Fortis and RZE Bringing Heat (312)

Published on Wed, 16 Oct 2024 23:08:11 -0700

Synopsis

In this episode of the 40 and 20 Watch Clicker podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss several new watch releases and other topics. They start by talking about the new Timex Deepwater Reef automatic dive watch, praising its design but noting some potential shortcomings. They also cover new releases from RZE, Fears/Garrick, and Breitling, discussing the features and merits of each. The hosts share their thoughts on these watches, including pricing, materials, and target markets. In the "Other Things" segment, Andrew recommends a Netflix series called "The Platform" and Everett reviews an IKEA floor lamp he recently purchased. The episode concludes with the usual show outro and information on how listeners can support the podcast.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Everett Everett, how are you? Well, you know, I'm just, I'm just doing great.
Andrew You're busy, you know, work's busy, life's busy. I didn't say any of that. Lawn looks good. I didn't say any of that, dick. I haven't golfed, haven't played Ultimate Frisbee in a little while, or excuse me, disc golf.
Everett Uh, nope. It's been a couple of weeks since I golfed, but I think I'm going to golf on Friday.
Andrew Yeah. But good. Otherwise, you know, other than that, good.
Everett I, I'm actually right now trying to buy a duplex and that's super stressful.
Andrew Uh, the market's not super full of duplexes in our area.
Everett Well, I mean, duplexes are, Duplexes are sort of like entry-level, it's like training wheels for entry-level real property investors. So it's like everybody buys a duplex. Frankly, like buying six or 10 units is easier in terms of the financing. So, yeah. Just become a slumlord.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Buy 10 units and slumlord it. I'm looking to buy a place where my parents are gonna live. I don't want to buy us. I don't want to buy a, like a terrible slummy place for my, they'll be fine.
Andrew They'll be fine. Is there twilight years anyhow? Yeah.
Everett Yeah. So that, that's a little stressful, but that's about it. I mean, that's all I have. Uh, that's outside of like the ordinary, I guess.
Andrew How are you? There's a guy in our city who has this, he had like a fairly large lot and say probably like two acres and he dropped a bunch of prefabs on them, put a road down the middle. And it's the slum lordest little neighborhood development.
Everett What development are we talking about here?
Andrew It's not a named development. It's just a little spur street in the Bethel Triangle. It's not Raleigh Loop. No, it's not our neighborhood. Yeah. But it's just like this little acre, probably acre plus. It's maybe about the size actually of our loop with a road down the middle and like a dozen prefabs. And man, it is. Bad. Decrepit.
Everett Yeah. It's rough. It's, it's very sad. Yeah. Multifamily is really dependent on the, on the location.
Andrew Yeah. But I'm good. I'm coming back from a, like a weird kind of longstanding cold. I still have a bit of a cough. I feel good. Uh, but my cough is weird. It's like, it's in second gear, right? Like my first couple of coughs are like, they're just totally fine. And then, And then I get that deep one that's like threatening to be a little bit productive and like turns into like this hacking cough. And then I cough until I'm out of air and then I gag and it's a whole thing. So my throat's a little bit like irritated from coughing so much, but I feel fine.
Everett And we were just watching OC Gas videos. And every time I watch an OC Gas video, my throat gets that tickle in it.
Andrew Yeah, I used some pava powder this week at work, which I know irritated my throat a little bit. We used it and then had to enter the cloud to retrieve the person who received it.
Everett Yeah. Uh, have I ever told you the story about when I was working as an RA in college, I was sitting in my room one night and I just like, I started, you know, my throat, I was like, man, my, this, this cold is coming on like rapidly.
Andrew Getting sick in real time is so weird.
Everett And like my eyes started watering and my nose started burning and I was like, the fuck is going on? And I went outside the room into the hall and I just got hit in the face. Uh, and I was like, Oh, something is going on here. And I heard, you know, this is like 11 o'clock at night. I go to the bathroom and there's these two residents, nice guys, both of them, these two residents that are like shirt off and just like hosing themselves down in the sinks. And I'm like, well, what happened guys? And they're like, we're almost done here.
Andrew Yeah, that's there were a couple campus riots in that time when you were, uh, you know, we figured it out and it wasn't nefarious.
Everett I can't remember what I did have to call my boss and my boss was like, yeah, we need to send like campus security out there. And I, I, if I remember right, it was like they were fucking around. It was like a nonviolent, non illegal.
Andrew They were just testing. pepper spray on one another.
Everett Something like this. It's crazy.
Andrew Like that. It's just like, it just sneaks in and it's like, right.
Everett What's up? Yeah. This has been 20 years ago at this point.
Andrew So you'll have to forgive my lack of detailed memory, but yeah, I, uh, those, um, yeah, those Pava and OC based, uh, What is PAVA? I don't remember what the acronym stands for. It's basically powdered OC.
Everett It sounds like something you'd get at the... At Coachella? At the Whole Foods store or whatever.
Andrew Yeah, you wouldn't want to get it though.
Everett Hey, could you, if you remember, pick me up some PAVA root, sweetie.
Andrew Okay, I'll see you later. I think Pepperball has it as like a organically derived or an organic derivative of, oh, it's not an agent, it's an irritant, or something along those lines. I don't know.
Everett I have to reference it every time I write about it, but. It's actually the same thing as that, oh, what's the hippie smell? Patchouli. Patchouli. Exactly.
Andrew Pop is a derivative of patchouli. It's just not as kind. Concentrated patchouli. But yeah, anyway, so I have a little bit of a sore throat from that, and then also residual from the second gear cough that Inevitably, you'll hear at some point tonight.
Everett I think they've already heard a lot of it. Yeah. Well, in any event, we're not here to talk about Patchouli, Pava, or whatever it was I talked about. Rather, we're here to talk about watches and watches we will talk about. Andrew, I think we ought to just start off. I'm pretty sure it's on both of our lists. I think we ought to just start off. with the uh the Timex dive watch yeah 200 meter titanium automatic dive watch from Timex that is this sold out for now for now yeah yes and we have no indication that this is limited but right now it's sold out but Timex released uh what are they calling this thing the reefer madness it they're calling it the uh
Andrew Best dive watch ever.
Everett They call this. Yeah, that's what the gear patrol website.
Andrew Oh, come on. Expedition GMT titanium automatic. Well, so that's the last one. Deepwater Reef.
Everett Yeah, Deepwater Reef is what they're calling it. And also they released the Deepwater Reef in a GMT version as well, which is not titanium.
Andrew What a baller move. And not automatic. We've got this, like these two revolutionary to our brand watches.
Everett You know. What up? I'm willing to say that about the regular automatic. I think that this is a next level release for Timex. I think it's really cool for a lot of reasons. Titanium, it's super attractive. It's automatic. I don't know that I feel quite the same way about the GMT. It's still a 200 meter, but it's not titanium. It's not automatic. It's a lot more affordable. It's 279 bucks versus 500. But I saw that and I wanted to like it more than I did. But this automatic, this dive watch, ooh wee.
Andrew If it had a bracelet, even coming in at 700 bucks on a bracelet, And they'd have to make some serious improvements to their bracelet technology, which is maybe why they didn't, and they just went with rubber. That could have been the release of the year.
Everett Can we talk about something? Mm-hmm. Can we talk about fonts? Mm-hmm. Oh, my god. So I know Timex has used this Deepwater logo in the past for, I think, one or two other watches. But this logo, this Deepwater stylized text logo, I'm into it. I'm into it. And then just their 200-meter, 660-feet font, their 6 o'clock font, the sort of built-up loom or applied loom discs on the dial, the loomed bezel, even the Cyclops. Hey, I'm here for it.
Andrew This thing is terrific. If this had a Seiko logo on it, it would have broken the internet. Right?
Everett I mean. Oh, I don't, I disagree. I mean, I think this would be, this is pedestrian for a Seiko.
Andrew But this is the kind of shit that we dig. This H shape case, great loom on the bezel. I love the handset. I love the handset. Everything about it is well executed. The only miss is that there's no bracelet option. There's a couple of misses here, but. I, well, tell me more about the misses that you perceive.
Everett Well, so I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to get a little nerdy for a second. So when I first read about this, I read about this on the it's about time dot email newsletter. Vuk Radich, my friend, he's not my friend, but I do really like him and we've talked a bit online. Vuk Radich had written about this watch and said Timex releases their first ISO compliant dive watch. This isn't an ISO compliant watch as far as I know. And I'm pretty confident in that because there's no loom pip at three o'clock. It's got a date window without a loom pip. A lot of companies, what they do is they'll stick a loom plot outside of the date window to meet that ISO certification. I don't believe this has anything like that.
Andrew It doesn't have any indication on the dial that it's ISO specced.
Everett And well, and that's the other thing, right? I think if this was ISO spec, they would have called this a diver's automatic or something like that, because you don't go to that effort. So I don't think this is ISO certified, and I think the lack of the loom plot at three is notable. It's notable both in demonstrating this probably isn't ISO certified, but it's also notable in the sense that, like, why not? Just do it. Just do it. That's what's required. Now, as far as I know, Timex isn't saying And I haven't found any indications, although I've seen multiple people talk about this as being ISO certified, or at least ISO capable. It's not. It can't be. I do wish that they had done that. I do wish they had done that. Here's the other mess. It's a Miota 8 series. That's a mess. It's Timex, man. It's a Miota 8 series. And for me, that's a mess. And it's not just a mess here in the automatic, but also with the GMT, why not pop a 9075 in there? Why not? Like make the GMT titanium. You have the tooling and pop a 9075. So a two, two, I mean, these are quibbles. Maybe it's the sign of things to come. I do like this watch. I'm very, very high on this watch, but I don't think it's all good. Those are misses for me at 500 bucks for an 8,000 series. There are more competitive, watches with better movements. Your Timex. You're supposed to be cheap. This is like what we'd expect from Seiko. This is what we'd expect from Seiko. It would be a good but not great price for a good but somewhat problematic watch. I think it's a miss. I do love it though. And I think what people are excited about is that it's a watch from Timex that's cool.
Andrew Yeah, it's cool on all fronts. I mean, they're using titanium, they're doing some shit that they're not known to do.
Everett And I do believe this is grade two titanium. I read that somewhere, so don't quote me on it, but I do believe this is a grade two titanium watch. It's probably grade two. Yeah. Which is great. Grade two titanium is fantastic. That's not a downside at all. What are you looking for? The titanium grade. Oh, I read it somewhere and I felt like, yep, that's conclusive.
Andrew That tracks. I think a rubber strap is a miss for me. Obviously, I want this to come with a rubber strap. Straps are hard on H cases, man. But I want a bracelet. Even if bracelets are hard on H cases. Even if you gave me a straight link mesh steel. Nah. I want it on a bracelet.
Everett I mean, the nice thing about an H case is you can pop a straight link on there. It's not going to be titanium and it's not going to match the tone is the problem with this particular model.
Andrew I think they could brush steel, get it to be really fucking close. Or do something better than this molded.
Everett I like the rubber. Ribbed rubber. I like the Timex logo and everything.
Andrew I, well, I really don't like that. You don't? No. That is very like, um. Sort of like Breitling. Yeah. Breitling Panerai kind of like signed side of the case.
Everett So lest you think, it is quick release, lest you think we don't like this watch. We're high on this watch. We're just, I super like this.
Andrew We're just being critical. We're finding reasons to bitch. Yeah. I do like the, the, Whoa, I don't know why I don't have words. Your radio is still working, just in case. I like the tail management of the strap. There's not keepers, it rides inside of the strap. Fair enough. I do like that.
Everett Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, I wonder if that would be uncomfortable. I mean, you'd have to... I don't think so.
Andrew I think it'd just be like wearing a... Like a, um, like an elastic strap with a little extra tail or even mesh.
Everett I mean, mesh, it probably depends on how soft that is. It, it might cause irritation for sensitive wristed people.
Andrew And I'm, I'm a little baby back bitch with respect to skin sensitivities. And I don't think that it would bother me. Um, cause you know, you got a tail and mesh, you get a tail in like a, you know, in a stretchy bracelet or a stretchy strap.
Everett I think, I think fine. Andrew, we'd both. put that on our lists. Oh, you know, I'm looking, we didn't both have that on our list. So it's just firmly your turn.
Andrew Uh, well, I, I did have it on a list. Um, I just didn't, um, I didn't send it to you cause I knew it was going to come anyway. In any event, what would you like to talk about? I think that I would like to talk about a brand that I haven't talked about before and When I saw this watch, I was just immediately smitten by it. And this is kind of a weird thing, so bear with me for this. This is the Era C1 Chronograph. And when I saw this watch, it immediately made me think of futuristic watches from the 80s, of like what things will be like in 20 years. I can see that. This is like a very spacey, super empty design. I don't know why it made me feel that way. And it's one of the first watches that I've seen that I'm like, man, that like, that like evoked an emotional response for me, like simultaneously sentimental and not all at once. So this is a 42 millimeter chronograph. It's 1575 thick with a 904L stainless steel with a PVD coating. I don't know anything about metallurgy, so I don't know why 904 as opposed to 916 or any other steel decision making.
Everett Well, I think, I think the main allure to 904 is it's for a long time what Rolex and Rolex basically alone used. We've seen it pop up, I would say increasingly, increasingly over the last couple of years, but I, I understand that it's a little bit harder to tool, but perhaps a little bit more durable in terms of finishing.
Andrew Uh, wasn't part of it though, that they had a higher, that 904 has a higher nickel contact nickel content or there's some, some kind of content that makes it more wear resistant. There's like an extra component or a different component in there as opposed to 916 that makes it resistant. All right, here we go.
Everett It's softer than 316L and it's molybdenum addition gives it superior resistance to localized attack pitting and crevice corrosion by chlorides and greater resistance reducing acids.
Andrew Yeah, that's why I said nickel. Anyway, we're not metallurgists. If you're a metallurgist and you want to come talk to us about different steel grades and why, we'd love to talk to you. So this watch has a Sellita SW510 Bi-Compax Elaborate grade.
Everett Sorry, before we move on, I think Bremont's using 904 for some watches. It's out there. Omega has in the past. I think Some other weird companies have used 904, but it seems to me, my observation is that it's more and more common for brands to use this, which probably means there's a few factories that are increasing their ability to work with this.
Andrew So, sorry, carry on. Anyhow, so this is a Bicompax chronograph coming in two color iterations, one being PVD, which is the shadow, one with a black dial, it's all murdered out and looks really good. Uh, and then the cloud being a steel case with a kind of soft gray overcast sky, cloudy color on it with blue accents. Uh, and these are just lovely. They're 2000 bucks, limited edition, 300 pieces. And I don't, like I said, I don't know what it is about this that just, really grabbed me besides that it's like, Oh, that's what life is going to look like in 40 years. It's like almost Stepford wivesy clean. Uh, I don't know much about this brand at all.
Everett No, no, me either.
Andrew Me either. It's, it's a fairly new brand. They're a couple of years old. They have a couple releases, a P1 pilot and a D1 diver ahead of this. Uh, so you know, you've got your flyer, your driver and your diver. collection coming out of this brand. They've completed the mandatory catalog. We'll kind of see what happens next, but these are just lovely. I'm excited to see what future design iterations come from them.
Everett Yeah. You know, what first, what, what first occurred to me when I saw this is that the case, the profile of the case has like a bit of a recents vibe.
Andrew Yeah, a little bit.
Everett Um, the top down, it's not oil filled obviously. So the top down is a much different experience. But it is, yeah, I actually don't love these.
Andrew They're like, they look like little flying saucers in their case profile.
Everett They're, I want to say these are damn near 16 millimeters thick. They're 50 millimeters long, 49.55 long. They're 42 wide, 22 millimeter lugs. This feels to me like if it had come out in 2018, it would have been the dopest watch released in 2019, 18, but they didn't. They came out in 2024 and they're 1500 bucks. I think that's a fair critique. Oh no. They're 2000 bucks. 2100 bucks for the shot. 2100 pounds. So that's right. 2250.
Andrew And the cloud is 1950. So these are well over 2000. I mean, I'm just thinking,
Everett There's a lot of watches, a lot of chromographs that you can get in that. It's got an SW510. So, okay, it's a good movement, but like, you know, you can get into Nevada anyway. It's a lot of money. They're cool watches. I do like them. I maybe like them less than you do. They're just lovely.
Andrew I mean, I don't like it enough to buy it. But I think this is a really cool release.
Everett Yeah, no, I like it too. Yeah. I think you like it less than you're saying, and I maybe like it more than I'm suggesting. Perhaps. Hey, let's talk about a watch we could agree on. Orient. Orient, a company we like, which makes pretty cool watches, and they've been kind of quiet. Orient released a, unfortunately, UK exclusive version of the Bambino 38 this week, or maybe last week, and or two UK exclusive versions. And they are, they're really cool. So there's a green and gold, one of my favorite color combinations, and then a blue and silver. These are full Roman numeral. Uh, Bambino 38s with small seconds and a date window. And both colors are terrific. Both colors are terrific. So there's a, they're calling a deep for it. No, that's not what they're calling it. That's what the hype is. He's calling it. There's a deep forest green, the R A A P O one note two E and a powdery denim blue, which I agree with that. That's a adequate description. Uh, AP0103L. You know, there's not a whole lot to say about these. These are a 38 and a half millimeter, roughly 12 millimeters thick Bambino, you know, with the Roman numeral dials. There's one thing about these that I really, that I find really pretty charming, which is the way, because they've stuck the small seconds window at six, it would, and in fact, I think probably does cut off the six Roman numeral, but because of the way it sits on the six, it's still a VI, a full VI, and it just looks mini. Yeah, it just looks like a mini VI, and for whatever reason, I find that Very, very charming. That cut, that half VI that is actually all by itself a full VI.
Andrew They, they made it like they, they nailed that kind of weird decision in a way that so many other people fail. Like cutting into into markers is so often so poorly executed. That's right. And they were just like, Hey, let's, Let's make them little.
Everett So sadly, these are UK exclusives. I don't believe you can get them in the United States. They're on the website, the Orient website, but I don't think you can get to them. They are, they're just, this is just a Bambino, right? The dials are gorgeous, but this is just a Bambino. You will not, there's nothing F622, 222 movement.
Andrew It's a Bambino 38. I think that's important distinction to make because the 41s were just a little too big.
Everett That's right. That's right. This is the modern sort of, Hey, we fixed it. You get a 20 millimeter lug width. You, you know, this is, this is the Bambino that you and I wanted when we were in the Bambino market. Um, I, I'm a little sad you can't get these here. You can get the 38 millimeter Bambinos now, finally. Um, but you, I don't think you can get these ones.
Andrew You said this is Japan and UK.
Everett I did read somewhere that they're available in Japan, but the only retailers I've seen these on are UK retailers. So, uh, yeah, I don't know. Two swatches, TUS swatches, which is a UK retailer. I don't know what that is. And so the blue is available on, Orient's website, the green is available on the TOOS watches website. So I wonder if they ship to America. Well, like I said, I was able to pull up, I was able to pull up the, the watch on the Orient website, but I can't see what happens when I go to checkout.
Andrew We'll have to follow up on that lawsuit regarding online retailing of Rolex. Let's see if that's made any progress.
Everett It doesn't look to me like you can get to where you need to get to buy it. Sorry, this isn't available in your country.
Andrew Something like that. Or you just can't get shipping. A VPN. Or buy it through a broker.
Everett Yeah. Just like that.
Andrew I have a new thing. When I move, you move. Exactly. Go ahead. Why? Just like that. I agreed with you, but I don't understand why. I got your back, man. So the new traveler-oriented Fortis V40 Vagabond GMT collection. This is good. So we have a tonneau-cased GMT with no bezel because it doesn't need one. We have a marker ring on the outside with three five seven nine eleven with with your prime numbers as markers indices at the alternates an interior ring for your gmt hour and this thing is just gorgeous we've got a gray we've got a blue it's everything 70s right like this is this is the watch that you you put on and you're like beholden to smoke inside of denny's Hmm. When you're wearing it, like you don't, you don't really get a choice. It's just a thing that you have to do. It's fucking gorgeous. Grade five titanium on these things. What the shit costs certified movement. And here's the real exciting part. Price to be confirmed. What the shit? Come on. You're really going to drop us something like this on us and be like, Oh, we don't really know. It's a 40 millimeter case. screw down crown, stormy gray, urban shadow, or blue dusk is what they're calling the colors. It's the, uh, the work 13 movement. Yeah. I don't know anything about that movement.
Everett What do you know what they're, I think it's an ETA movement. So these are 6,800 bucks. So they have announced the price on these. There's 6,800 bucks, which tracks, right? I think the Nova not is about there. Um, So it's I think that price makes sense. It is. I'm with you, Andrew, this is a gorgeous watch, the chronometer certified aspect of this, I think, is attractive to a lot of people. It's a flyer style GMT. The dials on these are super duper great movement or at least a good movement. Yeah, I'm with you. These are cool. This is this is a little chunky for me.
Andrew It's, but you know, it's that style of case, right? Like you don't, you don't get this seventies feel without that little bit of ass and hip in the, in the case shape, you know?
Everett And I don't know if you mentioned it or not, but did you mention that the GMT, the, the 24 hour complicate or 24 hour indication on the dial is 18 karat gold?
Andrew Oh, I forgot to mention that. Yeah. Yeah. So 40, yeah.
Everett 40 millimeters wide by 51 long, which is kind of a long dimension. It does look to me like it compensates for that. And then 14 thick. So it's a pretty chunky watch, but it looks like it carries it out. And it's got a 14 karat gold right on the dial, this big giant 14 karat gold ring. Pretty cool. This is an upscale watch for Fortis, I think.
Andrew Yeah. You know it would be baller too if they made the crown in their logo. 18 karat gold too.
Everett Well, it could be. I'm not sure that it's not. I didn't see that anywhere, but I think they should be doing it.
Andrew Yeah. Um, yeah, no, I forgot to mention that on top of the grade five titanium. So this thing is going to just weigh absolutely nothing for being as chunky as it is. It's going to feel like nothing.
Everett You know, I have, I'm having one of those moments where I don't know if I said something, I don't want to correct myself, but I don't know if I need to feel free. I think I said 14 karat gold. It's 18 karat gold. I don't know what difference that might make, but it's the type. Four karats. It's four karats of gold. It's different. It's like, we don't, we forget to publish for a week. Nobody messages us. But if I said 14 karat when it was actually 18 karat.
Andrew It was two weeks actually. And we didn't forget to publish. Um, it just, we weren't publishing and nobody said shit. But if we forget, if we think we like, if, if we just don't do it, it's pandemonium. But if shit just doesn't work, Like, oh, fucking whatever.
Everett Yeah, it's a terrific watch. Fortis is a weird brand for me because they come in at that like, I mean, this watch is competing with Tag Heuer. It's competing with Tudor. It's competing with Omega.
Andrew Yes, Vintree Omega.
Everett I mean, so, you know, you're really getting to a place with Fortis where you have to know what you're getting into. And I've never seen a Fortis in the wild.
Andrew Um, so nobody has, that's the like Fortis is, is a weird sleeper brand that if you see it in the wild, like you can walk up to that guy and ask to put on his watches and he's be like, fuck yeah. And he's going to take it off and show you. Cause you've, you've met a real watch person, not just somebody who, who bought a watch. You know, you, you can see any number of luxury watches in the world and it's like, Oh yeah, I had, I wanted to buy a nice watch and I went down to the jeweler and they said, I should buy this and I buy it, but that's not Fortis. Yeah. They just kind of like hang out there. They're like a, like a tier one asset. Like you really got to know to know about it.
Everett You know, I'm looking at this movement. I don't know. This architecture might be unique to Kinesi. I'm not sure this is, This is like a converted or a cloned architecture. This looks to me like something different. So I may have misspoken again when I said the work chronograph movement is an ETA clone. I think this may be unique architecture.
Andrew That was a weird noise from the dog. They like hide. It's like this weird clandestine environment. in the movement world, right? There's brand-specific, there's exclusives, there's clones, there's in-house, there's stock. There's this weird world of movements where brands claim to be making in-house movements or they name them in-house movements. It's like, actually, we just bought a bunch and then we put our name on it. It's kind of the last remaining, how the sausage is made sort of thing in the watch world, and no one's really ready to part with it.
Everett Last shot at this watch, the bracelet doesn't taper. So you've got... A big old bitch. Yeah.
Andrew That's a problem for me. It's a problem. It's not just a problem for you. It's problematic. Bracelets need to taper. 70s inspired or not, taper your bracelet. If you're not getting 20 to 16, you're doing it wrong.
Everett Yeah. This, this feels to me a little bit like if Oris and Formex teamed up to design a watch, I feel like they would come up with something like this.
Andrew Anyway, that's kind of Fortis though. Fortis exists in this weird, space that like prompts nobody to ever think about him. But every time you see a Fortis, but then, but then you, you look at them and you're like, Oh man, I fucking love that watch. Like who's doing space watches and seventies watches. Right. Like in, in that size of a brand. Right. Cause you know, Hamilton and Omega and you know, these big brands do that shit. But Fortis isn't that.
Everett Yeah. Yeah, that's right. uh another new watch another new watch from another brand that we don't talk about all that much but that we that we say nice things about when we do um and another watch that i feel gives off some auris vibes uh the rze 42 gmt dash s was released this week so i I've seen the Fortitudes before, the Fortitude GMT, and I thought when I read Fortitude GMTS, I got excited because I was like, what does S mean? It's going to mean something. I believe that the S is just for sunburst. I read that and I was like, that's certainly not true. And then I've read some more and I believe it is true. It probably is. Yeah. So what this means is what that means, I believe, is that this is a fortitude GMT, uh, but available in a sunburst style. That's, that's not a problem because this thing is really, really cool. It is very RZ, uh, from tip to tail. I think that this, the handset on this is different than the handset on the GMTs, or at least, at least that's In my recollection, that's what it is. It's still got that sort of angular bezel, that like angular coinage on the bezel. I think that this watch is really terrific. Grade II titanium, GMT, 12 millimeters thick, 47 millimeter lug-to-lug, which is a little long. The lugs on this I think could be a touch shorter, but it is just a gorgeous watch. an absolutely gorgeous watch. And the two colors they've made this available, they've given us like sort of a, a dark gray kind of graphite gray and this blue Bolton, unsurprisingly sunburst. And they, they're both terrific colors. We've got a flyer GMT with the 9075, which between Seiko and Miota, I much, much prefer the Miota 9075 and not because it's a flyer versus a color. but because it's thinner and I just think it's a better movement. Seiko does Seiko and I'm sure that their movement is terrific workhorse, but I think the Miyota is the classier of these two movements for any number of reasons. Better form factor, better functionality, but they're more expensive. So these are 680 bucks, Andrew.
Andrew Yeah, that's kind of where I got kind of surprised.
Everett And it's a coded, and it's a coded grade two titanium. I can't remember what they're calling. It's a ultra hex.
Andrew It's a proprietary coded, um, as if you need that on titanium.
Everett Well, you do. Titanium gets beat up. Let me see if I can find 1200 Vickers, which is, is like really hard. It's super hard. That's, I think, higher, a higher or a better hardness rating than Traska's. So yeah, it's terrific. 100 meters of water resistance, terrific movement, great material, super hard, and 680 bucks. I think that this thing is... This, I mean, I'm going to regret saying this, but I think at its price point, this might be one of the most eligible bachelors out there. And not just the GMTS, obviously the fortitude GMT as well. RZ, I think a pretty underrated brand. This, this thing is terrific.
Andrew Yes. And the sunburst is very subtle.
Everett Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew It's not, it's not a big flashy. These are like very well executed sunbursts. This gray is money.
Everett I feel like today of all days I have to bitch about something. Please. The end link for me is a loss. It's a female end link and the angle on the links sort of matches, meshes with the angle on the bezel, that knurling on the bezel, but it is the end link itself has those, yeah, so that's one niggle. I think it's my only niggle. Nickel? Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, now you're gonna make me self-conscious. I don't think that's a bad word.
Andrew I don't think it's a good word.
Everett All right. Moving on. I think it's terrific. The word or the R-Z-E? The R-Z-E, Andrew.
Andrew I, I agree. I wouldn't, ooh, that extension clasp looks familiar.
Everett Yeah. I, I don't know. It does look familiar.
Andrew And is known to have had some problems in the past. Anyhow, next up for me. Limited Edition Fears Garrick Salmon for Collective Horology. So this is a super duper limited edition watch collaborated between fears and Garrick for collective urology. And this thing is stunning. It is like ALS kind of level five are being made. Five are being made. This is just gorgeous. I don't, I don't know. I'm a little at a loss for words. on it. I saw it and I was like, what can I sell to get here? So we have a 904L steel again, 42 millimeter case, 10 thick sapphire crystal, the Garrick UTG04 manual winding, 19 jewel movement, 100 meters of water resistance, small seconds, built to order, just everything about this watch is so carefully designed, executed. It's gorgeous.
Everett I agree with you. It's a beautiful watch. Yeah. The skeletonized hands are are pretty are pretty spectacular. It's a beautiful watch.
Andrew This open worked movement like who? Great salmon color, great love, like just everything about it says I need to sell my car.
Everett I don't understand only making five. I mean, maybe, um.
Andrew Well, it's because it's all like handmade shit.
Everett Yeah, I don't know. I mean, sure. But five? Like, and look, it's a $25,000 watch, so maybe they think they can only sell five. And if that's so, fine. But five? Five? Five? I don't like it. I mean, are they? Let's see. Yeah, it looks like you can still order them, so maybe maybe they won't all just insta sell out.
Andrew Dude, it's a handcrafted movement like this. They're not sold out because they haven't even been sold yet.
Everett You can order. You can order them right now. Do it. Do it. Wow. Do it. I don't have enough money in my bank account for this.
Andrew You have a credit card. We'll pool our credit cards.
Everett Yeah. I mean, it's cool. This is a cool watch.
Andrew Oh, and it's a U.S. limited edition. So it's for a U.S. retailer. They're only available through Collective Orology based out of these United States. which is cool for British watchmakers to be doing a American only release, an ADM release.
Everett How much is a base luck one? 15? Yeah. Yeah. 14 or 17, six for a time traveler. I mean, this is a, it's a tough price. It's a, it's a trough price range. So,
Andrew This is for the for the super rich watch nerd, right?
Everett This isn't like super rich watch nerds buying fears.
Andrew I don't know. But I think you do when you're when you're talking a when you're talking a Garrick movement with a fears. Yeah. Collaboration. I don't really understand where the fears I do get where the fears collaborations coming. But like a Garrick move, you could put that in anything and it's a twenty thousand dollar watch. It's interesting to do. American market only release. But the collaboration with Collective Horology is, you know, noteworthy. This is a cool thing that's happening.
Everett Yeah. And I don't know enough about Garak. I don't know what range these watches go. It seems to me like this is a tough sell. But there's only five of them.
Andrew There's only five, right?
Everett Yeah.
Andrew You know, maybe you'll still be able to get one in a year for $20,000 instead of $25,000.
Everett I've got a watch I would like to talk about, not because it's new or special, but because it's another North American limited release. This is the 46 millimeter Breitling B01 Chronograph 46 North American limited edition with a blue dial and red accents, exclusively sold within the United States and Canada. It is a B01. It's a blue dial version of the B01 chronograph 46 that was released last year. It is a two-tone watch with a rose gold bezel. I think they're limited to 300 pieces and it's gorgeous. The nice thing about this, so Breitling seems to be dipping their toes in the, like the North American market, you know, they just did their football watches, their NFL watches. It seems to me like they are trying to increase market segment. But this, I mean, this is a $12,000 gold-bezeled Breitling. The price is right. I mean, I think that that's a little bit more expensive than a normal two-tone and certainly more expensive than a steel one. But for a gold-bezeled brand new 46 millimeter Navitimer, it's not crazy.
Andrew It's interesting that you went rose gold.
Everett I love the blue on this.
Andrew The rose gold accents with the blue dial against the steel case. And the red accents, yeah. Is like this gorgeous color combination that I never could have imagined. If you were to describe it to me, I'd laugh in your face. And then looking at it, every Breitling watch that I see, I'm like, man, I get why arms dealers and mafiosos like Breitling.
Everett And this doesn't feel to me like an arms dealer watch, but this feels to me more like a retired airline pilot watch. I think this thing's terrific.
Andrew Perhaps. A Breitling will get added to my watch box.
Everett I like everything they make. Yeah, I do want to steal 46, I think. Because, I mean, it's such an iconic watch. It's got to be on 90% of all of the most iconic watch lists ever made. And it's just a classic. And I think what I like about this versus, for instance, the Speedmaster, or perhaps the, um, the Santos is that those are interesting comparisons to draw. Yeah.
Andrew But I'm here for you. I'm ready for a really interesting point.
Everett Hear me out. When you, when you talk about a Santos, you picture a watch with the same dial and the same, you know, maybe it's two tone, maybe it's, maybe it's silver. When you picture a Speedmaster, you picture a watch. When you picture a Navitimer, it might be a bunch of different things. There's a dozen, yeah. You know, they all look the same. Obviously, a Navitimer, but it might be a white dial, it might be a black dial, it might be a blue dial or a green dial. You get some like, you know, and obviously, you know, Submariners, same way, whatever. But I like that about the Navitimer is it's Iconic nature doesn't work. It doesn't require.
Andrew And of course, Santos needs a white dial. Yes. And needs a steel or gold case, like a white gold case, a Speedmaster or a two-tone. I'll accept a two-tone, but that's not where my mind goes. Sure. When you say, Oh, I have a Santos. Like, okay. And then you show me a two-tone Santos. I'm surprised.
Everett And that's how I feel about the Speedmaster too, right?
Andrew Speedmaster. You show me a black dial.
Everett steel case. Which is not to say I don't love some of the variations on the Speedmaster. And all gold Speedmaster is, is the grail watch. That green dial or, or even, or even the, the really pretty common white and blue dial, which.
Andrew If you gave me one with Snoopy on it, I wouldn't kick her out of bed.
Everett But the Speedmaster, the Speedmaster is a black dial, black bezel Speedmaster.
Andrew Yes. Right. You know, when, all the variations of the Navitimer that you mentioned, the one that comes to mind immediately for me is the digital LCD in the middle. Oh yeah. Cause that's a straight grill watch for me. Yeah. Um, the problem is that's your titanium G shock. But the problem is that they're all so old now that like the ones that are for sale for the most part are like, they're just not going to be functional. There's no way to repair, replace or refurbish. that module and have that working watch.
Everett Didn't they just release one like last year?
Andrew What? They haven't. There's a. I felt like they just dropped one. I think they dropped an Anadigi.
Everett Well. Didn't they? Yeah. Oh, here we go. It's the Professional Aerospace B70. Let me see. orbiter 25th orange dial.
Andrew It's that one. No, that's not it. That's, it's the antedilution. That's not what I want. I want the straight LCD weird box in the middle of the dial. Sure. I know you're with all the other Navitimer parts, but the problem with it being a digital and an LCD digital is that it, they're, they're just old, you know, but I, uh,
Everett Maybe there is a replacement program on these. Maybe you can find modules. I don't know, actually. I've never looked into this at all.
Andrew I have a little bit, and there is not that I can find thus far. That's too bad. Because the watch is fantastic. Yeah. It's a Navitimer with just, yes, with just a way too small LCD display in the middle of it. And you can find them with the case and crystal in relatively good condition, but the module is failing because it's 40 years old. Yeah. Yeah. And it's a digital module and those are, you know, they're disposable.
Everett Yeah. Andrew, you got anything else you want to talk about?
Andrew Uh, not enough that we need to go too long on this. So no, I'm out of things. Well, I'm out of watches.
Everett All right. All right. Well, in that case, other things.
Andrew What do you got? I watched a new Netflix show, relatively new Netflix show. It's an anthology series called Monsters. The first season was Jeffrey Dahmer, and they did a really great job of.
Everett Are you going to talk about the Menendez brothers monsters that you talked about two weeks ago?
Andrew No, I didn't. Did I really?
Everett I feel a little bad for you because I know this feeling. But you did. Are you sure? I am, let's say, 90%. You at home? Hold on. We'll be right back with you. We are back. Turns out Andrew did talk about this. Not two weeks ago. Good news is he's come equipped with another other thing. Andrew, other things. Okay.
Andrew What do you got? So it's a different Netflix thing that I watched this week and I was kind of just scrolling. I was in one of those moods where I just, I kind of wanted to second screen something and I saw this tile and it was like vaguely interesting and I turned it on. And I pretty quickly realized that it was a not American, like a not English show. Okay. So it was dubbed. Sure. And when I watched dubbed shows, I can't second screen them. I don't, I don't know why. It's not because I like.
Everett There's some sort of disconnect. Yeah.
Andrew Like you're like, It's it seems like they use A.I. to translate because they don't interpret. Right. It's super clear because because the dubbing is kind of clunky. So I put my phone down and I'm watching this movie. This movie is called The Platform. And it is this weird kind of like you can't tell when in time it's happening, but it's definitely in the future. Unclear of how far in the future it is.
Everett And this whole premise. Or it perhaps could be a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away. Anyway, carry on. Probably not.
Andrew But I, I, I, I disagree. So the whole premise of the show is that these people are either condemned to or volunteer to go to for a benefit or reward this Um, experimental pseudo prison. Okay. That has, it's, the whole show takes place in, if you'd imagine a tower, each floor being effectively a studio apartment with two beds. And every day, once a day, this platform descends through the center of the tower with this massive meal. Okay. That doesn't get replenished on its way down. So, you know, first floor, they get their pick of the litter. They get everything, whatever you can eat. So that's the best place to be. Exactly. So it's, it remains on each floor for a fixed period of time. You don't get to remove food. If they, if you take food off, they, they kill you. Basically you die.
Everett So are the people on the top floor, they're like super fat and the people. Okay. Hang on. Okay. Okay.
Andrew You remain on a floor for a month and then you get gassed to sleep and you wake up on a random other floor. So this is a two part, this is two movies and I watched them both because I watched the first one. I was intrigued because I was kind of confused. Like I, I never checked my watch, which is kind of my indicator of like, Oh, I enjoyed that. Or at least it, it held my attention. There is, it wasn't quite like lost in the way of like they just threw shit in with no intention of ever answering the question. Sure. But there's certainly stuff that like gets injected that you, that I was just kind of confused by and it's just accepted. So I watched the first one and I was like, man, okay, that was weird. It was kind of like watching a modern horror movie where you're like at the end of it, you're kind of like, well that happened. But it was enough that I had questions and I was like, maybe the sequel will answer it. The sequel does not answer any of your questions. It's, it's really just like that second movie again, but it fucks with the whole timeline of the first movie. And it's like, you sort of have to watch them as a pair, but it was captivating throughout.
Everett Okay.
Andrew I don't, I can't say for sure that I liked them. I will probably watch them again to see if maybe like the second viewing reveals like some of the questions that I had throughout, but it was this really, it was almost like a story just for a story, right? It was kind of like this show, right? There's no, there's no real beginning, middle or end. There's no real reason for it. There's no real, moral to it. It just like kind of happens. This is a thing. Yeah. And it, it was interesting.
Everett Okay.
Andrew It, I don't, I don't, I won't say that it was good, nor will I say that it was bad. It was just interesting. They like deal with kind of interesting political ideas and, and the kind of like equity of there's some people sentenced to this place and other people are volunteering to be there and they kind of delve into like why some people volunteer to be there for these fixed periods of time. It it was interesting and they did just enough character development that you like really like almost every character you encounter. OK. Without like really caring about the big gaps in their background. It was captivating.
Everett It sounds like a recommendation to me.
Andrew Yeah. If you're looking, if you're scrolling tiles and you're just like, I don't really know what to watch. I don't want to repeat this. I don't want to repeat this. Uh, I would, I was entertained throughout.
Everett Well, I will tell you, my daughter asked me about this show recently. She said, have you heard of this? I said, No. And she's a platform. Yeah. Oh. And she said, Oh, people were talking about it at school and I want to watch it. And I said, God, I'm hip and cool. I will say I will need to take a look at it and tell you if I think we can watch it. Um, I think the same daughter that watches fight club. So I think it's Betty appropriate. Um, but yeah, I, that was my takeaway as well. I was like, Oh wow. Andrew's talking about the same thing that the middle school kids are.
Andrew I think it's Betty appropriate. There's like a little splash of nudity in it, but it's, and there's some sexual violence, but like not actual sexual violence. That's kind of like they leave it up to the imagination. Like they show you kind of the precursor to it and you're like, I know what's about to happen, but then they don't, you don't see it. All right, cool. There's some cannibalism and shit too.
Everett Yeah. Cannibalism is fine. What is a little human flesh between friends?
Andrew I'd say I'd maybe screen it. Actually, now thinking back on both movies, I do still think it's Betty appropriate, but I'd screen it.
Everett There was an entire scene of Fight Club that I skipped. I was like, we're not going to watch the next three minutes of this movie. You can find out what happened when you're older. Ikea is a very cool brand, but... They're meatballs though, man. I really don't like their stuff usually. Um, I own a number of Ikea items. I just feel like Ikea is mostly good because it's affordable, right?
Andrew It's, it's good for like people who intend to move in the next three years cause it won't survive the move. And that's about how long that piece of furniture will last.
Everett Sure. It's stylish. Enough. Enough. It is usually, Pretty shoddy construction. Anyway. Because you build it. I've never had an IKEA item that I was like, I really like this. I do know that there are like there are like there's a Reddit dedicated to like focusing on the best IKEA items. Like this is a thing from IKEA that's actually good. But I've never really spent a lot of time there. I needed a lamp recently and based on my sort of budget. I said, I'll look at what Ikea has. And I looked, and I looked, and I'm like, I'll get this one. And I ordered a lamp. It's called the, I believe, Hector. Hector. Hector. I'm going to say Hector. And there are, like all things Ikea, there are a number of different Hector lamps. This is the,
Andrew Let's see floor lamp, dark gray.
Everett Yeah. So this is the single shade hectare. Um, there's one picture on the website that indicates what I would call a prominent shade. It's sort of just like us, a floor lamp with a long, relatively slender stand. and a Y connection to a shade that can pivot, okay? This is the first thing I'll say. None of the pictures on the website do this shade justice. I'm gonna make hand motions that you at home are not gonna be able to hear, but Andrew's gonna be able to see. It'll look to me like this, basketball. It is this, beach ball. So I get this, this thing comes in the mail. Did you know that Ikea's shipping policies are way better than they used to be?
Andrew Because their shipping used to be like a hundred bucks. It was like a flat rate.
Everett I can't remember. But it didn't matter what you got. You could like outfit your house or get a set of forks.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett For the same price. A hundred bucks. Anyway, this thing shipped for ten bucks to my office in like four days. Nice. I got the box and I was like, this is an oddly shaped box for what I got. And the reason it was oddly shaped is because it's got a beach ball size shape. I pulled it out and I thought, you know, this isn't right. And then I set it up and I'm like, this might be one of the coolest items Ikea sells.
Andrew The pictures are discordant. This isn't a picture of the thing that you got because the description suggests that it's not a description of the picture. This simple Oversized metal shape is inspired by old lamps from places like factories and theaters. That's not what the picture suggests. It's not a picture of the product.
Everett Yeah, I don't know. I think it's intended to be like an over the shoulder reading lamp, but it works. It's really cool. I'm using this for something kind of specific and it works perfectly for what I got, but Again, once I got over my initial sort of like surprise at the size of the shade, I put this thing together. It took me, I don't know, three minutes to assemble, maybe five minutes to assemble this thing. It looks like three screw-down pipes. Yeah, that's right. Screw this into that. The base is like heavy and stable. It just works really well. And then I set it up and I was like, it works really well. It's attractive. Um, like I think this might be one of those items that you can get at Ikea. That's like, that's a good item. Hmm. Did you post in the Reddit? That's a good item. No, I didn't. I did not. And I will not. Uh, but I will tell you at home listening to this, that the Ikea hectare. So how much did I pay for this? 75 bucks. 75 bucks, 85 shipped to my door.
Andrew And how long is the cord? Like how long is, how far away is the step button? Cause one, that's a bitch I always have about floor lamps is they always have way too short of a cord with the step buttons.
Everett I, it's long enough. So the step button sits about 18 inches from the lamp, I'd say maybe 12 inches from the lamp. And the cord is probably eight feet. I don't know. Okay. Yeah, I don't know. It's long enough. I didn't have a problem with it. Um, and it's not all that close to a, uh, it's not all that close to the outlet. Does it say, uh, E26? It, it doesn't say how long it is. That's a little weird. Um, long enough, Andrew, it didn't feel to me overly short or long. It was like, yeah. I love that compliment. That was, that's the right link for this cord. Yeah. Ikea hectare floor lamp. There will be a link in the show notes that you can see that you can make sure you get this one. There's one that has like three different shades. I don't, I mean, maybe that one's great too. I don't know.
Andrew I need it. Octopus lamps are for dorm rooms.
Everett Yeah, that's right. Or maybe you've got like, photos that you, I don't know, whatever. This is the one I got because this is the one I wanted and it's terrific.
Andrew I like it.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew I really thought when I ordered it, I was like, you know, when you use your hands to describe the size of the shade, I still, I'm having trouble.
Everett Do you have to come to my office and see it, dude? It's enormous.
Andrew I'm having trouble seeing that with the pictures that they provided.
Everett I mean, it's like, yeah, it's enormous. It's,
Andrew It's like this love seat is actually just a single seat.
Everett I was a little, I was a little shocked. In fact, it was so big that I was like, this is not, there's no way this lamp is going to look good. And it does. It does.
Andrew It's an attractive lamp.
Everett Andrew, is there anything that you would like to add?
Andrew No, I never have anything of consequence to add.
Everett Okay. I'm not going to argue. Uh, Hey, uh, you people at home. Thanks for once again, doing this with us for tuning into this episode of 14 and 20 watch clicker podcast. Uh, do me a favor. You can go to our website, watch clicker.com, which is where we post every episode of this podcast, but also, uh, articles and reviews and other things about watches and written form. If you want to find us on social media, you can do that in Instagram. at 40 and 20 underscore watch clicker or at watch clicker. And if you'd like to support us at, oh boy, we hope you do. You can do that at patreon.com slash 40 and 20. That is how we get the money. We need to keep this thing going. And without you supporting us on Patreon, we'd go away because we just would, we'd, we'd shrivel into raisins. Um, yeah. And that's it for tonight. So don't forget to tune back in next Thursday. for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Andrew Buh-bye.