Episode 32 - Destro Watches

Published on Wed, 05 Jun 2019 23:21:00 -0700

Synopsis

The hosts, Andrew and Everett, discuss left-handed or "destro" watches, which have the crown on the left side for wearing on the right wrist. They review and provide opinions on several affordable destro watch options like the AVIG Corvid, Sangin Marine Raiders, Nixon Beacon Sport, and Citizen NY0040 Promaster diver. They also discuss Andrew's experience being exposed to pepper spray during police training. For their "other things" segment, Andrew recommends the TV show Designated Survivor while Everett reviews the movies The Perfection, Deadwood, and Night School.

Transcript

Speaker
Everett Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. This is the 40 in 20 podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Andrew Well, I've just spent the last 10 minutes complaining about how I'm terrible, so it would be a lie to say I'm so good or whatever I usually say.
Everett I've also spent the last 10 minutes confirming your opinion that you are terrible. So I can see how I, how you don't feel any better. A cumulative 20 minutes of being told that you're a bag of shit.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah, no, it's true. Uh, no, I, I'm, I mean, I'm okay. I just, I'm just tired. It's just been one of those days. I mean, I say days, I feel like saying weeks because, uh, it was just, you know, I had drove this weekend, which is no, which is no break, you know, you just. No, it sucks. Sort of roll straight through and.
Everett You work 12 consecutive days whenever you have a drill weekend and it's garbage. It can be, yeah.
Andrew No, it's always garbage. You know, I think it's probably worse for you than it is for me. I mean, sometimes drill is pretty easy for me where I have like a hearing on Saturday morning and then I cruise the rest, the rest of drill. But this was not one of those weekends. This was one of those prepare this memorandum for this 07. uh and and please make it good and also don't forget to conform your memorandum to 25-50 and check it twice and if you could have that to me by 11 tonight so i can review it before the morning that would be great uh it was one of those drills yippee yay uh you know and subject matter was weird and crazy and then uh just turned it around today and did the same thing i spent you know all day working on a single
Everett brief it's like golly it just sucks the mental acuity out of you yeah yeah i i know how how that is i i know weeks like that that aren't physically challenging but are just mentally draining day after day after day and you know what for your sake i hope tomorrow sucks too thank you for that thank you for that so chances are i'm just going to be sort of a a sliding turd all the way through the episode like if you like usual if you put a turd on a table and you pushed it how it just like would streak across the table leaving a snail trail behind that's gonna be me tonight at least though it's solid enough to push and it's not just a puddle or a pool i think i'm solid enough to push or like an oily i know you've had like this oily where you look at it and you're like why is it separating from the water that's right there's i get that after wings a lot yeah no i mean that's what wings do to you I had Toxic this weekend, I think Saturday, and I had their Ghost Pepper Toxic variety.
Andrew Yeah, those are good.
Everett It was not spicy. They're not that spicy. I was, like, as I'm eating it, I was like, I was telling my wife, I was like, taste this. This is, this is bullshit. You cannot call this toxic or radioactive. And she tasted it and she got a little coffee and she was like, no, no, no, that's, that's spicy.
Andrew So if you're new to the show, Toxic Wings is different than Toxic Nados. It's a local wing and burger restaurant here and they do some pretty interesting stuff. But if you're a real heat head, most wing places have like the garlic parmesan category and then they sort of have a list Toxic, Toxic Wings has three of these. Four. Oh, four.
Everett They call them radioactive. And they're... One of them's hot. One of them's hot. The Black Mamba is hot with a W, and it is delightful. The rest are... Meh. Meh. Now, their Toxic Sauce, which previously, before they opened up a second location, they only had one called Toxic. And it was, it's good. It's, it is both spicy, and flavorful, which is oftentimes what you're lacking in a wing sauce. You either get like way too spicy with no flavor or way too much flavor and none spice. And that's what I got out of this ghost pepper variety. It was delicious and I loved it. And I actually used my finger to clean out the little old tub that they give you to dip your wings in. But it wasn't spicy.
Andrew I think the toxic is like Frank's with butter and
Everett both habanero and ghost pepper extracts yes and it's it's good and that's the foundation that they use for their radioactive varieties they use that toxic foundation and then they add uh pepper extracts from either carolina reapers or uh like the trinidadian scorpion which is the hot one and it's delicious and there's one other that i don't recall but the the trinidad scorpion one i think that's the black mamba and it's it's tasty It is maybe, it's my second favorite wing sauce. My favorite wing sauce hails from Fire on the Mountain Wings, which you brought back to me. And you brought back what? Five ounce mason jar? Six ounce mason jar?
Andrew Yeah, it was a small bell jar or whatever. It's just gone.
Everett I put it on everything.
Andrew It was pretty good. That's one of those health warnings. That's one of the ones they make you sign a health warning.
Everett It was a little too peppery, like cracked black pepper. If they reduced the pepper, like the crushed or cracked, freshly cracked black pepper content by like 30-40%, it'd be perfect.
Andrew And so Fire on the Mountain is a Portland wing restaurant, and it comes highly recommended if you're ever in Portland. Check out Fire on the Mountain. They have a few stores around town. The most convenient is probably the one on Burnside, so I think it's on. 20th and Burnside and that's it's centrally located and it's always busy, but they got a ton of seats and they're quick it's And what's that sauce called? I was just wondering the same thing to myself. Fiery butthole? Fiery butthole. I think that's what it's called.
Everett Do you pay a price? Stingraying. Yeah, there is a tax associated with a sauce that hot And my tax is usually phase three Phase one being consumption phase two being digestion phase three being evacuation.
Andrew Yeah You know, I've got my butthole in pretty good shape. My guts are the ones that struggle the most. It's phase two that gets me.
Everett That's the most horrifying thing I've ever heard.
Andrew Man, you fell out. Come on back.
Everett Phase three is usually where I pay the toll.
Andrew Yeah. The troll toll. It's been that sort of lower, that maybe upper intestinal burn that's been getting me in the last six months or so, I'd say. Because I think starting about the time we went to Mexico, we may be up to the ante and perhaps we're competing almost a little bit. And my mouth tolerance got a little bit better.
Everett And my, you know... We ate some spicy stuff. Man. My Chimay's gone. I need to order a pack.
Andrew The three-pack? Mm-hmm. Another hot sauce we've talked about on the show.
Everett It's just so good. If you haven't tried it and you like hot stuff, get it.
Andrew Yeah, Chimay Red, they make a number of different sauces. The red is the one that we fell in love with, but there's another one that's even hotter than that. It's like yellow or orange, maybe.
Everett Something like that. It's their hottest, and that's the one I'm going to get. But that red, it was the perfect. Yeah. Latin inspired hot sauce. It was flavorful, bright, citrusy, and also crazy spicy.
Andrew I'm sure we've told this story, but we're, Andrew and I and our wives are in Mexico and we're sort of in a, in an enclosed resort and, and eating at the various restaurants on the resort. And there was what, 20 restaurants?
Everett Yeah, maybe, maybe more. There was a shitload.
Andrew And we find this restaurant this, this one night and. Yeah, it was a cevicheria. And they bring out, everywhere you go, they're bringing out pretty good hot sauces. They've got like a fresh habanero hot sauce that they have at all these restaurants. It was a salsa. It was delightful. That's right. And for that night, it was just not doing it for us. And so we call our server over.
Everett No, it was on the table. It was already on the table.
Andrew Oh, that's right. It was already on the table. That's right. And so we try the stuff and we're like, fuck, this is good. And so we call the guy over and we're like, Can we buy some of this?
Everett Or can I just bring some back to the room? Because there was a lobster pizza left in the room.
Andrew And he's like, no, you know, you can't buy it. And we're like, fucker, maybe just like some to go, you know, or something. And he goes, hold on. And he comes back with just a full bottle of this shit and just gives it to us.
Everett I offered him a kiss on the mouth.
Andrew He took it. It was weird. That was really, that was the most awkward part about Mexico.
Everett That was the least amount I would have paid for that bottle of hot sauce.
Andrew Well, I think, I mean, the worst part is, and he probably knew this, bless his heart, but the worst part is we're so enamored by this guy who's given us this bottle of hot sauce that we tipped him like 20 bucks. Meanwhile, we could have bought this shit for... For $3.50. Right. So, yeah.
Everett That's how you win. That's how you win. How are you doing, man? Good. Since we last spoke on air, I have also been exposed to OC spray.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Pepper spray.
Andrew Yeah. AKA pepper spray.
Everett AKA pepper spray. And it was unpleasant, highly unpleasant.
Andrew So for those of you, I've told you to keep your hands to yourself. It's going to happen someday.
Everett So for those of you out in the world who are wondering what it's like, don't wonder, just expect that it's the worst. I'd say I was fully recovered from the effects about 20 hours later. No more itchy dry skin, no more itchy dry eyes, no more swelling. The following morning I had an identification photograph to be taken and I'll show you later. It looks like I had been out the night previous into the morning. Just going to town.
Andrew Just getting it. Now question about pepper spray. Is the sensation, is the pain, is it a capsaicin reaction?
Everett Oleoresin cap... Capcom? Uh, which is... Yeah, Capcom. Capsicum? Capsicum. That's the word. Uh, so it is, uh, both the oils and the extract, as I understand it. So the oils, like, bind to you and make you hate everything about your existence, and then the extract burns you, which makes you further hate every bit of your existence. And I can say with certainty that I've never been more uncomfortable in my life like it has such a such a violent effect on your on your senses that you actually lose the ability to think and lose the ability to like have basic thoughts i you've still lost it apparently i still haven't gotten it back thinking back to it i'm i'm trying to justify the way i behaved and there's just no justification like i just i reverted to infancy As a grown-ass adult. Could we put it on wings? I have to say that it didn't burn my mouth and most people were like hacking and coughing and complaining about how their mouth burned and I was like... I'm good. I was like, I'm kind of into it. So, yeah, and actually that's something that I want to do here is do a load of wings. We can bring the family over and we can do some wings and you and I can have an OC wing each.
Andrew I'm into it, man. I'm into it. Although, I'm a little nervous about it. Just the idea of it.
Everett So, I can't give you a Scoville unit.
Andrew Oh, no.
Everett Actually, I can give you a Scoville unit because previously, it's been in the last couple years that OC manufacturers have shifted from a Scoville unit rating to a percentage of capsaicin in it. And here's the horrifying thing. Bear spray starts at 3% capsaicin. Capsaicin? Capsicum? Capsaicin? I don't fucking know. It doesn't matter. Bear spray starts at 3%. So most pepper sprays are coming in at like under one and a half percent. And so if you take that and then take against what OC manufacturers up to a couple of years ago were measuring their spice level at was two to three million Scoville.
Andrew Like the bomb.
Everett Right. So if you, in my head, if, if 3 million Scoville rings in at one and a half percent, so 3% would then be 6 million Scoville. Yeah. If we can get on board with that. Ish, probably. Every year in Yellowstone, there's a, there's emergency room visits related to tourists spraying their children down with bear spray as like a preventative measure. Like, like this, like a sunblock. So stupid. And I can tell you, like, I felt sunburned. Like, the top of my head, I don't know how I got on top of my head. My arms, like, my arms are still a little bit tender, like, because they were burned. They were chemical burned everywhere. Seriously, from the nipples up, it was tender for a couple days. But anyway, I don't know how I got on this tangent. Regardless, we're gonna OC some wings.
Andrew I dig it, man. Just maybe we'll drop it into Frank's.
Everett Yeah, that'll do it. All 2,000 Scoville of Frank's.
Andrew Yeah, but I mean, we need like a carrier.
Everett Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, yeah. No, no, no. I figured we would do like a Frank's toss and then a little spritz of Oseed. Something like that.
Andrew We'll do it on air.
Everett I'm probably going to get fired.
Andrew All right. Well, good. Anything else interesting that you did in your cop training this week?
Everett No, I mean.
Andrew That was the most interesting.
Everett That's the big news.
Andrew Yeah. Don't get Oseed, y'all. Don't do it.
Everett If law enforcement ever expects you to comply, just do it. You don't want to get tased. You don't want to get O.C.'d.
Andrew Yeah, because if you get O.C. sprayed by a police officer, by a cop, a police, as it were, like bunk, so first you're going to get sprayed.
Everett And it's going to hurt.
Andrew And it's going to hurt. And then you're almost certainly going to get cuffed. Oh, definitely. And then you're going to get stuffed into a back of the car where they are almost certainly going to leave you for longer than you need to be left. And then you're going to get taken to booking and get fingerprinted and pictured. And then you're going to go sit in a cell and you are not going to touch anything to make you more comfortable. No. In that four hours.
Everett All I could think of the entire time I was trying to recover was I cannot imagine a world where I wasn't able to access Flowing bucket of water and soap.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Yeah, and some places. I mean, I don't know where y'all live Some places are just cavalier about their uses of force. Some places OC is like a welcome.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett What hey, what's up? We're the police Portland for instance, they they're pretty liberal with their gosh, man I watched a video of Seattle or of I don't know if it's Seattle PD or Washington State Academy I got sprayed by a person, and I was closer than some folks, and I got a little bit longer dose than some folks, but this video on the YouTube, this dude got sprayed from three angles for north of five seconds. Then he had to go through this whole skills course where he's like kneeing a dummy, and he's punching a dummy, he's batoning a dummy, and he has to draw his firearm and shoot a target, then he has to arrest a guy, and then he has to start reciting things like word-for-word definition of legal terms reciting it, then he has to go arrest a guy and read his driver's license. And I can tell you that if I was expected to do any kind of reading, I would have not had my job anymore.
Andrew Yeah, but some people deliver pizzas, and you'd be good at that.
Everett I would be. No, I'd eat the pizza. People would be getting half a pizza delivered to their front door and expected to pay full price. It'd be a whole thing, regardless. I mean, I assume it's a pass-fail, right?
Andrew yeah yeah if you succeed or you don't and you succeed pretty much if you don't die you you pass i'm employed today right so i've made it this far every day is a new journey though well so we're talking about something near and dear to your heart very we're talking about uh watches for watches for i don't know do you prefer to be called special what are left-handed people custom cut cut your custom yeah
Everett Hmm, you know one of the watches that I found today that I was ultimately ended up not choosing Said that all people are born right-handed only the strong live to overcome that and it was a $35 watch on the Amazon With $5 shipping and handling I considered buying it I bet it's a fucking winner probably not But yeah, so today we're talking Destros crown left left crown left-handed however you want to call it, watches. And you know what? Fuck this market.
Andrew It's just not a lot out there, right?
Everett There is and there isn't. If you're looking for an affordable left-handed watch, buy an Apple Watch, turn it upside down, wear it like you're comfortable, say hell to you watches, because they're really not out there. They exist, but they are few and far between. Now, if you're looking to drop a shitload of money, you've got some really great options out there. You've got some vintage Monacos. You've got a whole lot of Omega Seamasters. You've got Resence watches.
Andrew Yeah, I mean, theoretically, all the chronomatic watches, which include Breitling, so all of that, all of those 70s automatic Chronograph made by that group. We talked about this a little while ago the caliber 11 You know caliber 12. I think there's a caliber 90 or something, but those original automatic Hoyer Breitling a couple other brands I'm thinking You know Panerai's got them.
Everett There's just a there's a lot of north of $5,000 options, and here's the deal folks That's not for me, and if you're listening to us. It's probably not for you mmm, and if it is Send them our way because we'd like to see them. Invicta has a surprising amount of destro options though.
Andrew If that's your thing, yeah.
Everett They had a, uh, there's a Russian diver, uh, that has the very, uh, Vostok kind of, um, rush or a diving bell or a diving helmet face shield, like the cross hatch. I don't know why I'm doing it. I was covered my face. It's like you guys can see me. Uh, crosshatched metal grate across the dial. That's kind of cool, but it's 50 millimeters and stupid. Yeah. And ultimately, so we're going to, we're going to bottom line it here right up front. Destro watches are hard to find. If they're easy to find, they're way too big or way too expensive or combination of the two. Right.
Andrew We can agree on that. I think that's right. Yeah. You're either, you're either sort of, taking what you can find or you're really up there on price pretty quickly.
Everett Like north of five grand I think is reasonable. You can find some vintage Seikos for neighborhood of a thousand. You can find some bullheads which I think are arguably they serve the same purpose.
Andrew Theoretically Destro. So to talk a little bit about about what Destro is. So I think that the term Destro means a person who writes with their right hand which is bizarre. Destra, however, is I think right hand or perhaps right in Italian. So these are Italian terms. So destro is maybe a misnomer. Destra, on the other hand, is accurate, right? Right handed watch for a left handed person. So the wording, the terminology gets a little wonky. I think we will probably refer to them as destra watches for the purpose of the episode, The etymology was unclear to me and the functional accuracy of those terms is not perfect.
Everett Maybe that just falls into semantics because if we're talking about rights with your right hand, as it refers to a watch, maybe it's wears on the right hand. Maybe that verb is kind of funky to translate.
Andrew Yeah, no, I think you could be, I think you could be right.
Everett It could be maybe a to do with the right hand verb, which, which would make to wear your watch, to do your watch right handed. Sure. I mean, wear it on your right hand. Sure. Could be the, could work. Cause I mean, plenty of languages, there's not quite the right translation. Um, cause most languages have words that we don't. Right. We use nine or 10 words to, you know, schadenfreude, perfect example.
Andrew Right.
Everett Taking pleasure in other people's pain. And they have a word for it. Why don't we have that word? Hard to say. Anyway, hard to say.
Andrew Um, there is, uh, there is a little bit of an equivalency. I, I, I thought as I was running through this to, to baseball gloves, cause as a kid, I always thought this is so weird. A left-handed, you put a left-handed baseball glove on your right hand and, and, and vice versa. Right. Um, you know, right-handed glove goes on your left hand.
Everett Oh yeah.
Andrew And so I always, uh, as a kid, I was like, gosh, that's the weirdest thing. And so, um, the, you know, you know, it's not, it's not totally unique in that regard, but it is still a thing that can make it confusing. In any event, when we say Destro watches, we're referring to watches with a crown on the left side to facilitate wear on the right wrist.
Everett Yeah. Which I think could be, could be entirely unnecessary.
Andrew Yeah, as our token minority, what says you about that?
Everett What I don't like is that I have to take my watch off to adjust the time or date. I mean, I do too. But at the same time, I wind or set my watch before I put it on. Me too. Now, my purely mechanicals, I wind throughout the day. I usually wind like in the neighborhood of lunchtime or when I'm exceedingly bored. But I kind of appreciate taking my watch off at that point and adding that second and a half on each end of a filler.
Andrew You know when I wind my hand crankers? When I realize they're losing time.
Everett When you've been wearing it for two days and realize like, man, it cannot be 6 a.m. on Sunday anymore.
Andrew When is it going to be lunch already? It's Wednesday. Yeah, that's right.
Everett Yeah, no, that makes sense. But I think what it comes down to is that As much as I would like a crown left, a left crown, however you want to say it for the novelty. I, I don't find that wearing a right-sided crown on my right wrist digs into my wrist. I don't run into any issues of discomfort as a result. Um, which. In fairness, a lot of, uh, a lot of crown left dive watches are designed with that intent of people who are doing a lot of uh, movement with their watch hand, being typically their left, aren't getting the crowns and pushers and all kinds of shit, pushing into the back of their hand. It's safely up their wrist. Um, so maybe being left-handed is a, is a bit of an advantage in the watch comfort game. That wasn't, uh, wasn't by design. It just kind of happened. And I appreciate that because I like being comfortable. I'm lazy and I'm kind of a bitch.
Andrew But you can't use fountain pens.
Everett Evidently, but evidently that's wrong. Like sometimes when you're told a lie when you're young, you just accept it. Like I always joke that I would teach my kid that his thumbs were his pinkies and just see how long that would last. I didn't do it because I felt like there would be some like long-term trauma associated with that. But you just, you know, you know, there's always time to fix that. Yeah. Other people's kids, for example.
Andrew That's right. Mine are too old for it probably. Maybe. We'll see. They really trust me. The Leftorium. That's the name of the shop from The Simpsons. Ned Flanders' left-handed shop.
Everett Yeah. And the other thing is, come on. I'm left-handed. I suffer through enough things. I mean, and I'm not a purely left-handed person. Like, my parents were severely disappointed by my left-handedness. So I'm a really, really ambidextrous type fella. I throw right-handed primarily. I kick right-handed primarily. I'm right eye dominant when I shoot pistol, but I'm left eye dominant when I shoot rifle. I'm a mess. And I fully recognize that. And I know that some people aren't in the same boat where their parents really supported and empowered their left-handedness and they taught them to do things left-handed. I didn't have that luxury. So like in most things in my life, I am a disaster. So maybe this doesn't apply so much to me, but I wear my watch on my right wrist. I also fish right-handed, so I don't typically wear a watch when I fish, because I don't like it bouncing around. I golf right-handed. I'm a fucking mess. You golf right-handed. I do. We've golfed together. I mean, I just didn't notice.
Andrew I've used a club of yours while golfing. I mean, it's a good point. I never thought about it.
Everett Anyway, I think left-handed watches exclusively are a bit of a luxury, but I'd like them to exist. Left-handed scissors are a bit of a luxury, but I really like that they exist because I like to use scissors that cut right when I cut. Because for those of you who aren't left-handed, when you close right-handed scissors left-handed, it actually, it puts the pressure in the opposite way that the scissor closes. So they want to open up. So they open up and tear whatever you're cutting instead of close and cut.
Andrew That was one of the items you could buy at the left door, Em.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew Just saying.
Everett Have you ever seen a cast iron skillet that pours to the right side?
Andrew No. All right. I feel like you got a little emotional. There's some. Do we need to take a break?
Everett There's some pent up aggression here and, and it's going to, you're going to see it for the first and probably the last time in this episode because there just aren't that many. And I'm comfortable saying any. watches available for the watch consumer who we are talking to. People who are looking to spend less than less than $600 on a watch that suits them. And those options just aren't out there. They exist. Puma makes one. Puma makes one. Nixon makes a bunch. Invicta makes some. And then there's some vintage options. There's some discontinued options. But the bottom line is you're not going into Macy's and you're not going to find a watch that fits you.
Andrew So let's get it started. Roll it out here, buddy.
Everett We're going to start with the Avig. Avig. Avig? Avig. Corvid. And it is actually a really great looking field watch.
Andrew Yeah, Avigs are great, man. I really like their, I really like their aesthetic, their fonts, and everything. And this is no, this is perfect Avig DNA.
Everett Everything about them just screams beater field watch. Those are the kinds of things that, and I've said it before, you could throw it at somebody and pick it up and put it back on and you're not worried about it. They're using a Ronda movement, a Ronda quartz movement. The example that I have pulled up is the Ronda 703, and here it is. It's 40 and 20. 40 and 20. 40 and 20. Black PVD case, black dial, great lume on it. Everything about it just says, field watch that if you want to wear a beater watch and you work in an environment where you don't ever have to have a dressed up watch, this would suit you as an only watch.
Andrew Now, these have been discontinued for like five years, right?
Everett Yes, they have been. But one showed up on Watch Patrol, sold for a hundred money in the last week.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett So they show up, they pop up. And if you're willing to be patient and to hunt around, I'm sure you can find one of these for a neighborhood of 100 money. And for a unique watch coming from a reputable company who makes really great field watches, it's a killer price. I mean, their whole lineup right now, even not being left-handed or Destro, is killer.
Andrew Yeah, I lost after that the word there, that new King Seiko. Look and watch. I think that's a fucking sweet watch.
Everett Yep. And, and there, I think their tagline is not your granddaddy's field watch. Is that right? It's something along those lines. I'm probably a little wrong, so forgive me, but, um, but they're really not, even though they have everything you want out of a field watch.
Andrew This has a real, I like the A11. It's, it's maybe not, I mean, certainly not A11. A11? W11? Oh, fuck. Fuck, we're going to do that again? I know. Well, so you guys know what we're talking about. It's either A11 or W11 spec, but it has that look to it. You know, this sort of mid-century military watch look. This is great.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. It's just, it's killer and a great price. And they're coming on an OEM, OD, kind of Zulu style NATO. Right? I'd call it a Zeus. I'm comfortable saying that. Sure.
Andrew Yeah, sort of a heavy NATO. It's a double thickness, but looks like it's a heavyweight guy.
Everett I'd love to get my hands on one and keep it forever. Because that's a watch that I think that you get, you don't regret getting, and you never want to get rid of, especially in a Destro.
Andrew Right. I mean, it reminds me a lot of the Timex. MK1 you know it just has it looks very very very similar to that watch which i think could have i mean yeah we move right on from that but i think you're right on that it's just like it's a really classic field watch um this didn't get bumped at all so i don't know what these are regularly going for but i imagine it's in that same range with the ronda with that ronda movement that 703 it's not going to be You're going to be able to get this for under 200. The trick is to find it.
Everett Yeah. And frankly, a little bit, a little bit on the bigger side for a field watch, but 40 and 20, that's going to fit anyone.
Andrew That's going to be fine. Yeah. Dome crystal.
Everett Just a slight dome to it. Um, and it looks good. It just, it, it kind of reminds me not in style, but of the boulder venture of just a watch you're not scared to wear in any environment short of. a dressed up environment.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett That'd be a perfect fishing watch, or camping watch, or hiking, or hunting, or carpentry, or working in the backyard, everything watch. Fapping watch. Yeah.
Andrew This is my fapping watch.
Everett Yeah. You'd wear it on your left hand, so it wouldn't be winding, but it wouldn't matter if it was the quartz.
Andrew So I pulled another watch that you can't get right now.
Everett Oh, yeah.
Andrew I think this is going to be the most expensive watch we talk about today. Is that right? Yeah, I think so. I think that's right So and and this is a watch that I think that you could find they would have just recently sold out It's from a company called Sangin and we actually got a tip this last week. Sagine? Sangin?
Everett Sangin probably yeah.
Andrew Another 40 and 20 watch we got a tip this week from MGM Mays who was I think feeling sympathetic about Andrews like is the going rate for these. I looked and I couldn't find them used, but I suspect if you're patient, I don't want to be patient.
Everett I want to go to their website. I want to buy the watch.
Andrew They call it a Marine Raiders take on a gentleman's combat divers watch sleek and refined exterior with an interior built specifically for rugged
Everett Subsurface usage and I'm gonna I take issue with that because there is nothing gentlemanly about marine Raiders For all the Marines out there. I'm sorry, but Marines are just like break-even case of emergency tornadoes of destruction So this is a beautiful watch right it is it's a beautiful watch Really really similar to the notice line
Andrew You know, it's got some similarities and some mark differences, but you know, those lugs feel very perhaps Trieste or Contrailian, which is the other one. It's not the Trieste, it's not the Contrail, it is the Retrospect. These lugs remind me a lot of the lugs on the Retrospect. It's got sort of a one-off dial that Says a little bit mil sub, a little bit something else, but it's its own thing. Um, the hands are maybe like, uh, um, a semi, a semi stick hand. Uh, you know, it's, it's not really, it's really unique, but it looks really familiar. That's right. That's exactly, that is exactly what I was going for. They, they, they sell these on a, um, You know, one of these ladder, rubber ladder style straps. Which I can get on board with. Isofrane style. You know, I think that there are only a handful of companies making these. So this is probably going to be very similar to what you'd get from Toxic and their Magnum or Borealis or perhaps Crafter Blue. You know, this is going to be a very sort of high quality I love it strapped, I'm guessing, but it's probably not going to be anything special.
Everett I really dig the way they've done that dive bezel with the 15 minute indicator, the red inverted triangle on the top. Everything about it is just, is, you can tell it's really, really deliberate. They didn't just throw this together and say, ha ha, this is a really deliberately designed, if for no other reason, a great option just for the design that went into it. Yeah.
Andrew And what are they, what's, what's powering it? It's a NH-75. I am almost, oh no. S-P-R-O. What, what movement is this? That's the power reserve. N-E-15. And I don't know that movement. It's an S-I-I N-E-15 movement. Uh, so it's a Seiko movement, but I don't know the N-E-15. Manual winding. Automatic winding. with ball bearing stop second device, so hacking, quick date correction, 21 600.
Everett Why aren't they putting that in the SNK? ISO 6425.
Andrew You know, uh, 50 hours power reserve. Here's what bugs. This is bothering me a little bit. They they're saying these terms, which are not the terms that we use, right? Does Automatic winding with ball bearing stop second device mean anything besides hacking and hand winding?
Everett Maybe these watches are designed to be sold to the discerning not watch person who want to buy something that's highly technical.
Andrew Yeah, I mean it could be. It looks like a watch person's watch to me, so I don't know if that's true. It's a 40 millimeter by 20 millimeter watch with a 49. I mean this is designed for watch people. I just don't like some of the terms they're using.
Everett Maybe they're doing it to grab both populations. Could be. I think a watch person is going to look at this watch and say, fuck me, yeah.
Andrew In this description, I don't know. Yeah. I mean, perhaps that there's, perhaps there's a market for this. You know, what really impresses me is they've used Super LumiNova and 316L steel.
Everett Everyone uses 316L steel.
Andrew I know. And Super LumiNova. Like they're just selling, I know everybody does that. They're putting tires on a car. You know, I hate to come, you know, I hate to say, what, what am I paying 700 bucks for?
Everett Because I am wondering that because that could be, that's a, that's a gentle step up from an SKX movement that you're going to get a 200.
Andrew Well, there's lots of, there's lots of watches that use that movement that come in at, at 450, 500 bucks. I don't know if this is a step up from the NH35 and we should probably look at that. And so sorry if we're talking shit, but no bracelet. Um, I mean, whoa.
Everett Maybe the value's coming in the strap.
Andrew Maybe it's like a real ISO frame or something. I don't know. I feel like we're shit-talking this, and I certainly didn't mean to, because I think it looks like a killer watch. We're wondering. Yeah. Thinking out loud. I think it looks like it. It looks like an awesome watch.
Everett And it's a Destro, which is, you're going to pay a premium for those.
Andrew Why? I don't know. Maybe that's what the movement is. Maybe it's just a left-handed. NH35.
Everett Or they just turn it upside down. We got to try it. We got to get some like, uh, like an SNK and just... Nope.
Andrew People do this, right? Turn the dial around. People do this all the time. So they'll take Timex's, for instance, and, and they'll just flip them around. You know, some movements you have to be careful in resetting the hands, but you can theoretically do this with any watch.
Everett Um, now if it's a date... You're going to mess up the date wheel.
Andrew If it's a day date, if it, unless it's a no date, you're going to have to figure out how to address that issue. Um, but you literally just pull the dial up, flip it. If it's got, if it's got asymmetrical dia feet, you clip them and put dial dots on it. And then you have a death star watch.
Everett Maybe you just, you just get a, I mean, even with a date window watch, maybe you just get a dial with no date window and just cover the date, the date wheel.
Andrew Piece of cake. Any, any Seiko watch you could do this with. Any, any NH35 watch. You can go to Dagaz, buy a no date dial, flip that baby upside down. Destro watch. This might be happening. I mean, it's, it's maybe the most reasonable way. Buy a Seiko 5, go to Dagaz, get a no date wheel or a no date dial, instant Destro watch.
Everett Can I have your SNK?
Andrew No, but you could use your SNK. I like yours better. Well... Next watch, my friend, go. Okay, so... Is this the lamest watch we've ever had on the show?
Everett 100%. No, there's a cool little bit to it, but next up is... I'm gonna start big. Nixon makes... Nixon makes... quite a bit of quite a quite a good handful of left-handed watches now reason being is that a lot of their watches they design around surf culture with dudes who i say dudes with folks who are doing a lot yeah with some some bro sidens out in the uh in the ocean uh with them in mind and um that's a that's a demographic of people who are going to actually experience wrist bite from the crowns and pushers on their watches. So they have... Why is that? Because they're doing a lot of dynamic movement with their hands. A lot of falling, a lot of crashing. Having surfed once in my life, I can tell you that I kicked myself with my heels in the back of my own head.
Andrew I've surfed a lot. I've never noticed anything about what... I'm not sure I've ever surfed on a watch though.
Everett I kicked myself in the back of my own head. All right, so with that dynamic movement in mind, I'm imagining that there's also a lot of really dynamic hand movement that could be uncomfortable if you're wearing your watch low. And I am one who wears my watch low right over that wrist bone. You wear your watch high, so maybe that's part of the reason you don't have an issue. But if you wear your watch low, you're getting a lot of crowns and pushers banging into you. So as a function of that, Nixon has designed watches for broseidons. So, you get a lot of Destros. The one that I selected is the Beacon Sport. It's coming in at 42mm and that's why I picked it because it's the smallest option. Nixon also makes a lot of 50mm watches. I'm not exaggerating, they make actual 50mm watches with regularity.
Andrew Can I say something? Yeah. I don't hate this watch.
Everett I don't either, which is the other reason I picked it is that it's, it's pretty slim. I forgot to write down the, the thickness of it, but it's alpha 13. Um, it is a stainless steel case. It's a black dial with a cool function. It's got a tide indicator. So it's got a 12 hour sub dial with high and low marked out on it, showing you your highs and low tides. Um, which I don't know how accurate that would be. I was going to say how does it, uh, There's some differentiation in there, but generally speaking, it can... It just... Analog tidetelling capabilities into the 21st century. For America, right? But it's a... I think a reasonable sport watch that's coming on a rubber dial, or excuse me, on a rubber strap. I don't like that they have it branded right at the lugs with Nixon written on it.
Andrew I think... I don't mind that.
Everett I wish they didn't because you've got it on the dial already. You don't need more on the strap. I imagine though that coming from a surf-esque company, you're going to get a pretty comfortable rubber strap.
Andrew I like branded rubber straps. That's one of my things.
Everett I don't like Nixon branded rubber straps. But in the way of watches, this has a pretty classy feel to it. You're dealing with a lot of stainless, a lot of gray, silver, and a black dial with really cool hands with a tricolor, I think.
Andrew No. No, it's just a dual color. It looks like it's got loom out on the ends.
Everett Yeah, with rounded tip hands with probably about halfway up the hand. You've got a white line breaking from the black line that's most likely loom. Do we know what the pusher is? Well, it's not a pusher.
Andrew It's got something to do with the tide. Okay. You separate. Oh yeah. For the time.
Everett Yeah. I mean, not for 250 bucks. So I'm, I'm not sure if I'm not sure if it's there for me, uh, on the, the, uh, the description it's custom Swiss made courts, which I, I'm trying not to be disparaging about it because I just don't know. But what I'm, what I'm imagining is that we're dealing with a pretty run of the mill.
Andrew It's some sort of Swiss quartz moon face is what it is.
Everett Um, that would be my guess, but there's a mid green option with kind of like a brass coloring it. It's if, if you're, if you're in the market for, I just want to have a left-handed watch. I imagine this is going to fit that need of being a, uh, a pretty wearable pretty comfortable it's quartz so it's going to be accurate uh watch and and i'm not one to say nixon can't make good watches because honestly they're not making the watch they're assembling it they're doing the design function and it's designed pretty well yeah well you know you know i go back and forth on brands like nixon um i've got like a semi-confession to make i have a nixon watch that i like that i just haven't replaced the battery in you do
Andrew That's a worse confession than I was going to make. I got that email the other day or that text message that says, what do you think about MVMT watches? This is, you know, the person who knows I know about watches that wants me to sort of weigh in on this watch they have. I could tell it was happening. That they have or that they were about to purchase? Well, you never know. It's different. You never know, right? So, as it turned out, this person had a watch whose wife had bought it for him. And so, I'm always reluctant to sort of trash a watch, but I just sort of think about it. I kind of just took a step back because I was, you know, I didn't want to say, I didn't want to be that guy. And so, you know, I said, well, NVMT are popular watches. They're arguably fashion watches, but I can't think of anything negative to say about them that doesn't sound douchey or nerdy.
Everett I think you can maybe do better for the price point. I don't know that you can.
Andrew But I don't know if you're... $150 for Ronda and or Miota Swiss Quartz. The sizes are reasonable. I think they're a touch big. I think they can run big, but they're not as big as Nixon's. I mean, they run between 40 and 44 millimeters. The designs are interesting. They're mostly quartz, but they're good quartz, Miyota quartz, and some Ronda quartz. They're not generic Chinese. And I was like, gosh, I'm thinking about it. And the more and more I think about it, I'm struggling even to say something bad about it that's nerdy and and watch douchey like there's just nothing bad about i i i had to sort of take a step back and say why don't i like mvmt watches and i'm not sure i can answer the question right now today the only thing i can think of is that they've got stigma associated with them i think for me
Everett What I can say I don't like about MVMT or movement watches is that they are designed around what is on fashion right now and mass produced as a function of that. I don't see innovation or creativity behind their designs that I want to see in watches. I don't know if they have an MVMT DNA that you can look at and say, Oh, that's definitely MVMT because what's the difference between them and say any of the other watches in that, in that category who are capitalizing on that Bauhaus feel being on trend right now, which is not to say that they're not doing a good job because they're, they're hitting the nail right on the head. And if, you know, as a, as a business practice, is it wise to be, saying, I'm going to create this one of a kind, really unique, really specifically designed product that only a really small segment of the consumer market is going to enjoy.
Andrew Yeah, but MVMT, this isn't 2015 where MVMT has two watches. I mean, they've got a whole, they've got a whole host of watches. So this is the, this is the one I was looking at. This is a 40 millimeter. It's called the Odyssey Gritty Glow. Now this is obviously, a bit of a like super AP, AP or Aquanaut styled watch, but it's not aping on those for sure. It's an integrated bracelet watch. It is minimalistic. It's got MVMT's logo at 12 o'clock. It doesn't have any numbers, but super discreet and fucking sexy. These baton markers with the little bits of, or not, uh, these, uh, baton hands or stick hands and these baton markers, everything's attractive. Uh, the date window's a little small for my liking. It's, it's that purposefully tiny.
Everett Uh, I didn't even notice there was a date note. I like the color match on it.
Andrew I mean, but that's sort of picking at, that's sort of picking at straws, right? It's a 40 millimeter, eight millimeter stick. Um, it's got a, an integrated strap, two hand Miyota quartz with date, a two hand movement, two hand movement. I fucking love that. Hardened mineral crystal. That's not great. 5 ATM on the movement, but it's eight millimeters thick. I love this watch 140 bucks Tell me tell me what's bad about this.
Everett Nothing. Nothing's bad about nothing, but I I think the the the watch kind of nerd in me wants to see a Little bit more purposeful design don't just capitalize on what's cool innovate Yeah, I don't know. Is Seiko doing that? Is Citizen doing that? Are any of these watch companies doing that? I mean, fuck, Rolex is not doing that.
Andrew Yeah. I think that it's hard in good conscience to fairly say MVMT watches are bullshit watches. I wouldn't call it a bullshit watch. Those specs in and of themselves are really good. Uh, you know, they might not be your thing, but I had to, I said I had a confession to make because I was on the website and I was really struggling to explain why it is we don't like MVMT. I felt like an asshole.
Everett I think it's just, I think it's just a function of, of mass produced on style. I don't think there's an MVMT DNA.
Andrew My next watch is a Seiko men's, I think this is called the land shark, perhaps. is the nickname for this watch. Sounds dangerous. That does sound dangerous. Have you seen Shark Avalanche? I've seen Sharknado.
Everett Shark Avalanche is better.
Andrew I doubt that. I mean, I doubt that either movie is worth really a direct direct comparison. So this is a, it's interesting because is this a Destro watch? This is a watch with a nine o'clock crown and
Everett a four o'clock crown. It depends on what the nine o'clock and four o'clocks do.
Andrew I think that the four o'clock controls the compass. Then it's not. Uh, complication. And the nine o'clock controls the time.
Everett That would, I think then you're arguing that a, that a, uh, G-Shock is a Destro watch because there is pushers on the left side.
Andrew Well, the, the, the left hand crown is the crown. This is the crown. This is the compass control. I accept it. Okay.
Everett Did you just reverse positions? Well, I, I misunderstood what you said initially. Okay. It's huge.
Andrew It's 45 millimeters.
Everett It's like a Orient beast mode. That's like 48, right?
Andrew If the avalanche is skinny Bruce banner and a tuxedo, then this is Hulk, right? This is like the skinny Bruce banner with the, the tuxedo and tatters and heads turned green. Yeah. Um, it's got sort of, I think of them as monster hands, but I don't know enough about the Seiko monster to know how accurate that statement is. It's obviously got a SNK or not SNK, um, 7S movement in it. 200 meters water resistance, which is sweet. It's got a interesting bracelet. The lug, the lug, uh, connections are interesting. It's got some features I don't love, but it is a left-handed watch theoretically.
Everett Yeah. So is an Apple watch and you can text from it.
Andrew I kind of like this. Uh, 660 feet, 200 meters of water resistance. I can tell you're not feeling it.
Everett I think I honestly, I think my 200 meters, uh, or 200 bucks, by the way, I think my sole reasonable, affordable, Destro watches are the AVIG and what's up next is the Citizen NY0040. Insert the next indicators because there's a half a dozen options for them. And you're looking at a Promaster diver, not the not the Ecozilla, but you're looking at a one of their Promaster divers coming in at 200 meters of water resistance. There's a half a dozen colors. There's some there's some variance to it.
Andrew But are you talking about the NY0040 here? Yeah. These are great. This is a citizen automatic movement, which are hard to come by. Really hard to come by.
Everett They're they're they're powered by the 8203, which is and I don't know if it's in a citizen in-house or if they're outsourcing it from somewhere, but it's an it's an in-house citizen automatic automatic movement.
Andrew And they are by all
Everett accounts fantastic movements citizen just moved away from them because eco drive is such a ubiquitous movement they're coming on rubber straps for the most part i haven't seen them coming on anything else uh you got some different colorways and it's it's a good looking diver it's a it's a clunky looking diver it's not that far off from the ecozilla i think really the biggest difference is is the bezel and the the dial size, because with removing that enormous bezel, it has a similar feel.
Andrew You know, I know what you're saying. Having seen these in person before, they are not clunky. They're very elegant, actually. Really? Surprisingly elegant, I think. That's my take on them. They are a little bit quirky. They're enigmatic, for sure. That bezel is enigmatic. I do not think that they are any more clunky than an SKX.
Everett And I was going to say they have a lot of, they are really reminiscent of the SKX. That, that dial is super similar. The hands are different, but it has.
Andrew Both of those things are better than the SKX though. In my mind, this watch is the SKX, but better. It's a little juiced up. It's better. Yeah. I mean, it's got a different movement, obviously, but same price applied, applied indices, or at least. Applied appearance. I can't confirm that they're applied. I assume they are applied indices Comparable finishing I think that it is a ISO compliant dive watch. I don't know that for sure I'm but I do believe it's a 6425 compliant watch that they actually did the 6425 work And they look fantastic.
Everett I like the texture on the bezel better. Yeah, me too. It's intermittent texturing on the bezel
Andrew It's kind of rounded at the edge instead of that sort of harsh. I think these are fantastic. You know, and if you could still get them today, uh, for, and for my money, I would put this on par with, with the SKX, you know, how I feel. I don't feel like the Mako gets there. I would put these on par with an SKX.
Everett And this is, this one is on Chrono24 for $227. Yep. That's, and that's where I found them in that $2 to $250 mark, which is a killer price. You're, I mean, To get a Prospect dive watch at sub $250.
Andrew Yeah, it's great.
Everett And Destro.
Andrew And they sell these on, uh, or they sell these with the full loom dial too.
Everett I've, I've seen those and that's actually, those are the ones that have made it in and out of my shopping carts and I'm regretting not buying them because they're not available almost anywhere anymore. But yeah, they're hard to find. In my mind, like I said, this and the Avig, uh, the Corvid are the two affordable options for Destro watches that are reasonable. There's a, there's a shitload of Invictas, there's a shitload of Nixons, but you're, you're getting a 48 millimeter watch that you're just buying it because the crown's on the left side. I, and, and you know what, if those are, if those watches are your thing, more power to you. They're just not my thing.
Andrew Yeah. Yep. I'm with you. I'm with you.
Everett Well, we're, we're sort of, We did our usual, we're not sure we're going to have enough to talk about. And I had a lot of complaining to do because I, I want left-handed watches. I want watches that are made for me, but bottom line is I don't think they're necessary, at least for the way that I wear watches. Yep. And if they're, if they are necessary and I can only get a Panerai ringing in it, nor the five grand, fuck it. I'm going to buy an Apple watch.
Andrew I think you can get the left-handed Pelagos for under four. Alright, moving on. Other stuff. What you got? I have two things.
Everett Well, three things. Sort of.
Andrew I said other stuff.
Everett I think you said other things.
Andrew Other things. Okay. That's an angry flip of the page.
Everett Alright, so here's the deal. I watched some movies this week. Number one, I watched The Perfection. God, you're the worst. I owe it another watch, because I am of the mindset that if you watch a movie once and you don't like it, you owe it another try.
Andrew I mean, that is just simply not true.
Everett I know you have this rule. If someone you trust has said, watch it, I liked it, and you watch it once and don't like it, you owe it another watch. Because you might just have not been in the right frame of mind. The only movie I can say with absolute confidence that that is not true about is Brokeback Mountain. And I watched it on the recommendation of someone I trusted. no longer i watched it and i was like no this is just a bad movie this isn't it it's not the content i don't like it's just a poorly made movie and i from then on didn't trust that person now the perfection i see what you're talking about i saw it all it had it it felt to me like a tarantino if you're just tuning in last week
Andrew I made a very strong, very strong pitch such that I watched it, that the perfection in my mind is perhaps going to be one of the best movies of 2019. So that's, so that's just a call back just to, to give context in case you are a new listener or you don't listen every week. We'll forgive you. You're caught up, Andrew go.
Everett It felt kind of Tarantino-y. It was, it was very hard turns. Like you're watching segments. It's a new story with each chapter. And it's even chaptered kind of like a Tarantino where in all of his movies, it's, it's very, it's chapter by chapter and then they all wrap up. It was hard for me. I'm somebody who can typically see to the end of a movie. Uh, you're not going to twist me. And this movie did not twist me and I want to be twisted. I want to be surprised, and from like the outset, after chapter one, I knew what the rest of it was going to happen. It felt very color by numbers from my first watching. Now, I'm going to watch it again and see if maybe I feel differently. Maybe I wasn't in the right mindset to watch it, but I am not on board with it being one of the best movies of 2019. Not by a fucking long shot ever. Next. Deadwood the movie. I haven't seen it yet Having watched the Deadwood series.
Andrew Yeah, I Liked it. It's one of the few that I've watched more than once. That's it.
Everett Yeah, I liked it it offered resolution it it brought in a lot of The problem that I have with it is it's not standalone. You can't make a stand a movie that doesn't stand alone The movie is not standalone? It's not. You need to have seen the show. Oh, very interesting. And you need to have seen the whole show. I watched it with my wife, who hasn't seen any of the show.
Andrew Wild Bill dies fairly early. Not in the movie, but in the show.
Everett Yeah, Wild Bill's already dead in the show. So it's a prologue.
Andrew That was my gratis spoiler for anybody who hasn't seen it.
Everett It's an epilogue to the series, which it's kind of pitched as. But if you're going to make a movie spinoff of a TV show, it needs standalone. And it doesn't, not at all. So the whole time I was watching it with Sam, I felt like I was explaining things, because there's flashbacks to the show.
Andrew And she wants to know what had happened.
Everett Yeah, because there's things that just don't make sense if you haven't seen the show.
Andrew Interesting. And I didn't like that. I feel like you're being a negative Nancy this week.
Everett Last up, Night School. Oh my god, yes! Night School had me in stitches. like you know it's good when you're alone watching a tv show or a movie and you're laughing out loud you have to pause it because the the sound and in convulsions associated with your laughter make it hard for you to continue watching and i rewound at points to be able to re-watch because of how funny it was and i paused at points because i was laughing too hard to take it in okay tell me more tell me more what is it where do you find it It's on, I watched it on, on demand. It's a relatively new release starring Kevin Hart, who, uh, I think that the tagline is HBO on demand or Comcast or Xfinity, whatever I have Xfinity on demand. It's in the HBO lineup, uh, starring Kevin Hart, who is a, uh, high school dropout who went to work as a barbecue salesman was really successful. I was invited to take over that barbecue business, blew it up, literally exploded the shop, and then had to return to night school to get his GED. And it is a movie that did twist me because I called what was going to happen. I was wrong. Sorry, I spoiled it a little bit. But maybe you're not as intuitive as me. No matter what, you're going to enjoy this movie. It was funny as shit. It had me laughing out loud. It has Rob Riggle, who like his, the sight of Rob Riggle. It's funny. Makes me laugh. Yeah. It just, just, he doesn't have to say anything. He'd just be an extra and I'm going to laugh. Uh, killer lineup. Absolutely. Watch it. You're going to, if nothing else, you're just going to laugh. So those are my other things. Two thumbs down movies and one thumbs up movie. That's it for me. That's it for you? That's it for me. Watch Night School, y'all. It was hysterical. Alright. Watch the Deadwood movie if you've seen the show. Give The Perfection a revisit.
Andrew Well, I've got another one too, but it's also just TV. I feel like we were heavy on the visual entertainment this week.
Everett We're lazy bastards.
Andrew We're lazy bastards. So, have you watched Designated Survivor? Yeah, I loved it. So I, Kim and I started Designated Survivor the other night and uh, I love the story. Uh, I think we're probably about four or five episodes in and it's super compelling, but it's one of these shows, uh, so I'm going to recommend it. I'm going to give you a, I'm going to give you a hard recommend. I'm going to cosign. However, it's one of these shows that really irks me. It irks me because it's lazily produced. Yeah. Some of the writing is not great.
Everett Much of the writing is not great.
Andrew Some of the acting is not great. Much of the acting. And they make mistakes. They make mistakes, screenwriting and script mistakes that I find inexcusable.
Everett I think that is a function of network television trying to fill the 24 void. It feels a lot like 24. Yeah, it does. And it has nothing to do with the lead actor.
Andrew I don't think it was put together as well as 24. 24 also had its weak moments, but I feel like the contrast between quality of story and quality of production thus far in Designated Survivor is one of the biggest deltas I've ever seen.
Everett That's a network TV issue, man.
Andrew Yeah, perhaps. Perhaps. You know what? If you're ever making a movie, and you want to put an army guy in the movie, don't you fucking dare make that army guy flip his collar up because literally no one in the army ever puts their collar up. Ever. Unless, unless they're getting CS gassed or playing paintball.
Everett Yeah, that's it. And you know, I did a lot of reading. Uh, I don't know why I was, I was trying to figure out, Oh, ever just smacked his face on the table.
Andrew Um, I'll be okay.
Everett I did some reading on, uh, why military uniforms are always so like blatantly jacked up in movies, in movies and television. It's cause they don't hire consultants. And that's what it came down to. Cause I'd heard some at some point in my life. Oh, it's cause they can't, they can't wear it right. Because it's a, it's like, like the militaries, Endorsing it. No, it's because they don't hire consultants or they hire consultants and say no this looks cooler and Sometimes it does look cooler hurt locker dudes hands dudes shirt sleeves rolled up all the time Fingerless gloves dude looks way cooler.
Andrew But you know what?
Everett That's how operators wear their uniforms Yeah, but EOD isn't operators and I'm sorry for y'all EOD folks. You're not actual special forces You're just not right like you're at the techs. Yeah, I'll buy it But your O grades, man, they're just like me. They're not special forces.
Andrew All right. Well, we're going to wrap it up right there. You're not.
Everett And I'm sorry. You guys do some really cool shit, but you're not operators. You're EOD techs, which is a whole world in and of itself. That's super specialized and super high speed and super fucking cool. But you're, you're not, you're not dev group. You're not ODA. You're just not. And that's okay! You don't have to be, because you have your own cool thing!
Andrew But roll your sleeves down.
Everett Yeah, because you want them down, because if you get burnt, because shit blows up in front of you, you'd like that fire-retardant material between the fire and your skin. So please, for your arm's sake, don't be a burn victim.
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