Luminox goes Auto, and Khaki Goes Quartz (305)

Published on Fri, 30 Aug 2024 07:48:54 -0700

Synopsis

This episode of the 40 in 20 podcast features hosts Andrew and Everett discussing recent watch releases and news. They cover several new watches, including collaborations from IFL and Fratello with Casio, new models from Porsche Design, Yema, IWC, and others. The hosts provide their opinions on the designs, specifications and pricing of these watches. They also touch on some personal topics, like Andrew's upcoming new puppy and Everett's search for the perfect penny loafers. The episode wraps up with some reminiscing about payphones and collect calls before the standard outro encouraging listeners to check out their website and support the show on Patreon.

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Andrew	Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20, the watch clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett	I'm fine. I'm fine. Uh, besides the fact that I pressed play and then you started just manhandling your microphone like an asshole. I'm not even kind of sorry. Everybody's going to love that. Thank you for doing all of that.
Andrew	Everyone loves everything that I do.
Everett	No, I'm doing all right, man. It's definitely like end of summer.
Andrew	Oh, it's fall, man. Football is going. I had a fantasy draft yesterday. Saturday is our college football opening weekend. We may or may not be able to watch it. There's a whole thing.
Everett	What's the whole thing?
Andrew	There's some like carrier issues with Comcast and the Big Ten.
Everett	I don't know. Well, I will be able to watch it.
Andrew	Why is that?
Everett	Because I will be at the game. Oh, because I'm a season ticket holder to the Oregon Ducks football games. Oh, shucks. It's pretty. Andrew, I think we talked about this, but I just looked and my seats right now are going on SeatGeek, not my seats, but comparable seats in my row are going for $3,000 per ticket for, for, for the Ohio state game. And, and I have four of them. I have two of them technically, but you can get them on board. Yeah. So it was the kind of thing I was like, well, that's 1200 bucks. And probably if we're selling four, we could even like, eek it up, you know, so maybe like 1300 bucks that we could get. And it's like, well, that's like almost, I mean, it's a, it's a lot of money.
Andrew	It would be, we would, you, you stand to make $12,000 for that game.
Everett	We would pay for our season and, and then get a lot more. Um, so it's tempting, but I want to go to the Dex, Ohio state game. Yeah. I want to go.
Andrew	I think, I think this is the season to go subsequent seasons because these two teams, are going to be annually preseason ranked top 10 just based on like with the new NIL changes, like neither of these teams are going to fall out of the top 25 preseason rankings and likely not out of the top 10.
Everett	It seems like these are going to be perennial sort of playoff candidates for the very near future. So yeah, I'm with you this. Yeah. It's tough, though. It's a little bit.
Andrew	It's the first year in this conference. I would be tempted by the money. I think if you were able to just take it all and put it into a watch, I would maybe advocate that you do sell these tickets. Right. I don't see that as a reality. And I would say go to that game.
Everett	Yeah. And frankly, take your good friend, Andrew. That's the reason we that's the reason we bought these tickets was to go to the game. Right. So it's like, well, yeah, I want, I want to go. Um, I, I have been, I have been confronted by a number of my friends suggesting that they're the appropriate person to get that, to get my second seat. Uh, I have only hosted, I have only co-hosted 300 episodes of a podcast with one of those people though. So I don't know. I'm not making any decisions.
Andrew	And only one of them lives across the street from you. Uh, just, you know, Just saying, uh, not, not trying to like push you in any kind of direction, but you know, you know, there's a really clear decision to be made here.
Everett	No, I think, I think for the, you know, an IWC mark 20 exchange, we could probably work something out. Um, in titanium, Andrew, we're, we're not here to talk about the ducks football, although I would love to, we could, we could just pivot this, you know, we're 306 episodes in, let's just pivot.
Andrew	We're going to work. We are now a college football podcast. Hello, sports fans. You're listening to 40 and 20. I don't have a good intro queued up.
Everett	That was a miss. Yeah, that was a miss. That was a miss. In any event, we're here to talk about watches and watches we will talk about. It is a it is a it is a watch week.
Andrew	Some things went down, some low-key things, some hyped things.
Everett	Watches, we're sort of getting into the, we're getting back into the season. We've had a little bit of a summer reprieve.
Andrew	And the Watches and Wonders hangover, the, like this kind of the festival and show hangover is clearing.
Everett	But then we pick a rack back up with Geneva watches. So yeah, anyway, we're not quite there yet, but it does seem like It does seem like releases or have up ticked. I think that's an appropriate statement, right? Watches have upticked. I think given, given your seat of honor, it makes a lot of sense for you to start.
Andrew	You're in the more comfortable chair, but I will start. Uh, I just, there's a, an IFL Fratello Casio Moonlander collaboration that came out this week. There are not very many of them. What's the number on this? Um, What do you mean? What's the number? 111 pieces of them. So for those somehow unfamiliar, IFL is they, they, he does hand painted dials for watches. This is a Fratello, Casioque and IFL collaboration watch that features a moon and a lunar lander making its way toward the surface of the moon. It's it's super cool. Like everything IFL does is like a little quirky, kind of whimsical, but also just really great. And this collaboration of seeing a lunar lander come to the surface of a moon on a Cassiope isn't really fun. Hundred eleven pieces of them. And they're going for just under a thousand euro.
Everett	So nine hundred and eighty euro, which
Andrew	That that's in the that's in the zone.
Everett	Yeah, I mean, it's a piece of art and, you know, I actually think hand painted watch dials are something that exist, right? But I think the number of these that are available that have any sort of collector desirability is low. So IFL, I think, is I won't say it's unique. There are a few sort of well-known artists, but this is like a legit. I felt a player in the space. If you want a hand painted dial, this is probably one of the few options that you, you would be looking at. I, I frankly hate it. Uh, I don't hate it. I'm not, I don't hate it for you.
Andrew	I wouldn't, I wouldn't wear this watch. This would be like a watch that I have. And I'm like, look at this cool piece of art that I own, but it certainly wouldn't be a, a, even like a regularly, what? What are you looking for?
Everett	Andrew, have you worn a Casioque? Yes. I, um, I have tried these on. Did you lose something? Why are you? I'm all good. Okay. I have tried these on. I don't, I don't actually love the case on these. They're not quite right. They're okay. It's a super popular watch and I can understand why, but yeah.
Andrew	They're a touch of a miss for me. This is a really cool collaboration. I think the Cassiope and a moon lander motif is fun. Right? Because it's a watch that's never been to the moon. It's a faux integrated sports watch masquerading as a space watch. And is maybe better qualified to be a space watch than many of the watches that have been to space. So it's a whole tempest of things.
Everett	Has the exchange rate gotten weird? So these are 980 euros, but I'm tracking them for 1117 on Fratello's website right now. They're still available. No VAT outside EU.
Andrew	Oh, that is weird because right now it's, it's a USD to 0.9 euro. So that's, that tracks. Yeah, I guess so. That's in the, it's in the zone. Look at that. The euro's bouncing back. Interesting. I liked the one-to-one space that we lived in for pretty close to a one-to-one. We lived in for a while, but yeah, I mean, I mean, we're still almost a one to one, 1100 bucks for a, for a hand painted dial. I mean, it's a cat and that's a, that's kind of, I think the, the hangup, right? It's a, it's a Casio. Yeah, right. It's you're paying just a, you're paying for it now. Cause it, cause that, that watch is what, 180 bucks at retail. So you can get them in like 120, 140 zone. Uh, So you're paying for a hand-painted dial, and that's kind of a steal for a hand-painted dial.
Everett	Yeah, no, I'm with you on that. I think the value is there. You know, we talk a lot about like, you know, the objective qualities of a watch are not the most important thing, right? There's all sorts of things. There are all sorts of things that are more important than the specs.
Andrew	Unlike an F91, where if it gets over 30 bucks, it's a piece of shit and you should never buy it. But if you can buy it for 20 bucks, man, that's one of the finest watches that's ever been produced.
Everett	Andrew, I'm going to talk about a watch that I really love, which is the Porsche Chronograph One. So the Chronograph One had its 50th anniversary recently. And this year, the 911 Turbo, right now, The 911 turbo is celebrating its 50th anniversary. Um, my, my physics teacher, my high school physics teacher had a 911 turbo and he, the year they were released too.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	He had a 911 turbo and he would, I think it was partially tongue in cheek, but he complained about the fact that when you got above a certain speed that the that the spoiler would come out. So it had like some sort of automated spoiler and it wasn't out. And then you got above a certain speed and the spoiler would come out and he would complain about it because it didn't get a, the spoiler wouldn't come out until you got so fast that you were speeding on his, on his stretch of road. And so when the cops would see him, they'd know he was speeding because you could see a spoiler. I was like, well, we saw your spoiler results, sir. You self-selected. Obviously, one of the coolest cars ever made, the 911 Turbo is, and it's celebrating its 50th anniversary. And to celebrate that, they've released, they've actually, Porsche Design has released three watches. I'm just going to talk about one, because it is the, it is the chronograph one, which I personally, Andrew, I believe that this is one of, I won't say the, The anything is bullshit. Anytime someone says this is the, they're full of shit or they're just in a mood, right? This is one of the coolest watches ever. I'm surprised you don't own one. I am. I'm a little surprised. You know, I, I own that night that Dan Henry 1972 for a minute. Um, and ultimately that was my lesson learned in like buying the thing that's like the thing. And I wound up getting rid of it, not because I didn't love it. It was such a cool watch. In fact, it was one of the first watches that I sold. Yeah, I recall that transaction. It was just so... It was just like, this is never going to be the thing.
Andrew	It wasn't a long enough pencil to scratch the itch in the cast.
Everett	In the cast, that's right. Yeah. That's right. And it was worse than that, Andrew. It wasn't just that it didn't scratch the itch. It made the itch worse.
Andrew	Mm-hmm. Yeah, cuz you got close.
Everett	Yeah Like I resented it for not being a Porsche design right or or or an orphan. I Resented it and so Even though that was a dope watch. I mean the alarm function on everything about that watch is really really cool watch I have nothing bad to say about that watch except that it's not It portion design fomented resent in my heart. Mm-hmm. And so I had to get rid of it Um, so, uh, yeah, we've got a new, we've got a new chronograph one. This is the 50 years of the nine 11 turbo edition. It's made of ultra light. That's what they say. That's the marketing term and durable ultra light and durable titanium and finished with a scratch resistant black titanium carbide. They've done this before. This is just a, this is just a chronograph one a hundred meters of water resistance, 40.8 wide case, super thick. 15.5 thick. These are all thick. These are, I believe, 7750 watches originally. And so they're big. This has got a Cosk Work 01.240, which I believe is the 7750 architecture on this guy. But it's sort of that Porsche design in-house caliber. 48 hours. of power reserve. Uh, it's got a pretty neat flyback, uh, function, which gives you sort of starting, stopping and zeroing with a single clicker. Uh, the rotor is a Porsche wheel, like the iconic 911 turbo wheel. Um, yeah, this is, this is a neat watch and they're 12,000 bucks. They're limited, of course. I haven't seen how many pieces they're limited to, but I do know that they're limited.
Andrew	Oh, it's like 500, and I think it was a huge miss to not do 911 of them. It's like, what the fuck? Come on. I think it's 500 pieces they're limiting. Yeah, 500 pieces worldwide. Strictly 500 pieces worldwide. Just do 911. It's a 9-11 50th anniversary watch. So do 50. or do $911, there isn't an in-between.
Everett	They're $12,000. They come with a textile strap, as well as a bracelet. There's a quick release function. I mean, Porsche Design's really doing great stuff. This is a terrific watch. And it's $12,000. It's too thick. But that's not new to this watch. No. They are just... I shouldn't say too thick. This is a big, chunky... Yeah. It's a big chunky watch.
Andrew	And the quick release is not spring bar quick release. It's a push button quick release. I super dig that technology. I think it's less prone to failure. I don't know why I think that. I feel like it is less prone to failure.
Everett	You know, these watches aren't common enough for there to be Reddit threads about how the quick release fails. And so I don't know.
Andrew	I've never had a quick release fail on me. But it's a constant fear of mine. You know, and after Frank's not quick release bars failed on him, like, I'm just kind of scared, like, all the time, constantly. Do I have my watch, my phone, my wallet, my keys? Do I have all my things? I'm just rubbing myself all the time.
Unknown	But never mind on that. Are you good? Yeah.
Andrew	Yeah, I think the push button quick release is, in my mind, it seems less prone to failure, right? You have one mechanism that affects both sides as opposed to a mechanism, you muted me in the middle of a, you, as opposed to like one that can fail and fail everywhere. I feel like it minimizes the points of failure with a push button as opposed to a compression.
Unknown	I don't know.
Andrew	I don't know either. I'm not a doctor.
Everett	So that's all I have to say about that. The black titanium carbide coating on these is like, if you've ever seen these old Orphina, these, these old Orphina's or the Porsche Orphina's from, you know, the seventies or the eighties, they, the, the DLC or the, the coating on them tends to wear off and patina. I think that because of this, carbide, this black carbide coating, I think that it's going to be significantly more durable. It's pretty hard, and so it might chip. I don't know, but I think it's going to be significantly more durable.
Andrew	I feel like you really have to smack it to chip it.
Everett	Yeah, maybe.
Andrew	Yeah. And at that point, it's an earned battle scar, less of a boo-boo. Although at $12,000, I don't know if I want battle scars. So first up, Next up for me, not first up, I went first. Next up for me, I want to talk about the Mark 20 Patrouille Suisse. So we all know about the Mark 20 and the history of the Mark 20 originating as kind of a dirty dozen watch and progressing through time, being a little bit, not a little bit, a much bit slimmed smaller version of the big pilot and all of IWC's pilot watches. We have this beautiful and fantastic true to size field watch from IWC, which we, we deserve and IWC owes it to the world to not just produce manhole covers as good as their manhole covers are. So this watch is, It's the Mark 20, right? It's a 40 millimeter case, 10.6 thick. Here's the exciting part. They dropped one in a titanium case. IWC has a great history of introducing titanium cases into kind of select watches and just dabbling in that titanium world. And this is the perfect application for titanium because it's their field watch. It's their small watch. Let's make it feel even smaller with a matte-blasted titanium case. Here is the next level of excitement. It's this beautiful bursted gray dial as opposed to a matte black or a true black. This gray dial is just fantastic. But it's a Mark 20, right? It's all the things we know and love about a Mark 20. Upgraded with titanium. Problems are two. Only 250 of them. And they're 7,000 euros. And here's the real bitch. It doesn't come on a fucking bracelet. There is only a textile strap option for it. And I'm so annoyed that you're going to do this awesome thing Charge me 2,000 more dollars. Make it a nine, 10,000 euro watch and just include a titanium bracelet. Hmm. Like, what?
Everett	Yeah. Well, so, I mean, the Mark 20 is kind of an interesting watch for me. IWC released the Mark 20 in late 2022, I believe.
Andrew	But it was an iterative design off of, you know, 60 years of watch design, 80 years of watch design.
Everett	When they released it, they made hardly a peep about it, right? We didn't talk about it on this show. Very few, very few publications reported on it at the time because IWC just kind of dropped it. They were like, the Mark 18 is now the Mark 20. You're, it's better in just about every way. But it's still the same thing. And the price really didn't change. You know, it's still, you know, $5,000-ish watch from IWC. It's just, they're like, oh, now it's the Mark 20.
Andrew	That's an IWC thing to do. They're just like, man, we're just doing our thing.
Everett	You know, I don't know IWC well enough as a company to know that that's true. I've never seen IWC hype. Never once. Yeah, that, well, and even their watches are sort of like, almost offensively boring and understated. Which makes them so good. Yeah, that's my opinion as well, Andrew. So this watch is actually inspired by what I understand to be perhaps the most sought after IWC watch, which is known as the Mellow Yellow. This was a titanium Mark 12. that was co-branded with Saab. Saab, a company that doesn't even exist anymore.
Andrew	Which was news to me. I still see Saabs on the road and they were uncommon.
Everett	Sure. Yeah. But the company's just shuttered. I didn't realize that. It doesn't exist. So anyway, this is a tribute to that or inspired by that. And for all the reasons you might expect. It's very similar to that because it's the mark and they just, they've been virtually unchanged even though we're on, it's not actually the 20th version because they skip numbers. They didn't have a mark 19. I don't think they have a 13.
Andrew	No, they went from like 12 to 18.
Everett	Sure. Is that, is that right?
Andrew	Uh, so there's a, there's a, the mark 12. But yeah, I went to 18th from 12 and there was no 19.
Everett	Yeah. And they skipped 19 as well. So maybe there's like, hey, you know what?
Andrew	We've done enough upgrades that this is maybe we'll call it seven.
Everett	Maybe they don't really iterations. Maybe they don't. Maybe they don't like release. They're like, well, this is this is the mark 19. We're not going to sell them, but this is what it would. It's it's not ready. So, yeah, 250 pieces, which is. Yeah, that's not very many. And I agree with you, Andrew. On a bracelet, I'm like, yes, please. Not on a bracelet, I think this would be a pass for me. The price isn't bad. Dial's beautiful. I love a titanium watch.
Andrew	Everything about it's great, but I want a bracelet. Yeah, there's some key misses when you do a release like this.
Everett	For me, I'm going to take a Hamilton khaki mechanical over this, a titanium khaki mechanical over this. I'll take the quartz. So cool watch, Andrew. I had it on my list. You had it on your list. I know you slurped you. The Mark 20, I do think is a watch that I consider like selling the farm for. I think it's terrific, but I'd want one on a bracelet. Give me the blue dial. Give me the bracelet. I'm fine with the steel case.
Andrew	Yeah, it's the bracelet. It's, you know, titanium or steel. I don't really care. But give me a bracelet, at least give me the choice. Yeah, that's right. That's right.
Everett	Don't take that from me. Don't take that from me. Luminox, Andrew.
Andrew	Yes. This is the second time in like a month that we've talked about Luminox.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	Well, that's right. I don't think it was, I think it was a little bit more than a month ago, but you're right. So the Pacific diver series has been around for several years. It's sort of Luminox's like core diver or one of their core divers. Well, Luminox has always felt to me like a bit of a bastard in the watch space. Um, you know, their quartz watches, they're pretty tactical. Um, And I just think it's easy to sort of look over them for both good and bad reasons. But they've done something cool here. I believe, and I've read this, so I'm not making this up, but I do believe that this is their first ever automatic watch. They're calling it the Pacific Diver Automatic 3100 Series watches. And I think they're terrific. I think they're terrific.
Unknown	They're good.
Everett	Yeah. 201-movement, a 200-1 movement. It's a Luminox. So this actually looks just like the Pacific Diver in quartz. Very, very similar. A notable addition of a wavedial, which, okay, interesting. Tritium all over the place. You've got combinations of tritium colors, which is cool. That's, that's neat. Thank you for doing that.
Andrew	And the tritium tubes on the hands are so pronounced. Yes. Those are never going to die. Well, they will die.
Everett	In 150 years. Is that how long they last? I didn't think tritium lasted that long.
Unknown	I think they were like 50 year tubes.
Everett	Yeah. Well, these are great. These are great. You can get them on a bracelet. You can get them on a pretty, uh, uninspired, like sort of 1990s Tommy Hilfiger strap that says Luminox, which I know that's a thing. I fucking hate that. Um, a lot of angle. Yeah. There's a lot of angle to this series of watch and the, the way the lugs integrate with the bracelet is they've done that thing where they squared off that they they've squared off the lugs, but then like giving you sort of faux, lugs, and then they've used a straight end. Anyway, uh, I'm griping. I think these are great. I think these are great. Decent movement. Decent price on these.
Andrew	I have two, one real concern. One is maybe not so valid. And then an observation.
Unknown	Okay.
Andrew	Real concern for, or excuse me, 24 millimeter lug width. Which means that whatever you get this on, it's on until you can order something else. And I'm sure the bracelet's going to be just fine. But I like to have options. 24? Oh my gosh. It doesn't make sense because the dimensions look pretty good for a 42mm case. Next, it's 13mm thick. Which I can kind of get with for a 200-meter watch.
Everett	Yeah, I think 13 is fine. I'm fine with the thickness. In fact, I bet this thing wears borderline thin.
Andrew	I mean, it's a 42-millimeter dive watch, and it's a spec'd out dive watch, so I'm good with it. Next is my observation.
Unknown	Okay.
Everett	Now, look at that profile.
Andrew	No, I agree. I think this is going to wear great, but it's also not meant to be a thin, subtle watch.
Everett	Yeah, that's not meant to be spelt. Yeah. 13 millimeters on this watch. I think it's just fine.
Andrew	Uh, I did some like real digging when, when I saw this watch the Tag Heuer and Luminox logos are so absurdly similar.
Unknown	Hmm.
Andrew	Shapes a little bit different, but at a glance. It's a shield, right? It's a shield, but it's a two tone, you know, partitioned out shield, which I think is kind of unusual in a commercial space to have a logo that looks so similar to, and maybe it's that Luminox and Tag Heuer have never really been competitors. They've just kind of existed in the same place.
Everett	When did Tag buy Hoyer. Ooh. 80s? When did TAG, I'm Googling, buy Hoyer? 1985. So TAG bought Hoyer. So the Hoyer logo used to be just sort of the bottom half of the TAG Heuer shield. And when TAG bought them, one of the conditions of that was that it would be known as Tag Heuer moving forward. And it was probably something that was a little weird when it happened. Obviously, my experience with watches does not include any memory of Heuer being a brand independent of Tag. And so I've never considered it. I assume it's a little weird. Now it's just Tag Heuer and that shield, they just added the tag to the top. 1989 is when Luminox started. So I wonder, Andrew, if there was some inspiration. You know, LumiNox is a California company making Swiss watches. I don't know if it's always been in Switzerland, but it could just be that they were like, this is what we want to look like. LumiNox. Yeah.
Andrew	And it was just, today was the first day that I, um, I looked at it. I was like, that's a, isn't it?
Everett	No, it's not. What? It may not be that big of an accident. I guess is my point.
Andrew	No, I don't know that it is. It's just, that's why I say it's an observation. Yeah. Curiosity perhaps. It's a good one. Cause nobody else, there are no other two watch brands who have logos that at like in passing you could mistake for one another. Not that I can think of.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. Well, I wonder, I bet it wouldn't take us very long to go through like the micro brand watch archives to, you know, I started. I'm thinking established brands. I talked about this on the show, but I started a new podcast this year that I do with a guy here in Oregon and it's an Oregon specific podcast. And when we made our logo for the podcast, I had these colors that I wanted to use and I was just listening to a podcast. It's one of my favorite podcast is one of my favorite podcasts. And I was like, I'm just going to steal their logo because it's fucking awesome. And I think I can change it enough to make it interesting, but it's like a direct rip off. And I did it as an homage more than anything, because I, you know, I was like, if someone notices that they'll know what I was doing. And if the makers of this podcast bless my heart by, uh, noticing, I would just be like, yeah, I did that because I love your guys' show and I wanted to do an homage to it. But it could be something like that, right? They were just like Tag Heuer is the coolest watch company.
Unknown	In 1989? Maybe. Yeah.
Everett	Yeah. Who knows? Who knows? Either way, this is a cool watch and it's an automatic Luminox. If you've ever wanted a Luminox and you're like, I just can't. I mean, I also think the first Luminox watches were like straight were straight copies, too. Like, I think that they were straight homage watches. So.
Andrew	So their logo is just maintaining the tradition? Yeah, maybe. Well, since we're talking about a brand doing a uniquely mechanical watch, I don't talk about a brand doing a uniquely unique quartz watch. Hamilton this week has released the khaki field in quartz.
Everett	Yeah, but this was just today that they released this, right?
Andrew	Well, today, but tomorrow. Two days ago. And two days ago for you listening. In quartz, and it comes with a couple notable differences. We have a 33 and a 38 millimeter case, and that's Dope that 38 is gonna wear so good. I think even the 33 could be kind of in my in my zone of Mmm, I might be interested in this and and here's what got me really excited because they're going to a quartz movement They were able to reduce the thickness on their watches. We have seven and a half for the 33 and 8.3 for the 38 otherwise we have You know, we have memorable or Typical colorways we have a black with a little bit of photina, blue with no photina, blue with photina, darker blue with photina, and white with photina. And the whole thing is to kind of call back to the radium loom and stuff and I get it, but just like, I could do without the photina on the white dial, the black I get But it's not for me. But this this lighter blue with white markers in 33. I'm pretty into that. Pricing on them is. Three hundred and ninety five dollars, Hamilton coming in, swinging into the affordable like try out our shit. We have cool stuff. get a taste of the real thing for not a lot of money. This is a big thing.
Everett	Hmm.
Andrew	I'm listening under 500 bucks. You're getting into, into Swiss made legacy brand watches.
Everett	I mean, I guess, I think it's interesting until you think that when the Powermatic Hamilton khaki mechanicals came out, they were, I think like 500 bucks. So Hamilton has in the last three or four years, you know, really kind of bumped their bottom line on their, on their entry level watches. You know, you used to be able to get a khaki King for 350 bucks. You're, you know, pushing a thousand for an automatic khaki field. Now, um, you know, I think some of their, I think their titanium mechanical came in at 1200 bucks. Yeah. That's where they land. Hamilton's been, been slowly and steadily increasing. You know, when I bought my mechanical, it was basically new. Uh, it wasn't new, but it was like new. Um, and it was, I think I paid 375 bucks for it.
Andrew	So this is, I would say is, but that's an important difference there is that you bought the old logo, you bought yours Brand like basic like new condition for the same calendar year as the new dial variation came out.
Everett	That's true that that's true Andrew, but I had both of them and I paid about the same for two of them so you can get a Hamilton khaki. You can get a Hamilton khaki mechanical right now in the old logo for 409 in the new logo for. 452.
Andrew	So, uh, so we're getting brand new inbox from Hamilton from Joma at three 95, which means that if you're going to get them brand new inbox or, or like new box and papers, you're going to be getting these for 300, 325 bucks.
Everett	I guess perhaps I'm not arguing with you, Andrew. I'm just suggesting that this is actually, I was a little surprised at the price on these. Um, I was a little surprised. There's a lot of money for this watch, I think, but I don't think it's unfair or nor do I think it's a bad price. I was just a little surprised. Like, I think it's more of us. I think just as much of anything is a sign that Hamilton's prices have gone up.
Andrew	Everyone's prices have gone up. You know, we see it from Monta every year. They're like, Hey, just so you know, we're going up 250 bucks. Sure. Sure. Like, I don't know if they do a percentage. I don't know, but they, they, We just know. We know that annually, shit, when I was selling beer, October was price change. Every October, you had to print out 500 sheets of perforated tags to go change all the price tags at every convenience store you had, because in October, prices go up. And they go up different amounts every year to reflect supply chain and all the reasons. It's never going down like we're never you're never going to pay less than that ever again. Right.
Everett	Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. With that said, I I'm with you.
Andrew	These are pretty cool. As if the watch wasn't thin enough.
Everett	Yeah, my mechanical I think is nine five. So you're a full millimeter.
Andrew	Yeah. Yeah. That's a huge difference.
Everett	I'm with you. Yeah, I'm with you. Um, yeah, cool watch. I'm going to talk about Yema because we should talk about Yema more. Why not? Yema, what a brand. These guys, I feel like every, every three or four weeks, Yema drops a watch and much like, without pomp and circumstance, IWC, it does not seem to like, it doesn't seem to me like they're really Like going crazy with the marketing, which I don't know. I don't know why I like that, but I do kind of like it.
Andrew	Are we just missing it? Like, do you think maybe their marketing is bigger in their European markets and we're just kind of like in the splash zone?
Everett	You know, I, I don't know. I actually specifically looked for this watch in publications and I did not see, I did not see an article. I actually, there's not a one just to be clear.
Andrew	Yeah. The website is the one, there must be a press kit out there somewhere because we heard about this watch. But we didn't get a press kit. We didn't get it. No. Cause we're not, we're not cool, hip or important. Uh, but we, we heard of the press kit a week ago.
Everett	Yeah. Maybe not even that long ago. If you, in the last three or four days is when I heard about this. So, uh, the watch Yema released the watch that is called diver. Uh,
Andrew	Which makes its search engine optimization not great.
Everett	Yeah. Yemma Diver. Thank you.
Andrew	Thank you, Yemma. Maybe it's lost in translation there.
Unknown	I don't know.
Everett	And you know, Yemma's got their, well, they've got a handful of divers, right? If you Google Yemma Diver, you're going to find pretty much everything besides this watch. Besides this watch. So, so what is it? It is a brand new watch for Yema. It's not a catalog watch or something they brought back. This is a brand new watch. It's a Monin, they say, a Monin-inspired case, which, you know, if you know what that is, it's sort of like rounded lugs, usually flared crown guards. This is that. We've got 20 millimeter lugs. We've got 200 meters of water resistance. We've got the Yema 2000 in-house, which is a 2824, but this is a no-date version of this. I say 2824. It's a 2824 architecture, but the Yema makes in-house. It's got a terrific-looking beads of rice bracelet. Double dome Hesalite.
Andrew	Love that choice. For a 60s-inspired diver, that's the option, and it would be really easy to go sapphire, S lights the choice.
Everett	I love it. I love it. Um, you've got a great, a great steel bezel. Not everybody loves a steel bezel, but I like me a steel. I'm wearing a steel bezel. You are, you sure are. It's got a great steel bezel. Um, dimensions, 20 millimeter lugs, 39 and a half on the diameter. And that, that is, that is not including the crown. Uh, 46 lug to lug. Modern cases have a great set of proportions, right? And so you're not going to get an overly long, they're relatively short lugs.
Andrew	It's just, yeah, a little squat potato sitting on your wrist. That's right.
Everett	That's right. I think that these are shipping, I think that these are shipping in September.
Andrew	Yeah, it's September ship date. I don't know if they have a a hard date besides the month.
Everett	And they're available for pre-order now, although I am struggling to find the ability to buy these. You click on 39 and a half, if you, oh, shipping September 24th, you just go add to cart. So they're 890 bucks, which is kind of terrific. There's bad news. It's 14. It is 14. And it's that like,
Andrew	It's that like, uh... Deliberately, it's clearly Fotina.
Everett	Uncooked Oscar Mayer hot dog color. That's what I'm going to refer to this color as. You know, it's that loon color. It's, it's uncooked Oscar Mayer hot dog. That's what I'm going to call this color. It fucking is. From here on out.
Andrew	It's raw hot dog. It's a raw dog.
Everett	Not, not just hot dog. Oscar Mayer hot dog. Yeah. Yeah. Like very specific. beige is what this color is. And it's actually been pretty common in the sort of mid-tier, you know, that thousand dollar, Hamilton uses this color quite a bit. Yama uses this color. I don't like it. I think this is bad news. If this had a green loom or a white loom, I would be like, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah. But as it is, this is available just in a black dial with Oscar Meyer loom.
Andrew	Yeah. And it's a lot of Oscar Meyer loom. A lot. Every single marker and the markers are big with that 60s big white minute track in between the markers. It's got a hot dog loom at the 12 o'clock of the bezel with then white loom everywhere else.
Everett	It's not even loom, it's just white pad printing with Oscar Mayer loom. That's kind of a bummer. Do you think that's going to catch on? Do you think Oscar Mayer loom could catch on?
Andrew	I mean, our objectively perfect rating scale caught on.
Unknown	It didn't.
Andrew	It didn't. That's how people rate watches. People say it's an 11.
Everett	I would really, it would make my entire watch Watch talking about career if Oscar Meyerloom caught on.
Andrew	If we could opine significantly enough to coin a catchphrase. We did coin Sex KX. I think that was us. It was us. That was us.
Everett	Actually, we're the only ones who use it. Both Dress KX and Sex KX were us. Yeah. I actually think people use Dress KX more than Sex KX, but they were both us. We did that. You're welcome, world. I've, I've read that. I've read that term on actually like big publications, dress KX. That was us.
Andrew	They need to be crediting us when they do that. They need to. Um, you don't want one complaint. I have the, the Yama logo. I love it.
Everett	I love it. I love it. I love it.
Andrew	Give me the logo or give me the text. I don't need both. I want both. I don't. Yeah.
Everett	I don't want both. I like it. I think they do good with it. I like the proportion. I like the symmetry. I like it.
Andrew	I like, I like the logo and I like the text. I don't like both everything else. I, and even though I kind of share your, uh, disdain for this, uh, Oscar Meyer, that's the official, this disdain for the Oscar Meyer, the uncooked Oscar Meyer hot dog color in this platform. I kind of think it works. Boo. It never works. It's never the right decision. It was the wrong decision, but I think it kind of lands.
Everett	This is a good looking watch.
Andrew	I'm with you. I do. I think it lands. And for Yemo to just be like, Oh, Hey, by the way, there's this watch and it's kind of not a big deal, but it's pretty awesome.
Everett	This is a weird objection, Andrew, but the coat of arms that's been hydraulic pressed on the back is not centered up and down. It's not.
Andrew	It isn't. That's just a rendering. It may well be corrected in the final version, but it also might not be because, but this is clearly a rendering. Yeah.
Everett	Great Beads of Rice bracelet. Yumma does a really good job with their bracelets.
Andrew	There are only a couple pictures that are not renderings. Actually, that might Yeah, I'm not sure that actually... We might not have any pictures of this. I think this is a prototype.
Everett	I think that's an actual prototype. So anyway, yema.com. There'll be a link in the show notes. That's all I have to say about that.
Andrew	It is, you know, up to and including raw hot dogs. I'm for this watch. And I'm for Yema. I want to talk more about Yema. I don't think that Yema necessarily gets our due regard.
Everett	Um, you know, even though we talk about him often, yeah, it's good. We'll just we'll leave it at that for now. We'll leave it at that for now. Yum is good.
Andrew	Hmm. Next up for me, a watch brand that I'm not sure if we've talked about. On the show at all. Oh. No, because it pick the chop heck and our I feel like I'm maybe putting the emphasis on the wrong syllable. I say chap-eck.
Everett	I like chap-eck. Chap-eck. Chap-eck? That's what I say. I don't think about it as much as you have made me think about it in the last 27 seconds.
Andrew	Now I'm feeling a little self-conscious about it. So we have a chap-eck. with a venturine and it is just gorgeous right like this integrated sports watch has sort of been like when you see it you're like oh this is this integrated sports watch phase that we've been in for the last 18 months has been begging for this kind of refinement we had a venturine dial What would... I'm not really sure what to call this style of bracelet.
Everett	It's a Chappick bracelet. Yeah. I don't know. Nobody else does this.
Andrew	So it's these Chappick U-links inside of the bracelet that are alternating brushed and polished. It's just this beautiful spectacle to behold that all kind of pulls you into this night sky of Venturine. And it's absolutely stunning. And it's an Anartique, right? It's, it's the stunning watch that we know. There's a black of Venturine, like a black, and there's like a little soft blue purple. It's, Fucking gorgeous. None of you, nor I, will ever see one in person, nor will we buy one. They are 42,000 Swiss francs, so a million money. The Swiss franc is held on in their exchange rate. 120 meters of water resistance. Fuck you, Patek. And they're just fucking gorgeous. This is like, this is one of the, this is the release that like, when you look at like Houghton high horology, I'm like, man, you're thinking about us. You're not going to, you're not going to hook us up, but you're thinking about us.
Everett	Yeah. Well, these, I'm with you, man. This is just an absolutely stunning watch.
Andrew	With the diamond and oh yeah, we didn't talk about the diamonds.
Everett	I'm just yeah, the Antarctic I think is sort of in a class of its own. I think. For a lot of people, the the 12. From Christopher Ward was like, oh, this isn't every man's Antarctic. They've got a similar to Christopher Ward, uh, they have a micro adjust butterfly link. I don't believe they work similarly at all.
Andrew	Uh, they, they don't because the, the Christopher Ward doesn't create a gap. Yeah. And the choppeck does create a gap.
Everett	But you know, if you're talking about like airport stress relief, like got laid It's gotten perhaps the most stunning micro rotor on earth The sxh5 which is I Mean it is a work of art. It is both.
Andrew	I I think if a bunch of us went in on this we could probably get one Yeah, because there's there's only eight of the Antarctic. Mm-hmm, and there's 18 of the Antarctic s It's a platinum micro rotor.
Everett	Yeah With a free sprung balance.
Andrew	Yeah, so we could like NFT this right? Will everyone can put in money? You all own a little bit of it. You all own a little bit of it and I'll hold the thing. On our behalf.
Everett	Andrew, I don't have any more watches. I want to talk about you have anything else.
Andrew	Not really, no, I do have one thing. So. Erwork is a brand that we don't talk about often. Because they cost many, many monies. Because they cost all of the money. Um, but they, so in what year was it?
Everett	Uh, 2014.
Andrew	Was that it crashed?
Everett	Oh no.
Andrew	So there's, um.
Everett	1970.
Andrew	In, yeah, in the seventies and SR71. 1970. Oh, 1970. Exactly. Yes. And S.R. 71 crashed. And every once in a while. Yeah. A Blackbird, which was like the. The thing, if you are somehow unfamiliar with the S.R. 71, it's probably one of the greatest up to and including space travel, the greatest vessels ever created. One crashed, you know, those those kind of mishaps happen. And every once in a while, some chunks of this thing get found in Texas and people sell them. And our work was able to get their hands on some chunks of of a of the crash and have integrated it into a 10th anniversary electro mechanical control watch. And they've integrated those chunks into this weird into the little hand crank winder of it and into the bezel.
Everett	Yeah. What do they call this? The electro mechanical control, which is a watch from 2014 or perhaps 2013. Yeah.
Andrew	It's a 2013 watch. So it's a little late to be a 10th anniversary. It's an 11th, but that's a hard sell. Um, the watches is super postmodern. I don't like it at all. Yeah. I think it's fantastic. I do really like that. It has SR 71 bits in it. Uh, you know, and priced it. 150,000 francs. I might be better off just hitting West Texas with a metal detector to find a chunk of the SR-71 myself.
Everett	Do you know anything about this movement, this watch?
Andrew	I know nothing about it because nothing about it makes sense. Yeah. So it's this space age, super accurate, you know, mind your business, you can't afford it, kind of watch.
Everett	I'm going to read from Hodinkee here. Credit where credit's due. These are the words of Mark Kozlerich, which I'm not familiar with him.
Andrew	I'm not going to link to this article.
Everett	If you've followed Urwerk, you know their EMC, electromechanical control. Don't you know? Oh, I'm the asshole. Which has been out since 2013. The core feature, Okay, let's see if you can follow. The core feature is an optical sensor linked to a control board that checks the balance wheel's 4 Hz beat rate against a 16,000,000 Hz electronic oscillator benchmark. An integrated circuit has a calculator capable of determining the differential, and with the press of a button at about 8 o'clock on the case, you can get the readout of the chronometric precision of the watch on the 10 o'clock sub-dial.
Andrew	There's also, yeah, never mind that nobody actually understands what that sentence means. That sentence has 26 words.
Everett	Uh, these are cool. There are 150,000 Swiss francs. There's I bet. Oh, there's 10 pieces. Uh, it's cool though. Shit.
Andrew	I mean, it's got SR 71 bits in it. That's fucking dope. It's cool. That's all I want to talk about. It's just, I mean, I'll talk about the Blackbird.
Unknown	for for no reason at all.
Andrew	That's the last thing I wanted to mention is that this bizarro. Thirty five word sentence watch exists.
Everett	It's it's it's a beautiful, really, really lovely, very cool watch.
Andrew	But and the problem with watches that are this high horology. That are this level of of innovative design is they can cost 30 bucks at a flea market or one hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
Unknown	Mm hmm.
Andrew	And you're not really sure which is which. It's got a little hand crank that like separates out from the case and boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop bo Um, I have another thing. We are bringing a puppy home next week. I, uh, coached youth lacrosse this year with a fella who just kind of like oddly in passing before a game was like, Hey, you guys want a dog? I'm like, nope, not really. No. He's like, well, well, you know, we have this lab and my daughter wants to breed this lab and do like a litter of puppies and do this whole thing. His daughter's in high school and it's like, they're kind of 4-H-y like people. And he's like, so if you, if you're interested, like mom is annoyingly lazy and dad is the same. They're both chocolates, but we expect a mix of chocolate blacks and you know, we're thinking like, you know, July ish. I was like, I'm interested, but I'm not a yes. Like, okay, cool. And then he like, we finished the season. He went radio silent and I kind of just like wrote it off. I was like, yeah, it's this dog's first litter.
Unknown	Like you either get nine or you get one or none. Right.
Andrew	when you're breeding a dog. So he texted me like two weeks ago and was like, Hey, are you still interested? We've got six puppies still looking for a home.
Unknown	I'm like, Hmm, can I come meet your dogs?
Andrew	So we go out and I pet that dog. So we go out and we meet this pile of, of like a four, chocolates and five black lab puppies who are all at this point, like eight weeks old when we go meet them. And it's just a puppy pile. Kids love them. Wife loves them. I love them. Like I laid on the ground and these puppies just swarmed all over me like they were ants. It was amazing, even like as they're biting my face and ears. So anyway, we're getting a puppy next Monday. We're going to bring him home. Uh, which prompted me to break out all of my, uh, dog training books from the last time we tried to get puppies. And in 2011, we had a really traumatic, like, like for most of the year in 2012. So like all of 2011, we're researching puppies. We find this breeder, they're AKC. These are like credentialed hot shit champion litter, like Lineage dogs. And we put down a fuck ton of money, a deposit, and the puppies we got were just not quite right. And we take him to the vet because that's what you do. You get a puppy, you take him to the vet. And the vet's like, you need to take these dogs back. They like. They're blind and they have vertigo. So they had this like congenital eye defect that it was a whole thing and it like ruined this family because that was their whole livelihood was breeding these dogs and they couldn't breed these dogs anymore because a hereditary thing just showed up and a whole litter the entire like nine puppies had this issue which sucked. But anyway I had all these books of like training your hunting dogs so I broke out my hunting dog books and I have this book from 1983 how to train your own gundog by a fella named Charles S. Goodall who was was a renowned hunting dog trainer and sourced a bunch of like he he sourced a bunch of other people to kind of help him write this book and uh it's this really well laid out how to train your your gun dog and he breaks it down into three categories um pointing dogs spaniels and retrievers so it's three small books with kind of like a universal book at the beginning as a part of this universal book to show that 1983 did not age well The shy one who peeks out of his kennel, or slinks around the kennel yard with tail tucked in, or cringes at loud noises, or spooks if someone moves a hand or foot, is a poor risk. And so is the biter, or serious growler, or the placid one who is not interested in humans, or his kennel mates and ignores the birds and the bees. Female members of the Byers family may not agree with these remarks, and are likely to say instead, Let's take that poor little timid one who won't come out of his house. He's so pitiful. This is an excellent time to avoid the emotional approach, even if it means leaving mama and daughters at home. So that comes from the section of selecting a puppy. But he's got these really great, you know, like month by month, training plans that are tried and true on how to very deliberately and intentionally train your dog to work. And that's, I think, the problem that a lot of people have when they get high energy dogs, especially working dogs, is they don't train them. They don't give them like a purpose and their energies outlets and all these other places. So my, my existence over the last several weeks has been really deliberately delving into intentional training of a dog. Cause even if, you know, we don't go hunt birds and, and bird hunting is far and away my favorite, uh, variety of hunting because it's super active. It's super fun. That's fun. And, But if you give this dog a job, suddenly their job can become just go grab this thing. And they're like, fuck yes, that's what I want to put on my resume. That's what I've been waiting for. Yes. Um, so anyhow, my, my other thing is, uh, dog training and intentional dog training from a puppy. And it can be done for older dogs. It can be done for, you know, medium age and even to elderly dogs. You can teach them new things. For example, my 11-year-old terrier is learning to now lay in her place. It's a dog bed, because bed is her crate, but her place is her dog bed. She's learning to lay in her place when we eat, because I am not about to have a velociraptor swarming around my feet while I eat. We're going to have to rectify that problem here pretty quickly. But anyway, yeah, dog training and deliberate dog training and through not just like, oh, I saw this thing, but, you know, understanding the what and the why and from people who do it, and especially with working dogs, you know, giving dogs a purpose so that they want to do the things that you tell them to do.
Everett	Alternatively, you can get a golden doodle and it will just
Andrew	Sit on my porch. That's his, that's his best trick is that when he escapes, he comes to my porch.
Everett	He's like, I actually don't need any training. I'm just going to chill.
Andrew	Yeah. Everything else is, is like, can I go to Andrew's? If I say this, this could happen. But if I open the front door, he will go to that front porch.
Everett	That's true.
Andrew	That's true. Yeah. Oh, they're going to be such homies.
Everett	They're going to be homies. Yeah. They're going to be homies. Um, I'm looking forward to that little doggy play dates. Me too. Um, Andrew, I've got another thing. Do me. I have been this summer, uh, in search of a penny loafer with room for a penny or so perhaps. Yes. I'm although I'm not going to put a penny in my shoes.
Andrew	I have very vivid memories, and I'm sure you do too, of my dad's penny loafers with pennies.
Everett	With a penny. So I don't know if this is true or not, but I understand that the deal with the penny is that initially pay phones were two cents. And so by having a penny in each of your shoes... You could always call home for a ride. If you needed to make a call, you were ready. Whether that's true or not, I don't think actually matters. Um, okay. I was in the, I was on the hunt for a penny loafer. Now there are a couple of brands. Um, obviously Bass makes the Weegin famously the first penny loafer and they are trad and good, but they are Blake stitched, which I'm not a huge fan of. And they're just the, the leathers are kind of shitty. So a lot of people would get, uh, Weegins, and wear them until they go bad. I wanted something a little nicer than a Ouijan, right? I'll just leave it at that. You can re-sole a Ouijan, but anyway, I wanted something a little bit nicer. There are other options. Alden makes their Leisure hand-sewn penny loafer. They're, depending on what you get, you know, $650, $700. It's like, well, it's a little too much. Jam Weston makes a classic. penny loafer. They're even more. They're like a thousand. That's a little rich for my blood. I want something in between those two. I wound up narrowing it down to a couple options, and I ultimately went with a brand that I was really comfortable with, and it's a brand I've talked about on the show before, which is Rancourt. I purchased the Rancourt pinch penny loafer. However, prior to ordering from the website, I decided, you know what, I'm going to take a browse on eBay. In fact, I'm going to set up an eBay search alert for my size and rank court and pet gopher and just give it a couple of weeks. I'm not in a big hurry. I don't need this to the, well, I never need this, but I really am not going to wear it until the fall. And I found a search alert popped up and it was a Ralph Lauren. made in the United States by Rancourt Pennyloafer. Uh, new, new or virtually new, but, but new old stock. So a discontinued made for Ralph Lauren by Rancourt Pinch Pennyloafer, which is exactly the shoe I was looking for. And the color was this like deep red. Anyway, I got these shoes kind of, I was like, they came up, I got them for a song. Um, and Oh man, I love them. I love them. You know, the nice thing about buying from a company like Rancourt is you're getting something that is handmade. You're getting something that is made with the best leather on earth. Did you get the Cordovana or? I didn't go shell. No. So mine is calf. It's calf. and it's this beautiful red color that you actually can't get on the Rancourt website, but that's not the other thing. The other thing is the Rancourt Pinch Penny Loafer. If you're looking for a classic penny loafer, now, loafers are weird, right? I've got dress loafers. I've got a pair of tassel loafers that I never wear because I think they're kind of dumb. Because they're boat shoes. No, tassel loafers are not boat shoes. These are, yeah, they're more of like a dress loafer. And I wanted, I wanted a penny loafer. I also have actual, um, like camp mocks that are more like boat shoes. Um, but yeah, these are, these are a pinch penny loafer, which is, that's in contrast to a beef roll loafer. So it's a little bit dressier than the beef roll. Um, golly, they came in and they're just, they're just perfect.
Andrew	Have you added coins to them?
Everett	No, I'm not going to do that.
Andrew	So from my my brief Google searching, everyone tends to be in agreement that it had to do with keeping change for a pay phone. So if you want to be a real baller, throw some dimes in there.
Everett	Yeah, no. No.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	They're my shoes, there'll be no coins, but I love them.
Andrew	I'm going to get new penny loafers. I'm going to go into your house tomorrow while you're at work. I'm going to put dimes in your pinch loafers. Uh, no.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	You get free 20 free cents. No, you won't. Um, yeah. Anyway, I got new loafers. Those are good looking loafers too. I always struggle with laceless shoes.
Everett	I don't because there's nothing to struggle with.
Andrew	I just, I don't, I don't feel I don't know. They make me feel uncomfortable having no laces. Unless, like, you know, boots. Like, you know. But laceless shoes. Even Romeos.
Unknown	I'm like, eh.
Andrew	And I have a pair of Romeos and I wear them.
Unknown	I'm a grown up. I can tie my shoes.
Everett	Yeah, I love a good loafer. And I now have panty loafers. I have something to wear with a pair of khakis.
Andrew	And you can put 20 cents in it to go towards a payphone. Yeah, that's what Because it's more than that to pay for a payphone call.
Everett	I haven't seen a payphone in probably 15 years. How much do payphones cost if you find one?
Andrew	I don't know. The next time I see a payphone I'll try to make a call.
Everett	I do remember. Are there payphones in Eugene? You would know.
Andrew	I don't know the last time I saw one.
Everett	Yeah. I remember it was 25 cents and then it was 50 cents and then all the payphones were gone.
Andrew	I remember dialing down the middle and leaving a really quick
Unknown	who's calling, like, you never did that?
Unknown	No.
Everett	Like 2580?
Andrew	No, no, no. Dialing, like a collect call. And you got the chance to leave a note, like a who's calling. And then when the person picked up, you're receiving a collect call from, hey, I'm at the mall, please pick me up in 15 minutes.
Everett	Does that work? He got me picked up. I'm ready.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	That's funny. You never did? No, I never did that. That's terrific, though.
Andrew	But yeah, that was how you defeated the collect call. Andrew, anything else you want to add before we go? No, I have a lot of things besides scamming 1-800-CALL-ATT.
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