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Published on Thu, 27 Mar 2025 19:43:33 -0700

Synopsis

In this episode of 40 in 20, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss several recent watch releases and industry news. They begin by covering Breitling's acquisition of Galet and what it means for both brands. They then review new releases from several manufacturers including the Bangalore Watch Company's Peninsula Professional, multiple new Timex models, a new ceramic watch from Formex, and releases from Orage and Nomos. The hosts also discuss non-watch topics including their local comedy scene and a detailed exploration of the Paper Plane cocktail, which Everett makes and shares during the recording. The episode wraps up with Andrew mentioning his upcoming attendance at a Hamilton musical performance.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Everett Everett, how are you? Good. We had a little bit of a false start there. Did we? We did, yeah. I mean, we don't have to tell them, but we did. Oh. Yeah. But we got it, we figured it out.
Andrew Yeah, we figured it out. We figured it out. That's the problem with a recording studio sharing space with small kids is that the knobs and slides are never where we left them.
Everett You know, it's not been, there was a, there was a month or so where it was like every time we had to reset everything, but that hasn't been a problem by and large, but everyone's found something to get bumped or waggled, toggled, waggled, waggled, waggled, toggled. Yeah. Uh, lid. Yeah. That's okay. That's okay.
Andrew Um, you know, they just want to be like us. They just want to be like you just audio engineering over there.
Everett Yeah, that's right.
Andrew They haven't yet figured out that they can turn it on and put the headphones on and actually hear their voices in the microphones. Yeah. Um,
Everett You know, I remember seeing things like this, maybe not exactly like this, but as a kid and having like a big fear that if I touch something, I'd break it. My kids do not have that fear. Knowing now what I know, I realize that it's all very easy to sort of get back where you want it. Yeah. But even then, when I sat down in front of a much more robust sort of mixing board recently, and even then I had that same like, oh, I could break this. Because intuitively, I understand that I don't know what everything does. Yeah. Right? Like here, I know what everything does. So I know I, these are just off. If I want them on, I can turn them on. Like I know what everything does. But when you look at like, I don't know what everything does. And furthermore, there are buttons that I can push here that will really screw up the recording. Very, very infrequently would it be latent. Like we'd usually know right away. And then we'd have to troubleshoot and figure it out and wouldn't take very long. But on that bigger board, it's like, oh my gosh, it's a lot more to go wrong.
Andrew I think just with a few minutes of looking at it, knowing what you know about the small board, it's just scaled up.
Everett Yeah, that's right.
Andrew In a few minutes, you're like, okay, everything makes sense. Like this is a new thing, but it makes sense why it's here and what it does.
Everett And, and I think when you look at those big mixing boards too, there's, there's like 20 inputs. That's right. 20 in points inputs and maybe 80 different adjustments. But at any given time, especially for something like this, there's only going to be a handful of those things active. Yeah. The rest of them are going to be, are going to be, you know, in a, in a inactive state and so they just don't matter. And so the engineer is going to know which one's active. This is just like here, right? I think it'd be super cool to turn her out of tune on for an episode though. Yeah, do we have autotune on this? I'm sure we do. I think we maybe do. Yeah. Anyway, um, we would just sing the whole episode. Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew Um, I don't think people would make it even through the intro.
Everett Like, nope. It's a new, it's a new thing. Yeah. Um, yeah, I think you asked me how I'm doing. I'm doing all right. I did ask that. You always do. Uh, I'm doing all right. Everything's, everything's just humming along. I got a busy week ahead of me and I'm starting to feel like a little bit of like that sort of uncertain anxiety about that week. But other than that, I'm doing well. I'm healthy. I'm relatively well rested. Kim is doing really well. We did go to the surgery center this week for her two-week follow-up, and everything is progressing as expected. She got that sort of plaster splint cast, I guess is what you'd call that, off, and is now in a walking boot, which is aspirational because she's not yet allowed to walk. Comfort-wise, though, it's just, head and shoulders improvement? Yes and no. It is removable. It is intended to be removed, and she's authorized and even instructed to remove it X amount of times per day, but it is cumbersome in a way that the cast wasn't. Just the flexibility though to be able to remove it and scratch an itch. It's it's a mixed bag Yeah, it's a mixed bag that the actual boot itself is less comfortable But the ability to be able to take it off is is a big gain. So yeah this it's a mixed bag, but Anyway, her recovery is going really well because of the type of surgery she had there's like sort of a no ifs, ands, or buts for weeks, because they basically had to rebuild her, a portion of her foot. And so they're just like, you can't, you can't put any weight on that for four weeks, but she's got flexibility exercises now. And, um, yeah, good stuff. It's, it's well, sorry, sorry. You at home, you're going to get updates about my wife's recovery. You're, you're along with me. You're on this ride. You're along with all of us on the ride.
Andrew Andrew, how are you? I'm good. We're kidless right now, which is fantastic. We sent them to grandparent camp for the weekend. We went out last night and saw a comedy show, which was fun. We have a comedy venue here in Eugene that's really trying to like Cement itself as a as a decent venue. So we've got some fairly decent names coming through the venue itself Feels kind of like any other comedy club you've ever been into like kind of a shitty divey venue They pack as many people in there by shoehorn as is humanly possible Just just to let you folks at home.
Everett No, this is a venue that was for FKA in Eugene as the hodio Yeah Actually the rock and rodeo but it was the video nicknamed the hodeo So just to give you an idea of what we're talking about and but there have been two intervening venues there It's still though.
Andrew It's still though. Well, it's funny even in line like people are talking like man I haven't been this since it was a hodeo and I was like, it's not been the hodeo since like 2012. Yeah There's been two music venues there in the intervening decade But it was a fun show. We went and saw Kristen Key. She was kind of both exactly and not at all what I expected. It was a fun show. I was clearly very out of place. For those of you unfamiliar with her, she refers to herself as the singing lesbian, or is affectionately referred to as the singing lesbian. Her tour last year was called the Lesbian Army. I was unfamiliar with these facts going into it. became pretty quickly aware of those facts.
Everett There's an undeniable vibe.
Andrew Yeah. I was a little out of place, but it was still fun. Um, and obviously like going to any comedy show, you're going to have a hit or miss opener and then the headline is going to be, They're gonna do a good show. And she did a good show. It was fun. We went to a nice dinner beforehand. I had a fantastic cassoulet. We had a dozen oysters, a couple cocktails. It was fantastic without having to worry about like getting home to relieve the babysitter. It was just lovely.
Everett You know, I think Eugene was missing that sort of mid-size comedy club. We're in between good places for comedy shows, but we were kind of missing that sort of dedicated venue. So a lot of times folks would come to Portland and then just sort of pass us right by on the way down south or vice versa. Eugene's got enough people to support that size of venue, but If they can't sell out, you know, Matt Knight Arena, which is our basketball, our college basketball venue, or if they can't, you know, sell a significant amount of seats in that place, they would just pass us by because we really didn't have that. And well, we've got McDonald's and although comedy guys don't really go to McDonald's for whatever reason, they want a dedicated comedy club.
Andrew Yeah, which is interesting. And, and, you know, we've got a couple of guys, um, we're, we're kind of growing in that mid market venue availability and we're seeing some bigger names who aren't arena names. That's right. Make a stop and do a couple of days here because we, we do have the population to support, you know, two or three nights of sold out shows.
Everett Yeah, it's really that like, I don't know what the, what the capacity is there, but I think it's probably like 150.
Andrew My guess was that there was 200 people in that room.
Everett 150 to 300 that range of anyway. Yeah. It's a, it's a, it's a cool, it's a cool venue. Um, and I'm always surprised when I look at who's coming in, like, Oh, these are Tiffany Haddish is coming soon. Yeah.
Andrew Um, there was a couple other people. She's like, we need to go see this person. I'm like, ah,
Everett And that guy from, I was looking the other day, that guy from Anchorman has come in the, I can't remember what his name is.
Andrew I know exactly who you're talking about.
Everett Cochner.
Andrew Yeah, but he's going to McDonald.
Everett He's going to McDonald, okay. Yeah. Yeah, well, Cochner I think is coming for a couple of shows and David Cochner is coming for a couple. So anyway, there's like actual legit people coming, which is fun. We haven't had that. We're blossoming. Blossoming. Eugene's coming into its own. But we're not here to talk about ankle surgery recoveries or comedy shows.
Andrew That Cassoulet was next level, man. If you're not familiar with Cassoulet, woo! It was duck leg confit, some garlic sausage, a crepinette sausage of duck and pork. Oh, fuck.
Everett It was so good. Rather, we're here to talk about watches. Let's do it. And watches we will talk about. We had a fun. This was fun, Andrew. You and I independently prepared a set, and I think that they are Are they, they're not identical. There's a little bit of non-overlap. They are very close to identical, which is fun. I like it when we do that, because then it's just sort of like fair game.
Andrew This is one of those weeks that a lot of stuff happened, but a lot of stuff happened outside of the world that we like to live in.
Everett Oh yeah, and there's probably big stuff that, no, certainly there's big stuff that happened in watches this week that we probably won't talk about for better or worse, just like, We don't talk about those watches. So we're not the be all end all of horology news. Rather, we try to stay focused on the more affordable. And although there are things that we talk about that don't really vibe in there. With that said, there is a piece of news, Andrew, that I kind of would like to start with. um that is kind of at the you know upper ends of our like interest area and that is um we we both we both actually we both actually sent this out which is we usually do watch releases but this is not a watch release rather it's watch news and the news is that Breitling has formally announced what I think that the the watch industry knew were sort of suspected for about two years now. Breitling has formally announced its acquisition of Gallet. The... It's Gallet. Gallet. Correct. Sorry. Like mallet. Yeah. Yeah. A few years ago, there were rumblings about this, but it hadn't been really formalized until recently. And now Breitling has formally acknowledged and announced that it purchased Galet. And in doing so, George Kern has come out and filled in some of the gaps for people. I think there was some question marks about what this would mean for Breitling and how they were going to position it, what they were going to do with the brand, especially in light of their acquisition of Universal Genève in 2023, which was, I think, a point of huge excitement in the watch industry. Universal Genève has long been sort of the unicorn of, I think, the unicorn of deceased watch brands, you know, really just a ton of potential. Yeah. Last year, Breitling gave us a preview of the Universal Genève brand and gave us, I think, some food for thought about what we might expect And I think that there's some mixed responses to that. You know, what we saw were three watches, only one of which was actually going to be available. And even then, just really a single watch, these pole routers. And I think it actually raised more questions than provided answers. Pricing, I think, made a lot of people feel very nervous, maybe makes a lot of people very nervous. materials. Anyway, long story short... How does it fit within the universe? That's right. Long story short, I think that universal Geneve people are still excited, but there's maybe a temper to the excitement. And what we know now is that Breitling... excuse me, based on George Kern's comments this week, what we know now is that Breitling is setting us up for a three brand marketing approach to these watches. So we'll have Breitling, which is, I would say, gone up in sort of market in these last few years. Not sure why, but that's okay. That's a different conversation. We'll have Universal Geneve, which will sit above Breitling, really that like upper tier watch, probably competing with JLC, maybe, you know, Rolex, Patek. Yeah. So they're gonna have UG above Breitling and they've been clear now, George Kern has made specific comments that let us know that Galet is gonna sit just below Breitling in terms of price segment. So the comments he made were that we're looking at watches that are gonna come in from three to $5,000 or excuse me, three to 5,000 Swiss francs in that range. So maybe just below 3,000. we're looking at like a low-end Tag Heuer, Longine, Tudor competitor, I think is what we're looking at. And I think that's exciting. I think that's exciting. Say what you will about Breitling, say what you will about UG and what they do with that brand. And I know there's a lot of expectations for UG and they're taking it really slow. Fair. Um, I'm excited for them to have a little bit, little bit of fun with Galet and at that price, I have to imagine they're going to.
Andrew Yes. Uh, and there's, there's like deep catalog to pull from. Uh, I'm, I'm interested to see where they cut price. Relative to Eugene Breitling, you know, we're thinking what they've said. We're gonna see is Salida movements. I Think this is a really cool proposition
Everett I do too. Yeah. And like you said, Andrew, huge catalog. Um, you know, I've heard Eric Wynn talk about Galet. I've heard this is one of those brands that people are pumped about. And, and so there's an opportunity here. I, I got to tell you, Andrew, I, I'm not super optimistic here because George Kern, I think thinks about watches a little bit differently than the enthusiast hive mind.
Andrew Well, yeah, because he makes watches for arms dealers.
Everett And not only that, he's, I think, famously a bottom line guy. And so it'll be interesting to see what happens. I'm nervous. Here's what I'm nervous about. I'm nervous that they're going to sell watches for $5,000 that don't justify the price. That don't do $5,000 watch things. Breitling is a brand to me, and you know what, as I was reading about this, I was thinking about the Breitling brand, which is, in my mind, a brand I like with watches I don't. And I was like, well, there are Breitlings that I like, right? Yes. There is a Breitling I like. I like the Napa Timer. And then after that, there really aren't, Andrew. And the most talked about Breitling releases that we've had in the last several years have been the NFL watches or whatever, which I know you thought those were really cool. I think they're a fun release. And I think they're fun. I feel you there. But I actually just don't like them. At the end of the day, I'm not into them. Is this a brand that's not making good watches? And if so, is there any reason for us to expect that Gellert will make watches that we want?
Andrew I think Breitling is in the place that Tag Heuer was in like 1996. Yes, I feel that way.
Everett Obviously a different iteration of that, but yeah, I'm with you. Like, I don't want a Breitling. Like there's nothing in their catalog that I'm like, I want to have a timer. Yeah, me too. Me too. Okay. But that's the exception. And, and we talked about it this last year, but you know, the Zen version of the Navitimer is attractive to me because it's not Breitling.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Which is a problem. It's a problem that I feel that way. It's not a problem for me. It's a problem for Breitling that I feel that way.
Andrew That you feel that way, yeah, but I think every arms dealer in the world.
Everett I guess my point is not just that I feel that way, but that that's a thought that someone might have.
Andrew Right? Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Their collection is weird. It's disjointed. They all look like Breitlings, but they just don't fit together in a way that makes sense to me. I think the best comparison is 1990s Tag Heuer that just kind of lost itself and became somewhere between a fashion brand and a brand ambassador brand.
Everett If they can come out with dope Sellita powered watches that aren't overly clunky and that do a good job of marrying retro style with legitimate modern case manufacturing, and Andrew, this is a big one for me, and they can give us cost timekeeping, I think it'll be a success.
Andrew I think if they stay at their low end of their price range, if they stay at that, like three to $4,000 area and be a direct competitor with launching and tutor, there's some potential here.
Everett Yes.
Andrew I see this going, I see this going up market and you're going to be getting less watch for more money bearing just the galley logo.
Everett But if on the other hand, they give us $200-$3,000, $200-1 shitters, it's gonna fucking suck, right? Or $5,000, $300-1 with no cost designation. I mean, we're- I see that as a real possibility. Me too, me too. It's my concern, right? That this is just going to be piss on my back, tell me it's raining, name brand marketing. And that will be disappointing. So anyway, I don't mean to, it feels like a low note. This is exciting. It should be exciting. I'm worried about George Kern doing it, though. And I'm worried about it because of the way they've positioned it, which could work. It could work.
Andrew Oh, it has a lot of potential to work.
Everett Either way, we'll see. We should see both UG and Gallet release actual watches to market for the purpose of being bought by consumers in 2026 So we're still we're still a ways out But yeah, this could be great, but it also could be a fucking fiasco. That's how I feel about this. Yeah.
Andrew What do you got? We have a new Watch from the Bangalore watch company and Bangalore is a brand that we have talked about and we have had on this show Yeah near a patch on the show. Yeah too long ago. We have Yeah. The Peninsula Professional. And we have a, we call these dog bowl?
Everett It's an Ike pot.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Yeah. It's an Ike pot. I'm sorry. That's maybe not fair. This is a watch to me that I initially thought, oh, I love it. It's an Ike pot. So I'm not, when I say that, that sounds really like jaded. But I don't think it's fair. It's a round.
Andrew It's just a case. It's a pebble with a yeah with hooded lugs. Super simple dial that not even hooded lugs there.
Everett They're sort of like. Uh, attach under the not integrated integral lugs. Hidden integral bugs.
Andrew Yeah, I guess. yeah uh here's here's my so this is a it's an iphone yeah this is a big watch 44 millimeter case 13.75 high
Everett I think 44 without lugs is gonna not be huge. It is a big metric, 44 is a big metric, but no lugs, I think it's not gonna be huge.
Andrew No, it's gonna have a short, I mean, it's 44 all the way around, right? So you'd expect a 44 millimeter watch to be like 47, 48 lug to lug, it's just 44.
Everett or 50 right yeah no i think for a 44 if it was a lugged watch you'd expect it to be probably like 50 51 without that i think this is going to wear much smaller than that 44 would suggest
Andrew Yeah, but it's, yes, and it's still 1375 thick. Big thick watch. Dome sapphire. That's my one objection to this watch. 200 meters of water resistance. It's the Sellita SW200. We have four dial variations. White, blue, green, all beautiful, all beautiful, all lovely, a Black Mother of Pearl, which I really can get down with.
Everett With the white, green and blue coming in a steel case and the Black Mother of Pearl coming in a DLC case.
Andrew $1,250 and these are, they're good. I am for the white and the green. The blue doesn't quite do it for me, even though it's a really good blue. These are all coming on a rubber strap. I mean, this is for a brand like Bangalore. This is a This is a good release. This is a tree in the nine o'clock marker.
Everett Yeah, so three and a minor like nine o'clock and six o'clock we get these Rectangular three and nine Three easy. Yeah, what I say nine six.
Andrew Yeah, this is six.
Everett We have a date window Yeah, so three o'clock and nine o'clock. We have these rectangular map markers with a nine o'clock a tree and at three o'clock water It's a detail. Mm-hmm
Andrew It's well, it's meant to be like to be representative of the outdoor. Yes, like exploration of the region. The one thing I can't get down with is this profile of the of the case.
Everett It's chunky monkey.
Andrew I was a little surprised that it looks like a flying saucer. Yeah, it is. It is as tall as it is deep. Right. If you cut the midline, the case midline, you have the same dimension north as you do south.
Everett I think because of the way the case is shaped, it'll snug down really well into that gap, that anatomical gap that most people have. But I can't help but think they could have made this thinner.
Andrew Yeah, I have to believe that they couldn't because they didn't. But it's going to be a bit of a chunk. But it's really attractive.
Everett It could be that that was necessary to provide the clearance you need without lugs. So I I don't maintain that shape. But I mean, it looks like a flying saucer. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's a gorgeous watch. The dials on these are terrific. How many of the black. Mother of Pearl, did they make? So Black Mother of Pearl, if you don't know what it is, is Mother of Pearl, but it's black, it's pretty rare, and it's gorgeous. I'm not seeing the amount. It is, I know it's limited, and so I don't know, I don't know how many of them there are. Let's see if it says that here. I'm not finding it. It doesn't say. Anyway, it's beautiful. It is beautiful. This is a really stunning watch, Andrew, and I don't have any objections to it. I think it's a bit of an odd release. Something for everyone in the watch world. Let's put it that way.
Andrew It's unique to... I mean, and Bangalore is still establishing their design identity. I think this is a really interesting... Example of how they're experimenting with how they're going to move forward but encouraging that they are moving forward You know, it's it always bums me out to see a brand do a couple quick releases and then just shudder I'll talk about a couple of timex releases here.
Everett I'll squish these together. This is actually a total of one two Three four i'm gonna say new models for timex that were each released this week
Andrew It's kind of cheating to take half of the list as well for yourself.
Everett But you didn't have any of these, did you? I'm trying to conserve time and space here.
Andrew It's our show. We use all the time we want.
Everett So the first one, I actually am really excited about the first set of these, which is actually three separate watches, but they're all similar in that they're all being released under Timex's MK1 MK1 was a new model or model line, a new line from Timex that was released, gosh, Andrew, 2019, 2020, and was a spiritual successor to the Timex Camper line. Timex Camper famously was a military-ish watch that Timex sold in a lot of different variations, some plastic, some metal. really sort of a callback to that post-Vietnam military watch or Vietnam plus military watch made by Hamilton, Benres, I believe, and Westclox. Timex never made a military watch. Did you know that? And so they have these watches that looked very military, but never were. And that's also true now. The MK1 is not a military watch, but you'd be hard pressed. to look at these new MK1s or even the older MK1s and not understand what they were trying to be. So what's exciting for me about these new releases, so we really liked the aluminum MK1s, the anodized aluminum MK1s that came out a few years ago. I never took, I never bit the bullet on one of these, but what a terrific concept for a watch. Here we've got steel watches. Here we've got steel watches, which is something that Timex has not always done. They've been really selective in their application of steel. That's right. For a long time, Timex was using pot metal, brass, oftentimes like sort of nickel-coated brass, which I think is just a very problematic watch case material because if you're wearing it, it's going to look like shit eventually. It patinas, but in a way that I don't find attractive.
Andrew is exposed to some stuff.
Everett Yeah, I just don't like it. I don't like the way it just looks cheap and nasty and it's soft. And it goes fast. And it goes fast. I'm not into it. So what we've got here is an MK1 Automatic, which is a 40 millimeter military watch, 24 hour time, probably a Miyota 8000 if I had to guess. We've got a MK1 Mechanical, which is a 36 millimeter bike. 10 thick mechanical, I don't know what the movement is on the mechanical. Maybe Chinese, we don't know, cause Primex.
Andrew They just don't.
Everett They just don't tell us.
Andrew You gotta pop that case open to figure it out.
Everett And then we've also got a quartz MK1 resin is what they're calling this, which is just a really, really delightful. They've released these in both red and yellow. The red is like orange. These are just perfect, Andrew. They're exactly what you'd expect.
Andrew This is Timex for me. This is pure Timex. We have really classically designed not vintage by any means, but certainly not modern design aesthetics, but using modern materials, sizes that you want. And this resin case is like what I think of when I think of Timex.
Everett Same. Yeah. Same. Um, these are the, so, so the, The MK1 resins are 36 millimeter by 12 and a half millimeter resin cased, nylon pass-through banded watches. These are a little thick, but that's fine.
Andrew This looks like a lug case. With pin case, that doesn't look like a pass-through.
Everett They come on pass-through band, Andrew. Oh. Yeah. And I don't know if they've got spring bars or not. Oh, no, they don't. They are passed through.
Andrew Oh, so fixed lug.
Everett Fixed lug, yeah. These are 30 meters of water resistance, splash proof. They're 12 and a half thick, which I think in a little thick quartz movements on the resins, but they're 80 bucks. Yeah, and I all of them, right? No, no, no. Okay. So the Oh, yeah, the MK one mechanical or the hand wound MK 136 millimeters by 10 thick. And that is I had a price just now. It mechanicals 229 229. That's right. And then the automatic is a little bit more. Oh, no, also
Unknown Also $2.29 for the automatic.
Everett Shoot, Andrew, I'm sorry. What a wreck. I'm a wreck.
Andrew Well, it's interesting, that article you have listed only lists two of the prices, $259 for the automatic.
Everett Yeah, $259. So the one objection I've heard to this release taken as a whole is that we're kind of lacking a real midsize. So we've got the mechanical at $36. $36 and $40? And then we've got a, you know, a little bit oversized 40 for the automatic. I can see that. I can see that as being a fair criticism, I think.
Andrew But 36, 38, 40 is like.
Everett I think 38 and a half and 36 people would be happier.
Andrew That's what I think. I think especially for the style of like a very traditionally styled field watch. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. Um, new MK one logo. Um, I'm here for it. I really like it. Um, KIA's new logo. These are just great. These are just terrific. And I really do think that these fit very nicely into what I would expect. We've got, Um, less money than Hamilton. Uh, yeah. And, and I just think that's exactly where Timex should live making really good watches. These are good watches. These are not your 1980 or nineties camper. These are good watches with good material.
Andrew They're not an easy reader.
Everett And priced fairly, relative to their competitors. Priced even lower than their competitors. I think that's where Timex needs to live.
Andrew When you think about the documents collection that got released at what, 500 bucks?
Everett Yeah.
Andrew This isn't a far cry from those watches, right? We've got decent enough movements, steel cases, and they're half the price. The design's different. I mean, these are not the documents collection. but they are. It's the same shit.
Everett And I think for those who say, I want this, or I want that, or I want a little nicer, these are high top acrylic crystals. They're lower water resistance. If you want more water resistance in sapphire. Or buy an Expedition North. Because Timex is already doing the things. They've got titanium, they've got other materials at a slightly higher price point that is doing a very similar thing. This is their entry-level collection and it is a set of compromises that I'm okay with.
Andrew We have entry-level automatic mechanical washes from Timex in steel cases now.
Everett So the other the other release from Timex that we can just briefly talk about because there's not a whole lot to say about is the new Q Timex 1982 and a digi reissue. This is a. This is a watch that could have been released in 1982. It is a diminutive, thin, anodigy with a 12 o'clock digital display and the lower 80% of the watch dedicated to an analog quartz display. Rectangular 33 millimeters, if I haven't said that. reissue of an 80s, it's a reissue of an 80s Timex and that should be no surprise to anyone looking at this. We've got a black dial, we've got modern Q Timex bracelet, which is fine, which is fine. This comes in gold. And it comes in steel with black. And that's perfect.
Andrew I think I want the gold.
Everett The gold is great. Yeah, it's sort of a gold case with like a lighter champagne dial.
Andrew These are just alarm timer. Yeah. I mean all the digital effects with a TV dial.
Everett It's a 1982 watch and it's great. I mean the price on these $179 which might be a little bit more than you'd want to spend but with actual steel um pvd gold on the gold i i think that that's okay this is that's the price for this and i think if these come in at actual sale prices around 130 to 140 you you just take your take your objections and stuff them
Andrew And you know, this, this bracelet is not bad. It's not good by any means, right? This isn't something you write home about, but it is not bad.
Everett The class believes a little something to be desired. However, for what it is, it functions just fine.
Andrew And once you get it sized, it's comfortable. It's just like getting it sized that first time and like getting it actually where you want it is a little bit tricky.
Everett And if you don't know what we're talking about, this is the sort of flat link, narrow flat link that Timex has been selling with its Q Timex models for three or four years now. And it works, it works. It's elegant, it's retro, but it's also well-manufactured and it works, I think most importantly.
Andrew Yeah, it works These are fun. I think this is a this is a fun timex release. Yeah.
Everett Anyway, that's all I have to say about that What do you got?
Andrew Hmm? Hmm. Oh I know what I want to talk about Uh, I have to move my link in order. So I try to, I try to order these when I do the notes.
Everett If I do the notes, we're just here for you guys.
Andrew We're here for you. Uh, we have a new collaboration from brew who is just on the collab train right now with warn and wound the metric chrono regulator. Uh, and it's a, it's a brew metric with a full loom dial. and Brew has done a couple full loom collaborations. I think this is number three, if I'm not mistaken. I think so, yep. Number three full loom. I think Brew is so perfectly designed to be a full loomed dial watch. I wish every single release had a full loom option because these look so good. this white dial on the steel case.
Everett And it's so crispy too.
Andrew Like yeah, crispy, crispy Arctic white with this blue loom that even within the blue still looks white. This is like an icy blue full loom. They're 549 bucks. Uh, there's only 500 of them being made. They're just good, right? This is a, this is a Warner one collaboration. So we were just getting a relatively different ish color way. super attractive.
Everett And it's a regulator watch, which is interesting in and of itself, but did you notice this watch doesn't have an hour hand? So this is the second release of the regulator, the Brumetric regulator, but this one is notable because it's a full loomed dial. Did you notice there's no hour hand? So you use... You actually use... Oh, we are missing a hand. So it's got the 24-hour sub-dial, which is used to tell hours.
Andrew It's like a small hours, small seconds. That's right. Yeah. I didn't even notice that.
Everett I was looking at the watch and it just like that first picture at the top, you, you pulled up the whole dinky article, which is fine. Uh, but the first picture at the top, I was like,
Unknown This is weird.
Everett Oh, I figured I just lost the hour hand. Yeah, that's what I thought too. And so then I was like, okay, well, what does the hour hand look like? No, no, no, no, no. Oh, weird. They fell off. 24 hour hand is used to
Andrew Taking a Meistersinger-y route. And there's been some Meistersinger releases in the last couple weeks, and every time I see them, I'm like, ah, I think I need one of these. Yeah, I think we're not gonna talk about that today, going through our list, but. There's been about eight in the last month.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew That I've been really intrigued by.
Everett Yeah, this is cool, Andrew. It is, it's a Brumetric. It's a Brumetric chrono regulator. It doesn't have an hour hand. It's got a full loop dial, check it out. And a DLC-coated pusher. And a DLC-coated pusher, yeah, which, oh, okay. Just one. Just one. What am I gonna talk about, Andrew? I'm gonna talk about the Recense Type 7 GMT watch, which is Recense's first GMT. And also, more notably, I think for me, at least, this is Recense's first watch on a bracelet. Uh, which is fantastic. I saw the pictures of this thing and I immediately thought, well, this is my favorite residence ever. And I couldn't tell why I couldn't tell why. And I was like, what is it? Oh, oh, it's an H case on a bracelet. H case-ish, I will say. They're calling this a Sportive Chic GMT. Sportive is code for tool-like, and chic is tool for an integrated bracelet. Or as code for an integrated bracelet, which fine Let's talk about the elephant in the room, which they are selling this as a They're selling this as a tool watch.
Andrew It's got 50 meters of water resistance and a dive extension Clasp, which is weird.
Everett Okay.
Andrew Yeah, I
Everett Now, I'm curious about what portion of that 50 number is marketing and what portion is actual. This is an oil-filled case. And when other companies, for instance, Zen, sell oil-filled cases, they typically have like 30 billion meters of water resistance.
Andrew You put oil on F91 and it's like it's going to the bottom of the trench.
Everett So I just don't know what we're doing here. Like you're selling me a and it's not thin either Are they doing a paddock 50 meters like maybe it's not thin either. So What? Do you have the I did do you have the dimensions up? Yeah, I did but I think it's for a beer in the cooler It's like 13. Oh, I think it's thicker than that Plus this is a big bitch 14 millimeters 14 millimeters thick. So it's oil-filled, 14 millimeters, comes with a dive extension on the clasp, or at least an extension on the clasp, and it's coming in with 50 meters of water resistance.
Unknown That's confusing.
Everett And they're selling it as a tool watch. I don't get it. I don't get it.
Andrew They're only making 50 though.
Everett They're making 80. They cost $36,000. So, you know, I think when you're making a small amount and you're selling them at a certain price, you can do whatever you want, right? It's like you said, actually, I don't think Patek's 30 meters of water resistance is an unfair comparison here. They're like, people are not buying these to go sit in the hot tub. I don't know what I don't know. That seems like a problem, or at least, for me, it creates a big question mark.
Andrew It's not, yeah, I don't know if it's problematic so much as curious.
Everett All of that said, this watch is fucking rad.
Andrew Yeah, this Aquamarine is just phenomenal.
Everett Take that away. Jesus, this is fantastic. So this is the Type 7 movement from, it's a GMT, if you don't know, If you don't know, Ressence uses a rotating disc layout and they're powered by, this one in fact is powered by magnets that move these discs and... I wonder how that watch's anti-magnetism is. You know, I don't know actually, but it's a reasonable question. They call it the rocks, the rocks system, which is some sort of rotating blah, blah, blah, blah with magnetic transmission, um, separate 24 hour disc. Uh, this is cool. And if you haven't seen one of these, you need to see one cause it looks, I mean, there's, there's nothing else that exists that's like this.
Andrew No, it's something they've done on the bezel that's unique and just, I think, shows how not tool watch this tool watch is. This is not a rotating bezel. on a watch with a dive extension clasp. It's meant to be oriented with the 12 o'clock, as the bezel is, but they've adjusted all the numerals to be, rather than the typical inward facing red from any angle, they're vertically aligned to be red only if the dial is oriented 12 o'clock north.
Everett I can't remember what the topic you recorded with Frank six months ago or so and you guys had a like Some sort of coolest watches the best watches I can't remember what your theme was but the type 5 was Frank sort of like this is the coolest fucking watch on the face of the earth type of deal and in some ways it is Resson's really we don't talk about it much here because they're sort of unobtainium for us but uh yeah i don't i don't need a fourth mortgage these really are very very special and this watch in in fact is maybe the most special of all
Andrew It's, it's super cool. And you know what, it's, I think they can call it a tool. They can call it whatever the fuck they want, because it's $36,000. It's just not that. And it wouldn't, it's not designed to be that. It's designed to look like it, like very poser-y. But still have some of the, some of the chops to it, but this, no one's buying this watch to Summit Everest or to go on a diving expedition. they know what they're making. Yeah. This looks like a tool watch and no one is ever going to use it as a tool watch. What's next? Okay. I like the oil field concept though. Oh yeah. We have a new, a new Hamilton release. Yeah. Yeah. The stealthy black intramatic auto Chrono and, and Hamilton is a brand that I passed on these by the way, but, but I'm, I'm excited that you picked them. Hamilton is a brand that, I think is maybe entering a little bit of an identity crisis. Yeah, yeah, could be. Because Hamilton has this long history of great legacy tool watches. And this Legacy of I don't know what the fuck this is watches Like Hollywood watches.
Everett Yeah, Hollywood watches and and they're they're in this world where they're even their Elvis watch the Just blanking on what it's called the triangle. Yeah.
Andrew Why can't I think of it the Elvis watch? It's in Men in Black. They've got two dozen Futuristic movie watch releases in the last five years there Huge product placement. They've got these like orological chops and legacy and I think they're trying to figure out where to live in that. And that makes it kind of hard for them to do new releases that sort of make sense within the brand, I think, right?
Everett I think it makes it hard for them to make new watches that we're going to be excited about. Yeah. Yeah. And, and so that's maybe not an actual problem, but in the context of what we're doing, I would, I think I agree with your sentiment.
Andrew When we think about Hamilton, like I'm, I hate half of Hamilton's catalog. Yeah. Hate it. Yeah. And then I really like, I love the other half and I can't reconcile those two. Like how are these, these two things coexisting? Uh, this seems like one of those watches meant to bridge that gap.
Everett And these are, look, to be fair to these, and the reason I didn't pick these up, these are Enormatic chronographs, which is an existing model. They are aesthetically fine. These are black, which makes them interesting and cool. But in terms of a watch that I'm gonna get excited about, it's a 15 millimeter giant fucking chronograph that doesn't come on a bracelet. And that is, for me, I'm like, okay, sure.
Andrew You know, though, there's there's a growing place in my heart for a big ass watch right now. Yeah. And so these are what what's what I really do like is that these are 14 and a half thick, but there's still only a 40 millimeter case. Forty nine lug to lug hundred meter screw down crown sapphire crystal. Seventy seven fifty three movement. Yes. 20 millimeter lug width, 100 meters of water resistance, all the things, right? This is not a new release, but they're coming in DLC black murdered out. The dial colors are your hands and then your corresponding- Black and black, black and yellow, black and red. Yeah, yeah. Or black and orange, kind of a rust. Yeah, that rust is really good. I'm I'm into it. And I think this is like Hamilton's trying to figure out they're having a midlife crisis. Sure. Yeah. Maybe is what's going on right now. And this is tending. This is the reasonable decision. A second midlife crisis. Yeah. This is the reasonable decision they're making. They're like, you know what? No. I don't need to go to Vegas and look for hookers and blow. I think I'll just go golfing this weekend. And this is, this is Hamilton's golf weekend. We know we'll have a hookers and blow release in a couple of weeks, whatever. Uh, I want to see Hamilton doing more of this kind of innovating within the, the catalog that, that I like and, and not so much in the jazz master line.
Everett Okay. Okay. Uh, quick, quick sex question. Do you want top or bottom?
Andrew Ooh, I always love bottom.
Everett Okay. Formax I am known as the power bottom as a Formex Formex a brand that Andrew and I love I was saving this watch for you because because I Well, I was saving this for you. Well these next two watches we're gonna talk about I think we're gonna draw some comparisons or at least I'm gonna draw some comparisons between these next couple of watches At least the brands Formex. I just think it's terrific These are owners. We we have met and and really like doing really cool things and I've always sort of told the story as if, and I actually don't know how much truth there is, but I feel like Formex is a brand that was experimenting with manufacturing capabilities and using Formex, the brand, to showcase the manufacturing capabilities. I think with the Essence in particular, you see, you know, that spring loaded suspended case, With With their dive watches.
Andrew You've got this modularity concept We've talked about Formex being like how much technology can we pack into this watch and you see it.
Everett That's right. That's right So once again, I think I think they've moved the needle with their last release. This is the Formex essence ceramica skeleton cusk a new, so wrist enthusiasts is calling this a new standard in ceramic watchmaking, and that I believe is fair, and we'll link to that below. What this is, is a full ceramic case and bracelet with a brand new patented micro-adjustable ceramic clasp. That's the money, that's where the money is here. A ceramic micro-adjustable clasp, which I think is the first ever Describe that way now. Watch itself. I don't love. No, it's very Bell and Ross like a full ceramic skeletonized 41 millimeter essence, which is the bigger essence, which is the one I don't like. It does come with a cost certified skeletonized automatic. It's got 100 meters water resistance, which is fine, which is fine. Sorry guys, that's perfect here. They're limited to 88 pieces per version. We've got a 4,000 franc and a 4150 franc. And these are gorgeous. So ceramic is notably seven times harder than steel and lighter, 30% lighter, hypoallergenic, comfortable, doesn't fade in terms of color. Ceramics weakness obviously is its hardness because it can tend to be more prone to shattering or just general brittleness.
Andrew It's hardness compromises its integrity.
Everett But what I will say, and I think we talked about this recently, I haven't heard of people shattering their ceramic watches. I'm sure it's happened, but it's not something we hear.
Andrew It's anecdotal.
Everett It's anecdotal, and it's even limited, right? If everybody that bought a ceramic watch was like, you know, I love ceramic watches, but they just shatter, I would be like, well, this is a problem. But we're not hearing very much about that. So we've got four different variations. We've got a Skeleton Kask GT and a Kask Stradale. They come in white, violet, blue loom versions, and... A rusty orange. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. It's not quite bronze. I know, but bronze, that feels to me like bronze. I don't love a skeleton dial. I've said that eight billion times, or just a skeleton.
Andrew I've seen a few executions that I could get down with, but by and large, it's a big pass for me.
Everett This is a showcase watch, which is fine. Not my thing. But I love the technology. Yes. You know what I want? I want a white ceramic, blue dialed essence, and I'm there. I'm there. Give it to me under 10 millimeters,
Andrew These are these are what nine nine five. Yes.
Everett Yep. So that's what I want. I want to know these are 11 to That's because it's the bigger but if the bigger one is allowed to I think if you can give me a 30 as 39 or 38 38 and a half. Yeah, if you give me the 38 and a half you give me under 10 millimeters white ceramic blue dial I'm just gonna I'm just gonna do whatever I have to do You know what, you're gonna see me in the gas station bathrooms for a couple months. Tapping your foot under the stall. And I'm gonna get it, okay? Yeah. Terrific, this is beautiful, I love it.
Andrew Start traveling with a bore drill. Every bathroom you go to. All right, next. These are good. I think this is an example of Formex packing technology into a watch just to prove that they can, right? We have a cost-certified On-the-fly. Yeah, whatever, whatever. But an on-the-fly adjustable clasp is new, right? On-the-fly adjustable ceramic clasp. And for this, they don't have to go COSC, but they did it anyway, because they're like, we have the technology, we're going to shove this shit in here. I think all the essences are COSC, by the way. They are, but they didn't have to when they're innovating in new tech, like when they're really innovating in new technologies. And I think everyone would be okay with it. Like, oh, it's ceramic, but this isn't a cask anymore. Like, no, I can accept that they're going to make a little bit of an adjustment for this technology, but they didn't compromise that. Yeah, yeah. There's no reason not to, yeah. I dig that. Arage, Decaflux, and the new K3 automatic caliber.
Everett Both the words Orage and the word Decaflux make me uncomfortable. Yeah. Cause I'm not saying I'm right. I think you are. I think that there's a, like, you know how sometimes just certain things like just give you like, like the word panties.
Andrew Love panties. You use the T too hard. Panties is a weird way to say it, but panties.
Everett Another brand, another brand. So I'll just quickly, and then I'll release you. Feel free. Quickly. I think that Orage is also, like Formex, I think, very much a brand built to showcase the capabilities, manufacturing capabilities. And here we get the next evolution of what Orage was. You remember that? It was at SNL or was it MADtv?
Unknown Look, look at what I can do.
Andrew That's MADtv. Oh gosh, what's his name? Stewie, Stewie, Stewie. Look, look at what I could do. Hey, hey mom. Yeah, both my kids are like that. Hey, hey. So I think the big difference between Orage and Formex is the same difference that we've talked about between Manta and Formex. I think Formex develops technology to push into their watches to highlight the technology that they can get into a watch. And I think Manta and Orage innovate technology to make the watch better. Like, their technology is in actual manufacturing processes. And how much technology can we create to make the watch better, rather than technology we can push into the watch. Yeah, I think it's a bit of a misnomer to bring Manta into here, because Manta is... But it's a comparison that we've drawn before, and I think Haraj is closer to Manta in that regard. Except that...
Everett They're they're a manufacturer of movements. That's what a Raj is.
Andrew Yes.
Everett They're like we make cool fucking movements Here it is in our own branded watch Monta's not really making anything That's where I take Umbridge.
Andrew They're designing manufacturing techniques to push into their watches. In a different way than Formex is.
Everett I love Manta. But Manta's bringing together third parties to make the best watch at the best price. Orage and Formex are both doing shit in-house. That's why I object, if at all.
Andrew except and, and with an a and moving on. So this is a 40 millimeter watch nine, nine, eight thick in-house modular K three. I don't even know why it's modular. What the fuck does that mean? I understand what modular means.
Everett I think it means it means this is a platform. This is a platform for you to make cool shit with cost certified,
Andrew Silicone escapement and hairspring. Mm-hmm 26 jewel 96 hours of power reserve. I'm not a power reserve bunny I know you are yeah, I can see I like it.
Everett I like the idea of it, but it's not something I look for Yes, it is.
Andrew We talk about this all the time. It's got 80 hours. I've never shit never bought a high power reserve watch No, but you get hard on them
Unknown I just think it's a cool, I just think it's a good thing, it's practical.
Andrew 96 hours, this is the first time that I've seen an hour power reserve that I've been like, okay.
Everett Well, there's eight day, what's their face, the big Italian watches that still Lester Stallone wears, called, they make dive watches, they're Italian, they make giant. I'm trying to, I'm drawing a blank. They make an eight day, I mean there's lots of eight day plus.
Andrew But those are also the same size as a Costco pumpkin pie. I don't think they have to be for the purpose of eight days. So we have a 96-hour power reserve. This is money. And here's where the real excitement is. We have all this technology, an in-house movement, perfectly sized watch. under $3,000 for a super, super attractive watch. These are very simple, kind of sunburst-y blue, really great, kind of black, we're going to call that. Black? Yeah.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew I think it's just black. Great color accents on the dial, so the sunburst-y, sunray-y blue has their lightning bolt, blue under red, secondhand. You made a face like it's not a lightning bolt.
Everett No, it is a lightning bolt. Okay, you called me out, so I was hoping to just make a face and come back to it. So these are, look, if you look at these and you think, this feels like something, that's because this is a Milgauss, right?
Unknown Yeah, well, okay.
Everett So okay. So the Rolex Milgauss famous for having green tinted crystal like so they use these Laminated crystals that have green tint either. It's like an AR These have in the black version. There's a red tinted crystal in the blue version. There's a blue tinted or like a blue-green tinted. You've got a lightning bolt secondhand. You've got incredible anti-magnetic capabilities, including a silicone escapement and hairspring. Oh, okay. This is, Orage is like, look at what I can do.
Andrew Yeah, but not every watch has to be that.
Everett I love it. I love it. I'm not, I'm not objecting to it. I'm just, let's call the, call the spade a spade.
Andrew This is a Milgauss. I'm a little bit disinclined to immediately make. It's got a fucking lightning bolt secondhand, Andrew.
Everett Like they're not hiding it.
Andrew I still am disinclined to make direct comparisons to existing watches. OK, well, you're being an asshole. I'm just I just am. It's it's not not a Milgauss.
Everett This thing's awesome.
Andrew I'm not I'm not suggesting it's not. It also isn't a Milgauss. Because it's just not I call it they call it the deck of because it's not what's a deck of flux I don't know 10 fluxes.
Everett It's like bad heartburn This thing's terrific deck is 10, so this is I believe horages fifth movement So they've been making movements now for 15 or 16 years. This is their fifth movement. And I do think more than anything, Haraj is selling movements, right? So this is a watch they're like, yeah, sure. It's a Milgauss, but more importantly for you watch manufacturer, Look at what I can do. It's a 30 millimeter by 4.2 millimeter movement, modular movement, meaning like that's, that's, that's watchmakers speak for, Hey, I can do some shit.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett What do you want to do? Let's talk about it. And yeah, yeah. This is jump into the DMS and let's talk about what we can do for you.
Andrew It's not a particularly attractive movement.
Everett No, I think they do that on purpose.
Andrew They seal that movement in, and I think it's probably a function of durability.
Everett I think they do that on purpose. They're trying to make it really obvious what the functions are. They're not trying to go overboard with decoration. They want you to be able to see what you're getting because you're interested in this movement, not as a consumer, but as a manufacturer. Yeah. I think. And in and of itself, this is beautiful. 2,500 Swiss francs.
Andrew 100 meters of water resistance.
Everett On pre-order.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett I mean, it's fucking cool as shit, dude.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett But it's a milk house. I think, do we just have one more or do you have one more too?
Andrew I think I just have one more link up.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, we, we can share it. The new Nomos Minimatic 39 date is like every single Nomos release. I have to like, I have to like go back and search to figure out if this is something we've talked about because I didn't because this is the first Nomos I've looked at.
Andrew I've been like, huh,
Everett What up, girl? 39 and a half millimeters wide, seven and a half thick automatic in-house from Nomos. It is, it's really good.
Andrew And the one that got me, so it's a Nomos dial, right? There is nothing new, exciting or different. But what got me on this is the white dial Silver hands small seconds with a gold gold dates around gold dates around fuck Yeah, I saw that and I was like oh, hey, no most what's up with you girl first time ever you know most I see him like math yeah, yeah, so the minimatic exists already
Everett It is a 35 and a half millimeter watch, which for me is just too small. These have different dials. I dare say dials that I like better, and it's just a better size. 39 and a half is just a better size for me. For this watch, yes. We've got long slender lugs, water resistance of 50 meters at seven and a half millimeter thick. I see you, Nomos, you're fine. You're fine. At 3,200 US money. Sculpted lugs, which I really like, that are kind of like, create some visual separation, that claw foot thing we talked about a little bit last week.
Andrew Two versions of the white dial One with gold hands one with silver and then a blue dial with silver hands all with gold surrounds.
Everett Yep on the date Yeah, this was first time I looked at it was like I'm I'm with you Andrew picking up what you're putting down now the silver hands with the gold dates around that's that's the one I want although there's maybe a bit more symmetry in the gold hands gold dates around I don't like that one. The blue, the blue is fine.
Unknown The blue is fine.
Everett Blue is fine. I like it. Yeah. But I'm with you. Um, yeah. Beautiful movement. Sapphire on the front. Sapphire in the back. Um, beautiful movement.
Andrew That's, that's like kind of deceptive, right? It doesn't immediately look like a beautifully decorated movement, but then you take a good look at it and you're like, Oh, Oh, okay. Yeah. Like the, the radiating, but like not from the center radiating.
Everett What are they calling that? They have a word for that. It's like scalloping. I think they call it like sunray.
Andrew Yeah. It's like a, it's a sunray kind of. burst from, yeah, yeah. It's, it's just, like I said, first one that I saw and that I was picking up what it was putting down. Cool. Cool. Andrew, other things. What do you got? Oh, I got other things. Um, You may or may not be familiar with the Broadway musical sensation Hamilton. I've heard of it. Some people have, some people haven't. So I wanted to be sensitive to that. Obviously Hamilton was a global sensation. And I was like, you know, you read about it and you listen to the soundtrack. And then when it finally comes onto Disney plus you watch it and you're just, I've seen a lot of musicals in my life. This was the first one that I had just sat down and I didn't move.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew Yeah. It was really something special. I can't even be sure that I took a breath during the entirety of the show. It's coming to Eugene and it's obviously not Lin-Manuel Miranda as the, it's not the prime cast. It's coming to Eugene and I'm going to go see Hamilton in person on Tuesday and I could not be more excited. I've probably watched Hamilton as like on Disney plus 50 times. Uh, watch it with my kids. My kids both love it. The music is great. Like the, the kind of juxtaposition of modern musical inspiration in conjunction with I mean, not wholly inaccurate story of this American epic. It's just fantastic. And I could not be more excited. I know you went and saw it last year or the year before.
Everett I've seen it twice now. I saw it in San Francisco on its first national tour. We got really lucky to get tickets. And then I saw it two years ago here in Eugene. And it's just, you know, I know the music, I know, uh, I, that second time I saw it, I was much more familiar with it and that was fun. But I remember the first time I saw it, I really didn't know what I'd heard some of the songs and I'd specifically downloaded the album and made a playlist based on like, internet search. And so I had like probably listened to that playlist, maybe I think it was like 13 songs. I'd probably listened to that like four or five times through. And so I knew a little bit of what I was getting into, but I was just floored.
Andrew The spectacle of it in person, I'm just, I am, I saw it was coming to Eugene. I was like, man, I really want to go to this. Uh, and then my, my birthday is next week. And Sam was like, Hey, I have to give you your birthday present early. And I was like, okay. It's like, we're going to go see Hamilton on Tuesday. And I was like, yes, uh, I am excited. And it like, uh, You're going with a fun group of people to go with a fun group of people. Um, I, I didn't reveal something there. No, no, no. I'm, yeah, I'm aware that I'm going, uh, I expect that you were perhaps invited, but, but also intentionally excluded because you know, you're an asshole. Uh, but I'm, I'm really excited to go. So I've, I've been listening to Hamilton this morning and just like getting myself pumped up for it. in a way that I just haven't and probably wouldn't for any other musical Broadway presentation. Right. Like I would like to go see virtually anything on Broadway, but I can't imagine myself listening to cats ahead of time. Sure. Right. Or even like Fiddler on, like take your pick of, of big Broadway musicals.
Everett Uh, I went and saw Chicago a couple of weeks ago with my daughter and her friend. I think I talked about that on the show and it was very much, I was like, okay, I don't like all products. Yeah. Not all things created equally. It was beautiful. It was a fun show, but it wasn't. When we go to wind up, we should go see a show. That'd be cool.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett Yeah. I'm down. Yeah.
Unknown Um, okay. Andrew, I've got another thing, but my, my, hold on, hold on. Do me! My other thing requires a little bit of, I should have already done this.
Everett Yeah, you weren't prepared. Weird. I've been talking about bourbon a lot on the show, and I'm sort of feeling, I've gotten into bourbon. And with that, bourbon's gotten into you. A lot of bourbon has gotten into me. I've been sort of like...
Unknown Vaguely cocktail curious.
Everett Is that, is that a fair thing to say? And, and you know, everybody knows a Manhattan, everybody knows a, uh, uh, old fashioned, uh, some Sazerac rye old fashions last night. Yeah. Yeah. Or even a Sazerac for instance, there's the Boulevardier, which I really like. Boulevardiers. Yeah.
Andrew Um, there's, I know you shit on Negronis, but I fucking love a Negroni.
Everett Negroni's good. A Boulevardier is, by the way, a Negroni with bourbon. And I like those, although... Negroni's got a little, anyway, long story short, I found a cocktail recommendation that sounded really interesting. And I was like, well, I can get the stuff for that cocktail. And I did, in fact, get the stuff for that cocktail. It's called a Paper Plane. Andrew, have you heard of this? Not until this morning. So a Paper Plane is a relatively, it's one of the, like a new wave cocktail. Do you have a glass? Andrew, we need a glass. Hold on.
Andrew We're not gonna drink out of any of these.
Everett Okay, quick break. We are shaking, we're straining. Okay. So paper plane. I've never seen a clean canteen used as a shaker. It was just fries. I pre-mixed. So what I did is I pre-mixed the ingredients. It's just ingredients over ice shaken and strained. So I've now strained out two cocktails. This is a four-part cocktail. So it is, equal parts of bourbon, Amaro Nononi, Aperol. Nonino? Nonino, that's what I meant to say, Nonino. Aperol and lemon juice. Okay. This is all mixed this morning, just poured over ice shaken and strained. The parts of this, so this was like, I think a cocktail invented in like 2008. Wikipedia says 2008. got traction a few years later and has quickly, I think in 2023, this was added to some sort of bartender's cocktail list that is sort of, uh, canonical. Um, I've just heard of this. I made one and I was like, fuck. That's my favorite cocktail. That's my new favorite cocktail. So I've made you one. You know what's in it. The ingredients of this are all pretty particular, but you can tell, in particular the Amaro, also the Aperol, there is room to play. However, this was built to be incredibly balanced. I will say I've played with this a little, and my one caveat is that for the bourbon, you should use the highest proof bourbon you can find. And so this is a 131 proof Elijah Craig barrel proof.
Andrew Okay, so this smells, so as I'm reading, this is a cocktail that's meant to be served straight up. It says to be served in a cocktail glass, like a martini glass. I think this should be in a coupe. In a coupe, this should be in a coupe. This is a pure coupe.
Everett It should be in a coupe.
Andrew Just the aromatics of it. You're not gonna get a whole lot of evaporation. There's no carbonation in it. This is a coupe with like a,
Everett cherry yes we've got a moral we've got an aperitif for sweetness and bitterness we've got lemon juice for the acidity we've got bourbon for the booze and we've got a very high proof bourbon feel free fuck how many of these could you drink all as I just keep them coming.
Andrew Oh, keep them coming. The, the like bitterness of the no Nino and the apparel. Yeah. It like it eats all the heat of that bourbon, but you feel it. That's right. It's 131 proof bourbon. You like, you feel the hug, the Kentucky hug, but it's like, Ooh, Oh fuck. And, and you'd get drunk. Oh, fast. You'd get drunk. I mean, the whole idea of a cocktail like this, like the martini originated as a, this is my cocktail for the evening. Yes. And then, you know, then we got ahold of it and we're like, Oh, five.
Everett Yeah, you probably wouldn't want, I mean, I think for me, two of these, maybe three.
Andrew But the problem is when you get to three, the brakes are off, right? And, and then you're just like, bring another. Cause this is super drinkable. There's just a touch of sweetness. like great aromatics, great bitterness, but the bitterness is like, it like lingers in the back of your mouth. And then it's very citrus forward. This is a phenomenal cocktail.
Everett So when people play with this, the main ways people play with this is to sub in either Campari for Aperol or Montenegro for Nonino. You could do either of those. I've tried it both ways. I think that you lose balance with both of them. Campari obviously delicious. It definitely makes it boozier and it definitely makes it a little bit heavier. The Aperol gives you that real like bright punch. And Nonino versus Montenegro, I'm not even sure you'd tell the difference, but the Nonino is just a more sort of earthy, it's grappa based, so you get this really earthy medicinal quality that with the Montenegro you lose just a little bit.
Andrew This is like really reminiscent of a pompaloma, or not pompaloma, a paloma. Yeah, like the flavors work together in a very grapefruity way.
Everett Yeah, and you get a big grapefruit punch, or you get a big grapefruit punch.
Andrew There's just no bourbon in this, but you get all the sensations of bourbon.
Everett That's right. So I used Pikesville on this when I first did it. Pikesville's a rye. And then I moved, which is, it's a lower proof rye. I moved over to Henry McKenna tenure, which is like a hundred proof bottled in bond. And I was like, nah, I'm just, it was too sweet. And then I put a big, big fucker bourbon in it. And I was like, that's it. Put the biggest fuck you bourbon you can. I think less than a hundred proof is just a no-go for me.
Andrew Yeah, you're going to have like, like Cosmo sweetness vibes to it.
Everett You need 120 to 130 proof for this to work. And this is a, I believe it's either 131 or 129 proof ECBP. That's the way to go. Bigger, more bourbon, more bourbon proof is better. And it's only three quarters of an ounce of each. So you're not gonna get all that bourbon, although you do get alcohol with the Aperol, you get a lot of alcohol with the Nonino. And so it's boozy, it's not not boozy.
Andrew But you don't sense it.
Everett Yeah, that's right. It does. If you wanted a drink.
Andrew This is like drinking Imperial Mike's hard lemonade.
Everett You and you're sort of disinclined to drink straight booze partner. This is great. In fact, I made my wife try it and she was like, Ooh, Uh-oh! That's bourbon? I'll put a picture of that in the fridge. Seriously, and you can pre-mix it. So what I did today is I made two of these. I took an ounce and a half of everything, stuck them in a mason jar.
Andrew That's good to know.
Everett I took an ounce and a half of everything, stuck them in a mason jar, and just brought ice. I brought ice in an insulated clean canteen so it didn't melt. And I just poured my pre-mix over the ice, shook it up, strained it into two glasses. Perfect. Perfect. You might want to garnish this with an orange, like an orange twist twist. Um, I mean you can garnish it with whatever the fuck you want. It doesn't need a garnish.
Andrew I think a twist in a charity.
Everett Don't put an olive, like a Luxardo cherry. Yeah. Don't get too much of the sauce though, because this runs the risk of becoming too sweet.
Andrew Yeah. I think you, I think you, you spike one of those, give it a good shake off.
Everett You wouldn't want any of that maraschino liquid in there.
Andrew I think that bite of cherry with a little bit of extra acid bitterness of the twist would be just lovely. You do run the risk of getting too sweet on this. You don't want it to soak. You want to place that cherry over the top.
Everett I also, so I use like a really fresh bottled, not from concentrate lemon juice that I keep in the fridge. I think that a perfectly fresh lemon juice might cut some of that sweetness too. Like just a fresh squeezed lemon juice might cut some of that, but I don't know, I just can't be bothered.
Andrew Yeah, unless you're working at scale, like fresh squeezed juice in cocktail making is, the benefit is there. It's night and day value, but for cocktails at home, even when you're entertaining.
Everett If you've got the ability to buy lemon juice or lime juice that are not from concentrate, we've got a brand, I can't remember what it's called, but it's a local Oregon brand that they sell. And they're, they come in glass bottles that are too expensive and blah, blah, blah. But it's not from concentrate and you get, so you get that fullness of a fresh squeezed, but I, they, they stay fresh for about a month in the fridge. So I usually just buy one of those.
Andrew I don't use enough lemon juice.
Everett I know.
Andrew I buy the, whatever the brand that everyone has in their fridge, that's the lemon juice that I have.
Everett The taste is different though.
Andrew Oh, absolutely. But in other applications, when you're not drinking it.
Everett Anyway, that's my other thing for the week.
Andrew That's a lovely other thing, I am thoroughly enjoying it.
Everett And I shared, I like other things that I can share.
Andrew Me too.
Everett Paper plane, paper plane. We will drop the Wikipedia page in the show notes. And I'm gonna be drinking a lot of these. But just Google some recipes. Nonino's expensive, it's 60 bucks. I think Montenegro is about half to two thirds that cost, so 30 to 40 bucks. Apparel's cheap, buy Apparel, don't buy Campari for this.
Andrew Yeah, no, Campari has a really specific application.
Everett Yeah, but I think a lot of times you can sub in Campari for Aperol. Here I wouldn't because I think you're going to get too boozy and you're going to get, um, but, and, and sweeter. Campari is both sweeter than Aperol and boozier, I think. Um, but yeah, and then lemon juice, that's it. Four parts. You can make, you could make a gallon of this and just every time someone wants a cocktail, you shake it, pour it, call it a day. No ice cause you don't want to dilute it.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett If it was a billion degrees outside, you might be able to put, get away with ice on this, but if you're drinking this in the evening and this feels to me like an evening drink, yeah, this is where we are at 1130. Uh, but this is an evening drink for me, uh, a summer evening, 75 degrees outside, just starting to cool down. Pour one of these or pour one or 12 of these. Get loose, have fun. That's my other thing for the week, paper plane.
Andrew I like it.
Everett You're welcome.
Andrew The last time I was in Vegas, uh, one of the guys I was with went to the CVS and he got a handle of Jack Campari and, um, or, uh, gosh, what is it? Um, He got Boulevardier mixings and just put it in a pitcher. He made like a jungle juice pitcher of Boulevardier and we would just go to the ice machine when we were at the room and make a cocktail.
Everett That's the way to do it. Also, another drink. Jack wasn't the right call for it. 80 proof is not big enough for a Boulevardier. You need 100 proof. I recommend Wild Turkey if you're gonna do a Boulevardier. A cheap Boulevardier, Wild Turkey, get a handle of that.
Andrew But when your, when your goal is to not find sobriety.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. It'll work. Yeah. You just carry some ice around, throw it on ice. Boulevard also should be strained, but you don't have to, if you don't want to. We didn't. Yeah. Just pour it on ice, drink it.
Andrew It was just in a bucket and we were just, it was, it was a little sloppy.
Everett Andrew, anything you want to add before we go?
Andrew No, this is a fantastic cocktail. I might take a little nap.
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