anOrdain goes Porcelain (344)

Published on Tue, 10 Jun 2025 20:22:45 -0700

Synopsis

In this episode of 40 in 20, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss various watch releases and personal stories. They start by correcting a previous error about Stova's history, acknowledging that Stova has been making the Antia watch since the 1930s. They review several new watches including Leica's updated ZM models with green Fumé dials, Nevada's Chronomaster Aviator Sea Diver with vintage Valjoux movements, and Anordain's Model 2 featuring unique porcelain dials. The hosts also discuss Manta's Ocean King dive watch and a new Kickstarter project from Monceau.

Beyond watches, Andrew shares his recent camping experience and how walkie-talkies enhanced the trip with his family. Everett discusses his discovery of 1792 Foolproof bourbon, which he found surprisingly excellent for its $52 price point. The episode concludes with their usual announcements about their website, social media presence, and Patreon support.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett You know, I'm fine. I don't have anything really special, interesting, weird, bizarre, anything like that. I feel like I always do.
Andrew Yeah, you're always busy, works crazy, kids are busy.
Everett That's always all true. No, this has been a nice week. The weather's been nice.
Andrew It has been.
Everett And I noticed my lawn's starting to dry out a little bit, so I finally got it on a watering schedule. But yeah, Andrew, how are you?
Andrew I'm good. I haven't looked at my lawn. My back lawn's a disaster, but, you know, whatever. I know that. I got back... 20 minutes ago. Yeah, 20 minutes ago, yeah. From a camping trip, which is super fun. And it was south of Glamping, north of camping, right? Like we were in very, very rustic cabins. So we had an indoor heated place to sleep. And then life existed outside. And it was super fun. In fact, my other thing is actually part of what made this... this trip super fun um but we went to a state park that's got a bunch of hiking trails and is known for they have like the the trail of ten falls which is waterfalls, and if you do the full hike, it's like 12 miles. We did a three-mile hike and saw a couple really big waterfalls, and the way they've cut the path, you get to walk behind the waterfalls, and it was lovely. The kids had a good time. I had a good time. I made a shrimp boil because when I go camping, I'm not like the... it's not PB and J and hot dogs. It's like, no, we're cooking outside, which means I can run the smoker all day or I can do something fun. Cause like having good hot food when you're camping feels really good. Uh, so I did a shrimp boil on Friday night and turned out fantastic. Um, some little things that I could have done differently that would have improved it, but it was time constraints. Um, yeah, so I'm, I'm a little sunburned, a little tired. Uh, but other than that, really good. Had a fun weekend. And it is again Sunday morning where I'm getting ready to go to bed. Yeah.
Everett It's such a weird. Yeah. I mean, it's not weird. It's normal. It's just. It's not normal. It's very weird. Yeah. No, and I haven't been camping in probably a few years. I think I would like to do that this year, figure out a way. But I'm definitely – I've got like two modes of camping, and I sort of don't want anything in between. Like the first mode is – where I'm like carrying my shit and I'm making myself as comfortable as I can and balancing my comfort during the day versus carrying all of your shit. Yeah, that's right. And so that feel, I mean, there's something about that balancing effort that is, is, is really enjoyable.
Andrew Oh yeah. I love backpacking, but I have little kids, so I don't get to do that.
Everett The other way, the other way is, Let's talk about that. The other way that I like to camp is, like, I want to be kind of outdoor adjacent and then very fucking comfortable. So, like, I've even looked at, in the last few months, I've looked at... glamping tents, like legit sort of almost cabin style glamping tents. You know, like we're going to go camping and we need to bring two rigs because we can't fit the family and all the stuff we're going to take. We had to take two cars this weekend because we...
Andrew I was accidentally signed up to provide a dinner for 16 people. I had intended to do it for like seven people, for my family, and then another family was coming with us. And then that number doubled, which meant that the cooler space that I had planned for was no longer adequate. So now we're like... Yeah, you had a second cooler, and it's like, well, that's... Yeah. In a fucking... Passenger vehicle? Yeah, we're loading Sam's van. I put one cooler in. I was like, we have to take two cars. And she's like, no, I think we can do it. I was like, look, I've drawn up thousands of load plans. And I'm telling you, we're not going to make this happen. Let's just throw it in the truck. Then we can bring a couple extra things. And we'll be extra comfortable. Like, I got to bring my Pit Boss smoker. I made Frito pie on it. And the smoke soaked into the Fritos on top. And it was fantastic. Yeah, no, I'm with you. That's why we got a trailer, right? Like, it is a heated, cooled...
Everett quieter area especially for the littles like where they can be separated from it and i can be comfortable you can be clean like sweep and you're not just dirty all the time we've got uh we've got a big like i don't know it's probably quote unquote 12 person but it's like a family sized tent and i'm thinking about getting a like a glamping tent like a very sort of high-end glamping tent for my wife and I and then taking the big one for the kids and being like you guys have that area we're gonna have this area yeah and I don't feel bad at all I mean at some point I was like oh we're supposed to do it this way and now I'm like no I want to do it
Andrew You should get one of the ultralight three-season teepees and a stove. They're collapsible stoves. They have a floor. The only oddity is that they're round.
Everett Right now, we're looking at Southern Oregon properties. I'm trying to find the right... I can do it, but it's got to be the right arrangement. But if we do that, we'll probably install like... some sort of pad area and put some semi-permanent camping stuff there. So that's something that would be fun, even if you only use it a handful of times a year. You drill a well, put a 500-gallon propane tank on it. Probably something like that, exactly. Anyway, we're here to talk about watches. I'm just going to say... This is a slow week, Andrew. It is a slow week. It is. It's a slow week. Before we get started in terms of new material, we do have to revisit some old material, specifically some material from last week. Oh, did we make an error? Yeah, I think more I made an error than you made an error. I'm going to take credit for this one. I got reached. We were reached out to this week by a watch guy and a photographer. I believe he's from I think he's from Toronto. Shoot.
Andrew I think they say it Toronto.
Everett Montreal. He's a Montreal based photographer named Sebastian Latre. Yeah, I think I'm going to say that right. Anyway, he said, hey, look, with regards to the Stova Antia. Everett, you were a little suggestive that Stova was ripping off Nomos. He didn't actually say those words. He was very polite. I mean, it's the most Canadian message I've ever received. What he was saying in American was, hey, fuck hat. Fact check your shit. Instead, Sebastian is like, he compliments us. He says, you know, hey, I've had this watch for a long time. Here's the bottom line. Stove has been making the Antia since the 1930s, made in the Bauhaus tradition. And there are models of the Stove Antia from the 1930s that very closely resemble the Stove Antia KS that was released last week and also released in 2004 and at every point since then. So... I said that shit. I said they've been making the Antia since the thirties. Okay. You did. You did. So here's, I'll just, I'll just make one excuse. We had different links for that watch and it's true. Had I bothered to read your link, I would have been much better educated. The link that I provided you and, and, and in fairness, the link we put on our show notes is the good one. The link that I sent to you was significantly less descriptive and I just didn't do enough work to speak on that. But if anything, if anything, there's a better argument that the Nomos-Tingente case is borrowing heavily from Stova and perhaps Longa designs from the 30s. So I've done a little reading on this. I was wrong. I don't mind admitting it. Stova's a player. They've been around forever. And to your point, Andrew, and Sebastian's point, and perhaps anybody else...
Andrew I was wrong. Thank you. God, finally we get into a minute recorded. Can we soundbite that and just make it a button? I was wrong. Yesterday, last night, I was sitting in a camp chair. Kids are making s'mores, drinking hot chocolate. One of the chairs next to me is one of those Costco big bracket framed chairs with the folding shelf on the side. There's three kids all stirring and eating their marshmallows out of their hot chocolate on that shelf. And I'm sitting there and I'm kind of like trying to referee because they're like starting to like flick hot chocolate in each other's faces. And I'm like... No, no, stop that. That's hot. If that gets on you, it will hurt. And one of them kind of like stands up and leans on this collapsible shelf. And you know what happens? Obviously that shelf, that shelf falls out from underneath and all three camp size mugs of hot chocolate washed down my leg and into my Gore-Tex line to boot. And, and I, I, Oh my God. I immediately exclaim some expletives, but I'm like, you know what? You saw that coming. You did nothing to stop it. This is your fault. So after I calmed myself for a moment, I picked up their hot chocolate. They're like, oh, our hot chocolate. Meanwhile, the hot chocolate is now cooling off on my foot, and I'm like, okay, that's not going to be like liquid burns. It's just extremely uncomfortable, and I need to at least get my foot out of this for a few minutes. Okay, I'll get you a new hot chocolate. And I took the mugs over and everyone's kind of like, oh, what's about to happen? Because everyone saw what happened. They're like, this is... They're all a little scared of you. Everyone's a little unsure about what way this is going to go. And I took it like a pro. I went and I changed my sock. I let my boot dry out for a minute. And it's just like, it's not a burn. I just have like kind of a dry sore spot.
Unknown What does this have to do with me being wrong?
Andrew I was rubbing my foot and you looked at me like I was being weird. And now I'm mentioning that. I literally hadn't even noticed it. Because I had hot chocolate poured down my boot last night. Andrew, let's move along. Give me a watch. Oh, yeah. I'm going to start with a watch that is, I think, interesting because it doesn't make sense. And we talked about Leica's first release when they released a watch, what, two years ago? Yeah. Maybe three. It's been a minute. Leica's been... Leica? They've been making watches for a minute. Leica has done a little bit of an upgrade, perhaps an iterative change to the ZM1 and ZM2. 2015, by the way.
Everett We've talked about Leica watches since we've been recording. Yeah, 2015 is, well, okay, wait. 2015 is when their owner said, I want to do this. Yeah, anyway, carry on, Andrew. I'm sorry. I'm just being annoying.
Andrew So I think what interests me about Leica making watches, and, you know, this is not a not interesting watch. Right. There are... Wait, wait. This is an interesting watch. It's not not interesting. They're making Lehman hand-wound movement watches. Decent size, 41 millimeter case, 14 and a half thick, 48.1 lug to lug, 50 meters of water resistance. They've got dome sapphire. The upgrade here is green Fumé dials. And I... really can get down with these Fume dials because they're not quite the Fume look. They're almost like wood-grained, vertical, really lovely textured dials that I'm super down with and would I think like in colors that weren't green because the green is, I don't know, there's nothing wrong with it. It's just not for me. But it's interesting to me that Leica is still doing this. They also are releasing their first Milanese bracelet. Uh, and what, this is an interesting watch at like the three to $5,000 zone for me. Right. But these are 20,000 bucks. They're Australian dollars. So maybe they're, maybe it's not actually a full 20,000, but I'm having trouble wrapping my head around it.
Everett Yeah, no, I think these come in U.S. I think these sell at like the $14,000 to $17,000 price range often. I don't know how tariffs or whatever is affecting that. But I think that Leica is sort of unapologetically suggesting that we're making top-shelf shit.
Andrew And I mean, I struggle to wrap my head around it. I'm okay with jewelry companies making watches that are top-shelf. Leica just doesn't make sense to me. I don't get it, but I really dig this watch, and on this Milanese bracelet, I'm here for it.
Everett Yeah, I mean, I think... I'll speak for both of us, Andrew, because I know you're in the same place here, but the odds of either of us getting a... over, let's say, $12,000 watch in the next three to five years is incredibly low. Either of us. Now, let's project that out 20 years. I won't make the same promise.
Andrew Yeah, even north of a decade. But in the next three to five, certainly not.
Everett And so, given that... Given that, I don't think either one of us should really say this isn't a good watch for the money or whatever. Not that that's what you're saying. Not that that's what you're saying. But I'm with you 100%. Yeah, I just can't wrap my head around it. I'm with you 100%. Because I know like a $5,000 watch. I'm like, this is really fucking cool. But like, I'm going to have to decide today. I'm going to have to decide right now today because there's a gun to my head. Do I go out and buy a Longa or do I go out and buy a Leica watch?
Andrew Leica. Gonna go weird.
Everett Gonna risk it.
Unknown Like, what the fuck?
Everett You know, if you're a huge fan of the brand because you're an analog photographer from the 60s, you know.
Andrew And there it is. There's the market segment. It's a whole thing that I struggle to... I don't understand why, right? They're this powerhouse in... They're clearly having success.
Everett They've clearly plotted out... There's a lot that goes into making a watch, right? And... Just like anything. But watches are maybe not unique, but watches are specific in that many of the decisions you make can change the measure of success, right? So, for instance, when we released the Foster, we made way too many black dials. Which is not to say... Not enough gray. Which is not to say that the Foster was... The blacked out Foster was unsuccessful. We sold more blacked out Fosters than any other color. But we made too many relative to other colors, which diminished our overall success, for sure. And so... It's these types of decisions, right? How many do I make? What's the demand going to be like? What is the supply and demand threshold that's going to create success? And so I think that what we can say is that Leica's brain trust... is understanding this in a way that's allowing them to be successful in selling this absurdly expensive, very niche marketability watch. And so to that end, fuck it. Yeah, do it, like it, do your thing. But for me and you and probably many, many, many, many people, weird. Don't get it.
Andrew I don't get it. It's... I mean, the movement's gorgeous. The watch itself is lovely. What's the movement in this? It's a... I know we've talked about this in the past. Layman. Manually wound. And I don't remember. Layman? L-E-H-M-A-N-N.
Unknown Layman. Okay.
Andrew Lawman, maybe? I don't know. I don't... Sprechen, so... Well... we'll look into it I mean it's cool like they're doing it's a made in Germany watch like all of it makes sense just in a vacuum but on the at scale I don't understand it
Everett No, I think I don't either. And that's okay. I've got a fun one. I don't believe this is a watch you can buy. In fact, I'm sure it's not a watch you can buy today. Is it even a watch? It is a watch. It's not a watch that you could buy today. However, it's a story about a watch that I think at some point you probably... will be able to buy or at least contemplate buying. This is a brand called, I want to say it's Animoic, which is a brand that's been conceived of by a student named Magnus Swan. Oh, yeah. And Magnus Swan is a design student. He's an undergraduate design student. He is known to have bugged, irritated. I don't think irritated is right. known to have been pestered, known to have pestered Richard Bentz of Studio Underdog for an internship. An internship. Bank. Bank? Oh, yeah, that's right. I'm sorry. In which he was successful in obtaining, eventually, after perhaps years. So this is a guy with sort of... design bona fides, who has wiggled his way into a very, very cool design internship gig and has, as part of his academic work, as part of his academic endeavors, has created a watch. That's what we're going to call this thing.
Andrew Yeah, I suppose one would call it a watch.
Everett It's a watch. And for our purposes, I'll just say it's like nothing else I've ever seen. It clearly has influences, though. Clearly, clearly. With that said, still, still like nothing else I've ever seen. This is very much... a watch that I would expect to be part of a concept for a design program, an academic design program. Uh, however, what's cool is that for our purposes, it appears, it appears that, uh, Mr. Swan Magnus has decided based on his experience with the industry, much like, much like many enthusiasts started micro brands. This guy's like, you know what? Why the fuck not? Why the fuck not? So it is a watch that specifically evokes the Battle of Versailles. What might you say is the Battle of Versailles? I've heard of the Treaty of Versailles. I didn't know. And so maybe you know at home. If you do, good on you. I didn't know. In 1973, the Battle of Versailles was a fashion show. In Versailles, specifically the Palace of Versailles. That tracks. In which YSL, Pierre Cardin, Oscar de la Renta, Anne Klein competed, perhaps, to raise money for the restoration of the Palace of Versailles. Andy Warhol was there, Eliza Minnelli, Josephine Baker. People were there. Influential people were there. And so it is that... show which has inspired the design behind this watch i want to say you know so a watch that was designed in the 1970s to evoke like maybe a much earlier time we're getting a really bizarre blend of design influences here we're getting some like art deco we're getting some sort of like maybe some like Rococo.
Andrew It's a really classic, like high fashion jewelry. Yes. With the infusion of this kind of like punk rock. I don't care. I don't care what the, what the standard is. I'm going to do it my way, which is very much like studio underdog, very much Christopher Ward. I think this is a really, really exciting piece of British watchmaking and,
Unknown Well, can we call it that yet? Let's hold off.
Andrew A British watch design? And actually, I don't know if Magnus is British. I guess he probably is. I would assume so, given the environment that he's worked in. Or at least this is coming from or inspired by, perhaps, is maybe it. But this is, I don't know. I think this is a really cool spark. Because of how exciting British watchmaking is right now.
Everett Wait, we're getting ahead of ourselves.
Andrew We are.
Everett Okay, we're getting ahead of ourselves. So there is a prototype that is in existence, or at least one prototype, maybe more. We've got a rectangular case. And when I say a rectangular case, that doesn't quite do it justice. It is a rectangle. The case is a rectangle. and as is the dial as is the crystal as is the crown although the crown is square it's layers of cubes a few notable entries we've got a rectangular dial that's been CNC machine guilloche patterned with this sort of it's like brushed and then it's got engraving that are in this intricate I want to say art deco guilloche Very geometric, art deco-y. The case is curved on the underside, although flat on the top, so it's going to hug your wrist. It's got a really, really subtle, but really, really good curve. 28 millimeters across, 39 millimeters long, 7'5 thick, at least in the center, I believe. And, and... Is that to crystal or is that to case top? I believe to top. I believe to top, including the faceted and tinted crystal.
Andrew So this has got a... Now we're to the actually exciting and different part, where the punk rock comes in.
Everett A sapphire colored, a sapphire tinted, and when I say sapphire, I mean like a blue tinted sapphire crystal that's faceted. Okay, you just got to look. We're not going to describe this thing. We're not going to use words. Just look. There's a link in the show notes. Just look at it. It is fucking cool. And the anticipated price is like 2,000 pounds. Pounds of what? 2,000 pounds of poop. Oh, sweet. 2,000 great British pounds sterling, which is to say, you know, 2,500 bucks maybe.
Andrew Yeah, maybe. We'll see.
Everett This thing is cool as poop. It's cool as poop, Andrew. 2,000 pounds of poop. It's actually way cooler than that.
Andrew 2,000 pounds of poop. And you can see the studio underdog influence of playing with color. Not playing with color in the way of like innovative color. I made faces at Andrew. I made faces at Andrew. Not in being innovative with color, but innovative with how to use color. You know, you think sapphire crystals coming from Studio Underdog or sapphire dial, excuse me, coming from Studio Underdog. And now in lieu of a dial color, you have a crystal color onto this steel. It's got to be steel CNC dial. Which is, on its own, would be lovely through a clear crystal. But he wanted a sapphire blue dial. And I was like, oh, I'll just make you look at it through sapphire blue crystal. The innovation is super cool. And this isn't like an AR color-coded crystal. This is a...
Everett crystal that's blue yeah andrew you said something interesting earlier you said you said punk rock uh but i had a thought when i was looking at this thing the first time i and this is random that you said it but i agreed with you wholeheartedly because when i was thinking i was like who who would like This feels to me like if you just happen to like have a like incidental meetup with Keith Richards, I feel like if Keith Richards was wearing this watch, you'd never heard of the brand. You had never seen the watch, but it was just like, like Keith Richards. That's, that was the thought I had earlier when I was looking at this thing. It's like, this is a watch that Keith Richards would wear. I don't know why. I don't know why. I can't justify that. And maybe Keith Richards has a watch. thing that I don't know about. I don't know about it, so don't at me. But that was the thought that came into my head. Like, this is a very cool person would wear this watch.
Andrew Yeah. Keith Richards would also wear, like, several pocket watches on chains around his neck, maybe. But then this watch on his wrist. Yeah. But this very much is. This is a super cool, like... Everything's familiar and nothing is the same. That's right. This is terrific design. We probably talked about it too long, especially because it doesn't exist, but carry on. Not yet. I think I want one. I want one too. Yeah, I think I want one that's in the realm of like, I could make that happen. This is a watch that I would wear the shit out of. Water resistance on it is, I think, 30 meters. Yeah, 50. Better than a Patek? Yep. I mean, just, you know, consider that. What's next? Okay, next up for me, Unimatic and Henry Singer collaboration with the mechanical Modelo Trey U3SHS. And this is, I don't, we've talked about Unimatic a lot. I don't know that we've ever talked about Henry Singer on the show. But I saw the watch and I was like, oh, I'm in. So this is a 40 millimeter, 41 and a half with the bezel overhang diameter watch. 15 too thick. 300 meters of water resistance. So we've got a specced out, no bullshit watch. Sellita 510 movement. Not a chronometer. 3,000 pounds. So I'm like, okay, we got something here. So this is a really, excuse me, really subtle dial bicompax diving chronograph with this really, really great, like... a kind of ghosty gray dial and bezel insert, but the bezel insert or the bezel itself actually cuts back down into the case, giving it almost like a shrouded look. This is cool. Dual color loom, Fotina, which I wish they would have done white on in lieu of Fotina tan on the, or not on the numerals, but on the markers around your hour track and on your hour hand, and then a green loom on your minute hand and your bezel, which I think is a really interesting legibility play. And I don't know if I've seen that elsewhere, where your hours match your hour hand and your minutes match your bezel. I'm sure it exists out there, but when I saw it, I was like, oh, that makes perfect sense. It seems like a ball. a ball watch company move that I can't, I can't place if that exists there, but I'm totally down with it. This is like a, this is a really jewelry ask, which makes sense out of Henry Singer chronograph. And I'm down with it. I love this. Yeah, I don't know anything about Henry Singer. And there's only 36 being made, so you'll never see one in person, and you're probably not going to be able to get one.
Everett This thing seems weird to me. No, I'm for it, dude. I don't love the watch itself. Oh, I do. I don't love the watch itself. I like some of the design elements of the watch, but I don't actually like the watch itself. I like the bezel, and I like just about nothing else. The end link makes me a little like...
Andrew The end link is a miss, but this bead blasted case, the case shape is great.
Everett The pushers are great. At least the case top is brushed. It's brushed.
Unknown It's brushed.
Everett Um, I don't like the pushers. I don't hate the pushers. I don't like the giant crown. I know that some, I mean, it's just too much. Also it's, it's 15 too thick. I really liked the Modelo tray chronographs, um, which is to say, uh, the, the VK 64, 63, whatever they are. Yeah. The, the Mecca courts, this, this feels like, um, I just don't want it. I don't like it. I'm not saying it's bad. It's not bad. It's just weird. This is a big unimatic chronograph.
Andrew It's a big bitch. It's a big bitch. I think maybe it's the ghosty gray that sells it for me. Yeah, the color's great. That's the color I want on a watch. The color's terrific. I'm with you.
Everett No objections there. And I think I can overlook all of the other problems because of how good the color is. Now, I know that they did a... This is their first mechanical chronograph. They did a mechanical chronograph a couple years ago that went to auction. It was just a piece unique that went to auction for like $12 billion. I can't remember how much it sold for. For like a good cost type of thing.
Andrew Okay. No, I'm for it. It could just be the gray. The gray might be causing me to overlook all the other problems. We can... We can move on.
Everett We can move on and we're going to disagree. I don't know what... I don't know what Made in Italy means. It was made there. I don't think so. Like the pasta. This says Made in Italy on it, and I don't think Made in Italy means anything. Probably not. I think Made in Italy. Made in America means something, though.
Andrew It does.
Everett No, well, it does.
Andrew It does. It really does. Legally speaking, it does. It feels weird to say that, but there's a much higher threshold. Probably.
Everett No, no, I'm certain there is. I don't know what the threshold for Made in Italy is, but I know it is, I know that it is significantly, by several orders of magnitude, less strenuous than Made in the United States or Made in America. I don't know what it is, but I'm sort of, I'm put off by this watch.
Andrew So the AI overview says it can't bear Made in Italy unless it, was entirely designed, manufactured, and packaged in Italy. It contrasts with labels like Made in Germany or Made in USA, which may have less stringent requirements.
Everett I don't believe that. That's what AI says. I think AI is wrong. I don't think that's true.
Andrew Article 16 of Italian law 166-2009. This article clarifies that the maiden Italy designation requires all production phases to occur within Italian territory, according to the Wikipedia. Wikipedia has never been wrong. That's true. Maybe.
Everett I've got a couple of... Andrew, we kind of let the... Okay, so we've got one really cool thing that we're going to save to the end because I think this is the thing. Yeah, I agree. And so with that, we've got a couple of throwaways. These aren't throwaways, but I'll just start. Breitling? Breitling? Have you heard of Breitling?
Andrew You know, I'm aware of... I watched you break one of them once.
Everett Yeah, that's true. Breitling's releasing a Navitimer BO2 chronograph, 41 millimeter Cosmonaut Scott Carpenter Centenary. Cosmonaut. celebrating 100 years since Scott Carpenter's birth. They sort of, you could tell they're like, what's up? Yeah, we need an anniversary here. What happened 100 years ago? I'm fine. I'm just teasing them a little bit. But Scott Carpenter, famously the second American after Scott Glenn to orbit the Earth. Fourth American in space, blah, blah, blah, blah. May 24th, 1962, Scott Carpenter orbited the Earth three times.
Andrew And Breitling is... Mercury Atlas 7, he wore a Breitling.
Everett Breitling is celebrating not the 100th anniversary of that event, but rather his birth, which for sure was necessary to have allowed him to orbit the Earth. Yeah, no. But famously, Scott Carpenter requested a Breitling beat on his wrist. for that event. And to celebrate that in sort of a roundabout way, we've got, it's a platinum Navitimer.
Andrew That's what we have. I think it would be so much cooler if they were to reproduce the Breitling that caused him to give a shit about Breitling. Because obviously Scott Carpenter was a pilot. He more likely than not wore Breitlings on his wrist, which is why he requested a Breitling while flying into space. If they had just reproduced recreated the Scott Carpenter Breitling that he preferred. Because you know they could figure that out.
Everett Well, we know which one it was. It was just a black dialed non-panda chronograph. Just do that!
Unknown Well...
Everett I mean, whatever. This is beautiful. It's gorgeous.
Andrew It is blue.
Everett It is really lovely. It's blue with a panda expression. I think we can say that. It's a platinum. It's a fucking platinum Navitimer.
Andrew Every time I see the Navitimer, I'm like, God damn it. I'm eventually going to have a Navitimer. It's 42,000 euro.
Everett Not this one. It's 42,000 euro, but you should get it. I hate that I like the Navitimer.
Andrew I got five on it. I hate that I like it. No, it's great. Not this particular watch, but I hate that the Navitimer just speaks to me.
Unknown Why, why, why?
Andrew Because I don't want one. Why not? But I need one.
Everett There are a handful of watches, Andrew. There's the Speedmaster. There's the Submariner. There's the Navitimer. I'm missing a few. There's the Santos.
Andrew He's pointing at my wrist. I'm not wearing a Santos. I'm wearing actually a... in 11 at most.
Everett Yeah, well that watch actually in the same category.
Andrew Agreed. It has become my like not tactical required but still like functional required go-to. Yeah.
Everett I mean, look, I was wearing my 11 at. Okay, we'll move on. But there are a handful of watches that Are always going to be good. They're just always going to be good. I might even throw a Seiko Turtle or a 62 Moss into there.
Andrew I think you throw Explorer in there. A hundred.
Everett A hundred. So there's these watches that it's like, don't feel bad. That's the greatest watch ever made. Yeah. Don't feel bad.
Andrew I do.
Everett It's weird. It's weird that you would feel bad about it.
Andrew It's like... I think I should get the Zen edition, though.
Everett That's actually... If someone said the Navitimer is the greatest watch ever made, I'd be like, I don't agree with you, but I get... But yes. I can't say you're wrong either. But also, yes.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett Right? Same if they said the Santo. Same if they said the Submariner. Same if they said, perhaps, the Explorer. I'm like, okay, no, but yes. Right? Don't feel bad. Don't feel bad. Why is this here? We had to take it off Calvin's wall because he threw it. I just bashed a map and Andrew, like it's a big wooden map thing and Andrew gave me a dirty look, but like actually he's got this map thing leaning directly over my chairs.
Andrew I do. It was on my son's wall and he took it off the wall and threw it.
Everett Platinum Navitimer, Andrew.
Andrew Yeah, it's really, I mean, it's a winner. I want one.
Everett I actually didn't look into this. I don't know if this is the first ever Platinum Navitimer. In fact, I'm sure it's not.
Andrew It just is a Platinum Navitimer. It's a Platinum Navitimer. With an excuse for a release. And I was like, yeah, I want that. Shit, we need a story for this. And they didn't go full Grand Seiko, which I appreciate. They just went a little like, what could we tie this to? What's next? Nevada Grinchin, pair of Valjoux 23 powered limited edition, the Chronomaster Aviator Sea Diver. The CASD. Yeah.
Everett As it's known in knowing circles. I don't know anything about anything.
Andrew A venturine black dial. They're lovely.
Unknown They're freaking great. Wait, are you going to actually describe the watch?
Andrew I'm going to get there. Okay, would you do some more work here? So we have this terrific 38 millimeter case, 1295 thick. Ready for it? We should get a drum roll. 316L steel. Got it. 100 meters of water resistance. Coming in on leather straps. The Valjoux 23VZ. Hours, minutes, running seconds, 30-minute counter, 48-hour power reserve. They are $5,000 shipped. Okay, so two dials. We have a black dial.
Everett Andrew, Andrew, I'm a micromanager, but Jesus Christ. This is the Nevada CASD Chronomaster Aviator Sea Diver. It's... which is one of the most popular Nevadas that you can get. However, rather than having a Salida movement, There's Valjoux. Nevada has found new old stock Valjoux 20, which they've done in the past. They've released, but never in a Chronomaster Air Aviator Sea Diver. So the story here is Nevada's taking two things that they already do. They've taken the Chronomaster Aviator Sea Diver, CASD, and the vintage new old stock. Vows you 23 movements and combine them. Carry on. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You bury the lead sometimes.
Andrew One of my favorite things is to bury the lead. And just watch me fucking squirm. You can't see the physical. You can hear the physical discomfort. You can hear it. But the joy of seeing it is just next level.
Unknown Well, just tell the fucking story.
Andrew So the exciting one here is really this blue aventurine. It's not blue. It is blue. It's blue aventurine. So it's a blue aventurine, but it's really a black dial with a blue circle around your minute track aventurine, which I think is just like... Definitely the most exciting material that a company can work with in special edition watches. Yeah, we've always been huge fans of Adventure King. It's so, so cool. Not only the manufacturing process and the precision... and attention to detail that's necessary for it. But when it's executed, you can't execute it poorly, because if you execute it poorly, you fuck it up. It's just one of the neatest quasi-natural materials on Earth. It's just, yeah, it's absolutely fantastic. And these are nothing short of phenomenal. This Aventurine Dial is... matched by a faux aventurine pattern on the bezel. I wondered about that. So is the bezel not... I don't think there's actual... I could be wrong here.
Everett It says an aventurine bezel in the materials.
Andrew Does it? It does, yeah. Which makes it now the coolest thing. Because to adventure in a dial is special enough because of the manufacturing process necessary to get there. But to do it on this three millimeter thick... three and a half millimeter thick bezel. Yeah. Is so, so cool. This dial is like looking into the night sky in a darkness sanctuary. That's right.
Everett In a corner of the Milky Way.
Andrew It is. This isn't even a watch that you care if you wound. you just want to see this watch it is stunning it has it perfectly captures that blue black of like an hour after twilight where there's still a little bit of light reflecting up into the atmosphere but you can see all the stars It's just... Or maybe like a full illumination moon night. It's just stunning. Silver sub-dials that reflect almost like they're meant to be reminiscent of the moon in the night sky. It is...
Everett I'm not confident that we've gotten any actual images of this. The only thing we've seen is... These all look like renderings. Yeah. So, you know, whatever. Let's see. What do they say here? The dial is made of deep blue aventurine.
Unknown You know, they don't mention the...
Everett bezel 39 you just told me it did yes yes so there we go on the nevada nevada website 39 millimeter bi-directional bi-directional rotating bezel in aventurine
Andrew I don't care about the black dial. The black dial is also lovely. This Aventurine blue dial is where it's at.
Everett And they're different treatments, right? We've got sort of a dive bezel on the black. Or a world timer on the blue. The blue is a world timer. So you've got these Brisbane... azores uh azores cairo you know we've got these cities listed in adventuring this is fucking cool man and and and to have and to have these vintage new old stock valjoux vz movements um yeah i'm
Andrew fucking pumped about this dude yeah this could be like a reckless like I'm a couple beers too deep and my wife's not looking kind of purchase right and I'm not even I mean also Andrew Andrew under 13 millimeters thick with a
Everett Yeah, with a vintage Valjoux movement. And see-through case back. And if there's ever been a case where I'm like, yes.
Andrew Every Valjoux movement needs a see-through case back. This is dope. Yeah. These are fucking great, man. The curve on those lugs is fantastic.
Unknown And I don't hate the price, $5,000. That's what this watch is worth.
Andrew Every cent.
Unknown I think so.
Andrew Yeah. I think so. Yeah. There's no, no bitch about price here.
Everett These things are fucking rad. The only thing, um, the only thing that I think is, is a downsize at all. Downside is all is just 25 pieces.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Everett I forgot to mention how limited they were, which is a natural result, but I'm here. Oh no. Blue dial sold out. They're both sold out. Fuck. We're the worst.
Andrew There's another batch in September. Okay. Well, there you go. This is fucking rad. So stay tuned because you might be able to get your hands on one. These are really, really, really cool. Yeah, the Aventurine was just like, it got my juices flowing. And I knew you were going to be excited about this one, which is why I slow rolled it. And I loved watching that. I loved watching that.
Unknown Just tell the fucking story. It's not even.
Unknown Just tell the story.
Andrew I want to not. I just want to.
Unknown I can't take it anymore.
Everett You know, actually, and this is – I'm not blaming this on Andrew because I'm just as guilty of this. But one of the most common criticisms of the show we hear is that, A, we won't actually tell you what we're talking about sometimes because we're so conversational, right? We're just drinking beer and talking about watches. And we're talking about things that we've both previously exchanged via text message. Or like have already talked about. That's right. So at times we'll start talking about something, but like – almost like completely avoid the topic of what we're talking about.
Andrew Yeah, that's because you turn to talk to somebody else at the table for a moment and then you're rejoining our conversation. Yeah.
Everett Pay attention. So it's a really fair criticism. So sometimes I'm sensitive to that in that particular set. I was like, Andrew, you've got to tell people what this is. So here, I'm going to introduce the next watch. What I'm going to say is... Nothing. The brand, Manta, out of St. Louis, has released a version of the Ocean King, which is their existing third version of their dive watch, which has received a little bit of... guff for being the the the criticisms are are not they kind of like range some people say it's too too generic some people say it's too specific some people say it's any anyway here's my take this is the best dive watch you can get for under three thousand bucks they've they
Andrew I think it's absolutely in the conversation. I don't know about the best. Maybe best spec'd.
Everett Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. For me, Everett Meadows, as I sit here today, co-host of 40 and 20 The Watch Clicker podcast, also managing partner at Gardner Beckley Meadows. I don't have those. This is the best. This is the best dive watch you can get for under $3,000. Previously released in blue and black. Now we get it in turquoise with a black bezel, and I think it's really cool. I don't know how many they're making. It says limited, but I wasn't able to quickly find an amount of these being made.
Andrew Manta, when they typically do limited, they do like... a limited period.
Everett And everything on Manta is limited too, right?
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Like, which is just to say Manta makes things and then they stop making them and then they make a different version. I do, I did, I do have it on good Intel that the announcement for the next gen triumph is coming this summer. And when I say I have it on good Intel, Justin told me that Justin, uh, are we going to have to cut this? No, no, no. Because I'm not saying anything. I'm not saying anything. He predicted that an announcement regarding the new Triumph would come sometime this summer. So it may or may not come. I don't know. But that was his prediction to me. There's nothing embargoed in that.
Andrew And when you run a company and you predict that something will happen, there's pretty good authority.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett So anyway, it's a... Fuck, Andrew. It's a turquoise-dyed Ocean King.
Andrew I really like the Ocean King, and I don't know what about it isn't for me, but the Ocean King has just never been for me. I don't know why. It's just never... It's never got my juices.
Everett I don't own one. I don't own one, so maybe it's fair to say it's also not for me, but I love it. Because you own several other dive watches. Yes, although here's what I'll say. Here's what I'll say. I own exactly one dive watch that gets close to the caliber of this, and I got it for $800. There's something about a dive watch that I'm reluctant to spend a lot of money on. So when I got my SPB 143, I bought it specifically because I got a smoking deal on a new... SPB 143. I got a $1,200 watch for $800, and I was like, yeah, I'll do it. I'm copping. With that said, what are our options? We've got some Longines stuff. We've got used Tudor. We've got Zen U50. Yep, full suite of Doxa. And we've got Aorus, the Aorus Aquus. Mm-hmm. That's the competition.
Andrew And there's some other competition. Yeah, there's some odds and ends in there, but the real competition is there.
Everett Seamasters you can get into.
Andrew Yeah, but we're not talking used prices here. We want brand new in box pricing. There's nothing else you can buy that's like this.
Everett Yeah, no. The Aquus. The Aquus is actually the only true competition. Some people might throw some Doxa in there, but the Doxa is so fucking different.
Andrew But I think when we're talking about... It's the Aquus. That's it. You're saying the best under 3,000. Yeah. It's so fucking different. But as different as Doxa might be... I think that's a taste difference. Oh, fair enough. Yeah. Right. Fit and finishes there. Specs are there. It's what type of dive watch are you looking for? Are you looking for a very modern looking in the vein of like a sub or a Seamaster? Yeah. I'm reluctant to say sub-esque, but. No, no, no, no. Come on. But this is clearly sub-esque. That's sub-esque. Deliberately. Yeah. So are you looking sub-esque or are you looking vintage inspired? Like what's your taste? What do you want? And I don't disagree in that the Ocean King is absolutely a top five choice for a dive watch under $3,000. I think those top five are all tied for first, maybe top four, three-ish. And it just comes down to what design you're looking for, what feel you're looking for. Yeah, so wait, wait, what are the five? So I've got Zen U50. U50, Aquus, Ocean King. I think you can put the 300 and the 300T in one. Sure. That's four. And the Zulu diver. Yeah, the Longines. The Longines.
Everett The spirit diver, yeah. Well, so I'll save some extra oxygen for you. It's this or the Doxa. That's it. whichever taste you want like that's it I think if you're splitting into just two like if you're looking for a more modern or a more vintage inspired those are the two I'm not saying if you at home have chose a different watch that you're wrong I'm just saying I'm right and those are the two best depending on which one you want
Andrew And it's all design. It's all the feel that you want out of that watch. The Aquus is a great watch. I've always been a little weird about the Aquus. I have taste aversion to Aquus. It's unrelated to the actual design of the watch. It's wholly related to that. It's a really cool watch. It's wholly related to a person that we know who got the Aquus. For all the wrong reasons. And then, yeah, it's just like, if you wear an Aquus, I'm sorry, but I have... We've told the story. We've at least alluded to it, right?
Everett Yeah, I feel differently about you. Andrew and I know perhaps the most awful person on the face of the earth. Certainly the douchiest. He's not just douchey. There was a long time where I thought he was just douchey. And then he turned out to be not only douchey, but also awful. Yeah, he sucks a lot. And then he at some point went and got an Aquus knowing nothing about watches, which pissed me off. And then he put it on a stingray strap, a blue... Blue and yellow, yeah. And yellow stingray strap. So I'm not ever going to be able to own an Aquus.
Andrew I can't get over it. And if you're wearing an Aquus right now, I can't get over it. I'm lumping you into... Unfairly so, I'm lumping you into the same pile as him.
Everett And lest you guys be like... This is weird, you guys. Andrew and I, very different, very different pet peeves, very different. Like we share, like this person is one of the most highly toxic humans on the earth. I've never met anybody who didn't hate him. one of the most highly toxic humans on earth. Yeah.
Andrew So I'm sorry if you're an Aquus owner, wearer, uh, appreciator, um, fuck you.
Everett Turquoise, turquoise ocean King.
Andrew It's great.
Everett It's just an ocean King. Yeah. We don't need to say anything else about it. It's turquoise V3 ocean King. Um, no, no, impossible.
Andrew Oh, we have a, actually, I do want to talk about this. So, I don't even know where Monceau, maybe? I think, oh, I do. I don't, part of the reason I didn't want to talk about this watch is because I'm not really sure how to address the naming. Or the language. No, I think Monceau.
Unknown Monceau? Yeah, I think Monceau.
Andrew Okay, I'm glad that you knew immediately what I was talking about. Because that's like, not English is not our jam. English is even a little bit of a struggle for us. So the Monceau Model 1 revives a historic Swiss name. So this is a revival of a... of the brand Monceau that went away. And I should have looked up and, and remember the, the year that it went away.
Everett Oh, seventies.
Andrew Of course, crisis. Yeah.
Everett I mean, it's a fair assumption. They don't really, it's pretty vague. So it's, it's a little vague when they went out of business, what was happening, but it's, there are courts crisis victim for sure. At least if not directly, then indirectly.
Andrew So we have a 39 millimeter, 10-2 high, 8-4 without the crystal, right? So that's going to get you excited. Integrated steel sports watch. 200 meters of water resistance. Sellita SW210 movement. Under $1,000. Early word Kickstarter. So at $1,150 on regular pricing Kickstarter. I have some bones to pick with Kickstarter brands, but this design is good. This is a, it's an integrated steel sports watch. But they really did it right. The angles are right. The beveling of the case right up against the bezel and really cleanly integrated into the bracelet is fantastic. Crown size is really good. This really lovely water swept like riverbed sand texture dial. Three great colors. One not so great color. We have a really good black. a really good gray, a nice icy white that is broken up by the like wave tops of this textured dial, really great blue loom, and then a red. It's a bright red. It's a bright red.
Everett Some of the marketing materials had pictures of a strawberry and I thought, oh, okay. No, no. It's redder than that.
Andrew You remember the AIDS campaigns in the early 2000s that had the parentheses red? Okay, sure. It's like that kind of red. And I think that one's a miss, but the other three colors are money. This kind of smoky gray, it almost looks like... Oh, shit. What's that metallic material inside an Etch-A-Sketch? I don't know, but I know what you're talking about. It's like in riverbeds. It's this metallic material. It's like this great, like this really great gray, blue accents on your minute track, blue text for the water resistance. The Monso logo is, it leaves a little bit to be desired, but I think a lot of logos do that. It's just a really interesting, like not interesting. It's a really well executed, integrated sports watch. Yeah. Good colors, good specs. Yeah. And available on Kickstarter. And if you're wanting to like see the next thing this brand's going to do, the only way to do that is to. check out Kickstarter and get this. I mean, this is a watch that I would wear without, without any hesitation.
Everett So a couple of things, this is a Welsh, this is a Welsh brand. I don't know if Monceau was Welsh, but this sounds French, a Welsh company. Now at the very least the revival is, um, it is manual. So Monceau's watches in the past in history were primarily manual wound. And so this is a manual wound watch. Um, The Salida SW210 is a manual wind version of the Salida 200. I would say the case here is going to leave something to be desired for a lot of people. It is not truly integrated, but it's got the appearance of an integrated steel sports watch. It's sort of phonigrated.
Andrew Oh, that's a term we're going to coin. That's trademarked. You can't say it.
Everett Phonigrated. It's absolutely integrated. No, no. It's got regular old lugs. It's got regular old lugs, Andrew. Oh, it's the end link that's the faux integration. It is, but very thin, of course, because of, in part, and so, right, you can put a strap on it. I think this is great. I think the dial gives me Christopher Ward Dune vibes because it's a Christopher Ward Dune dial. Yes. I think it's a beautiful watch. I think it's really cool. I think they've got some obstacles to overcome. One, one of those obstacles is it's a $90,000 Kickstarter. They do have 13 days to go and they've gotten $54,000 of the required pledge. So they're about 35 short with two weeks to go. So maybe they get there. I think this is a really interesting debut offering. I think that there is some... I think if this didn't have a historically relevant watch name, and most people haven't even heard of Monzo, but if they didn't have a historically relevant watch name... this might not be getting as much traction, which would be too bad.
Andrew It might even do better.
Everett It is a really, I don't think so. I think you're wrong about that. But I think it's a really interesting watch. I don't know that there's enough that's obviously differentiating this from other options.
Andrew Yeah, I think there are perhaps other better options out there.
Everett But the price, not at this price? Under $1,000? Mm-hmm. Price is terrific. This is a good watch. This is cool. I'd wear one. I like it. I'm interested.
Andrew Yeah, I'd fuck with that gray dial.
Everett And not just like, oh, this is a Michael Brown. I'm actually like, oh, I would wear this. I would buy this. I might actually buy this, Andrew. I'm actually kind of on the fence here because I just, I don't know. This is cool.
Andrew It scratches an itch for me.
Everett I'm genuinely on the fence in a way that I'm often not. Okay, last watch. The brand that you may have heard of or maybe haven't heard of called Anerdane. They're a Glasgow-based watch band and they make really cool watches.
Andrew They...
Everett Their Model 2 has historically come with an enamel dial, vitreous enamel dial, which many, many, many folks have waxed poetic about how cool. Porcelain. Porcelain dials. Okay, I'm not going to claim to be an expert on the nuance of enamel, porcelain, blah, blah, blah. I know a lot about porcelain. Everything I've learned about these materials... 90% of what I've learned about these materials, maybe 95, has been in reading about anodyne. So no claim to be an expert. But what these are is a traditional artisanal porcelain. So what they do is they take a, I believe it's a copper dial. They're pressed copper dials. And then over the course of many, many days with fire kilning, using traditional techniques, they lock these things down. This is a black dial. And these black dials are not perfect. They are imperfect.
Andrew Because you can't get it perfect.
Everett In a perfect way. They're specked and speckled and absolutely stunning.
Andrew Right? Is that fair to say? The dial work that Ann Ordain does is unlike, I think, anyone else in the industry.
Everett So these are loomed, they're hand-loomed and pan-printed, pad-printed on top of porcelain, and it's fucking gorgeous.
Andrew Gold-plated handset. Yes. And, you know, here's the real win. So we read spec sheets like this all the time. We read about artisanal craftsmanship like this all the time. And then we come to a dollar amount of 18,000 Great British Pounds. You'll never see one of these in the wild.
Everett Why do you think that? Why do you think that?
Andrew Oh, oh, yeah. No, you know, I got it.
Everett Yeah, yeah, I got it. These are 2,200 bucks. Yep. Six-month wait time on these? I am going to say something, Andrew. I'm not wild about the Model 2 case. It's a little bit boring, but you know what? I really like the crowd guards, but I don't like the sort of the bezel-to-case transition.
Andrew And it's got kind of short lugs. It's a little soft. It's a little bit awkward. It's a little bit like... 1930s, 1940s, but not quite. Just kind of soft.
Everett It looks kind of cheap to me for what you're getting. It's not cheap and I'm not suggesting it is, but the softness.
Andrew Maybe that's it. Or like maybe your homie did this in his CNC machine at home. Right. But the precision is there. The finishing is there. Unlike your homie who just got a CNC machine and made a watch case. This isn't the Tuesday project at Vero where they're like, hey, let's just see what happens when we plug this into the CNC. This is very much not that.
Everett I do agree in that it does have that kind of feel because it's not... Or even worse, Andrew, this looks to me like a case that someone refinished at home. That's not totally fair, but I do get that vibe a little bit.
Andrew But it also evokes the, this is the watch that your dad stored in his butthole in a POW camp in Vietnam. It has that, this is my watch. This is the one watch that I own. It's the one watch that I'll ever own. It's because the army gave it to me, and that's why I have a watch. Kind of really simple, utilitarian. There's no frills to it until you get to the porcelain dial. Uh, it, it just, it has, that's what it, what it, it evokes for me. Yeah.
Everett Is that fair? My criticism is just, it was just meant to stand alone. Cause I love it. I love this watch. I think it's terrific. I think it's awesome. I, the case for me leaves a little something to be desired, but the dial. There's nothing like this.
Andrew And I totally see why. It has a different... It resonates really differently with me. Those kind of muted, boring lines. Like bordering on kind of lazy.
Everett It has a... You at home can take a look and make your own decisions. I'm not going to argue my point. It resonates differently with me. So what this is, it's a Model 2. So... what that means is a 39 and a half millimeter diameter by 11 millimeter height. Um, LJP G one Oh one automatic movement, which is a good, if not boring movement, 20 millimeter lug width. Um, I do understand that they're making, um, so six month wait on these, if you order them, um, I do understand that at some point in 2025, they're going to release this in the 36 millimeter as well.
Andrew I think I would prefer the 36. Me too. Yep.
Everett Yep. I think if I were to get this, I would wait for the 36. But really cool watch. Andrew, I think we're done with watches unless there's anything else.
Andrew I'm out of things.
Everett Other things. What do you got?
Andrew So. One of the things I mentioned earlier that my other thing was going to be something that made my camping trip this weekend that much more enjoyable. Ahead of us going camping, we got four walkie-talkies. Oh, I should send you the link. From a company called Midland. And we got... four Midland T 51 X talkers. The, the name on them is T five, one VP three. They're 50 bucks for a pair. So we paid a hundred bucks to have four of them. Uh, they have a lot of functionality. That's not, um, that wasn't necessary for us. Um, but they had, they have 22 channels, 38 privacy codes, um, a weather alert radio, call alert, and what really sold us on it was their range claim. And this is a handheld radio set that you find at REI or at Bass Pro Shop. This isn't an extraordinary radio setup, but it's a radio setup that is at least respected enough to be carried by actual outdoor pursuit companies. And man, It was a game changer. They come with rechargeable batteries, a charging dock. They all have a pocket clip. And the peace of mind of being able to just sit at my campfire with my wife and have my 10-year-old and my 5-year-old loose was fantastic. It was a little annoying how much the five-year-old wanted to play with it. We were getting updates like, I'm running through the bush. Okay, cool. Don't call me for that. But it was so great to be out of earshot and certainly out of eyesight and be able to be like, hey, what's up? Oh, we're good. We're doing this. Sweet. Does anybody hurt? Nope. Cool.
Everett How far away are they when you're having these conversations?
Andrew We were all inside of... a half a mile everywhere. And this particular model is like, oh, you can get up to three miles in ideal circumstances, about a mile in ideal circumstances being like the dunes, less than ideal being like the woods. You can get like a mile. And then in urban environments, I think it was like a quarter mile. but we're not using it in an urban environment. We're using it in like a fairly flat wooded area. We never had like latency. We never didn't have communication if they were on, uh, the batteries lasted two days, like just on all day and being used way too much by the kids. Um, they were fantastic. This is like a camping game changer for, for people with kids old enough that they need to be able to exert some independence, but they're not quite ready to just be loose.
Everett Yeah, you know, I was thinking about this recently, but in the context of perhaps skiing or whatever, I think that in 2025 incorporating walkie-talkies into anything would require a little bit of logistical... like thinking like how how does this practically useful but i think like many things once you started using it you'd be like oh this is great for whatever reason but skiing would be perfect application i have thought especially with your your kids the ages that they are that's right i've thought about like like things what like i don't necessarily want to be on cell phones or whatever but i i do occasionally need to talk to people right like skiing is tough because I go with a couple of guys to big resorts often, and perhaps cell phones don't work all that well on the mountain or whatever, and it's just like, oh, you know what? I took that wrong turn, and so now I'm at a junction, and I don't really know where these guys are, and maybe I can pull up the map and kind of figure out, but it would be so nice to just be like, hey, guys, sorry. I missed the... taco vore express uh turn and so now i'm at uh you know chinchilla lift and i'm gonna meet you guys back down there and i'll be like yep roger got that scene in 10 minutes um yeah and i think that's interesting mountain application would be perfect because you're not and these are cheap right there were 50 50 bucks for a pair yeah which is way cheaper than a rocky talkie or whatever which i think those are like over a hundred.
Andrew Yeah. And I've, I've used, um, I've used them elk hunting with the guys that I hunt with and you can't use them for like, Oregon has some interesting laws about like radio communication while hunting. Oh, sure. You can't use them like in the interest of, of hunting further in your, further in your pursuit. But you can certainly be like, Hey, I'm, I'm set up over here. Like I'm, I'm actually going to let this cook for a little while. I have some action or like, Hey, I have a bull down. Um, Here's my GPS coordinate. Help. Sam was the driving force behind getting them, and it was fantastic. Absolutely fantastic. I will never camp without them again.
Everett That's a great idea. That's a good call. I might have to pick some stuff up. And they're super lightweight. And camping is the obvious application or perhaps packing or whatever. But I'm just thinking like, oh, we're at the fair. Obviously, you're going to get less range. But if it's a quarter mile range, you'll cover the whole fair. By and large, right? So, yeah, that's an interesting other thing, Andrew. Actually, an interesting. Mine is less interesting.
Andrew As per usual?
Everett As per the usual. It's bourbon again.
Andrew Oh, look at you.
Everett So I went to the, I went to the booze store this week on delivery day as I tend to do. And I saw a thing that's not particularly special. Actually, it wasn't on the shelf. It was in the back as they were unloading, and we've got a good relationship with the booze guy. Both of us do at this point. And I said, hey, Jesse, anything interesting? And he's like, yeah, let me show you what I got. And so he pulled out. He said, you know, I've only got a couple bottles. Most of these are going to bars, but I do have a couple. that I can sell if you're interested. I don't know if you're interested or not. He handed me a bottle that I've seen before in pictures. It's not a particularly special bottle because of the brand. What it is is 1792 foolproof. and 1792 makes their small batch if you go to a liquor store today right now you will 100 find 1792 small batch on the shelf it's just one of the most widely available bourbons and it's a good bourbon it is a good entry-level bourbon i think they come in at like 35 or 40 bucks something like that um it's not special it's not high proof it's there's nothing particularly notable about it for another thing but if it's a bourbon that you bought you would probably be happy with it if you were looking for a good cheap index but not cheap but inexpensive decent bourbon 1792 is a player i don't care about it because i'm not buying daily driver bourbons i just don't do that
Andrew Some of them are daily. They ought to be daily drivers. You shouldn't pay that much for a daily driver.
Everett I just don't care. I'm like, I don't want that. I want things that are different than that because I have like 8,000 bottles of daily driver bourbons on my shelf that I don't drink because they're not special enough. Anyway, that's my point. I don't care about 1792 small batch, but I've never... Seen 1792 foolproof on the shelf. It's somewhat allocated. They don't make a ton of it. When they do get it in the stores here, at least, they quickly sell out. You just can't find it. And so I said, you know, I'm not super interested in this, but I've never seen it before, so I'm going to get it just so I can have it in my collection. 52 bucks, which is... Not bad. Very reasonable for an allocated bourbon. Got it home, cracked it, poured a glass, and was astonished, Andrew.
Unknown Okay.
Everett I was astonished. It is really big. So it reminds me a little bit of... It reminds me a little bit of Elijah Craig Barrel Proof, although each Elijah Craig Barrel Proof is slightly different. It reminds me a little bit of Old Forrester 1920, which those are two bourbons that are known for being big, punchy, in your face, high alcohol, high flavor, really like... Bourbon.
Andrew Yeah, I think that's a good description of all of them.
Everett This is like that, but at $52, it's cheaper, and I like it better than most of the ECBP releases that I've tried. There's, I think, some notable Elijah Craig barrel-proof releases that I've not gotten my hands on that are supposedly really good, but the ones I have, I have two different versions, and they're okay. They're really good. It reminds me a little bit of like maybe a Booker's release or something. It is crazy good. It's crazy good. So that's my other thing for the week is 1792 foolproof. I almost didn't get it because I was like, meh. I've never seen it, but also I don't really care and I don't expect to like it. I've never had anything else at 52 bucks that I like more.
Andrew Well, I'm coming over after this.
Everett You can come over and have a dram.
Andrew I'm going to.
Everett It's terrific. I did break a Glencairn this week in almost exactly the way that I almost broke a Glencairn the other day when you were at my house.
Andrew Oh, you were washing it and drying it and just didn't have a grip on either side?
Everett Yep. I flicked the water out of a Glencairn and broke it. Andrew, anything else you want to add before we get going?
Andrew You know, I'm in a hurry to go try this foolproof.
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