We like Bulgari, Now (347)

Published on Tue, 24 Jun 2025 07:29:00 -0700

Synopsis

In this episode of the Watch Clicker podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss several new watch releases and developments in the watch industry. They start by examining the new Bremont Supermarine 500 meter in stainless steel and the Christopher Ward C60 Trident Reef, comparing their approaches to luxury watchmaking. They also cover new releases from IWC, Blancpain, Rado, and Omega, including the IWC Ingenieur from the F1 movie and Blancpain's new 38mm Fifty Fathoms.

The hosts also discuss other topics including bourbon, with Andrew recommending Fred Minnick's book "Bourbon: The Rise, Fall, and Rebirth of American Whiskey." The episode concludes with Everett enthusiastically recommending the Murderbot book series by Martha Wells and its Apple TV+ adaptation, describing it as the most accessible and enjoyable sci-fi series in the last 50 years.

Throughout the episode, the hosts provide detailed technical specifications and pricing information for the watches discussed, while offering their personal opinions on design choices and market positioning of various brands and models.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett I'm great. I, uh, it's Sunday. I felt like I had a nice weekend. I feel rested. I feel kind of calm. That's a win. It is a win. Yeah. Andrew, how are you? I'm good.
Andrew I'm a little frazzled. This morning was really hectic. So we decided to get the kids loft bed. Well, Sam showed the kids. They decided they wanted. Sam decided to get the kids loft beds. So those are disassembled and sitting in my front room.
Everett A loft bed is like a bunk bed without a bottom bunk. Yes. Okay. So with usable, like increasing the usable footprint of the room.
Andrew Yeah. And simultaneously decreasing because they both have totes of shit underneath their beds already. So it's, yeah, whatever. So there was just a little bit of chaos around unloading those from the car this morning. The neighbor kids came over. Oh, yeah.
Everett Tried to sell you baggies of goo?
Andrew Yes. Yeah, same. At like nine o'clock in the morning. Same. But they wouldn't, like, so my dogs are going crazy. My kids want to go outside and play. And I'm like. go away. And they're like, yeah, but you haven't even heard what we're selling. I'm like, I could, there is literally nothing that you could try to sell to me right now that would mitigate the frustration. So it was just a little bit of a hectic start to my day, but we're settled in. It is a lovely Sunday. What's on set?
Everett I just poured like two solid ounces of OGD 114 into a rocks glass and now I'm going to put Zero Sugar Canada Dry over the top of it.
Unknown Good call.
Everett Because old granddad 114 fucks as does Zero Sugar Canada Dry.
Andrew It does. They both do. And as a team. Yeah, now we're drinking beverages, your keto again.
Everett Yeah, I mean, I'm limiting carbs today. Today. And by that, I mean, I'm drinking diet ginger ale.
Andrew Yeah. But other than that, I'm good.
Everett Cool, cool. Yeah. Cool, cool. We are here to talk about watches. Excuse me. I have a little... A little tickle. A little stickiness. We are here to talk about watches. Andrew, we did not have a ton of overlap this week. A few. As to be expected. A few overlaps. Always a few. But quite a bit of diversity. I think we could go pretty fast and still struggle to get through all of these. So why don't we start without further ado. We're three minutes in. If you have ever complained about how long our intros are, you should be happy today.
Andrew Quiet up. At least for today. Because today was short. I'm going to start with the new Braymont Supermarine 500 meter in stainless steel. So this is a watch that has existed in ceramic before.
Everett It is a good watch. Yeah, that fucks. In ceramic.
Andrew and is now available in stainless steel. So this is their 500 meter dive watch. Dimensions on it are exactly what you'd expect. It's a 43 millimeter dive watch, 12.98 thick, 904L steel because of the enhanced corrosion resistance, 500 meters of water resistance, a Sellita SW300 format that they then take in-house and make some changes to. 5,200 euros on a steel bracelet. And you know, this watch does some things immediately. It has a lot of familiar design aspects that we're just gonna move past. What I want to talk about is the also familiar but really lovely textured wave, nigh on Christopher Ward dune wave texture on that dial. And this thing is good with a black bezel insert, all steel case. This is good. What confuses me, though, is just kind of Bremont. Bremont.
Everett Are you, you're announcing today that Braymont is confusing?
Andrew It's just, it's just confusing. I think this is a really killer release. I do have trouble in my head putting this up against a Pelagos, putting this up against a Black Bay, and maybe that's wrong. Maybe I've just created this thing in my head that doesn't allow Braymont to exist in the same space as those two watches for which it's a direct competitor. Um, I don't know. I do really like this watch. I would like to handle one in person because I think that it is probably money.
Everett I don't like this at all. What? I don't like this at all. I think that this is one of those watches that is exactly... The opposite of the type of watch I like.
Andrew No, it has feel like it has like 60s, 70s kind of dive watch feel. It has like really simple color palette with a little bit few splashes of orange. It's as boring as a dive watch can get. It's all the things that I like and want.
Everett But I'm... It's like got more water resistance than you need. It's oversized. It's got like space age materials, perhaps not space age, but like... Ideal materials for a 500 meter dive watch. Overly complicated. What's 904? Hell, I mean, I'm fine with that. It's just like it's a watch of excess, I guess. And visibly excess. They're like, look at our excess. It's all right here. Look at it. It's fine. This is a weird watch. I saw this on your list and I was like, oh, I wonder if Andrew likes this or if he's got it on his list because he wants to talk shit. I was actually leaning towards the latter.
Andrew I'm down with it. But what I'm having trouble, and maybe I would be not down with it after handling it in person, but this offering at this price point is a direct competitor with some of the most iconic... watches in the game and i just don't know that that's a good place for it to exist and i don't know the manufacturing cost on here but my my guess is that it's not that they're making a little bit better profit margin than the Pelagos or the Seamaster. I doubt it.
Everett Smaller production. I mean, honestly, I think Bremont probably struggles with profits because of how it's shoehorned itself into making this ultra luxury premium. And I just don't know that it's that. that's right i mean braymont to me feels like a slightly older like okay so back away from the watches a little bit because as soon as i say as soon as i said the thing i was about to say people were going to be like pulling their cards over to write emails okay Take the watches out of the equation. Just look at brands. Braemont, for me, feels, in terms of where it sort of fits into the industry, like a slightly more mature Christopher Ward, right? Maybe, yeah. Slightly upmarket, slightly more mature. But then if you compare how the two have treated the focus of their business, Christopher Ward focuses on... like very enthusiast-friendly, crowd-pleasing, top-level watches. Braymont is focused on something different, and every word or set of words that I can come up with to describe its focus sounds really mean to me, so I'm not going to say them because I don't know. Honestly, I just don't know that much about Braymont. But when I look at... The next watch I want to talk about compared to this watch, I think you can sort of start to see what I'm talking about.
Andrew Yes. Braymont seems to be on the cusp or maybe in the midst of a bit of an identity crisis.
Unknown Oh, oh. Yeah.
Andrew And like coming on, I think we're seeing them emerge. That's right.
Everett We're at the, hopefully, perhaps for Braymont, the tail end of an identity crisis. Although, is it going to emerge better than it started? I don't know. Christopher Ward released the C60 Trident Reef this week. Yes, please. It's confusing. Okay, wait. This is a weird release, you guys. If you haven't seen this watch and you're like, I'm just going to listen to Everett and Andrew talk about this, at some point, you're going to have to stop and look. You're not ready. No. No one was ready. On one hand, it's not like a super ground. This is not groundbreaking. No. Or earth shattering. No grounds were broken or earths were shattered in the making of this watch. No. It is fucking weird, though. And, spoiler alert, I like it. So what this is is a C60 Pro. This is a C60 Pro that they've... Fucked with.
Unknown That they've fucked with.
Everett So first thing is they've given this a SuperOcean dial, which, okay, fine. Fine, Christopher Ward, I'm fine with that. Actually, I like it. I accept. We've got a super ocean dial. I accept. Second thing they've done is they've put an aluminum bezel insert in, which is beautiful. The third thing they've done, and this is where shit gets weird, is they've made a case shroud out of color-matched aluminum that sits on top of the stainless steel mid case at everywhere besides the lugs and the crown guards.
Unknown Mm-hmm.
Everett Okay. So I just said that you've never seen this watch. You're in your car. You're driving. You're like. fuck is he talking about? That's what they did. It's got a case shroud. It's not like a tuna case shroud. It's like a shroud that's shaped like a mid case. It's a kimono is what it is. They've either removed material. Now, I talked to our friend Vuk Radic over from the It's About Time newsletter about this just a little bit this week because I was like... Vuk referred to this as a shroud. I think they referred to this as a sheath. And I said, hey, can you tell? what the position of this shroud is because we have very few actual photographs and quite a few renders and with the renders with the renders the lugs to me appear to cast a shadow on the aluminum which to me suggests that the case the crown guards and the lugs sit on top of the aluminum I don't think that's possible for structural integrity.
Andrew No, I think they just milled this out. They milled this mid case and snapped it over.
Unknown But, Andrew, if you look, the pictures on this thing are confusing, man.
Everett Oh, you've used the same link I have. Go to the Christopher Ward website and look at the pictures on this thing are confusing. Okay, we're going to stop talking about that. We're going to kind of move on. But we'll come back to it when Andrew looks at these pictures. big picture here this is a this is being released in both their 41 and their 44 c60 cases which i think is terrific they come in at about 48 millimeters by 11 and a half thick or about 51 and a half by 11 and a half thick And that is terrific dimensions for this watch. It's a 200 meter water resistance. Both have 22 millimeter lugs. I wish the 41 had 20 millimeter lugs because I think the lugs are a little wide on the 41 and they're just right on the 44. So I think they wanted to keep the bracelets the same on this. it's a really neat watch compare and contrast this to the bremont okay because they're selling these these aren't cheap they're pros they're pros and so i think they're selling them at like 900 and 1200 or something um let's see The blue is money. So $850 on their Aquaflex rubber and $1035, $1035 on their three-link steel bracelet. So those are priced about the same as the Pro, I think. $900 and $1100 for the Pro 300. And these are a 200-meter watch instead of the 300 meters of the Pro.
Andrew I think the shadow you're seeing is beveling.
Everett It could be, Andrew, but you see what I'm seeing, right?
Andrew I see what you're seeing. I think it's beveling of that junction between the case that's been milled out to allow for this plating, almost like a... Here's what I'll say.
Everett This was an opportunity, I think, this was an opportunity for Christopher Ward to do one of those... one of those diagrams where, what do they call it? Explosion. Yeah, where they explode.
Andrew Explode view, yeah.
Everett It would have been cheap and easy to do that. It still might. And it would have been fun to have in the marketing materials because I kind of want to know. Like the curious, I'm not criticizing them here, except perhaps for not telling us more about that. I think it would be cool. And I don't think there's a wrong or a right way. I trust that they've done this in a good way. I just kind of want to know. I'm curious. And they've done this interesting thing Why not show us? They're talking about a four-piece case. Just show us, Christopher Ward.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett I'm curious.
Andrew And they might, in their next magazine that comes out, we might get to see an exploded view.
Everett And maybe they have. I couldn't find an exploded view. So it's possible that they have, and I just didn't see it. I did look a little bit. Anyway, compare and contrast this with the Bremont. One of them is an ostentatious, try-hard, kind of weird watch. And one of them is like, look how fucking fun I am. Yeah.
Unknown Like, I am really fun. You know what? I'm 44 millimeters, and I'm still fucking fun.
Andrew And there's six colorways with a ton of color. That shroud on the case adds just color that you can't otherwise add.
Everett One thing I missed. The white version of this is actually ceramic instead of aluminum. Oh. Which is cool.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett I imagine it'll be the most popular. Because why not?
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Just make it white. So I think we should move on. Anyway, I just want, because neither of these watches are groundbreaking or earth shattering as discussed, but they're both cool. And I'm not suggesting they're trying to do the same thing, but I like one of them and I don't like the other.
Andrew I'll talk about another not earth shattering, but definitely cool release. The Blancpain 50 Fathoms now released in a 38. And I think it's just fantastic. That's such a good size for the 50 Fathoms. And I'm excited. We now have a 38, a 42 and a 45. One for literally everyone. Hang on here. Pricing. So, still Blancpain prices. $18,200 on steel with a deployant bracelet or a deployant strap. $19,500 on a steel bracelet. And here's where you really want to go. $21,100 titanium on a bracelet.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew I don't think you need gold 50 fathoms, but still, I mean, I think rounding out this collection with a 38 is a perfect decision.
Everett Yeah, and I think they got the thickness on these is down to 12 millimeters. I'm pretty sure the 42 millimeters is like almost 15 thick.
Andrew Yeah, it's 12 thick on the 38 too.
Everett Yeah, so the 42 is much thicker. I think it's like 14 and a half or 15 thick. So I think these are really neat. That's obviously a watch for someone that probably knows exactly what they want. This is such a beautiful case. It obviously has a stake to the sort of dive watch legacy. And these are rad. They're expensive, but they're really cool. And now at 38 and at 12 millimeters. Now we don't have an excuse not to get one. I mean, except for the six months of mortgage payments that it would require. Whatever. I mean, and if you bought your house 20 years ago, that's like a year and a half of 18 months of mortgage payments. You're not paying a mortgage anymore if you bought your house 20 years ago, hopefully. Um, okay. These are, these are cool. There's not a whole lot more to say. No, it's just a 38 millimeter 50 fathoms.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Uh, but I, I, I'm with you.
Andrew I'm with you, Andrew, that that's a, that's, I, I, I'm liking seeing like development in that line. Kind of, you know, with the emergence of the bioceramic 50 Fathoms, we're seeing some revitalization. This watch never went away, but it never really went away, right? And seeing some ass put behind it is nice.
Everett Yeah, I think maybe you're just more aware of it now than you have been recently.
Andrew Maybe.
Everett Yeah. Can I do two in a row? Do you mind? Go for it. Okay. So Space One Watches, a few, gosh, couple years ago, Space One Watches released a watch called the Jumping Hour. And we talked about it. And it was really cool. It was like a sub $2,000 sort of... It looked like a spaceship in flight. And it had a jumping hour. And I was like, this thing's really cool.
Andrew Didn't they do Disky 2?
Everett That's different. That's different. So they did the Tellurium, which we had on a list to discuss at one point, but didn't. Oh, yeah. And then they did the... What are you doing?
Andrew Is that me? Oh, is that me? I think it's you. I think you're playing their theme music from their website. I heard it initially and I was like, oh, I'll just turn my volume down because who knows what's happening.
Everett But then it persisted.
Andrew That was me.
Everett So they released a new watch and I think it's really neat. So this is... First... This is a, what's a good name for this? This is a novel display, a novel time display watch, okay?
Andrew Yeah, this is what 2025 looked like if you were in 1980.
Everett Perhaps. And they've added a world timer function. So really, this doesn't look much at all like their jumping hour, but it is still a jumping hour. It is still a jumping hour watch. Space One is made, I guess the movements are made by Theo Offray, which is in France. They're designed by a watch designer named Olivier Gamiete. I think the brand is owned. I think the company is actually owned by the same entrepreneur that does Nevada Gretchen, which is not to say they're a sibling company, but maybe in some ways you could say it's a sibling company. Limited batch of 300 pieces on these. They're made in relatively small order, or maybe it's just 300 pieces on the titanium, because these also come, all three of these are in titanium. There are a black titanium, a blue titanium, and a natural titanium. What they've done is they've taken the hours, the minutes, and the dual time zone. It's actually a 24-hour time slash world timer disk. And they've separated out these disks so you get your hours at six.
Andrew Sort of.
Everett You're hours at the bottom. You're jumping hours at the bottom. Sure. I'm going to say 6 o'clock because that works. You get your minutes at 3, and it's just a normal wandering minutes at 3. And then you get your world time over at 9 o'clock. It's a short lug-to-lug, but a relatively wide dimension. I think your lug-to-lug on this is like 45 or 43. And your width is more like 53. So it's not a traditional. There you go. 52.7 and a 41.9 lug-to-lug, 42 millimeter lug-to-lug. All grade five titanium. It's actually got a Soprod Newton P024 movement with an in-house world timer slash jumping hour mechanism on this thing. It's freaking cool, man.
Andrew It is. It is cool. And when you texted me, you were surprised that this wasn't on my list. It's just, it's maybe too cool for me. Well, why do you think it's too cool? It's just, it's not something that I could ever imagine wearing. Yeah. Right? There's just no...
Everett You need an instruction manual to read it. No, it's really easy to read. I mean, it doesn't read like any other watch, but there's no complication here with the reading.
Andrew It's... Nah. It's super cool. I would love to see one. I would love to see someone wearing it. This is a big miss. Like, not even a miss. Everything's great. I just don't... I don't like it.
Everett Okay, so these are, what, $3,000? Yeah, before taxes. So, okay, I want to talk about the second watch. So I have some thoughts on this. You should look at this because we haven't done it justice with our words. Look at this. I want to talk about my second watch. And this is a watch we talked about on the show. before in its prior iteration. But Amita, a few years back, so Amita is a brand from yesteryear, pre-Quartz crisis, that in the midst of sort of the LED watch craze, you know, the Pulsar watch craze, that sort of, that scene, Amita introduced a... mechanical, digital watch to compete with the Pulsar, right? Sort of a driving side view watch. And it was really cool. But they were shitty. They had like a shitty single jewel movement. And of course, quartz crisis. It's just like, this isn't going to work. And so Amita went under. A few years back, Amita was... reintroduced by some enthusiasts with their Digitrend watch. This is, again, a mechanical side view movement, okay? Which you can see, so this is weird. So this is operated by two discs. a jumping hour disc, and a minute disc that sit on top of this very, very cool movement that has an in-house module with Amita's in-house jumping hour module, again. So, Prod Newton movement. And... Instead of moving the mechanism to be sideways or moving the digital function to be sideways, they use a prism to bend the light so that you can see it from the side. And it winds up being apparently, ostensibly, incredibly legible. This prism works better than some people expect it to. It's like a periscope. A little like a periscope. This watch is really cool. When they introduced the Digitrend, it had a, so I think this watch is called a casket style watch. Casket meaning cap in French. And so most casket watches are known for their metal shroud on top, which hid the mechanism. Here, Amita has gotten rid of about, three-fourths of that stainless steel on top of the case and replaced it with this giant sapphire so you can see what's going on inside. You cannot tell the time from the top.
Unknown No.
Everett Because the numerals are backwards, because they're about to be bent through prisms to tell the time on the side view. And there's no indication. It literally does not display the numerals you need to see to see the current time. It's like a see-through case package.
Andrew Sort of, but it's a see-through case top. Yes. It's a see-through casket. Yeah. This is my speed. This is cool, right? I would wear the shit out of this. This huge chunk of sapphire giving you a view into the, I mean, it's not a skeleton dial. It's like the space view, right? It's like the space view design. It's like, hey, see what we're doing. See this cool shit that it takes to be able to do what we're doing. yes because the see-through case back is a wholly different thing right that's a decoration this is like see the cool technology while you wear it oh okay yes but still i mean it's it's superfluous yeah a hundred percent superfluous right Yeah, but I like the way it looks. The orange on it is fantastic. This is good. It is double the price of last year's edition, though.
Everett It is. And that's got to be... Well, is it double? So this one comes in at $4,500?
Andrew Yeah, last year was... So it's a third more.
Everett Yeah, yeah. One and a half times as much. And that's got to be the Sapphire. I mean, this chunk of Sapphire is incredible.
Andrew Yeah, it's huge.
Everett It's huge.
Andrew And has to be... It's not a normal sapphire crystal. It's not off the shelf. Yeah, it's not. This was entirely designed for this watch.
Everett So the reason I wanted to talk about these together is... The reason I want to talk about these together is because when you take these watches or the Adewak watches, Adewak watches, I always say that word both ways because I'm not sure which way to say it, is you get these watches that are really cool and really interesting. And I don't want to for a second take away from that. But... I think the Ottovox was the first of these that I saw. And I was like, whoa, this is like an artwork, but I could afford it. And so I think it's really important to say that this isn't like an artwork. And this is not like an MBF horological machine in so many ways. These are really cool. But these are taking existing movements, by and large, and changing those existing movements, either with modules or mechanisms or prisms, to give you a novel timekeeping display. In a novel case. And that's beautiful and it's really neat. It is not the same as what Urwerk or MBNF is doing when they create their off... I mean, those watches are pieces of art, right? The mechanisms and the movements are painstakingly crafted in a way that really no one has ever seen before. Anyway, I just want to say, there's nothing wrong with these watches. In fact... rather than nothing wrong with them, they're really cool and I find all of them attractive and I'd like to have them. But I think it's important if you've never really like compared the two things, the two things being like the Urwerk, MB&F, horological machine, sort of world versus this, it's important to know we're not, I don't want to say we're cheaply replicating that, but they're just two different, they're entirely different things.
Unknown Yes.
Everett Because I kind of heard someone talking about this recently and like, oh, wow, you don't need to do that because you could just do this. Okay, they're not the same. It's not the same. Anyway, that's all I want to say. I want to talk about these watches together. I think they're both really cool. I think they're both valuable. It's hard to compare that. You know, there's nothing to compare these two. So it's hard to say, oh, this is, you know, you say the new Digitrend is one and a half times as much. That's... look at the crystal like it seems like the value i can understand the value there um with that said um you gotta like it right it's like you said i would never wear this but if you like this fucking get one they're cool the autovox in particular we didn't talk about that today but the autovox in particular i'm like if you think this is cool just go get one i'd wear the amita without any hesitation i'd wear any really in any context even yeah These are really, really cool. And if you want your watch to be a conversation starter, you'd be hard-pressed to do better than one of these.
Andrew I'd rather wear this than anything with Snoopy on it. Andrew, what's next? I want to talk about a new addition in the Q Timex line. the Timex Enigma 1975 mystery dial. And we've seen a couple mystery dials this year. And you're making some faces. But you know what? It wasn't perfectly executed because it's Timex. Because it's Timex. But $200 for a cue with a mystery dial, which is a black-on-black dial and handset with white tips on your minutes, hours, and seconds to provide the mystery enigma dial to give the perceived effect of floating hands. That wasn't even perfectly executed, but you know what? It's $200, it's from Timex, and I like seeing the cue line expand.
Everett Yeah, no, Andrew, I gave you a little bit of stink face, but no, I think these are cool. I liked the last release, too. I think these are well done, and they're fun. And that's what this is. At $200, this is meant to be fun.
Andrew I really like the double dome. It's huge. Look at the profile of this. Yeah, yeah. Yes.
Everett Yes.
Andrew The domed sapphire is as thick as the case.
Everett I... I know this is QTimex, and so it's like, it's got any quarts, but I really wish this was mechanical. Then you're getting into a whole new realm. I mean, it's an extra $150, probably.
Andrew Yeah, but at that point, if I'm paying an extra $150, I want a better Enigma execution.
Everett Yeah, fair enough. For $200, my feelings aren't hurt. That's a good argument. That's the best argument. Do you like this one more than the last one they did? Which one was that? The blue one. Yes. I think I like the blue one better. Hold on. I'm going to pull it up right now while we're talking. I mean, whatever. We have both of them.
Andrew The green one, too.
Everett The green one's okay, and we missed the green one when it came out.
Andrew I like the black one, because what I take issue with the blue one is a minute track. I don't want any of that shit on there. Well, the black one's got a minute track, too. Not the same way.
Everett What am I missing? I think the thing the black one does better than the blue one is getting rid of the hands.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett So it does the mystery dial better just because of the way black works.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett Because there's so much less light coming off of the dial in the hands versus the blue. So I think for me, that's what makes this a better execution.
Andrew And there's a hundred ways they could have executed this better. Of course. A hundred bucks. As with anything. You know, kill the date, kill the day date and do discs. That'd be dope. And then it's like, okay, I'll pay an extra 150 bucks for a mechanical version of this.
Everett Okay, so we're at 36 minutes. We've got some time. How many watches do you have that you want to talk about? I'm looking at your list. I see at least one on your list. I see two on your list. I've got one, two, three on mine. One, two, three, four on my list that we have to talk about. We should do this. Really, five on my list that we have to talk about.
Andrew Oh, geez, Louise.
Everett I'm sorry. We should do this offline. We should plan better, but we don't. We don't. So just eat it. Okay.
Andrew You know what? We're just going to keep going.
Everett Let's just keep going. Let's get through it. Okay. So we can be quick here. Bulgari released the Octo Finissimo in a brushed yellow gold. So they used to... Or a blasted yellow gold. They used to do a blasted rose gold, which is beautiful, but... It's pretty orange. It's like copper. A copper presentation. They've released this watch in yellow gold. And I think it works way, way, way better. Let's get this. So one thing to get out of the way. This is like a $50,000 watch. This is not a normal person watch. This is like a watch for wealthy people. Not for me. But... Two things. One, the yellow gold, for me, works way better than the rose gold. Way better. I mean, it's just night and day.
Andrew And also, the titanium is the best, though.
Everett It's not.
Unknown Yes, it is.
Everett No, wait. Hear me out. So, Bulgari did an interesting thing here. So, historically, the Octo Finissimo is 5.15 millimeters thick. And 30 meters of water resistance. A few years ago, they converted the stainless steel model to a screw down crown with 100 meters of water resistance. And they added a little over a millimeter. So if you buy a steel Octo Finissimo right now, it's 6.4 millimeters. It's got a screw down crown and it's got 100 meters of water resistance. And so you might say, wow, that's pretty fat. 6.4 millimeters.
Andrew Oh, gosh. It's like... Get rid of it.
Everett It's still like almost two full millimeters thinner than a 6811. It's still two millimeters thinner than the Royal Oak. It is... I mean, this watch is crazy thin even at 6'4". And a screw-down crown at 100 meters of water resistance is so much better than 30. And a push-pull at 30. The titanium is the most attractive.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett It is not the best. So I saw this. I saw this, Andrew. And I was like, oh, interesting. They've done gold with 100 meters and the 6.4 case. That's cool. That's why we're talking about it today. Not because you at home care about this watch. You're listening to this show. There's probably like 2% of the people that listen to this show that care at all about this watch, this yellow gold. But I think what it means is that we're going to see... bulgari transition from these ultra thin five millimeter cases i think they're going to transition that line to the still ultra thin six and a half millimeter hundred meter cases or they they might be splitting the line and do like these ultra thin dress watches and then well they've already got they've already got the dress watches and introduce additional skews of like
Andrew sport watches, like sport ready watches.
Everett I think, I mean, I think they've already diversified this line quite a bit. Cause you've got the Octo Romas, they've got a whole bunch of diversity in the line. I think what it means is the main line, the like the vanilla Octo Finissimo's are all probably, my guess is all going to be six, four at a hundred meters moving forward, which I think is a great move. I personally think that's a great move. We haven't seen the titanium yet because they haven't changed the titanium in a few years. Anyway, that's... And the steel versions of these, Andrew, are like $13,000. Yeah, I'm looking at right now $13,500.
Andrew That's not... I mean, that's a lot, but... It's an expensive watch, but it's an Alpine Eagle, or it's... An Explorer, or... I mean, it's the north of an Explorer. Yeah, yeah, way more.
Everett But you're in the sub-line there. I mean, the competition here is... The competition is Alpine Eagle, 5811, Royal Oak. The competition for this watch is all more expensive. I really like the... Look at this gray... It's like silver gray that plays.
Unknown Yeah, yeah.
Everett These things are fucking dope, man. Like, we're sleeping. We're sleeping on these. Rick from So Labs was the first guy I ever saw wearing one of these. And I was like, oh, shit. You got the Bulgari on. And he's like, yeah, this is the greatest watch that you can buy. And, like, I remember thinking, like, because that guy's, like, I just really appreciate his design sense. I really appreciate, like, the way he looks at watches. And so I was like, it was on my radar then, but... The more and more I sort of mature in my watch taste, the more and more I'm like, you know, this watch doesn't get enough love. The steel or the titanium versions of this watch are ballers in the... I hesitate to say affordable, but like that entry-level hot luxury world.
Andrew Yeah, like entry-level real luxury. Yeah.
Everett I mean, because if you compare this to the Alpine Eagle, I think I still take an Alpine Eagle over this. But it's close, man. Right? Yeah. And I don't know how much, I don't know if you can buy a 5811. I know 5711s were like, you know, retail is 30 and actual, if you want to get one, it's 90, something like that. Like, you can just buy these.
Unknown And it's dope.
Andrew Yeah, you could probably go into a Bulgari boutique today and leave with one. You could order it online and have it shipped to your house probably in two days.
Unknown And it's dope.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Andrew, I feel like the way your face is right now, you're just like, I've changed your mind about things.
Andrew No, I've not changed my mind. It's just when I come across a watch that I'm like, I've always been kind of... That's the word. liked. And then do some thinking on it.
Everett And then all of a sudden you're like, oh.
Andrew Yeah. When those light switches turn on, that's a pretty badass watch. I'm there too. I'm there. It did put me back towards a BRO5, which is half the price. And the BRO5 feels a similar need, but it's twice as thick.
Everett The BRO5 is definitely... Because Alpine Eagle isn't six millimeters.
Andrew Alpine Eagle is ten and a half.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no, Alpine Eagle is a chunk relative. I think it's under ten. But it's a chunk relative to the 5811, the AP, and certainly the Octo Finissimo, right?
Unknown Mm-hmm.
Everett Yeah, and then the BRO5 is like a watch that should be playing with Rolex that wants you to believe that it's playing with AP Paddock and Bulgari.
Andrew It's just not. But the BRO5 is still one of the most comfortable watches I've ever put on.
Unknown That's right. It's doing the thing. It's like...
Everett Hey, look, I look like those very expensive watches and I'm less expensive.
Andrew For a reason. I'm less expensive. The only watch I've worn that was more comfortable, like just immediately, is the Santos.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew That case shape is just, you know, anatomically, it just fits my wrist perfectly.
Everett And, you know, I think actually, I think the Octo Finissimo wears really similarly to the Santos. I would expect so, yeah. It's different because of the lugs. It's kind of got that big lug thing. What's the lug-to-lug on them? Oh, it's not much. I want to say 52. That might be high. It might be 50.
Andrew I don't see a lug-to-lug on this.
Everett Nobody talks about the lug-to-lug on this because nobody cares.
Andrew I do.
Everett Sure you do, but nobody actually does.
Andrew Anyway, we should move on. Another second collaboration, this one with Yema and the Yachtengraph. And this is a fun collaboration for me for a lot of reasons. First, when I see collaborations with brands, often there's either nothing to it. It's like, oh, here's a new colorway. Or it's wild. This is not that. At just a glance, there is nothing extra happening here. You've got some color on your subdials, a little bit of color on your pushers, and then you dig into it. The pushers have been engraved and blasted to make the pushers look like the head of spray paint cans. The graffiti art in the subdials is kind of like... dripping like you would expect spray paint to there is a graffiti f for your second f in the yacht graph graffiti font that's really small so it's very subtle this is a fantastic collaboration of like street art meeting a refined watch and they're both adding to each other There's no compromise of the attractiveness of this watch to make it a collaboration, like a fun, weird collaboration. And there's no sacrifice of the street art feel fully into this watch. This is a fantastic, like, design collaboration. And it's Yacht Graph, right? So it's a good watch.
Everett Yeah. So... Watch the inscription on the back, La Croissier, my muse, the cruise, my muse, which is a variation of... The French title of the American TV series, The Love Boat, which is La Croisière Samuse. Anyway, that's like a deep... cut that I'm like, okay, it's cool.
Andrew VK 63 movement. It's really neat. This is a neat watch. Yes. It's a neat watch. I love Mecca courts, 500 bucks.
Everett Like this is just, this is, did you talk about the spray cans that the, that the pushes are spray cans? Okay.
Andrew Yeah. Just like a fun, really, really well executed design integration collaboration.
Everett Yeah, it's cool. It's cool, and I like it. I'm with you, Andrew.
Andrew There's not much else to talk about here.
Everett I want to talk about the IWC Ingenieur. Ingenieur. Ingenieur. IWC released an engineer this week that came from the F1 movie. Specifically, I believe Brad Pitt's character, Sonny Hayes, wears a fictional engineer SL reference. That is based on an old SL reference 1832. Excuse me. He wears a fictional Ingenieur reference, which is based on a historical Ingenieur SL reference. Anyway, the watch doesn't exist. He wears a watch that doesn't exist. And then they made it so. And then IWC was like, yeah, actually, that's kind of dope. So they've released a 40 millimeter Ingenieur automatic. The reference is IW328908, but the details are this is a stainless steel 40mm Ingenieur with a green grid dial and rose gold markers and hands. And it's like fucking dope. Mm-hmm. Right? Yeah. So if you don't know, so much like the Octo Finissimo, the Ingenieur is a watch. that competes, I would say, directly with more expensive watches, specifically the Royal Oak and the Nautilus. It is a 10 millimeter by 40 millimeter integrated steel sport watch that has screws on the bezel. And there's a lot of... There's a lot of that sort of Genta-esque feel in this watch. With that said, it's an old watch. It's IWC. It's really cool. And it probably doesn't get as much love as it deserves. I want to say, so the article that I linked you to, Andrew.
Andrew Doesn't have a price, but I want to say... 7,700 euros.
Everett No, no. This one's not. Oh, that's for the chronograph. Yeah. I think this one's 13.6. I pulled it up on the IWC website earlier, and I think it's 13.6.
Andrew You know, I think why it doesn't get the love that it maybe deserves is because it's in such a saturated segment of the market.
Everett Totally.
Andrew With just pure icons, right? It's competing against the iconic watch in that category.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew And it's just not the icon. Yeah. It will forever and always be the underdog or perhaps like the deep cut of like, I'm buying this because I don't want to buy that.
Everett And you know, it's 10 millimeters, right? So it's not like, I mean, it's not the same thing as a 5811. It just isn't. No. It's not the same thing. And so, but it's also like a direct competitor to the Alpine Eagle. Like I look at these in exactly the same way. I think the Octo Finissimo is kind of its own thing. But who's buying Alpine Eagles?
Unknown Well, not me, but I want to buy one. I want to buy one. I mean, people buy Alpine Eagles. Yeah.
Everett This is a really neat watch. That's the bottom line. This is a special version limited to a thousand pieces of a really neat watch. And that's all.
Andrew Do they have Arabic numeral Alpine Eagles? Are they all Roman?
Everett Also, it bears mentioning that IWC is the fictional sponsor of the APXPG team. That is the fictional APXPG team in the movie F1. However, IWC is the real live sponsor of the Mercedes-Benz AMG Petronas team.
Andrew And they just won.
Everett Who just won? IWC has leaned into this APXGP team sponsor thing and they've released like four watches.
Andrew APXGP watches. Super IWC move. IWC and Hamilton are the brands that are going to lean into a weird movie sponsorship. Like, we got six SKUs for you.
Everett Ready, go. And they're all pretty cool. The reason I like this Ingenieur is because it's not marked for the movie or anything. There's nothing here that indicates that it's not just an engineer release. So it's just a really neat engineer release from the movie, and I think it's dope. Anyway, Andrew, next.
Andrew Mayan. Mayan? Mayan?
Everett Mayan?
Andrew We have a smaller version of the Manhattan Ultra Thin. So we had the Manhattan come out and then they made some tweaks to the movement, made it in a mechanical movement, released the Ultra Thin. We now have a 37 millimeter addition to join the 40 millimeter that already existed. Speaking of motherfuckers competing with the 5811. Yeah, right? And this nails it. So the 37 millimeter ultra thin, 7.1 millimeters thick, which is... I mean, we're talking like things are just getting crazy in the thinness game at the affordable price category, right? We're seeing... Haute Horology used to be where the thinness arms race was being fought. And we're seeing it trickle down into the affordable area where brands are constantly working to get that vertical down. A little over a thousand bucks for this. And we know the main Manhattan line textured integrated sports rectangular integrated sports watch bears a passing resemblance to many other things that we've just talked about. Six o'clock small seconds, really good like gravelly texture on the dials, some good colorways. The gold's not so good. The rest are... 37 millimeters. A little over 7 thick. I dig it.
Everett I don't like the dial texture.
Andrew I do. Oh, and the gray. I really like it on the gray. Look at this.
Everett Yeah, don't like it. I really like the Geneva stripe texture that they've used on the 39 millimeter ultra thin. I say Geneva stripe. I don't know if that's what it was, but it sort of had a Geneva striping vibe to it. I do not like this sandy... I just don't like it. I don't like it. It seems so cheap to me. I think it's yucky. I do like it. I think this watch is really, really elegant, and I think that dial texture is poop splatter, and I don't love it. But otherwise, I'm totally down with everything about this watch. If they use the same texture from the ultra-thin, the 39-millimeter ultra-thin, I'd be bad about it. I think this watch is fucking superb, and that dial texture just irks me to no end, Andrew. I'm sorry. What was the name of that company? Is it Stella? We met the owners at a wind-up. The owners are a guy and a gal. Gal's like kind of a spunky, like she's probably 10 years older than me, short blonde bob hair. I want to say Stella is the name of the company. Anyway, I loved all their watches. We sat with them for like 20 minutes, and I was like, love this, love this, love this, but they all had these fucking terrible dial textures.
Andrew These guys. Oh, I remember them. Now that I see them. Yeah, and now I'm looking at their watches. Yes, yes, yes, yes.
Everett This is how I feel about this. I'm just like, why would you have this great watch? That's obviously subjective, right? There's nothing objectively wrong. It just seems crude to me.
Andrew I think maybe maybe for this size of a watch that's very intentionally dress watch size, right? 37 millimeters, a little over seven thick, small seconds. It has all the feel of a dress sport watch. And then with the added gravel texture, you do absolutely detract from it.
Everett Hey, you guys, I can just tell you we're going to be 90 minutes today. I can tell you. So we're at an hour. If you want a break, go ahead and break. We're going to go 90, I think, today. That's my guess. That's my postulate. Andrew, what do you got? I just went. Was that you? That was me. Oh, that was you. Well, then can we talk about the... Can we talk about the Cinemas... Citizen Promaster Tough. We should. The Cinemaster Tough. That's fun. Cinemaster.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett The Citizen Promaster Tough. So, Huckberry, I want to, there was a time in my life where I was like, Huckberry's cool. And then I got to a place where I was like, Huckberry sucks. Yep. I think I'm kind of still in the Huckberry sucks world. Pendulum's swinging back away, though. Maybe. Hard to say. It might have just rolled over the edge. It sucks. I'm not sure. Anyway, so first, let's just talk about the Citizen Promaster Tough. So in the late 90s, Citizen released a watch that they called the Promaster Tough, and it was rad. It was so rad that this very famous dude from England named Ray Mears, who's sort of like a Bear Grylls type, grabbed this watch and started wearing it. And people were like, oh, that's the Ray Mears Citizen ProMaster Tough. It wasn't a collaboration. Ray Mears wasn't like, this is the watch that I made with Citizen. He didn't design it with them. He just wore it. He just wore this thing. And so the Citizen ProMaster Tough, the original, became the Ray Mears Citizen ProMaster Tough. We're like almost 30 years, almost 30 years from that now. And Citizen made this watch stupid and then stupider. And then finally, in 2023, they went back and really, I think, fixed this watch. It is a watch that is interesting for a couple reasons. It's a monocoque case. which is to say you can't access the movement from the back of the case, but rather just from the top or a quote unquote one piece case. It is historically made from titanium, although Citizen being stupid with it, started making it stainless steel for a while. And even then, still today, I think still does. But in 2023, Citizen came out and they said, you know what? We're sorry. We need to re-release the Raymier Citizen ProMaster Tough, and they did. And it's terrific. It's a really good watch. I think they didn't go far enough with this thing because I think Citizen was scared. I think their efforts to modernize the Promaster Tough had been met with a little bit of exception. Because their efforts to modernize it up to this point were poor. I think that there's some things that Citizen could do with this watch. One, I think that Citizen could make this watch today. about a millimeter and a half thinner without sacrificing any of the durability of this watch yeah i think that today citizen could make the end link on this watch female and instantly instantly improve this watch by a billion by a factor of a billion yes uh i think that i think that citizen could perhaps perhaps without changing any of the aesthetics modernize the space between the crystal and the dial. Now, I'm going to say that soft because I don't know if that's true or not. But I think that's the one thing I see about this that I'm like, eh, let's pull that up a little bit. But maybe not. And so I'll just be gentle on that. Citizen released a Huckberry collaboration of this watch. And it's... Like OD, desert earth, vaguely military, green brown, and I love it.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett And I love it.
Andrew I want to like it more. Oh, I love it. I don't know what is... Maybe it's the female end links. Maybe it's... The male end links. Yeah, it's like the lack of female end links. Maybe it's the kind of like weird dog bowl effect. of that dial space to the to the bottom of the crystal yep um it it reads like super 1996 to me yeah that said i it is a very attractive watch but it it looks like the watch that i would have grabbed off of a macy's counter and paid 20 bucks for And I know it's not that, right? Because I know it's titanium. Super titanium. I know it's EcoDrive. It's $520 right now. There's something, $525 on the Huckberry website. There's something here that would keep me from buying it. And I can't exactly place it.
Everett It's because it's those things that I mentioned. It's the female end links. The clasp sucks on this too, by the way. They didn't make the clasp any better. I think Seiko or Citizen could have gotten away with selling this watch for $700 if they had fixed all the little things. If they want to set the MSRP on this at $700, redesign the unlink. Make this watch competitive with best-in-class watches. Give it a good clasp. Because it's such a great watch. And I'm really glad that they brought it back. Kudos to you, Citizen, for bringing this watch back the right way. But... Sort of. Sort of. Right?
Andrew But it's a Citizen move, right? To get it 90% of the way and then punt.
Everett I like this. I like this. But I would have liked this in... 2018 or 15 maybe yeah maybe or whatever today this feels like it feels like they're taking the piss a little bit yeah what's next you know i think i can be done okay well i can't okay I'm close, though. Okay. I'm close, though. So two watches. The Rado Anatom, which we talked about last year and is terrific. First, I saw a Rado Integral at a beer fest last weekend, Andrew. Oh. And the dude that was wearing it, he was just a bro. He was just like a guy wearing jeans. And I was like, I really like your watch. And he looked down at it like, what the fuck are you talking about? And he was like, oh, yeah, I got this watch like 10 years ago, and it was my nice watch, and no one's ever commented on it before. And I was like, yeah, I'm very, very into watches, and I've never seen one of those in the world before. No, you don't see Rado in the wild. No. And he was like, you know, it was an integral. It was one of the ones with, like, the black ceramic and the two-tone with the black, like, dark ceramic. And... And it just looked great, Andrew. That was what I wanted to say. That's what I wanted to say.
Andrew I mean, the Integral's a cool watch.
Everett It was cool.
Andrew It's like a little ugly, but like still kind of cool. Yes. It is like, I'd expect somebody who also has a life-size Stormtrooper in their home to wear that watch. And he may well have had a life-size Stormtrooper in his house. But that's who I connect that watch to.
Everett He said, the one thing he said that I'll repeat here is he said, you know, the watch I had before this was expensive. I can't remember what he said. It was like tag. I think he said tag. But I wear it every day, and I'm in the brewing industry, and so it just got so banged up and beat up, and I couldn't ever keep it nice. This one, I've worn this every day for the last 10 years, and it looks... Literally brand new, and it did.
Andrew Because of the ceramic.
Everett Literally brand new.
Andrew It looked... Heard it here first. Brewery tested.
Everett Ceramic don't shatter. Anyway, Rado has released the anatom. We talked about these guys last year. I believe it was last year. They have released a set of summer anatoms in green, yellow, and red. And if you want... If you want a watch that looks like an Apple Watch, if you want something really cool that's passable as an Apple Watch... I think this is the one.
Andrew Yeah, you're not wrong. I don't know why you're trying to pass for an Apple Watch, though. I don't know either. But yeah, no, that's 100% there. The darkness of the case and that reverse ombre... Not reverse ombre. That actual ombre dial... Kind of gives you that smartwatch black mirror appearance on your dial.
Everett So if I'm right, the anatoms have a PVD steel mid case, but then there's ceramic on top, which will allow for the aforementioned wear resistance. The dimensions on these are bizarre. 32.5 millimeters wide by 46 inches. Millimeters tall. So they wear... like a fitness watch, right? You're getting more height than you are width. So that 32-millimeter thickness dimension doesn't really tell the story here. It probably wears more like a 38 or a 40-millimeter watch. And they're just really cool. These are neat, and I like them, and I wanted to talk about them quickly. Andrew, anything you want to say? No. Final watch. Final watch I want to talk about. We can be quick on this one too. But Omega released Aqua Terra in 30 millimeters. And it's got a new movement. And it's, I think they released these in like 14 different versions. That's it? And it's kind of awesome. It is.
Andrew I think there's 13. What did I say? You said 14. That wasn't an exaggeration. Oh, wait, no. Four. 12 new references.
Everett It's 12. Yeah. Yeah. So 12 new references, including stainless, Sedna Gold, Moonshine Gold, and a couple of two-tone options. We've got diamond set. We've got regular. Basically, they were like, all the Aqua Terra in 30 millimeters available now. Go.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew And 6,600 bucks to 40,000. So same Aqua Terra pricing model.
Everett Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think basically they were just like, hey, look. Rolex can do their OPs in smaller watches and make you feel bad about it. We're just going to do all of the Aqua Terra for people who want a 30 millimeter watch. All of it. Here you go. And you can get diamond set, you can get gem stud, you can get gold, you can get steel. We're not going to patronize you.
Andrew This purple.
Everett It's dope. It's fucking dope. It's so good. I mean, it is the plum. Yeah. OP purple.
Andrew But I'm with you. But it's still in that 30 is so good.
Everett I'm with you. It's really good. These are great. Six o'clock dates on these. Really subtle six o'clock dates. Baguette markers. I think these are great.
Unknown I think they're great. And that's all I wanted to say. Andrew, other things. What do you got? I have another thing.
Andrew I picked up a book this last week. Started reading it. Been muted in my own show. It's by a fella named Fred Minnick. Fred Minnick is published about, I don't know, 13-ish books. He's a food and drink writer. Did I send you the link? No, I'm sending it to you now.
Everett Is this the Fred Minnick of the Ascot Awards? Fred Minnick? Could be. Who does the bourbon? Yes. Okay.
Andrew So this is... The book I got is called Bourbon, The Rise, Fall, and Rebirth of American Whiskey. I picked it up on Amazon, 20-ish bucks. Started reading it, and I wasn't really sure what to expect, right? When you get... I just wasn't sure what to expect. And I started reading it and immediately was like, oh, this was meticulously researched. Like this was a multi-year long project of telling the story of. Bourbon in America. And I obviously haven't read the whole thing, but it is, you know, it's written by a food and beverage writer, somebody who knows the industry. And little graphic insets of like, here's an interesting little tidbit that is worth mentioning, but I don't really know how to tie it into the story. And one of them was like, you know, the first mention of bourbon was in 1821 in this newspaper clipping. I read thousands of documents and never saw it mentioned before that. Just a heads up. Like almost like backing up and bolstering his research throughout the book. And it's a fascinating story so far. And, you know, it starts with American colonialism and the westward expansion into Kentucky and how corn wasn't like the preferred grain to be distilling because rye tasted better. And then everyone... Thus far, it is a fun read. I like historical nonfiction books more than novels or fiction because it's interesting to me in a way that fiction is not. Good book so far. Recommend.
Everett It's really exciting. It's a fun book. You know, Fred Minnick is... You described him as a food and beverage guy. And I'm not suggesting that's wrong, Andrew, but I think of Fred Minnick as the steward of American whiskey culture in the United States. And when I say the steward, I mean the steward of American whiskey culture in the United States. He is... Fred Minnick is, I'll just say this, I think he's a personality meant for authorship versus modern video media.
Andrew Maybe, yeah.
Everett Because he comes across kind of cunty, if I'm allowed to say that. With that said, he's one of those people that you're like... I don't like seeing him. However, I can't criticize his content at all because it's all perfect. And like you said, Andrew, he's done all this research. He knows more about whiskey, American whiskey. than literally any human on earth. I mean, I just, I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that.
Andrew He opens the book with something like a kind of story that he even says, like he, he regrets how he handled it, but he was on an assignment and met a descendant of Elijah Craig and she owns this restaurant and runs it. And she's like, Oh yeah, I'm related to the founder of whiskey. And he's like, nah, dog, you're not. And then dives into the story. But even that, it's kind of sheepishly like, I did not handle that well. And I wasn't wrong. But... Not well executed.
Everett It wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that Fred Minnick is Asperger's or something similar, right? Because he's, have you ever seen any videos with him or anything? Okay. Well, so first he's got this like kind of, so his whiskey awards are called the Ascot Awards because of his affectation of wearing an Ascot, right? Like normal people don't wear Ascots. I'm sorry. I'm just going to say it. If you find yourself considering wearing an ascot, fucking knock it off. Just fucking knock it off. Okay. With that said. Or lean into it.
Unknown With that said, he's like, also then you're like, yeah, everything you said is right. And I'm so impressed.
Everett by everything that's coming out of your mouth or from your fingertips. So, um, Fred medic, I, I want to read this after you're done with it.
Andrew I, it won't, it's, it's a very quickly quick reading book.
Everett I meant to, I meant to look this up before I came here today. And I like on three occasions, I was like, Oh yeah, I got to do that. And then didn't do it. Did I talk about the series? Martha Wells, murder bot as another thing.
Andrew Ooh, I think so, but we also might have just talked about it anyway.
Everett Yeah, so, okay, so Murderbot, Murderbot, Murderbot, Murderbot. Murderbot is, I think, the greatest, most accessible, most enjoyable sci-fi series that's been written in the last, say... 50 years? 50 years? If you don't know what Murderbot is... Just watch the show. No. Stop. If you don't know what Murderbot is, go find out what Murderbot is. If you like sci-fi at all, go read Murderbot. Just read it. Because... It's incredible. It's like six or seven books and some of those are pretty short. If you do not like sci-fi and you cannot stomach the idea of reading a book called Murderbot and then you read the synopsis and you're like, everything about this sounds awful. I'm going to make a recommendation to you that you pick the very first Murderbot novella and you read it because I think, I think you will be shocked. So I read these. I told my wife, wife, I really think you should read these. She was like, I'm not interested. I'm not interested. Well, recently Apple TV came out with a series. Murderbot. It's got Skarsgård in it. That got her interested. Alexander Skarsgård. The real handsome one. I'm just going to say, I'm going to say for the record, I've read all these books and I always pictured Murderbot as a female. Always. So when Skarsgård got cast, I was like, God damn it. Anyway, because he's not a female. Decisively. These shows came out on Apple TV and I was like, Kim, just try it. She was like, this isn't interesting to me. I don't like sci-fi. I don't like murder. I don't like robots.
Andrew It has exactly none of the things that I want.
Everett And I was like, you just gotta trust me. Kim's into it. Kim's addicted. I think Kim's going to read the books.
Andrew Oh, okay. So the books, the show got her. And Skarsgård is not partially clothed that often. He's usually got clothes on him.
Everett It does not matter what you think you like. Martha Wells has written this to appeal to hardcore sci-fi assholes. And knowing that people are also going to read this that are like not that and be like, whoa, this is really good. And then other people, if you haven't read Murderbot, go read it. It's the most delightful sci-fi series that's come out in the last 50 years.
Andrew I think I'm going to read it because I watched a couple episodes of the show and liked the show. And I was like, I bet the books are going to be a lot better.
Everett The other thing is the show and the show is good. In fact, I recommend you watch it, but it's not as good as the books.
Andrew Yeah, I got that. I got that read off of it because there's so much. There was a lot of really interesting. uh missed character development that you could tell in a book would happen and and character arcs that at least that i've seen so far into it i'm like oh a book would have a book would have filled that void that i can see
Everett I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Yeah. So the first series is the original novella and the original novella is like 150 pages. That's not very long. No. That's like the script for episode one was probably 150 pages. I think we're getting almost scene for scene at this point. Huh. Yeah. It gets more complex as we move through the series. So it was originally a novella, and then I think it was a second novella, and then I think people were like, Martha, can we please get a fucking Murderbot book? Can we get a book? And she was like, yeah, yeah. I got you. I got you. So it's hard to say. It's hard to say.
Andrew I'm intrigued. I've enjoyed the show so far. I almost used it as another thing, but I was like, I'm going to skip a TV show. I don't remember. It was a couple weeks ago. Yeah.
Everett My other thing is kind of the show, but also the books.
Andrew I read that as it was the books, and then if you get some time, watch the show.
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