Seiko is Back, Baby! (313)

Published on Wed, 23 Oct 2024 22:43:34 -0700

Synopsis

In this episode of the 40 and 20 Watch Clicker podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss a variety of watch-related topics and other subjects. They begin by talking about Everett's recent experience with nonprofit paperwork and using AI tools to help navigate unfamiliar tasks. The hosts then delve into several new watch releases, including the Andreas Strehler Flore et Faune, new Oris Diver's Date models, a Seiko Prospex diver, and Patek Philippe's new Cubitus collection. They also discuss releases from Hamilton, Nomos, Farer, and Tissot. The conversation touches on the hosts' opinions on these watches, their design elements, and their place in the market. The episode concludes with Andrew sharing a prank device he encountered at work and Everett recommending a Korean cooking competition show on Netflix called "Culinary Class War."

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett Muted. You know, I'm fine.
Andrew Busy, sports, practices, work.
Everett Sports have slowed down, actually, so We're officially done with fall baseball, which is nice. Um, because it's, it's a big commitment. We still got some ultimate frisbee and some soccer, but it feels more, we're in a more manageable phase of fall sports right now.
Andrew A little bit winding down.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. I've, I've been, I've jumped into the world of nonprofits. So my other show, the Oregon reporter podcast, was filed as a non-profit this week, and we've applied for tax-exempt status, which is an operation. So I've been a non-profit brain. I had to prepare a profit and loss statement, which really is not something, it's not in my wheelhouse. P&L for something of that scale.
Andrew would be a pain in the ass, but it shouldn't be too difficult.
Everett No, no, it's really not hard. I mean, it's as far as PNLs go, it's very, very simple. We've got a handful of recurring monthly expenses and then, you know, a few one-off expenses and our, our deposits are, they're kind of all over the place. So, but really categorizing the stuff for the PNL, um, was kind of the, the complicated bit. Because we're applying for nonprofit status, as long as everything fits within our purposes, it's not a, like a traditional for-profit activity. Um, it's pretty, everything's just the same, right? There's no deductions. There's no nothing, but you know, really having to dive in and understand the, you know, unrelated business income tax and blah, blah, blah, blah. Um, yeah, it's just taken a lot of my like mental energy, a lot of my, uh, extracurricular mental energy. It's been fun though. It's been fun to dive into it. It's something that I've, I've flirted with in professionally, but never, never this side of it. Never as sort of the internal ops side of nonprofits. I've done the legal side. Um, and certainly that's been involved here, but that stuff's sort of like, man, this is getting a little bit of a bubble while moving along. So, Uh, it's been interesting, man. Uh, we've also, we also like had to create a, a posting to put on the, like a, the law school's job site for our first intern. And it's an unpaid internship, but it's stipended, stipend, stipended, stipended. Uh, and so, It's a stipend position, an unpaid stipend internship position. So, like, had to understand the rules related to, you know, the Department of Labor rules related to unpaid interns. And it actually winds up being a pretty healthy compensation package with the stipend. But, yeah, just it's been kind of a weird week in that regard, really diving into stuff that I had kind of a low comfort level for, which, you know, that's I think
Andrew Guys like us really thrive in that environment. You're like, I can do this. That's right. Yeah. I have no reason to be able to do this, but dammit, I'm going to do it.
Everett And you know, I went to law school, so argue, and I've been a practitioner for over a dozen years at this point. So arguably I do have a reason to be able to figure it out. Yeah, but you're not like a financial guy, like. Yeah, no. And nobody would look at this P&L and say, oh, a financial guy made this, so. That's fine. Why is it in crayon? That's fine. That's fine. You know, but actually the P&L, the biggest learning curve to the P&L was learning how to use Excel. I'm a 42 year old man who doesn't know how to use Excel. Didn't know how to use Excel. Yeah. I wouldn't say I know how to use Excel even still, but I did have to like figure certain aspects of it out. I will say using Excel has been a frustration for me. Every time I've ever tried to use it, I wind up something is not formatted the way it's supposed to when it does something and I just sort of give up. Uh, using Excel with the availability of modern AI tools is a revelation, Andrew.
Andrew Excel is one of, if not the most underutilized packages that a computer comes with?
Everett I think you might. I think you might be onto something there. You know, I was having this formatting issue, you know, it's a P&L. So arguably I want the amounts from this cell and this cell to be combined in some way to inform the data in this cell, right? The data from X and the data from Y should combine in some way to give me the data in Z. Uh, and that's pretty straightforward, but I, I had this set of cells that were giving me weird results. Instead of giving me the product or the sum that I wanted, it was giving me this percentage and I'm like changing the, I'm like changing the formula. And, and so finally I just went to, I don't use chat GPT, I use perplexity, but I typed it in. I just said, here's what's happening. And perplexity was like, it seems like you're having a cell formatting issue. Like, yes, I should have said that up front. Based on what you said, it seems like you've got the cell selected as a percentage. And you need to change it to a general. And I was like, oh, okay. You know, it's one of those stupid things, right? Like, if you have any familiarity with Excel, you'd be like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the first thing you check when you get an error. But I don't have that familiarity, but it wasn't, Unlike the past, it wasn't a showstopper. Like it happened a couple of times. I played around with a couple of things. I just went to perplexity, uh, typed in my query and I, it was fixed. And then I moved on to the next thing.
Andrew But back in the day, you had the paperclip.
Everett It would help with shit like that. Yes, but yes, but, uh, anyway, it, it really is. It really, I felt like a revelatory moment for me. Like, oh my gosh, You can figure out so many things with AI, you know, searching things with AI. Um, and, and probably a lot of you at home already know this, but it has for me been something that I've really, it's only been about six months, maybe a year that I've been playing with AI and it has blown my mind how convenient it is. Even doing, even doing my, 501C3 application, so filling out a form 1023, an IRS form, is a nightmare. And like I said, I've worked on it in the past as an attorney and it's a nightmare. But I used AI, I used perplexity all the way through that process and there was not a single stopping point that made me want to throw it away. It was like, okay, I'm stuck. Went to Perplexity, entered my query, got the information I needed to understand, you know, because it's things like, does your nonprofit have members? I don't know. I'm a member. Should it have members? Should it not have members?
Andrew You know, could it eventually? I mean, if like, yeah.
Everett Ask Perplexity, I don't even know what that means, right? Oh, oh, that's what it means. Oh, Well, no, we don't want that. And the quality of the information you can get is almost completely informative. It's like, oh, I totally understand this issue. Or I understand this issue at a relatively nuanced level now, and I can, after five minutes, confidently answer this question. Really, really incredible. I say this as a lawyer who's very used to figuring out the answers to things. This is actually bad for my trade.
Andrew I would say. I think it's bad for most trades. I don't know about that. Or it's the greatest thing ever. And we'll go, we'll move into this like utopian society where AI does all the work and we just live lives of leisure.
Everett The law industry is valuable for a couple of reasons, but for a lot of, a lot of people, the most valuable thing about the law industry is, is this, this thing that happens that I'm talking about right now, where you get to a place and you're like, I don't understand this concept. I don't have any familiarity with this concept. I'm sure the answer is either A or B or perhaps C, but it's such a remote idea to me. I don't even know where to start to unpack this thing. If you can go to Perplexity or chat GPT and enter a simple query and get this really substantial, but also digestible answer with citations and links to websites that will help you get the context you need. All of a sudden, I mean, the, the sensation I had, right, this like this calming and like satisfying degree of, of predigested information that I can, oh, it, it perplexity not only understands my question, but it understands the confusion and the difficulty I'm having getting into the question in such a way, and I'm not meaning to ascribe some sort of... But it can curate the output. This word-based AI is able to curate output in a way that's incredibly informative. That's that moment, that moment when you digest that answer and you're like, this is what they're talking about, now I know what the context is, I also know what the answer is, and I'm gonna move forward confidently, that's the point where people hire lawyers. In many scenarios, that is the point where people go, gosh, I had to get a lawyer to take a look at this. If now you don't need that, uh-oh.
Andrew I think it takes a special type of problem-solving brain to so clearly isolate the single point of confusion. I think a lot of people are like, ooh, that's too much for me.
Everett You may be right. And it may not be a complete reversal of fortunes, but I do think that there is a band, that there is a band of problem and a band of customer. that will likely be lost to the legal industry, at least a portion of it, because there are enough of our customers who are on the cusp already that are now going to own enough of our clients.
Andrew But then when they misunderstand it, then they're going to have to hire you for longer.
Everett They're like, I really fucked this one up. We get them coming, we get them going. Fair enough. Uh, Andrew, how are you? I am. And I'm sorry for taking so long.
Andrew Yeah, just, just forever. You took our whole bullshit period. No, keep going. We can keep going. I'm also good. Uh, dog training's going good. You know, I have this four month old puppy who's like getting pretty obedient and is eager to please. Yesterday I called him away from his food while he was eating. Like he responded to a come command and it was like, The bowl of... Reluctance. The bowl of food was like acting as a magnet. He was like walking sideways towards me like, I just don't wanna. But he did. He responded. So we got a little bit extra there. Yeah, it's going good.
Everett We're just chugging on along. Chugging along. Yeah. Wonderful. Wonderful. Do you want to talk about watches? We should. Why we don't have to?
Andrew Can I start with something kind of ridiculous?
Everett I actually do. I actually do think we could just talk about AI all night.
Andrew Let's start with something ridiculous. Let's start with something ridiculous. The Flore et Faune. The Andreas Strehler Flore et Faune. Faune et Flore. No, it's backwards. Flore et Faune. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I see what you did there. I think it's French or something fancy. So this is an absolutely gorgeous watch. It is a teaming up of Andreas Strahler. Strahler? Yeah, I think that's right. Strahler. Okay. Strahler. And a master engraver, Roman Hudek, uh, who have collaborated to, do you not like the way I said Hudek?
Everett I love the way you said Hudek. I'm just worried. I was, I was checking our audio levels.
Andrew Oh, you just, you made a grimace and you went to the board like, I'm pausing this. It came in a little hot. You know what? I'm, I'm hot. Cause this is, this has got me a little bit hot under the collar here. Um, So this is a collaboration wherein we have the Roman Hudec hand engraved 18k or 18 karat? How many carats? I think it's 18 karat. I have to double check on this. Um, yeah, 18 karat rose gold hand engraved dial with the Andreas Strehler case movement. This is an absolute stunner.
Everett Oh, hold on. Oh, I want to talk about the watch because I agree. We're going to get there. But, but, but hold on. I want to, I want to, I want, so you've sent me a link to a Time and Tide article, which will appear in our show notes, but I just, this feels gratuitous to me. So the author's name, Borna Boznak? Boznak, yeah. Within the first, so, so without even scrolling, we get Floret et Faune, Roman Hudec, Strela. Uh, we're a tile. Uh, we, we, we get, uh, Renault that poppy Moser and see, yeah, we, we, we went fancy on this. It's just, uh, this is, this is like a amateur watch podcasters. Worst, worst nightmare. Everything that's happened here. Keep going. Just cause this is incredible.
Andrew So this is a hand engraved dial that, that, Dial plate, right? This is this isn't skeletonized by any means or even open work. I don't. It's it's an art installment with tiny little hands at about the 3 o'clock. That really serve no. No function here. It's unclear to me where that. That wheel is supposed to be. Is it what's happening there?
Everett Give it a try, OK? So we're, we're, sorry, we're another interlude. We're trying a San Juan, what do they call this? Seltzer. It's a spiked times two. Uh, I would, I would say boozy.
Andrew It's not quaffable in little small sips. I think it, cause I just took a little small sip. I got a little bit of that boozy front. Boozy. I think over ice it would be really good.
Everett Perhaps. It feels to me, uh, like a, I wouldn't call it dry, but it feels to me, it's got some dryness to it, like a white wine, like, uh, yeah, it's, it's whiny.
Andrew It might need to breathe. That might help like some of it evaporate off. Um, back on track here in a nearly impossible. Wait, wait, I want to ask you a question.
Everett You said, uh, and I've, I've read Similar comments, but you said you wouldn't call it skeletonized. You wouldn't call it openworked. I would call it both of those things.
Andrew But it's, it's a single plate, right? And it's not, it's not to, to display the movement. It's, it's just, it's a sculpture, right? It's not, we're not looking at this. This isn't a, um, a dial plate or a dial to, to reveal the movement in some deliberate fashion. It's just this, this sculpted piece of, Yeah. Gold. Yeah. I see what you're saying. And so it's the, the flora fauna because it is, uh, all manner of flora and fauna, uh, with lizards and crickets and leaves and a butterfly. Koi fish perhaps. You know, the, the, oh yeah. And that one it is. So there's a few examples of this. These are going to be made to order 165,000 Swiss francs, which honestly seems kind of like a a fairly reasonable drop in the bucket, fairly reasonable price, given what you're getting out of this, uh, out of this platinum case, 18 carat gold hand engraved dial, 30 meters of water resistance, which is all you need. Apparently it is, it's, it's just stunning, but it's absolutely ridiculous. This is not a watch that you will ever see in person. Yeah, there is a Koi fish version of it with a couple little swimming fish. It's just gorgeous.
Everett Yeah. I mean, it's an art installment. It is. You know, this is just not my cup of tea at all, but I can totally appreciate it. It's beautiful. I like how the timekeeping, the hands are, there's no sub-dial. But the hands are contained within an asymmetric, what would otherwise be a subdial.
Andrew It looks like the timekeeping function is probably like a three o'clock subdial.
Everett Yeah, that's right. You know, it's maybe not, you know, in proportion to the dial, it probably is like a 30%. Anyway, it's beautiful. Not something I'm going to spend my money on.
Andrew My $200,000 are safe.
Everett No, I'm not going to take a mortgage for this one. I couldn't even get this with a second mortgage, so I'd be a few shekels short. It's cool and weird. I agree with you, Andrew. That is weird.
Andrew Not really our typical style, but I saw this and was just enamored.
Everett So, Andrew, this is a weird week. I feel like there's a number of things that we could talk about. I feel like there are things we should talk about. I'm having a little bit of trouble. I'm having a little bit of trouble deciding what is what. So I, I, we don't, we don't ever do this, but do you mind if I just real quick kind of review like the things that are coming in the next 40 minutes or so we've got, what I believe is Oris having perfected or very close to a longstanding model.
Andrew We've got a... I think it's probably one of the best iterations of an existing model that we've seen in like the last five years.
Everett We've got a delightful, I would say shocking in how good it is, Seiko Diver, not something that is weird or rare. And the watch we're going to talk about today is maybe shocking because in the wide, wide world of all the diving watch Seiko releases, this is, I think, probably the greatest one they've released since, I'm going to say it, the SKX. We've got Patek Philippe's first new line in five years.
Andrew That's right. There are some of you out there listening who have lived an entire lifetime without a release.
Everett So with all that said, I am going to talk about Hamilton. Hamilton hooked up with Engineered Garments and released a 36 millimeter excuse me, a 36, did I say that? A 36 millimeter titanium field watch. And, uh, you know, I read your web links article on this from Fratello and, and he was like, surely they've done this before. Uh, perhaps they have not.
Andrew That's such a Hamilton thing to do to just kind of slyly be like, Hey, you guys have wanted this the whole time. And here you go.
Everett So there's one problem here. There's one problem. This is an LE. And say what you will, we're limited to 2,000 pieces, 1,999 pieces. Say what you will about limited editions, but there are some watches that I think, come on. my thought is this will be something Hamilton will release to the general public later. But because this is engineered garments, we've got a really, um, very subtle, but also dynamite watch engineered garments, refined, subtle peak, cool shit. Okay.
Andrew Um, but also not super subtle, like very, identifiable, like, but, but not big. Yeah, fair. Kind of gray manny. Yes.
Everett Yes. Yes. So what this has, so this is, this is just a khaki field watch, but it's 36 millimeters, no 24 hour ring, which really opens up the dial. It's amazing. And how much that opens up the doubt. The other thing that they've done here, and it's subtle, is the hands are black. It's a black dial with black hands. They're loomed. So there are white loom pips that are visible from the top, but the hands, these are syringe hands and they're blacked out. So they almost, but not quite, disappear on that dial. They're there, but they're not in the way. Really opening up this dial and just doing really good watch things. This comes on a great looking, I should say, titanium bracelet with a female end link. True to form, kind of a disappointing end link, but that's okay. I will take it with this watch. It is terrific. 36 millimeters, 43.2, 12.4, which I'm gonna take some umbrage, but they've given us 100 meters of water resistance with that. I think if they can get this down under 12, I like it even just a little bit more. You've got a really, really interesting, I believe, half visible sapphire display back. It's just a hemisphere of the back. At a 28-24, no surprise there. Or excuse me, H10 caliber, which is the 28-24. 80 hours of power reserve. I'm I think that this is great with man without that inner ring.
Andrew It has the very like 1950s op Smith's kind of feel that is just dope.
Everett Yeah, yeah, I think that's right. Um, I think that's right. Full titanium 2000 pieces, they're gonna sell out rapidly if they haven't. Uh, we've got, I think like 13, 1350. I've got this priced out in euro at 1225. So probably about 1300 bucks. Uh, if you can get one, the trick for me is, is this something that khaki is going to, is this a case embrace of the khaki that Hamilton is going to make available to us in a regular run?
Andrew I don't care about this watch. I think it is. I don't, I don't see a world where they, where they don't exploit this. Cause they're already running the 38. They'll put the, They'll put the different dial in and not the collaboration dial. They'll do their traditional khaki field dial in it.
Everett And I don't, I don't need this dial or these hands, although they are very, very tasteful, but, and they're sold out or maybe available soon.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett I don't think they've been released yet. Yeah. Engineered garments, very cool brand, but I don't need that. There's no engineered garments marking on the dial, which I think is great. The, the markings are all on that hemisphere, display back and they're really well done. Um, yeah, this thing, uh, this, the story here is this needs to be a watch that Hamilton sells. This could be one of the recommendations for best watch out there. I think the size is great. A little thick. I do wish that they'd get that height dimension
Andrew Little thick, but at this price, it, you know, it's coming in with the five, five, six, it's coming in like in that zone and you can actually buy it. Yeah. Well, theoretically, if they, if they drop this in a 36, I mean, 38 is great, but a 36 in this would just be.
Everett No, this is 36. It's 36, Andrew.
Andrew I know the 38 is great, but if this, this becomes a permanent, a permanent installment in their catalog. I'm following.
Everett I really like this dial. Yeah. No, it's, it's a good dial. Uh, dropping that. I, I'm amazed at how big a difference dropping that 24 hour ring or the, the military time ring. Yeah. Um, which some people might say kind of takes away from its field watch like a bone a few days, but whatever. Who, who, who fucking cares?
Andrew You're not wearing this to do that shit. Well, I might. What's next, Andrew? Next up for me. A brand we don't talk about all that often in this context. Locko has expanded the Scorpion line of sports watches with some blacked-out DLC models and they are fun. I was like vaguely familiar with the Scorpion line.
Everett I had to look it up.
Andrew Like I'd seen them like, okay, it's not really Locko. It doesn't feel like Locko. Yeah, it doesn't feel like Locko. Like that's not
Everett Like we think of the pilot watches.
Andrew Yeah. I, I appreciate what you're trying to do and broadening your, your market share, but also stick with what you're good at. Uh, and this is, these are fun. So they've got color matched. They're all black dial DLC cases with four color variants in your second hand and your 15 minute timer on your dive bezel, orange, blue, orange and orange, orange, secondhand and white. blue and green with color matched rubber straps. I think what got me most excited about these was that they're just a little over a thousand bucks on a bracelet. Yeah. Selita 200 movement. Like these are just good. These, these like kind of have a, a sport feel that you, you kind of expect from like Tag Heuer and not Laco, right? They're a little bit chunky. They're a little bit, not exactly modern, but kind of trying to be in that vein. They kind of have the, have like a driving watch feel with the color use, but they're clearly dive watches. I actually got Raven vibes. I got Raven, Raven vibes. I can get down with that. 39 millimeter case, 45 lug to lug. They're 13 thick, which we can forgive a little bit because it's 300 meters of water resistance in these things. So it's like, did you say 30? They have 39 and 42. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. Okay. Sorry. I missed that.
Andrew Yeah. So second size of 42, 47 and a half lug to lug. And the 42s are 13, four thick double dome Sapphire. These are just like good sport watches at, you know, a little over a thousand bucks on a bracelet.
Everett And with the 30 meters of water resistance. Yeah. 300. Yeah. 30 atmospheres of water resistance.
Andrew Yeah. Super legible. It's the Laco legibility that you'd expect from Laco. Um, but in a,
Everett Murdered out dive watch. I've got a beef. Okay. Can you guess? Is it the font? It's the font at the six o'clock, that automatic 30 atmosphere font. It feels crunched to me. It does a little bit. Like spread that out. A wider font is always better. Anyway, that's obviously a small thing. I really love the six o'clock made in Germany font. So, you know, there's a little bit of this, a little bit of that. The font on the bezel and that six o'clock automatic 30 ATM font. They're a little bit condensed. Yeah. Not don't love, but yeah. Other than that, I think it's terrific. And I think on the bracelet, so I, whatever the rubber straps are cool. The colored Metro ever straps, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever. But that bracelet is dynamite that it's got a DLC, you know, Matt DLC bracelet. I think that is. terrific. And I think it's going to weather really well. That DLC is going to, as it sort of slightly chips away, it's going to be a really terrific looking watch. I think these are cool. I think it's a cool brand. Go Loco.
Andrew All right.
Everett What's next? Uh, next for me, I have fucking Andrew. Patek Philippe. Okay. Patek Philippe. Uh, perhaps the most important luxury watch brand in the world, released for the first time in 25 years, released a new line of watches. And I want to say that the watch release that they introduced 25 years ago was the whatever, the two, whatever, the one that everybody hates. And then before that, it was the Aquanaut. Not a brand that's releasing new lines, new collections all that often.
Andrew In fact- But new SKUs, like it's going out of style.
Everett Perhaps. Perhaps conspicuously not releasing models all that often. They've released, I think, a love it or hate it, mostly hate it watch that they're calling the Cubitus Collection. Um, I'm going to be quick about this. I think the hate it reactions are a little overwrought. I'll say, um, you know, there's a lot going on here and this case is really like nothing we've ever seen from Paddock. And so There's something to be said. But we've seen it a lot from G Shock.
Andrew Right.
Everett There's something to be said for a little bit of patience with a release like this. With that said, unlike the whatever, the Code 11 or whatever it's called, I think Patek has done Patek things here. And I think given time, I'm not going to say that this is going to be Aquanaut successful, certainly not Nautilus successful. Um, but I think given time, this watch is going to get praise. And the reason I say this is because of the dimensions. So let's get this out of the way. This thing is square. It's square. It's called the fucking Cubitus. Okay. Cool. Uh, with that said dimensions on this thing, we are sub nine thick. Okay. That is absolutely absurd. Um, it's a sport watch. It's, it's a paddock, so it's got 30 meters of water resistance, but screw down crown. You, you might imagine that this is probably 150 or 200 meter watch. Patek, we've joked on the show a lot about this, but Patek made a decision a few years ago that they were going to change the water resistance on all their watches to 30 meters. That was this year, wasn't it? Maybe it was this year, yeah. Which I think more than anything is a bit of a middle finger. With that said, we can expect that this has plenty of water resistance. It's a square 45 roughly by 45, which feels to me like it should be big, but I think it's actually going to wear. It's a square, right? So throw, throw the dimension assumptions that you have in your head out the window that it just doesn't apply at that 45 millimeter lug to lug. I think this thing is going to work terrific. If not for a touch wide, really with that lug to lug, you know, it's not going to be. It's not gonna hang over your wrist at 45 millimeters on the lug-to-lug. And it's sub nine thick. Yeah. 8.5, no, excuse me, 8.3 millimeters thick.
Andrew Is that the same thickness for the 5822, the one with the grand movement?
Everett No, so the grand movement I think is 8.7 or 8.6 and change. Oh gosh. Yeah. Yeah, so really a chunk. Okay, so there's one of these that's going to be incredibly popular. That's the 5821A. I can't remember what A stands for, but it means steel, okay? The first, the A, oh, Acier, which is steel in Swiss, I guess. That is... In Swiss. Thierry's talked a lot about like limiting, famously talked about limiting steel watches. And we have to imagine that there's more ability to provide these, but they want to increase the value of these by limiting the quantity that goes out in the world. This is going to be the one that everybody wants, this gorgeous green dial, steel case. That's going to be the one that everybody wants. They've also got the 58211-1AR which is the two-tone. Steel and rose. Excuse me, steel and rose. Blue dial, fine. It's fine. It's fine. Also, the bracelet, it's an integrated bracelet, but it is all paddock. So what do we got? We've got a touch over 40 grand on the steel, probably impossible to get. A touch over 60 grand on the two-tone. And then we've got the one, the platinum, This is the baller. Blue dial, instantaneous grand date day and moon phase. Andrew, what the fuck is an instantaneous grand date? Nobody knows. Nobody knows because it's brand new. The truth is nobody knows. So this is a brand new complication for Patek and for the world. I don't know enough about Patek. I don't know enough about grand complications to speak on this. I'm going to give the most layman layman explanation of this that I can. What this is, and I'm probably missing things, but I'm just going to talk about one feature of this. This is a digital seconds readout located at the 12 o'clock with two discs that show the different seconds, which gives you an instantaneous, seconds readout it's a stop seconds readout in digital form and it's happened super fast which or excuse me jumping seconds 18 milliseconds uh which is right now these are two numerals on different disks on the same plane aligning perfectly within the dials white gold apertures based on six separate patents, including a tangential break, a dual functioning spring, a dual functioning spring mechanism, a flexible plate, a flexible connector, and a new kind of positioning system. Thank you, Ben Klamer, for those words. Uh, all right. All right. Requires just five adjustments per year. Um, yeah, I, I don't know. Okay. I don't know. It's got a micro rotor that's gorgeous. The whole thing is crazy. It's beautiful. I'm never going to buy them.
Andrew It costs a lot of money, but- 353 components in this movement.
Everett Only 88,000 for this, which for being platinum and having this move, I mean only 88,000. You sound stupid, Everett. I know, but hear me out.
Andrew A proprietary Patek movement with six- A full platinum watch? Yeah. You know what's bullshit? No bracelet.
Everett Yeah. Well, I think a platinum, I think it would be too heavy and it would probably be $150,000. Worth it.
Andrew Anyway. And like a hidden moon phase inside your day sub dial, like not hidden, but a discreet moon phase. Like it's like they had this idea of how much shit can we pack onto this dial and without you noticing. They pull all of your attention to this running analogs, digital seconds.
Everett There's one other thing they did here. Well, there's probably a lot of other things they did here, but there's one other thing they did here that I caught my eye. Uh, paddocks used to, uh, precious metal paddocks used to always come with a diamond that was at the 90 degree on the bezel. The, they've reintroduced that diamond on the bezel for these, but that diamond was always a round diamond here. This is at six o'clock. It's on the, it's on the, the vertical portion of the bezel. It's a baguette diamond, which they've never done before. So they, playing with the theme. Anyway, it's a cool watch. We can move on. Pat it. We're not going to buy one. I'm not going to buy one. Andrew's not going to buy one. We're never going to see one in the wild. You might buy one. And if you do, good for you. I would like to see it. Come on to Eugene and show me. But yeah, it's cool. We'll move on. We've already spent, Time is our show. No, but we spent too much time talking about the Patek Philippe. We spent too much time talking about AI. I don't hate it as much as you do. That's what I'm telling you.
Andrew I super dig it. I like that whole release. I love the case shape. I love the colors, all of it. I like all of it. I like it more than I like the Nautilus.
Everett I feel like Mike has already, Mike Ryzak has already.
Andrew He's had a stroke. He knows we're talking about this and he's had a stroke. He's down.
Everett He's already written in his brain, if not on his computer, at least 13,000 words about why Patek has sold its soul to Patek. You're wrong, Mike. It's, I don't hate it. I don't hate it. I'm not going to buy one, but also I like it.
Andrew Nobody wants to read your GQ articles, Mike.
Everett You're grumpy. You're grumpy GQ articles.
Andrew Uh, so I have one and we, we kind of teased a little bit earlier. Oris has, They've always made good stuff. Yeah. I mean, they, yeah. Right. They're Oris. They make great watches. They make great watches. It's always good stuff. Uh, the Diver 65 had some like gaps for me and it just never really did it for me.
Everett Yeah. I think, I think a lot of people feel that way about that watch.
Andrew And I think Oris felt that way and they saw it and they answered it with the iterative new release that is now the Diver's date that has made some ever so subtle and such important upgrades.
Everett Yeah, let's get it out of the way. This is clearly the Diver 65. They've changed the name, but this is, this is the Diver 65. This is not like you wouldn't have to like squint. No. In fact, if you saw one of these in the wild, you'd be like, Oh, Diver 65.
Andrew Yes. Okay. Carry on. New condensed typeface. They've changed the bezel insert to be a matte ceramic. Uh, the dimensions are just slightly different in the case profile. 200 meters of water resistance. Stupid riveted bracelet. Yeah. Yeah. So that's a mess for me. We'll get the, we'll get the bitch right out of the way. They did not use the caliber 400 in this. Sure. Because they wanted to keep this as an affordable dive watch. You know, this is 2,700 bucks. This is not, they have caliber 400 diver 65s, right? They're 4,500 bucks. This is not that. They're using the Oris caliber 733 and this is it. This is still in the zone of a relatively affordable entry level luxury dive watch that's upgraded in all the ways that we wanted it to be. It's got an improved bezel. It's got a little bit better case shape. The font is better.
Everett 200 meters of water resistance.
Andrew Yes. Yes, this is it. And I think this is one of the best iterative releases we've seen, because they didn't totally reinvent the wheel. They took all the good things and they just kind of tweaked the things that everyone's like, eh, how hummy about? This should have been a 200 meter watch all along.
Everett Yeah, I think it was fine at 150, but yeah, I hear what you're saying.
Andrew But it has that now. It has all the stuff. It's super attractive. It comes in Three colors for now, beige, black, and blue, all with black ceramic matte bezels. This is good. I don't like the rivets. And I also, I don't, I'm not super jacked on the bracelet.
Everett You know, I think the bracelet's fine. I actually think rivet bracelets are fine. For the same reason that I dislike Fotina, I dislike riveted bracelets because they're not, it's not actually a riveted bracelet. I hate affectations like that. It's just something that grinds my gears. With that said, it looks good. I will not deny that it's attractive, but it's this faux thing that just irks me to no end. With that said, this watch, I agree with you, Andrew. They've really capitalized on what was always a good package and really made it great. I will say All the pictures I've seen of this, so they've released this in a, like a, I don't know, kind of a taupey tan dial. What are they calling that? Beige? They've released it in a black, a true black and a blue dial. I think they're all terrific. Because of the AR on the crystal. I find even the black dial winds up looking a little blue. I think it's beautiful. I think it's stunning that you've got this like a red disc on that. I just love everything about it. I love everything about it. I think this is great. It's 2700 bucks, which is essentially the same price. 39 by 12.1, which works just fine for me. I think they've took what was a really good watch and made it into probably a great watch.
Andrew And if you want this in a caliber 400, I can almost guarantee that they're going to have a 400 available. It's happening. And the 400 is a super cool movement, but this was, this was the right way to start. Like give us the upgraded base model and, and then upgrade the, the upgrade.
Everett I don't know what the taper is. I, I, I looked for about 45 seconds, but I believe the bracelets are 20 to 16, which is 20 to 16, which is chef's kiss. Chef's kiss. So, uh, these are terrific. Yeah. These are good. Yeah. Oh, it's my turn. That was my watch. We both picked it. I just picked it first. Okay. Uh, Nomos. Okay. Nomos, which is a German brand, uh, that makes obscenely affordable, but amazing watches with in-house movements. Have you heard of them?
Andrew I'm unfamiliar.
Everett So, Nomos released two new versions of both the Tangente and the Neomatic this week. What they're calling the, I believe, Dore? Does that look right to you? Dore? I guess so. Yeah, whatever. Neither of these watches is going to shock you.
Andrew No, they look like Nomos. They don't look new. They look like every other Nomos.
Everett The Tangente is a 35 millimeter case. I know this about the Tangente, but I always forget. It is 6.9 thick and different than ever before. What we've got is gold hands. So we've got a Bauhaus dial with matte gold hands. And they're no mouse hands. This is a Tangente. But it is terrific. Really minimal. Everything is just there, just enough. Similar, we've got a new Orion, which I think is 36.4, which is a preexisting and only eight and a half thick.
Andrew The case profile on this is so good.
Everett Oh yeah. This is a display back, both of these are display backs, Orion case, which I love the Orion case. It almost does its lugs, it likes its lugs long, but in addition to having gold, polished gold hands on the Orion, you've also got gold markers, gold baton markers, or batons as I like to say. I've got one problem with these markers, Andrew, do you see it?
Andrew no loom and they're invisible on the white?
Everett Uh, no, that's not my problem with them. I've got, I've got another problem with this and I don't know if this is an Orion thing, but look at the markers. So this, so the Orion, they're offset from the minute track. The Orion is a six o'clock sub seconds. And so there's no six o'clock marker. There's just a tiny little dot right at the six o'clock, but the five and the seven o'clock markers are canted. to accommodate that sub-dial. And it's not even a sub-dial. It's just markers giving the hint of a sub-dial. Look.
Andrew Yeah, they're like five degrees, maybe even more than five degrees. Eh, probably about five degrees.
Everett And it gives me the oogie boogies.
Andrew I mean, that's a fair critique. Just shrink that sub-dial plot a little bit. Yeah. Cause I like that they're not cutting into either with that. Cause the, the, I don't know, the markers in the minute track disparity is kind of jarring for me. I don't know for something it's so simple. I'm like, Oh, I can't, I can't stop looking at those weird gaps.
Everett That's right. That's right. So, uh, what you get, you get to do w 3001 in-house movement from Orion. It's hours, minutes, small seconds. You get 3070, 3070 on the Tangente with the closed case back and 3580 for the Orion with the display case back. They're going to be available. They're available now-ish, I believe. They're not limited edition. There's nothing crazy about these releases. In fact, they're pretty subtle, but they're really good. They're really good. If you've always thought, well, I can't find the right Nomos for me, One of these might be it. I've never been a huge fan of the silver dial or silver dialed tangentes. For some reason, it just doesn't do it for me.
Andrew We've got 30 other colors.
Everett Fair enough. Is Nomos the most underrated watch brand in the world? No. I think it might be. No. I can't think of another brand that is making watches of this quality at this price. I mean, they do, obviously they're doing the Bauhaus thing, okay? But you've got everything from the club campus to, well, I mean, you've got really, really accessible watches to more luxury watches. You've got terrific design principles and aesthetic principles. You've got in-house manufacturer, like true in-house caliber manufacturer.
Andrew I think that would be the only thing that you've mentioned that could put them in the running for the most underrated.
Everett But it is the thing. You've got true in-house caliber manufacturer in a thousand dollar watch, a $3,000 watch across the line and they do it and they don't like brag about it. They're just like, hey, look at these fucking terrific watches.
Everett I think there are some things with the design that are, that are a bit Vegemite. I think in particular their lugs tend to be super long and that's off putting.
Andrew I like those. I don't like their dial. I don't like the, the Bauhaus isn't for me. Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough. If it were, I think I would agree with you or at least, at least maybe be inclined to entertain your, your position.
Everett All right, move it along. Don't you do it. There's so many other things. There's so many other things.
Andrew I want to talk briefly about a watch that interested me a little bit this week. And it's a series of watches from a brand that I love, Ferrer.
Everett Oh, yeah.
Andrew So Farrer updated their Field Watch collection with three new colorways all named after national parks in the UK, something that I did not realize existed in the United Kingdom. And it's hard for me to conceptualize national parks in such a small space, right? Like it makes sense that the United States has a bucket load of national parks because we've got a ton of geography and like, fuck, there's just nothing we can do with this. Uh, let's just, let's just keep it this way. We'll just preserve it. But in a country where, where real estate's at a very real premium, it's hard for me to imagine them being like, yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll preserve this area.
Everett Uh, I'm going to apologize to all of our, all of our British listeners. We realized that you guys have been around longer and have been doing all the things that we do for longer than we do. Andrew's feeling a little bit jingoistic right now. I am.
Andrew It's well, it, it, it, it makes sense. Right. But when I think of national parks, you know, like my mind goes like Big Bend or these enormous swaths of land that are the size of the UK.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew Yeah. Uh, so anyway, these three watches named after national parks in the United Kingdom, both hectares of them. Uh, um, Pembroke, Lomond and Exmoor. I'm sure I said I'm wrong. I'm sorry, y'all. So to... I'm being an asshole. The changes. OK, we've got a slimmer bezel, larger dial, a little bit wider crown. Water resistance to 150, which is a decrease and unusual. Metris. Yeah. I think it's Metris. Metris. Yeah. Case comes down to 38 millimeters, 11 points.
Everett Why are you listening to us? It's a real question to you at home or in your car. Why? Why do you do this?
Andrew So they've thinned the case down by half a millimeter or they've narrowed it by half a millimeter and they've brought it down by half a millimeter. So it's going from 12.3 to 11.7 and holds that 45 millimeter lug to lug and the dimensions on it are just Fantastic. Fantastic. Fantastic. Fantastic. Um, no decks micro adjust on the bracelet. Oops. I clicked no decks for fair. I love no decks for fairer. Um, we have, Oh, we got to get the sand color for Pembroke and they all come with a two cause the two of these are just, it's an iterative release. The textured navy blue for Lomond. And the textured green for X more.
Everett Uh, and these are just different colors. The dials are different. The dials are entirely different.
Andrew Yeah, we'll get there. Goodness gracious. So not only do we have the three colors, the green is a, I'd say closer to a traditional field watch with a pointer date. Uh, right. We just have a, uh, a traditional one to 12 track, uh, These aren't California. No, these are the tan is cardinal markers instead of numbers. And then with a 369 on the blue, all with a pointer date using the Salida SW 221 20 millimeter strap. This with Salida 221 is just 200 series of the pointer date. Yeah, it's a it's a 200 with a pointer date. Uh, these are great. And that it's, it's fair use of color on this, that the, the tan and the blue are okay. The green is phenomenal. You're one to 27 on your date. Wheel are white on kind of a beveled chapter ring. 28 through 31 are orange or orange pointer date blue and or blue and orange tipped secondhand. faux-tened loom pips above all of your hour numerals, maybe yellow instead of faux-tened. Yeah, on the grain, yeah, they're just yellow. They're all good. Yeah.
Everett They're all really good. Andrew, what do you think of the difference? What do you think of the change to the narrower bezel?
Andrew I think it needed it.
Everett I actually, I prefer the wider bezel. Oh, really? Yeah, I do. In fact, when I saw these, I thought, I feel like they've They messed it up a little bit.
Andrew They brought it into the modern era. That wider fat bezel felt very 90s, kind of chunky.
Everett 2000s maybe. I actually like it. I prefer it to this. I don't dislike these, but I preferred that wider bezel. Yeah, these are obviously terrific and lovely watches. Oh, and they are a thousand bucks. The dials. Yeah, that's right. The dials are pure. 1200 bucks. Pure fare. I'm fine with these. I welcome the dimensional changes. Obviously, getting down under 12, I think, is terrific for this watch. But yeah, I do prefer that wider bezel.
Andrew I got to say, too, Farer is a brand that I have always really loved looking at pictures of. I love their design. You can't fully appreciate the color on these dials until you've seen them in person.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew Seeing them in person is a wholly different experience than seeing photos. Photos are fun and cool. Seeing them in person was put it into a whole other gear.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Um, so look, we've already, we've already told you we're going to talk about Seiko. We've got this one other watch that I want to talk about before we get there, which is like an $800. Tissot. So these, so last year or earlier this year, Tissot released the PR 516 chronographs, which were either a quartz or a mechanical chordograph.
Andrew Which is a really cool, we're falling apart, man.
Everett We loved it. Chordograph? Chordograph. They're great. They released a time and date version of this. So a three hand time and date only, which I believe is called the time and date edition of the PR516. It comes with a Powermatic 80. It's got a wonderful 38 by 11.2 size with 100 meters of water resistance. It looks very much like a dive watch. However, it is not a dive watch because, well, for a number of reasons. It's a PR516 time and date. It looks lovely. They've got fixed bezels, Andrew.
Andrew Oh, that's weird.
Everett They've got fixed bezels. So there's a black version with a red secondhand. Tissot overdoes the red secondhand. They do. IMO. They, uh, yeah. Anyway, they've also got a black with a yellow seconds hand. They've got a blue with a red seconds hand, and then they've got a two tone, which is sort of a cream dial with black and gold hands. I think that's a throwaway. I don't like it. Um, I think these are terrific, but the fixed bezel feels... It feels like a citizen move. Yeah, or not even citizen, like whatever's worse than citizen. This just feels like tacky, 90s mall, pull the wool over your eyes, piss on your back, tell you it's raining shit. Like what? How fucking much money would it be to just put a fucking rotating bezel on here? It could even be a friction bezel. And there's 60 minute bezels. Like, what's the fucking point, Tiso?
Andrew I'm not- It isn't. It's just a grabber.
Everett I think these are cool. I like them. That fixed bezel thing bothers me. All right?
Andrew It bothers me. It should, because it's a big miss.
Everett These are cool. They look good. They're a good price.
Andrew They're an okay price. For a fixed bezel bullshit watch, Even if it's using a Powermatic 80, 700 bucks, it should have a rotating bezel. Even if it's a friction bezel. I think a friction bezel on this would be dope.
Everett Yeah, it's weird. But they look good. I think if you like them, it's probably going to be a terrific watch. What's not? It's just such a fucking dumb thing. I don't get it.
Andrew It has just such a huge gaping problem.
Everett So Tag Heuer, I mean, Seiko released three new watches this week. We've titled these catchingly the SPB 481, 483 and 485 Divers. You know, I pulled these up. I first saw these and I was like, huh, what's going on here? uh and then i was like oh that's what's going on here these are i'm gonna say it aqua racer inspired and that attributes some sort of intent which i can't fairly attribute but i also feel like ford max and
Andrew Yeah, I don't think Seiko's following Form X. No, but it has those feels, like the colorway and the case shape with the octagonal bezel.
Everett Sure. I do think Seiko, I do think Seiko's aware of Tag Heuer. I doubt Seiko is spending a lot of time thinking about Form X. And all that said, these are also very Seiko. And so at first I was kind of like, whatever, whatever. And then I was like, no, no. These are incredible. So these are Prospex divers. They're 300 meter watches, which is great. Thank you, Seiko. And they're only 14, no, 12 and a half millimeters thick. So 41.3 millimeter watches, 48.2 lug to lug, maybe a little bit of a long lug to lug, 12 and a half millimeters thick with 300 meters. Excuse me? Yeah. Exqueeze me sake, did you just make a watch with reasonable dimensions that I would wear and not feel like I was getting one pulled over on me? I'm like... Six hour movement. Six hour 55 movement. Six hour 55 movement. Now, the one, I have one little gripe, and it's not a gripe, it's a taste thing. I don't love these. I don't love the dial pattern. So it has what feels to me like a teak dial, but instead of straight lines, they are wavy lines, which it's coastline, like course coastline or whatever. Fine. Fine. But everything else I'm like, yes. And you know what? Because it's so good because it's so good. I don't mind that you get a sacred, Bracelet and clasp. And it is a Seiko bracelet and clasp.
Andrew How do you feel about the automatic three days text?
Everett Uh, whatever.
Andrew Yeah, whatever. It doesn't bother me. For somebody who gets militant about text.
Everett No, I don't get, I don't get militant about text. I get more militant about fonts. And it's fine. The font is fine. I don't care about the text. The text is fine. I don't give a shit if it's misspelled. Yeah. I mean, genuinely, if it was misspelled, I'd want it more. Um,
Andrew Like a double stamped coin.
Everett Or double struck. These are a lot of polish on these things, which is different. Ceramic bezel inserts. And they're like 1300 bucks, 1200 euro. So like 1350. I'm sure there's an American price on these. Yeah, so it's more expensive. Look, these are more... It's a pro-spec Seiko price.
Andrew That's right.
Everett Dude.
Andrew This is their 1,000 to 1,500 diver range.
Everett I'm like, yeah. Yeah. We've got to drop down from the lugs to the bracelet, which is a Seiko thing. Seiko does this. I don't think everybody loves it. I like it. I like it when brands don't try too hard to make everything meet up and match up. They've got a milled dimensional and link, which is great. They've got a fantastic, it's not quite an oyster. It's sort of that rounded president D oyster. Um, I, I'm going to say it again, Andrew. I think that this is the best most Seiko Seiko since the SKX. I didn't feel that way right away. It took me probably like three or four times coming back to this. Like I'm maybe sold on this thing.
Andrew It does need a little burn off. Because it's unusual for Seiko.
Everett So we've got like a sort of a petrol blue. I don't know what they're calling the colors. Okay, so here's a gripe. There's no black. We've got a really good petrol blue bezel, petrol blue dial combo. We've got a black dial with like a copper bezel, and then we've got a white dial with a black bezel. I do think this watch needs a black on black. Just buy two.
Andrew Okay. Buy the white and the black, swap the bezels. Okay. Well, frankly... I think that copper would look great on the white. And then you're selling a one-of-a-kind watch.
Everett Yeah, right. Oh, but put that aside. The petrol blue is good enough. It gets me close enough, and they're not calling the petrol blue. They're just calling blue, but it's not blue. It's petrol blue or something like that. Mm hmm. Well, the green to it. It's a good blue. Yeah. Yeah. Sort of like a blue black with a bit of a green. I agree with you, Andrew. Man. Hey, thanks, Seiko. This is great. Good. Good job. This is great. It's not actually anything crazy. It's just like uncharacteristically solid for Seiko with no like obnoxious dimensions, 20 millimeter lugs on this.
Andrew Yeah. They could have easily made it a 22.
Everett Which would have fucked it up. It would have fucked it up. They, they nailed everything. They nailed it.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett I'm not going to complain about the no black on black because that's just colors. We can fix that.
Andrew Yeah. I've got some nail polish.
Everett I mean, Seiko can fix that with another release.
Andrew So they'll, they'll do some more color releases of this. We'll have a dozen colors in the year.
Everett This to me is the new, the Seiko dive watch, right? Is the new go-to. This is like that sort of entry level, It's hard to call a $1,200 or $1,300 watch entry-level.
Andrew It's your entry-level big kid watch, right? Like your first real emotional purchase watch.
Everett I think so, yeah.
Andrew I mean, it's the person who's got four or five sub-thousand dollar watches and is like, I think I'm ready to do it.
Everett This is to me like what, you know, when you and I got into watches, there was the SKX, which was cheap, I think I bought mine for $180. Super accessible. It really, for a lot of people, was... It was the gateway watch. The gateway watch, right. And then from there, you had a number of really cool, but flawed, I'm willing to say, aesthetically flawed or idiosyncratic watches. So, right, you had the Monster. You had the Samurai. You had the Tsum. All three of those watches are beloved for very good reasons, but they're all idiosyncratic in their own ways. This, to me, feels like the culmination of those three lines of watches. Obviously different in a way. We've got this octagonal, what they're calling polygonal bezel. But it's super subtle. And it just, to me, feels less bombastic. than all three of those watches. Samurai with its sharp, angular, it's like, okay, that's not for everyone. Monster, obviously, is the monster. The Sumo, really close for me, but just a little too Sumo. Yeah. This to me feels like the predecessor.
Andrew Don't you have the Turtle too in that range?
Everett Yeah, Turtle. I mean, really, Turtle comes later. And then ultimately, I think, was really meant to replace the SKX and just didn't... It didn't get the legs, yeah. It didn't really have the legs. And you had that baby turtle, which I thought was great, and really, I think, was intended to be the SKX replacement, and of course, did not have the legs. This, to me, feels more like the successor to those other three watches. It's just a little slightly higher end, It's a little nicer, but this to me feels like it does what they did better. I think perhaps for that reason, the less bombastic reason, this is going to get a little less play too. I'm worried that it will. I'm worried that this won't catch on because I think that this is, this is the Seiko. This is that next level Seiko to get. It's not super, this isn't, this isn't super expensive. This isn't a $2,500 Seiko. It's in that range. And this is to me, just a spectacular watch.
Andrew I agree.
Everett Uncharacteristically good Seiko. I, I, I kept looking for things to like, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and, and, okay. Complain about this, complain about that. Not everybody's going to love it. They really hit it. I mean, they just nailed so many things here.
Andrew Sure did.
Everett Have they done anything like this? I mean, really, when's the last watch? I actually, the baby, that baby.
Andrew In this, in this vein. Turtle was the last thing, right? Yeah, it's the last, like non, I mean, they've spent the last five years on the five sports. They, they've like put all their eggs in that basket.
Everett Or their higher end Prospect stuff, right? Yeah. They're sort of like hot shit Prospect stuff.
Andrew This is, They, I think they saw that they hadn't been tending this market segment.
Everett Great watch. Andrew, other things, what do you got?
Andrew I have another thing. I'm going to play something for you real quick.
Everett You wouldn't, so hold on before we get, before you start, Andrew wouldn't tell me what this is. So I'm coming in dark just like you. And he also said, this is the otherest, otheriest other thing we've ever had on the show. Correct.
Andrew You know that sound. Yeah, sure. Okay. You know that sound. Walking to my team office this morning, get keys for a truck. I hear that sound and I don't think really anything of it. I just assumed somebody left their work phone in the office and that's their ringtone, right? Cause that's a, you know, not an unreasonable ringtone. I don't think anything of it for the rest of the day. Come back to the office. We sit down and we're having a team meeting. Because we interviewed some people that come to the team. And that sound plays again. That, that goat sound.
Everett Is that a Wilhelm scream or? That's the goat, the screaming goat.
Andrew Okay. Yeah. So, so the goat screams again. And I look around and the person sitting next to me is like, you heard that? I'm like, yeah, I heard that. Is that a phone? And everyone's like, no, that's not my phone. That's weird. We kind of go about our business and it happens again. Like, That's, we got to find this. So I stand up and it's intermittent, right? It's, it's like hearing one of the smoke alarms in your home.
Andrew Yeah, fucker. And, and every time it goes, you can move one step closer.
Everett But it's also, I'm laughing cause I played that game.
Andrew It's also hard to isolate like why it's playing. And I was like, Oh my gosh, I recently saw, a noisemaker that plugs into the wall and intermittently plays these sounds. And so we're looking at all the outlets and I hear it. I'm like, what the fuck? And now, you know, all 12 of us are kind of ransacking the office looking for it.
Everett It's the EPD investigations department.
Andrew And somebody yanks open this drawer of a cabinet and an explosion of glitter. comes from the bottom of it with the scream of the goat. And immediately I'm like, Oh, this is amazing. This is like high impact, but really low impact. Best in class kind of prank. So my other thing this week is this ridiculous screaming goat. Hide and prank it is. So it's, it's a postcard size. On one side it says, gotcha, now clean this up. And on the other side is your little package of glitter with a removable film and adhesive. So you stick it wherever you want it, yank it, they find it and they're mad because they've been looking for it for god knows how long, and an explosion of glitter. These are ten-ish bucks with a buy more save more option. So you buy ten. You get 30% off. This is terrific. I'm going to buy 10 of these and they're going to go all kinds of places. And they're the kind of thing that you just like, you just keep on your person.
Everett I'm just going to put it out there. This is not something that should be found in the Meadows house. I will make you regret it.
Andrew I don't think you will. Oh no, I will. But this is the kind of thing that you just keep on your person because it's totally a prank of opportunity. Like here we go. Gotcha. I, loved it. We find it, we remove it, we take it out of the office, and we hear another one. So we find another one, but this time we're pretty surgical about the removal to make sure that we can retain the glitter. Glitter, it's not like stripper glitter. It vacuumed up super easy. It was more like confetti glitter. So it like totally low impact, just like a one run with the vacuum. Got it. I absolutely love this. So for those of you who, uh, are a little bit childish and, uh, are frequently, uh, talked to at work about, uh, maybe, um, improving your, your behavior. This is a means to improving your behavior because it hurts no one except during the hunt. It was very distracting. I mean, glitter, it's not glitter, glitter. It's like, it's closer to confetti. It's like, it's like plasticky glitter. It's not stripper glitter, right? This isn't like, you're not going to be finding it forever. One run over with the vacuum cleaned up. No muss, no fuss. So that's my other thing is this ridiculous prank card.
Everett Yeah, I'm good with it, man. I'm good with it. What have you got?
Andrew That might be the other-iest. It's the other-iest other thing.
Everett Uh, so I am want, to like put on cooking shows like Netflix style cooking shows when I want to like have something on but I don't want to fully engage. And I will say I made the mistake of putting on a show. It was a mistake for two reasons because one, I really needed to be doing something else and this show required me to pay attention because it's a Korean cooking show. Is it dubbed? It's not. Oh. You might be able to make it dubbed. I don't know. Something to look into because it's on Netflix and they actually do a pretty good job with that. No, this was subtitled But the other reason was because it was fascinating. So I've watched a lot. Do you not speak Korean? I don't. It's rusty. And by rusty I mean non-existent. I've watched a lot of cooking competitions and they're all kind of the same, right? Some of them are better than others. Obviously like there's some gold standards, right? Iron Chef, British Baking Show, right? That are just really beloved for how good they were, but then you get a lot of like fluff in the middle. It feels, everything kind of feels the same, you know, maybe you've got three, three contestants and then down to two, uh, and then a champion, right? Sort of the forge and fire format.
Andrew I love me some cutthroat kitchen.
Everett Hey, me too. Me too. So, so I was kind of expecting something like this. I instantly regretted it. Like I said, first, because I'm like, Oh, I'm going to have to watch this. And then second, because I was like, Oh, I really want to watch this. So the show is called culinary class war. It is a new show for 2024. It's a South Korean cooking competition, uh, in the style of a show called physical 100, which I actually don't know much about. I didn't watch that. Uh, It's a Korean, South Korean reality competition. But what they do is they take a hundred chefs, 20 of which are award winning, highly prized national celebrity chefs. And then 80 of which are very, very respected chefs, but perhaps with a little less brand recognition. So respected amongst their peers, but maybe slightly less, right? They haven't won national cooking shows or awards or whatever. These are chefs that are masters in their trade, but are just a little less. They instantly separate them into white spoons, meaning the top 20% and black spoons or dirty spoons for the 80. The very first competition is to whittle the 80 down to 20 to go head to head with the white spoons. And it is like, right off the bat, like, holy shit, this is going to be good. So they start having, they, they strip away the Black Spoon's names and they just have to have nicknames. Meat Master is one of them. Meat Master, who's terrific, by the way. Um, and it, it was just, it, so the, the opening competition is. Who's dad? Yeah, he's a, he's a Korean YouTuber. The opening competition is make your signature dish. There's no rules. The grading is based on flavor and flavor alone, so presentation doesn't matter. Of course, presentation to the extent it influences flavor will matter, and that might actually be more subjective than you think. Anyway, it was amazing. So here I am right at the end of the first competition, and I'm like, this could be the greatest cooking competition show ever made. notwithstanding the fact it's in Korean and that I have to watch every single word and that the subtitling is not perfect.
Andrew No, it never is. I think they use AI. It is sucked me in. I'm, I'm intrigued to watch it because the number two pick who made it through made Alio e Olio.
Everett Yes. And it looked fantastic. Everything they make, you're like, Oh, I want that. And I want it right now. Korean, cuisine is very interesting because there's there's Korean cuisine, but Korean language and culture heavily influenced by Chinese. So there's a lot of Chinese influence. They're approximately close to Japan. And they're also really there's a big sort of Western influence culture in Korea. So it is in many ways this you know, Neapolitan perhaps, or is that the right word? This very like international cuisine, they do their things, right? They've got bibimbap, the national dish of Korea. They've got other things that they do, you know, kimchi that they're famous for. And then there are all these other dishes that incorporate, you know, they have a huge Chinese. Terrific. I am so intrigued by this show. It's not heavily technical. They're not talking about techniques, but the way these chefs are cooking and the way they're presenting their dishes, you get this like accessibility. Dude, this is different than anything I've ever seen. And it was fantastic. The production is fantastic.
Andrew It looks very fast.
Everett It's fast, but they slow it down in a way that's, yeah, the production on this is really good. It's compelling. The food looks fantastic. It is food porn for sure. Love it. And it surprised me because like I said, I've watched probably about a hundred cooking competition shows and I enjoy all of them, almost all of them. And this one has stood out to me. It sort of feels like the first time I watched British baking show where I was like, well, this is new and delightful. What do they call that? The British Bake Off.
Andrew Great British Bake Off. Yeah.
Everett But British baking show here.
Andrew Anyway. I mean, so the reception in Korea was enormous. 20,000 people tried to make a reservation at a single restaurant prompted by someone, the release of the show.
Everett No kidding.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Terrific. I do understand they're working on season two right now. So if you get through season one, you're like, well, I need more of that. Season two is. underway, so there will be more of this.
Andrew The highest rated foreign language series on Netflix during its first week of release.
Everett Really?
Andrew Yeah. I mean, it's not competing with Squid Game, you know, so.
Everett Well, but maybe perhaps in the same vein. The Koreans are, well, if you watch it, you'll know what I mean. The Koreans are doing their thing, dude. OK. Go Korea. I'll watch it. Yeah. That's all I got, man. All right. Andrew, is there anything else you want to add before we hang them up for the night?
Andrew I think we've got to be out of things.
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