Episode 35 - Vintage Watches
Published on Thu, 27 Jun 2019 00:27:00 -0700
Synopsis
The podcast discusses vintage watches that are affordable for collectors. They define a vintage watch as one that is no longer readily available new or in excellent condition, requiring a search to find good examples. Some reasons given for collecting vintage watches include the "cool factor" of unique or historically significant models, owning originals before reissues come out, filling gaps in a collection, and being able to own the original and reissue side-by-side. They discuss specific vintage watch models like the Seiko King Seiko, Seiko Pogue, and Tag Heuer 2000 series as potential affordable options.
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| Andrew | Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. This is the 1420 podcast with your host Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. |
| Everett | Everett, how are you? I'm doing really well. It's been a productive weekend. Actually, I mean, it hasn't been that productive. It's just been, it's just been full. It's been a full weekend. You texted me that you folded Mount Laundry. I did fold Mount Laundry, all of it. Yeah. |
| Andrew | And I actually didn't even check to verify that. So I, I cannot, |
| Everett | say with any kind of confidence that you did in fact do it and it wasn't just kim there are 10 socks and and two full sets of kids clothes in the dirty clothes and besides that everything in my house is clean and put away there's not a better feeling yeah in adulthood than the only dirty laundry in your home being on your back right well and you know the kids ruin that fast fast so fast |
| Andrew | I don't, I like routinely wonder while I'm folding laundry when he goes through all these clothes. Like for me a week of laundry looks like maybe four pairs of underwear, probably three, definitely five pairs of socks, and maybe two t-shirts? Like on top of work clothes because work clothes are a whole world in and of themselves. He might go through 20 pairs of socks. Yeah, how do they do that? I don't know. Like, does he just take them out of his drawer and somehow funk them? Because, like, I look at them before they go in, like, these are clearly dirty. So does he just, like, funk them out of the drawer and put them right into the dirty laundry? |
| Everett | You know, I think that there's a lack of appreciation of what goes into the laundry. And so I know, at least with regards to my children, in particular the female type, that There's a lot of clothes that get put on for brief periods of time and then deposited into the dirty clothes. And when I mean brief periods of time, I don't mean anything even resembling a stage of the day, like an hour and then off and into the dirty clothes. |
| Andrew | Nonsense. |
| Everett | The worst, man. Other than that, my weekend was good. I went to a Timbers game yesterday, which is our Local or semi-local, you know, they're in Portland Major League Soccer team and they're fantastic. They're fun to watch. Was it free Jersey night? It was not free Jersey night. No, this is my it. This is my pride week pregame Jersey. Okay that I picked up there at the at the old Soccer park. It's not PG anymore. What is it? It's not PG. It is Providence. Ah Providence Park And they just finished construction. So they have a brand new sort of three-tier seat. This is the first game at the new facility. I haven't been there in probably 20 years. Yeah. You know, my high school football team played their basketball games there. Yeah. |
| Andrew | That's how good your football team was. |
| Everett | So they played their football games there, which was always fun. So we were always there on Friday nights. And I was actually telling the fellow I went to the game with that we used to You know, Portland has changed so much in the last 20 years, but we used to park our cars on the roof of the Fred Meyer right across the street from PGE or Civic Stadium at the time. And then we would sneak in, there was these arched entryways, you know, it used to be a baseball field. And we would go, if you went to the third to the last one, there was a gap. There was about a two foot gap, a 24 inch gap between the top of the fence and the arch and we would just climb over there's never any nobody cares right if they caught us they would have kicked us out and that would have been it they'd have been like just go through the gate like that's dangerous but it was like four bucks you know you had to pay to get in so yeah we would sneak in and uh all that stuff is still there that that that facade is still there on the front of the building there's no i did note that there is no longer a gap |
| Andrew | No, because of people like you. |
| Everett | Well, and they charge a lot of money for tickets now, which they did not back then. |
| Andrew | No, because then it used to be the Portland Rockies. That was the highlight of what occurred at that field. |
| Everett | Well, the Timbers were there at the time. |
| Andrew | No, I remember when the Timbers came. Because previous to that, it was just the Beavers, the Portland Beavers. And the Portland Rockies. |
| Everett | Well, the Timbers have been around since the 70s. I mean, there's been gaps of time when, I think since the late 60s, actually, there have been gaps of time when they haven't been there. |
| Andrew | But I have a vivid memory of like late 90s when the Timbers came back because a soccer coach of mine at the time, they were rebuilding the team and he left the club I was playing for to go play for the Timbers. |
| Everett | Well, late 90s is the time I was talking about. So we're on the same page. I'm glad we agree now. Yeah. Yeah, Beavers and Rockies and Portland, Portland State Vikings. We, you know, I was there all the time. Um, and, and yeah, but, but I think the most money I ever paid to get in was a scrape, you know, five bucks or six bucks or whatever, you know, and now. I wouldn't even get you a beer. That's right. No, it literally will not get you a beer. Yeah, that's right. Tragedy. Yeah, but that was good. I, uh, I ran some this weekend and what else? Anything else? I watched, I watched some TV. I folded, I folded Mount Laundry. Well done. How about you, Andrew? |
| Andrew | How are you? Well, I had thus far a pretty unproductive weekend save for, uh, today, Sam came home at about noon and said she was having a craving for some ribs. Oh girl. Uh, and noon is pretty late in the day to get started on ribs. So I raced to the store. I started the fire in my grill. And then ran to the store, picked up the ribs, returned to the house and the coal was ready to go. So I poured it down into the firebox, got the wood going, got a dry rub on the ribs, threw them on, made some barbecue sauce, started mopping them. Uh, so I've never, I've never done ribs in such a condensed time period before. Yeah. And they turned out pretty okay, but in my haste to get them on the grill, I forgot to pull the, the silver skin membrane off the bottom of them. Oh, sure. So that was a little bit disappointing. Uh, and the barbecue sauce I made was delicious, but a little spicy, a little too spicy. It was, um, I mean, not for me, it was, it was perfect barbecue sauce for me, but for the wife and kid, it was a little bit, it was outside of his tolerance range and right on the cusp of hers. And I, I can't figure out where it occurred. |
| Everett | Um, like what part of your recipe? |
| Andrew | Yeah, I don't know. where it happened because I got all the garlic and onion just caramelizing and sweetening and then I added the tomato paste and some vinegar and I used some Chili Peque, P-I-Q-U-E, and it's a Puerto Rican condiment that I got or that I found in a hot sauce book and it's basically just vinegar in a jar loaded up with chilies. So, I've got some habaneros and jalapenos in there. |
| Everett | It's not terribly spicy. |
| Andrew | No, I brought you some and I think maybe what happened is in that vinegar solution, when the liquid started to cook off, it kept all the spice. |
| Everett | Oh, perhaps. |
| Andrew | Because as I tasted it, as I was going, I was like, okay, this is good, it's a little bit warm, that's just what I want. And then the finished product, I was like, phew, I'm good. |
| Everett | Yeah, that might be what happened. It just, it just... Yeah. Reduced all your all your spice down onto your ribs. |
| Andrew | It's good though. So I have a full sriracha bottle one of the big ones you know the grown-up sriracha bottles filled with that barbecue sauce for all kinds of usages and some ribs left over that turned out good save for the That membrane issue which I was a little bit bummed about and I realized it too late They've been on for about a half an hour and I was like You idiot Yeah, too late to get it off then |
| Everett | Although does it come off easier after you started cooking? |
| Andrew | Uh, you know, I don't know. I've never, I've never tried. And you just stayed, it's too late. I just, I remain committed. Uh, and it's okay. Ribs are, ribs are meant to be eaten with the whole hand. Um, right. So they turned out, I mean, they tasted great. Uh, especially for a last minute decision. Did some homemade jalapeno poppers also, which is so good. And some corn on the cob. |
| Everett | That's, that's a dinner right there. That is a dinner. Yeah. Yeah. It is a dinner. |
| Andrew | So that's the crowning achievement of my weekend. |
| Everett | Fantastic. |
| Andrew | And I made it here. |
| Everett | And here you are. Look at me. |
| Andrew | I'm trying to think. I feel like I did something yesterday, but clearly. Oh no. Kid was sick yesterday, so we didn't do anything. It was weird. It was like one of those like 18 hour fevers that came out of nowhere, caused only mild discomfort, and then it was gone. So he's good now. |
| Everett | Any interesting beers or anything fun this weekend besides just ribs? |
| Andrew | I remember what I did yesterday. I went to a friend's birthday party at a barcade. And for those of you who are not familiar, they are bars and arcades mushed into one place. So we went to Level Up here in town. I'd never been before, at least to this one. And it was terrific. They have like a hundred feet of both classic and new pinball machines, and I am a sucker for pinball. Now what I will say is... Do you have a favorite game? |
| Everett | I'm partial to Ghostbusters. That's a good one. |
| Andrew | That's a newish game. And there's one that's at TrackTown, and I've only ever seen it at TrackTown, and I don't remember what it is, but we used to play that two times a week. Because we'd go for their lunch buffet and play the shit out of it. We'd bring a pocket full of quarters and play pinball. But what I didn't like about this barcade, half the games have a broken button. And that broken button is critical to your success. The pinball games? No, no, no, not the pinball, but their other arcade games. |
| Everett | I was going to say, I think I've played every pinball game in that place. |
| Andrew | Like Dig Dug, the pump button was broken. On the Terminator first-person shooter. The second gun was broken What other game did I play that had a broke? Oh the one of the basketball games had only three balls and It wouldn't release them garbage trash trash. |
| Everett | You know, I think that they really only care about their Their pinball games there that I think the rest of that place is pretty neglected. Yeah, it sounds like it is. Yeah I've only ever played pinball. I've never touched another game in that place. |
| Andrew | I like classic arcade games. Um, but yeah, I mean, they have a great selection of pinball games. Play the, uh, it wasn't, it wasn't, yeah, it was a Play the Kiss game. |
| Everett | Medieval Madness is for sure 100% my favorite pinball game. I've probably spent 50 bucks on Medieval Madness at that place. Wow. In the last couple of months. Why don't we go there together? Well, I don't know, because you're always doing stuff. You're just... |
| Andrew | I'm at my house drinking beer alone when you're out playing pinball, so thanks for that. |
| Everett | Next time, next time. You know, it was easier when I worked downtown because I could just walk up at lunch and play some pinball. Have a tall boy at PBR and play some pinball. Well, I mean, that's not the, it wouldn't be the first time that's happened. I have a position where I can work when I'm on, where I can drink when I'm on the clock. I used to. Yeah. |
| Andrew | That's true. We used to play VP though. What's that? Video poker. |
| Everett | Oh, video poker. That's right. That's right. You can't do any of those things now on the clock. You could play pinball, perhaps. I wouldn't. It's probably a bad look. Yeah. It's probably a bad look. All right. So we're talking about watches today. Sometimes. |
| Andrew | And I think a topic that's new to me, for the most part, it's not really been something on my radar. And I think that's going to show through in what I have to talk about today, at least for my piece of it. And we're talking vintage watches today. |
| Everett | Vintage watches. Vintage watches for the affordable collector. |
| Andrew | Yeah. And vintage watches have always been a bit of a mystery to me. And I think you actually hit the nail right on the head as to why they're a mystery to me. When we were talking about occasion watches, when you said a vintage watch is a lot like a marriage. You got to take care of it. You got to pour all this energy into it. Uh, and I'm, I think that's been my, uh, apprehensiveness apprehension apprehension about vintage watches. I want to get a watch and take care of it and wear it and wind it. Maybe change the battery and love it and I'll get and pet it and pet it and not have to worry about, wait, why is it doing that? Wait, what the fuck is happening? It just stopped. right there's some there's some concern associated with antiquated technology at this point with the leaps and bounds that have occurred in watch technology since what what i'm willing to call vintage watches which when when does a vintage watch start when is it no longer just an old watch in a vintage watch you think like 80s so that's where we should start is let's let's us us two arbitrarily be the Definitors, the arbitrary arbiters. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of what is a vintage watch? How do we, how do we define that? Because there, there is a difference between an old watch and a vintage watch. And what I want to do right now is hammer out when is it no longer old and when is it truly a vintage watch? |
| Everett | Well, I'll tell you for me, I mean, at least one of my choices is newer than the eighties significantly. Uh, so I don't, I don't think that Age is the only measure, right? And I know with cars, right, to be an antique or vintage car is sort of different from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, you know, depending on what state, you know, sometimes it's 25, sometimes it's 35. And so that's legislators putting a number on a thing. |
| Andrew | Because they just assume there's not enough of them running on the road that they don't have to go to DEQ anymore. |
| Everett | Well, I think there's maybe some sort of actuarial intent there, right? But, you know, with watches, we don't have those concerns, so we don't have to think about it in those terms. You know, there's an idea that something is vintage when it's no longer easy to get new or readily available in new or excellent condition. And I think for me, that's how I define it, is, you know, I can't get this watch Brand new, certainly. And I probably can't get it readily available new old stock, you know, like the SKX out of production, but you can still buy them new on Amazon. So, so certainly you could probably buy them new to Macy's perhaps. Yeah, that's right. So it's still in stock at retailers. Um, that's certainly not a vintage watch. And in a number of years, it's going to dry up and you're no longer going to be able to buy it at Macy's or, or on Amazon. but it's still going to be readily available in new old stock condition at many places. |
| Andrew | What about the OGs, like the original runs of SKX? Would those fall into a vintage category for you? |
| Everett | You know, I don't think it does. And maybe that's wrong, but I think that there's a limitation there. If you can still get the same thing in new or new old stock condition, then I think that just because you're an earlier iteration, You're disqualified. |
| Andrew | So it's just an old watch at that point because what they started in 97. |
| Everett | I think that's right. Yeah. 96 or 97. Yeah. Um, so, so I think that there's this idea for me that it has to be something that I can't get new and, and furthermore, if I can find a new or excellent or perfect condition version of that thing, it's a find it's a real, a real fine, you know, Hey, there's this I'm on, I'm on Craigslist right now. And this guy is selling a, a new old stock condition Pogue for 700 bucks. We should buy that. You know, that is a vintage watch because it's a, it's a, you know, you find that and it's a gem. I think for me, that's what it is. |
| Andrew | I'll accept that. I can, I can, I can dig that as the definition for vintage. Not only can you not buy it new, but the, Uh, the inventory is such that to find a good condition is a search. You got to truly go on the hunt for it. Right. Okay. I'll accept that as a definition. Okay. No, no further argument. No, no argument. I can get behind that because all that makes sense. That's that to me differentiates an old watch against a vintage watch. And I think sets the stage for how do we have a conversation? about vintage watches because now we know what a vintage watch is at least i mean i knew we all we could all pick out a vintage watch but i think with a kind of arbitrary definition of inventory i mean truly available inventory being the differentiation between old and vintage i'm down with it cool yeah so now that we've defined vintage watches i'm going to stand by my concern with with vintage watches and i think there's i think there's reasons to get into vintage watches. And I think we've, we've kind of covered them a little bit. Um, but I have a list of reasons why I think a vintage watch makes sense. And number one is the cool factor. There are some really, really cool watches out there that just aren't in production anymore. Uh, I think if you, if you look at the Ripley watch, if you look at, uh, some of the heart rate monitors that are out there, those are things you just can't get on the new market. You're going to have to hunt for them. You're going to have to like really hunt for them to find good condition. And that's the kind of vintage watch that I could see myself going down the vintage watch rabbit hole in. And I call it that really deliberately because I don't think I'm the type of person to have just one. I think I'm the type of person to have, uh, I don't know, a dozen of them. Because I think that would, that'd get me started on, on the pursuit. Cause that's something that you and I both really enjoy is the pursuit. And I think vintage watches would be especially dangerous for that because we could pinpoint a watch, which is a hunt in and of itself. And then the hunt begins for the watch. |
| Everett | You know, I don't see myself being the guy that fills a watch box with every iteration of a G10 or W10 or whatever. I don't, I don't see myself being that guy, you know, this is, this is every single dial variation. It's just not, it's just not how I have approached the hobby and I, and I don't see that changing. But I, but I do understand, I do understand that, that tick where it's like, Oh gosh, this could be a rabbit hole for me. |
| Andrew | Next up is the, the, some watches that are no longer in production. And that circles back to some of those cool factor watches that I talked about. Watches that you can't just go on Amazon and buy. I can get behind, A vintage watch makes sense for that. A watch that you really connect with. I think the Seiko Pogue is a good example. Before a reissue comes out, if a reissue ever does come out, I can get behind that. A watch that you dig. In five years, the SKX might be that for a lot of people. That went from the, probably the most popular first watch for people getting into Uh, watch wearing as a hobby and thoughtful watch purchasing. Like that's the number one. Yeah. And in five, seven years, people aren't going to be able to do that. So that's going to be a watch that people are still going to connect with, but they can't get. So cover two reasons. Number three reason for me to be able to, to get on board with a vintage watch is it's part of a true collection. where I'm trying to fill a void within that collection of something that only exists in the vintage space. Take your pick. For the million reasons that people collect watches or actually amass a collection of watches, whether it be a military watch or a specific iteration, I think the J iterations of the SKX will become one of those sought-after pieces for folks who collect SKXs, and they are already out there, people who are collecting |
| Everett | SKX's right, but and as it gets vintage that'll be more and more important Yeah, as the SKX becomes a vintage piece, that'll be a more important designation. |
| Andrew | Yeah, and then maybe modestly so last up and the most likely reason for me to start gathering up vintage watches is To own the og and the reissue. Oh interesting. I I think that would be awesome. In my mind, it's like a vertical tasting of a barrel aged beer or a beer that you age. Like if you were open three, four years worth of Bourbon County Stout and taste them all side by side, having the OG and the reissue side by side would be so cool. |
| Everett | I would love that. You know, I don't know that that appeals to me. I can see the appeal, but it isn't the way Uh, it isn't the way I've approached it in the past and I can't see myself. I just can't see myself going that direction. Uh, so it's interesting. That's interesting that that's, uh, a highlight for you. |
| Andrew | Oh, that would be, that would, that could be my first vintage watch purchase. When a, a reissue comes out that I really dig, go to find the, uh, the OG. |
| Everett | I like it. That's cool. You know, I've got some reasons and I think some of them, some of them Dovetail with yours. And at least in one way, I think it's a totally different consideration, but one of those obviously cool factor, right? It has to be, yeah. The Speedmaster Pro, the Moonwatch as it were, is this tremendously popular watch, you know, perhaps one of the most, you know, one of the two or three most popular watches that exist. |
| Andrew | And recognizable. |
| Everett | That's right. You know, and so people are, are very concerned about getting a specific movement or a specific model year or whatever of that watch. And there's so many different opinions about just that in and of itself. But the Speedmaster Pro is not particularly rare in terms of aesthetics, in terms of function. You're wearing a Seiko SSB031 tonight. Which is a very cool watch. You and I both dig it. We've talked about it a hundred times on the show. And we'll continue to. Because it's so cool, right? But it is for all intents and purposes, exactly the same as a Speedmaster Pro in terms of function. Um, it does very similar things, you know, I say exactly the same, that's hyperbole, but it's a very similarly function watch. It's the same size. It is a similar looking watch. um you know there's so many similarities you do not need to do anything special in terms of hunting to find a watch that does that does all of the same things a Speedmaster Pro means and I don't know I don't just mean a chronograph function I mean the way it wears the way it looks the way it feels the practical use of it so there's something to be said for the cool factor which that was your category so I can I mean that's crossover I think that's a category that |
| Andrew | That's why anyone buys any watch. |
| Everett | So I can buy into that one. So that's one. I think the second reason for me is more of a pragmatic concern, which is, and you'll see this in both of my choices tonight, but vintage watches are different physically than modern watches. |
| Andrew | Because they're old. |
| Everett | Because, well, size-wise, they're different, right? So both of my choices tonight are sub 38 millimeter watches. And I have gravitated, as I've gotten more familiar with what I like and what I want, I've gravitated towards smaller watches. Well, you can't find 36 and 37 millimeter watches today, right? |
| Andrew | I mean... Outside of a dress watch category? No, you can't. |
| Everett | And even in dress watches. That's one of the things that we harped on in our dress watch episode, both times we published it, was that... Is that, you know, you can't find a 37 millimeter watch. So there's a pragmatic thing happening there. And for me, every time I've become interested in a vintage watch, it's been one of those two things. One, this is just cool. This is a cool, historically significant watch. Or two, it's a watch that physically doesn't exist in a practical sense today. And that's, for me, just as important. But those two categories don't really intersect. They're distinct. The third reason, and I'll say this is kind of the same as your third reason, but a little bit different. I think that there's something cool about the idea of vintage watches in and of itself. So I've got a diver. I've got a driving watch. I've got a dress watch. I've got a chronograph. I've got all these watches that fill every category, you know, weekend watch or whatever. And I've also got a vintage watch. It's a category in and of itself. Um, and, and obviously it's an, and it's incredibly diverse category. That's a lot harder to pin down, but something about a vintage watch in and of itself is cool. |
| Andrew | I mean, we talked about it in skin divers. Well, yeah, that's where you're going to find it for the most part, affordable skin divers. Uh, barring modern dress divers. |
| Everett | And I would attribute that more to my second category than my third, but I guess there's some significance both there. |
| Andrew | So one thing I didn't think about was the historic significance. I mean, there's, there are certainly vintage watches out there that I, I'm interested in purely because of their historical significance. And first one that comes to mind is the, uh, is the, uh, space view from Bolivar, the first tuning fork movement that Was not even meant to go into production and then did so well in just demos showing the movement that it became a watch I think that segues well with the cool factor, right? Yeah, I mean it's it's those are similar ideas and I think for watch people a lot of the cool factor is the historical significance the technological advancements the the the revolutionary Design or functionality that comes along with a new release. Oh Historical significance may be cool factor |
| Everett | Well, to the extent anyone's still listening, this is about the time where they're going to start wondering if we're ever going to talk about some watches. Do you, I know you, you picked out some watches. You want to talk about your first one? |
| Andrew | First up, this is one that I will definitely talk to my wife about it when I get home. And on the Etsy post, I'm actually not going to tell you what, well, no, no, no. Because if by the time, by the time Thursday rolls around, the decision will be made. So I'll tell you the Etsy post. It's Rare Vintage Q Timex Quartz Watch 1970s for 150 money here on Etsy. Who's the seller? |
| Everett | Oh boy, I don't know. Vint Odds and Ends. |
| Andrew | Vint Odds and Ends. Vint Odds and Ends is selling a 1970s Q Timex. And I actually, before I found this watch, wrote on my paper, own the OG and the reissue. And this is, I think, the perfect foray into affordable vintage watches for me, because it's a watch. I already know it. Like it's a cool watch. And I, in the next year or so, I can also pick up the reissue and I love this cute time. I think vintage Timex is probably one of the best options for people who are looking to dip their toes into vintage watches because there are so many they're still running. And they're super affordable. Extremely affordable. If you just hit, if you hit the Google and type in vintage Timex, you're going to find 200 watches that are in reasonably good condition, a combination of quartz mechanical movements for under 200 bucks. |
| Everett | Yeah. You know, I wonder if there's going to be a run on these. It obviously, I think that the prices on these have come up, you know, maybe as much as 50%, but even if the price has come up a hundred percent, they're still in the realm of of affordable. |
| Andrew | Yeah, I mean, you're looking for, you're going to pay more than this for, for the reissue, right? You can buy this now. You can't buy the reissue now. Right. Well, you can. It's not going to be 150 money though. Yeah. Um, 500, 600 bucks. Yeah. Fuck that. I'll wait a year. Right. |
| Everett | You probably won't even need to wait that long. |
| Andrew | But, but I think if, if I'm, if I say if, as if it's not going to happen, I think my first vintage watch purchase is going to be a pretty painless dollar value vintage Timex. Because I think Timex is, and I think one of the, one of the, to me, one of the cool parts about vintage Timex is that they represent a time when Timex was, was really doing cool stuff, like as a, as a habit, as opposed to as a novelty or reissue. And I think they're, they're starting to move back towards that. Um, but you're, you get this really great American made product that is cool and still ticking and still doing its job for under 200 bucks. |
| Everett | And it's super attractive. |
| Andrew | Yeah, they all look good. |
| Everett | I love the baguette markers. This thing's so 70s. |
| Andrew | It is, and it looks so good. It's so sexy. |
| Everett | It's pretty cool. I bet the loom lasts for about three minutes. If. But that's not why you buy a vintage watch. |
| Andrew | No, you certainly don't buy a vintage watch expecting it to do all the watch things that it did when it was new. If you do that, you're You're making a bad choice, get a watch with vintage lume on it. |
| Everett | You know, I really like the idea of vintage quartz watches and I don't know enough about the durability of quartz watches, but there's something, you know, I think if you've got a watch that you can guarantee hasn't, you know, had a battery die in it and been left for a decade, that's right. If you can, if you can open up the back and see that the battery chamber is clear and that, you know, it hasn't leaked, um, I think a quartz watch is going to give you a certain amount of security in the longevity of it. Now, like anything else, quartz is eventually going to break and it's going to be harder to fix than a mechanical watch. So unless you can find a module somewhere, you might be toast when that does go, but you don't have to worry about all the various pieces in a mechanical watch that can break. You're not going to have to worry about that. You're not going to have to worry about timing. You're not going to have to worry about so many things that are a concern with a vintage mechanical piece. |
| Andrew | No, I think that's the, I think that's the attractive part of it to me is that they're going to be less expensive. And as a result, I'm more inclined to take the risk on it. |
| Everett | Yeah, for sure. You spend 200 bucks on that watch, 150 bucks on that watch, and you're going to have it and enjoy it. And it's going to be great. |
| Andrew | Yeah. And then I'm going to get the reissue and I'm going to enjoy them both. Double wrist it. |
| Everett | Cool. So my first watch is, uh, it's a Seiko. It's a Seiko. Cause we all know and love Seiko and vintage Japanese shit is cool in with a capital C. Uh, I was going to say with a capital K. With a capital K. Well, that's appropriate here. Cause this is a vintage King Seiko now. Ooh, King Seiko is, you know, if you haven't read about the, the history of the King Seiko, Grand Seiko, uh, battles. in-house at Seiko. It's a fascinating story. Rumbles, even. But essentially, they took two sides of their design house and sort of pitted them against each other. Pretty cool. But along the way, the idea of grammar of design came about. Taro Tanaka, famous Seiko design voice, comes up with this idea, the grammar of design The watch I've picked is a classic, grammar of design, King Seiko watch. And I'm not going to give you an exact model number. The one I was looking at earlier was a 5621-7020. But those numbers aren't all that important. Rather, I think that the thing that's important here, and this is for me, this is personal, is that you get a 5600 or 56XX movement. So these vintage King Seikos come in a number of different iterations. There's the 4,500 movements, the 6,100 movements, the 5,100 movements, the 5,200 movements, and the 5,600 movements. Now the 4,500 and 6,100 are the earlier iterations. They're beautiful, wonderful, high beat, 10 beats per second movements, but they're problematic. They go bad. They go bad. The 5100 and the 5200 movements, or at least the 5200, also 10 beats per second, and they're durable, but they're pretty pricey. The 5600 movement is an 8 beats per second movement. Robust, fantastic, you know, 8 beats per second is our 28 workhorses, and they're affordable today. So if you can find one of these King Seikos, with a 56 XX movement, you know, and the, the last two digits, I think refer to the complication. So whether that's chronometer grade or date, day date, um, they do have, I think the 56 21 is a, is a no day, no date complication. And they're probably the most reliable. Um, but you might want a day or you might want to date. And, and I've picked this classic grammar of design style, which, um, You know, if you want to see what that is, just look up, uh, you know, you can look up this number, 5621-7020, and you'll see this exact watch as a Warner One article that we'll link to in the show notes. But it's this fantastic style. You know, there's this idea that they didn't want any distortion on the dial. Um, you know, that the lines all flow together, just exquisite. |
| Andrew | And so classically Seiko. |
| Everett | Super I mean well it is maybe the for me. It is the classic Seiko There's actually a modern watch that came out recently the a big Thor which does a lot of these same things I really like that watch but for my money 36 or 37 millimeters these are all in that range You know you get the you get the 56 21 movement, and you don't have a day-date window |
| Andrew | holy cow this is such a wonderful uh option for a dress watch it really is it it fits that category perfectly and when you're looking at a at a vintage watch i think a dress watch is probably a safe route to go because you're not going to be getting it wet you're not going to be putting it through some turmoil that's the best way to care for that vintage watch that you've just bought right and you know these come in you know depending on the condition anywhere from about |
| Everett | $400, $350, $400 to, you know, significantly more, $1,200, $1,500. Inbox with papers. Doubtful, but maybe, maybe. There's some case differences. Some of these have monoblock designs where the case back doesn't come off. It has to be serviced through the crystal. Oftentimes they do have a removable case back and those removable case back versions have the medallions, those gold medallions that are just lovely. How thick are these? You know, I don't know. I would guess... They look 10 at max. Yeah, I would guess between 10 and 12. So certainly not thick. It's not going to be a bulky watch at all. They're really elegant. It's going to lie close to the wrist. Fantastic. I love these. And I've never found one that I just couldn't pass. And someday I will and I'll buy it. I really like these. These stick markers on this. The Kingsacle. All the branding is perfect. Perfect. I love these. Yeah. You'll find them if you look up 56KS. You'll find these on Etsy and eBay and everything else. You know, watch out for polishing. They've got some, they've got some, they've got some edges on them that you're going to want to look for. But you know, if you, You can get these things in the $200, $250 range thrashed. And that's kind of cool. And you can fix it up yourself. Yeah. Well, maybe you just leave it. Maybe you just leave it just like it is, you know, dinged up and wobby, sobbied up. That's a, you know, that's an option. And I think for some people that's, that's going to be appealing. So the nice thing about vintage watches is you, if you expand your budget enough and you take enough time, you can find probably the one. that affordable folks tend to be more into Japanese watches just for- Because they're affordable. That's right. Just for the practical reasoning. But yeah, I think for someone who wanted to spend a little money and get something neat and reliable and timeless, this is it. |
| Andrew | It's going to be- And a cool piece of history. |
| Everett | Yeah, that's right. That's right. The Seiko feud is important. You learn the story and that's going to be an important part of the watch when you talk about it. |
| Andrew | To people who care. Don't talk about it to people who don't care. |
| Everett | That's right. It'll make it worse. On the airplane to the poor, to the poor lady sitting next to you. Yeah. She'll love that. Leave her alone. Well, what about you? |
| Andrew | You've got a Seiko here too. I do. Big shock. And it, for me, is the Seiko Pogue. And this fits a bunch of the categories that, that in my mind would require, I would require to buy a, a vintage watch. And this hits them. The cool factor is there. Not only does it look fucking cool, it's been to space. Not the one that I'll buy, but, you know, an iteration of this has been to space. Number two, they're not in production. And you can't really find something that fits this exactly. There is only one Seiko Pogue. There's plenty of other chronographs out there. There's plenty of other cool-ass Seikos out there. There's plenty of other cool-ass watches out there. But this is in a world of its own and nothing filled the void for this watch when it was discontinued. |
| Everett | Are you ready for this though? Because it meets your fourth category too. Oh no. I think they're re-releasing this. Yeah, I think that it's been it's just rumors at this point, but I'm pretty sure that they're fairly substantial rumors at this point. |
| Andrew | Well, then it looks like I'll be buying two OGs and two reissues over the next couple years. That's right. Because this would be such a great watch to have a vertical of, have the OG and the reissue. You're telling me that doesn't interest you? |
| Everett | Well, I mean, it doesn't. No, I can't tell you that. Yeah. I'd want one or the other. I want both. You know, this is in the, so the Pogue is the 6139 is in that first automatic chronograph conversation. |
| Andrew | And it's still in an affordable. |
| Everett | Category I mean used you I mean like any other vintage watch you can pick these up for sub 300 or North or neighborhood of a thousand I think that this is one of those watches that you have to be extremely careful with Because these things cuz it's a sake and yeah, yeah, they get frank and all the time so This watch more than I think a lot of I think more than any of the other watches We're gonna talk about today is at high risk for for being frank and |
| Andrew | So, in this case, the more banged and fucked up it is, probably the more likely it is it's an OG. Perhaps, yeah, that's right. |
| Everett | That's right. And, you know, I think we've talked about this watch once before on the show. We've talked about it a handful of times, I think. You know, we talked about this, the prices, and I think we were kind of in disagreement with where the prices sit. I suspect you're getting pretty close to $1,000. You know, high High hundreds, you know, 7, 8 certainly for a fairly decent version of this that's mostly original. |
| Andrew | I mean, I don't think you're wrong. But I saw a couple today on the eBay, neighborhood of 300, and I saw a good handful north of 8. |
| Everett | You know, here's a question for you. If you're buying this watch to wear, not to be a collector, not to have a showpiece, not for value retention, If you're buying this watch to wear, are you personally opposed to having a watch that's frankened? |
| Andrew | I don't think so. |
| Everett | I don't know that I am either. I hadn't really thought about that, but I think that maybe I'm okay with that. If I'm buying this to wear and I can get it for 250, 300 bucks, I might put up with some franken-watching. |
| Andrew | I think I'm okay with it. I mean, it's a vintage watch and I think the frankening is is part of the story. I mean, when you're buying a vintage watch, you're not just buying that model of watch. It's very different than buying an SKX. It's different than buying an SNK. It's different than buying any others. Any of these new off the shelf, out of the box watches, you're buying a story that goes along with it. And whether or not you know that story, I don't, I think that's irrelevant. I mean, you're, you're buying something that's had a, had a life potentially longer than your own. |
| Everett | There's something to be said for a factory air-cooled Porsche, right? You know, there's something to be said for that. But, you know, if I've got a watch that walks like a duck and talks like a duck... Shit, we talked about this literally right before we hit record. |
| Andrew | When is a watch no longer that watch? Oh, yeah. At what point is that SKX... Talking about Terry from ToxicNATO... Has got a dope... watch up on Instagram for sale. |
| Everett | Supercharged. Supercharged SKX007. I think it's a Crystal Times case. So my thought was, well, that's not, that didn't even start its life as an SKX. That started as, as a Crystal Times watch, you know, case that he filled up. But yeah, no, it's a good question. When does it cease to be that watch? |
| Andrew | And I don't, I don't know the answer. Does it, does it stop when you change the movement? Does it stop when you can no longer recognize it? I mean, You, that watch is clearly a modded SKX. And I mean, is it the dial? Is that what makes the watch a watch? Because I mean, I don't know. |
| Everett | Yeah, well, maybe it's relative too, right? You know, it's this whole idea, how much for 250 bucks, if you can get a Pogue, how much are you willing to put up with? So maybe it's different for different, for a different person, but you know, maybe you're that guy who's got a, who's got a completely factory stock yellow Pogue. And now you want a completely factory stock blue Pogue. You know, maybe that becomes important to you at some point. |
| Andrew | I want that case, that dial, that bezel. I don't give a shit what's in it. I just want it to tick or run. I don't give a... I don't care. If it's a quartz, I don't care. Right. I just want that watch. |
| Everett | You know, Kaz from Two Broke Watch Snobs talks about... He's, you know, very educated when it comes to Russian watches. Super into it. and he talks about the big zero a lot you know people write him and you know basically you you can't find a stock big zero on ebay and when you do you should get that um and i i've thought about that before too like well if i've got a dial that someone painstakingly recreated to look just like the big zero maybe that's okay with me um because it's not like It's not like it's just as cool. You know, it's, it's not like it's some sort of handcrafted, you know, this was made by a Russian factory in the height of the cold war. You know, this thing is, it's a Franken watch to begin with. Right. Right. You know, which I can get it. I can get both sides. Uh, so yeah, that's interesting. I love the POG man, but just such a cool watch. Such a cool watch. I would love to find one of these in all black. I know that's not the sexy version. The sexy version is the yellow Pepsi or perhaps the blue Pepsi, but I've seen pictures of these, I think jet black before. I'd love that. |
| Andrew | I want just it. I don't care what color it is. Don't even care if it has the original movement. I just want it. You're easy. I'm super easy. You know that about me. I did know that about you. Meat and potatoes or just meat. |
| Everett | Do you want it thrashed or do you want it in good condition? |
| Andrew | I think I'm okay with either because if it's thrashed then it's going to be a vintage project. Like I'm going to get it and I'm going to restore it. |
| Everett | I kind of like the idea of one of these just beat to shit and not restoring it. Like maybe servicing the movement and just leaving it completely trashed with all that wabi-sabi on it. |
| Andrew | I think I painstakingly restore it. It just adds to the story. Sure. It's, it's my chapter in that watch's story. |
| Everett | I dig it, man. I dig it. Cool watch. What's next? What's next? So my, my second and final watch, this is a watch that I've always loved. I've always loved the Tag Heuer 2000. So this is a pre Aqua Racer. When I say Tag Heuer 2000, it's a, that, that watch has been around for ages. Isn't that what Kim has? Uh, that is what Kim has. In fact, I found one for Kim because I loved it so much and I, I saw one and I had to buy it for her as she appreciates it way less than I would. |
| Andrew | It's made it on the Instagram. |
| Everett | It has, I think a couple of times even. Um, yeah. So, so the version I like is really the late nineties version of this watch, you know, tag. Hoyer became tag Hoyer, I think in the late, late ish eighties. um mid to late 80s so so at some point these watches that were Heuer become Tag Heuer's it makes this interesting lineage at some point these things are are Tag Heuer dialed with Heuer branded bracelets you know using up the old stock but the the version I like is the the Heuer the Tag Heuer um late 90s so I think these are like the version generation three 2000s, they come in both a stainless bezel and an aluminum bezel. So a complete, you know, monoblock stainless bezel with these nubs and an aluminum, a flat aluminum bezel. I really like both of them and I go back and forth on which one I want. |
| Andrew | You know, what's interesting about that iteration is the hands are different on all of them. |
| Everett | That's right. So I think this generation three, they came out with three different versions. They had the classic, the sport and the exclusive. The classic is obviously the version that kind of maintained the 2000 aesthetic. The exclusive sort of adds some things. I think the exclusive is the version that really becomes the Aqua Racer. And the sport, that's the version that's got the aluminum bezel. It's got all 12 numerals. or at least 11 of the 12. They cut it out for the 3 o'clock. This is the version I think I like the best because it has this kind of simple, sporty, no shit aesthetic to it. These watches aren't particularly special, I don't think. You know, Tag Heuer at the time in the 90s was doing good stuff. um and and they were putting out good watches and they were on really on both sides of the of the automatic and quartz race they they were doing all the right things but they weren't doing anything super special this is kind of like tag now right tag still developing great movements but they're just not they're not doing a lot of special stuff i mean they collaborated with tom brady to do a tom brady watch which is amazing it's fantastic he's an angel sent from heaven um I do love this watch. It's a 200-meter watch. They make these both in automatic variations and quartz versions. They also have chronographs that you can pick up in the same style. For me, I think I just want a three-hander, date model, quartz, Tag Heuer 2000 from the late 90s. They're small. They're small. They're 37-ish, 37.5. Some of them are as much as 38 millimeters. Getting big. Um, so this is a diminutive watch, especially for a dive watch. You know, we, we find, we talk about a lot of watches that are 37, 38, but you don't find too many diminutive, um, diminutive dive watches. And this is for sure a sporty athletic dive watch with a, with a metal bracelet. And it's a cool metal bracelet. It's hollow in links, but the rest of the bracelets solid. Um, fantastic. They feel great. The links feel good. The machining's all quality. I just dig it, man. And I love the size. I love the idea of a 37 millimeter dive watch. Now, I can't wear Kim's because I got Kim, the ladies version. It's like 18 millimeters. It's tiny. I think it's 33. Yeah. So it's pretty small. And so it doesn't, you know, I put it on my wrist and I'm like, nope, that doesn't work. But at 37, I've worn these before and it's perfect. Perfect. I love this watch. And it's cool. it's cool. I put it on. I feel cool. I'm wearing a tag, you know, or whatever. I don't know. That's kind of silly. I know, but it's still the thing I feel. So I think it's reasonable. Yeah, this is it. I love this watch. I love this watch and you can find lots of these. You can find lots of them. They're, they're not cheap even still, but I mean 500 to 700, um it on the high side for a three-hander and you're going to be finding them in better condition than you're going to find any pogues yeah people take care of these you find these with with you find these with box and papers all the time um and i've never pulled the trigger just because it's a it's a little bit more than i would like to spend on a on a day-to-day watch but it it needs to happen for me at some point this this is probably my first vintage watch yeah yeah when i do when i do buy this is the one and and i've i've been in negotiations literally in negotiations with people about this watch three times in the last two years i could pull up the messages on my watch you seek were you offering him 50 bucks and a beer and like no but i i would want to get a deal on one so yeah i want to get a deal on one it's that kind of thing for me but i have you know that's part of the hunt i had a guy down to 500 once and i needed to go closer to four and he wasn't going to get there um you know and it was just well that's a hundred dollars more than i'm willing to spend and i walked um and then he kind of he kind of hit me up a couple times because i i didn't i should have just walked he bumped the thread a couple times he did i should have said here's what i should have said you know what that's a hundred dollars more than i want to spend on this watch i wish you luck and instead he would like come back and ping me and say hey i've still got it if you're interested because i'd kind of like oh let me think you know knowing you didn't do the hard sell if you told him |
| Andrew | $100 more than I'm willing to spend and walk. |
| Everett | Maybe he says, I'll do it for four, maybe. And I should have done that, but I didn't. |
| Andrew | Yeah, drive the hard bargain. Yeah. |
| Everett | And the other times I just got cold feet. But this watch for $400 is my first vintage watch. So when I find one, when I start looking in earnest, that's probably my baby. All right. And then Kim and I can do his and her wristy shots. |
| Andrew | Ooh, that'd be so romantic. That's right. You have to call me over to take them. Okay. |
| Everett | Yeah, because I can never do it myself. I'm terrible at wristies. I think I had a good batch this week. You did. Yeah, you did have a good batch. We'll get some of those up on the Instagram. |
| Andrew | So we're looking forward to hearing your thoughts. Yeah. Tell us, what do you think of as a vintage watch? What are your vintage watch picks? What vintage watches do you have? Do you regret them? Are you happy about them? Are they some watches that just sit in the back of your watch box and you look at them shamefully because you never wear them? Let us know. Shame. Shame. |
| Everett | Ring ding. |
| Andrew | Shame. |
| Everett | Ring ding. Yeah, cool. Uh, I liked that one. That was a fun episode. I hope it was fun, uh, to listen to because it was fun to research and it's fun to talk about. |
| Andrew | Yeah. What other things you got? |
| Everett | You know, uh, sort of on message for today. My other thing is also a vintage selection. |
| Andrew | Hit me. |
| Everett | I recently started watching The Walking Dead on Netflix. The Walking Dead. It's a show about a family. Dysfunctional. And a baby. Yeah, there's some infidelity and, you know, some trust issues. But, you know, it's kind of a rom-com, I guess you could call it. And there's zombies. |
| Andrew | Yeah, no, you can't forget those. They play a minor role. And there are zombies. It's the family story in the midst of a zombie apocalypse. The zombies are secondary. |
| Everett | So I've, you know, I've been watching this for about a month, just sort of. |
| Andrew | How have we just now talked about this? |
| Everett | You know, I don't know. Because it's an old show. |
| Andrew | I see you every week or sometimes twice a week, sometimes more than that. |
| Everett | Because I've been kind of watching it intermittently. Kim won't watch it with me. You know, most of the TV I watch is stuff that I watch with Kim, right? Because we're, you know. |
| Andrew | Because that's what you do at night. You watch TV together like any normal couple. |
| Everett | Right, right. But she's not going to watch this. |
| Andrew | You know, Sam watched it with me through like season four. |
| Everett | My wife just goes, uh-uh. |
| Andrew | She makes a sound. You can't, like, catch it off her, like, when you stop on the Netflix tile. |
| Everett | Uh-uh. Okay. Yeah, no, she's not into it. So, I haven't been watching it. I'm not binging it, you know, except when I have, like, a couple of hours at home. And, in fact, today I did. My kids had some birthday parties, and my wife took them, and so I had, like, five hours at home, and I watched Walking Dead and tackled Mount Laundry. Which is perfect. It's a perfect combination of things to do. |
| Andrew | And it's a good laundry folding show. Yeah. Because you get sweaty. I get sweaty folding laundry. I have no answer for you why. It's one of the most, the least strenuous things I do and it is like the most physically exhausting to be. |
| Everett | Not the first time we've talked about laundry sweat on this show. |
| Andrew | No. Do you get sweaty folding laundry? No, I don't get sweaty. I get unreasonably sweaty. I take breaks because like it's so hot. And it's not fresh out of the dryer, because I don't fold laundry fresh out of the dryer. Get some Gatorade. Yeah, I drank Pedialyte. And that's a good show. And since I just discovered that you were watching it, I thought you were re-watching it like a normal human being. I warned you that season five, I think, is when I stopped. I just stopped. |
| Everett | They're still producing it, right? They're still making it. |
| Andrew | I don't know if they're still doing The regular walking dead or fear the walking dead. So there was a spin-off. Oh interesting fear the walking dead which is occurring From what I understand like a pretty similar timeline But on the other side of the country and there's some character crossover in fear and the og Okay. |
| Everett | Well so far so good man. I've been pretty into it. I read the graphic novels Novel, I don't know multiple novels, I think the comic books, the comic books. That's right. I read the comic books a number of years ago, and they're and they're really good, super fun. But it's just I'd never gotten into the show. I think maybe I watched a couple of episodes at some point because some of the stuff when I was watching, I was like, I've seen this before, but I'm firmly in have never watched Territory now at the outset of season three. |
| Andrew | It used to be a critical part of my weekly routine. |
| Everett | Oh, yeah. Yeah. Huh. Yeah. No, never, never, never gotten the never gotten the bug for it. |
| Andrew | The problem with me is that it just got tedious. It's like, come on. Like, I know there's not going to be a happy ending and I'm totally OK with that. It's a zombie apocalypse show. There's not going to be a happy ending. |
| Everett | You're going to make it to a place. The place is going to feel safe. Someone's going to have to go out to get something. They're going to die. The zombies are going to follow them back. Other people are going to die. And then you're going to meet some guy who's wandering and he's going to shoot one of you and you're going to shoot one of him. And then we're going to go to the next phase of that. |
| Andrew | Yeah, it'd be like, it's like I am legend that wraps up nicely or bird box that wraps up nicely. I don't need that in an apocalyptic movie. I don't need it to wrap up nicely because the end of the fucking world. |
| Everett | Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it doesn't need. Yeah, we're wrapped up. |
| Andrew | Yeah, there's no resolution. We've already wrapped. Well, so it got a little tedious for me. I just stopped. |
| Everett | Well, you know, I've been really enjoying it, but I'm before that that tedious point. Um, yeah, interesting. If it's something you haven't watched, maybe check it out. I guess probably 99.9% of the people who listen to the show have, have watched it. That would be my guess. But if you haven't, you haven't given it a try. Give it, give it a try. |
| Andrew | Give it a watch and just stop watching when you're done because you don't need to wrap up. |
| Everett | You don't need to keep going. It's like the wheel of time books. Have you read those? No. Okay. I'll move on. But when you get to like book 11 and you're like, this is kind of boring. Take it from me, just stop. Just stop. It's not going to get better. Yeah. What about you? |
| Andrew | Other things? Another, not a new thing. I've been on a podcast kick. Shocker. And I just downloaded a whole mess of the podcast from the Art of Manliness. And that's a magazine that I have read an absurd amount of their articles. Follow them on social media and read their stuff as it comes out. And it's a... It's a men's magazine. Because it's called The Art of Manliness. |
| Everett | Wait, they call it a magazine? |
| Andrew | That's how they define themselves. It's an independent online magazine. Okay, interesting. Otherwise, I wouldn't have chose magazine as the word for it. |
| Everett | Okay, I'm glad you've justified yourself. |
| Andrew | Yeah. But for those of you who aren't familiar, and I'd be surprised if you're not, they do... Periodic articles and really regular articles on all things manly ranging from parenting to Fitness to things you should just know as a human not just a man But just things you should know as a human like how to start a fire You know the idea Kind of turned me off. |
| Everett | I think I started reading art of manliness Gosh, I don't know a long time in 2008 so we're looking at it's 11 years old. I was thinking, I was thinking law school. So, um, the idea of the art of manliness kind of turned me off. Cause right. What, you know, in 2019, what does it mean to be manly? But it's a very modern progressive. That's right. You know, which is a bad word to some of you guys, I'm sure. And I'm, we're sorry for using bad words on the, on the podcast, but fuck Everett, it is, it is a pretty progressive. And that is not to say that it's, it's political, but, uh, you know, they, they, think about how to be a dad and how to be a husband and how to be a man in this sort of thoughtful uh way you know and some of the stuff is just still right like how to make a fire right this traditionally manly thing but also like i i think at one point i read how to apologize to your wife or something like they have article there's there's tons of articles their podcast i did some of the some of the episodes i could do without so i didn't download them uh but some of them are like |
| Andrew | Uh, I, I just saw a sponsored post on Instagram of, uh, a book that's shit. I don't remember what it's called, but basically it was what Navy SEALs have learned and subsequently taught their sons. And they have an article or they have a podcast with the author, parentheses S of that book. I, cause I didn't read the book, obviously, um, talking about what, I mean, arguably in, in the, in your mind of like the manliest dudes in the world, what they've taught their sons and things that you want to teach your daughter. And what it does is it takes a very modern stance on masculinity, not in like the toxic masculinity sense, but it's like, what does it mean to be a man? And in the world that we live in. |
| Everett | How to not be a toxic man, perhaps at times. And it's not all that, right? It's not political or preachy, but certainly there's this idea of how to be a man without being toxic. |
| Andrew | Recognizing the fact that you are a man and as a result, you have manly responsibilities. Uh, and they have a, I probably downloaded a hundred podcasts today and we'll be listening to those on my drives and they've got good articles. I mean, it's just, it's a, it's a good spot to, to just drop in. It doesn't matter what you're looking for. If you're looking for just random shit to read, or if you're looking for fitness routines or for, uh, camping techniques or life hacks, they've, they've got it all. |
| Everett | All right, man. Well, I think that's as good a place as any to probably wrap for the week, don't you think? |
| Andrew | I think so. |
| Everett | Before we go, I'm going to plug our Patreon. We did start a Patreon, and some of you, many of you, have come around and said, hey guys, we dig what you're doing, and we want to be part of that. Well, we're super appreciative. If you've been to the Patreon, or even if you just listened, we're super appreciative of all the support, but I will say, I think in this episode, you're going to notice we had some microphone issues. We fixed them. You know, you guys don't know. Sometimes it takes us three or four hours to record these episodes. Not usually, but occasionally. It has on a number of occasions. And tonight was one of those nights. And so, you know, there's going to be some audio. We are in a place where we are satisfied with the content we're putting out. and we're increasingly unsatisfied with our capabilities, our functional pragmatic capabilities, which is really to say, our hardware sucks. Our hardware sucks, our software sucks, but we're not making any money on this. So we're loath to go crazy buying stuff to do this. Well, we're not, our wives are. And they're not, they're super supportive. But with that said, it doesn't make sense. We started a Patreon really to sort push us in the next direction or the next iteration of our show, which I think is probably to improve on our capabilities to record a high quality podcast. So you want to listen to us? Some of that is technical equipment. Some of that's going to be, how do we review watches that you guys are sending us or that brands are sending us? But to do that, we've decided to start a Patreon. We've talked about this before. You can find it at patreon.com slash 40 and 20. And we'd love to have you. You know, anything. Someone hit me up and said, hey, your only tier is $1. And that's right. That's exactly right. Which is only to say, if you want to come in and do $100 a month, we are not going to stop you. However, for me, about a buck a month, that seems like a reasonable amount of money to pay for a single podcast that I love. And if I don't love it, I'm not paying anything. |
| Andrew | I'm not on the Patreon. |
| Everett | And so if you don't love us, you don't have to give anything. If you just want to listen occasionally, if you do love us, you don't have to give anything. That's right. That's right. You never have to give anything. However, if you do like listening and you do want to support what we're doing, that's there for you as an option to do that. And just know we're kind of in a place where we need it. So we don't need it, but it would really help. So if that's something you want to do, we're there. Patreon.com slash 40 and 20. I'll stop because it feels like I'm selling and I hate that idea. |
| Andrew | Also, feel free to leave reviews on iTunes. |
| Everett | Yeah, we don't give very many reviews on iTunes. |
| Andrew | We have three. Aren't great. They're not great. |
| Everett | But we'll be better. We'll try to be better. We probably won't be. |
| Andrew | No. What you've experienced up to this point in terms of content is about what you're going to get. |
| Everett | All right. Well, we love you guys. Thanks for all your support. Thank you for listening to this episode of 40 in 20. Don't forget to tune back in next Thursday. for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Buh-bye. Our music today is Bummin' on Tremolo by Kevin MacLeod of incompetech.com. licensed under creative commons by attribution 3.0 license |