Ok... This is Coolest Moonwatch (DSKY) (329)
Published on Mon, 17 Feb 2025 22:12:56 -0800
Synopsis
In this episode of the Watch Clicker podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss several new watch releases and developments in the watch industry. They begin by reviewing watches from brands like Makina, Citizen, Omega, and Bell & Ross, with detailed discussions of their designs, movements, and market positioning. A significant portion focuses on the interesting Apollo Instruments DSKY watch, which recreates the Apollo mission computer interface as a wearable timepiece.
The hosts also cover industry news like the closure of Carl F. Bucherer and new releases from various brands including RZE's new Vostra line on Kickstarter. Throughout the episode, they maintain their characteristic casual conversational style while providing detailed technical analysis of the watches discussed.
The episode concludes with an extended discussion about bourbon whiskey, particularly focusing on Jack Daniel's Single Barrel Barrel Proof, comparing it to other bourbons and discussing the aging process of different whiskeys. They also share thoughts on tofu preparation and cooking techniques.
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| Andrew | Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. |
| Everett | Everett, how are you? Let's talk about you first, Andrew. Folks at home, if you didn't notice, Andrew's gone through puberty this week. |
| Andrew | I, uh, well, honestly, so I, my allergies have been really bad this morning and I was fighting back a little bit of a burp through that entire thing. So I have some drippage, some upward pressure, and I wasn't really sure how to address it. So rather than just rerecord or say, give me a minute, cause we do this live. Uh, I just, I just fought through it, you know, that Wario ethos, 40, 20. |
| Everett | Burps clear. |
| Andrew | It's not still there. I got through. Gosh, if I sound like Barry White. |
| Everett | Everett, how are you? I mean, it wasn't a bad sound at all. I could hear it in my headset. I was like, this is bad. It was striking. No, it wasn't bad. Andrew, I'm doing really well. Thank you for asking how I'm doing. I'm doing well. Interesting, interesting set of like work weeks for me. And so it's like the type of weeks where I like am super duper into work, but I've done a really good job of like leaving work and just stopping working. I am not going to work anymore, which has been good. |
| Andrew | Which is hard for somebody who bills by the hour and just kind of can work whenever or whenever you don't want. |
| Everett | Yeah, you know, it is a thing that I take advantage of, right? Like, oh, we need to talk at 6.30? Cool, cool. That's going to be a little bit of frosting on my work day cake. But yeah, no, I'm doing well. Excited to be here. Excited to have some beverages. Excited to talk about watches. |
| Andrew | I'm excited about a beverage that you brung. |
| Everett | Mm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. But get to that, not too many spoilers, Andrew. |
| Andrew | Nothing can spoil it. |
| Everett | Andrew, how are you besides your allergies? |
| Andrew | Yeah, so my allergies have been kind of acting up and I'm tending towards- I said besides your allergies. Well, I'm tending towards blaming it on my dog. Other than that, really good. I'm on the tail end of my weekend. Today is my nap day. So it's Sunday, which is like my favorite day of the week because I get to take a nap, like a long nap. And nobody judges you for it. If you nap on a Saturday, your wife and kids are just like, what are you napping for? There's so much shit to do. But when I nap on nap day, it's like, hey, don't bother daddy, he needs to sleep. It's so great. Daddy's got to work. We had a snow day this week. Oh yeah, we did have a snow day. I did not get to participate in the full enjoyment of it, but I got to watch it accumulate and grow, which I think is one of the coolest things of working at night. is it typically snows overnight. Like very rarely does the snow begin in the morning and accumulate throughout the day. Yeah, you wake up to, oh, snow day. And you're like, oh, look at that. So I got to watch it in real time, accumulate and grow, which was really fun. I had like a kind of a shitty day following that, and then slept through it. But kids enjoyed a snow day and then a late start the following day. |
| Everett | This raises for me a question for you folks at home. I had a conversation with someone this week that they said, you know, certain places in the country, places you think of as snowy places. maybe I think Minnesota was the example, that they don't cancel school, like sometimes there'll be like a foot of snow overnight or maybe even two feet and they'll cancel school. I take the position that anywhere in the country, if you get more than about, eight inches of accumulation, they're shutting schools down. They should. If you're in one of these places, one of these places that we think of as snow places, which has really good infrastructure, this was sort of snidely launched as an assault on our own system, which we get not very much snow, really shuts the city down, especially when it was like we had this week, which was Which was snow on top of a layer of ice, which is a really dangerous circumstance And people were not equipped for it. |
| Andrew | And so because you drive a Subaru doesn't mean you can mob on the ice. |
| Everett | That's right So we did shut down just briefly. It was a day that we shut down and then the next day there was some delays but Really long story short My question to you if you live in one of these snowy places is what's the what's the threshold? Is it is it like? six inches, eight inches. What's the threshold? If you live in an incredibly snowy place where it snows, maybe, you know, you get a significant accumulation in the city multiple times per year, every year. What's the threshold? Is it, and of course I don't imagine it's just strictly an inches. There's a lot of things that go into that, but I would think that the threshold is, |
| Andrew | 10x hours because of the infrastructure they're prepared for it Oregon. We can't salt. So like DEQ says that we can't salt the roads here. So we have to resort to environmentally friendly de-icer which washes away with any precipitation and Yeah. Or some kind of gravel, sand, rock combination. |
| Everett | We don't have the level of, we don't have the level of accumulation to warrant the environmental impacts of a more heavier duty. So it's like, yeah, we're going to take the one or two days per year when things get a little dangerous because we just don't get enough to justify the environmental impacts. |
| Andrew | And we don't have snowplow fleets. If we had regular accumulation. We do, but they're just tiny. |
| Everett | They're not enough to handle any real, uh, any real accumulation? |
| Andrew | No, it's a bumper-mounted skid on an F-350 that also doubles as the de-icer. So I think we just have, in Eugene specifically, and I think it's throughout the entire Willamette Valley, we just don't have the infrastructure in place to deal with regular accumulation. So any accumulation is catastrophic because we're like, oh fuck, what do we do? Like I watched the de-icers roll through all night and then at about two in the morning when it started to rain, they stop because any amount of rain pushes the de-icer away. And then about by about three o'clock in the morning, there was like a quarter inch sheet of ice on the roads. And then it started to snow and it just sat down on top of it. And then come about five o'clock, people start going to work and everyone in their Subaru is like, I got a Subaru, it's all wheel drive. And they're like ping ponging off of the four lane wide curbs. I'm like, Oh, Subaru does not mean |
| Everett | Invincible. You know, I did go out in the Highlander pretty early. I think I went out at about eight o'clock the morning we had the biggest accumulation. And the Highlander's really a pretty decent car for those kind of conditions. And it was fine, right? I went really slow. I took my time. I made sure I stayed far away from the Honda Accord that I saw just skidding across an intersection with its wheels locked up. But it's scary, right? It's a little scary for me because I know I can control me. |
| Andrew | ish to a certain degree. Everyone's like, Oh, I know how to drive in snow. Well, driving in snow is different than driving on ice. Yeah. |
| Everett | Um, and so, yeah, it makes me concerned to go out like, cause I can control myself to a certain degree, but I can't control anybody else. And so that's really outside of my, um, it's really outside of my wheelhouse to, to be on that stuff. So I'm sort of supportive. as they shut the city down or shut the infrastructure down a little bit and with some temperance. Generally speaking, that's an idea that I support. Andrew, we don't normally do wrist checks on the show, but I think we have a couple of fun ones today, so I thought I'd do that. I hope that's okay. You're nodding yes, it's okay. So I've got on a Formex Essence today. Watch I've owned for a long time Many years. Yeah, like four Yeah, maybe three or four something like that. We go to New York. We go to New York in 22 Right when things opened up. Yeah, so two in it. So two and a half years, I guess I But my friend Henry's had this for a while. Uh, he wanted to sort of try it out and I think he, he was satisfied that he tried it out long enough and so he gave it back to me. |
| Andrew | Well, and Henry's also like, I own it for three months and pass it on. So like he really got, he really got the best deal out of this. It was probably the longest he's had a watch. He just borrowed it for three months and didn't have to sink anything into it. |
| Everett | Um, but I got it back and I just, it was instantly reminded at why I love this watch. It is such a good watch. And I don't say that lightly. I mean, I'm doing a wrist check. We don't do wrist checks on this show. You know, This watch is really very well designed in so many ways. It's got some funky elements, and I think not everybody loves some of the funky elements. It's got some angularity to it, but I think it may be a bit of a, oh, what's the thing you love? But there's some idiosyncrasies to it. Yeah, there's some things. The way it wears, it's so compact, but also not small. I mean, you wouldn't call this a small watch, because it's just not. This is the 39 millimeter Essence. It's so thin. The way it hugs the wrist is great. I love all of the shine, and with all of the angularity, It winds up being soft also in a way. Yeah. |
| Andrew | Andrew is such a long hairs. |
| Everett | My hair's long. Um, yeah, it's soft. It takes the angularity and, and, and uses it in a way that actually creates kind of a soft compact package. I just love this watch. I think there are very, Excuse me. I think there are very few watches under $1,500 that are this enigmatic and this good. I mean, just tip to tail, the manufacturing is superior. I mean, which is what Formix is known for, right? |
| Andrew | The finishing on this is every bit as good as you're going to get from that thousand to $4,000 price range. |
| Everett | And mine has been worn a lot. This isn't a safe queen, right? I wear this thing, I throw it around. It sits on my vanity table in the bathroom. I mean, it just, I don't take care of this watch. I wear it hard, I wear it doing whatever. I don't even worry about it. So it's got, it's developed a bit of a patina at this point. It probably needs to be cleaned. Yeah, it's hard to say if it's patina or scum. it's a little of both um but you know there's some scratches on the bracelet there's some scratches on the case um it's just like really settling into its middle life well middle age i would say well i love this watch i love this watch form ex essence if you have if you want to get the best $1,000-ish dollar watch, and it's more like $1,500 probably, I think, if you get these things retail. |
| Andrew | Or just an envelope full of money. I'm not sure how much is in here, but I'm gonna exchange for you, with you, this envelope full of cash for a watch. |
| Everett | I think you can get these on Reddit at pretty close to $1,000 in really good condition. There's no better value at that price. I mean, we talk about Manta a lot. We love Manta. This is in the zone. I think Longines, I think Nevada is putting out some bangers. What's the French brand? Yama. |
| Andrew | Yama. Yama. Yama is way down the line. |
| Everett | I think all of these watches sort of fit into like that next level purchase. |
| Andrew | They kind of created a market segment of themselves, right? You know, it's that in between of really good small brands and luxury brands. Yeah. Formex, Manta. Longines holds in there, but Longines goes way up market. They've created a small segment of the market that's really unique. |
| Everett | I think we get just south of like Oris, Tudor, Longines perhaps. |
| Andrew | Some of the Longines line. You know, I have my first complaint about this watch. I've worn this watch a lot. Tell me. |
| Everett | This clasp is really long. It is longer than you think because it's a butterfly clasp. It doesn't bother me at all. The length of it doesn't bother me, but it is longer than you would expect it to be based on. |
| Andrew | It's a super comfortable bracelet, but today as I'm wearing it, I noticed that it doesn't quite. Contour to the underside of my wrist the way that I want because of how long that butterfly is Yeah, and it's it's it's just fine for me. It's fantastic We've talked about our anatomy differences before and I think that that maybe is showing up here This yeah, like fully articulating bracelet just like falls around your wrist. It's like |
| Everett | I think at that like $1,500 new $1,000 used, you'd be hard pressed to find a better value than this. Uh, and when I say value, I mean that really ecumenically like, like brand prestige in interesting, good. Um, yeah. And there's nothing special inside of this thing. I mean, it's, it's not a, I mean everything about it's special. |
| Andrew | It's got that, you know, internal flotating or flotating floating case. Uh, like it's just, it's interesting. It's chronometer. It's chronometer spec. I mean, and that's hard to find under 2000 bucks. Like you can get into some Christopher words that are costs. You can get into a couple others. that are chronometers under under a thousand but Andrew do you want to do a yeah so uh just the other day I was um I had the dream watch person conversation I'm taking a nap on my couch because everyone's gone and I get a text message says hey what do you think about Christopher Ward Did this happen in a dream? No, I sent you guys this text thread. And I was like, what do you mean, what do I think about Christopher Ward? Christopher Ward's fantastic, I love him. And I sent him a picture of my wrist, because I was actually, that day I was wearing my C63, and had a chat about Christopher Ward. And turns out a buddy of mine who's in the Air Force, and right now works for Officer Training School, their commandant did a collaboration with Christopher Ward for the C63 OTS special edition. It's a C63 GMT. I think the C60 would have been a better fit. Yeah, I sent you guys pictures of this thread. It was the dream conversation. And at the conclusion of the conversation, he's like, well, I guess that's all of the, I guess I have to buy one now. I was like, yes, you have to buy one now. If any unit I had ever served in had a commemorative watch made by a reputable watch brand, I would own it and wear the shit out of it. Because that would be cool as shit. That was the watch I was wearing this morning. The watch I am currently wearing Is this a one off gray? Is this, is this the gray that I asked for? It is. Yes. |
| Everett | So I have a, although it's, I think it's closer to the factory gray than we had originally |
| Andrew | Uh, so my my valentine this morning came over because we're what's sunday but valentine's day was two days ago my valentine today came over with some treats among them was a brown cardboard box bearing the foster logo and within it was a foster 11 atmos with the gray dial that i specifically asked for because they went through a lot of iterations so great you they i'm saying they as if you're not in the room you went through a lot of iterations of color. Uh, and this was the gray that I was like, no, this is the gray that you need to use. This is the perfect gray. Cause it's a really complex gray. It's like, it's almost the gray of like, like the lower third of a salmon. Uh huh. Yeah. Yeah. Right. It's, it's got like greens and earth tones and like a little bit of silvery, but it's gray. Yeah. I wanted a gray to watch. And so that's what I'm wearing. I've got it on the Tropic because I got it this morning and I don't have my screwdrivers in my pockets to size the bracelet because the bracelet is fantastic. I don't think I'm taking it off the Tropic though. It's good on the Tropic. |
| Everett | This is a really good Tropic too. It's one of the few, yeah, and the Tropic is a Tropic that you can get. online, certainly that one's, that one's got some foster branding at the class, but it's, it's just an FKM Tropic that you could get on AliExpress, but they're really good. |
| Andrew | Even so it's like, I have several tropics that are too stiff or too floppy. It's like a basket. And this is like a little bit, a little bit supple, but the side to side, when you pinch on either side of the strap, it doesn't flex, but it gives a little bit. |
| Everett | We tried a bunch of different like manufacturer brace or straps, and that was the one that I kept coming back to. I really like the, I really like the double keeper, the class that the buckle part is not fancy, but it's good. And you've got a circle F brand and yeah, that was, um, yeah. That was a pretty easy choice at the end of the day. It really fits the vibe of the watch, and I think you could wear it on that forever and be happy. |
| Andrew | However, I will say- I probably won't resize that beans and rice. |
| Everett | Our Z199-esque bracelet is one of my favorite bracelets. It's really nice to be able to make the thing that you want. I think I have a Z199 sized. I might just put it on there. Yeah, if it's 20 millimeters, it might fit. It probably won't hit the case right. |
| Andrew | Oh, probably not. |
| Everett | Yeah, we engineered that for the case. And so it's that H case. |
| Andrew | So, um, but it's on quick release. So it was just, I almost put it on the, uh, on the Everest. It would work great on that flat Everest. Yeah. But it's just slightly curved. Have you ever looked at like, they call it flat, but it's just not. |
| Everett | And our case, our case is just slightly curved. It curves the wrong way, but, um, I think it does. Yeah, it would probably look good. It would probably look good on that. You know, uh, I'm glad to, I'm glad to be able to finally make that handoff to you. And, uh, yeah. |
| Andrew | I just patiently waiting. I knew it would come. Andrew, we got a bunch of watches to talk about. We do have a bunch of watches to talk about. Uh, can I start please? Uh, thank you. I'm not sure what I want to start with, but I just like to go first. So I get first picks. Uh, I want to talk about a watch that I don't know that we've ever talked about, Makina, on the show before. I think we have, but I can't remember what watch. I was thinking about this earlier. And this is a watch that, the first picture I saw of it, so this is a monochrome article. Makina aims at the traveling community with the Mephisto 3 GMT. I'm not super familiar or really familiar at all with the catalog of Makina. It sounded familiar and I was like, hmm. But what got me was the first picture I saw was of this case. And it's just a really, really lovely case. When you look at pictures of it, It looks exactly the dimensions you want it to be. It's a 38 millimeter case, 11 and a half thick, 100 meters of water resistance. Like it's just, it's this really beautiful, compact, really felt case. And then you can get the case profile on this thing. And it has like, almost claw lugs. They're really, really short with a really severe angle. So you know that 11 and a half with a GMT movement is just going to suck down into your wrist and where like probably close to 10 would be my guess with like your wrist to crystal measurement would I would imagine be significantly smaller than the dimensions of this case. And I absolutely love it. There's great beveling and angles. And this thing kind of has like the seventies feel, but updated and modernized. And, and it, it doesn't look postmodern in any way. It doesn't look like the 1970s pretending to be 2025. it's 2025 inspired by the 1970s. And then there's a huge, well, hang on. So the movement in here is it's the 1975 GMT movement. Great case Which is a terrific movement. |
| Everett | Yeah, that's that's the movement you use for I'm on record as is Loving that movement. We actually use the 905 s but it's it's similar in very very many ways. |
| Andrew | You've got a great integrated lug bracelet that just Everything about this design is fantastic. And then you get to the dial and the dial kind of bummed me out It's this it I The hand execution is fantastic. there's a kind of strange roulette wheel feel to the dial. The blue is great. I just, I don't like the alternating blues. I don't super dig a lack of markers. Like this is just not a for me watch, but for anyone who wants something like just a little bit less boring, this hits on every level. So it's, it's an alternating dark and light blue, Across the dial with kind of an interesting. I don't know that the blue actually changes. |
| Everett | I think it has to change I don't think it does. I think it's I I think it's on an angle. |
| Andrew | So you actually have because it's stepped It's it's a very it's a textured dial but pipe pie slices texture not actual texture. |
| Everett | It's like I think depth of view 12 and 6 you get these triangles that are flat and and then at the other markers the triangles have a bevel to them so they come up in the middle they're like a like if you can imagine a sword hand on the dial and i think that that bevel gives the impression of different colors of blues and some of them are set lower so it looks to me like Are they tricking me? The odd numbers are a little higher than the even numbers. And so yeah, it's a play, it's a light play. And you can see at the, you can see at the Rehot, it comes in further at the even numbers, the Rehot does, to make, to like get down to the dial. So it's different heights and different angles. And so it's all, I believe, Andrew, it's all the same blue. I don't accept that. Well, that's my take and there's actually a truth to this. So one of us can be right and one of us can be wrong. I'm not sure we'll settle that today, but I think it's all the same blue with just different light play. So I think Makina Andrew is a brand out of the Philippines. Um, yes. Manila maybe specifically. And, uh, which we don't, you know, we don't talk about necessarily the, the oral logical prowess of the Philippines often. Um, and frankly, I don't have the ability to talk about it today, but I think that's an interesting thing to note. |
| Andrew | I think that's why we've talked about Makina before as a Filipino brand. |
| Everett | It's one of the few, it's as I sit here today, the only brand I can think of, 1155 for a GMT, I think it's terrific. The 9075 is such a cool movement. I think this is a really interesting watch. I love this case. I'm with you that the dial is a little bit enigmatic, idiosyncratic. It's not going to be the dial for everybody. I do get some notice vibes with this whole thing. Obviously, we've got a huge Chopic influence here got integrated, although not true integrated. We've got an apparently integrated. No, this is integrated. Yeah, it's true integrated. Yeah, I think this is fantastic, Andrew. It's and everything about it's really good. The dial is an anodized brass, I believe, or at least a painted brass. |
| Andrew | Yes. |
| Everett | Yeah. And eight hundred fifty bucks. The rotor, the rotor is phenomenal. |
| Andrew | Yeah. This is a huge win. It's not a win. Like it's not a watch that I'm going to buy, but this is a really cool fucking watch. |
| Everett | You know, as much as I like the, the 9075 Jack Mason, uh, which is called the globe something. Uh, I like this better. I like this all day better. I think this is just a really terrific watch. I'd buy this over that. I guess it's some notice the looks give me a bit of like notice sector vibes, but not it's totally different. It's but I do get those vibes in the angular so so hear me out. |
| Andrew | that corner view on the lug and that stepped like kind of the sarby bevel on the on the step of the lug it's cool like the design of this case is absolutely phenomenal yeah yeah i agree i really like there's some pictures here on monochrome the case without the rest of the bracelet |
| Everett | and it really makes a point, like the case is short and compact and you can really see the angle that gets you back around your wrist. I think this is fantastic. |
| Andrew | And this crown is money. Yeah, agreed. Yeah, this is like a super refined, but really, it's a pilot's crown, but diminutive, right? Like you need to be able to access this crown and use it and adjust your second time zone, but you don't need to do it in gloves. Yeah, that's right. This is cool. Andrew, is there a no? |
| Everett | No, there's not. Never mind. There's some angles where the minute hand almost looks asymmetric, but I think that's just because of this. How steep the bevel is on the minutes hand. Maybe at certain angles that it almost looks like it's. Like One side is broader than the other, but it's not. |
| Andrew | No, it's just would you see a top down? Yeah. Like, look, that really that really. That our hand or the GMT hand is just terrific, just like a really small arrow. It almost disappears in the texture, but you can definitely find it if you need it. Yeah. The legibility on this GMT is absolutely phenomenal. |
| Everett | I was just going to say, I'm not sure how I think with the way they have done the dial, they don't need to have that thing extend out all the way because there's lines that run the radius all the way around. So you can always have a frame of reference, but it is short. And so if you didn't have those frame of references, it might create a legibility. |
| Andrew | A lot of GMT hands are really short. I mean, you see some that are, you know, Just a little nub. Yeah And people get with it. I prefer a GMT hand that that runs all the way out to the markers Just for ease of legibility because I'm not a smart guy You're smart. You're so thanks Everett. I'm not I'm not I'm not and that's okay. I need things to be easy for me. I Or, or creative, you know, like the Nighthawk, I can read that GMT hand because it's on its own sub dial. And when the red plane is on, the face of that sub dial, it means read the red hours. And when the white plane is on the white, you read the white plane. Also, you can look outside and determine if it's light or dark and decide which set of numbers to read. No, I prefer GMT hands to run all the way to the chapter ring. |
| Everett | My point was just that I think it works here. I think it works because of the way they've set up the dial in a way that it wouldn't work if it was a different dial. Andrew, did you know that this is the 50th anniversary, 2025 presents the 50th anniversary of the Miyota 8200 movement? I should have, but I did not. It's really crazy to think about. Yeah. I don't know how old the 7S26 movement is. It's gotta be getting close, but I don't think it's that old. I think the 8200 movement might be 50 years, so that takes us back to the 70s. And maybe that's not totally fair to Seiko, right? Because I think Miyota has made a lot of improvements to this movement over the years. The 8200 that you get today is not quite the same as the 8200. We talk about it as if it's monolithic, but I'm not sure it is. You know, Seiko's like, how different is the 4R from the 7S? Well, very different. The 8200 movement still is similar. to that version that came out in the 70s. Well anyway, I think we're gonna see a whole bunch of 8200 watches this year. |
| Andrew | Which will be really cool because we're gonna get some really good 70s inspiration. |
| Everett | updated well i think it means i hope i hope i hope i think it means we're just going to get a lot of really decent affordable watches so uh and that brings me to my next watch citizen released their mechanical date date ny4058 uh this is a almost perfectly I think we talked about this. An exciting watch. I did go back and look. So we talked about the urban traveler that came out a few weeks ago. I think it's urban traveler, urban military. |
| Andrew | That's right. |
| Everett | Um, |
| Andrew | Oh, it's just that similar, huh? |
| Everett | And this, well, it's very different. The Urban Military is sort of like a lot of design. This watch is a lot more subtle. It's a three-hand watch. It's got a big day-date window at three o'clock. Much like you might expect to see on a Seiko 5, perhaps? Ooh! It's got one detail here that is maybe a bit intense, which is it's got a really sort of complex minute track. And on this watch, I think that maybe takes away from the overall, because outside of that minute track, this watch is really chill. It's super chill. It's got this very easy-going handset, which is good and legible and properly shaped and sized. As far as I can tell, our hand might be just a little short as is the Minitamp, but not Not obnoxiously so. I think it's a sunburst. I think it is sort of a low texture sunburst on the dial. This watch comes in a few different colors. I know that there's a gray and there's a blue, which are both gorgeous. I think there's also a white. I think this watch is easier to talk about. |
| Andrew | There's a green. |
| Everett | It's blue, green, and black. So, and the black is really gray. So 40 millimeters. Yeah, it's very charcoal-y. 40 millimeters, automatic, 10.7 thick, 50 meters of water resistance, 19 millimeter lugs, which- Fuck! God damn it, Citizen. But, but 230-ish bucks MSRP, which means probably 150 to 180 actual retail. Bracelet is uninspired but not bad. |
| Andrew | Straps are whatever. Uninspired, not bad bracelets are. |
| Everett | Uninspired and not bad. |
| Andrew | They're not as bad as Seiko's uninspired and not bad bracelets. I'd say they're about the same. They're uglier. They look worse, but I think they wear a little better. |
| Everett | This is like a true brand new. Starter watch. |
| Andrew | I have trouble recommending odd lug width watches as a starter watch. |
| Everett | Yeah, but in 2025, you can get lots of 19 millimeter strap options are plentiful. |
| Andrew | Yeah, but one of the things that's so important as you're buying these affordable watches is the ability to change the straps, you know, figure out what you like to wear on what you like to wear it on. And a 19 is... Creates a problem there. It creates a problem. |
| Everett | Well, we, we, we, we named our show after this problem, right? |
| Andrew | Yeah. |
| Everett | I mean, in some ways the, the 20 is just as important, if not more important than the 40. Okay. |
| Andrew | So I think the 20 is the more important measurement. I obviously agree with you. I obviously agree with you. And so that's 36 and 20 if we're, if we're being fair. |
| Everett | Um, but yeah, for the price here, It's mineral glass, which, okay, say what you will. It's an 8,200 movement. It's also under 300 bucks. Probably under 200 bucks when you get down to it. 50 meters of water resistance. I'd take a hundred, but at 11, at sub 11, 10, seven. Yeah. |
| Andrew | This is dope. And it's a, it's a, I think the blue is a bit of a, I think that blue is a little advanced for this watch. It's a little intense. Yeah. Yeah, it's a big blue, yeah. It's a big blue. I think the black is really the winner of this color set. |
| Everett | I know they're calling it black, or at least you're calling it black. I'm gonna call that anthracite. That's anthracite. |
| Andrew | I think anthracite's more appropriate. But I think for a watch at this price point, if it's me recommending a starter watch to a person, which this very much is, The black is the one. |
| Everett | Yeah, so when that friend messages you and like, hey, I need my first watch and I want it to be, you know, my first expensive watch, I don't want to spend more than 200 bucks. You're like, all right, let's talk. I don't have any problem that we're recommending this. |
| Andrew | And you can say, hey- Even with a 19 millimeter lug, I think this is the Anthracite, which we're gonna call it. I think this is, now listen, this is maybe the replacement to the SNK, in my mind. |
| Everett | Yes, yeah, exactly. Hey, there is some downsides, you know, to this watch. It's got a little bit of a funny lug width. You can find straps, but it's not gonna swap with a lot of other watches. |
| Andrew | But if this person doesn't have a lot of other watches. |
| Everett | That's right. This person doesn't have a lot of other watches, man. This is like a really easy. |
| Andrew | And you don't run into the problem of like getting a new watch in front of you. Like, oh, let's take the strap off the watch that I'm currently wearing. |
| Everett | We haven't busted out our objectively best watch rankings all that recently, but this is gonna score really good. Oh, it's gonna score really well. Water resistance is low, so that's gonna ding it a little bit. Bracelet straps are not great, but everything else, I mean, this watch does great. |
| Andrew | This has a high X factor. Yeah, because using a really good movement. |
| Everett | It's I'm not ready to say I know 8200 for a moment for 200 bucks. |
| Andrew | This is a really good movement It's you're not gonna put a sw 200 a $200 watch. I frankly take the 7s versus an 8200 because I |
| Everett | Yeah, I take the 7S over the 8200. And then moving up, 4R versus the 9000 series, it's no question, 9000 series, Miata's. But here at this level, I take the 7S over. I'm not meaning to piss on your cheerios. |
| Andrew | If anyone wants to start putting SW200s and $200 watches though, I'm here for it and I'll buy them. Yeah, I mean, that would be, yeah. |
| Everett | Anyway, I think there's not a lot to say about it. |
| Andrew | Okay, this isn't an exciting watch Bryce Goulard makes it cool called this the perfect example of a gateway mechanical watch it is and that's exactly what it is. |
| Everett | This is this is the watch that you get and you're like, oh no, oh no, you know, I've got I've got all these friends that like It just doesn't happen all that often anymore, but I feel like for a while people would be like, you know, that setup I had, where they're like, I want sub 250, sub 200 bucks. I want it to be mechanical or automatic, you know, and there's always some watches that you can recommend in that space. It used to be more. in the sake of five days, but now it's a little tricky to make a recommendation. The one thing that always comes up is, I don't want a dive bezel, but they don't know those words. |
| Andrew | I don't want the ring. I don't want it to look, I don't want it to look like chunky. |
| Everett | So you oftentimes don't figure that out till later, right? This is like, Oh, Oh, you don't want an eye bezel. Look at this guy. Look at this guy. This is the NY 4D 58 from Citizen. |
| Andrew | So my friend Jesse was talking to me about the Seiko tank a little bit before Christmas. And I was like, look, dude, you're going to love the Seiko tank. It's really well-sized. It's appropriately priced, a couple hundred bucks. It's attractive. And it looks like a tank. He's a financial analyst. What's a financial planner? Sure. He has like his own firm. Yeah. I recommended the a painter to him. Mm-hmm and I said look dude as Much as you're gonna like this watch. This is a couple hundred bucks. What's the price on it? You just had one night 195 195 so 200 bucks like I have a vague idea of how much money you make spend a little bit more like you can get a solar tank for under two grand and that's the thing you really want. Yeah. Uh, and he, he just couldn't swallow the, the price tag on it and his wife ended up getting him the sake of tank for Christmas and he's really happy with it. But, uh, he didn't, he didn't want to have a $2,000 watch or 1500 or whatever. He's just, I think he's just not, okay with swallowing that price tag. Which is reasonable, right? And until the first time you pull the trigger on $1,000 or more for a watch, it's like, I can't do this. And then I bought my Atlas. And now it's like, oh, it's only a $1,200 watch. 1,800 bucks? You can make that happen. it's Oh, okay. Oh a solar tank. Yeah, I was like no go get a solar tank. They're two grand sure like that's there's it's it's Consider it an investment dude. That's crazy that you can get You can get a Cartier for under 2,000 bucks I got, I got really close to starting the conversation on getting a fucking tank, because I love that K shape. I mean, I already own a Santos, like you guys know this about me. They're a little north of it, right? Like maybe 2,500 bucks. |
| Everett | Yeah, I'm seeing them for like more than that, but. What was I looking at? I'm not sure. I'm seeing them like 3,300, which maybe you could get them used for. |
| Andrew | Glass what I was looking at was in the two thousand two thousand five hundred dollars. I was like, hey, here's an example Here's an example. |
| Everett | Yeah, maybe you could get used for that price. |
| Andrew | I Don't know what got us onto that topic. Oh, we're talking about gateway watches. Yeah. So anyway next up for me is So we haven't talked about any of our watches. Yeah, we have. Okay, keep going keep going and we're only at 22 minutes. We got It's our show if you don't want us don't listen 22 times to this is where we go carry We have a new Seiko prospects alpinist GMT and I am fascinated. I don't know if I like it or if I hate it. I do know that I want it. So this is an Alpinist GMT. |
| Everett | I want to make one comment here. This is the article you sent me on this watch. This isn't going to have anything to do with the watch. Uh, the article you sent me about this watch is on Teddy and it's written by Blake Bettner. Okay. That's all I'm going to say. I'm just going to leave that there. I'm, I'm mostly, don't say anything about it. |
| Andrew | Just leave it there and move on. So this watch, I think I hate it and love it. It makes no sense. It is an alpinist GMT with a compass internal bezel, a 24 hour bezel, and it's an alpinist, but it's kind of not because it's this weird clunky disaster. It's probably good that it's only limited to 500 because it just doesn't make any sense. and I absolutely adore it. It has kind of like an anthracite, not anthracite-y, like a birch-y, Grand Seiko, vertical, linear texture on the dial, a green bezel on the inside, a black bezel, it's gilted. Everything about this watch sucks, and the sum of all of its parts makes me really, really sad. |
| Unknown | Yeah, so I Andrew I struggle. |
| Everett | I mean, I think that this is the same Alpinist GMT that was released a few years ago this colorway with the 6r54 But yeah this color it I think the it's got a black bezel I don't know that we've seen a black bezel on this watch me. We have it the prior iterations had a silver bezel. Yeah which I I'm okay with this, man. It sounds to me like you are too. I'm here for it. I hate it and I love it. I want one. It feels very Seiko. It feels very Alpinist with the green and gold and it's ugly as sin. I wonder if this had a green PVD |
| Andrew | No, because I'd look terrible. I don't know. It would look even worse. I don't know, man. This is the first color matched to the dial. Can you do green PVD? I think you can, right? There's no reason you wouldn't be able to. |
| Everett | I don't think they can do PVD in every color. |
| Unknown | Why not? I don't know. Let's ask, let's ask perplexity. |
| Andrew | Are there certain, don't just ask, can you do green PVD colors that can't? |
| Everett | Cause if you can powder coat. Well, but powder coat's different. Powder coat is, Powder coat is pigment. Certain colors can be challenging or impossible to achieve with physical vapor deposition. However, achieving vibrant or highly saturated colors like bright red or pure white is difficult. Let's ask follow-up. What about green? Seeing it happen live, y'all. This is our life. Green can be achieved in PVD coatings, but is often more challenging compared to other colors. Green coatings require precise control of materials and process parameters, such as the combination of metals, e.g. titanium or chromium, with reactive gases like nitrogen or oxygen. However, achieving a stable and vibrant green color can be difficult due to the sensitivity of the coating's optical properties and the need for uniform deposition. I do see green PVDs, though, yeah. You heard it here. I think, I think this, I personally think that this watch with a green PVD bezel would be- Like a color match the internal rotating? Perhaps, yeah. I think, but you have to drop the gil. No, I don't think so. I think, I think the green works. Andrew, Andrew, Andrew, Andrew. Yes. Hold on. I'm going to show you something. |
| Unknown | Cause this is my, this is my exit. |
| Everett | Zip. This is my, what? Zipper pants. I like them unzipped. I like them unzipped. This is my counterpoint. I'm going to show Andrew my exit watch. I'll tell you about what it is in a moment. I don't have an exit watch. This is the one for me. It's a Moonshine Speedmaster with all green. If I was going to actually get out, if I was going to actually get out, that's the one for me. |
| Andrew | It's that beautiful Jade, but that's a different. |
| Everett | Okay. |
| Andrew | It's right. It's wholly different point, but it's a gold case. It's a gold bracelet, but you see my point. These are, these are going to cost you. What are they going to cost? I don't know. Prospects prices. There's not a price in the article I was looking at. I'm not going to look, I'm not going to buy one, but I want one ever. What do you have next? |
| Everett | I've got a watch. And it's a good watch. It's a watch that is... Oh no, we're off the rails. Okay, Lakko has their Aachen, I believe, Aachen maybe, and Augsburg watches, I believe. These are some of our favorites on 40 and 20. The Augsburg is a type A, and the Aachen is a type B. A few years back, they released those in 39 millimeter versions. but they've been playing with these watches. I'm gonna say Laco has been playing with these watches. They released a polar variant of the 42 millimeter, and I am confident, Andrew, when we saw that watch, I said, you know, with the white dial, the 39 millimeter makes a lot more sense. It's this really crispy, polar white with blue accents. The blue is what does it. But I say, you know, because of the way this watch plays, it's all dial and the 42 is just, it's just going to be huge. It's just gonna be enormous on your wrist. They've released the Polar in 39. There's not a lot to say about this. It comes in both the Lakko 2S, which is a Miyota 8200 movement, but also in the, whatever, the Lakko 3, I think they call it their 3S, which is an 8300 movement, which is just a slightly refined 8000 movement. These are limited. They're limited to a handful. I can't remember enough that you'll be able to get one though. And they're retail at 440 euro, which is roughly 500 bucks. No, America's great again. It's 80 bucks. 39 millimeters by 11.5 with an 18 millimeter lug width, which is appropriate for a pilot's watch. Especially at 39 millimeters. You really want that dial to be prominent relative to the strap. |
| Andrew | I might get one of these Type Bs, dude. |
| Everett | They're sick, yeah. So again, I think the Akin is the Type B. If you don't know the difference, a Type A Fliege is got the hours in Arabic, just on the outside, and then just a minute track. There's no minute numerals. A Type B has big Arabic minutes on the outside, and then typically a ring with inside of that smaller Arabic hours. So you've seen both of these. That's the difference. And this comes in both of them. And yeah, so 250 of each. They're limited to 250 a piece. So 500 total watches, 250 each. Man, these are good. They're good. |
| Andrew | Yeah. |
| Everett | This is, this is the, if you're going to buy a polar, Auchin or Augsburg in my mind. |
| Andrew | You're not getting black. This is this is the one this I see Crisp white with blue accents because that 42 millimeter in the lighter color white, you know, it's the problem too big It just it's too big. There's too much light bouncing off of it. |
| Everett | You're wearing a pie pan on your wrist It's the problem that I have with my it's the problem that I have with my hand Hamilton pilot I got the silver dial because it's beautiful and It's just too big. It just winds up because of that lighter color. It's the same size, but because of that lighter color, it just presents bigger. It sees bigger. And the black dial really sort of makes it more compact. Same problem I had with my Sarabit. If I'd had a black Saurabh, I'd probably still own it, but instead it's on permanent loan with a right of first refusal. Not permanent loan, I sold it. I sold it to Blaine. Blaine's holding it with a permanent right of first refusal if he ever insists on getting rid of it, so. |
| Andrew | He won't. I have it. I have one, and I absolutely love it. Do you have the white dial, Saurabh, Andrew? It's not white, it's cream. It's super warm white. |
| Everett | But it's white relative to black. |
| Andrew | It's white, and then you put it next to a white watch, and you're like, holy shit. Yeah, so anyway, that's the next watch. Next up for me, we have a new BR03 from Bell and Ross. And Bell and Ross, I think is- No, no, no, no, no, don't say that. |
| Everett | What? I know it is a BR03, but that's almost like, |
| Andrew | It's a little bit, it's maybe taking away from what this is. Okay, carry on. Bell and Ross, I think is probably among the brands that as I was getting into watches seemed like out there to me. Like, ah, I don't know if I can ever get down with that. Like, I'm thinking like Hublot and ReSharp meal and, and these like, or what MB, what MB and F or. Yeah. I mean, it's not, it's not like that, but these brands that do like some weird shit kind of like as a rule. |
| Unknown | Yeah. |
| Andrew | Bell and Ross always seemed like a brand like that to me. And over the years, Bell and Ross has become a brand that I really, really, really like. Like the BRO5 is a watch that will be added to my watch box sooner rather than later. And we have a new BRO3 that is just as cool as cool gets. There's no way to tell the time with this watch. but it's going to be constantly moving and telling you the time. So the, the cosmos, the BRO three Astro is this gorgeous, top-down view of the earth on a starscape with the moon and mars all in view. I think that you're viewing the earth from the sun's perspective without the intervention of mercury and |
| Unknown | Venus Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. |
| Andrew | Yeah. Well, it's just Earth moon and Mars, right? So you're viewing from the Sun's perspective without the intervention of the two planets betwixt. Yes, it's gorgeous |
| Everett | I don't know if this was the article I pulled up or the article you pulled up, but this is a revolution article written by, I believe, uh, Catherine, I believe you pronounce it Arteche or Arteche, uh, but that's maybe all wrong. Uh, but she uses a word that I had to look up. Whoa. Aurary. Huh. That's, that's how it's pronounced on the pronunciation. Aurary. |
| Andrew | That's not a word that I would even bother looking up. That's not a word I would try. |
| Everett | An aurary is a mechanical model of our solar system that demonstrates how the planets and moons move and relate to each other. So this is an aurary. orrery of the earth, moon and Mars and a satellite to tell the time. Um, yeah, I'm with you, Andrew. You can't tell the time, but this is still fucking cool. I don't know how, like, well, I, so I think the satellite, I think the satellite is the timekeeping device, right? So it's, it's like, uh, it's a less legible Meistersinger. |
| Andrew | Yes. |
| Everett | It's absolutely because it's really tucked into the, to the earth too. So the earth takes up, what, maybe 50% of the dial radius. And that satellite is hugged pretty tight. And so if that satellite was further out, it would probably be slightly easier, because it's unclear to me, the satellite's also big. Mars also moves, everything on the styles. Well, I think they move as they move. Yeah, they move. As they move. IRL, I think is the point. |
| Andrew | It is a Venturine dial, as you'd expect. Is it real Venturine? Yeah, it's real Venturine. It's sapphire crystal. I mean, it's a BR03, so it's a 41 millimeter case, 11 and a half thick. Ah, Rory. It's the Sellita SW300 based movement, but it's a BRCal 327. It's obviously a must with. Yes, and it's priced TBD. TBD. Totally illegible. It's priced if you have to ask. And I love it. |
| Everett | Let's stick in, can we stay in space here for a moment? |
| Andrew | Let's. |
| Everett | Let's. Okay. This is so weird, Andrew. I, I, okay. Apollo instruments. Never heard of them. The DSKY. Never heard of it. Don't know what it means. A unique moonwatch with a true lunar legacy. Introducing the highly coveted Apollo Instruments DSKY. Highly coveted by who? I don't know. I'm reading their copy. A four-year endeavor that captures the essence of adventure and the spirit of space exploration with its authentic design and immersive functionality, this watch is a must-have for any avid collector or space enthusiast. DSKY instantly evokes a sense of nostalgia for the golden age of space travel. Now you can experience it on your wrist. Okay, I look at this thing and I think, nope. Nope. And then I'm like, okay, let's check out a little bit more. Uh, for just 240 pounds, you can reserve your very own DSK Moonwatch. Okay. Okay. Moving along. So then shit gets interesting. Once you get past their copy. So DSKY is actually up the display keyboard used in the Apollo space program. It was a, an actual part, and this is a very close reproduction of that part. It's a keyboard with numerals and then at the top it's got a micro LED display and on the left it's got these lights and these and these LED they're like control buttons but they they light up in different colors because of the way the LED so the colors or no color at all indicates different statuses. And it's like almost a one-to-one reproduction. And then furthermore, Andrew, you've got USB charging and programming. You've got future functionality, including like breadboard functionality that they've just sort of talked about. You've got an external eight channel digital 10 port IO for future programming. You've got a rechargeable lithium ion battery with up to 24 hours of normal use and USB charging. You've got latest generation high-performance GNS receiver GPS, which has concurrent reception of up to four GNSS systems, which is basically a perfectly modern GPS system. It's compatible with Arduino, MakeCode, and CircuitPython programming. Operation requests performed as per the original DSKY with verb and noun entries. Operational data requests are presented in original and custom formats with selectable units. Programmable embedded hardware includes digital and enunciator displays, keypad, GPS, and FRAM. What? Why? |
| Andrew | Don't know but I'm interested now you want to know the the part that is the most intriguing to me about all of this that we're using a Basically a reproduction Apollo computer as a watch. |
| Everett | Yes handmade in England That's the most curious part and it comes it comes stuck with all of the original functions of the Apollo DSKY System stock multi-format time and date with user selected, which means count up, count down timers, stopwatch, timer, and alarm, configurable RTC updates. |
| Andrew | All with verb noun controls. Yes. So, hear me, hear me, hear me. |
| Everett | And so it's got the original GPS driven P66 lunar landing routine and V35 lights display test. So the actual, P-66 lunar landing routine that was in the Apollo DS. |
| Andrew | Yes. So in the 1960s, this was the height of technology and it is now a watch that you can wear on your wrist for how much is this? |
| Unknown | It's cheap. It's cheap. 700 bucks. Yeah. |
| Andrew | $700 and you can wear the very computer that brought the first humans to the moon. It looks so stupid. You know what? It looks like, it looks like, it looks like 1960s peak technology. |
| Everett | It looks like, yes, but it looks like what it actually is going to be is a like, $10 quartz movement calculator watch with a bit of lights with some lights on the side. Nope. Nope. |
| Andrew | We, we, we actually just took the computer from NASA and shrunk it and made it better. What? And then put it on a watch. |
| Everett | What? This thing. I don't know if you could actually like tell the time, but if you can, I'm in motherfucker. What a bonus. |
| Unknown | What is this thing? What a stupid... I love it. What? And it's got that IO port, which is going to allow you to do different... You're going to be able to program shit into it. |
| Andrew | What are you going to do with it? I don't know, but maybe you could do something. Anything you could possibly want. This took us to the moon. |
| Everett | This thing is absurd and absurdly cool. |
| Andrew | Yes. And while you can't tell the time with this watch, you can tell the time with the following watch that we're going to talk about, which is the Omega Speedmaster 321 in full platinum. So you can wear your disky computer on one wrist and your platinum Speedmaster around your thigh. Two wrists These mother that's the best to risk we've ever is that take your shit actually to the moon Omega is coming in with another weather. Hey, by the way, we have this thing and it's pretty cool releases It's only a hundred and six thousand euros for a full platinum Speedmaster beautifully beautifully |
| Everett | designed that makes it the most expensive speed master you can buy, right? I mean, there may be some like one off, but I think there's the most expensive production speed master. |
| Andrew | Yeah, it's probably the most, the most expensive six figure catalog, a speed master. Cause you're going to pay more for, you know, astronauts speed masters. But, uh, this is it. This movement is absolutely fucking gorgeous as you'd expect it to be. Uh, it looks like meteorite or some kind of, um, Yeah, marbly media meteorite on the sub down on the sub dials black on the dial Which adds a really interesting contrast to a Speedmaster dial that I've not seen before that I really dig dot over 90 Yep, as you'd expect and you know ceramic bezel. It's just it's No, I don't think so. |
| Everett | So when they released the three to two one, I think that they released this case and On a strap. I don't think it came on a bracelet. |
| Andrew | And now it's available on a bracelet. It's all platinum. Full platinum 321. Yeah. Cry cry. Yeah. Cry cry. So now you can, uh, pilot yourself to the moon while wearing a platinum Speedmaster. The world that we live in folks, the world we live in. Okay, Kickstarter, we don't do a lot of Kickstarters. Oh, we should though, because this one is worth talking about. |
| Everett | Our friend Vuk Radic, who is the writer and editor of It's About Time, posted a Kickstarter watch this week, and he said the same thing. I don't normally talk about Kickstarter watches, because they're kind of risky, but this is cool, and it's from a cool brand. All true. RZE has launching a new brand they're calling Vostra, which is an Italian word that means something in Italian. And their first watch is the Vostra Vector, which is a VK63 powered 1970s chronograph. Okay, we've done this before. We've done VK63 70s chronographs. What's different here? I don't know. I like it more. I like it more. We've got, um, we've got sort of, uh, what do they call these pushers that sort of hug the case? It reminds me a little bit of the, the bull of a lunar lander pushers, which I, freaking love. The little Landers are like much thinner. These are like... They're thinner. They're thinner, but it's the same style that sort of rides up against the case. Yeah, yeah. We don't have titanium. RZ known for titanium. |
| Andrew | This is a steel watch. I think if this kicks, like if this gets started, I think we'll see a gen two in titanium. |
| Everett | Which would be cool, especially if they could keep the price down. Because this thing, you can get this right now for 200 bucks. 200 bucks on the, whatever, their early bird pricing. |
| Andrew | Because these look like they should be titanium. |
| Everett | So this says 279 Singaporean dollar, which is 199 US bucks. First edition, which is the next level after the early bird, is 319 Singapore, which is 229. And then full release MSRP, 399 Singapore or 279 US dollar. You can get all three which I'm not sure why you would do that. But you can get all three right now for $589 US dollars. There's a yellow with red accents, blue with orange accents. That's pro tip, that's the one to get. And then also a gray. |
| Andrew | I like this gray with green. |
| Everett | Yeah, it's like a minty gray and green. Or gray with like a minty green. Yeah, black sub dials minty green accents in your sub dial hands and second hand they call these wedge like pushers and I think that there's some engineering in the pusher to case interaction to give you a bit of a like a Snick yeah I think it's cool. Butterfly clasp on these feels very RZE to me in terms of the case, which is to say really cool, really cool. Not like anything you've ever seen before. |
| Andrew | I'll say if I have one negative, the picture of this butterfly clasp near the bottom you can tell the alignments off. |
| Everett | Oh, well, I think there's still a prototype on these. |
| Andrew | But in your product photography, you should not be demonstrating alignment issues. It's a half a millimeter, but it's meaningful, right? It matters because that matters. |
| Everett | So we've got... I don't know if this is common, but this is the first time I've ever heard anyone talk about this. They've got... So it's a pretty standard bi-compax layout. So you've got running seconds, running real time in a sub-dial to the right, and then a minute sub-dial to the left with a central chronograph seconds hand. Oh, I see. |
| Andrew | There's a sub-dial at six o'clock. |
| Unknown | Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I missed that entirely. |
| Andrew | But it's not presented as a sub-dial. Maybe that's your running seconds. That's your running seconds, is your six o'clock. So your running seconds is at your six o'clock. That is kind of a hidden sub-dial, right? It's not sub-dial at all. It's just some cardinal direction markers on your six o'clock. Then you have your 24 hour, which is probably going to be like a second hour rather than a, it's going to be your 24 hour sub dial as opposed to an actual sub dial. And then your nine o'clock is going to be your 60 minute timer with your running seconds at your central second. Andrew, once again, you've, you've, you've helped me out and I appreciate you. |
| Everett | So they're, they're kind of leaning into a bit of like sixties and seventies toy marketing. |
| Andrew | The blue though has a loomed chapter ring and loom sub dials So that is the one to get that looks good. Yeah, I think the orange has the no look at the loom pick. Oh Yeah, yeah the gray and the yellow have loomed markers as you'd expect But the blue has loomed sub-dials and a loomed minute track. |
| Everett | Look, it's Kickstarter, it's supposed to release, it's supposed to deliver sometime this year. Kickstarters are tough in that regard, but it's 200 bucks. If you get in it right now, 200 bucks. That's a no-brainer. Full retail MSRP, 279, still a no-brainer. RZ, a brand we like, a brand we trust. And VK63 is a great movement in I mean, this is terrific. This is a really, really terrific watch. I'm willing to say this is a Kickstarter that you might want to consider jumping on at 200 bucks. Jump on it, Tonto. And then they have a... I'm glad you like that. They've got a Discord community that they're calling Vostropolis, which I think is fun. I think you can jump on there now if you want to talk about this watch or follow updates. But a $200... I'm down. Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it. |
| Andrew | Well, okay, we got to speed round through these last 17 watches. Braemont with a new Terra Nova collection. I think maybe we need to talk about this next week and now we don't need to talk about this. |
| Everett | This is a perfect speed ramp. They released the shitty Bremont Terra Novas in in a bronze. It's actually not bronze. It's actually an aluminum. Alloy that appears bronze and patina is a little bit smoother and less interesting than Robras Cupra aluminum alloy. I like these releases. Yeah, Bremont's in trouble. |
| Andrew | Grand Seiko Cherry Blossoms, the SBGH368, super fun name, rose gold with a cherry blossom snowflake-esque textured dial. You know, it's funny, they can tell you a story, and as you read it, you totally change your perception of the dial. I think Grand Seiko has about three dial textures that they use, but we just believe their story in color ways. Youngins with a 1972 chronoscope sports edition Releasing some really fun colorway racing chronographs on rally straps I think these are the same as the ones that came out last year, but just didn't in new colorways. |
| Everett | Yeah Frederick constant world timer. It's too bad. We didn't get this one more time. This might be the release of the week |
| Andrew | It could be it's a 40 millimeter world timer from freddy which has only released this in a 42 before and it's Really really lovely dial goes all the way out. It's just a super slim bezel super readable really refined I mean as you'd expect uh, and it's just Gorgeous. You can tell even from photographs how good that finishing is. |
| Everett | I think maybe the big news here is that this is released in collaboration or with manufacture by Watch Angels, which is like, I need to look into Watch Angels a little bit more, but it's a community driven, crowd funded watch manufacturer. |
| Andrew | Forty and a half millimeter case 13 for thick a little bit of a thicker. Yeah, but but kind of what you expect But it's got a big crystal on it. That's that's probably where we're getting a lot of that 4,500 Swiss francs. So probably in the zone of 5,000 bucks and then for Freddie this is in-house Freddie movement, which is why Freddie is cool and not just a shitty Swiss brand and house movements |
| Everett | Carl Burscherer. Burscherer. He gone. Yeah. Bye Carl. Rolex bought the Burscherer retailer a few years back. I think with that they also bought the IP for the Burscherer brand. Unfortunately, Carl F. Burscherer, or CFB, was then now competing with the likes of Tudor, and just really, I think, despite a pretty healthy investment by Rolex, wasn't able to keep up as an in-house store brand, and is being shuttered, which is kind of sad. I've never seen a CFB watch that I'm like, need to have it, gotta have it. But it's still maybe a little sad. The original owner of CFB did die shortly after selling to Rolex, so fortunately he's not around to see his... Suspicious. Unfortunately, he's not around to see the demise of his company. I don't know, I won't point any fingers, I don't know enough about Rolex efforts. They have made pretty healthy cash investments into the brand, but ultimately failed to make that brand stand out given competition with Tudor and Rolex to a certain degree, I guess. |
| Andrew | And in that price range, just a lot of things. Andrew, did we get through everything? We did, we speed rounded it through. Other things, what do you got? I have to check and see, oh, there's a neighbor kid at my door. That's why my dog's freaking out, as you can hear. Other things, so I cook a lot of tofu at my house. Oh, okay. |
| Everett | I cook very little tofu. |
| Andrew | Well, Sam's got Crohn's and as a result, doesn't do well with like fatty meat. What? It doesn't do well with fatty meat, can't really do red meat, and tofu's really good, right? It cooks really easily, it's something that you can manipulate really well, it's got a lot of applications. One of the things that's always really- It's so neutral. Yeah, but it crisps up really nice, like a protein, and it's a really great ingredient to work with, to add some protein, to add some texture into your food. One of the things that always really bugged me about tofu is you gotta press it. Like you gotta, you gotta get some of that moisture out to be able to work with it in a, in a meaningful way. And I would always, I do the thing that everyone does and I would just take a block of tofu and wrap it in some paper towels and then put a pot on top of it and fill that pot with water to put, to press it. And I was like, just kind of annoyed with the, that process because it takes time and takes a whole nother pot to be used. And finally I, I just went ahead and got a tofu press because tofu presses are a thing because you have to press your tofu. If you're just pulling your tofu out of your water packaging and trying to cook with it, that's why you don't like tofu because you're, you're, you're basically not like de-seeding your bell peppers and cooking with them. Um, or like taking the skin off of an onion and just throwing it all into your pot. It's just, it's not the way it's intended to be used. So I got a, um, a super easy and cheap tofu press and everyone has their own like thing. So I got one from a brand called Noya. N-O-Y-A, adjustable tofu press. And here's why I like it. You can kind of slowly ratchet down the pressure on your tofu and really extract the moisture from it. |
| Everett | And it's this- So it's not bursting the tofu. |
| Andrew | Right, you're not squishing it. And here's, and this isn't like in the way of innovative design, I can't imagine that this is super innovative to a tofu press, but it's, so it's a, it's, it's a Tupperware container with a, with a lid with kind of a spring loaded. clamp on it with a drain, oh golly, with a drain so you can pour the water out as you go. And here's the like kind of intended but feature that I like the most. Because of the shape of the bottom plate, it puts lines in your tofu to give you like pre-measured scores, but it's not scored into it. It's just pressed lines so you can equally cut your tofu into even strips rather than just eyeballing it like, oh, that's a finger width. Like you get really precise lines pressed into the bottom of your tofu on this tray. that's perfectly dry, that's ready to starch, that's ready to marinate. |
| Everett | I'll tell you, my least favorite thing about tofu is like squishy, slimy tofu. And it's so, so this seems like, I know, I always do like, I always do like, you know, a hundred paper towels on a heavy book or whatever, right? |
| Andrew | Yeah, a pot. I would, I would fill up my stock pot with water, you know, half a gallon of water and press it. But this is just a purpose made. It's exactly, and it takes up, you know, it's the size of, I don't know. Have you cooked it in the air fryer? Yeah. So air fryer tofu, that's the- Press it, like press it for 40 minutes. It does such a good job. Really like get all that moisture out. And then I wrap it and I slice it into strips, wrap it in a paper towel. How much does this thing cost? These are 25 bucks. That's good. For a kitchen appliance that you'll use with some infrequency, Uh, but that has a ton of like it, it's the difference between like going to the greasy spoon diner and going to a restaurant. People that don't like tofu haven't tried tofu. That's they've They've only tried it packed in water, sliced it up and then just thrown it right in a pot. They didn't drain it. They didn't give it the opportunity to re-soak up flavor. It's a sponge, right? So if you try to wash stuff with your wet sponge, you're just smearing it around. But if you wring out your sponge, then you get all that absorbent quality. I'm not going to like try to say like, Oh, tofu is as good as a, as a, |
| Everett | or even a choice ribeye, or like a nothing is good, a grill cooked chicken thigh. They're different, but tofu has so many different things. A steak is a steak. I mean, you can try to do different shit, but it's a steak, and a chicken thigh is a chicken thigh. Tofu is whatever you want it to be. And if you get the texture right, which is this is going to help you with. |
| Andrew | Press it. Yep. Get it nice and dry. I like to get it really nice and dry and then make a, like I just make a bowl of like corn starch, a little bit of flour and then seasoning and give it a toss and throw it in the air fryer. It gets super crispy, really nice. It's almost like a French fry. |
| Everett | Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Similar. Yeah. |
| Andrew | Yeah. It has a similar internal texture cause it's still nice and soft. Crispy on the outside. Press your tofu folks. And if. |
| Everett | Press your tofu folks. Hey PSA, press your tofu. |
| Andrew | Yeah. |
| Everett | There's there's a hundred different we make a lot of money when you buy one of these from the link in the show notes Yeah, we don't we don't We've really under capitalized the We've been told that before and we have a lot of people Andrew Jack Daniels. Mmm. Did you know that Jack Daniels is? is more than old number seven. Did you know that Jack Daniels, like even number seven, meets the definition for bourbon in terms of its mash bill? |
| Andrew | I did not know that their mash bill was bourbon sufficient. |
| Everett | It is. So it's of course not Kentucky bourbon because it's made in Tennessee. It's Tennessee whiskey. But for all intents and purposes, it meets the definition, which is the corn. The corn is the requisite ingredient and Jack Daniels is a bourbon. As far as that goes, fine. That's fine. Some people are gonna get emotional about that. If you are, I'm just gonna. Anyway. |
| Andrew | Check the recipe. |
| Everett | I'm moving it on. So I don't like Jack Daniels, Andrew. Well, number seven. |
| Unknown | Or as a brand. |
| Everett | I don't dislike it. That's an important distinction. But you know, when I think of Jack Daniels, I think of a Jack and Coke. And a Jack and Coke makes me feel like a little bad about myself, right? But in the best way. It's like, suck down a couple heat rods. Like when I, when I taste a Jack and Coke, it like evokes like bad decisions and maybe guilt, uh, unidentified, vague, guilty sensations. The things that I've done. So anyway, I have been on a, I've been on a, Oh, we didn't do the announcement. Oh, we didn't, we didn't do the, so quick announcement. I've been on a whiskey tear recently, bourbon in particular, and we are changing the name of the podcast to, we came, we thought a lot about this whiskey and watches. Yeah. We, we've decided to rename 40 and 20, the watch clicker by whiskey and watches. |
| Andrew | We also do have an attorney retained. Yeah. So, |
| Everett | We have in-house. We have in-house counsel, so fucking come at me, bro. Anyway, I've been on a whiskey tear, a bourbon tear, and I'm I admitted to Andrew recently, I was like, you know, scotches, I can tell the differences. Bourbons, I'm struggling a little bit. I'm struggling, like this bourbon versus this bourbon. Sometimes there's little, I'm like, oh, I like this better than other. That barrel Armida that we had, that you brought on the show a few weeks ago, definitely can tell the difference in that. |
| Andrew | There's a lot of other nuances there. |
| Everett | But like, give me a bottle of micters and bullet, and I'm like, ooh, I think this, |
| Unknown | Maybe it's good. |
| Everett | Anyway, so I've been really like, I've been, I love bourbon. I love the way it tastes. I love drinking it, but I've been really sort of searching for bourbons and I'm like, okay, this is different, this is special. Stuff like that barrel I made up that I'm like, I like this. It's doing the bourbon things. I don't, I don't, I need to get some. I bought a bottle this week. And I bought a bottle that was maybe against my better judgment because I was like, I don't like Jack Daniels, Andrew. |
| Andrew | Oh, see, you've cracked the door. |
| Everett | I don't like Jack Daniels. So this is Jack Daniels Single Barrel Barrel Proof, which is what they call this whiskey, which is a mouthful. Single Barrel Barrel Proof. It is a big square bottle, reminiscent of a Jack Daniels bottle with the fluting in the neck, but different. |
| Andrew | Same height, but all the weights in the bottom third. |
| Everett | It's got this lovely gold label. And this one is, these change, they release these in batches. This is, I want to say batch 19, I saw it on there somewhere. It's usually on the back. Or on the neck. I saw it on here somewhere, Andrew. Batch. Anyway. Oh, here we go. It's barrel number 2411663. Anyway, long story short. |
| Andrew | Not 19. |
| Everett | No, that's the Penelope. I was thinking of the Penelope. So this is a 63.8% alcohol by volume, which is 127 proof. This is a proofy bit of booze. And so you'd expect it to really knock you in the face with ethanol. It doesn't on the nose. So I've had big bourbons before and on the nose you usually get a huge nail polish. You don't get that here. It smells like bourbon. You get big corn, you get that characteristic Jack Daniels banana. That's what I get mostly. It's just banana. Almost a little bit runty, but also like really ripe banana. |
| Andrew | Banana bready, like, like malty, sweet. And then, and then on the taste, |
| Everett | waffles you don't get the ethanol until way deep into the finish you don't get the proof in the mouth you don't get the proof at the beginning of the finish it the proof like waits and it reminds you right at the very end right when you think it's about done it's like also i'm 130 proof |
| Andrew | I love this. Yeah, it's great. There's nothing bad about it. You texted me a picture of it and I was like, yeah, I've had Jack Daniels single proof. And I was like, Jack Daniels is more than old number seven. Like Gentleman Jack, I think is one of my favorite daily driver bourbons. Old No. 7 has almost tainted the finesse of the Jack Daniels brand. |
| Everett | I've got a handle of No. 7 in my whiskey cabinet that I pulled out yesterday and tasted these side by side. They taste the same. It's the same booze, but everywhere the number seven misses, this hits. Cause the number seven just isn't a great booze. It's just not great. It's not bad. It's not bad. Sorry. If you're, if you're, it'll get you there. You're sitting at home in Tennessee and you're like, fuck these guys. A, it's Tennessee whiskey, not bourbon. And B, number seven is a champion of the middle class America. Okay, fine. I hear you. It's fine. |
| Unknown | But it's not, |
| Everett | Special? Definitely not special. Nothing. This is special. This is number seven, but just terrific. Yeah. Terrific. I couldn't believe how good it was. Like I, so a couple of things about this bottle. One, this isn't allocated. You can get this. And not only can you get it, but a lot of places have store picks. Downtown Liquor, Andrew, here in town, has this as a store pick. And if you get it as a store pick, it comes with a cool, like, jangly necklace, and it comes in a box. Um, so you can get this store pick or you can just, it's not allocated. You can just get this and it's like 60. I want to say MSRP here is 69 bucks and we have state controlled prices. So you can't, the liquor stores can't charge secondary prices. If you're in California, which a lot of you are in California, um, I don't think you're gonna spend that much more than MSRP on this. You're gonna be in the 65, $75 range. You can find this. I found this now. |
| Andrew | It's better than any of the, not better. It's more accessible than any of the Buffalo Trace offerings that like went wild in 2020 when people were at home all the time and they're like, fuck it, I'll just start drinking at work. What's the best whiskey I can drink at work? Cause I'm at home and Buffalo Trace just like Weller became unobtainium and Weller's a $35 bottle. And they're like, oh, it's pappy eggs out. It's like, oh, well, fucking neat. It's it's not a 70, 80, hundred dollar bottle. The green certainly is not. No. Yeah. Even the what's the purple, the special reserve. |
| Everett | I think the red label at about 100 bucks, if you can find it, is is considered a value. |
| Andrew | Any of them. |
| Everett | But the green at anything more than about 40 bucks. |
| Andrew | And you know, Eagle rare turned into unobtainium and Eagle rare is just like hot. Like it's, it's okay. But you know, all these. |
| Everett | Is Eagle rare weeded, Andrew? I think so. Yeah. |
| Andrew | Uh, but all these whiskeys became unobtainium. This because it bears the tarnished Jack Daniels name. It'd be like if Invicta dropped a banger. And no one would touch it. Yeah, that's right This is kind of how I would equate that of like it's it's really good. It's bright. It's big flavored. It's bold Uh, but and it's barrel proof. So you really get that big proofy Yes it but it bears the jack daniels name and people associate jack daniels with old number seven and jack daniels is just not old number seven |
| Everett | Old number seven happens to be of Jack Daniels, but that's not what Jack Daniels is distillery You know, I've been looking I've been looking at barrel proof whiskeys and at the price I think this is about as cheap as you can get a real big barrel proof and it's in the zone for sure Yeah, that's right. You're at that 65 to this comes in at the right price and it's accessible and it's delicious. I also this week bought a bottle of Penelope barrel proof. Penelope. Penelope barrel proof. |
| Andrew | I'm also going to link to ADHD. Yeah, yeah. |
| Everett | So that could be another thing. |
| Andrew | The ADHD whiskey reviews this guy's. Fucking hilarious. He made my wife, who doesn't particularly care for whiskey or crass humor, he made her laugh twice. Belly laugh. ADHD whiskey reviews for the win. |
| Everett | Anyway, I did buy a bottle of Pinalope Barrel Proof and I don't love it. I don't love it. It's proofy. You didn't get waffles? And it's big. You do get waffles. I just don't love the whiskey. It tastes young in a way that this doesn't. |
| Andrew | Cause this isn't young. I mean a 43 month whiskey is really different than what's these are. These are barrel age probably what it like six, seven years. |
| Everett | I bet. I bet it's not. I bet it's like a four to six. Yeah. |
| Andrew | I mean, but the transition between Penelope is under five and over five is super significant. |
| Everett | Penelope is no, no less than four by the way. They're 43 months. Yeah. Well, no less than 43. Yeah. So they're taking a there. It's, it's not a single barrel. It's, it's a barrel proof, but a blend right of barrels. I, you get youth there. You get youth there that you're not getting here. There's nothing here that tastes young. |
| Andrew | I would guess that nothing in here is under like five and a half, six. |
| Everett | It's smooth, but it also isn't. obnoxious and toasty and woody and there's that sweet spot there, right? |
| Andrew | Like I, I did a side by side of the papi 10 and I want to say 23 it's either a 21 or 23 I don't remember the age. Um, and you know, you have a hundred or more dollar price differential between the 10 and that older one. I don't recall the age, but it's over 20. Uh, papi 23 is like 5,000 bucks I think, or maybe more. It is. The 10 was better. Yeah. The 10 retained brightness. It's high, it's highs and lows were higher. The older one, the, the 20 something age, it's, it's peaks and valleys were much more mellow. And though that lends to a little bit more enjoyable drinking experience in the way of mellow, smooth, You lose complexity. Bourbon's not scotch. Bourbon's not scotch. Scotch, older is better. Yeah, you lose a lot of complexity in that aging process. And I think that 10 to 15 year is really the sweet spot for bourbons. I think for bourbon it's four to eight. I think eight is the end of the peak bourbon. That's what I think. Cause when you start losing peaks and valleys. That's right. Cause you want in bourbon, you want some, some poppy flavors and some brightness and some complexity that just doesn't exist as everything mellows and smooths together. That's right. That's right. And the match bills are so similar to right. We're not introducing Pete. We're talking about percentages, like, like, like single digit percentage differences in match bills. |
| Everett | So at some point it just goes away. It just goes away. Right. Like you, you, you take like a 23 at 20 years or 23 years or whatever that Pappy Grand Reserve is, Like, it doesn't matter how, like, if you had- You can put grass trimmings in there and that flavor's gone. |
| Andrew | That's right, that's right. |
| Everett | Oh, so you had 37% rye instead of 35? That's gone. At 23 years, that's gone, you guys. Everything's the same. It's just mellow and smooth. |
| Andrew | It's gone. |
| Everett | You're just getting charred oak barrel at 23 years. But I'll tell you, it was so good. And you know, with the angel share or whatever, right? Proofs are going to be all funky too. I mean, yeah, this is this Jack Daniels single barrel. This may be the best. |
| Andrew | Bourbon under 100 bucks. This is a single pour. |
| Everett | It's not as interesting as the Armida, the barrel Armida. |
| Andrew | No, because I could drink two of those. This, I want only one. |
| Everett | And I poured you a big one. |
| Andrew | I'm sorry. I didn't mean to. I'm so offended. I want just the one and nothing else. Man, it's good. |
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