Thankful for Circula, Serica, and Studio Underd0g (318)

Published on Wed, 27 Nov 2024 22:28:28 -0800

Synopsis

In this episode of the 40 & 20 Watch Clicker podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss several recent watch releases and industry news. They begin with personal updates, including Everett's recent medical incident and Andrew's Thanksgiving preparations. The main discussion focuses on new watch releases, including the Studio Underdog 01 series with its exclusive Seagull movement partnership, the Habering² dress watch, Universal Genève's new Polerouter models, and Maurice Lacroix's ceramic Icon watches. They also briefly cover releases from Bremont, Amita, Jacques Bianchi, Casio, and Timex. The hosts note James Stacy's appointment as Hodinkee's new editor-in-chief. The episode concludes with non-watch discussions about a new Ted Danson show and grow lights for plants.

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Andrew	Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20 the watch clicker podcast with your hosts Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Everett	Everett, how are you? I'm good. I had a weird week. I had a weird week. I Had I just finished my trial when we, I think, no, you hadn't, I think you, oh, no, no, maybe it was the day of. I had just had trial the last time we met and I did get the verdict this week, or not the verdict, it wasn't a jury trial, but I did get the ruling, I had won that trial. Which is a really big deal. So that was lame ass technicality. Barely made it. Not even that. Not even that. I proved our case by clear and convincing evidence, which is a very difficult standard. And it's a really hard claim. Anyway, that was a big deal. So I had a victory. Was that the stupid one out the McKenzie? No, this was an adverse possession case in Southern Oregon. But yeah, that was really cool. My client cried with happiness.
Andrew	And with the bill.
Everett	Well, I did tell her, I said, well, I feel a lot better about the bill you're about to get now. Um, but yeah, also, also Andrew weird thing, you know, this, I tell you, I said it like, I'm going to tell you for the first time I passed out for this week, like I've passed out this week and hit my head and got a concussion. Not cause you were drinking though. And not cause I was drinking. Uh, it's like a true, God, that was this week. That was on Friday. Okay. It's like a true, Oh God, I'm getting old moment. I had to go to the doctor. I had to get neurological exams, full meal deal. I think I'm fine.
Andrew	Why did they check your prostate then? Did you just ask for that? You're like, Hey, why are you here?
Everett	Yeah. So I, when I go to the doctor, I don't make things up to get opiates. I make things up to get the prostate exam. Also just, you know, maybe I'm going to try nothing but something weird going on. Yeah. Um, yeah. So, uh, that was weird. That was weird. I don't really know what else to say about it. It was just weird.
Andrew	Yeah, my kids had to call the like had to call 9-1-1 And then like Oh JK Whoever did it I will say oh if it was whichever one of your kids handled that 911 call. It was the girl. Did it terrific. Why do you say that? Did you, because no police came to your house.
Everett	Oh yeah.
Andrew	Like when a weird 911 call comes in, the cops show up and they're like, Hey, that was weird.
Everett	Yeah. Well I, and I came to in the middle of the call. So, and, and sort of indirectly talked to the operator and was like, no, I think I'm okay. She's like, okay, well if you need anything else, call.
Andrew	Yep. Yeah. So she handled it perfectly because the police didn't show up to be like, Hey, that was weird.
Everett	Well, I thought they were going to, you know, I just thought you texted like, Oh, it's a couple of kids home alone and dad's passing out in the kitchen. You know, that's pretty common. It's wow. To me, it felt like, Oh, this is sketchy. Like they're coming. But fortunately, fortunately, I was like stone cold sober. So I was like, yeah, they're going to come and be like, Oh man, are you okay?
Andrew	Hey, you're acting kind of weird. Uh, yeah, no, there were, there was no, no police response. I know that because you were working, I was working. And if I had heard our street, Over the air I would have been like I know that address.
Everett	What up? Yeah, so yeah, I mean I know we're all getting older but it was like Shit shit, I felt bad for my kids the you I could tell it was just two of them at the house and I could tell that they were like I think seeing my vulnerability was impressive in and of itself, but they were also just like the drama of the event because I like collapsed in the kitchen and hit my head on the counter and then I was like crumpled in on myself. And although I don't remember this, there are stories of gurgling.
Andrew	I'm sure that's not true. Well, they, they, I think that was probably like an extrapolated imaginative.
Everett	So I hit the back of my head on the counter and then I ended up like this I'm bending. I'm like, Oh, I'm like crumpled in on myself. And so I think it was just like, that's the noise Betty said I made. Yeah. Both kids have confirmed this.
Andrew	I'm super happy that your kids were concerned by that. Cause if that happened to me, my kids would, there would be one of two options. Number one, they would not notice and just keep living their lives. And number two, or number two, they'd be like, well, that's fucking weird. And then keep living.
Everett	Yeah. I mean, I think that they both kind of, I think they both kind of went into like, Oh shit, something's really wrong moment. And then like, it took probably like an hour for them to be like, all right, we're okay. And now it's just full on a topic of making fun of dad. Like, yeah.
Andrew	Well, you know, good outcome.
Everett	Like, Oh dad, are you going to pass out? Yeah. Hey, uncle Lee, watch your head. Yeah.
Andrew	You okay over there, old man? You need your walker? Yeah. We need to put bumpers on all the countertops. But no, I'm good. I'm healthy. Andrew, how are you? I'm, I'm also good. Uh, you know, tomorrow's Thanksgiving. Happy Thanksgiving, y'all. I guess today as you listen, uh, happy Thanksgiving. Uh, so my, I took today and tomorrow off and I've been, uh, food oriented for the last several days. Uh, So I'm great. It's like my favorite thing to just be like left alone to cook. And usually you don't get that freedom. It's like on, you know, on a Monday night, there's not the, yep, just you, you do you and you just cook and mind your business. But for Thanksgiving, you know, I started doing kind of prep stuff on Saturday. I put the turkey in the brine and, Since then every day has had a little bit and today is where like that. I really got rolling into prep work.
Everett	So you're you're Probably better than anybody. I know it like multi-day cooking ops You're a highly organized Feast maker.
Andrew	I mean you saw my counter. I've got all the I know I know I said non-refrigerated That that was enough prepped and I was a genuine compliment.
Everett	Yeah You do you do really good with holiday feasts. I do I'm more like It's Thursday, what? Okay, the turkey, turkey, yep, turkey.
Andrew	I'm always super, for Thanksgiving specifically, always really scared of not starting my defrosting process early enough. Oh yeah. And starting a tour.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew	A big ass frozen turkey is one of the most intimidating things I can ever work with.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's a, yeah, they come for it. Yeah.
Andrew	There's a lot there. And they dry out, blah, blah, blah. But mine's, I've got mine in the brine, had it in since Saturday. So I think, I know the defrosting is good. I think the brine is sufficiently penetrated. Tonight, I'm deep. Tonight, it's gonna go on the smoker, because it's a 24 pound turkey. And if I plan for 40 minutes a pound, I don't remember the math, it was like 12 hours-ish.
Everett	And you don't get too smoky at that amount of time? No. No. The answer is no. No, you don't. Well, I'm gonna definitely come get some of that tomorrow.
Andrew	I think I'm gonna butter blanket it too. I don't know, I've got a couple methods. I weave bacon together and do a bacon mat on it some years, I haven't decided if I'm gonna butter blanket or bacon mat it, but it's just gonna sit on the smoke for, I don't know, 12 or so hours.
Everett	Well, in any event, we're not here to talk about middle-aged ailments or turkey, rather- Or smoking meat, which is also a middle-aged ailment. Rather, we're here to talk about watches, and we got some watches to talk about. Andrew, I think you got the worst of it this week based on your choices. However, I'm going to implore you to take us off
Andrew	I'm gonna set you on fire, I think.
Everett	Like literally? Yeah, maybe. That sounds unpleasant.
Andrew	So I am gonna start, so thank you for letting me kick this off. We have. You always kick it off. I know unless you have something that we both picked unless I really want to steal it Which you know you do anyway The third generation of the o1 series from studio underdog the watermelon desert sky goofy panda and mint chocolate and chip.
Everett	This is the funnest thing to talk about. You did, you went with the low hanging fruit. I always go low hanging fruit.
Andrew	Uh, so, but here, here's what is the most interesting about this. It's not that we have fun color ways that we have, you know, next generation or one chronograph series. We have a, proprietary ST-1901 movement in this and then kind of like downstream of that is Studio Underdog for this line of watches has an exclusive contract with Siegel now for their movements because Siegel did a thing in the last year and raised their minimum order quantity to 10,000. Who are they selling movements to anymore? But with that, so Studio Underdog went into negotiations and has made Seagull the exclusive movement provider for the 01 series using the ST-1901. It's not in-house, Even kind of, right? It's a 1901 movement with some upgrades, some additional finishing that are unique to Studio Wonderdog. And he's not having to order 10,000 movements. so i don't know what that negotiation looked like i think what it comes down to is rather than it being like this big deal exclusive contract it's really a hey you know i'm gonna keep ordering movements from you yeah i will just use your movements in this watch if you will let me not buy 10 000 of them at a time please um the colorways are all super familiar right i don't think I don't think we need to super dive into them. Uh, but we have a, we have the new iteration and here is the next thing that was kind of exciting because there was a little bit of the, um, Ooh, is it, does this mean that studio underdog is going to be dropping, you know, $2,000 watches now? Was he like priming us for, for a big upgrade in movement and, Should we wave goodbye to the time of $600 studio underdog watches? And the answer is no. These new 01s come in at 650 bucks. Just nailed it. I love his watches. They're super fun. he plays with color in a really meaningful way while also making good watches. The 1901 is well decorated. It's far and away the most attractive 1901 I've ever seen and you'd sort of expect that for a proprietary version of it. You just nailed it.
Everett	You know, when Studio Underdogs switched to the Selita 510, I think there was a bit of grumbling. And it wasn't unfair, right? The grumbling wasn't unfair. It took what was previously a really delightfully inexpensive or affordable watch and turn it into something kind of different, right? Now we've got a big bad Swiss watch that is still kind of... playful, but it feels less playful when you've got a significantly more expensive movement under the hood. Now this watch is really out of reach for most people. And so I just think this is terrific. There's obviously been a significant amount of actual negotiation here. I'm not sure why Siegel made this move, this 10,000 MLQ move. Wild decision.
Andrew	Who are they selling movements to? Who's buying that?
Everett	Well, yeah, I think probably Asian manufacturers, but there must be something happening in China to have made that necessary there, you know, that movement really almost economically doesn't make sense. And so you have to sell 10,000 of them. And so you have to imagine there's some there's something going on there. However, clearly, there was a recognition that this brand relationship was important enough. So and you kind of hinted at it, Andrew, but two things here. One, the back plate, they've made black on this, which is really an aesthetic improvement, but it does, if you've ever seen the back of a SW510, it's an attractive movement, but with this black back plate, all of the gears really pop, and it takes, it gives it just, a level of depth that almost just looks like this invisible floating plate of gears now, which is gorgeous. The other thing they did, and this is probably the more important improvement, is that they added a swan neck regulator. So these can be easily adjusted now. It really, it really takes this movement back to the OG Venus 150, is that what it was? You know, all of a sudden we've got this Chinese movement that's lovely but a little crippled and just makes it, yeah, this is actually just a dope Collinwell chronograph. So yeah, I think this is terrific. The prices, you know, this is not a whole lot that's changed. More is the same than has changed. but delightful, right? Oh, oh, oh, they did lose about half a millimeter. So I think 13.6 now to 12.9. So a little over half a millimeter.
Andrew	And your opportunity to pre-order these is gone. We're talking about this because it's a new release. It's interesting. There was a nine hour pre-order window because that's what Studio Underdog does. He's like, hey, you can order for this time, this period. And if you order, you will get a watch. That has come and gone, but these will come up on the secondary market for probably, you know, in the neighborhood of what the original price was.
Everett	Yeah, that's right. That's right.
Andrew	Cause these aren't Smiths. These aren't like buy it on Sunday, sell it for three X on Monday.
Everett	Yeah. Really, really cool. Really cool. Uh, move. I, I think Richard just has secured himself in my mind as not just a sort of weirdo genius artist, but like a legit businessman.
Andrew	Yeah. I mean, to negotiate something like this with Siegel is, is impressive.
Everett	Yeah, that's right, that's right. Pretty stinking cool. I have a question about, I have a question about this brand. So I would just, I'm just gonna say Habering, but the brand is actually, written Habering Squared. I've never heard anyone talk about Habering Squared, or Habering for that matter. So I'm just gonna say Habering for the remainder of this segment. However, I will just note that the brand's name is actually Habering Squared, or Habering to the second power. And I believe that is because this is a husband and wife brand founded by Maria and Richard Habering, and they wanna make clear that this is both of them. So this is an Austrian brand, started in 2004, I maybe just said that, that makes sort of handmade, well, you know, these in-house developed watches, that when they started were using ETA movements, and then over time brought their manufacturer, their hibache, if you will, in-house. It is a delightful idea. I frankly, I'm like, wait, what? This is a small Austrian husband and wife brand with in-house, huh? A, how have I not heard of them? Because they've been around for a long time and they make a lot of watches and they've got a great reputation. So their most popular line of watches is the Felix. And this last week, they, for their 20th anniversary, released a Felix that's not called a Felix. Rather, it's called an Oscar. And the reason for that is because it's a moon phase. And I saw this thing and I was like, Just hold the fuck on. Because this thing is rad. That's what I'm going to say. What? Why? This thing is rad because it's a moon phase, Andrew.
Andrew	Am I being stupid? Yeah, quit being dumb. Is Oscar have something to do with moon phases?
Everett	Andrew, stop. You're making yourself sound stupid. I am. I am. I know that. So this is a 38 and a half millimeter moon phase that's 10.3 thick, including the crystal with a moon phase or a moon phase and pointer date. with the the true moon phase coming in a white dial uh and the pointer dates coming in a white dial or like a what do you think cornflower blue dial i don't accept cornflower
Andrew	No, I think that's closer to like denim.
Everett	Okay. I'll accept. Um, I don't know what they call it, but it's blue.
Andrew	It's lovely. It's, it's better than, um, any single Tudor blue that I've ever seen.
Everett	Yeah, I think that's right. Physically, we've got sort of a Calatrava case with Breguet numerals. That probably cheapens it a little bit, but I also don't think it's unfair. And we've got the in-house, true in-house caliber A11 UPS, made in Austria by the brand UPS, using their own parts or local suppliers. It's a hand wound movement running at four hertz that's adjusted in house with an anti magnetic state escapement, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's gorgeous. The movement is gorgeous. The watch is gorgeous. It's 7000 bucks. And fuck. It's cool, man. It's cool. I just, I saw this thing and I was like, I'm astonished that I don't, that I've never heard of this. And I kind of want one. I'm not sure I need the Moonphase, but if you go and look at their website, the Felix is the same thing. I mean, really, it's the same thing.
Andrew	Just sans Moonphase.
Everett	With their in-house movement. And they're like, you know, you can get these things for like 3,500 bucks secondhand. This is just terrific. It's like an Austrian small-scale gnomos or something.
Andrew	I don't know. Yeah, it's sort of Oris meets gnomos feel.
Everett	Yeah, maybe, maybe that's right. You know, I will say, and not to not to disparage them, because I'm high on this brand right now. And I saw that and I was really, I was really very pleasantly surprised by it is probably not quite as novel as Nomos. Let's say that these are I always feel bad, but I don't like the minute hands on these. I don't like saying derivative, but these are derivative I mean, they're more driven than anything almost makes on the pointer dates.
Andrew	I love the handset on the The no pointer date. Mm-hmm the handset on the pointer date The minute hand looks just a little funny to me. Mm-hmm I And I don't have a full explanation as to why I'm not fond of it, but the blue pointer date is absolutely gorgeous. I also, I'm not a big moon phase, like I can totally do without that. But this watch, as a pointer, as a pointer date with no moon phase, whew.
Everett	Anyway, we've never talked about them, and so I thought, let's talk about them. And I don't know that we ever will again. And now I've done it. We've done it. We've done it. Really lovely. What's next, Andrew? Also, we've got, I think I counted 13 watches.
Andrew	Oh, we're not gonna get to all of them.
Everett	Nope. Whatever. Nope, nope, nope, nope, we're not.
Andrew	We never do. We never have.
Everett	I think we're gonna talk about like two more and then just go drink beer.
Andrew	Yeah, because of America and stuff. So this is a brand that I'm not sure we have talked about before. Aera. A-E-R-A.
Everett	We've definitely never talked about them.
Andrew	So this is a new and uh, a new iteration of the dirty dozen. Uh, Buffy Acacia from time and tide. What? I don't know. ACA.
Everett	No, I'm sure you're right. I'm sure you're right. It just made me laugh the way you said it made me laugh. I'm sorry, Buffy. Your name's not funny.
Andrew	The way I said it is funny and I, I definitely didn't say it right. And I'm, I am sorry for that. Um, So Buffy billed this as a revolutionary iteration of the Dirty Dozen, and I do disagree with that entirely. I think this is a really well-executed version of the Dirty Dozen, and so it's the M1 Field and Blackbird. So the M1 Field is a all-steel design. The Blackbird is a DLC-coded version of it. Shocking. Yeah, who saw that coming? But these are really lovely. The spec sheet is right. So these are 39 millimeter cases, 13.4, one-fourth thick, 47 lug to lug. Here's what gets me really excited, and this is something that's often missed in this style of field watch design, is a lot of these come in under under 100 meters of water resistance. These have 200 meters of water resistance, sapphire crystal, and to make it a little bit more interesting, these are forged carbon fiber dials with BGW9 lume. Housed in 904L. Yes, like everything's just a little bit different and unique. In the way that it looks, it looks like a dirty dozen, you know, like a well-executed dirty dozen, small seconds field watch.
Everett	Hear me out here, because I agree with you. It's clearly a dirty dozen, right? I saw the thumbnail pop up on my screen and I said, oh, that's a dirty dozen watch, but I'm gonna say something that I think is funny, but also probably sounds a little pejorative. It is like the 1997 Tommy Hilfiger version of a Dirty Dozen watch. Everything's just a little bit plumped up. The sort of lug ears, I guess is what I'm gonna call them, are a little plumped up. The logo is plumped up. Your railroad's a little It's just got that, even the bezel is a little bit like fat.
Andrew	Um, and I told this it's around, it's not a, it's not a fat bezel. It's, I think it's a really well executed dirty dozen.
Everett	I don't think it's unattractive. And so I say all of that, but like the font, they were just like, okay, put the font down, make it bold. Nailed it. I don't hate it. I like it. So I say that like as if I'm, It's a bad thing. It's not, but it's 1997 Tommy Hilfiger.
Andrew	I, I, I totally see what you're seeing. You're like, I don't like that you say that, but it's true. I don't fully disagree with it. It's, it's just a little bit thick. Like everything's just a little bit thick. You know, that era, that era of
Everett	of design was really like simple patterns, simple colors, and just sort of block colors, block and shush everything, like just fatten everything up. And that's what this is. I think it works in this context. I agree with you kind of that Buffy's descriptions here are a little bit over the top. but I do think she's right in that this is like kind of a fresh take on this watch. I like it.
Andrew	Uh, now there are, I didn't go to the era website. The article has a bit of a discrepancy in that, uh, it says that it's 1700 for the steel, 1900 for the black.
Everett	That's what the Aero website says?
Andrew	No, the Time and Tide article.
Everett	Oh, yeah.
Andrew	I didn't go to the website to verify this. And it also says that it's $971. But what we can agree on is that this is about or more than $1,000 watch for a dirty dozen and with a forged carbon fiber dial.
Everett	Yeah, I've got 1450 pounds on the air website. OK, so yeah, it's 904L steel. We've got a Salida 216. Yeah, I mean, it's a it's a Salida 200 movement, which I think is the hand cranker. That's not a SW 200. Oh, yeah, it's not automatic. Yeah, it's just a small second to 16 because it's small. Oh, I see. Yeah, I see. I see. I had in my head that.
Andrew	OK, I mean, it's it's a 200 movement with a unique materials.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	You know what? I think that price is a little much, actually. I'm going to I'm going to say much, but like I sort of see how we got there. Yeah. And it's an attractive watch. This is one of my And it's, it's, it stands out in my hands. It stands out from many of the other dirty dozen iterations that we see released every single day. Agreed.
Everett	Agreed. Coolest watch release of the week? No, not the coolest watch release of the week, but the best watch release of the week. There have been, I have watches that I'm gonna talk about later that I think are maybe cooler because this brand isn't cool and I don't really know why. The Circula Facet was released this week, and we, Andrew and I, met Cornelius at Warner One in New York a few years back. We were- And his wife.
Andrew	I wish I could recall her name right off the top of my head.
Everett	Yeah, same. We were blown away by Cornelius. We were blown away by the watches. And for us, I think it was really our introduction to Circula. In fact, we had made an episode before that wind-up trip about the watches we were most interested in and had kind of gone through the brands and, oh, what is this brand? And then we were looking at the watches and we're like, wow, these look terrific. And then we got there and we were both just- Floored. Floored, blown away.
Andrew	Circula is one of the, so if I had to name brands that in order to appreciate, you have to see them in person. Circula. Oh, shit. Serica, 100% Serica. What's the British brand that has good colors? Ferrer. Ferrer, yep. Those three. Every other, most other watch brands, you look at the pictures of them and you can have an appreciation for the watch. But those three brands, until you see them in person, You've not lived.
Everett	Well, and for what it's worth, I think Serica and Farrer both have this incredible level of enthusiast appreciation. I still think that Serica is being, or not Serica, Circula is being slept on. Yes, 100%. I think the industry sleeps on Circula. I don't know that this is gonna change that, and I'll tell you why. I don't think it will. But first, let me just say, I think this watch is, at first glance, really, really, really cool. It's so German. So, Circula been in the sort of like sub $1,000 sport watch market. This is clearly a sport watch. I would say this is in the vein of a sports watch. um, Antarctic or perhaps a Christopher Ward 12. Um, it's not, at least I don't believe it's an integrated bracelet, but it definitely has that sort of integrated bracelet sport watch vibe.
Andrew	The shape of the case makes it look like it ought to be an integrated bracelet.
Everett	That's right, but I do believe it's just a 20 millimeter bracelet. So what is this? It is a very high end. So this is a watch that was designed for Circula and Cornelius Huber by Guy Bove, who it was, I believe, the CEO of Tag Heuer for quite some time. So this is a guy who knows his watches. And it's just terrific. So called the Facet, you will not be surprised to see that this thing has a lot of angles. It's an angular watch, but it also has this like deceptive roundness to it. It reminds me of watches in the vein of, well, the first one that pops into my head is the SKX, but watches that are square, but also sort of curvy with that like Gary-esque architecture, right? Like I'm clunky and chunky, but also soft and curvy.
Andrew	Shaved the edges off.
Everett	I just think this is terrific and it's a watch, I saw the picture at first and I was like, meh, and then I was like, oh, oh, oh. Those are the noises I made when I looked at it. It just, tip to tail, is interesting. It's interesting. I'm not gonna call it beautiful, but it is gorgeous. Just hear the words that I say, Andrew. Just hear the words that I say. I want you to see me. No Arabic numerals. I would pay you. Or, excuse me. Markers, so they're sort of rectangular, angled rectangular markers. Arabic numerals for the minutes pushed outside those markers, which I think is a great look up on the ReHot or the chapter ring, if you will. 100 meters water resistance, LJPG 100, KIF shock absorber, and where it gets really cool is in the dimensions, which I'm just not able to find, fuck me. Will you tell anyone? 38 millimeters, but it is, Why can't I find it, Andrew? I don't know. It's thin. It's thin. I'm looking for the damn thickness. Oh, cripes. Should I just make something up?
Andrew	Definitely do. This one in one article you sent me is not have a spec sheet.
Everett	You know, I think I read the dimensions on VOOC on It's About Time. Thanks, VOOC, for the details, because even Warner One didn't give them to us. Anyway, it's thin. Shit, they're not on the website either. Carry on.
Andrew	While I manage my sneeze attack here, this is bizarre.
Everett	Here we go, 10 millimeters, 10 millimeters, exactly 10 millimeters thick. 38 by 44 and a half by 10 millimeters with a 20 millimeter, excuse me, 20 millimeter lug width. It's terrific. And the dial. So here's I think the coup d'etat of this watch. The dial, this is very first, very circular. In fact, I saw it and I thought, oh, that's a circular, but it's got this sort of like grid dial, a circular grid dial with rectangles, the same size rectangles, almost like a cobblestone placed around from the center to the outside. Terrific sort of symmetrical handset. A sewing needle secondhand. I don't know if that's what you call it, but I would call that a sewing needle handset secondhand. Big sort of grippy looking crown. sort of scalloped. The bezel is round, but it's got scalloped, which gives it a little bit of that angular thing that is important in watches like this. I just think it's great.
Andrew	It's not even scalloped. It's almost like it's an angled, like octagonal
Everett	Yeah, but it's but it's actually just round with scallops that give it that sort of yeah Yeah, so between the dial that set that sewing needle secondhand. I mean there's enough going on here that i'm like This thing's great. It's uh, eight ten millimeters thick. Oh, did I say the price? No. 1,890 bucks on the bracelet.
Andrew	Interesting back plate here too. We have a back plate with a see-through case back that's affixed to the case by four screws.
Everett	But they're not, they're like at angles. Yeah. They're like on ears, like corner ears.
Andrew	Yeah, it's really interesting. Everything about this watch is just interesting.
Everett	It's the most interesting or best watch release this week, I think. There's no, I won't say that. There's so many cool watches that came out this week.
Andrew	There's not many things that you've seen before. The way the markers cut into the, cut into your minute track, like just, everything's just interesting.
Everett	It's very interesting, and the shape of the bracelet. I do suspect... Yeah, nice flat H-link. This is gonna be treated like a bit of an ugly duckling, but it's the kind of ugly duckling that I like.
Andrew	You know, we didn't say at the front of the show Andrew, but I was just reminded that still haven't lost no still haven't lost and the the potential for having three games with the Ohio State University is Diminishing looks like probably just two at this point perhaps, you know who did lose though. I
Everett	Everybody else in the country, Alabama. Everybody else in the country has lost. Ducks are the only undefeated team in the country.
Andrew	Even even West Point. Back to watches who, you know, had their had their moment in the sun and then lost to another shitty team.
Everett	What's next, Andrew?
Andrew	OK, I like this watch.
Everett	We literally may only get to like four watches today.
Andrew	That's OK. It's normal for us. Yeah, I want to talk about an interesting collaboration the time and tide and tag Hoyer aqua racer Solar graph sundown and we've talked about the aqua racer. I don't know 500 times probably Because it's yeah, that sounds right. I just counted. It's about yeah about 500 because it's such a terrific watch it's Just it's a stunning. Holdover from 90s design and style that still looks really good in the modern era when they've just, especially as of late, really started doing it justice. Yeah, and they put they put a bucket load into the Aquaracer to such a degree that I'm like, man, I think I want an Aquaracer. So spec sheet on this. These are. 40 millimeter cases, 11 and a half thick, 47 lug to lug. They're using grade two titanium in these. 200 meters of water resistant sapphire crystal, 20 millimeter lug width. And they are just good. So this is a limited edition collaboration with Time and Tide. And it's just a color way. That's all it is. What are you texting me?
Everett	But it's a good color way. It is. It gives me it's definitely got like Zen vibes to it. Oh, yeah. Because of the blasted and brass, it's sort of got like a gold. What do they call that gold bronze? aesthetic to it. It feels kind of Zen to me. And, you know, I don't know when the Solar Graph came out. Was that 21, oh, it says right at the top of your article. The Solar Graph was first released in 2021. Oh, 2022.
Andrew	And it just, I didn't want to like it because it feels to me like,
Everett	like a backpedal a little bit for Tag Heuer, but you gotta admit.
Andrew	No, but they went to a solar movement, which is objectively an upgrade from this era of Tag Heuer that was courts, and not even like, Like high-accuracy courts. It's just just courts.
Unknown	Mm-hmm.
Andrew	Yeah. Yeah, that's right. We're not dealing in in Cutting-edge technology here because if you're gonna use courts you can use really cool technologies because courts is objectively the best timekeeping technology that exists and There's cooler ways to do it. Yeah. Than shitty Chinese modules.
Everett	Yeah. No, I think, I'm with you, dude. I think this is terrific. This is cool. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's not super exciting. 18 karat rose gold on the dial. But it's cool to see a time and tide collaboration. Full titanium. Yeah, this thing's pretty cool. Can you get these in the US, Andrew? Or is this Australia? Probably not. Yeah, I don't know either. It's a good looking watch though.
Andrew	And they're right on price. They're 3,000 bucks-ish.
Everett	I will say, a decision was made. At some point, a decision was made to put the Time and Tide logo at six o'clock, more or less in place of the six o'clock marker. And more. I object. I object. But outside of that, really, really cool.
Andrew	I mean, it's a collaboration.
Everett	Yeah, I put. So.
Andrew	I see why they did that.
Everett	Anytime anybody has ever asked me their opinion about a collaboration watch.
Andrew	And even if they don't.
Everett	I have suggested you do not put your logo on the dial. And I will say people have asked me this question more than once. Sometimes they listen, sometimes they don't. Nobody from Time and Tide asked me this question.
Andrew	Our logo is on the dial of our collaboration.
Everett	Also true. Also true, Andrew. So I will say anything that has ever asked me that question I have made that suggestion and until we did it and then we're like No, I said we should not put the dial the logo on the doubt anyway We did I was trying to I was trying to make a subtle joke and I know and you didn't do a good job Maybe was too for you. I maybe was too subtle about my joke and then you were I Uh, Sarica, speaking of Sarica. Round two. You did not put this on your list, Andrew, and I was kind of surprised about that because when I grabbed this, I said, oh, Andrew's going to be jumping off.
Andrew	Uh, you know why? It's because my list is two weeks old. Oh.
Everett	Serica, Serica, Serica, Serica, the military sport field watch brand that's very much like German boulder. Serica has released a fucking dress watch. And it's weird. And I didn't, I did not see this coming, Andrew. I did not see this coming. So I believe that the term for this style of watch or this vein of watches right now is a shaped watch. This is a shaped watch, and it is an oblong, a north-south oblong. dress watch that they're calling the 1174 parade. And we're not talking about parade like a Macy's parade, but rather we're talking about parade in the context of perhaps military dress or some other formal dress parade event. 1174, come to find out, is a reference to the one to 1.74 ratio on the dial, or perhaps the case, I believe it's the dial. So you've got one X on the width and 1.174 X on the Y. Um, so that's what 1174 is in case you were wondering, I believe that's, that's my understanding. Um, and it is like, uh, it's just a beautiful sort of art deco unadorned dress watch. At first I saw this thing and I was like instantly no. Instantly, no, I don't like it. I do not like green eggs and ham. I'm confused. And then I saw the dimensions. I was like, oh, 35 by 41 by 8.6.
Andrew	This looks way thicker than 8.6.
Everett	With a hundred meters of water resistance and a stadium pin buckle strap with an 18 to 14 millimeter taper. And I was like, okay, hold on. Hold on, because the dimensions are incredible. Let me give this watch a second chance. So I went back and looked, and I was like, you know, there are things I don't like. There are things I don't like.
Andrew	Start.
Everett	I do not like the texture on the dial. Sort of like a wavy radial grooving. Mm-hmm. I do not like the length nor the width of the hands.
Unknown	Mm-mm.
Everett	But the case, I don't like the hand shape. I'm there for. That's because it's got butt plug hands and you like butt plugs.
Andrew	That is why I don't like them, because I'm jealous of them.
Everett	You know, here's what I'll say about this watch. I think Serica is a cool enough company that they can get away with this. Because I think if you were to buy this, so here's the way I think of a dress watch. A dress watch is a watch that I'm going to buy to wear at nice events.
Andrew	once maybe a year.
Everett	Yeah, exactly. Which means for me, probably one to four times per year, right? And I am going to want that watch to be incredibly classy. I'm going to want it to be kind of special. And I wouldn't feel bad about this being that watch. And so in this, in that vein, for a watch that I made between now and the time I die, wear a hundred times, I think that this is a good amount of money to spend. I think that it is- 1500 bucks? Dimensionally, it's everything you want out of this watch. Yeah, it is a dress watch too. It fits all the bill. I'm into it. I do not know that I love it though.
Andrew	So you talked about it being a stadium Case shape.
Everett	No, the the buckle is this is a stadium pin buckle is what they call that.
Andrew	Okay. Okay Although the watch is actually the watch looks like they know It looks like Otson There's no lugs. It's they it has hooded. Mm-hmm Hooded lugs. No, not even hood lugs. It's an integrated strap. It's totally hooded Yeah into the case back which gives this watch kind of like a weird And not weird a unique top-heavy Illusion, right? There's not that sweeping transition between the case into the strap. The strap mounts at the bottom of and under the case. So it's all case on top of your wrist, but it's still eight and a half millimeters thick. Uh, but because of that, of, of the way they have integrated the strap from the top down, this looks like a big old bitch sitting on your wrist. Uh, but the profile is not very dangerous.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	Phenomenal! The optical illusion created by that integration of the strap is really interesting.
Everett	Sopran M100, it's not cost certified because there's no second hand, but you imagine it could be. Yeah, it's a really, it's a really interesting watch. I'm going to call it interesting. And I think for what it is, I like it. I do think the dial winds up cheapening it. I think that they could have done something different with the dial. This dial does not work for me.
Andrew	The gold is a big bust for me, but the black I'm done with.
Everett	The black is the more attractive of the two, I agree with you. But even the black, the dial just doesn't work for me. It gives me sort of... Movado feels. Exactly what I was going to say. It gives me Movado feels. And I think that they could have done something better with that dial. I don't know what it is. I'm not a watch designer most of the time. Yes, you are.
Andrew	Objectively, yes.
Everett	But this dial isn't working for me.
Andrew	I could even I even accept the hands I think with a different dial I think maybe like a lacquered or maybe a I I I think the kind of wavy grooves tend more toward a like a diver, like kind of an islandy, you know, Jimmy Buffett feel. But I agree, I think the texture on the dial is a bit of a miss. But on the black, it's really very subtle. And the markers on the black, there's just There's like Movado pips.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's where I'm at. I actually think, I think most of the decisions they made here are really good. The dial, I'm not feeling it.
Andrew	There's like two. Poor decisions.
Everett	Maybe, maybe, you know, you put gold, uh, you put gold batons on here or something. Yeah. Um, that there are any number of ways that, that I think they could have done better there. For me, the, the execution on the dials miss, but everything else I'm like, okay, okay, okay. I'm feeling it. It's a really cool watch. And if you look at this thing and you're like, the dial is cool to me, Everett, shut the fuck up. I think get it probably because it's a rat balls chick. Yeah, no, I mean, it's subjective. And so I think if you don't look at this thing and think I hate the dial, then this is probably for $1,500.
Andrew	I mean, I don't look at it and think I hate the dial. Coolest dress watch out there. But when I dive into it and when I look at it and do the like, ooh, is this something I wanna pay for assessment, I don't think, I'll just say this right now, I don't think at $1,500 is a cooler dress watch out there.
Everett	I wouldn't get it because of the dial, but I think at 1500 bucks, just, you know, like I said, I looked at this thing and I was like, no.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	And then I looked at the dimensions with that a hundred meters of water resistance. And I was like, hold the fuck on. And then I went back and really looked at the watch and said, you know, I actually like everything, but the down kind of the hands. So that's, that's where I'll leave it. Yeah.
Andrew	I don't, I don't think you're wrong. I think in the way of a pure, true dress watch, I don't know that you're going to do much better.
Everett	Andrew, we have talked about maybe 30% of our watches. So what I'm going to say to you is pick one more watch and talk about it. And then I'll pick one more watch and talk about it. And then we'll speed round.
Andrew	I won't include any of those in the notes. Okay, that's great. We don't include the speed round in the notes. No, because you go through so many and adding something into the notes is time consuming. It takes longer than we talked about it. I want to talk about universal Genevieve. Genevieve, huh? Yeah. three new pole router releases that you cannot buy nor can you afford. No, but they are stunning. Oh my gosh. So we've got a rose gold with a black dial, a steel with a blue dial and a steel with a White dial and gold hands. I don't know that I'd call it guilt because it's not exactly guilt, but it's a pull router and it's fucking gorgeous We're none of us are ever gonna be able to pay for one of these we'll be really lucky to see one in person Red gold is that different than rose gold? I don't think so. I think it's just rose gold.
Everett	But it says it's 18 karat red gold. It's a bird of a different feather. Does that make it more expensive? No, can I say something? This is a bit of an interjection. Yeah, weird. What's a microdor? I thought that was a typo. These are restored microdor 1-69 movements. I thought first it was a typo, like they missed micro rotor. These are micro door. Is that a brand? I don't know. I don't even see what you're seeing.
Andrew	All right. Nevermind. Carry on. So these are 35 millimeter cases. And these are nine, nine, nine 50s.
Everett	Gerald Genta cases. I mean, like there is nothing distinguishing these from a 1950s Gerald Genta case. These are.
Andrew	gorgeous, just absolutely stunning. I think what one of the things that will be overlooked is the bracelet interaction to the case. There's not an end link. It's just this gorgeous kind of like Are you looking at the chain cases? Yeah, the the the bracelet. Yeah. The the like chain mail right into the case. Interaction is just gorgeous.
Everett	These are made by a I believe a company called Laurent Joliet, which is the last chain maker in Switzerland, in Geneva. They're 18 karat white gold literal pieces of art. Anyway, you were talking about the chains. I'm talking about the chains. Come on.
Andrew	Uh, I am. I seem bored. Well, I don't want to spend too much time talking about this like unobtainium, but these are just fucking stunning. They they all bear an SAS logo at the six o'clock. Just like. Everything about these says peak of. tool watch innovation in the 1950s when a tool watch is still like, oh, but we also want it to look really handsome.
Everett	Yeah, you know, I think this is actually a really interesting move. I am going to, I'm going to reserve any actual opinions on these because I, I don't think, I don't think we're ready for actual opinions. We're so early and we're really talking about a 2026 relaunch of a brand. But for me, I think if these are intended to sort of wet our appetites... My appetite is wetted. I'm okay. But if this is the brand, if this is what we should expect from the brand, I maybe have some questions. I do like these. I do not feel like these are modern watches. No. And that's a bit disappointing. I, you know, Universal Genev is too good of an IP for them to do full-on Novato Genshin mode. That's how I feel about it. I think Universal Genev should be making the coolest, most robust watches on Earth. This should not be a heritage revival brand.
Andrew	And there's money to be made there, though, and I think that's where we're at.
Everett	Perhaps, but I mean, Universal Genev should be competing with Chopard and yeah, Cartier and you know, I think it's okay to say perhaps even Patek or or ALS or like any of these maybe not price wise, but in the way of like design and
Andrew	No, I think you're right.
Everett	I do not think that Universal Genev should come back and do a Nevada Grenchen model. That's how I feel. And that's what this makes me feel like we should expect. They will, because that's where the money is. That, to me, would be a great disappointment. So like I said, we'll reserve judgment. No, it won't be. Everything they release, you're gonna really love. No, for me, that would be a great disappointment. Well, you are a great disappointment. Because we already have Nevada Grenchen. We already, we don't need another, like Universal should have come back and make cool fucking watches. Right? I don't know. These are a little too retro for me. And so we'll see what happens. I'm here for it. You're always there for it.
Andrew	I really am.
Everett	Oh boy, I only get one more answer.
Andrew	OK, and there's 30 more links.
Everett	So the Maurice Maurice Lacroix. That's not what I expect you to go with, but nice. Maurice Lacroix. Joins the Ceramic Club, that's just the monochrome byline. Maurice Lacroix or title has released the icon automatic. In ceramic. White and black, they're calling it technical ceramic. I don't know exactly what that means.
Andrew	It means that it's technically ceramic.
Everett	I think it means that it is ceramic that's been augmented with other things, other oxides, zirconium oxides, in order to make it a little bit more durable than regular ceramic. a little bit stronger. They've released the icon in white and black ceramic and it is, I'll just say, this is the first icon that I've liked. I've never been a huge fan of the steel icon. I do not like the resin icons because I think they're vastly overpriced and they just look a little soft and cheap to me.
Andrew	They do look soft. How does a picture of something look soft?
Everett	Yeah, I don't know. I just don't love that look. You know, compared with, for instance, the Moon Swatch, which has these really crisp, sharp edges, something about the icon's design makes that watch and resin just look soft. This, not so. These ceramic icons look brilliant. So they have them in both 39 and 42. They have them in white and black. They come, unsurprisingly, with an SW200. And they're cheap, man. Well, okay, they're not cheap, but they're like 3,000 bucks. So for the 39 millimeter, you've got 39 by 11 by 42, with 200 meters water resistance for the, or excuse me, 39 by 11 by, I don't see a lug to lug on these. I think they look 47 and a half. Yeah, I think they're 48 ish. And for the 42, you've got 42 by 11. So terrific dimensions on these 11 millimeters on this watch at a 200 millimeter. Yeah, they just look great there. And you said there are 200 meter watch quick release brace quick release bracelets 200 meters. And they just look terrific.
Andrew	They really do. The integration of the bracelet to the case is... I mean... They nailed it. They nailed it. Yeah, they absolutely nailed it. Integrated bracelets can be... really tricky.
Everett	And well, and this is the icon. I mean, there's nothing here that that you won't have seen before in a steel icon, but for whatever reason, it's ceramic. They just, I really do think it's a terrific watch.
Andrew	This is the first white ceramic watch I've ever looked at. I mean like, huh, I think I could do that.
Everett	I think IWC does a big pilot in white ceramic that I really like. Yeah, but they're like Ten grand. Yeah big money.
Unknown	Oh, yeah, I could I could do this white ceramic. Yeah. Yeah three grand. That's it
Everett	And I don't think the IWC ceramic comes on a bracelet either. I think it's purely on a strap.
Andrew	That kind of makes sense. IWC does some weird stuff.
Everett	Yeah, well, and I do really like their ceramic watches. Their ceramic big pilots, I think are pretty cool.
Andrew	Yeah, so they've got... $3,100, man, for a full ceramic case and bracelet. That's like...
Everett	So on rubber, the IWC Pilot Chronograph Top Gun Lake Tahoe ceramic is 11.7. I don't do rubber. And that's on rubber or textile? I can't tell. Oh, it looks like textile. It looks like textile on rubber. The blue... Like a hybrid? Yeah. Yeah. Gross. The blue Top Gun that everybody was wearing the other couple years ago, 11.7. Yeah, so I mean, really starting point on an IWC ceramic is 11,000 bucks.
Andrew	Yeah, but we're talking about the Maurice Lacroix that's $3,000. It's an icon. That's right. Comes in 39mm or 42. On a ceramic bracelet. I think you do this in a 42. As much as I like the 39mm case size, I think you go 42 if you're going ceramic.
Everett	Yeah. Um, quick speed run. I don't know what that vertex is cause I didn't look at it. Bremont released a supermarine 300 meter GMT collection, which is actually pretty fucking cool. super like them. Amita released the Digitrend, the very cool Digitrend in black and gold. Jacques Bianchi has released a JB300, which is a recreation of a 1970s watch made for the French army dive school. And it's really cool, but there's not very many of it. It's limited to X amount of pieces, which will stop being sold on December 5th. So if you want one, get on the Jock Bianchi site.
Andrew	Hurry up.
Everett	And they're really cool. Yeah, that's right. Casio released a calculator watch in three, the calculator, not a, the calculator watch in three colors commemorating the 50th, 60th anniversary of the first ever personal calculator. And Timex released a TV watch that they're calling the 1983, and it's really cool. It's got an automatic Miota. It's 8,000 bucks, and a TwistoFlex. I don't think it's actually a TwistoFlex, but it's expandable bracelet. Really fucking cool.
Andrew	It doesn't make any sense. Yeah, except that it's great. Yeah, but it doesn't make any sense.
Everett	Yeah, because that watch 100% would have been court. Yeah, yeah. And affordable. And that's what we got. Oh, oh, one more piece of news. James Stacy is the new editor-in-chief of Hodinkee. Didn't see that coming a few years ago, but well-deserved. Well-deserved. You know, someone who's been in the game now for a very long time. One of our heroes as we started this show, or role models as we started this show. So congratulations to James.
Andrew	And fuck Mike.
Everett	Andrew, other things, what do you got?
Andrew	So I was scrolling through the tiles this week looking for something to watch. Because I basically only watch TV now because of the hours that I'm up. I get home from work at about 2.30 in the morning, so I can't really do shit. So I just watch the TV really low before I go to bed, and then I wake up and I go to work. So that's why I only watch television, because I can't do things. So I saw- You can't make cabinetry at two in the morning. No, no. And though I do have a reel, R-E-E-L lawnmower, you still shouldn't do that at, you know, 2.30 in the morning. You should not. You can't weed. It doesn't matter. So I'm scrolling through tiles and I saw Ted Danson's face. And in, you know, always, if you see Ted Danson in something, it's gonna be good. Sometimes you wanna go. Because Ted's the best. So there's a new show, it's called A Man on the Inside. It's written by Michael Schur, who was a writer on The Office, he did The Good Place. He was kind of the NBC guy at the peak of NBC comedy in the 2000s. So he wrote a new show called A Man on the Inside which stars Ted Danson and the whole premise of this show is that Ted Danson is kind of entering his retirement era and not really sure what to do with himself or his time or his days and he responds to a very vague job posting and essentially becomes a private investigator who is placed in a independent living facility to investigate a crime. So it's super low stakes, but this guy is just fully invested in it. And Michael Schur is this terrific writer. If you think of like 30 Rock and The Office and kind of that era of NBC comedy, it feels very much like that. It feels really similar to The Good Place, such that when I finished this season one, I think it's like eight episodes, I went to watch The Good Place.
Everett	I was like, man, I need more Ted Danson in my life.
Andrew	I need more of this like really good, clever writing in my life is fantastic. They teased the possibility of a season two It was really well written. So it's Netflix. It's a Netflix exclusive, which means I think they probably bought it.
Everett	They bought it, yeah.
Andrew	Like I think it was made and then Netflix bought it. But it's so good. Great. It's, it's just, it's that great, like really classic, good storytelling, comedic writing.
Everett	Well, and the nice thing about that style, you know, shows like 30 Rock are the good place is they're exceptionally cheap to produce. They're fast and cheap to produce. And so unlike, you know, an epic fantasy drama that you might go, years in between seasons you know if this is successful you're likely to get a lot more of it yeah you could get nine seasons of this produced in a year yeah well maybe not that much but
Andrew	You could, you could get, you know, the equivalent of if you're looking at like 10 episodes seasons, you could do 90 episodes in a year.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. Well, uh, I, your review is enough to have convinced me to watch it.
Andrew	So watch it. It's fun. It's Ted's and it's, I mean, I think Ted Danson is better now than when he was in his cheers era. Stop it. No, he is. He's better now than when he was in his cheers era. Stop.
Everett	Maybe, yeah. I've got another thing. Do me. Mine is so much more boring. And I don't really know how to talk about it because it's an area in which I am wholly unprepared to meaningfully speak about. It's Black Friday week. I talked about this a little bit ago, peripherally, which is to say I talked about the house for this thing that I'm about to speak on. I bought a few months ago, I bought an Ikea floor lamp, and I talked about it, I said, you know, Shade on this thing is exceptionally big Andrew didn't believe me when I talked about how big it was and then I sent a picture of it like comically large Basically with my head inside of it And room for three more of your heads Still love that lamp. It is it's good exceptional, but to put inside of this thing I bought a grow light and Andrew resting choice in my office. I have a small succulent garden And it's not just succulents, but I've got about six or seven plants and When I moved offices, I have this huge corner off. It's not huge. I've got a good-sized fucking big office I've got a good-sized corner office with a all windows. However, I, my office faces north, north. My building is at an angle so that I am on the north corner of the building.
Andrew	Your building is not at an angle.
Everett	Which means I get, no it is, it is. So it means that I get about 45 minutes of sunlight in my office per day in the winter. And in the summer, I get a little bit more. But it's not enough for most plants. And so I decided that my succulent garden needed a little bit more light. So I bought my IKEA Hectar. I then bought a GE Glow Bulb. And I spent a lot of time looking for what bulb I should buy. And there were a lot of options, and you don't have to get bulbs as other options, but I needed something that was gonna work in an office environment and not be like totally fucking weird. And it does.
Andrew	You want some growth lights hanging from the ceiling.
Everett	That's right, yeah. I needed it to not be totally weird. And it doesn't look weird. It actually, between that Ikea hectare. No, it just looks like a floodlight. it well and it's not on during the day right so i run it at night um and my plants have gone crazy they have gone crazy i i said i didn't really know how to talk about this because i'm not sure that this is better or worse than anything else what i can tell you is that I did a bunch of research and I found that this was probably the best option. I got this thing. It feels incredibly substantial. It's gonna last for a long time, I can tell. I think it says 10 years, but here's what I got. I got the GE PAR 38 floodlight indoor LED grow light for plants. It is a 25,000 hour lifespan. It is a balanced light spectrum. Um, and it has, it has made these plants, they have grown more in the last six weeks.
Andrew	Wait, so you mean you were, you started giving your plants the things that they need to survive and they started to thrive? Correct.
Everett	Correct. They've grown more in the last month than they did in the year before that. All of them have just gone ape shit and super healthy growth. So I don't know that you need to buy- Getting good flour on them or like? You're a cop. You're a fucking cop.
Andrew	It's legal here.
Everett	I don't know. I don't know that this is better than anything else. Maybe my other thing for the week is- Treat your plans well. If you got plants and you're struggling with them and they don't get enough light, get it. It's so simple. It was just so simple. Oh, and I also, I don't think I've talked about this. Did I talk about my whys? No, so that'll be next week. I figured, so that'll be next week. That'll be next week, but get a grow bowl. If you want, get this one. I'll recommend it because I can recommend it, but I'm not going to suggest that it's better than anything else because I just don't know. But this is the one I got after doing the research, after doing the thing that we talk about, and it is everything that I hoped it would be.
Andrew	Yeah, feed your plants, water them, give them light.
Everett	Specifically light from the GE grow bulb.
Andrew	I don't know a whole lot about light besides like It goes fast. I know that much. Yeah, but it goes really, it goes faster than anything else between a grow light and just a regular light bulb. It is different.
Everett	Yeah, it is different. Yeah. I don't, I don't know much about that, but spectrum is, is the thing you, you, you worry about with that. Okay. Um, Andrew,
Andrew	What else do you want to say? Nothing. I want to say nothing else.
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