We like Mido, Now (333)
Published on Fri, 21 Mar 2025 09:37:06 -0700
Synopsis
In this episode of the 40 and 20 watch podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss several recent watch releases and share personal updates. Both hosts had challenging weeks - Everett dealing with his wife's post-surgery recovery and Andrew handling his puppy's emergency surgery after swallowing a rock. They review new watches including releases from Nala Naram, Alba Shorn, Fortis, Unimatic, and others, providing detailed analysis of specifications, design elements, and value propositions. The hosts express particular enthusiasm for the Alba Shorn Thunder Graph chronograph and frustration with an overpriced Unimatic NASA collaboration.
The episode takes a personal turn as Andrew shares his experience with parent-child interaction therapy (PCIT) for his developmentally delayed son, discussing how specific communication techniques have helped. The show concludes with Everett sharing a detailed recipe and cooking method for Hawaiian Huli Huli chicken, describing it as his favorite meal to prepare at home.
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| Andrew | Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the watch quicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend, Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you? |
| Everett | Just crushing it. Just absolutely living the dream, doing great things. Do you have an invalid in your home? I do have an invalid in my home. That's true. That's true. Yeah, that process, I mean, that's going a little bit better. I can't remember when we recorded last. |
| Andrew | You had just come off of your, like you had just gotten home through surgery. Tim was just home. |
| Everett | Yeah, so things were still a little rough. I mean, they are not practically any better, which is to say she can't move around. Although emotionally and mentally they're better. So she's clearer headed. Um, you know, we're sort of getting into a routine and you're not still in three hour alarms for medication. Correct. Off of that. Yeah. Um, there is also maybe a bit of a pragmatic improvement to that as well. |
| Andrew | Just because like, yeah, you can sleep, she can manage her own pain, all of that. She is in good spirits and all of that. |
| Everett | all of that. So we're still, you know, we're still a little over a week into a six-week complete non-mobility, non-ability to drive the Toyota Highlander to school and or to practices. So that has not improved. But yeah, outside of that, things are kind of, I don't know what the right phrase is, but just settled a bit, yeah. Certainly not back to normal. Steady state. Or anything like normal, but getting closer, right? That's the dream. Like for instance, if she needs to go to the bathroom, she can just do that completely by herself at this point. That's helpful. Right? That's helpful. At this time last week, that wasn't true, so. Yeah, yeah, Andrew, how are you? |
| Andrew | I'm I'm a little since since we spoke last, I had also a bit of a weird week. I got to work on Monday night like I leave the house. Say bye to everyone. 15 minutes later, I'm walking into the locker room and my wife calls and is like, hey. I was like, wait, what? She's like, I need I think I need you to come home. We need to take Doug to the vet like right now. Like what? She's like, yeah, he won't eat his dinner. And he's like billowing drool. And he's now collapsed on the tile. And Doug is my nine month old black lab puppy. So the drool was not out of the ordinary, but the collapse on the tile and not eat those were like, oh, that's not good. She calls the emergency vet and they were like, yeah, bring him in. It's like, okay, cool. I get him in the emergency vet and by now it's like 8.30 p.m. And they're like, well, what's going on? Like, I think he could have eaten a rock. That's the only thing that makes sense. I've seen him do it before. Usually he pukes them up. This one seems, that's what I think we're seeing right now. And they're like, okay, we're in there. And they bring in a little ultrasound on a stand and they're ultrasounding his intestines. And there's a sphere and the doctor's like, hmm, You know, you see here, there's that, there's that interesting shape. And then if I move over here, there's not that interesting shape. And I was like, that's a rock dude. Like I'm not a doctor. I'm not, I don't know how to read scans, but I do know how to look at a picture of rock on a screen and go, Oh, that's a rock. He's like, all right, we're going to get him back in for an x-ray. He comes out and he's got his phone. He's like, yeah, you can see here this little, this bright spot. I'm like, I understand what an x-ray looks like. I kind of hate how patronizing medical professionals are. And I know it's like, they're talking to people all the time who have no idea what's going on. But I'm like, I'm like, just, just fucking tell me like, yep, there is a rock right there. Bad news is it's past his stomach and it's into his intestines. So they can't go in from the top and they can't go in from the back. So they need to rush him into emergency surgery. So I'm like, oh, okay. Fucking great. So I take him back and they hand me their quote sheet that is, the range is from $8,100 to $10,000 to remove this rock. And I was just like, I get home, I can't sleep, obviously. They text me when he goes into surgery, still can't sleep, because I'm just like a bundle of nerves, and they call at like 4.30 in the morning, like surgery went really well, everything's looking the way it should. I get him home the next day, and he has exercise and movement restrictions, because he has like a 10 inch incision on his abdomen, and then a couple inch incision on his intestines, and the intestines are sutured, and then the abdomen is all stapled. So my challenge for the last week has been trying to keep a nine month old black lab puppy calm. |
| Everett | Oh! What do you do? How do you do it? I mean, it's crazy. |
| Andrew | Yes. So we were on a similar, like every three hour medication regimen for two days. And now we're down to like once a day. But he's good. I have the rock. |
| Everett | I did put it- It's like baseball size. Just so people at home realize. |
| Andrew | The ball or the rock is a little larger than a golf ball. |
| Everett | Okay. |
| Andrew | You can see it. It's on my mantle. I got a baseball display case for it. Uh, and now it's on my mantle because it's the most expensive single item. Why does he eat rocks? Cause he's just. I'm toys in the backyard, but he like picks up a rock and he throws them. And I think he likes the way they bounce irregularly on the concrete. And what I think is that he threw it, caught it, and it just landed deep enough in his throat. He's like, well, that one's going down and just swallowed it. Cause he's eaten smaller rocks before and then thrown them up and be like, that didn't work for me. I'm going to not do that. So, uh, he is good though. I mean, you saw him this morning. |
| Everett | He was good. |
| Andrew | I forgot almost that he had had surgery. He was just dug. Yeah. And his little fenced off area. And that's part of the problem is we have to keep him segregated so he can't jump on the furniture. Can't play with the other dog. So he's just says like severe FOMO and he hates being in a cone. |
| Everett | Yeah. |
| Andrew | As most animals do so fucking sucks Anyway, that was my week It was just a weird and I just had like a one of those weird like 36-hour stomach bugs that are just kind of going around So like it's just been a blur of a week I'm almost thankful for having been a little sick so I could just spend 24 hours in bed |
| Everett | Well, in any event, we're not here to talk about dog eating or rock eating dogs or leg injuries or anything of the sort. Rather, we're here to talk about watches and watches. We will talk about, uh, Andrew, Andrew, uh, for this, um, 8 billionth episode of 40 and 20, the watch clicker podcast. Do you want to kick us off with a watch you'd like to talk about? |
| Unknown | I do. |
| Everett | I, uh, I saw this, I saw some pictures of this watch. |
| Andrew | and was immediately really intrigued and that's not a typical like the i'm usually interested or like oh i like that or i don't like that this watch intrigued me it's from a new brand called nala naram and they have launched a new brand with their inaugural watch kalam minutes timer And so this is a Swiss-made watch by an Indian company, and it is a terrific chronograph. I want to drop you right into, like, first off, this is our brand's first watch. So we're obviously going to start with a Le Jouperet L112 movement. Case dimensions on this are fantastic. 39 millimeter case, 1275 thick without the sapphire. So it's going to be a little thick. 45 lug to lug. Dome sapphire on the front and back. 100 meters of water resistance. Problem here. Problem. 18 millimeters lug width. Kind of a bummer. 4,300 Swiss francs. And I don't know what I was expecting because when you look at this watch top down, it's very. like the word I'm looking for is modern, but, but also really, uh, controlled, right? It has vintage feels with this, with the color combinations they've used with this super, super high polish round bezel on the, on the chronograph. It feels like fifties, sixties racing with really modern design. And then you move into these, What would you call these lugs like clawfoot lugs? Yeah, shaped almost separate from the case. This perfect round case, they look like they should be hooded lugs, but they're not really steeply high angle claws coming off of it and. The pushers are these really great rectangles that are counterbalanced on the other side of the case with like a coin edge case side. This is a really cool first release. I'm with it. |
| Everett | Yeah, I would call these claw lugs. They've got that mid-century American architecture, I think they call this like architectural case. Definitely sort of part of that art deco movement when you look at these mid century American watches, at least. However, this is Not that, this is really, there's a lot going on here, Andrew. I think that's what I would say about this watch. I mean, you've got so many different styles that have been combined here. It's actually a mishmash of styles that have been combined in a way that for me are a little off-putting. But with that said, I don't hate it either. It's just, it's a lot to take in. For me, it's a lot to take in. There's nothing offensive. In fact, every, every element I find really attractive, but the sum of the parts I think is a little, it's just almost confusing. I find this watch confusing. |
| Andrew | Almost. Aesthetically confusing. I'm, I'm with you on that, but it's like, it's the way that, that barrel whiskey is like that. It's a little weird and I think I really like it. |
| Everett | Speaking of which, I would like to have a dram of that, maybe before I go, but at some point relatively soon. Yeah, I don't know. And so, lots of thoughtful details. There's a weird, really kind of cool element here, which is the the third minute being highlighted in orange printing. This is a reference to I think an antiquated phenomena in India, when they they called them trunk calls. And in the at some point in the past, phone calls, long distance phone calls in India were limited to three minutes. And I don't know if that was an infrastructure limitation or whatever. But these trunk calls could only be three minutes. And that's what these orange minutes indicate. I really like stuff like that. I really like stuff like that. |
| Andrew | Oh, and the running second is in the sub-dial. It's a chakra wheel. Yeah. Just constantly rotating. So you don't have a read of the running second. Practically, yeah. Just that it is rotating. |
| Everett | Yeah, and theoretically. Well, you know, the only... I do wish they would have provided you on that chakra something just even a even a color dot or yeah change the color on one of the on one of the the pie slices or whatever but it is what it is um it's kind of a fun it is a fun element but but it it without that indication you it's lacking some practical uh application yeah just run your chronograph It's a beautiful watch. It looks to me like it's incredibly well made. I don't have any problem with this watch, except that for me, aesthetically speaking, it's a little bit confusing. And this is not a cheap watch either. This is like a $5,000 watch. Yeah. Weird. |
| Andrew | Cool. Weird. Interesting. I'm for it. I think that's a cool, a cool new release. Cause it's got a good story behind it and good design. And I think the brand will refine its design and kind of reconcile some of these mishmashy things in future iterations or, |
| Everett | line items, perhaps. I'm gonna try to talk about one that's maybe not on your list, because we do have quite a bit of overlap this week, Andrew. I think I have one. Orient. Orient. You know, last time we talked about Orient, we talked about a Bambino, and we lamented that they didn't use the 38 millimeter case. Well, they did it again, guys. They released two limited edition, 75th anniversary Bambinos. One is a sun and moon. The other is, anyway, 38 millimeter or 40 millimeters on the standard. And I think we actually, we talked about, we talked about the color ways, but there wasn't a, I don't think a moon phase released at the time. The sun and moon is a 41 and a half millimeter, Bambino, come on, come on. I just don't understand why they would do this. The 38 millimeter Bambinos have restored the Bambino in the Orient line, and yet they're gonna lean back into their 90s, 2000s oversized watches. For the anniversary editions. I'll just say, both of these watches are stunning. They are absolutely gorgeous. They're F6724 and an F6B24 for the Sun and Moon. They're stunning. They're beautiful, beautiful watches. I'm a little... butthurt about the sizing on these, because I think these are really, really fun watches. That's how Orient does it. At 38, you know, I think you do 38 on the three-hander and maybe the 40 on the Sun and Moon. Anyway, whatever. 345 euros on the three-hander, 425 on the Sun and Moon. Those are manufacturer's suggested retail prices. I don't know if that's what these will wind up being. Under 500 for this. is great in-house movements. We still are getting Mineral Crystal on these. I think Orient would do itself a favor to occasionally release sort of special editions with Sapphire. |
| Andrew | I think that that would be... An LE for the birthday seems like a reasonable time to finally drop Sapphire in. |
| Everett | Yeah, that's right. Give us Sapphire just every once in a while. And I know that it wouldn't increase the cost of these watches that much. I mean, we're talking about, you know, these are still 500... Euro watches with Sapphire both of them probably The Sun and Moon might be just a hair above that. Yeah 525 and I must MSRP but you know, we're looking at that point maybe 425 on the three-hander and just over 500 euro on the On the sun and moon, that would be fine, but whatever. I don't make these decisions. You know, I think with sapphire and appropriate sizing, people would be like, sick. Yeah, I think most of Orion's line is like that. Instead, instead we get these beautiful watches that are like, Yeah. I'm a fan boy, but I don't want that. Yeah. I just don't want that. It's not for me. Like if, if I'm a beginner looking at an Orient, I'm going to buy, I'm going to go to Joma and Penn spend, you know, 115 bucks or whatever. I'm not gonna get this. And if I'm an enthusiast, I'm like, I just can't stomach mineral crystal at this point because the first time I bash a door, it's gonna scratch the mineral crystal for forever. And I can't dig the size. So I don't know. I struggle with these releases. I don't think there's very many of these. |
| Andrew | There's four colorways of the sun and moon. Then there's the five colorways that are that exist in the new like the anniversary edition. The white, though, is the L.E. Yeah. |
| Everett | Yeah. Fifty five hundred or ninety five hundred pieces respectively. So fine. It's fine. It's fine. |
| Andrew | I have one that surprised me. Beaver Automatique? Biver Automatique? Uh, sure. Biver. I think that's probably closer. So this is a brand that I wasn't familiar with. And I just see introducing the Biver Automatique Japan Edition Minimalism and Maximalism Collide. And I looked at these watches and they're stunning. Just absolutely boring, beautiful, just the way that I want it. Great lines on the case, great simplicity to the dials. I'm not a super fan of the black and gold, but this steel and white, I'm like, ooh, I'm here for it. And I think it's because there's a, there's an actual visible minute track on the white and the black dial minute track is kind of like a ghosty gray. So it doesn't really exist. Uh, you just don't see it. Um, then I start looking at this and uh, this is, this brand is from Jean Claude and Pierre Bevere. Uh, Started a watch brand. They had a release in 2023. Apparently we missed it. I have no memory of it and I'm looking at this watch and All the technology that's going into this movement into what's powering the watch is really what's exciting it's like we're doing all these new things where we've got a hang on Get down to the movement here in-house JCB 003 automatic bi-directional winding, hacking seconds, zero reset, 65 hour power reserve, 36 joule, 22 karat gold micro rotor, and all the finishing. When you look at pictures of this movement, it's just stunning. And this is a brand I know nothing about. So I'm just looking, I'm just reading about this watch and reading through, I'm like, man, I wonder how much this is going to cost. 89,000 Swiss francs in rose gold and 92,000 in platinum. So I was excited about this watch. Like, Oh, this is like, they're doing some stuff here. And now I realize how they're doing all of this stuff because just the finishing alone in this micro rotor movement is amazing. |
| Everett | You know, when Jean-Claude Biver left LVMH, or I can't remember if he was at Hublot or... Yeah. When he left LVMH in, I don't know, 2020, I think everybody, you know, Biver, I think maybe has a mixed rep in watches, right? On one hand, he is really in a lot of ways responsible for sort of restoring brands like Blancpain Omega and his footprint on TAG is really good as well. But I think on the other hand, I think he's seen as, you know, maybe some of the problem that we saw in Watches in particular when it comes to Tag Heuer I think that he has to take some of the credit at least maybe that's my opinion So I don't know if yeah when you're when you're there reputation it shares that but but I do think that some of the excess of like the commercialized watch industry falls on his lap. With that said, when he left, you had to imagine one of two things was going to happen. Either Jean-Claude Biver was going to leave and go away forever, or he was going to start something just absolutely cool. And right, he did. So this is not a This is not an accessible watch, Andrew. No. I know. Top down, you look at this thing and you're like, oh, this is a minimalist mid-century this, this has a bit of that claw foot thing we were just talking about. Um, but then you turn it over and you're like, Oh, there it is. Oh, okay. Okay. |
| Andrew | Um, yeah. And, and hidden on the dial is applied markers to an enamel, the dial, and they pioneered this method to be able to make it doable. It is just like, totally nondescript, pure luxury from the inside out. |
| Everett | Yeah. You know, you have to have a name like Jean-Claude Bivert to sell a watch like this, I think. Fortunately, he has that name. That is his name. It turns out that's his name. And so, Here you go. The article, this Fratello article you sent me talks about this philosophy. It doesn't matter what it costs, if it can make the watch better, let's do it. |
| Andrew | I don't know if Englage on every single piece of the movement makes it better, but I sure like looking at it. |
| Everett | Well, and I guess the there's room in the world for watches like this. Mm hmm. I mean, at the I'll make space in my watch box right now. But, you know, this is a you know, at the end of the day. This is a heavily ornamented, fairly simple, quote unquote, in-house. I mean, whatever. This seems like a little bit of a dick move to me. It's beautiful. I don't hate it. Yeah. I'm for it. This is like a pure go fuck yourself watch. It's really, it's just lovely. And they did, you know, they're not just taking the piss, clearly, but this is not a watch for me. This just isn't for me. This is a watch made by a 1%er for 1%ers. If I was a 1%er, this was a watch for me. I'm just not. However, this next watch, is a watch that maybe was made for me. Mito, we talked about Mito a bit in the last year because Mito is a brand, Swatch Group, that seems like, you know, we talked about Mito early on a handful of times, like probably in the first year or two years of the show, we talked about Mito and it was like, What's Mito? Yeah. Maybe we did like a, did we do like a brands we don't know about? I don't think we did a, did a, an episode on them. Anyway. Oh, you know what? I think two broke watch knobs actually did. Um, yeah, that's not us. We didn't, that wasn't us. We're not. Anyway, you know, Mito was just kind of weird and stodgy and just like felt to me like one of these brands that like existed, but didn't really, anyway, they, that's changed. That's changed in the last few years. Um, they released that decompression timer that we, we talked about on this show and just loved the beautiful, excuse me, the beautiful colors. Um, you know, their ocean star line has like expanded recently and we really liked a lot of those. Um, we talked about one of the multi forts too, but now, now, now they've released a, uh, What? What are we going to call this? An integrated bracelet sports watch with a geometric bezel? You're like, okay, okay. But, but this is no PRX. |
| Andrew | No, no, it's certainly not. This is no PRX. It has Tissot feels though. It has like very Powermatic-y feel. Well, that's crazy because it's powered by a Powermatic. |
| Everett | Um, yeah, this, this thing is under 10 millimeters, which instantly, instantly, I'm like, Was that, that was my Tim the Toolman. |
| Andrew | Are you watching that on Netflix? No. It just came back. It did not age well. I will not watch that show. I've watched several episodes. It's been background noise. |
| Everett | It did not age well. It's 40 millimeters. It's got a super short lug to lug. It is, Got this really deep dial. It's a twin stick, so you've got an internal rotating minute bezel. I do kind of wish that that was a 12-hour bezel. |
| Andrew | Is it on the left side of the case? |
| Everett | No, no. Both crowns are on the right. So you've got two o'clock for your time, and then four o'clock, actually, I'm probably reversed there. four o'clock for your time, two o'clock for your bezel. We're looking at different watches. I'm guessing. Well, I'm looking at... The pixel dial? No, that's a different Mido watch. I am looking at... the integrated sports multi-fort eight, two crowns. |
| Andrew | Oh, see, now we're on the same page. You were very polite, Andrew. Everything you were saying was not making sense to me, but it kind of was. I'm for it. |
| Everett | Well, and so, okay, wait. I don't even need to tell you anything else about this watch. It's a 40 millimeter integrated sports, octagonal bezel thing. Okay. You know, everything you need to know, except that it's 1200 bucks. It's under 10 millimeters. It's from Mido and it's terrific. And it's terrific. |
| Andrew | The color matching of the crowns on the blue and black dial is money. |
| Everett | Yeah, yeah. So we've got a, so okay, so they did make one decision that I don't like. We've got like sort of a navy blue. Which is really good. A really beautiful blue, but it only comes on a rubber strap. And like Andrew said, it's got color match DLC crowns. But we've also got a great like dusty petrol gray dial. I was gonna call it like sea foamy green, gray. Sure, sure, sure. No DLC on those crowns though. No DLC on the crowns, but it comes on a bracelet. And then we've got black with black crowns on a bracelet. So the decision I don't like is to not have them both available on. with strap in yes but whatever because it's quick release so like give me a strap and just do it do it right give me a strap and a bracelet both for for 1200 bucks anyway but so we've got 1190 on a rubber strap for the blue and 1220 on the bracelets yeah that's that's all i have to say |
| Andrew | That's all I have to say about this. It's great. It's a bummer decision on the rubber strap only for the blue. |
| Everett | Yeah. Well, and, and I think the crown coding decision is weird. It is divisive as well. I think on the blue it's less divisive, but certainly on the black, I don't know. I don't know that everyone's going to like that. I think for a sport watch though, it's totally appropriate and it works. I'm not saying it's inappropriate. I'm just saying people are not, some people are not going to like it. It's thinking it's a divisive decision. So some people don't like it because it's Mido. Mido? |
| Andrew | I'm not sure we've ever settled on it. Sure. Oh, what I'm going to talk about next. Okay, so This is what I thought we were initially talking about that certainly looks power Mataki a fun Mido commander 1959 pixel dial and when you said a twin stick because I wasn't really listening to what you're like this thing barely has a Where did they recess the other crown. That's why I asked such a stupid fucking question. Is it on the left? And you're looking at two big ass crowns on the right side of the watch. Like no idiot. Uh, sometimes we get our wires crossed and rarely are we paying attention to the other. |
| Everett | And I, I don't know for sure, but I, I would be willing to bet a lot of money that this is the first time we've ever had two separate Mito entries on a show. |
| Andrew | There's no way we've had to, uh, yeah. So I'm just, I'm trying to sit in your perspective for a minute listening to the questions I'm asking you. |
| Everett | Yeah. It's got two. They're right there. What are you talking about? Or I thought maybe because they're like the color, like I thought maybe you had the brightness on your phone down. That wasn't it. Uh, Look look so you didn't pick this watch so I can I can Jump in here cuz I don't even know what to say about this. So this is a Mido Commander 1959 this is a watch that you may have seen if you're following Mido. It is a lug-less watch it's basically just a disc with a bracelet that sort of sticks out like a Link bracelet that just sort of pokes out. It's got a crown that is very seriously recessed It's just this is just a circle. It's just a three canned circle watch. The 1959 Commander is a beautiful watch, but it's very minimalist in terms of case shape. They're 37 millimeters, they're 10 and a half thick, ultra short because of no lugs, or at least no protruding lugs. But this one has a trick up its sleeve. It's got a From a distance, it sort of looks like a grid, and I guess it is a grid, but the squares on the grid are different sizes. They're sort of randomly sized, perhaps like if you were gonna paint an audience, an abstract audience for a basketball game, and you were just gonna use shapes, some of them would be bigger, some of them would be brighter, some of them would be darker, just to, That's what this is. |
| Andrew | Or if you're imagining a lighted disco dance floor. |
| Everett | And it ranges from blue to pink. Yeah, or a lighted disco floor, maybe like an abstract. So it runs from blue to pink, a range of colors, a gradient of colors, interspersed, interspersed. So you get some purples, you get some pinks, you get some blues. And they are not 100%, but randomly blue and pink loomed. And so with Super LumiNova, with colored Super LumiNova, so you get this really, really like attractive and interesting dial. And then at night, the hands light up, the 12-hour markers have a green or a C, probably one-ish lume, but then you also get this pink and blue that pops from the dial. I wish such a stupid watch, but it's so cool. |
| Andrew | I my only complaint with that loom pattern is that I wish that they would have Done a better job dispersing. |
| Everett | Yeah. Yeah, it just pink and blue. |
| Andrew | It's pink and blue Top right half is pink and the bottom left half is blue. Oh |
| Everett | I think this whole thing is pad printed. The, sorry, the logos are applied and the actual markers are applied, but I think everything else is pad printed. It may have been, it may have been- Might be impossible to ask. I don't know if they have, what possibilities for superluminal color you have, but here's the other thing, it's 800 bucks. Yeah, that's the cool part. You start fucking with this too much, and it's gonna be, I guess, 800 euro. You start messing with it too much, and it's gonna really bump that price. This winds up being a super accessible, well, relatively accessible, relatively affordable watch. It's a sub-thousand dollar novelty. Yes, but it's a novelty I like. I mean, I would just wear this. A lot of times, novelty watches, I'm like, meh. I'd wear this fucking watch. This is rad. This is cool. I like this so much better than the more austere, you know, stodgy commanders that just don't do it for me at all. Like this watch, Andrew, I'm just going to show Andrew. pass yeah no big boring pass i've just showed him a regular muto commander all day pass even the like ombre the dlc ombre pass no i hate i i'm not an ombre but this one i'm i'm into it Okay. So that was really my watch. I got a double. So what's, what's next for you? |
| Andrew | Okay. Next up for me is the Alba shorn thunder graph. |
| Everett | So, so we've talked about Alba shorn, I think twice now on the show or did we miss them the first time around? Ooh, maybe the first time around we missed them. I think maybe we did. But when we did finally catch up, we were like, fuck, This is cool. Sorry, I didn't mean that. |
| Andrew | So Albashorn famously produced watches to be taken to the early summits of Western explorers, treks up Mount Everest. Except that they didn't. And they didn't make it. Yeah. They, they, uh, 250 meters shy of the summit. And, uh, you know, that happens because, uh, I think more people don't summit Everest than do. Yeah. |
| Everett | So quickly, so quickly, so quickly, a little bit of history on this. The the Edmund Hillary and. Tenzing Norgay famously summit Everest in 53. We all know Smith's Watch Rolex. We all know, but but in 52, Tenzing Norgay was also on. was also on the nearly 250 meters south of that summit. So I, so I love what, I love this, like missed opportunity storytelling that Albuchorn is doing here. Like, yeah, oh yeah, we were there. Of course, Albuchorn is a one-year-old company that did not, that 0% of existed in 1952, but that it's a perfect, it's a perfect story. Cause it's like, Yeah, maybe that could have happened. I Love it. Yes. |
| Andrew | I love it. So This watch we'll get into the spec sheet 39 millimeter case 12 millimeters thick. Ooh. Ooh, here's the interesting part 316 L stainless steel Sunburst petroleum blue dial golden applied Indices, Fotina Superluminova, 100 meters of water resistance. I'm kind of at a loss for anything I don't like about this watch. We have crown at the 1030, a pusher, got really nice flat mono pusher in red and about the nine little little north of the nine. It's just it's kind of asymmetric. This gradient angle down toward the dial on the bezel is absolutely fantastic. It kind of acts the way the Christopher Ward light catcher case does and just pulls your eyes and light down into the center of the case. The color is fantastic. Even the Fotina works for me on this watch. And these are Cost certified, 36.50 Swiss francs. They're only gonna do 99 of these over three years, which is kind of a bummer. I don't know what movement they're working off of. They're calling it their proprietary, uh, Albashorn 03M. |
| Everett | I think it is a Le Joux Paré 7750 architecture. I'm pretty sure it's from Le Joux Paré. Um, but, but based, but very heavily based on the 7750, which you're like, wow, what? Until you, uh, until this is what you have to do, Andrew. You have to look at the case side. Yes. So essentially it's a mono pusher 7750. So if you take that, um, crown and turn it Andrew to three o'clock to where it would be at three o'clock, all of a sudden you've got a nine 12. Oh yeah. Right. So, so basically they've taken a 7750 and, and change the orientation. So you get this really bizarre, 430 or 437 30, like double the two sub register. And they did this same thing with the, with their last chronograph. It's the exact same. I think the case is very similar. I think the movement is oriented the same way. So, but, but yeah, you have to, this is your two o'clock pusher and your crown on a 77 50. You just have to, |
| Andrew | No, what this is is a left-handed chronograph. |
| Everett | I actually think it works for a right-hander because look, look, look, it's my thumb. I, I can, I can activate this with my thumb all day. |
| Andrew | The crown's a pain in the dick, but the pusher, this is a left-handed chronograph. I'm even okay with a California dial here. I don't know how they nailed it, but it just, it works for me. |
| Everett | They're calling it a ghost California dial because there's no Arabic. |
| Andrew | Yeah. |
| Everett | They, The Arabics are not there because the sub dials cover them. |
| Andrew | Maybe that's why I'm OK with it. We don't have the weird California nonsense. I'm I'm. I'm good with this watch top to bottom. It's a little ugly on the profile. It is. Cause it's super tooly. It's 77 50 thick with like a, a satellite dish bezel coming off of it. But I'm, I'm good with it. |
| Everett | Yeah. You referred to the light catcher and I actually think this almost as an opposite thing though as a light catcher because of the way that the bezel dog bowls, I think it makes it aesthetically bigger than it actually is. |
| Andrew | It is I mean like in the in the I like the way it just plays with light and just fills your entire dial up But we've talked about we've talked about like The light catcher case being watch Spanx. |
| Everett | It is. Yeah famously said that to Mike France. I think we made him laugh Being polite maybe But this is like a watch bodysuit. I Right. This is like fake muscles. Yeah. This is maybe this is like the George Clooney Batman costume. |
| Andrew | Yeah. I look so good in that. |
| Everett | I think it's terrific. I love it. I love the story. I love that. Yeah. In 1952 we were there, but not quite, but like we really tried our very best. And of course Albus Jordan didn't exist. Um, I love it. I love it. |
| Andrew | What was the story of the other one? The other one was a fun story too. |
| Everett | Yes. Well, so they had their regatta timer and then the other one was a remake of the type 20 chronographs, you know, like an evolution of the type 20 chronograph. So this is, I think they're doing- If we were there kind of thing. If we were there. They're just, it's such a cool, It's such a cool concept for a company and it really I love the making it up because so often brands do a thing. And in fact, I think the next watch we're going to talk about falls in this. So often brands do a thing where they're trying to connect to an actual thing that happens and it just feels forced. And it rubs me the wrong way. |
| Andrew | The way Grand Seiko tells the story of their colors. |
| Everett | Yes, yes. It's like, okay, I see you, but just, can you just give me a cool watch? |
| Andrew | I don't need a story. The story helps this watch. |
| Everett | It helps it. Because it's fun. It's not fake, or it is fake, but in a way that makes it not fake. |
| Andrew | Yeah, it feels like it could be real. |
| Everett | Or it just makes it more fun. It makes it more fun because they're not trying to draw a connection to a real thing that you're like, Oh, okay. |
| Andrew | I don't care if somebody in mission command was wearing that watch. It doesn't mean that's close to a moon watch. |
| Everett | Now, I do think there's a couple of things I don't love here. I don't love the old radium loom. I do think their colors are a bit of a mismatch for me. For me, that petrol dial is fantastic, but then you have the gilt and the old radium, and it takes a little something away from me. Um, but I'm, I don't totally object. I also would do away with the red on the bezel, but these are, these are, these are little things, Andrew. |
| Andrew | I'm good with it. This red mono pusher. Hmm. Okay. Um, I trade my rock for one of these. |
| Everett | Unimatic. We like Unimatic. We do like Unimatic. Unimatic makes really cool, really affordable tool watches and they do it kind of different than anybody else does. And yes. Okay. Thanks. Unimatic. Thank you. Um, I think their best work is often their collab work. They released a watch with Masino Lab. Messina Lab is sort of a design house. They work on watches. They do mostly collaborations. I hate it. They made a NASA watch for the Artemis mission set to land on the moon in 2026, and I don't like it. I don't like it, Andrew. I don't want it. I don't like it, and I'm a little grumpy about it. Go on. So this is a Cerakoted This is a Cerakoted watch that Unimatic already sells for $650 and it's gonna cost you $1,295. |
| Andrew | Yeah, it's a Quattro, it's Cerakoted and I think the big expense there is the NASA licensing. |
| Everett | I don't think fucking any anybody can get a NASA license. They they pan those things out. This is a I don't have one. This is a $1300. This is a 1300. Seiko NH 34. Yes. But Unimatic just sold their U1 GMT with an NH34 for 675 bucks. Are you telling me that Cerakoting a fucking watch isn't gonna cost 1400 bucks? There's a reason that more companies don't do Cerakoted watches, by the way. Cerakote does not last on watches. So this is gonna chip and wear down. You might like that. Frankly, I like that. However, this is a $1,300 NH34. Come on, I don't do it, man. I don't do it. I don't like the old radium. I don't like the busy dial. I don't, this feels very un-unimatic to me. And then with the Cerakoting, so. And it's only an orange, right? It's just an orange Cerakote. I'm fine with orange. I'm fine with orange. Make decisions, but you're going to piss on our backs. Now they're not making very many of these hundred 99. Yeah, 99 of these. So someone will get it. Someone will like it if you want in your case, that's fine. It's got NASA licensing, but let's be clear, this isn't the watch. The astronauts are gonna wear, it's not a space watch, it's not, this is a GMT watch, and that doesn't make sense to me either. Why would it be a GMT? Why would the, there's no mission timer, there's no, like what? It's just confusing to track moon time and Earth time. It's like, it's like they they were working together. They were like, let's do this watch. Let's do an NH 34 that Sarah coded. But let's let's license it. And they like Snoopy turned them down. Uh, F one turned them down. Yeah, yeah, that's right. And, and they're like, Oh, NASA will do it. And they're like, yeah, fuck it. Put a NASA. Oh yeah. Artemis is 2026. Yeah, that's perfect. And that's probably not fair. It's probably not true either, but that's how it feels to me. Like this just doesn't make any fucking sense. |
| Andrew | And it's a little bit of a miss for me too. Wow. |
| Everett | Wow. 1300 bucks for an NH 34. Wow. Um, like that's like, that's how much a three 30 would be. Yeah. That's how much a three 30 dash one would be like an overpriced three 30 dash one. Wow. But it's a collab. |
| Andrew | Next. So I have to tell you, I am not excited at all about any of the other three things we have to talk about. |
| Everett | The Fortis. Oh, okay. The Fortis. The N42 Novanot Titanium Legacy from Fortis. Look, this is a Novanot. |
| Andrew | This is a brand we don't talk about enough. |
| Everett | We don't. We don't. Maybe they're not doing enough. I know why we don't talk about them, and I'll get to it. So Fortis makes really, really cool watches. Our friend Evan, who used to write for us, now I believe is helming What's the name of that? Huffington Post. Of that blog. Oh, it'll come to me, the one that Mike used. Oh, Tempest Fujit. Tempest Fujit. Evan's terrific, super smart, and he has long espoused the virtues of Fortis as a brand to me. I feel these are really cool watches. They make really, really top-end watches. actual space watches, by the way. Actual space watches, like mission timers approved, blah, blah, blah. They have their Novanaut line, they're steel, they're beautiful. I think last year, two years ago, they made a Mars analog mission timer that was limited edition. We talked about it on the show. And we were like, this watch is sick, because it was a titanium, it was a Novanaut, but in titanium. But it was limited, and we're like, boo. Well, they've made that watch now in a non-limited version, and it is great. If you take a watch, any watch of your choosing that has a chronograph function and a bracelet, a diver's, take a diver's chronograph, that's what I'm saying. Take a diver's chronograph, anyone, and critique things about it. because they all have things that they do wrong. Divers, chronographs, fuck things up. This fixes all of those things. This watch fixes every complaint that I've ever had. So we've got a terrific looking bracelet with small links. The links aren't oversized. |
| Andrew | Is it a titanium bracelet? |
| Everett | Titanium. Okay. It has a Female N-Link. It has a informative and yet not busy dial. It has got a perfect bezel made out of ceramic. It's got simple hands. It has got a chronograph seconds hand that you can see but that also cleverly gets out of the way. Um, it's got a wall size crown. Sometimes the crowns on these are too small. Uh, it's got pushers that don't stick too far out and they're also sort of a column and a sleeve pushers as opposed to like button pushers that stick out and sort of catch on things. Um, this, this watch is great. It is terrific. Here's why we don't talk about Fortis. This is a $5,000 watch. Yeah. This is a, even a little bit more than that, right? |
| Andrew | This is a, yeah, on a, on the titanium legacy, 5360 us dollars. |
| Everett | Yeah. So, so like for little over five grand, there are a lot of watches out there. I don't know, man, this blue is fucking stunning. It's, It's perfect. It's so good. It is so, so, so good. But I just think it's got steep competition, man. I think that's why we don't talk. Look at the case construction. 42 millimeter case. Yeah, this is. Look at the finishing on this thing. Full brushed, no polish on this thing. It's fantastic. But the case finishing is phenomenal. phenomenal. It's, it gives you an overbuilt vibe without being obnoxiously overbuilt. |
| Andrew | I, at this, in this price range, you know, you're competing with black Bay, you're competing with Pelagos for this, this tool watch category. Cause that's very much what it is. Totally. Um, Zen. Yeah. You're competing with every Zen in, in the zone. Um, that shit you're, you're, uh, Seamaster level there. I mean, you're competing with some really heavy hitters. You have to be really deliberately looking for an indestructible watch. I don't know. |
| Everett | I think this is why we don't talk about Fortis though, because they don't have the brand cache of Zen or Omega in my mind. And maybe that's subjective. I put these guys sort of, I know they're not a micro brand, but that's sort of how I, that's sort of how I put them. I don't put them on par with Omega. I put them on par with Formex, right? Yeah. But they're not. They're not at all Formex. But they're not. This is a big no shit brand making big no shit watches. And this is. And they're sending stuff into space to test them. |
| Andrew | This is a real, real watch that's real good. I have to say though, as much as I like this watch for this dollar, I'm going to get a Pelagos. |
| Everett | Yeah, I mean, I think I don't get a Pelagos, because I don't like a Pelagos. I want something cooler. I'm just not sure this is what I want. So like a little bit too cool for you, but not quite cool enough. If this was $3,500. Oh, yeah. I'm like, yeah. But it wouldn't be this cool of a watch at $3,500. It wouldn't. That's right. I don't think it's overpriced. I just think I have a hard time with this watch, probably because of the way I unfairly have characterized Fortis in my brain. Anyway, I, I'm fine if you want to, I'm fine. Let me just, is there anything else we talked about that one? We talked about that one. I've talked about all mine. Yeah. There's just, there's two watches. I don't really know. I don't want to talk about that. Everybody talks about that watch. I don't want to talk about it. And then, and then the crayon. Yeah. I mean, we can talk about that. |
| Andrew | I'm closing the tab. It's closed. It's lost. I don't have it anymore. |
| Everett | Yeah. There's a watch that everybody talks about. I don't want to talk about it. Go to any website, that's the watch we're talking about. I don't care about it, don't like it, don't wanna talk about it. Andrew, other things, what do you got? |
| Andrew | Ooh, I have another thing. So my younger son is developmentally delayed and in the state of Oregon, they have a special, it's a classification without diagnosis that allows him to be in special education. Because he's brilliant and outgoing, but has just some things that he's just not quite there. A lot of behavioral stuff, and a lot of people are like, oh, he's just a little boy. It's like, no, this is exaggerated little boy behavior. We tried occupational therapy and that was rough. He loved it because he got to play on swings and ropes and with toys for an hour and then had to go to school and was pissed off that he didn't get to have alone time in this room filled with cool shit to play with. And every day we'd come back from it, every time we'd come back, they're like, yeah, you should buy this, buy this, buy this, buy these things. Make this structural adjustment to your home so you can create this climbing structure. I'm like, yeah, well, that's just not realistic. So they recommended parent-child interaction therapy. I'm gonna send you the link, sorry. And... We've been going now for several weeks, and this is something I would recommend for everyone with kids under six. I don't know if it's available in the actual true clinical sense, so we go to this clinic and they put us in a room. and they have a one way mirror and they give me an earbud and then the therapist and or the student supervised by a therapist just talks to me throughout. But what I wanted to talk about is this communication style that they recommend during this deliberate short period interactive time with your kid. It's called pride language and I'm going to link to it because it is, uh, it's been hugely beneficial and it's something that, would be beneficial for anybody in interacting with kids. So pride is an acronym for praise, describing labeled praise. I really like how you did this thing, not just good job, it's make it's really specifying the language that you're using, reflecting language. Reflection is repeating the last few words that have been used or like a short paraphrase with just a couple words to demonstrate that you're listening, imitation, so parallel play, describe, oh, you're doing this thing, you have a green block, you have a green crayon, and then enjoy. And it has been, so I'm a pretty regimented person. Like, if you give me a task list, or like, hey, these are the parameters you need to work in, makes perfect sense. So, FBI negotiating uses this acronym called MOREpies, and it's these eight, M-O-R-E-P-I-E-S, these eight active listening skills that you employ during negotiation to climb your steps and ultimately achieve influence in which you can resolve it. Um, and that just works for me. I'm like, Oh, those are the things I need to do to have this, this communication parameter six be successful. Cool. Um, adding these very specific skills into it. It was one session and he's immediately using language back or like repeating language that I'm using. Uh, and I do it with my nine year old also. And, It is such a great communication strategy for talking to kids in a way that is not patronizing and that they, it like overemphasizes that you're listening. Cause you know, when you communicate with adults, you just assume they're listening or believe that they are without any reinforcement. And if they're not, who fucking cares? Like I don't care. But with kids, it's different. So using those skills has been hugely beneficial and really easy to implement. It's the difference between saying, good job, and I liked the way you picked that up without being asked. Like just a minor little tweak. |
| Everett | You're hostage negotiating with your son. |
| Andrew | Yeah. No, I do that a lot. Actually going to negotiator courses has done a lot of benefit to communicating with kids as well. But yeah, it's, uh, it's been super cool. And we, you know, we get this hour long, really awesome, just play in this room together with their kind of set toys that they have. Um, It's been a lot of fun. Uh, and if you're, uh, if you've got some young kids who are just kind of struggling to close the gap to where they were like developmentally their age with how old they actually are, uh, that's something worth looking into. |
| Everett | You know, I've got a foster kid at the house. I probably talked about that at the show before, but we've struggled a lot with, um, we struggled a lot with, I what I would call behavior issues. And I realized that, like, whereas the problems not maybe with me, the problems something that he's dealing with, there are things that I can do, oftentimes, like in retrospect, very simple things that we've had to learn how to do because, right? But it makes such a huge difference. So yeah, A, good on you for being, you guys are being so deliberate. And I think Calvin's an interesting case, right? Because he's healthy, he's smart, he's, you know, outside of your life, it's like, Calvin's fine, but good on you guys for doing that. But B, yeah, that sounds rad. But it's cool. I think it's, that was the other thing I was gonna say, these types of things. So learning how to work with our kiddo has made me like better at so many different places, right? It's made me a better, managing partner at work, you know, dealing with HR things, it's made me a better negotiator. When I'm dealing with opposing parties, it's made me a better mediator if I'm if I'm working to resolve an issue. Anyway, terrific. Terrific. I've got another thing. It's totally different. Do me. Andrew, when you think of Hawaiian food, what dishes do you think of? |
| Andrew | Kalua pork, dig a pit in my backyard. |
| Everett | What else? |
| Andrew | Huli huli chicken. |
| Everett | Okay. So I think of Locomoco, Kalua pig, and huli huli chicken. So those are the three. Those are the three I think of. I don't know the stories of any of those. Yeah. Uh, or, or, uh, what was spam musubis? Um, musubi. |
| Andrew | I might make some of that before I go to bed. |
| Everett | The, so huli huli chicken is, I think just every time I've ever had it. So I've had bad kalua pig. For sure. I've had bad Loco Moco, for sure. Fucking where? Ron's, Porter Hemplow. Oh, yeah. However, however, I've never had bad Hooli Hooli Chicken. It's just there's something about Hooli Hooli Chickens. You know, chicken's always easiest, right? But Hooli Hooli Chicken in particular. Hula Hula Chickens is a fascinating thing. So it was invented after World War II in Eva, Hawaii. And it was like a mother's recipe, but it got really popular. And the reason it got popular, or the way it got popular, the vehicle, was fundraising. So for many, many decades, Huli Huli Chicken was the fundraiser food in Hawaii. So if you're raising money for a church, you're raising money for a school, for a community center, for anything, I'm raising funds you're going to do it with huli huli chicken. That's how you raise funds in Hawaii. And I don't think that's the case anymore, or at least that's, that's been lost a little bit over time. It's still probably is the case, but it's not quite that simple anymore. Um, but for decades, that was the fundraiser food. And the reason is, is because you cook them on these huge racks. You cook it over mesquite, which is pretty easy. It's just a mesquite. And you don't slow cook it necessarily, but because it's typically dark meat, you- You can't overcook it. You can't overcook it. That's right. So you put it on racks. Huli means turn. So it is literally turn turn chicken. So I, a few years back, started making huli huli at the house and I use, what I use is boneless chicken thighs. Don't judge me, but the, Cooking, it's better with a bone. So if you use a bone-in chicken thigh, it tastes better. However, boneless chicken thighs are super good. And because of their fat content, you don't need the bone. The bone is not as important as it would be with a more delicate meat. You get this really high fat content. I cook these things, so I don't have a mesquite grill, and so I don't cook them over a mesquite. I cook these on my gas grill. |
| Andrew | I think it's best over gas. |
| Everett | And I use heavy salt and pepper. I set them out so they come almost up to room temperature, not all the way. I set them out for about an hour, maybe an hour and a half. Let them sort of come to temp a little bit. I put a ton of salt on them, a ton of salt on them. And I put black pepper on them. and sometimes I'll put garlic on it, but usually not. And as these things come up, I make a teriyaki sauce. I just use sesame oil, soy sauce, and usually ketchup, but sometimes barbecue sauce, I'm feeling a little funky, and soy sauce. So soy sauce, sesame oil, and ketchup. No ginger? No, no ginger. I don't like ginger, but I do use garlic. But you could totally use ginger. |
| Andrew | So our teriyaki sauce is incomplete without ginger. |
| Everett | I get my gas grill pretty hot, 400-ish degrees, which is like, oh, that's too hot. That's too hot. I go out and I fill up the gas grill with chicken thighs. So I'll usually do like five or six pounds at a time. fill up the grill with chicken thighs and what I do is every six minutes I set an alarm at six minute intervals and I turn it and I do I do six total turns so these things cook for about 35 minutes and in the last two turns so on turn five four and five the penultimate and the ultimate turn I apply my barbecue or my teriyaki sauce so that just sort of, so it doesn't, I don't want it to burn too much. What you get is chicken thighs, the most boring fucking food. These things cost nothing. |
| Andrew | If you buy them at Costco, bone in, skin on, buck 98 a pound, and then you get all the bones and skin for broth. |
| Everett | That's fine, that's fine. |
| Andrew | It's a pain in the ass to debone 36 chicken thighs. |
| Everett | But what I do is I cook boneless, And what happens is they get crispy and crunchy on the outside. The insides, you can't overcook them. I mean, you just, like, you'd have to work to overcook a chicken thigh. You get perfect inside meat, juicy, tasty. At that time, at that time interval, all of the tough bits break down. |
| Andrew | I'm surprised you have them on the grill for that long. |
| Everett | I bring these things, it's crazy, right? That seems like too long. I usually give mine about 20 minutes. I'm telling you, 35 minutes, I bring them inside, they're crackly, crispy, they're now sweet, just a little bit sticky. I do a marinade on mine though. I don't marinate them, and I'll tell you why. Because if you marinate them, the inside gets doughy. |
| Andrew | Instead- If you cook for that long, yeah. |
| Everett | I bring them inside, I chop them into half-inch slices. I just chop each piece of chicken into half-inch slices, opposite of the grain, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, put them in a bowl, and it is the one meal, serve it over rice, it is the one meal that nobody in my house has ever complained about. Yeah, we do a lot of teriyaki chicken, because it makes everyone happy. And teriyaki chicken to me sounds like a chicken breast with teriyaki on it, and I'm like, no fucking thank you. No, big pass. Huli huli chicken, chicken thighs, just try it, you guys, just try it. Go get two or three pounds, cook them on your grill. Yeah, if you're still using chicken breasts for really anything besides like soup. Six turns, six minutes a piece. You're going to think it's too long. Just do it. Just do it. Do it. It is so fucking good, Andrew. It's such a stupid recipe and it take, it's a little bit of pain in the dick too, because for, for a little over a half hour, you're running out to the grill every five minutes. But I just use the oven timer. I set it at six minutes. When it goes off, I set it for six more minutes. I go out and turn everything, come back in. It's terrific. My favorite meal. that I make at home. And it's so simple. It's so simple. I do that pretty regularly. It's zero prep. Besides defrosting. Yeah. You defrost the chicken. That's right. Yeah. Zero prep. You cook the rice. You can start the rice when you start the chicken. So, uh, you know, get the water boiling. Or start your water. |
| Andrew | You still use a pot? |
| Everett | Oh yeah, I use a Dutch oven for rice. |
| Andrew | Yeah, just get a rice cooker. |
| Everett | Nah, Dutch oven is perfect. It is, I agree. |
| Andrew | I'm just saying the ease of use with a rice cooker. I don't want another, I don't want the appliance. I didn't want it either. I finally broke down and bought a new one. I use a crusette, the five and a half quarter, six quarter, whatever it is. So anyway, that's all I got, Andrew. That's, you know, I now want some teriyaki chicken. I'm a little scared to put anything in my belly right now, but. |
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