Omega's Best Americas Cup Watch, and a Titanium Zulu Time! (304)

Published on Wed, 28 Aug 2024 09:25:21 -0700

Synopsis

In this episode of the 40 and 20 watch podcast, hosts Andrew and Everett discuss several new and interesting watch releases. They cover the Xeric NASA Artemis chronograph, the Far and Swit Retro Digital Mixtape watch, the Mido Ocean Star Decompression Timer, the Longines Spirit Zulu Time titanium model, and a special edition Tag Heuer Carrera chronograph. They also touch on an Omega America's Cup edition Seamaster and a Stova GMT chronograph. Outside of watches, they briefly discuss Everett's role as an arbitrator and Andrew's thoughts on a new Walking Dead spinoff series. Everett also shares his new hobby of collecting vintage golf-style hats.

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Andrew	Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett	Muted. I am terrific. I've got very little to complain about. Um, yeah. Yeah. Uh, watched some, entertaining movies this week. It's kind of the kids last last couple of weeks before school starts again. So we've just been hanging out, man, having fun. It's been good. I kind of like this time, this end of the year, end of the summer.
Andrew	Yes.
Everett	Yeah, it's good. Oh, also, I am arbitrating a case right now where I'm the arbitrator. Oh, like Sort of like the judge. It's not. Do you insist on being called the arbiter? I, I don't, I don't. Uh, in fact, I just say you can call me Everett. Uh, that's not as fun as it could be, but I had to issue my first like formal written opinion today. And it was like, y'all suck. It was pretty cool, man. It was like, it's like kind of powerful, but like in that scary way, like, Oh gosh, How did I end up in this position and making some case law today? Well, of course, there's I'm not making any case law, but I mean, you hope not. It's a weird it's a weird feeling. So, yeah, that's it. That's interesting. That's a cool, a cool accomplishment.
Andrew	Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. Like a professional achievement.
Everett	Yeah. The achievement unlocked. Issue your first ruling, your first written decision. Hopefully it was a good one. You know, it's hard, right? Because it's like, There are going to be winners and losers here. Like this is not this. There are winners and losers.
Andrew	And you determine it. Whereas you're typically fighting to be the winner.
Everett	That's right. Yeah. That's right. Like, and everybody's like feeling what I feel like, which is you should see this my way. And it's like, well, that's a good argument. And I do kind of understand what you're talking about, but also no. Did you get a gavel? I don't know. There's none of that. It's an arbitration. So it's really, really informal, but it's super interesting.
Andrew	The more you describe it, the more disappointing it is. Yeah. No one calls you the arbiter. You don't get to wear a wig. There's no gavel.
Everett	Yeah, certainly. It's not what you might imagine. It's not what you might imagine.
Andrew	Is any of it happening in person or is it all via email?
Everett	It depends on the case. This one's all completely via Zoom.
Andrew	Well, at least there's some kind of interaction there.
Everett	The hearing, so we'll actually have a hearing in September and that will be in person. That's going to be a three-day hearing that I will preside over.
Andrew	Wow.
Everett	Which is going to be crazy. Yeah.
Andrew	The Honorable R. Everett Meadows presiding.
Everett	Yeah, not the Honorable, actually. There is a distinction there. I'm dishonorable.
Andrew	Hmm. Not there yet.
Everett	Yeah. Uh, and probably never. I'd make a lot more money as an arbitrator than a judge makes.
Andrew	Yeah. But then you're not a judge. People don't call you your honor. Yeah.
Everett	I don't care about that. Like I need a new golf irons, baby.
Andrew	Andrew, how are you? I am also good. I'm enjoying this kind of wind down to summer. It hasn't been so hot. We had some great storms roll through last week, which was really cool. That's cool. Um, It's like still 70 degrees and pissing rain. It felt very, uh, very Southern. Um, one of my coworkers is from Hawaii and was like, dude, I run around in board shorts in this kind of weather. I was like, yeah, this, this feels about right. Uh, older kids at camp this week. So we're down to just one kid.
Everett	Life is a lot quieter. Is Calvin Loven being the, the only child?
Andrew	I think he, he kind of misses Mark. Uh, so he's like a little bit sad, but is thoroughly enjoying being the center of attention all the time. Uh, and we've seen some behavioral improvements, like he's not acting out as much because he's not vying for attention. It's just his by default, which is, uh, noteworthy. Uh, but it's, it's crazy. So he's at camp all week and then the in-laws get him on Friday and they keep him until Tuesday. And then they're going camping on Wednesday. So it's like two, he has like two weeks of back to back constant activity before then having to go sit his ass back in the classroom. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be good for him. Yeah. I think so. I think so. It's a good, a good blowout, like a good final couple of weeks of summer. So, which went really fast. I feel like they just got out of school.
Everett	Yeah. Poor kids. Summers are so short these days.
Andrew	I'm, Oh, and I prefer summer break. I know a lot of parents are like, Oh God, summer break. But he's got all day care every day versus during the school year where school's over at two thirty. Well, now what the fuck do I do?
Everett	Yeah, well, I'm sure you'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. Andrew, I will suggest to you that we're not here to talk about. Arbitrations, you're wrong or summer camp, but rather We're here to talk about watches and we got I feel like I feel like we've got more watches than we could talk about. I mean, we could talk about all of these, but I realistically, I don't think we're going to wind up talking about all of these. So I think we just do. I think we just do a greatest hits. OK.
Andrew	I kind of like being able to pick and choose and save the ones I don't that like I kind of want to talk about, but it's like I'm not super excited about them for the end. Uh, I want to start with a, um, a watch that like really intrigued me and then put me down a rabbit hole into this brand. Are you familiar with the brand Xeric?
Everett	X E R I C. Yeah, I, I am 95% sure we've talked about the brand on the show before.
Andrew	I think we have. And I, I, they're a brand that I often forget about and I, and I don't know why because nothing about them is forgettable. Uh, so they have a new chronograph. in celebration of the NASA Artemis missions, Artemis being the new mission set for, uh, NASA's new era of moon missions, a manned lunar flight. And these are cool. I look at them. I saw it at first and I was like, Oh, well that's, I mean, I like it a lot, but what, what, what's this price tag going to be? So first we're going to spec it out. This is a shoe. It's using a VK63 movement, 40 millimeter case, so it's gonna be a little thick, but it's a chronograph and it's got a VK63, so I'm kind of okay with it. 400 bucks, so when I saw that price tag, I then got extra interested in it. There are a bunch of color ways. My personal favorite is the really like America's fuck silver dial, like dual color bezel, red three o'clock pusher, Blue four o'clock, four o'clock pusher for the chronograph movement. Great deep blue sub dials, the NASA logo at the 12 o'clock 430 date window. Like this is my shit. This is like, this is the peak of like 2016 to 2018 micro brand watches. Right? Like cool shit. 400 bucks. Come and get it.
Everett	Yeah, no, I think these are cool. I think In particular, I really love the tachymeter design on these. I like the second hand with the little. But what I will say is when I think of Zarek, I think of really kind of out there avant-garde designs. And this isn't that. No, it's not. This isn't that. This is a pretty straightforward 369 register Um, date window. I normally don't care about a date window. Don't love the execution here. I, I like a lot of what they've done here, but I also kind of hate a lot of what they've done here. So first they went with an unmolded and link a flat and link, which I, it's not flat hugs of the case, but it's unmolded. You don't have faux links carved in. I love it. I love it. I love it.
Andrew	Great decision.
Everett	Nobody does.
Andrew	No, everyone tries to integrate that last link in the end link.
Everett	There's a brand called Foster that did this once. I loved that watch. I like the pushers. They're sort of like an anodized, but then other things like, I'm sorry guys, you've taken it too far with the hour hand, right? People talk about penis hour hands. Like this is just actually a dick. Yeah, it is a dick. It's even got like the end is truncated.
Andrew	Yeah, it is. It doesn't come to a point. It's like a dive knife. It's a dick. Yeah. I'm cool with it. I like it.
Everett	Yeah. I love the bezel on this. I love the end link. I love the pushers, but it's.
Andrew	The hands leave me a little wanting, but the, the, I think the critiques here are maybe reasonable for a more expensive watch.
Everett	You get 400 bucks. You get there with 400 bucks. No, I'm with you.
Andrew	And the white dial is sick. I'm trying to find the whole color line. They've got a bunch. But when you go to the Zarek website, you have to wade through their like 9000 pages of weird stuff.
Everett	There's like a red with a yellow bezel, like a maroon with a yellow bezel. There's a murdered out black, like dark side of the moon colorway with NASA coloring. There's this like lovely sort of bronzy silver. There's the yellow and orange, like sort of a marigold colorway. White bezel, white dowel, white bezel and then silver dowel, blue bezel. These are pretty. Did I miss one?
Andrew	It's wholly unlike the rest of their collection. Yeah, it stands out in a notable way.
Everett	Just because it looks so simple and basic.
Andrew	It's not weird. Yeah. They've got a lot of weird shit.
Everett	Well, they've got a lot of like really sort of avant-garde watch design, I'd say, which is maybe a slightly nicer way to say weird.
Andrew	Okay. Uh, anyway, I, I, I like, I might pick one of these up. Um, cause they're fun, right? They're, they're cool. NASA branding. They're inexpensive. They're, they're running a Mecca courts movement.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, it's obviously a really neat watch. I think it's cool. I do have some critiques.
Andrew	I think they're all reasonable.
Everett	The hour hand's a penis.
Andrew	Yeah, it is.
Everett	It's the most phallic hour hand I've ever seen. Andrew, have you heard of this brand Far and Swit? Far and Swit. Recently. Okay, well, I had never heard of them. So this is a brand out of Chicago and they released a watch this week called the Retro Digital Mixtape Volume 1, which is a bit of a weird name, but it also like really, really works with the design of the watch. Well, it's just sort of not to bury the lead. This is a $38 1980s style digital watch. It is a 35 millimeter digital watch sort of F18 type of styling. It's got like a clear acrylic case. That's the TLDR on this. I guess part in sweat has been making watches for a number of years that they made a chronograph a few years back called the Vice Edition Chrono, which did not come across my desk. So I wasn't aware of it, but it's a pretty sweet looking watch. They definitely do this like 80s vibe. And this watch is no, no different. I said, would I say F18 earlier? F91W. It just popped into my head.
Andrew	I was like, I think you were trying to say F81 maybe. F91W.
Everett	Yeah. Anyway. Um, yeah. So, uh, what is this? It is a basic, as basic as they come digital watch, uh, they, they have these clear crystal acrylic cases. It's got a no name Chinese quartz movement. It's got three buttons. Um,
Andrew	It's it's also it's thirty five bucks, 60 bucks for the pair. And it's there's a there's a clear blue. There's a clear kind of gray because you can see into the end of the module. So it turns a little bit gray, a black strap, a clear strap. These are just fun.
Everett	They're just they're just fun. And it's got it's got a like an Indiglo style backlighting as opposed to a like a little Little light bulb. Yellow incandescent. Yeah.
Andrew	Well, I think it'd be really easy for a brand to do this and try to charge a hundred bucks.
Everett	Yeah, that's right.
Andrew	That's, I think that's the most attractive part. And this isn't a, this isn't a hundred dollar watch. People would pay a hundred dollars for it because it evokes all of that like eighties vibe and feel. They've got this over like a Pac-Man game and with a actual cassette tape next to it. I don't know where you would even find that anymore. Um, with all these vintage matchbox cars, like it just has all that feel in that design language. And it's because it's a case that we're so familiar with. The color scheme on the dial is great.
Everett	And it's thirty five bucks. And you know what? I don't think that this watch is I don't think that this watch is anything special, but I do think that it provides something a little fun. If you wanted a cheap banger that also like communicated to people that you wear something with a little bit of like, Oh yeah, it's a company out of Chicago, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I mean, I don't know. It, it sort of seems like it, it ticks a lot of potential collection boxes. It's cheap enough that you don't have to stress about it. It's cheap enough. You can buy it on whim. It's a good size. It's got 15 meters of water resistance. It's attractive. They're objectively attractive. Strap habit has a lot straps that actually are either designed to work with this or just do work with this?
Andrew	You know where there's a miss here? Tell me. They should have made the different cases, the A side and B side. Rather than on the dial, they're all A side.
Everett	That is really a smart thing that you just said, Andrew.
Andrew	And maybe the B side, they'll do something different, like they'll do the same case, but but do something different with a B-side, but I think that's a miss. When you're releasing a pair of watches.
Everett	God, that is a missed opportunity.
Andrew	It is, right? Yeah. You don't compliment me, so I feel like there's something mean about to follow. No, not at all.
Everett	That's a really smart idea.
Andrew	I agree with you 100%. I don't think that's true. You're setting me up for a trap right now. No, as I was looking at it, I was like, oh, one of these is going to be the B, because they've got an A sign on both of them. But I think it's a miss. And it's not a real miss. It's not a miss. It would have been a fun, extra little thing, right? Because this watch is all about fun and about, you know, this is the same price as an F91. The reason you get this over an F91 is because it's more fun, objectively, than an F91.
Everett	Yeah, I mean, the F91 has some intrigue.
Andrew	It does, but it's not this fun.
Everett	Okay. I hear what you're saying. There we go. We're back.
Andrew	Okay. Yeah, this is a fun release. Ooh, next up for me. I didn't read a whole lot about this watch. I just saw it. You're like, I'm going to talk. I wanted, I just, I want to talk about it because it's my favorite release. This brand has ever done the Mido ocean star decompression timer, 1961 limited edition in black PVD. And this thing is amazing. So this is the fourth release of its ocean star decompression timer series. Um, First in black PVD, the dial is, you know, we've talked about these decompression dials before and that's what it is. It's a decompression dial. It's color coded to be able to time your resurfacing during your dive so that you don't get the bends and die. I don't know how to read it. I wouldn't, I wouldn't trust myself reading one of these. Um, I would use a computer or a partner, um, but a smarter person than me. Nah, nah, that's a bridge too far for me. But the color scheme on it is terrific. It's yellow, green, kind of a salmon-y pink, blue, and then a black chapter ring in this all black PVD case. This thing is so cool looking. I absolutely was smitten by it. Specs on the case, I mean, it's their decompression watch, so it's going to be a big one. It's 40 and a half diameter, 47 lug to lug, 13.4 thick, 200 meters of water resistance, and it is great. Yeah. It's a, so it's a totally functioning, fun looking dive watch.
Everett	Is this updated at all from the prior versions of this watch?
Andrew	The colors are a little different. I think the lugs on it, if you if you scroll down to this article that I have on it, they have an original 60. So this is a re-release of a 60s edition, as the name suggests. The lugs are a little bit different. It looks like the crown. There's a edition of a crown guard. We don't have an overhanging bezel on this version. So there's some updates, right, to modernize it. I don't know they needed to because that original looks good. Yeah.
Everett	Yeah. Um, I really like that. They've done this like high gloss PVD. I really like a high gloss PVD. It's hard to execute a high gloss PVD. Um, because you have to have your certain, you know, PVD is like non filling. I understand. I think I actually, I think Steve Laughlin was talking to me about this one time, how, You know, if you, if you coat, like if you use Cerakote or paint on steel, the paint fills voids, but PVD doesn't do that. PVD will sink into any nook and cranny. So if you polish a watch or polish a piece of metal and you have, you know, any sort of faint polishing swirls or whatever, those will come through in the PVD. Not, not so with Cerakote, like you Cerakote something. And you have to get it really good, but not perfect. Not so with PVD. If there are any swirls, you can see those through. And this looks stunning. Obviously these are being professionally finished. So it's like almost not notable to say that, but it is a more expensive process because of how clean you have to get the surface. And of course, maybe these are full swirls.
Andrew	I don't know, but I assume they're not. The sample pieces that they have in their marketing photography don't. Oh, and here's the other exciting part. When we're talking about a very expensive PVD process, we're talking about you
Everett	last of these, or at least they're not going to make them again for a while.
Andrew	They're only making nineteen hundred and sixty one of them. That's right.
Everett	So and supposedly this is the last. So they've done this four years in a row. And supposedly this is the last year, at least for a while, that they're going to do these. They do tend to get snatched up pretty quick. So I think if you want one, maybe get one.
Andrew	It looks like it comes with the whole box, the the rubber, the leather and the Milanese.
Everett	A few notes, Andrew, I think you can predict one. Fonts. Excellent. Excellent. All around. I love the I'm going to say something that someone might get mad at me about here. But I love the Seiko style font on the bezel. It may not be Seiko style, but I think of that as like an SKX style font on the bezel. I think that that's terrific. I think it's underused. I think everybody's doing like weird sort of digital Rolex numbers on the bezel. Not so much anymore, but there was a time. I love the Seiko style font on the bezel. I love that you have dots all the way around. I love the 12, 3, 6, 9 on the inside of the decompression scale. I love the sort of bars set laterally to indicate the hours on the outside. I love the sapphire, big domed sapphire crystal. Um, Don't love the crown guards could do without those, but I know those are honest and faithful. Um, yeah, those are my notes.
Andrew	I think it's a cool release and I think it's a, it's a really well executed limited edition. Yeah.
Everett	The black PVD is the black PVD is terrific. You know, I take it back. I'm looking at an original right now. No stupid crown guards.
Andrew	I don't know if it's, if there aren't crown guards or if it's because the bezel is overhanging it. I hadn't, I didn't take the time to find like multi, angles of the of the original. So I just didn't and I'm not sorry. But we also that I like that overhanging bezel. I think that they should have held that in this design.
Everett	Yeah, no, it's it's a good look. It's a good look. It works for some watches others. No, no, no crown guards. Nope, no crown guards. No crown guards. Um, you know, whatever. These are, these are little things. Sometimes you want a crown guard. I do like the crown guards better on this. Oh, now, now looking in comparison, I think they've done a better job with the crown guards on this than they have on some of the past.
Andrew	I agree. The 2020 crown guard was kind of goofy.
Everett	Yeah. Well, it's sort of like almost like, um, It's sort of almost like a Monin crown guard, but not. I like this better.
Andrew	I like this better. I would. I mean, I know that this is a rerelease, but just give me an asymmetric case. I don't need a crown guard. Just make my case bigger.
Everett	Yeah. Cool. Cool. Do I have to do a watch now? You do. Oh, is that how this goes? Oh, boy, Andrew. Oh, gosh. Oh, I think I need to get that before you get it. I kind of want to talk about that, but you're not going to talk about it. OK. Ha ha. Longine. Oh, Longine. Man, I can't. Slurper. Longine, hey. This spirit collection. specifically the Zulu time. This thing is something else. There are a couple things I don't love about this watch.
Andrew	It has... Well, you should mention that the Spirit Collection has just added a new member.
Everett	Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you're right. I'm doing this poorly. I'm doing this poorly. Longines adds to its spirit collection led by the titanium Zulu Time 39. That's the headline from Hodinkee that we're going to link. I just read their their headline. Thanks, Tony. So the Zulu Time 39 came out last year. It was a hit. They did it again, this time in titanium.
Everett	OK, I'm telling you what's happening, people at home. Sometimes you got to give me a little bit more time. Uh, grade five titanium. I don't actually know the grade five is any better than grade two titanium. Maybe it's like, maybe this, I don't know, Andrew, you know, I have a really good idea. We should get a metallurgist on this show.
Andrew	It's almost like we've talked about this before.
Everett	Um, oh, okay. So, so a couple of things I don't like, uh, this has a 37 millimeter and link on each side making for once you add to the dial, the total, lug-to-lug length winds up being like 145 millimeters. I'm making those numbers up, but holy shit, the male end links on this thing are gigantic. And they're just as big in person. Like, you know, sometimes people say, oh, that's a big dimension, but it wears really well. I'm sure this wears fine, but those end links are fucking huge.
Andrew	We just complained about this, about those end links on a different release a couple of weeks ago. They're huge.
Everett	Yeah. They're huge. Okay. Uh, it's 13 and a half. It's a GMT. That's fine. That's fine. Um, yeah, maybe that's all I don't like.
Andrew	Google AI has provided an answer on grade two versus grade five titanium. Oh, tell me. Grade two is commercially pure titanium, according to the AI overview from the Google search. Grade five is an alloy of titanium, aluminum, and vanadium. Stronger, more scratch resistant. Did you just say aluminum? Yeah. Cause I knew I was going to say the third one wrong. So I just, I figured I'd, I'd lean into that. Um, more scratch resistant, better strength, strength to weight ratio, uh, more frequent. And it's like the Google knows I was asking about watches. Cause it says grade five is typically used in higher end watches. Um, It's also used in aerospace, medical and chemical processing. Yeah.
Everett	I'm, I'm not sure that it actually provides benefits and watches. I think that grade two actually has some benefits versus grade five, just in terms of durability and the way it wears. But I, again, I don't know, man.
Andrew	Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I think, I think I've never seen grade two and grade five side by side to know if there's an actual visual difference in, in the way you're like the way it's treated and it's finishing. but having an alloy specifically designed to be stronger, more corrosion resistant, this seems to be a benefit, but pure titanium is, seems also just fine to me.
Everett	I mean, it is, it's titanium. It's awesome. It's going to be awesome.
Andrew	It's going to be light. This thing is going to wear big and feel like nothing.
Everett	And it's going to have that like sort of dark, uh, that sort of dark, it's got gilt Um, it's a lunging spirit. So you've got these five stars. I want to read Tony's Tony trainers, uh, a line from his article. Cause it cracked me up. Um, he says, I know that the five stars offer a link to the past long jeans models, but I also know that it looks like this watch has an Uber rating. Oh, you know what? That actually might be a, you might be quoting James Stacy, uh, which that's a pretty funny line. Uh, I had never thought about that. I know they're a little bit controversial. I think they look killer. Um, this, come on, we've got a cost certified Longine L844, which I think that's an Edo movement. Um, it's a flyer GMT, uh, meaning it gives priority to the, to the adjustment on the main hour hand. Uh, it's not cheap. It's $42.75. They also added a couple of flyback chronographs, which are green and maroon. The green is lovely. The maroon brown, maybe I wouldn't call it maroon.
Andrew	That's brown, brown, maybe espresso, maybe.
Everett	Yeah, whatever. I'm fine with it. I'm fine with both of these. I don't really care about them. They're sixty five hundred bucks. But the titanium spirit Zulu time. Oh boy. Yeah, I'm here for that. Oh boy. Yeah, I'm here for it. Yeah, it's a good price. It's a high end watch. You know, maybe not like a luxury high end, but this is still an incredibly high quality watch. I like it better than the steel with the green bezel, although I love that watch. I like this one better. It's all black. It's this is just killer. This is killer. It's killer. I really wish it had female. Yeah.
Andrew	On a strap, though, this thing would be Money.
Everett	What kind of commie puts their. GMT sport watch on a strap, commie, I tell you.
Andrew	OK. Oh, I want to talk about something briefly. We have a. Special edition, why did this? There we go. A special edition Tag Heuer Carrera Chronograph Seafarer with Hodinke collaboration. And this, I think, is my absolute favorite Hodinkee collaboration to come out of their collaborative endeavors. It's got all the colors that I want. It's such a good watch to choose. The Seafarer is, I think, maybe a really unsung hero of chronographs. Yeah, I'm with you. And it's just great. This feels every bit of the 60s with the colorway, with just the case design. They stay, they stayed really true to like what this is. And obviously it's a Houdini collaboration. So we know we're really just getting color changes, a hundred meters of water resistance, 42 millimeter case, 22 millimeter lug width. And it's just good. This, this is, if you are on a boat, you should be wearing this watch. Right. Fuck the Yachtmaster.
Everett	This is the watch. You know, it's a little hard to, it's a little hard to say, you know, you should be doing this or that, but I'm kind of with you. I mean, this thing is just, holy crap. Yeah. Yeah, it looks yeah, it looks every bit the part of a boat that you'd need. It's kind of big. Have you have you seen any of the pictures of this thing? Yeah, they're a little big for it. Forty two with 22 millimeter lugs. The model in these pictures may be a dainty person is possible or it has a dainty wrist. But this thing looks this thing looks giant.
Andrew	Yeah, it looks big. But I love it. Yeah, they're long lugs, too. I think that's maybe part of the issue is that the lugs are long.
Everett	What's the lug to lug on this?
Andrew	Do we have a lug is we don't have a lug to lug. I didn't look up a lug to lug, but that doesn't mean that doesn't exist. It's every bit of 50.
Everett	Yeah. Got it. Got to be. And this is so Abercrombie and Fitch. This is like a remake of an Abercrombie and Fitch.
Andrew	I don't know that it seemed like there was a second article attached to this article.
Everett	No, I think that this is actually designed after this is actually designed after an Abercrombie and Fitch seafarer reference.
Andrew	Oh, there it is. Yeah.
Everett	Yeah. Which is neat, which is neat. You know, Abercrombie and Fitch, uh, obviously sort of kind of a shopping mall brand that had a moment in the 90s and early 2000s. And a lot of people my age know it from that. But Abercrombie & Fitch back in the day was a really legitimate sort of high end Gucci sporting goods brand. And they had their they have legit watches. If you can find Abercrombie & Fitch watches, they're almost all dope.
Andrew	It's got a in the set, the nine o'clock sub dial title chart. moon phases, like all kinds of hidden functionality in this.
Everett	Yeah. Glass box case. Yeah. 48.6. Did you say that? That's the lug to lug. I bet it wears fine at 48.6. That's fine.
Andrew	That's a good looking watch. I didn't find a price tag.
Everett	And it's got, uh, this tide indicator. which has a kind of an interesting pusher on the left side of the case, um, allowing for adjustment of a tiny indicator at nine o'clock. I don't know exactly how that works. It might be something you'd have to like play with to understand it, but there's essentially a tide indicator that indicates low tide and high tide, and you can, reset it with a perhaps a bit of a I don't know. It's a little big. I think that's the one part of this watch that I'm like, it's not available right now. Yeah. They might've sold out. They only made a thousand of them. 968 of them.
Andrew	So either way, it's cool. It's a cool release. I think one of my favorite collaborations they've done.
Everett	Uh, Andrew, I sent you an article. It's in French.
Andrew	It was in French, but my phone took the liberty.
Everett	There is a translation. Um, yeah. And now I can't find, no, I can't figure out how I translated it. Um, and I, I closed mine. Hold on. I'll get there. I'm sending it to you. Yeah, but it, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't help.
Andrew	It'll it'll automatically translate it.
Everett	OK, well, mine didn't automatic. Oh, here we go. I got it from from OK on Pettit or a lodger. There'll be a link in the show notes. So Jacques Bianchi introduced the JB 200 via Kickstarter a few years ago. This is a watch from the this is a skin diver watch hailing from uh the 60s I believe that had been dead for many years Jacques Bianchi brought it back a few years back they sold out a lot of them and then they reintroduced them they sold out a lot of them and they reintroduced them and they sold a lot of them uh and and and so on and so forth uh these are noted by the the presence of a sort of conspicuous and maybe not even a sort of conspicuous, uh, a very conspicuous, conspicuous scuba Steve on the dial. I don't know if that's the official name or not, but that's what I'm calling him. And a, a modern case. These have up to now all been destro cases, meaning crown on left. Jacques Beyonce, Jacques Bianchi made, Watches for the French Navy in the 80s and 90s based in Marseille. These French skin divers have just been incredibly popular. Everybody wants them. I said 60s, it's 80s. I thought that was older than that. They've done a bunch of collaborations for Tello Revolution. In 24, they're doing another collaboration with Marigreffe. I don't know what that is, but it is a famous building in Marseille. And it's actually a collaboration with the National Institute of Geographical and Forest Information of France. And it celebrates the Marigreffe, a building set up in 1883 and nestled on the Kennedy Cornice in Marseille. The historic monument measures, in particular, the sea level. And this watch is an homage to that. It is two things. One, it is notable in that it's not a Destro. We've got a right hand crown here. Finally. We've got a right hand crown here and it doesn't have Scuba Steve on the dial. Bummer.
Andrew	You know, AM Diver doesn't have any more Scuba Steve Boktoks.
Everett	Yeah, I know. I should have pulled the trigger on that. You should have. You should have. Um, so this actually, the dial actually is a topo dial, which topo has been kind of a, a popular design in, in knives, but this is actually a topo design that means something. This is the topographic sort of high low of the area of Marigraf, which Marigraf uses to measure sea level. So it's neat. It's neat. Also it's blue.
Andrew	Which is your favorite?
Everett	It's neat, and it's blue. No, black is my favorite, but blue is very pretty. This is pretty. It's cool. I like it. Can you get them? I have no clue. Oh, also it doesn't have an NH35. It's got a Soprod PO24, which is, I believe, a 2824 clone. It's going to be a little thinner. It's going to be nice. They're 890 euro, which includes that. They're available for pre-order. from Wednesday, August 21st, which if you're listening to this is yesterday, if you're listening to this on release day, uh, deliveries don't start till September. So I don't know how many of these you're making. Uh, I don't know if you can just get one or if they're going to say no more. I don't know how hard they're going to be to get 42 millimeters, 12, six thin, thin, now that they're using a better movement. And they're about a thousand pounds. This is terrific. I love it. If you've been looking to get one of these, don't like Destro, this might be a great option.
Andrew	I like the Destro. Well, it's because you're a Southpaw. Yeah. I just like them because they're a little different. How are we looking on time here?
Everett	You know, I think we can probably get two more watches. Yeah, we can. Um.
Andrew	Oh. Stova. Varus GMT Chrono Black Forest Limited. That was the one I was gonna pick. This thing is terrific. Going to right to size, 41 millimeter case, 14 7 millimeters high, 50.2 lug to lug. So it's big, but it's Stova, so you expect that. We have a value 7754 movement. Here's here's the real problem. They're only making 10. They're only 3000 bucks, but what this is is a stripped down, really cleverly designed. Chronograph GMT with a single sub dial at the. 12 o'clock. Your external GMT ring on the non-rotating bezel that's kind of etched onto the it's a beveled bezel it's real thin so it's engraved into the sides of this all pvd i don't pvd or dlc it you know it doesn't dlc coated case it's it's every bit of the stova minimalist design with a ton of functionality it looks great
Everett	And you're never going to see one in person. It's like a highly modern. Well, I do think you can get these. Um, but I don't think you can get the PVD. I don't think you're going to be able to get the PVD. Maybe I don't know. Um, Stove has done a really cool thing with this watch. Uh, it, it very much looks like a flying instrument, but it also very much looks modern. And with the way they've integrated this movement, this GMT chronograph movement, uh, I mean, this is a pretty clever watch. I have to admit, I don't like it, uh, but I think it's a pretty clever watch. And I think that if you're in the market for sort of a big, but not too big instrument instrument. Yeah. Um, this is pretty, it's pretty cool. Stove is a really cool company. Uh, this isn't outrageously expensive. I mean, look, it's a lot of money, but, uh, that's Stove of money though.
Andrew	Right? This isn't crazy priced for, You know, for a 10-piece run, I'd expect to see a much higher dollar sign from Stova.
Everett	Yeah, well, $77.50, I don't know how much you can charge for a $77.50, but yeah, are these available still? Did they sell these out already? I think, I think, if you're, yeah, let me see. I don't see an option to purchase on the website. So there isn't. I must, I must imagine that these have already sold out. Um, yeah, it says notify when this item is available. So, uh, never again, pretty, pretty clever watch though. Not one we've talked about on the show, but I actually, I think, I might be willing to say this watch is just cool. It is a cool watch. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Andrew, that is what I was going to talk about. And gotcha, bitch. I'm not going to talk about it. Instead, I will talk about something else. I've got one, two, three, and I have to pick one. We kind of left. I know which one I want you to pick. We had so many watches to talk about. And we're like, yeah, yeah. So here's the one I'm going to talk about. Omega. Oh, that's not the one I wanted you to pick. You want me to pick the Glashutte? No, the Bulova. Oh, yeah. No, sorry. Omega. Omega. Omega has this week introduced a America's Cup 37th edition race watch. Omega does these. In fact, if you Google Seamaster, America's Cup, you'll find a bunch of versions of this. I wouldn't normally talk about this because, look, it's the Seamaster, it's the America's Cup, blah, blah, blah. OK, and I don't actually care about yacht racing.
Andrew	It's not that much more expensive than the non-special editions. But this one looks good.
Everett	These watches so often look weird. This one has kind of a weird minutes hand. It's a gradient blue to red, which I, it's America's cup. Fine. But outside of that weird minute hand, this is just a watch that you will like and want to wear. And it's just a very, very attractive watch. It's got this really dark sort of denim ceramic Seamaster. I mean, it's a Seamaster with a wavedial, a really sort of crisp white wavedial, Seamaster hands, an America's Cup counterbalance. Yes. On the second hand. That's my favorite part. Sexy and not overwrought. It's so subtle. You would think it would be overwrought. It is not. And this lovely blue bezel. I mean, I would just Wear this watch. I would just wear this watch. Not caring about America's Cup or anything like that, because I don't. I would just wear this watch because it looks so fucking good.
Andrew	I really want one of these. Not this one specifically, but I really want a Seamaster.
Everett	So I don't think we need to talk about the Seamaster, right? It is what it is.
Andrew	It's a special edition and they executed it well. And they don't always. They don't always. Omega does not always land their special editions. They oftentimes get a little bit too excited about the thing they're trying to hype That is that is exactly right.
Everett	They get they get a little in the weeds. That is that is exactly right. And this is not that the everything just looks like a sea master dunning.
Andrew	I like that. What do you think of the mini? You do like it. I do like it. I think like it's easy. You find the hour hand. It's almost like a floating red tipped hand because then that blue washes away into or the red like washes away, it's almost like a stoplight hand.
Everett	So I do think that the hands, and maybe this is something, I'm not super familiar with Seamasters, so forgive me if this is just normal, but I think that the hands are polished and PVD coated, so they are mirror finish, so that blue and that red is a mirror finish, I believe, on the outside of the loomed sections, which is pretty trick. It's pretty trick. This is just an incredibly attractive watch. And despite being an Omega novelty limited edition celebration watch, which Omega is known for, they do this, they release a hundred and several thousand watches per year. Yeah. This is one that I'm like, yeah, I just wear that. I don't care about the thing. And I would just wear this watch because it's so good looking. Yeah, I agree completely. Andrew, that's it. I will give you one alibi if you'd like it.
Andrew	No, I'm okay skipping the other things. Well, we can't skip the other things, Andrew. I mean the other watches that I was considering talking about.
Everett	In that case, other things, what you got?
Andrew	I have another thing. So this morning, I've been kind of like right on the end of a cold. Last week I started to get sick and it was like one of those head colds that's just like unrelenting sinus pressure and sinus drip, and I just kind of felt like shit for a week. And this morning I was again starting to like just continuing to feel like shit and scrolling tiles like, well, fuck, I'm going to watch. And I saw a tile for actually I did this with two shows this week. But the one that I started, I kind of low hopes for is a Walking Dead spinoff, the Walking Dead Daryl Dixon. And the tagline said, it says like Norman Reedus reprises his role as Daryl Dixon with a new badass weapon, trying to find his way home from France. And I was like, well, I have questions. Okay. You got me. I started it and it's immediately it's walking dead right out of the gate. There's a lot of presumed not, nah, There's not a lot of presumed knowledge of the walking dead world, but there's presumed knowledge that we're like deep into zombie apocalypse. So if you start at thinking you're at the beginning of a zombie apocalypse, you're like, wow, those people are ruthless. Like, no, they're, they've just been living in, you know, the zombie land for the last 12 years. Um, so we had set 12 hours after or 12, 12 years after the beginning of, uh, the walking dead franchise.
Everett	Oh, I see. So they were well into it. Yeah.
Andrew	Yeah, so we're well into it. There's sort of like slow rolling why he's in France. I don't know if I were to watch any of the other like the prequels to it, if I would understand. I don't think I care. Right. It's The Walking Dead. It's got new good characters. It's it's kind of it's showing sort of a different country's take on what they did and kind of how they manage this zombie outbreak. You know, we get to see just more Walking Dead shit.
Everett	I've got some questions. So I read, I think the first 12 of the walking dead graphic novels. So that first, first volume. And then I think I watched five seasons of the show and then I was just like, I'm done.
Andrew	I got bored with it too. I'm bored. I didn't finish the first series.
Everett	Um, do, But all that to say, when I stopped watching The Walking Dead, they were very far away from intercontinental travel.
Andrew	Intercontinental travel seemed accidental.
Everett	OK.
Andrew	OK. He didn't mean to be where he was and didn't and clearly didn't know where he was when he landed on a beach.
Everett	Oh, interesting. OK. Yeah. OK. That is OK.
Andrew	Right. And they're slow rolling out the, the, the what?
Everett	There is some intrigue to that question that I've just posed to you.
Andrew	Okay. And I've been trying, like, I want to fill some knowledge gaps. Like, is this because the show wants me to not know yet? Or is it because I don't know because I haven't watched the Delta of television in that, in that period. So I've been kind of carefully trying to fill holes. And a lot of the holes seem to be intentional for the story to unroll. in this spinoff series. But it's good. It's like the characters are good. The the acting is good. We're getting there. They're doing a really good job with like flashback telling the story, like building good character arcs. And I mean, it's The Walking Dead, but everyone's got a French accent. They were polite enough to not not subtitle all of it. OK, yeah, yeah, it's fun. I mean, it's The Walking Dead, right? Like, I will probably watch one season of the two. and again, be over it. Cause it's kind of a, it's kind of tedious, right? Like super tedious, which is why I didn't finish the original show, but it's fun to watch, you know, new characters, new idea, kind of a new story. And then it's just going to get boring.
Everett	Like, yeah, well, no, no kid. Right.
Andrew	That's that's the sixth, uh, walking dead television series.
Everett	Is that right?
Andrew	Yeah. I was aware of two up until this point.
Everett	Yeah, well, and you said there are two seasons, then I've never even heard of it.
Andrew	So it's obviously not. Yeah, it came out two years ago, maybe, what year was it?
Everett	It's obviously not been a huge blockbuster success.
Andrew	Oh, so it came out in September of last year. So September of 23.
Everett	So it's in its, so they just sort of started the second season there. Yeah. Okay. Well, uh, I'm probably willing to give it a try, Andrew, based on your recommendation.
Andrew	It's enjoyable, right? And if you, if you enjoy it at the beginning of The Walking Dead, you're going to enjoy any portion of that universe. Sure, sure, sure. Cool. I like it. There's another show that I'm not ready to talk about that I think will maybe be next week's other thing. The View? Obviously. Andrew. He's got my number, man.
Everett	I have another thing. Do me. I'm going to be, this one's a little obscure because it's not a thing. Most often is a thing you can link to today. You can't link to it. I mean, maybe you'll figure something out. I have a bit of a new, I have a bit of a new hobby. It's a weird one though. Weird. I have started searching for and buying.
Andrew	If you say vintage golf equipment, I will kick you. Retro hats.
Everett	Okay. Retro hats. Um, I would say you could call these golf style hats because they're, they're notable in that they all at this point have a sort of a high crown. Many of them have a rope, a rope, although not exclusively. And I'm having a lot of fun with it. It's a really fun, it's a, it's a fun thing to do because A, it's cheap. Most of the time when you find a hat that you're like, yep, that's a good one for me. It is between 15 and 30 bucks most of the time shipped. They're always sort of really obscure like I like that but maybe nobody else would like that and so they're not like in high demand. Sometimes they're more expensive if I find them and I'm like oh I kind of want that. You know maybe a hundred bucks because it's something commemorating something that's but by and large the hats I'm buying are cheap. I'm today wearing an Easy Go Hat from the 1980s. Easy Go is... It looks like it was never worn. It was brand new. New with tags. It is definitely old though. The leather on the back is like chippy and cracky. I might have to replace it, which is fine. But EasyGo is, if you don't know, the brand of almost every golf cart you've ever seen or been in. EasyGo was the company that makes golf carts. And so it is a really clever hat to wear when you go golfing because everybody's got a Titleist hat or a, you know, a TaylorMade or a Tiger Woods hat or, or whatever. Nobody has an EasyGo hat. Just you.
Andrew	And it's just- Even, even easy-go executives don't wear easy-go branded clothing.
Everett	The 70-year-old guy at the clubhouse that I played at last weekend was like, that is a terrific hat. And I was like, yes! Nailed it. Nailed it. I bought a, it will not surprise you that this was a yellow hat when you find out what it is, but I bought a yellow, I don't have this one yet, it's coming in. a yellow French's mustard hat. It's yellow with just the French's banner on the front. Uh, high crown. That one doesn't have a rope, but, uh, I might actually see if I can add a rope to it because it needs a rope. Uh, probably a red one, but maybe white. We'll see what happens. Um, yes, Andrew. I love finding these like, like little consumerism. hobbies that don't cost a lot of money and that, you know, you can go through eBay.
Andrew	If you search vintage golf hat, you can go through eBay and just find, I mean, there's a lot of like, you could even rabbit hole that and like find a defunct, uh, like golf brands and search like, Oh, this brand has been dead 30 years, this brand's hat. And I'm sure they're all brand new, like brand new packaging tags on them still have the sticker on it. Yes.
Everett	Yes. like Ram or, you know, so like you said, some of these defunct brands, absolutely you can. Uh, it's pretty terrific. I'm having a lot of fun with it. It is definitely a hipster act.
Andrew	Um, but it's highbrow hipster shit. It's like, like I'm wearing a Carhartt beanie is, is some hipster shit. Cause that's what everyone else is doing. It's like, no, no, no, no. Let me, let me tell you about this brand.
Everett	Let me tell you about easy go. Yeah. Have you heard of French's mustard? Yeah.
Andrew	A little hipster-y on the French's mustard. Yeah, but you know what?
Everett	You got a mustache. You can do it. Also pretty fucking fun. Like, it's just fun. I love hats, by the way. I love hats. Okay. I wear a hat if I'm not working pretty much all of the time. Um, and so it's fun. I, you know, I probably have what 60 or 70 hats in my bedroom. My wife loves it. Loves it. Every time I come home with a new hat, she's like, is that a new hat? I'm like, no.
Andrew	And she's like, yeah, it is. No, it's not. You just haven't seen it before. It was on the bottom of the pile. You need to get one of those like expandable pegboard things for your wall.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	You know exactly what I'm talking about. And even as I'm describing it, everyone knows exactly what I'm saying, even though that is not what they're called.
Everett	I do need something. I'm not sure that's it. I do know what you're talking about, but I do need some, I actually do need some hat storage. Yeah.
Andrew	Yeah. I got one for our closet that wouldn't nearly support your, uh, your collection, but it's, it's just a bar with hooks on it. Right. And then for non snapbacks, it's got little clips so you can clip onto the pro fits.
Everett	And it's like watch cases, right? Like if you, if you go on eBay or whatever, you can buy a watch box, but sorry, I'm going to need six, like eight, eight doesn't do it for me. That does it for most people, but eight hats, eight watches, it's not going to cut it. No, I need more.
Andrew	Yeah, I want, I want a watch box to grow into, right? Which means I need like a 50, like, I just need to make one.
Everett	Yeah. For me, it's like 80 is what I need to have a little room. So, uh, I do think I'm going to sell the farm and buy a watch, Andrew. Uh, I'm going to sell the farm. I think I'm going to do it.
Andrew	You've said this on numerous occasions.
Everett	No, no, it's happening. I really genuinely think it's happening.
Andrew	When you start sending watches to Clay, I'll believe you.
Everett	I am going to, I'm going to do it. I know what I'm going to buy too. I know what I'm going to buy in the recording. Uh, Andrew, you got anything else you want to add?
Andrew	No, I'm out of things, man.
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