Weird 70s Digitals Have a Week (315)

Published on Wed, 06 Nov 2024 22:04:14 -0800

Synopsis

In this episode of the Watch Clicker podcast, hosts Everett and Andrew discuss various watch releases and news. They begin with casual conversation about pie-making and baking before diving into watch topics. They cover several new releases including the Olleck & Watjes C-1000 FAGN military watch, a new Tudor Marine Nationale GMT model, a Benjamin James Scarifor watch that draws comparisons to recent Patek Philippe designs, and Citizen's new 100th anniversary model. They also discuss the Nivada Grenchen Antarctic GMT revival and a Christopher Ward collaboration with Ace Jewelers featuring Hebrew numerals. The episode concludes with discussion of non-watch topics including Lego advent calendars and high-quality American-made cardigans from Portland-based company Dehen.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your host, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett You know. I'm good. Uh, Andrew, my other podcast, the intro isn't quite as long. Like it's shorter both in time, but also like in the amount of time I have before we have to start moving is, is less.
Andrew Oh yeah.
Everett So I'll like, we'll press record. I'll press the button. And then I start to like, I'm like, Nope, don't got time. We're in a hurry. Here I just have, it's much more relaxed.
Andrew It's just pace, just easing into it.
Everett I know, I know when everything's going to happen. It just feels very organic. You know, the other thing is I record the other podcast once a month versus once a week for this one. So I just years for, yeah, for 315 episodes. No more than that. 315 I think 315 is it? Is it? Yeah. I think that's what this is.
Andrew We didn't even have pie last week. Oh Well, we had pie yesterday.
Everett We did have pie yesterday. Yeah, I made it I made a cherry my very first ever pie. Did you was the filling from a can? No No, I made I made you went got some cherries and got cherries. Yeah, I used frozen cherries, which I don't think is a cheat No as opposed to fresh cherries
Andrew I don't think it cheated at all.
Everett They were frozen and like pitted.
Andrew That might actually even be harder because you got to work them out of like their frozen state. I mean, they turned out great. They were plump and juicy and syrupy.
Everett Yeah, it's pretty easy. I also added the cherries at different stages of the cook-off, right? So I added the cornstarch and the sugar and the booze in the water and I let that all like get smooth. And then I added the first third of the cherries and then I cooked that for five minutes and then I added the next third of the cherries for five more minutes. And then for the last three minutes I added the last third. So like they had different like some of them were really like into the is my first ever pie. So I don't really know what I'm doing.
Andrew Hey, you do though. You did it. Yeah, it's it wasn't like a ooh, that was a nice first try.
Everett I will tell you it's one of those things that is it seems like it's gonna be harder than it winds up being, right?
Andrew I think it's because people like pie crust is notoriously finicky and people hear that and get intimidated by it. But finicky is not necessarily like challenging. It just means you gotta be deliberate about it.
Everett I think, I think maybe that's right. Yeah. I actually didn't have a super hard time with the pie crust. I, you know, it was like, I followed a recipe. I did everything. It did the things it was supposed to do at all the times it was supposed to do it. I, you know, I was prepared to like keep it cold. Um, yeah. And, and you know what, Andrew, it was really fucking good. It's a good pie. It was, it was exactly what I wanted. My wife said it's a perfect pie. Whoo-wee. Yeah, I didn't want to tell you that. How does that feel that your wife thinks I have a perfect pie?
Andrew You do have a perfect pie. Feels about right. I mean, you're a pie guy. If you didn't make good pie, it would be kind of like, meh, you really a pie guy?
Everett But you know, that's, that's hard, right? It's like, Oh, it is. Yeah. I want it to be good. You know, so many things the first time I did it, like first time I made sourdough, I was like, well, that was bread-like.
Andrew That's my first sourdough loaf turned out pretty okay. My second one turned out pretty okay. My third was a disaster. Oh really? It was terrible. It was under fermented. Interesting was sludgy like unmitigated. It's stuck to the knife Like when I was cut like I post-bake like like outside to to cooked stuck to the knife on the inside It was like a it was like a pizookie Texture, I would say compared to sourdough, which I think is something that people are less intimidated by
Everett Which is weird because it's way harder. Way harder. Making sourdough is so much harder.
Andrew It's a three-day process for a loaf. Never mind the time that you invest into like caring for your starter like it's one of your children.
Everett And not only that, but the wild yeasts are so temperamental and so variable dependent. I mean, Yeah, pie is pie. Maybe I just got lucky, but I was like, yeah, I just followed all the instructions. And then I had a borderline perfect pie.
Andrew It was a good pie. I could have gone for just a touch more flake on the lattice, but the chew everywhere else was great.
Everett Yeah, that's fair. Uh, and, and, and point we'll take it next time. Just a touch. We'll work on that.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett Andrew, how are you?
Andrew I'm good. I'm sitting here. We're talking about, you know, pie, drinking beer. You're drinking beer?
Everett You're double fisting?
Andrew I am. You pulled a beer out and opened it, and I just followed suit. And then you go, what are you going to do? And I was like, well, I guess I'm going to have two. And then this one's staring at me looking like this, and I read the ABV on it. And I'm like, God, I'm going to have two of those? You're in trouble. 9.6 on these fellas. I didn't realize this was an Imperial IPA sampler pack. That is it's a puncher Yeah, this is gonna take me until I go to bed it might just put me to bed also like if I just if I check out You'll know why And Andrew's gone for the night and I'll be finishing on there. There he goes. You'll just hear little snores in the background.
Everett It'll be there she goes
Andrew I'm good, just chugging on along, staying busy. It's a weird time of year, but I'm starting to get really excited for Thanksgiving. I've already started my menu planning. I got my turkey today. The grocery store I went to said, if you spend $125, you can get your turkey for free. Oh, wow. That's my income. Yeah. Interesting. As long as you don't have milk or booze in your cart. So booze I get. I don't know why milk. It's just like a manufacturer thing. And I read the fine print. So I ran into this last year and I was like, fuck it. I don't need to make two orders. I will just pay for my turkey. It was going to anyway. Today I read the fine print on the exact same thing. And it says that the price of milk and booze can't go toward your $125 minimum, which I was not in danger of Missing right? It's a grocery run. We're looking at $300 bill here But last year, I think the cashier was maybe just confused. So I just didn't buy milk or booze at all when I went and got my turkey.
Everett Whatever happened to the legislation in Oregon to allow us to buy like hard booze at warehouse stores? It fell apart. That sucks. Yeah. You know, we can't buy booze in Oregon at the, at the grocery store. Correct.
Andrew Which. There was a grocery store in Portland with a liquor store within it. Like, you know how banks often exist.
Everett We have that here. We have that here too. The one on, uh, the one on 6th. The red apple or whatever.
Andrew Oh yeah.
Everett They have a little booze kiosk. Yep. Yep. That's right. But they have to be state regulated. So Virginia was also like that when I was in Virginia, you had to go to the ABC store. So. Weird.
Andrew I don't remember where I bought booze when I, Oh, I would go to specs when I was living in Texas. Well, cause it's a Costco for booze. Texas has, you can't buy booze at the grocery store? Not in the grocery store that I shopped at.
Everett Oh, interesting.
Andrew You also can't buy it before noon. So they would have like, Like the zip out, we're mopping this aisle, barriers hung into the beer and wine section until noon on Sunday. And when you were in Virginia, you were on a post, so you had to pay no taxes or anything. Exactly. But when I was in Texas, I'd go to Specs because Specs was like beer, wine, liquor, and finer foods or something like that. Beer, wine, spirits, and finer foods. For those of you who are aware, like have experienced the joy of Specs, It was a place that I would take people who were visiting us You're like you gotta see this like it's the size of a Safeway, but it's just booze liquor wine booze and interesting like finer food like fine foods like caviar and like kind of exotic stuffs food section and the one my local one had probably a 25 by 25 foot humidor right in the middle of the fucking store. It sounds like a Cabela's for Booze that like I think that's an appropriate They need to put like a big like wild fish tank in the middle of it That's the humidor and then you just are in it and people are looking at you from the outside, but it was smoking there Mmm.
Everett No, okay. I don't think so. That would be that would be the ultimate that would if they had like that'd be pretty baller if they had like an open-air humidor in the middle that you could smoke in that'd be pretty cool, but it's cool to like go and buy like you know have an unlimited selection of Beer and wine and liquor and then be like, oh, you know what?
Andrew I think I'm gonna get some caviar on the way out to It was just it was bizarre. It did not read it did not make sense for where I was living in Texas Sounds like my kind of place it was so when people come visit I'm like, hey, we're gonna go to Rudy's like it's this gas station barbecue joint I know you want to go to Franklin's will also do that But I'm telling you you're gonna enjoy Rudy's more because you like pull up into this gas station walk up to the counter order it by the pound and then Eat it there.
Everett It's magical You know, they need, they need to have like a, this would be perfect for Texas, right? It's like a shopping center with like a Bass Pro, a Spex and like a Hobby Lobby. They have that.
Andrew I've been to that shopping center. I want to be there. And there's a Chick-fil-A, so nobody's there on Sundays. It's terrific. Yeah. But yeah, so that was a destination that I would take people to.
Everett You know, Andrew, we have, uh, I believe one Chick-fil-A within hours of us, right?
Andrew There's one in Salem. It's like 55 miles away.
Everett So this fall, my boy was playing on a travel ball team, but they had games. They had, they played on Sundays and they played in Kaiser, which is Salem. Oh, so you had to choose between In-N-Out or Chick-fil-A. Easy choice. It was just on Sunday.
Andrew And I was like, so dirty.
Everett This is the only time I'm next to that place. It's the only time I ever want Chick-fil-A. It is the rule.
Andrew I used to live stumbling distance.
Everett Thou shalt only crave Chick-fil-A on Sunday. I haven't had Chick-fil-A in probably, well, I can tell you, since I was in Virginia, so 2012. And I have been within shooting distance of a Chick-fil-A
Andrew Thought I should get Chick-fil-a maybe 30 times since I lived in Virginia and Every single one of those times was on Sunday only Sundays I used to have to add a bunch of training in Salem and we would go to Chick-fil-a And it's like I I don't I like Chick-fil-a. It's good. That's good, but I don't I Feel very similar to it about the way I do in and out like it's good and there should not be a cult following You're right. I'm not waiting an hour to get your, I'm not waiting 15 minutes, weird French fries.
Everett I'm fine with 15 minutes. I'm fine with that. But like an hour, the one up in Salem here, it still is Andrew. It doesn't matter because we're not here to talk about. Overrated fast food.
Andrew We could though specs booze centers. We are qualified to talk about both of those topics We are we are but we're not here to do it rather.
Everett We're here to talk about watches and we gave 13 minutes you guys just Go to hell. All right. I think we've sent one another the same exact watches I sent you I think we had an overlap for all but like
Andrew Two, that I sent you?
Everett Yeah, and that's okay. Look guys, it's gonna happen sometimes. I'm gonna talk about, I'm gonna lead here, Andrew, and I'm gonna talk about a watch that isn't on your list, which is dangerous, right?
Andrew It means I'm not gonna- If it's not on my list, it means that it was already on my list, I just didn't send it to repeat it. I don't send you the links that you've sent me.
Everett I am gonna talk about a watch called the Olleck & Watjes, Yeah, that's how we've decided we're gonna say it. C-1000, F-A-G-N, which I believe is an acronym for Air Force of the National Gendarmerie, which is French. Gendarme. Don't come, don't come, don't at me, bro. It's one of those acronyms that doesn't- It doesn't play well in English. Anyway, this is cool, all right? I don't really like big, like monster watches. I don't need a thousand meters of water resistance for anything. But I'm happy to have it. I still love this watch. So this is a watch that Alicantois made in 2021 for the National Gendarme elite helicopter crews, which is like, it's a law enforcement group, and they have these helicopter crews, and they're like fast rope groups. And Olic and Waj made this for these guys. They have just made this watch, or a very, very close version of this watch, available for the public. It's still got the F-A-G-N marking, so it's basically that watch, but it's just like, they were like, you know, this is actually kind of rad. We did a good job here. And if you want to buy one, you can, you people of the public. This thing is gigantic. So it is, only 39 and a half millimeter diameter. However, it is also 39 and a half tall. That's right. That's right. The thickness on this is 15.8. But with that, you get a thousand meters of water resistance. Maybe you don't want that. Maybe you don't need that. You definitely don't need that. But something about this watch, the case profile and everything, I was like, yeah, you know, I'm here for it.
Andrew It's a really attractive watch and it's because it's such a tool watch. They were like, Hey, let's, let's take a really simple, easy to digest case design, dial design. Let's make it really legible. We're not really worried about frills, but let's fill this with every single top of the line spec that we can do. And then they did that. And they came out with a very simple, easy to digest, attractive watch.
Everett And then they did that. So, you know, I don't know a ton about Newton movements, but this has a Newton movement in it, which Sounds, sounds pretty rad. Um, it's got a big box style crystal, thousand meters of water resistance, a 60 minute bezel with like a Sapphire, like markings under Sapphire marking, uh, bezel markings under Sapphire bezel. PO92 Soprad Newton precision movement, which is a four Hertz, 44 hour power reserve. But I think it's like a high torque, high precision type movement. They don't quote us any specs here, but I do- What's a chronifiable certification?
Andrew Is that a chronometer grade or is it like, it could be if you got it certified? You know,
Everett That's the first time I've ever seen that. I think so for me too, and I don't know what that means. But I do know that it is tested at the Chaux-de-Fonds Laboratoire du Bois. I don't know what that means. So it's some sort of proprietary laboratory. Chronometer testing plus minus five seconds per day. It's got a nylon strap. I do wish it had a bracelet But it's got this cool FAGN blue strap.
Andrew I think this thing's kind of rad It's not a It's like a durability like like can it be abused and maintain its accuracy?
Everett Okay Now, I don't know how this differs from the C1000. C1000 is not a watch I've ever really looked at, but I do believe that this is either very close to or identical to the normal C1000. But for once, for once, I'm kind of like about the, the like sister brand thing when it comes to this watch or the co-branding thing because I'm not normal. It's not usually my thing. It usually is not.
Andrew So I'll also, I'll drop a link to into the chronifiable certified. So this, uh, this article is from 2011 and it was the first actual article I could find about it that wasn't AI generated. It explains that a watch is exposed to an accelerated aging test over 21 days, which is the equivalent to six months of wear. And it's to test the accuracy after six months of wear. Cool. So I wonder... I wonder if we like if it's just not a super common thing because the durability of movements at this point is like they're either disposable or so highly serviceable. Yeah, it's it's the first time I've come across that. Thing It's cool. I figured it was like low-grade cost, but I'm was wrong. It's wrong That is a cool watch and I think it's cool that for a tool watch. It's also like tool watch certified Beat up your movement. We're good. Oh I have a thing. I want to talk about the return of the Triton spyro technique dive watch This thing is cool. So, on the heels of the Sub, the Fifty Fathoms, the Seamaster, kind of ruling the fifties as like this dope dive watch trifecta, taken to the seas, like being accessible to man, this watch showed up and was more expensive than any of them. And then it went away. And in the last couple of years, This brand and watch have been revived in the way of a 12 o'clock crowned dive watch with in lieu of crown guards has an articulating lug on just your 12 o'clock. This is, it's like, once you see it, you see it, but without looking for it, it's really subtle. I super like this. It's every bit of 60s design. This thing is cool. So, original Spyro technique was developed by a Royal Air Force, a French Royal Air Force, French, French Air Force Colonel, patented the 12 o'clock crown system with this shrouded articulating lug, it went away. And now, or so, no, sorry, it didn't go away. It was made into a watch that was being manufactured by professional diving manufacturer type people. It was the dive watch, dive watch. It was adopted by a company called Aqualung, and it was just like, this is the dive thing. You don't need Rolex, because it's not for divers. This is the one. Then it went away, because it's not the one. Let's be serious here. It's a one, and it's dope. It would be like a nice watch in the collection. Certainly not a one and only. Case is 39 millimeters as opposed to the 37 in original. 12 and a half, or 12 and a quarter thick. I think the lug to lug measurement here is a bit of a misnomer, because measured from the end of your articulating lug and not actually where the lug articulates, which is where it'll wear, so it's at 53.75 from the end of that articulating lug, so probably closer to like 50, maybe 49, just based on the shape of that lug. Black rubber tropic strap on it. Great loom pattern on it. I could go without the Fotina, but I accept given that it's a 60s watch. And at a 2824 clone, it's the SW200. Oh no.
Everett What is this?
Andrew Oh, it's the Le Jouperé G100.
Everett Which I think is roughly the same quality but seems to be coming as a 28-24, but seems to be coming in watches that punch just above the 28-24 SW200 in price.
Andrew Yeah, and I think it's because the movement's probably a little bit more expensive. It's a little bit more exclusive.
Everett This is cool. You know, we've said nice things about the G 100 and LJP movements here, but I, frankly, I don't really, I, I think we ought to spend some attention to that. Like why are these movements better? Are they better? And why are they better? I know it's got a bigger power reserve. Yeah. 68 hours. And I know that it's not a 28, 24 clone, which is maybe neat in and of itself, but is it better? I don't know.
Andrew Anything me to be able to have that conversation, you know Hey, yeah, I think this is a super cool watch like this is this is something that maybe should have stayed buried But isn't and I'm I'm really okay with it coming back You hate it. I I can like The facial expressions are like they're painful for me to see
Everett I wanna like it, but man, oh man. What, 6,000 bucks? 5,200 euros, right? I don't know, dude. I don't know, man. It's not for me at five grand. I don't get it. I don't get how I don't get, you know, Vuk Radich actually talked about this a little bit, right? Where he, he just reviewed, he did a review of the new, um, Sherpa ultra dive this last week. And He talked about, you know, that's a pretty expensive dive watch. There's some, some history, blah, blah, blah. And he compared these two watches and he's like, you know. It makes sense in the one case. I don't know what we're getting here, right? It's like maybe an Asia-sourced, assembled in Europe, watch with like some bona fides. I do think it's cool, Andrew, but I don't see it 6,000 bucks cool.
Andrew I don't see it competing with the Pelagos price point cool either. I agree with you on that.
Everett I mean, give me this watch for like $1,300 to $2,000 and I'm like, all right. All right, that's cool. But $6,000?
Andrew I don't... It was more expensive than any of the big three when it was in its peak.
Everett Yeah, but that's not what this is.
Unknown Could be.
Everett I mean, if you spend the money, it is.
Andrew Yeah. No, I agree. I don't think this should be a price competitor with the Seamaster, with the Pelagos, with the Black Bay. It's not a competitor with the sub. But it's what's the 50 fathoms at right now?
Everett No, I don't know. But are you really going to compare this to a 50 fathoms? It is a contemporary. No, it's in no way, shape or form. Is this a watch? It's not a comparative, it's a contemporary. I mean, you're talking about like when this was released? Yeah. Yeah, but that's not what this is.
Andrew No, nor is it what it is now. Right. It's a zombie watch coming in at over five grand. I like the design. It's unique.
Everett How much does an Aquastar cost? I think that's a fair question. I think an Aquastar also comes with the G100 movement. and is like 20% of the price of this. Okay. So 40%. So the Aqua star, that's what I said, right? Like give it to me for 2000 bucks.
Andrew And I'm like, it's a good comparative. Like, I mean, I'd even put this in like the Doxa realm in that like two to $3,000 zone. I'd be super jacked about it at that price point. Yeah, they articulating lug as the shroud around your crown is cool as shit. It's weird. But it's cool.
Everett Yeah, it's it's a really cool watch. I just I just can't budge at I can't budge.
Andrew You can't accept.
Everett Yeah, at that price. I can't I can't budge. Sorry, mine. But it is neat. I do agree. It's really fucking neat. I like bullheads. I think they're really cool. I think so too. Like the Citizen one that costs $500. Super dope. What you got? You know what? Next I have, let's talk about another stupidly expensive but pretty cool watch. The next generation of the Balcanto. came out. It's actually not stupid expensive. In fact, you're not going to find a, this is a watch that costs $1,500 less than your Spirobutnik. I like that name better. And it's got an engineered chime on the dial, laser engraved guilloche and is made by our friends, Christopher Ward in, in, uh, England, uh, in Switzerland. So What's the story here? The story is that Christopher Ward has released its sort of second generation. Do you think that's fair? Second generation?
Andrew Yeah, this is the second generation. Because we had the original, we had a few colorways, but now we've got the introduction of Giyosh.
Everett Yeah, the second generation of the Belcanto is out. And I'd say it's fair to say that they've taken things up a notch, a single notch, right? It's not, they didn't like crank the dial. They just, Gave it some punch. They ticked the dial, which I like, which I like. And I don't, I didn't mean that.
Andrew If I had one complaint about the original Bel Canto is that the dial was just kind of like barring it's like total exposition of the, of the chiming mechanism. It's kind of boring.
Everett The dial itself, the underlayment of the, the most beautiful, like exposed function that we've ever seen was boring. I agree with you. So they've made, they've made the Belcanto, the second version of the Belcanto with a laser guilloche dial, and they're all terrific. We've got four colors of these, which colors are what? Gold, which I think is the star of the show, silver, blue, and green. Now, I hate to complain. I like all of these except for the blue. Really? I really feel like the blue should be a dark inky petrol and instead we get a really sort of almost cornflower bright royal blue. Beautiful. It is no doubt about it a gorgeous blue. But I want a more green dark to give us a- I want a more moody blue. Give me some, give me a moody color because these are all bright. These are all bright. The silver is bright. The green- As silver is wont to do. Is bright. I think with the blue, they could have like, sexed it up a little bit, you know, like Tim Meadows. But ladies, man. I'm gonna buy you a fifth sandwich.
Andrew I think I accept your critique of the color choices, or even if they'd have gone like maybe matte on them as opposed to high polish. Just something to bring a little bit more moodiness and like The word is eluding me. Just tone it down a little bit. Yeah, yeah.
Everett Because the chiming movement is the star of the show. I think so, Andrew. And that's actually been my big sort of complaint of the Bel Canto since the original, is that I love everything, but I don't want to wear that. I'm a blacked out guy. Like, I don't want to wear something so, it's already so attention grabbing. Okay, so, sorry, I digress, Andrew. There's another big change. Big ol' sexy glass box crystal. Big ol' sexy. Everything else is the same. We've still got a grade five case, grade two bracelet. I'm interested to see how that works. I think it's the same bracelet as they've used on prior iterations. So I don't, I've not read or heard anything about this. I did think that was an interesting combination, but it's been working for them, I guess.
Andrew okay yeah so because the color disparity there seems apparent i've not seen or maybe it's not titanium bracelet or maybe it's not yeah maybe the finishing and everything is but yeah that isn't interesting we talked we got our press release i uh i spent a lot of time trying to google like titanium stock bars side by side of grade 2 and grade 5 to see if there's actually a difference because in application typically you see grade 2 titanium as a kind of matte, like I understand it's blasted, right? But the color is grayer, it's like richer and more full, and grade five tends to have a more polished, like reflective surface, even when it's blasted. It's just brighter, and from what I recall seeing, and when I think about grade two versus grade five applications and watches, That seems to be how the two are used, but I also imagine that you can make any metal any color you want.
Everett Yeah, I, you know, it must be working for them. I don't think they would put this product out with a mist like that if it was... apparent and I haven't read anything. I did ask Mike Pearson about this. He hasn't had the opportunity to get back to me. So Mike Pearson, if you're listening a give us, you do your thing. Work some magic. Give us a moody Belcanto.
Unknown Hmm.
Everett Yeah. And B not burgundy moody. No, no. Give me a petrol. That's what I want. Like a greeny dark blue. Everett's not going to buy it though, to be clear. I might. You don't know that. This is a watch I would buy. That is a watch I would buy. And two, answer my emails, Mike Pearson. Shots fired. I considered texting him and I was like, I'll email him.
Andrew The other day we're, uh, we're on a scene and one of my supervisors, we're behind a Pizza Hut and we're looking for camera footage. And my, one of my supervisors goes, Oh, I can, uh, I can talk to the manager of Pizza Hut tomorrow. He's a friend of mine. And I looked at him, I was tired. I'd been at work for like 16 hours. I go, Matt, you're so cool. It just, it fell out of my mouth before I had a chance to hurt it. And he looks at me and I was like, I'll make no apologies. Yeah. Yeah. Just I'll scorch you in front of all of us. And then when I saw him later, he, uh, apparently he couldn't get the video.
Everett That's the best part of the story. Uh, new Belcanto 45, 50, they're dope. And there's a lot of them and I think they upped the production on these. So the numbers, Oh yeah, they're going to be stable. The numbers I read is they went from capabilities of 50 pieces per year to 500 pieces per year capability.
Andrew So which is wild with the laser engraved guilloche and only possible because it's laser engraved and not true guilloche, but to be able to increase their manufacturing capability tenfold is wild.
Everett Yeah, I think Christopher Ward is investing a lot in infrastructure. So what that means, I don't know, but I think we're going to start to see a different level of production on the higher end. I wonder if they're going to start producing for like manufacturing for other people because. Well, I think they already do. I mean, I think that they bought a share in, I can't remember the name of it, but they bought into a manufacturing company. So I think that that's already. they invest in a manufacturing company. So I think that that's what we're seeing. That's the fruit of that labor. This is the fruit of that labor.
Andrew Because Christopher Ward's never a company that has had inventory issues. No, no, that's right. You've never not been able to buy one of their watches from their website besides the most recently launched Belcanto.
Everett Yeah. These are cool, man.
Andrew I love the box crystal. I, I, yeah, I, I dig these even in the color ways. They're gorgeous. They're, they're not for me by a long shot, but I love looking at them. Yeah. What's next? Oh, the retro futuristic Gerard Perregaux casquette 2.0. This is a watch that we've talked about before. This is like, a watch that you hate. I can hear it. No, I like it. I think it's cool. Oh, uh, this is that I just wanted to make that clicking noise with my teeth. This is that beginning of the quartz crisis, Jetsons looking view from the top side angle LCD era watch. And we've talked about the casket before. It came out in 2021.
Everett I believe so.
Andrew They've made a couple little upgrades to it. They've included precious metal in the logo on top of the cassette casket, the cap. the cap yes and the crown uh these are just lovely i i love this design of this watch i wish i was alive during this era and could buy them for like eight dollars at a macy's counter i think these things were i think these things were like
Everett They were more expensive. The equivalent of like $5,000 when they came out. Probably.
Andrew They're $5,000 now. There's only $820 being produced because they're this limited edition gold-accented Casquette watch. Casquette, French for cap. And they're lovely. Yeah, I mean, titanium case, like these are just so fucking cool.
Everett For a novelty, it's a lot of money. I mean, I think that this is, you need to be rolling pretty deep to spring for this watch, I think.
Andrew Or be a Gerard Perregaux ambassador, which I've submitted my CV to them hundreds of times to be an ambassador. And they are just not interested.
Everett I even I've gone so I'm like I've been sending nudes like you've been emailing Mike Pearson because he doesn't work for Gerard Perregaux. Is that where the nudes are going?
Andrew Yeah, that's why he's not emailing you back Yeah, it's it's a it's a fun kind of commemorative release for a And what is really a exceedingly important watch in the landscape of watches, right? This style, this LCD, Jetsons feeling, futuristic watch is like, represents this really important time in watchmaking. And then it just totally crumbled. It was this high point, and then everyone's like, Yeah, we were wrong.
Everett Let's go back to the old ways. Well, so while we're talking about the casket, let's talk about the new Hamilton PSR74. So the Hamilton Pulsar, which is an interesting IP. The Hamilton Pulsar was the first ever digital watch. Arguably. Yeah, I'm not even sure. Arguably, I think that it was the first digital. Well, there's some yeah, yeah, there's some debate around the first to market electric digital watch. Let's say that much coming out in the 70s. That is well known to have been revived in 2020 with the Hamilton PSR, a watch that we talked about on this show, much like the Casquette. Hamilton has, I think in kind of an interesting move, expanded this line with the new PSR-74. What is this?
Andrew I think they're seeing an opportunity with the play they're getting on screen and this kind of like postmodern futuristic feel kind of like gaining a little bit of traction.
Everett Andrew, that wasn't an invitation. That was me.
Andrew I'm gonna be Everett right now. Let me tell you a little bit about this watch too. So it comes in steel or PVD.
Unknown Oh, you're such a dick.
Everett It's well played, fair enough. uh it's a small it's a smaller psr all right they call it the 74 it's smaller so of 30.9 12.4 thick 25.6 across it's just a small psr the bracelet i really like the bracelet on this so instead of the sort of like oyster thing that we got on the psr we've now got like sort of a long y link thing that gives it sort of a It's almost like armadillo armor.
Andrew Yeah, it very much reminds me of the of the mask that that guy The guy from friends to guy who played joey his name is Oh boy Matthew leblanc. Yeah, matt leblanc the character he played in um lost in space when he had that helmet that like over his face. It has very much that same like interlocking futuristic armor feel. That was exactly the scene of movie that I saw when I saw this bracelet. I saw that armor like roll over his face. And it took me a while to get to that name, because I could recognize his face. The title kind of eluded me, but the imagery, that remained.
Everett The imagery was there right away. That's a bad movie. So this is, unlike the casket, this is a $745 watch. Which I can get behind. It is, it's definitely smaller. It's definitely smaller, but I wouldn't call this a tiny watch. It is small. This is F91 size, right?
Andrew What's an F91 at 30? It's not even 30, is it?
Everett I think this might be just a touch bigger and certainly more substantial. It's a more substantial watch. It's not being marketed as a women's watch. I think it's just being marketed as a more of like a heritage dimension watch. Um, and it's cool. It's cool. And it's the price is right. Like when I look at the casket, I'm like, the price isn't right. Obviously it is no Bob. Obviously it is, but the price is wrong. Bitch. This on the other hand, I think this makes sense. I think the price is right. I think it's got all the right things at the right price. I think these are cool. And I'm, I'm kind of here for it.
Andrew Steel case and bracelet or a PVD gold option. This is like, this is the kind of gold watch that I could wear.
Everett Yeah. Yep.
Andrew Yep. Yep. Sub thousand. I'm not, I wouldn't feel too uncomfortable buying a super simple digital display watch under a grand made by Hamilton. I'd buy it. Yep. What's next? The PVT gold looks so good. Butterfly clasp on it. That thing is going to wear great.
Everett Yeah. The original had, I think like a, like a scissor clasp. And I think that makes more sense with the butterfly. That's going to wear really well.
Andrew Uh, next up for me, uh, Tudor and Marine Nationale with a, this is not on your list.
Everett Yes, it is. It's not. I can see your list and it's not on there. Well, he just, everybody, I want you to know Andrew just stole a watch from my list. I did. Go ahead.
Andrew We'll fight. I'm prepared for it. Pelagos fixed a GMT Zulu time. This is a, Would you care to? No. So this is a watch that was originally developed for the French Naval Special Forces unit and has been retooled, repurposed to be released to the larger market. The article that I read was like, ooh, they're going to maybe do a, be a, be a chronograph coming out of this. But this Zulu time GMT fixed lug is a, Banger. I've always really, really liked the fixed lug idea. I just can't get on board with it. And I don't know why. I know practically it's a great idea, but for my application, it's just, it's a little bit of a miss for me. The loom on this thing is fantastic, except that it's Fotina and it doesn't have to be Fotina'd.
Everett Yeah. I don't know if I'm going to call this Fotina. It's...
Andrew It's more tan than it is like beige-y. Look, I am the OG Fotina hater. I want white lume on this. I want white lume on this because it's coming out blue, it's coming out green. The lume contrasts on this watch are absolutely fantastic. This red GMT hand has a green lume pip in lieu of blue, so it contrasts to the blue that's going in around the entirety of your dial. color matched with the green on the outside or on your bezel loom. This is great. And it's just a Pelagos fixed look, right? With cool new design, different, a 24-hour bezel on it. This is good. Partnership with the Aeronautique Naval. That's because I'm French and fancy.
Everett I think those are the Navy pilots.
Andrew With a roundel on your textile strap.
Everett It's good. It's really good. Yeah, no, I mean, this watch, I think it's just terrific.
Andrew And it's not a limited edition, so it's going to be around forever. I think this is a really interesting, like, full-time ad. But I mean, having a, you know, a fixed lug GMT makes sense. I sort of would have expected Tudor to go with something a little less a little more boring for their permanent fixed lug GMT edition.
Everett So it's interesting. So these are engraved with M N 24, which stands for Marine National 2024. And theoretically they will update these each year. So that's cool. I don't know if that means it'll be a different watch each year or if there'll be changes each year, but the engravings will be different each year. So for next year it'll be, so it's a slightly limited edition M and, Yeah, maybe, right? Even though it's not a limited edition. They're saying this is not limited, but arguably next year will be the MN 2025. Yeah, I'm great, and I think actually- I mean, it's the tutor, right?
Andrew It's chronometer certified, 65 hours of power reserve, 75 thick.
Everett I think the GMT hand is orange, Andrew.
Andrew Is it orange?
Everett Yeah, the pictures you sent me make it look red, but I think it's actually- This picture looks quite orange.
Andrew Yeah. In contrast to the text at the 12 o'clock.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew But this one looks quite red.
Everett Yeah, the whole dinky pictures. I think they bumped the red hues, but I'm pretty sure it's maybe to highlight that roundel on the perhaps. Yeah, but I'm pretty sure it's an orange. Either way, it's it's a really good looking metacertified grade five titanium on the bezel ceramic insert. Fantastic movement. It's terrific.
Andrew And it's, it's a fixed leg Pelagos. These things are just baller.
Everett It is a flyer GMT, but I'm fine. I'm fine. And it's only 12, seven. Cause I think this is the same movement as the GMT pro and that's like, I think 35 thick. So they got this down to 12, seven with 200 meters of water resistance. Good job. Tutor.
Andrew Yeah, good job, Tudor. Oh, sorry, I said 7.5 thick. The movement's 7.5 thick.
Everett That's why it's 12.7. That's right. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yeah, it's a really cool watch. It's a Metas Chronometer Certified watch. Whatever that means. Master Chronometer? Metas? No, I think it's...
Andrew like higher grade than like the ISO what 31 something or other for chronometer grading.
Everett Andrew I've got two we've got two watches left that we need to talk about.
Andrew Also I can I make one comment on the photography in the Hodinkee article? Do as many comments on that as you want. Nobody has ever will ever, ever wear their flight gloves in that manner. What don't you like about those? Everyone cuffs their flight gloves. Oh yeah, that's true. Those look like short flight gloves. No, they're cuffed in, you can see the roll. No one rolls them in. You roll them out so that if you need to get a bump over your sleeve, you roll them. Same reason you roll your shirts in the Army or in the Marine Corps that way, so you can just grab the sleeve and pull it down. There's a reason for things. Get your models to do the right thing.
Everett There's two watches left to talk about. Neither of them are on your list, but I'm gonna- Every single watch that you sent me was on my list, look. I'm going to choose the one that's not on your list, even though they're both not on your list. I'm going to choose the one. So Benjamin James, are you aware of this company called Benjamin James? Your mom is. Interesting. I'll talk to her about that. Benjamin James is a watch brand I'd not heard of until today. They are They make cool looking watches. They make cool looking watches. This is notable for two reasons. The first of which is they have a watch called the Scarifor. Scarifor? That is a really, very lovely watch that until today was only available in quartz and mechanical versions. Never heard of it. It's now available in automatic and I have heard of it. Okay. What this is, is a gorgeous, $715 watch from an English company that is square, Andrew. They come with a Miyota 9039, which is a terrific movement. As you know, I'm a fan of the Miyota 9 series. This watch is 9.5 millimeters thick, which if you know anything about me you know that I like a watch under 10 millimeters and that's what this is so it's a 31 millimeter square nine and a half thick butterfly beautiful butterfly class bracelet with a with a terrific taper um 50 meters of water resistance bgw9 okay So this doesn't look like a watch that should be loomed up. Stop for a second, because in learning about this watch today, I read something and I was like, Oh my gosh. So last week, the New Yorker, a couple of weeks ago, the New York times came out with an article making fun, making fun, pointing out, I'm not sure, talking about highlighting paddock cubitus. We talked about the Patek Cubitus on this show. All three of its iterations. And we said, you know, this is cool. This is cool. It's the the bad things you are saying are a little out there. Yeah, we hear what you're saying, but also chill the fuck out. You're not wrong. The New York times made an article talking about a number of watches that the paddock looks like that are cheaper. And this watch this Benjamin James scare for came out quite a bit before the cubit is, and you would be forgiven for saying The paddock looks a lot like the Scarifor.
Andrew No. It's objectively different in every single way.
Everett Not only that, but also the Scarifor has clearly borrowed. from Patek in some of their design language. And Cartier. That's right. That's right. So let's not pretend that Patek is like, oh, look at this Benjamin James. Oh, let's do that. Obviously, that's not what's happened here. Maybe not obviously, but obviously, that's not what happened here. But
Andrew Patek has been making these watches for a significant period of time. This watch brand came into existence, what, in 2020?
Everett And look at the crown on the Benjamin James.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Have you seen a crown like that before?
Andrew Yep.
Everett Do you own a crown like that?
Andrew I do, except it's missing something in this iteration.
Everett That's right.
Andrew So it's got a Santos crown on it, minus a jewel. It's got a Patek bracelet. Look. It's got that same Santos beveling on it.
Everett Yeah. I love this watch. It's a super attractive watch. I think it's really, really neat. And we have it on the show today because I think it's fantastic and I'm here for it. But let's just be very clear. This is a Santos, fucked a Nautilus, had a baby that was pretty cool.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. I mean, It's not an ape of either one. It's clearly influenced, inspired, informed by. That's right.
Everett Great watches. Santos fucked a Nautilus. Yeah. Had a Benjamin James. And then a little bit later Paddock was like, I'm ready to have another kid too.
Andrew He's doing the Al Pacino new kids at 80. Uh, It's an attractive watch. And for under a thousand bucks, you've got good specs on it. I have nothing, like no complaints about this watch.
Everett No, me either. And I don't know anything.
Andrew 9.5 thick, 50 meters of water resistance.
Everett 9039 movement, 715 bucks.
Andrew It's a mineral crystal case back.
Everett Case back, sapphire on the front, hard mineral on the back. Which is reasonable. That's a number of companies do that. And they've done a good job with the 9039. I think the way they've cased it, and it's got a little bit of perlage, it's a heart.
Unknown It's a little bit of a heart.
Everett The movement's got a face only a mother could love, and they've done a good job with it. The treatment is nice here.
Andrew The integration of the bracelet to the case is well executed. I feel like I've seen this before. Maybe you have, but plenty of people have tried to copy it and not executed it this well. Yeah, fair enough. I mean, shit, there's companies that don't do their own design this well.
Everett Andrew, what's next?
Andrew Last up for me, I want to talk about... I sent you a link to this watch, just so you know. I'm going to use the link that I had pulled up. I want to talk briefly about the citizen. We have a hundredth. Oh, that's not what I thought you were going to talk about. Oh, did you think I was going to talk about the Nevada Gretchen that you've already talked about?
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew I didn't talk about the Nevada Gretchen. Go ahead and check some notes. Uh, we're going to talk about the, just briefly citizens, latest, the citizen with the hundredth year anniversary and a little bit of precious metal introduction. Citizens doing a citizens, a brand that has just like, Even in the last decade has just had these significant ups and downs. They like go on this tear where they do some great releases and everything they're doing is looking money. Most of them don't have like a big glaring issue. And then they tank and they drop like some turds that don't have any redeeming qualities. And then they drop a few watches that have many redeeming qualities and then one that you just can't look past. And this is an interesting introduction into their watch. So onto the spec sheet real quick. Oh, shoot.
Everett We're still here, Andrew. We are still here. We're still here. I just want you to know Andrew's reading. We're here though.
Andrew We have a 40 millimeter case, 10.9 thick. It's not wafer thin as Matthew Cattelier would have you believe. 10.9 is not wafer thin. It's a thin watch, but it's not a wafer thin. I mean, for this watch, it's good, but yeah, I agree with you. Here's where the precious metals and color get added to this really, really lovely kind of snowflakey, kind of Grand Seiko feeling dial. We have a pink jewels in the decoration of the movement and a 22 carat yellow gold rotor. 60 hours of power reserve, 28.8. If this is like, this is a good watch. The, so the case is a, I'm reluctant to call this a hooded lug. It's like hooded and integrated all at once into the strap. Yeah.
Everett It's like a hooded strap or like a, like an integrated strap hooded integrated.
Andrew It's a little weird. Yeah. Which is very Citizen. Sure. Barring that oddity.
Everett Yeah, actually, that's super interesting you say that. I do feel like this is a watch circa 1992, where companies like Porta Hemplo, Citizen were like, This is a way to do this thing. Mm-hmm.
Andrew It's very like cavalier without being like market-informed Yeah, yeah. Yeah, which is kind of the way citizen does things and has continued to do things up into 2024 Barring that one oddity The size is right, the specs are right, the design on this dial is phenomenal. It's got this really powdered, lightly textured. Snowflake is really the only, I think, comparable good texture to discuss for a dial. It's this beautiful... kind of like last night's snow in like this, in like a sunrise, kind of like golden hued, creamy white dial, great polished hands with super awesome beveling on it. This is good. But here's where it loses me. Limited edition. Oh, how many are they making?
Everett 160. 11 grand.
Andrew or $10,000 on them. I don't think there's a problem. It loses me because now I'm not, I think the price is right.
Everett I don't think there's a problem with the price, except that Citizen hasn't laid the foundation for this. No, this is the first one. This is the cornerstone. I mean, they've done the Citizen watches before, but this just, it's like a, it's a reach. Like, this is a Grand Seiko priced watch. With likely approaching or very near Grand Seiko quality, you hope. For 11,000 bucks, fuckin' A, citizen. All right, I see you, let's take a look. I'm gonna probably save my money. It doesn't make any, I mean, someone, they'll sell these. 160 of them, they'll sell them.
Andrew This needs to come on a bracelet, do away with the hooded.
Everett And it needs more than 50 meters of water resistance. Or it doesn't, but just do away with the. No, it does, it does. It should, but. This is a sport watch. This needs 100 meters of water resistance. You're a citizen.
Andrew Patek used 30.
Everett You make, okay.
Andrew This is they're not paddock Do away with the hooded integrated weird lug Put us on a bracelet keep it integrated even Yeah, yeah, it's a weird watch man.
Everett It's beautiful. I think it's really cool, but I'm with you 11,000 you've lost me this doesn't make any damn sense Not for citizen So I think oh this makes sense grand sake of this makes sense T so this makes sense most brands that make sense it doesn't it doesn't land for citizen we've got one more watch to talk about and Despite what Andrew says and is about to make an argument in his head and he's gonna look things up and he's gonna send me notes and he's gonna We've never talked about this watch. No, we came out six days.
Andrew I know I'm fucking with you
Everett The Nevada Grenchen Antarctic GMT. So Nevada was a company stood up in 2019, 2018 circa. Uh, and all they do. 2020? Yeah.
Andrew It's, I feel like it was longer ago. Since it's relaunch in 2020, the historic brand Nevada Grenchen. Oh, okay. Fair enough. I was with you. It seems longer than that.
Everett All they do, is catalog watches.
Andrew And they do them right.
Everett That's all Nevada does. They don't have any watches that are like, hey, look at this new watch, Nevada's newest line. No, they're like, look at this watch that we sold in the 60s that we didn't know about that we found and now we're remaking and it's fucking awesome. And guess what? We have new old stock movements in them too. Nevada Grenchen. All right, Nevada, I see you. They just relaunched a watch called the Antarctic GMT, which I've seen the source material. It's bang on as per the usual. What this is is an EPSA style compressor, GMT dive watch with an inner rotating bezel. I say EPSA style because it's not an EPSA case, nor is it a compressor case. Spoiler alert, it's not a compressor. With that said, it looks like a compressor, and it is a twin stick, and it should be because it looks like it, and it's rad. And it is rad. What are the details here that we need to talk about?
Andrew So first we need to talk about the 36 millimeter case. Holy shit, that's such a good case size for this. 11.1 thick. Only 50 meters water resistance, I can kind of accept. I can accept SOPROD C125 movement. And the real detail that I want to talk about, this checkered GMT hand. Put it in me.
Everett It looks so good. It would fit. I can say I can guarantee that would fit the whole watch would fit. Yeah, it's only 36. You could store this.
Andrew Yeah, that checkered GMT hand fuck in a you would think it would. It would compromise your legibility. Mm-hmm, but it doesn't it doesn't the red stands out but like almost looks a little fuzzy when I first saw that I thought it was a squiggle like a yeah, like a Silberstein type of thing, but no it's a it's like almost gives it like a racing feel like it should have maybe a tachymeter instead of a 24-hour scale.
Everett Have you seen any pictures of the original? No, I mean
Andrew Oh, that's the original. So yeah, I have. It's the same. It's the same watch. I thought it was the watch. It's the same hooded lugs. Complaint, not really. This is such a great. I love this case shape. I'd like to see this case shape. Maybe not in twin stick, but this case shape make a little bit of a resurgence. I would.
Everett If there was ever a time Nevada. If there was ever a time. to make a watch that was way too fucking expensive because it took a bunch of R&D and or licensing to do it right. This was the time. And so I'm not going to complain, but if this was a compressor case, Oh, that'd be dope. Ooh.
Andrew That'd be dope. But as it stands, it's $1,600 US money.
Everett It's not a cheap watch, right?
Andrew But this is what it should be, right? With this movement, these specs, this design, this brand. This is a $1,600 watch. Have you seen the tropical brown dial? I hate it.
Everett Me too. I hate it. And me too. So there's a limited edition tropical brown. I can't, I can't remember how many they made, but it 99 pieces for the tropical. Yeah.
Andrew It, The the way the brown reflects I can't make tell if maybe they're using different colored hands even to match it But it's what like my four-year-old looks like after he's eaten an entire Hershey's candy bar. It's just like smeared in Melted milk chocolate.
Everett I get what they're doing.
Andrew But I yeah, but it's not what I want. I want this black dial Yeah, same same This is a really handsome watch brown leather rally strap. That's a good word for it.
Everett It is a handsome watch. I agree with you.
Andrew Yeah, we should talk more about it. So the non Hershey's chocolate bar dial, the dial that we all want black dial. North Pole black, South Pole yellow. Did we say acrylic crystal? It is an acrylic crystal, so it'll buff. The color use on this is really, really good. That red and black checkered GMT hand, your three to nine kind of soft yellow, almost like it's aged already, not fautinated, but just soft. It's good.
Everett It's beautiful. This is such a terrific watch. Yeah. Have we done it? I think we did it. We got through the whole entire list, which doesn't happen very often. Yeah, it was mostly my stuff. That's the whole list.
Andrew Look at us go.
Everett Oh no, there's one more. Christopher Ward released with Ace Jewelers. Oh yeah. A 12. That's a 12, but it's got a Hebrew 12, a 12.
Andrew It's the Hebrew 12. That's a weird... Yeah, no, that's a weird partnership. That doesn't make sense to me.
Everett It makes a ton of sense to me, but that's it. It's a 12 with a 12, a 12, but it's a Hebrew 12. Yeah, in Hebrew.
Andrew Which is cool, but in fairness the the Arabic Seiko 5 You know sold off the charts when watches of espionage started and he was like hey look at this cool watch you can get it for like 60 bucks and now they're like 300 bucks and you can't find them and yeah It's interesting the weird cult followings that watches can get and like who can spurn that on because there's no one else who ever really talked about that Arabic numeral Seiko five at like in kind of like the watch world and then suddenly they were gone. So it's him, we can attribute that to him. I wonder if he'd ever talk to us. Probably not, I wouldn't. I mean, I wouldn't blame him if he wouldn't talk to us. I wouldn't talk to us. That's it, Andrew, other things, what do you got? Yeah, so I was, during Prime Day, was kind of doing the scrolling of like, what are we gonna do? What are we gonna do? Like, is there anything on Prime Day worth buying? Because I always feel like Prime Day is like this weird just sale for the sake of a sale. I've never bought anything on Prime Day That was Prime Day sale like I bought things on Amazon during Prime Day So I was gonna buy it anyway, and it wasn't on sale this year. I bought a thing on for Prime Day and Was super excited about it. I have to send you a picture of it So I was being I was being thoughtful and like future oriented on Prime Day this year and I got my kid the Lego Star Wars advent calendar. So apparently this like advent calendar, the Star Wars advent calendar is a big deal. And every year they're different. Are you going to talk about an advent calendar? What did you send me?
Everett I sent you my other thing. Keep going.
Andrew Every year they're different. So it has two, four, six characters, a bunch of like mini Lego pieces. I don't remember how much I paid for it, but this thing is so cool in the way of like not giving him a piece of chocolate every day for advent calendar. We've kind of like- Piece of shitty. Not real chocolate. Yeah, just like garbage like this. These are Legos that he's going to Put in the laundry and losing his pockets and I'm gonna step on right but I'm like I Opened it up like out of the night. I didn't open it.
Everett But I opened all the days and I took the characters out of
Andrew I got it out of the Amazon box that it's been in. I was like, dude, this is going to be amazing. Like I'm excited about this. I might get one for myself. Uh, but this is, I didn't realize that there was Lego advent calendar. So that's kind of my other thing wrapped up is if you're trying to get away from, like bullshit candy for kids and you still do advent calendars, because it's kind of fun to like stave them off of shit that's under the tree with an advent calendar. This is a good option. It was under 40 bucks. And for anything Lego branded to be under 40 bucks. Right. It's a that's a win. And they're good. They're good characters. You got a Luke, you got the Akosha, Leia in a Christmas sweater. Akosha? Ahsoka?
Everett Ahsoka? I don't know. It's been a while. Akosha? Oshkosh? B'gash? Is it, is it Ahsoka? Maybe it's Ahsoka. I, fuck man. I'm sorry. Ah, Ahsoka Tano. There it is. There's one of her. Maybe Ahsoka. Yeah.
Andrew I don't think it's like, we can move on.
Everett This is getting dangerous. Uh, Andrew, I've got another thing. Do me. I bought this last week an article of clothing and I spent a lot of money. I spent more money than I really ever intend to spend on something like this.
Andrew This is a thing that you wear every day anyway.
Everett But I decided I wanted this a while back and I finally pulled the trigger and I can say confidently that this is my favorite article of clothing I've ever purchased in my entire life. Full stop. Now I'll tell you my second favorite article. The edible underwear you bought me last Christmas. Of clothing. That is third. My second favorite article of clothing I've ever purchased is a pair of Ermenegildsenia slacks that I purchased on eBay. They're probably $1,000 pants, and I got them for like $145, and they are perfect. They are perfect. The bottom, I had them tailored. They're perfect. They're the best pants I've ever had in my life. That's number two. This is a sweater. It's a cardigan. I wanna talk a little bit about the company. So the company is a Portland company called D.E.H.E.N. D-E-H-E-N. This is a company started in the 1920s. as a like a sporting goods manufacturer, a sporting clothes manufacturer. They made for Oregon schools at the time and then quickly for other schools around the country, letterman jackets. So, in Oregon... Oh, that's why that material looks familiar. In Oregon, we have two companies. One of them is called Settlemeyer, and one of them is called Deon. And these are two of the original manufacturer of Letterman sweaters and Letterman jackets in the United States. So, if you've ever owned a high-quality Letterman sweater or a Letterman jacket, You likely have a garment that was made by, you very likely have a garment that was made by Settlemire and or Dian. These companies are both in Portland. They've operated. Cause Portland's cool. Side by side and have been competitors, but you know, friendly type of competitors. Anyway, both of these companies. You're the only two in the market. Let's be serious. You're not real competitors. 20 years have sort of like shifted to be, to take advantage of the like niche high quality goods. market. So Deon has all these 1950s knitting machines, four-end knitting machines, and they make a jersey knit sweater. It's the same sweater that they've made since the 50s, a jersey knit cardigan, and it weighs, I don't know, three pounds i mean it's just like you pick it up and it's like holy shit so i bought a dian classic cardigan sweater and i have never never ever ever had an article of clothing that i love as much as this i just Love it. I want to do they have a like a showroom like a store in Portland.
Andrew They do Yeah, and also I on one of these Christmas over shirts port.
Everett Oh the Christmas over shirt is a waxed canvas They have them at Porter house Porter house here downtown on Broadway
Andrew Oh, they do.
Everett They do.
Andrew I want to try one on because I could get that. That would break in so nicely. It would suck for like the first two years you owned it.
Everett So I have their heavy duty. I have the DN heavy duty raincoat, which is the same material. Um, and it's cool, but it's waxed cotton. It's wax canvas. So it's like, it's a, it's a thing, right? That's a whole vibe. Uh, but the DN cardigan, like I said, I do not exaggerate when I say, It's the nicest, my favorite article of clothing I've ever bought. And I'm sure, Andrew. that I will have this thing, your kids will wear it, 30, 40 years from today. Inshallah, I will be wearing this thing 40 years from today.
Andrew This is the cardigan that you're wearing in like pajama pants and slippers. Yes. Sitting on the back porch sucking down heat rods or smoking a pipe.
Everett That's right.
Andrew That's right. I have trouble getting on board with a $185 hoodie though.
Everett And let's be clear, this, yeah, the hoodie, I don't know about that. This thing is made in America, made in Portland, Oregon, on machines that this company has owned for 70 years. I mean, it is the epitome.
Andrew I mean, the sweater I can get, I can get behind, a $400 sweater.
Everett But it's 350 bucks, right? Yeah. That is a fuck ton of money. Now, Andrew, I gotta tell you something. I found another one online on eBay. Yeah, you did. And it was old, I think it's from the 70s, and it had a couple holes in it. I bought that and it's coming.
Andrew Yeah, you did. And I'm gonna get those repaired. What color is the one you got on eBay?
Everett Mustard yellow. Yeah, it is. Yeah, yeah, it is and the buttons are all like like cracked and smoke-stained I'm gonna it's been spent hundreds of hours in a bowling alley, but I love this thing so much I'm like, I'm gonna see if there's any I can find so I found one from the 70s and picked it up and I wonder I'm guessing it's the same as I looked at the pictures. Did you go blue for the brand-new? What the Navy? Yeah. Yeah, I honest I would have expected burnt orange.
Andrew I
Everett Oh yeah, I wanted something to fade it, to fade the black in the office. So is it just going to hang in the, just hangs on my coach tree in my office every day. I'm going to wear it. No, I put it on every day. Okay. Yeah. It's a, it's for the winter, right? I'm not gonna wear it in the summer, but my office is a little cold and you know, we're in the sixth floor. You don't want it to hang, man. It's going to get stretched out. I've got a, I've got a perfect sweater hanger for it. It's fine. I trust you. Trust me. I do. I do. It's the greatest article of clothing I've ever bought. Go look DN classic cardigan. They also, if it's your thing, they also have a shawl collar cardigan, love shawl collars. I am like for my body shape, a shawl collar is just too much, but I think for a slider person, you might be able to anyway, I had a couple of shawl collar reinforced elbow sweaters.
Andrew that I hung in properly and they have Princess Leia lumps.
Everett So I had to, you gotta have a sweater hanger.
Andrew I know. I also didn't have, I don't, I continue to not have many occasions to wear them.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Uh, just go look. Just save up a few shekels. Sell one of those fucking Seikos that you're never going to wear again. You will not regret it. I am just gobsmacked by how cool this thing is. Yeah. And with that, an hour and 20 minutes in, 21 minutes in. Look at us go. We don't have, I don't think, I mean, Andrew, you correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think there's anything else we really need to talk about today.
Andrew You want to talk more about Chick-fil-A?
Everett It's not Sunday. We only talk about Chick-fil-A on Sunday. Hey you guys, thanks for joining us for this episode of 40 and 20, the Watch Clicker podcast. Do me a favor, go to our website, that's watchclicker.com. It's where we post every episode of this podcast, but also articles and reviews and other neat things from time to time. You can also check us out on social media on Instagram at 40 and 20 underscore watch clicker or at watch clicker, pictures, other things. If you what you're showing me a Veteran's Day thing?
Andrew Yes, this this upcoming Monday. So Oh, happy Veterans Day.
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Andrew That was that was my thinking. That was why I pitched it during the Patreon conversation.
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