GMT watches and GMT watches, I think, have always been fascinating to me because there's always seemed to have been a premium placed on GMT watches above many other varieties of watches. It seems like you hear about a GMT, you see a GMT, and immediately your eyes gravitate towards it. Even if your eyes will pass over or you'll just glaze over a dozen other types of watches. And I think it comes from the fact that they're just fucking cool. You don't see them very often. they look really good there's something that that off color extra hand grabs your eye in a way that no other watch can and spoiler alert i didn't pick a digital watch this week just just so everyone knows you know andrew eschewed his his responsibility this week and he made me pick the subject uh which i was kind of like well that's the one thing you do but okay i guess i'll do it i'm clearly not even good at it um and so i picked gmt watches but i gave them rules i said andrew
Everett One Casio, one digital watch, and no more. I'll give them to you, but there can only be one Casio and one digital watch.
Andrew Because the answer is, the best GMT of all time is the Casio World Timer. Right. One button. What else does a person need? I'm surprised you didn't pick it. I thought about it, but there's a couple other GMTs out there that I have had my eyeballs on. And honestly, my picks did not change much because the topic I was going to suggest is a watch that you're lusting over right now. And one of my picks is one of those watches that I've been lusting over for quite some time. And there will be a conversation had when I get home based on the price change.
Everett Oh, interesting. I want to know which one. You know which one. Okay. Price change.
Andrew I gave it away.
Everett Oh, okay.
Andrew All right. So.
Everett Shall we dive into GMT watches? GMT watches. GMT watches.
Andrew A history shrouded in mystery. No it's not. Yes it is. We begin in ancient Egypt today on our travels. Womp womp. And basically anything you read about GMTs is gonna, there's gonna be some kind of hearkening back to the ancient Egyptians being the first folks on the planet to track time down to 24 hours. I don't think that constitutes a GMT watch.
Everett No, it's not a GMT watch.
Andrew I don't think that constitutes anything even remotely related to GMT watches.
Everett Every article you read about GMT watches starts with the Egyptians.
Andrew Which is dumb, with a capital B at the end. If that's the case, if every article about GMTs begins with the ancient Egyptians, so does every other watch timekeeping article just because they have, which I mean, in fairness, it's pretty impressive.
Everett Yeah. I mean, they were all right. I'm not saying it. I'm not saying it's aliens that they broke it down to 24 hours in a day.
Andrew I appreciate that, but that's not the beginning of GMT watches. Yeah. Cool. Thanks. You built some pyramids and you, you, you tell time some cool shit, but they're unrelated in my, Humble opinion.
Everett So right, Egypt invented the idea of a 24-hour day, right? As far as we know, they were the first people on the earth to split a day into 24 segments, right?
Andrew I wonder if they were equal time. I don't know. If there was 24, like, if it was like the way hobbits do meals. You know, midday being the longest.
Everett You know, Egypt must have been an incredibly efficient society. So I assume it had something to do with that. They were trying to maximize efficiency with measures of time. I mean, that makes sense to me. Because there's nothing inherent about 24 hours in a day. It's not inherently so that there's 24 segments of time in a day. no no no i agree yeah and i don't know that there's any good that there's any good reason for it either i mean it would be overtime for beyond a 40-hour work week that's the good reason for it you could just as likely have 50 or 100 um segments or 10 or 20 right so i appreciate it i think it's fine the story starts there 24 hours Back to Egypt. Now, can we please move the fuck on?
Andrew Yes, let's move on. And we're going to start, and I think this is where it really starts. In 1675, Greenwich Mean Time is established to aid sailors at sea. Again, watches being the cornerstone of a solution for a problem because timekeeping... Yikes. Usually when you're about to snap a bottle cap towards me I close my eyes I did not even have time that was like just such a quick like open snap like rapid-fire. Yeah, that was that was quick reload I missed you did it fortunately because if it hit me in the eye It could have been bothersome career ender. No, just bothersome.
Everett So 1675. Oh, yeah, they established Greenwich meantime, and then nothing happens because it was only the Spit it out, Andrew.
Andrew It's, I don't know what the, the, the, the crown. It was just the English. Yeah. The English being the English. They were the only people adhering to it. The only people that gave a shit and everyone else was just doing their own thing. Obviously there was timekeeping, but the world as it was intermingling and trading and training, being trains, uh, the world needed a way to keep time. Relative to each time zone against other time zones. So 1884 yeah 1884 1884 the International Meridian Conference was held in Washington DC. It was a blast too. Let me tell you. Oh gosh to be there To see Arthur President Arthur. Oh gosh President Arthur Yeah, Arthur because he followed Garfield Who got shot?
Everett There's a president I feel like I've never heard of. That's okay. I'm gonna have to learn everything there is to know about Chester Arthur.
Andrew There's not much to know beyond the fact that he chaired, sat in, on the International Meridian Conference. Thank you, President Arthur. Which... Rollercoaster. Rollercoaster. It was an international conference of people who came together to decide where... I'm gonna read it. Decide on a meridian to be the common zero time for global timekeeping. And you know who all got on board? Everyone but the French.
Everett You know, those French.
Andrew They were not down with it until about like the early 1900s, I think 1910, 1911. But everyone sat down and agreed that the Greenwich Observatory that kept the Greenwich mean time would be the global zero standard for global timekeeping. with every time zone east being plus an hour and every time zone west being minus an hour. And that's how it came to be. And I wonder if that had played any effect on the way that we see world maps when they're flat. Uh, Greenwich is dead center. And I wonder if, like, imagine if, if somewhere in Siberia were the, uh, were the zero, zero, zero, zero, the zero meridian, if, uh, Siberia would be, I mean, obviously it would be dead center on the map because that's the reason that Greenwich is the the middle 1884, the International Meridian Conference is held and establishes a true, globally recognized GMT time, Greenwich Mean Time Time, that then starts to create... You're just, you're making things up.
Everett I love it. Mean Time Time?
Andrew Okay, keep going. Well, it's sort of GMT time. That's redundancy. I hate when people use like an acronym. that has the last, like, GMT time. That's an acronym that bugs the shit out of me.
Everett We should do a section of the podcast, like a recurring segment. Things that grind my gears. A recurring segment where we just hurl insults at each other and call it Mean Time Time. I love it. Did you, did beer come out your nose? Close.
Andrew It was the, uh, the equivalent of having a, having, having like two Tums and then taking a big A big quaff of beer and just foam everywhere.
Everett Okay, I want to know about Fleming. Tell me about Sir Stanford Fleming. You do it. Oh, okay. So, well, I don't really want to do it. Okay, so 1879, this fellow, Sir Sanford Fleming. He's a Scottish born Canadian. Thank you. Worn and wound. High consumption and some other website. I can't remember right now. he he says he says hey we gotta break this into 24 segments and why this world hey we got 24 hours let's break it into 24 segments now here's the thing this is the mythology i do not believe i do that this guy actually did this maybe he was the guy with the loudest voice in the room but come on 200 years later oh nobody's ever thought of this before yes yes we have it's like Columbus invented the round world. No, he didn't.
Andrew Well, he found that it was round because he didn't fall off the edge. Duh.
Everett Everybody knew who the world was round. I think this is mythology. Anyway, Sanford Fleming, a Scottish born Canadian that doesn't even exist anyway. That's a weird thing. He's credited for sort of breaking the world into 24 time zones, quote unquote time zones. And now we know that that's not true. I think there's 31 or 32 time zones. I think there's 32. 31 or 32. I mean, they're still within the constraints of the 24 hours, right? Because if they weren't, we'd have a problem. Well, there's some halfsies. That's right. There's some halfsies. So in any event, this guy is credited for saying, you know, we go X amount of miles east and it's the next time zone. And those that X amount of miles is dedicated to roughly a 24 hour division around the world, around the globe.
Andrew Have you ever been anywhere, um, where you routinely crossed time zones? No. So I had a friend who lived, uh, near the, well, he lived in central time, but his work was Eastern time because he lived right on that boundary. Uh, and it was, he said it was one of the strangest experiences of his life. You're just losing time all the time. Yeah. It was ridiculous. Yeah. Cause we, like I went to his office with him and I was like, where is everyone? He's like, Oh, it's a lunch. I was like, it's 11. Not here. Not here. It isn't. But it's nice to go West where bars are still open. So that's what I said for that.
Everett You just keep it going. Keep the party going.
Andrew Well, you can only, you can only do that so many times before you start running out of time. But if you're right near the, right near that time zone boundary, you need an extra hour of boozing.
Everett Yeah. And you get a freshen, you know, as a young man, you might just go a little bit west to freshen the pot. It's like, oh, it's two o'clock. Pickens are getting slim.
Andrew I got hoes, different area codes, different time zones.
Everett I'm going to go to the block down the street in that other time zone where we still got an hour to go.
Andrew Where he lived, I don't think it would get better. That pond is not improving its population.
Everett Okay. So we got to talk about watches. Let's do it.
Andrew Let's get into it.
Everett So anyway, uh, well, well, well, so we're getting close, right?
Andrew We're getting close.
Everett We're going to keep pushing on 19th century. Yeah. Again, we break it into 24 hours. Nothing really happens for another 60, 70 years. That's super important to the development of GMT watches. However, super developed, super important to the development of watches period, halfway through the 20th century, 1952 here comes intercontinental flight. The first intercontinental flight. in between England and South Africa. Doesn't that seem late? It does seem late. It does seem late. And maybe it's the first intercontinental commercial flight. Because, you know, clearly things were happening before then where people were doing stumps and whatever.
Andrew And bombing other countries.
Everett We all of a sudden, commercial flight overseas between continents becomes a reality. 1952 is this credit, this first intercontinental flight. Um, and this establishment of commercial air travel means all of a sudden we've got a new industry. We've got a new place for products to dive in and say, Hey, buy me, buy me, buy me.
Andrew And a new industry for professionals who need tools for their profession.
Everett That's what happens. That's what happens. So many people, the next part, the next thing they'll say is in 1954, Rolex introduced the GMT Master II, but that's not us. We're not going to say that. No.
Andrew Although it's a cool watch and it was, it was partnership with Pan Am and it's awesome. That's not it.
Everett We're going to start a year earlier. Yep. We're going to start a year earlier with the Glycine Airman.
Andrew It's a beautiful watch.
Everett Beautiful watch. Cool. And it does the same thing. So let's, let's get this out of the way. There are multiple ways to skin this cat. There are multiple ways to skin this cat. And, and that is the important thing to remember. So not all GMT watches are created equal. Correct. Not all GMT watches are created equal. There's multiple movement styles. There's multiple ways to complete this complication. The GMT, or excuse me, the, the Glycine Airman is perhaps the most simple.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett By just having a 24 hour clock with a bezel that can track a different time zone. Boom time. Three hands. Simple as can be. 24 hour module. GMT.
Andrew But would you call it a dual time? You know, I don't know if it's a dual time.
Everett I actually, I think I correct my statement. I don't think it is a quote unquote dual time, but that's what it does. You've got that dual time functionality on the vessel. So 24, you break that, you break that clock into 24 segments. You have a bezel that will give you a second time zone when you turn it. All of a sudden you can track second time.
Andrew I kind of like a 24 hour dial, not a, not 24 hour markers. I kind of like a 24 hour. hand, one rotation, one revolution for every 24 hours.
Everett You know, it's super interesting. I think that it probably makes telling time harder.
Andrew Um, I mean, relative to how we're used to telling time, but I think, I think you wear it two days and you're on, you know, you got your days in the quarters, like it's late night, early morning, morning, afternoon, evening.
Everett Right. Right. Yeah. No, there's, there's some fun. There's some simplicity to that. Um, depending on what you're trying to do. I think precise measurements of time at a glance are made more difficult.
Andrew Yeah, no, absolutely. There's no debate there.
Everett So the first GMT watch? Glycine Airmen. Although it's not credited as such.
Andrew I don't know how you can't credit it as such. It has to be. In my mind, in the 40 in 20 mind, that is the advent of
Everett the GMT watch? And the answer is because Rolex, I think. The answer is because Rolex. So a year later, probably less than a year later, probably at the same time, frankly, because there's another watch that's in there that I'm right now blanking on that's in the mix too. But a year later, Pan Am, by way of Rolex, gets this thing made that will turn out to be one of the coolest watches in the world. for forever and ever.
Andrew Yeah, one of the most iconic watches of all time. The G&T Master.
Everett And it's so cool. Super cool. I want one of the OGs. Like an original 1954.
Andrew You think I could mortgage my house and get it?
Everett No, I don't think. I do not think you could get one if you mortgaged your house. What if we both do? Well, I don't own my house, so. All the more reason for you to do it. yeah so you know what i i think my favorite thing about this is the the gmt wars on the forums the gmt forum wars are really very specific they're very specific everybody has a certain function that is their favorite and if it's not this it's nothing and yada yada yada whoa that's all watches let's be serious here that's true if it's not if it's not a mechanical chronograph it's not really a chronograph the gmt master does this in a very simple way all they do is they add a fourth hand and they slow it down they slow it down by exactly 50 percent giving one hand that makes a 24-hour revolution one hand that makes a 12-hour revolution one hand that revolves 60 minutes every hour and then obviously your second hand so they add a hand and they slow it down piece of cake easy peasy and then they give you a rotating bezel And so the GMT hand is married to the local hand. If you turn the hour hand, the GMT hand turns with it. So you're required to use your bezel in order to track another time zone. So it tracks two time zones. You don't get any fancy movement. It's just a regular old movement.
Andrew Now, I think in my mind, in the way I've kind of arbitrarily defined dual time versus GMT That's a GMT or that's a dual time to me.
Everett Well, I think that most people would say that today Yeah, I think that's right. I think I think a dual time the Both the the the hand the our hands are married But I Think the history would history would argue with you on that because that is the GMT watch that is what GMT was when Jim to for
Andrew That's what Rolex said it is. 30 years. I'm gonna stick it to the man. For 30 years. I agree, I take it.
Everett It doesn't change for 30 years. That is, you know, it's incredible to me how recent this history is too. Right? Very recent history, you know.
Andrew Like in some of our listeners' lifetimes, not mine, a little bit on the younger end, but. Certainly in mine. Yeah, you're the oldest buck. But yeah, I mean, it's crazy.
Everett Yeah, I mean, the idea that we could have an independently settable GMT hour hand or GMT hand is a new idea. Or at least a relatively new idea.
Andrew It's new.
Everett Yeah. I mean, it's new. That's what I said. Yeah, I agree. And so that I mean, I think for all intents and purposes, that brings us current more or less, right?
Andrew Yeah, yeah, I mean, it absolutely does. We've got an independent GMT hand, we've got dual times, and we've got a non which
Everett iterations of dual times whether it be it's married to it and it adjusts or a rotating bezel or a rotating in Interior bezel which we haven't really touched on but we will you've got independent So there's two sort of this is the the heart of the debate on the forums and I think it's probably overblown, but you've got Independent GMT hands and you've also got independent our hands. So so the marriage of the minutes and to the GMT hand or the hour hand is an important distinction that gets made later on. For me, I don't find that I have enough energy to worry about it or even to think about it much more than I have today. But that is another distinction that people are going to want to make. And I think that there is, if you're traveling a lot, you may want to have an independently settable hour hand. You know, so the hour hand jumps in hour increments. Um, you, you, and you have the minute hand tied to the GMT hand. I think if you're traveling a lot, that that's preferable for a number of reasons. But for me, I can just, you know, I don't travel enough to make that even a moment's consideration in my head. You don't even set your watch some days.
Andrew That's true. I mean, that's true. I mean, and I think, I think in my mind, A current true GMT is an independently settable 24 hour hand.
Everett Yeah. And I think that people would argue with you on that point. I'm certainly not, but I think that either of those, either of those iterations, whether the GMT hand is settable or whether the hour time, whether the GMT hand is free or the hour hand is free, um, either one of those is going to fit the bill for me.
Andrew All right. But dual time and GMT all fit into the same GMT pile, regardless of how you get to that time. As long as you can have two time zones shown on your watch, that qualifies as a GMT. 24-hour bezel, to me, on a three-hander, doesn't count. That's dual time. No, I don't think so. I think just being able to rotate your 24-hour bezel on a three-hand watch, not
Everett So we obviously took information from some articles. I'm going to link to several articles. There's one from Worn and Wound, one from Gear Patrol, one from High Consumption.
Andrew They're smarter than us.
Everett Yeah. And so we'll link to those articles. That's where we got all of our information and we're happy to be corrected and we'll just blame it on them.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Perfect. Because we're wrong, usually. So watch number one, we're both going to take credit for this one.
Andrew Yeah. Record week, breaking records, setting records. Um, this week we had the most overlap because we usually choose watches independently and bring them to the table and then talk about them. And, uh, this week we had more overlap than we have ever had before. That's right.
Everett That's right. Twice. And it was good overlap. Yeah. It's good overlap. So, so the first watch, Orion men's Polaris GMT, stainless steel, Japanese automatic watch with leather strap, brown 21 model. I'm reading off of Amazon, you guys. FDJ 05003W0. Link is in the show notes. AJ Bar say drink.
Andrew Oh, is he drink every time we say Link is in the show notes?
Everett I don't think they do drink, but I think they say drink.
Andrew Link is in the show notes. Link is in the show notes. Get it. First off, this is every other Orient watch. One of the things that I love about Orient and I love about Seiko is that you can see them in their watches. You can immediately identify an Orient or a Seiko right away. And you see it a lot in micros, but you have to know that micro or small, whatever you want to call it, brand. You have to know it to recognize that DNA. But that's something that I love about Orient and I love about Seiko is that you can You can see it at a distance and recognize it for that brand. And this could be any other of a dozen varieties of Orient watches, and you'd never know that it was a true GMT. It's a little bit big for my taste, but I think what you're getting out of it, I think it kind of, for me, it falls into the category of a chronograph where I'm willing to cede a little bit of size for the purpose of the functionality. Oh, certainly. Yeah. Because this is 42 and a half?
Everett 42 and a half. Yeah, that's right. And it's beautiful. It's, it's gorgeous. It's got a 20, it's got a 21 millimeter lug set, which is whatever, but Orient it's Orient. Yeah. Um, you, you know, this is definitely dressier. I think that any of the other watches that we pulled today, it's, it's a dressy watch and you know, the GMT, especially with the size of a GMT feels to me like a sports watch. I do wish it came on a bracelet.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett And you can buy these on, I think they come on a shark mesh. Some of them do.
Andrew That's an unusual characteristic of GMTs. It seems to be a lot come on shark mesh. I don't want a shark mesh. Or on a Milanese or any of that variety of bracelets.
Everett I don't know why. I want an Oyster bracelet or a Jubilee perhaps, but I want a bracelet because this is a sports watch. I'm doing sporty things. But this is the dress version of that. Very cool watch, notwithstanding that. I say that complaint as if it's a disqualifier. Certainly it's not.
Andrew This is for your flight from LA to Tokyo in a business suit to go to a meeting from the airport.
Everett So this watch has a cool movement. It's got that 40P51 movement, which is, I think, the only affordable Automatic GMT movement that exists on the face of the earth. I think that there may be some Chinese There may be a single Chinese GMT Movement and I and I can't come up with it off the top of my head also 2836 modification so that at a 2836 is often modified to include a GMT, but Those are more expensive than this.
Andrew This is a movement 9015 is modded for a GMT and we'll talk about that in a minute. Okay
Everett So so so this is a dedicated GMT independently settable GMT hand.
Andrew Yeah, I'm not so he's head for that.
Everett Yeah You know, it's got a sapphire crystal I mean this is a high and it's not an orient star, but I think that this Bleeds into their higher-end stuff.
Andrew It's as close as you can get without getting there. Yeah, I mean it's coming in at 370 yeah, I've gone I think for less than that I've got $370 on the Orient website. You've got $320 on Amazon. Yeah, which is usually a little bit bigger discount going to Amazon. I would have thought like high $275, $280. But I mean, still, you're looking at a mechanical GMT here.
Everett Safe to say, this is going to be the cheapest automatic GMT that you can readily find available.
Andrew Barring one. Barring one. And that's limited time.
Everett OK. Okay. All right. I know what you're, I know what you're talking about.
Andrew Are we done with this? Cause this is, I mean, I don't know what more to say is this is a true to form, beautiful Orient watch, a little bit bigger than I'd like, which is standard for Orient. Just always a little bit bigger. Yeah, 42. Weird lug width, but could fit in a dress environment. I don't know that you can wear it in like a true casual environment. It'd work if you want to pull it off, it'd work. But I think it would look a little bit out of place.
Everett I think depending on what strap you're wearing it on, you're going to want to change the shitty leather strap for sure. Yeah, their OEM straps are not great. I think you could pull it off, no problem, casual. So, all right, watch number two. This is the one that I picked that you did not pick, which was a rarity today, so it's notable. This is a little bit bigger, 43.5 millimeters, the Seiko SUN037. This is a kinetic, like the SUN Uh, that we talked about last week. Um, but it's, it's a little bit different. This is more of a simple dressy sport watch. And I would say that this is dressy. It's much like the Orient.
Andrew Super similar. Like I think identical handset. Blued hands. Similar color scheme. That's right.
Everett But it's on a bracelet. Uh, similar markers, uh, full meal deal, but it comes on a bracelet. So, and it's a shitload cheaper. It's not an automatic movement. It's not a mechanical movement. This is a quartz movement with a kinetic rotor. And Seiko, I love what they've done. I don't know if I have a picture of this, but this has a display case back. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. It's got a display case back. I dig that. I do too. You know, you can see the quartz module with the rotor on top of it. And that's, that's super cool. I think it's a neat idea. Um, it's not going to be as interesting as a display case back on a, on an automatic or mechanical motor.
Andrew It could be more interesting because it's truly novel.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. I mean, certainly you're going to be able to see that rotor turn and to be able to talk, if you're talking about it, you're going to be able to talk about that. So $175 on Amazon for this guy. That's a good price. Right now.
Andrew You know what? So I also want to talk about some of the, uh, the SUN series of Seiko's because they have a whole shitload of kinetic GMTs. They've got a paddy version and they've got some kind of, kind of field watch looking, kind of like in that Bertucci style field watch, like just some rugged looking watches. And my, I didn't, I was not aware of the display case back. One of my chief complaints is I've worn a couple of these Seiko Kinetics and it feels, it's weird to feel that rotor like wrenching around every time you move. It feels like you have a three pound weight thrown around as you're, as you're powering that watch. The other problem that I have is if you're not going to be a one or two watch person, the kinetic movement has some weaknesses, some pretty significant wantings.
Everett Yeah, we've talked about this before. That's certainly true. They do have some power needs. And if you're not prepared to wear this on a fairly regular basis, you're going to run into that.
Andrew but they're all really cool and if you're a one or two watch type person and you're looking for a GMT movement and you have the time honestly to commit to a kinetic watch, these are a killer option because they're all affordable. I think most of them are under 300 bucks. You're going to get a GMT hand out of it. You're going to get a kinetic movement, which is cool. I mean, kinetic movements are really cool. I just don't have the, um, I don't have the discipline to,
Everett upkeep it properly well those tuna those uh shrouded dive watches i think are more than more than that now they're they're the expensive ones but yeah certainly you can get into these for for not very much i think you're at like 650 700 bucks for the 019 and the 065 and um 023 and 025 those shrouded dive watches and those are cool as fuck um
Andrew But yeah, I mean this is certainly a place to be if you want a GMT so They're cool shit, and if I were a scuba Charter scuba, or if I were a scuba charter or a snorkels charter diver in Hawaii And that was what I did for money. I could be a one-watch guy, and that's what I'd be wearing scuba Steve scuba Andrew Scuba drew I would have to change my name to drew scuba drew.
Everett You know we snorkel drew There's not a good dog once it was a mastiff And I fought really hard to name it Steve and my wife wouldn't go for it.
Andrew I wanted to name my coonhound Steve, but Sam also would not deal with it. So I have Walter. I have people names for my dogs because I think it's funny when dogs are named after people or people names. But I wanted Steve because coonhounds look so dumb. They got the droopy lips and the big dumb ass ears. She wasn't down with Steve. I got Walter.
Everett That's so funny that we had the same fight with our wives about a dog name. Steve would be appropriate for a Mastiff too. We wound up naming him Buster, but I narrowed it down to four and I was like, it's going to be one of these four. And she was like, you can't do that. And I was like, well, I'm doing it. So I said, Steve, Rainbow, Slaughterhouse, or Buster. And she said, Buster is the only one of those that's even possibly acceptable.
Andrew I like Slaughterhouse for a dog.
Everett That's a weird name. Well, because he was this huge mastiff. I mean, you remember Buster. Yeah, he was way too big for a dog.
Andrew He was huge. I could have ridden him, and I'm not a small guy. I'm not a big guy, but I'm not a small guy.
Everett So, next watch. Next up. Rest in peace, Buster, slash Steve, slash Rainbow.
Andrew Steve. We're going into Bernhardt, and we're going into Bernhardt for two watches. First up, we've got the Binnacle GMT-2, and right now we have the Black Iteration And it is, what, 624 money.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. And these have the, these have a modified 2836.
Andrew Yes. They've got, so they've got the modified at a 2836. They're a 39 millimeter case, which is just. Killer. It's good. And I don't know if we've talked about, we've talked about a couple of Bernhardt watches on here before.
Everett OG, micro brand, been killing it for days. Haven't changed much.
Andrew And these are. killer. The size is right. They're a little bit on the north end of what I'd be emotionally prepared to pay for a watch. But if you're looking for a GMT, you're getting an honest, automatic GMT movement. You're getting a beautiful, beautiful case. What I assume is going to be a great bracelet on it because it looks good. Everything about this watch is really thoughtfully and deliberately designed. Nice fat crown on it. And it's obviously an homage, right? Yeah, it is. This is obviously. We all know this watch. We recognize this watch when we see it. What I'm curious about is it says it's a limited edition.
Everett I don't think it is all that limited, but they've got numbered cases. Yeah, I don't know. This is 35 of 200. I mean, poor Fred. If he has only sold 400 of these or less than 400 of these over time, you know, his model, I think has worked for him. He's probably underpricing all of his watches. Um, and they're just haven't. They're just not as popular as they should be. We talk about them occasionally because it just always feels like, gosh, that's such a cool watch. Why don't we have that? And the answer is because we don't want it. And I don't know what it is for me.
Andrew It's the bezel. Yeah. For me, this looks like a true dive watch. Everything about it says dive watch to me. The markers, the black dial, the way the date window's designed with a 24-hour bezel. And the GMT hand, to me, is lost in the dial.
Everett Well, this is an Explorer II, right? It is. It's an Explorer II, and the Explorer II, they've sold
Andrew Hundreds and hundreds and thousands of them. And for way more money than this. And I get it, but there's just, I don't know what it is about this watch. As much as I like this watch, I'll never own it. But for those of you who are out on a hunt for a GMT and this sings to you, this is it. But there's something misses for me.
Everett 39 millimeters, fixed bezel, sapphire, dope bracelet, solid end links, signed crown. Uh, potentially limited edition, limited edition, super LumiNova. I think this watch is sick and I think it's great if you really want a, a, a real GMT. Um, you know, you're going to pay a little bit more for this, but holy shit, what a cool watch, but you're not going to pay the 1500 bucks that I think this stands up against. Yeah, I think that's right. I think that's right. So, uh, we, we can, why don't we, why don't we just talk about the world time?
Andrew So we'll go to the Biblical world and this is the watch that sings to me and it's typically.
Everett $3.79, right? Uh, I think that's the that's the opening price on it.
Andrew Yeah, they're at $2.84 right now.
Everett This is what you call this a tonneau case?
Andrew Yeah, tonneau case or barrel case whether you want to speak English or French, your call. Uh, I'm gonna call it a barrel because I'm America.
Everett And fuck those French.
Andrew Yeah, who wouldn't get on board with the GMT until 1910 or 11 or whatever it is. Come on.
Everett Those guys. Get with it. You know, you may have helped us gain our independence, but
Andrew only barely what have you done for me lately exactly there's the one so we've got a ton of case coming on the shark mesh bracelet and this one sinks me it's got an internal rotating bezel or dial to bezel yeah internet rotating bezel for for your GMT function you do you Andrew this is America Right.
Everett So is this a modified 9015 movement?
Andrew It is. It's a modified Miota 9015 in there. And at $284 right now on the website at the time we're recording on Tuesday, so you're gonna hear this on Thursday, America Day, I imagine it's gonna be the same price. This is the watch I'm talking about going home and having a conversation about. 41 and a half millimeter case. Great color scheme. It just screams Everything that I look for in like a racing chronograph, it's a, it's just sexy. Um, and this isn't an uncommon, uh, featured or uncommon design. Uh, you know, Ferrer's got a handful of, uh, GMTs that are really similarly designed. Well, this is a world time.
Everett So a little bit different, right?
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Well, world time, you're going to get, uh, a dial that, that actually shows the time zones as opposed to hours. So you can set, you know, you can set it to Dubai time or Anchorage time or whatever and rotate that dial, rotate that bezel, internal bezel to be where you need it to be.
Andrew Yep.
Everett Should have set that up front. Cool. But this is the one. And to clarify, I mean, so looking at the time on this one, obviously it's an independent hour or GMT and I'm not sure which one and it doesn't really matter. But so theoretically you could track three time zones with this. Whoa. Right?
Andrew Am I wrong about that? I think you're right. You'd have to math for one of them.
Everett But you could, right?
Andrew Yeah. So as long as you've not been drinking, you're good for three.
Everett And any GMT with a rotating bezel, you can do the same. Any GMT that either has an independent hour or independent settable GMT hand, if you've also got a rotating bezel, whether it's internal or external, you can do the same. So assuming, and this doesn't say that it has an independent, this does not say that it's got an independent hand, but looking at the set, the GMT hand's at four, the hour hand's at 10, so it must be independently set, unless my math is screwed up.
Andrew And so you said, just this picture on their website, notice what date is in the date window. 13? Three. Is it three? It's 13. Oh, God damn it. I want product photos to have the number in the date window correspond to the hour that it's placed at. Like if it's a four o'clock date window, I want it to be the fourth. If it's a three o'clock date window, I want it to be the third. And that one gets lost, so I did think it was the third. It's a pretty tall watch. Yeah, it's what, 14?
Everett You know, it might only be 14, but it looks taller than that to me. I don't see that it says, but it's got the big slab sides. I like it. Dual side crowns. Very cool watch.
Andrew Screw down, dual side crowns.
Everett Very cool. 200 meters of water resistance. You know, Bernhardt does all the things, man. Bernhardt is what a watch company would be if I had designed it. It's cooler than if I had done it. Minus all the stupid faults. I'm not saying I could have done watches as good as them. I'm just saying if I was making choices about watches, I would have made very similar choices to Bernhardt. There's some design details that I think have really bogged these guys down. You know, Fred has, I don't think made a ton of watches for under the Bernhardt label. And so I think that he's got stock that has been sitting for a little bit. Um, but yeah, in terms of function, he does the things that I think I would do if I was going to have a watch company. So they're good. So other things.
Andrew Yeah. What do you got Bubba? I've got a couple of things and they're, they're not a couple of things. They're not new. A couple of TV shows. Give me a fucking break.
Everett All right, give me a TV show because I love TV. All right, so a couple things.
Andrew Mike TV. Number one, if y'all haven't watched Black Mirror yet.
Everett Oh man, did you watch the new season? I did. Why is it only three episodes? I don't know because I think each of these episodes is like a full movie's worth of production.
Andrew Maybe. So here's the deal. Black Mirror, for those of you who are unfamiliar, is an anthology series. It is a Netflix original. It examines our interaction and our reliance and the human side of our interaction with technology. So there are a shitload of episodes. There's five seasons. The fifth season is only three episodes, and that's bullshit. So I'm calling you out, Netflix. Give me more Black Mirror. The previous four seasons... But probably the best three episodes of Black Mirror ever. You know, I didn't like the video game one, the VR video game one.
Everett Oh, the one where you have to do the selections on the controller?
Andrew No, no, I haven't done that because I haven't watched on my phone. My TV isn't compatible. No, no, the one where the two dudes get in the VR video game. I didn't like that one. And I don't know. It was good. I couldn't get into it. It was like I don't maybe I need to go back to it. But I have. I've tried to watch it twice and have anyway. So so Black Mirror examines our interaction with technology. And some of the episodes are frightening because they're not far out of reality. So I'll give you a spoiler. There is one episode that stands out my mind of like, this is real. This isn't like some TV show. The, the whole episode, uh, people's, uh, social and actual true capital is based off of their, uh, their Yelp reviews basically from other people.
Everett So every time you interact with another person, they give you a rating and your, uh, your credit score.
Andrew like your ability to buy homes, your ability to get a job, your ability to rent a fucking car is based off of your reviews from other people.
Everett And this is happening in some respects in China, right? It's real.
Andrew It's real. And maybe it's not like, I mean, there was the, the pilot of like Yelp reviewing other humans and they dropped that because that's, that's crazy. But that's, that's real. I mean, people, people take their social media capital to be there. Entire existence and don't forget to like us on Instagram Yeah, no hit us up on Instagram and iTunes because we're we're we can't rent a car right now Gas is $5 a gallon. It's not great Pump us up so we can get down to that $3.99 a gallon and so we can rent a Toyota Yaris But so episodes are like that there's there is I had to screen them for Sam because I knew someone would actually scare her and upset her cuz some of her dark they're like They're really dark. Yeah, but they are fascinating and they're all scary insofar as maybe the technology doesn't exist, but we're weeks away from that technology potentially existing. It's it's scary. It's a good. It's a good look in the mirror because the whole the whole problem is like black mirror is meant to be like the reflection you see of yourself in your phone when the phone's locked. That's the that's the thing his technology and
Everett You know, I think notwithstanding this sort of social or political significance, I think they're just wonderful. They're just wonderful stories. It's also really good TV. Well produced. Everything's fantastic. So, you know, that social media, I can't remember the name of that episode is, but we'll link to it down below. So if you want to check it out, but that one and the Star Trek, the Star Trek episode, those two episodes. are just fantastic. And in this latest season, I thought every episode was great. The Hannah Montana episode, killer, man.
Andrew Yeah, the Miley Cyrus one was really good. And that's real, like that's not, that's again, technology that's not far off. That could so happen.
Everett So if you haven't watched Black Mirror, check it out.
Andrew It's wonderful. Yeah, you're way behind the times, but you have a lot of binge-worthy TV waiting for you. Be prepared to be a little bit upset, though. Next up, Big Little Lies. Have you watched Big Little Lies?
Everett No, I haven't, but my wife keeps trying to get me to watch it.
Andrew Do it. Season one, so good. It is definitely the best collaboration of big name female leads in TV, period. I like females. So season one, so good. And the whole wait for season two, I was like, how are they going to top season one? How are they going to make a season two to the show? Because I felt like it should have been a miniseries. And going into season two, they did it. They added Meryl Streep and it has been so good. Totally overrated. Again, a kind of an upsetting show, like hard to watch show. But I feel like TV should engage you that way. Like good TV should make you a little uncomfortable. Yeah. And it does it. It does it.
Everett Watch it. Big Little Lies. Yeah. Kim keeps trying to get me to watch it. I haven't done it. Do it. It's worth it. Done.
Andrew No, it's not. We're still recording. Wouldn't it be great if we just took a break and like started up back up tomorrow after you'd watched everything and said done and it was actually done.
Everett That would be cool. We should do that sometime.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Okay. I'm gonna go poop. Done. So for my other thing, I've got a thing that like maybe 1% of our listeners are going to care about. Is that okay? I mean, to me, I'm talking to you guy who, who's a runner. So some of you guys probably, probably know or become aware that I like to run on purpose. My name is Everett and I like to run.
Andrew Hi Everett. Andrew believes running is for survival purposes only not recreation, right?
Everett He often gives me shit about running. However, I like to run. So I run. races i run races in the distance category so anything from 5k to 10k to a half marathon that's where i'm running by and large i've run nine marathons but i don't do that distance very often because it's it's a lot it's a lot of work so it's 10 hours of your life it's it's it's both more and less than that that didn't make sense All right. I mean, to train up for a marathon, you spend, you know, 40 hours. Yeah. Yeah. At least. And, and, but the actual race is, you know, three, three and a quarter hours, something like that.
Andrew Not for me.
Everett I picked up some new shoes. I picked up some new shoes and these are sexy. I think it's really cool because they're not, they're not actually even released shoes, which makes me feel super special. You're so special. It makes me feel special. So I picked up some shoes. These are the Zoom Fly 3, the Nike Zoom Fly 3.
Andrew Don't bother looking them up because you can't have them. You can find them online.
Everett You just can't buy them. And they're freaking amazing. So I've worn these around. I've done a mini run in them, but I'm going to use these for racing. And I'll tell you, you picked up a pair of running shoes, kind of normal running shoes. Those aren't normal running shoes. And these, I mean, they weigh, they weigh nothing. They're fantastic. So if you haven't checked out, Nike's got all these new fast, faster, fastest shoes. And I love them. I've always been a Brooks guy. I've worn, worn Brooks for probably, you know, 500 miles of races.
Andrew Was it you who got me into Brooks?
Everett What's that? Was it you who got me into Brooks? Perhaps. Yeah. I mean, I've worn Brooks for, I wore Brooks for 12 years, basically. Um, and have just recently, started wearing Nikes and everybody says, Oh, well, Nike's are Nike's are too small or Nike's fall apart. Well, here's the thing. Shoes fall apart, bro. You know, shoes fall apart and Nike's are different sizes. I've had, I've had, you know, Nike's that run large, run small, you know, you, you try them on, you get what you pay for it. When you have child labor, you try them on. That's the big deal. So anyway, these shoes probably do run hair big for me, I have, but easy enough to get the next size smaller. And they're just fantastic. I think Nike is doing more cool stuff in terms of fast racing shoes than anybody else in the industry. And these ZoomFly 3s, so far, don't have a ton of miles on them. Uh, if you care about it, you can message me on Instagram and I'll update you how they, how they wear. I'm not gonna, this is not going to be a training shoe. This is going to be a, maybe a speed work and race shoe, but I'm pumped about it. I got them on my feet right now and I'm just feeling, I'm just feeling fast. They're fast green. Every time I stand up, I feel like I need to run to where I'm going.
Andrew Full length of the foot, Nike Swoosh. They are super green.
Everett They're fast green. That's not quite tennis ball. That's a little bit more green than tennis ball, but there's something like that. They're akin to tennis ball.
Andrew I've seen golf balls that color, like a range ball.
Everett Yeah, the range ball green. And I'm just killing it. If you like running, check out the new... It's a Nike green.
Andrew I've had Nike running shoes in that same color.
Everett Check out the new Zoom Fly. Uh, obviously the Pegasus Turbo, you know, they, you know, these shoes range from about 150 to 250, depending on what you get. Um, and so you, you, you do you in terms of your budget, but these are the ones that I got. They haven't even been released. I'll put them on the Instagram. I'll take a picture of my, my white G shock when it comes. Ooh, that'll be in a year.
Andrew Um, you know, what was impressive about those is they weigh. about what a minimalist shoe weighs. Yeah. And they're not a minimalist shoe.
Everett They're not. No, you know, they've got a full stack, um, and they are super well cushioned carbon fiber plate. Um, super, super technically advanced shoe. Um, not minimalist by any means, but super light. I wish we were the same shoe size. So yeah, that's it, man. That's what I got. That's all I got. All right. Well, Thank you for joining us for this episode of 40 and 20. Don't forget to drop us a like on Instagram at 40 and 20. And if you want to support what we're doing here, feel free to check us out at patreon.com slash 40 and 20, where you can subscribe or become a patron of the show. Don't forget to tune back in next Thursday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
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