Nivada Releases the Watch of the Year (So Far) (299)
Published on Wed, 17 Jul 2024 22:20:42 -0700
Synopsis
The podcast discusses new watch releases and other topics. They cover new models from Astor & Banks, Christopher Ward, Nevada Grenchen, Momentum, Pro-Tek, Doxa, and Laurier. Other topics include the new Beverly Hills Cop Netflix movie, Adidas CloudFoam shoes, and general commentary on the watches.
Andrew and Everett provide in-depth analysis of the new releases, discussing details like case size, movement, pricing, and their overall impressions. They also share personal anecdotes and opinions on various subjects.
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| Andrew | Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend, Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you? |
| Everett | Man, I'm doing great. It was like 95 today, and now we're in the middle of a thunderstorm, so that's weird. |
| Andrew | It's feeling very South today, very like Southern America. |
| Everett | I was thinking Midwest. I was thinking it feels very Midwest. |
| Andrew | Yeah, I guess. I mean, Mike's, I've never lived in the Midwest, but having lived in Virginia and Texas, this like 95 degree day turned into like 75 degree thunderstorm. It feels very familiar. |
| Everett | Yeah. Yeah. That's right. I mean, we really don't have lightning storms here in the West like this. They're in the North, super uncommon. Um, you know, while I was walking over it, there was, numerous bolts of lightning in the sky at any given time as like... Yeah, Sam and Mark are perched in the window watching. |
| Andrew | That was a huge one. |
| Everett | Pretty legit. Like for those of you in the Midwest or maybe you're in Madison because that's a place people live. I don't know why they sit there though. Yeah, I don't know if you guys can hear that, but we're getting big claps of thunder. Probably not. Yeah, really, really kind of fun. But weird, right? Like I played 18 holes today, it was beating down sun, super hot. We went to a baseball game. The boys had a baseball game tonight. The first inning, it was 93 degrees. By the end, it was in the 60s, blowing, gusting wind, and freezing. With lightning about to come. Uh, yeah, we, you know, this is very odd for the Pacific Northwest. I know a lot of you, this, you're like, yeah, that's Tuesday. |
| Andrew | That's summer. What do you, what is summer supposed to be like? No, this is unusual summer weather. And we know we've, we're on the tail end of like a big heat snap where we've been over 90 degrees for like the last two weeks. Uh, it's, it's not, um, it's been kind of an unusual start to summer here. |
| Everett | Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. uh i mean this is climate change uh andrew have you had the green apple white cloth no but i would like to green apple white cloth man i'll tell you if you haven't tried it you at home or you here sitting in the chair next to me if you haven't tried it try it it is so good because green apple is only good in beverage form sometimes candy but yeah but not not a solid It does White Claw real well. Green Apple and White Claw was a good marriage. |
| Andrew | It's been my... Why stop getting White Claw? Because you said it wasn't agreeing with you. So I started buying Topo for you. |
| Everett | I like the Topo better. White Claw does give me a headache. It does tend to give me... I think it's the malt. I think it's a little bit maltier. A little bit, yeah. But the Green Apple, it's been my go-to golf course drink. |
| Andrew | I'll get some. |
| Everett | Yeah, but I love the topos. Yeah, me too. No, I prefer the topos to White Claw generally, but the golf course doesn't have a topo. It just has White Claw. |
| Andrew | The fucking nerve. Yeah, we'll get some green apple up in here. |
| Everett | Andrew, my handicap also, I'm right now, I think 17 and I'm pretty sure I'm going to be 16 tomorrow. |
| Andrew | Getting there. Almost single digits. |
| Everett | quite, but I think I'm on the way. |
| Andrew | Yeah, I've been playing really, you know, seven strokes off. |
| Everett | I've been playing really well. Um, my short game, my short games coming around. I only had, uh, I only had, uh, let's see, 27 putts today, which is on 18. That's pretty good. |
| Andrew | Yeah. |
| Everett | Yeah. |
| Andrew | It's pretty good. So, I mean, it's not, But it's pretty good. I think it's pretty good. That's an improvement. Andrew, how are you doing? I am good. I, I'm, I'm right on the end of my weekend. I took a little nap today. I chilled. Today was my chill weekend day. Like usually Sunday and Monday end up doing stuff like just staying busy. But today was do very little and chill very lot. |
| Everett | Nice. Terrific. |
| Andrew | Yeah. Yes. |
| Everett | Yeah. That's nice. I like the days where, or I like the weekends where Saturday's kind of loaded up, and then Sunday's like, don't do shit. It's bad when it's the opposite. It's bad when Saturday you don't do anything, and then Sunday's like, go, go, go, and then you're like, aw. |
| Andrew | I have to go to work tomorrow. Yeah, no, I don't like that. |
| Everett | It's 9.45, we have to do the dishes, and I've got to go to work tomorrow. |
| Andrew | Yeah, but that was not my experience of the day. Today was about as chill as the day gets. Love that. |
| Everett | Love that. Well, we're not here to talk about handicaps or weekends or anything of the sort. Rather, we're here to talk about watches, and we got some watches to talk about. I admitted to you before we started that I'm a little disorganized, but I will say, this has been a week, man. |
| Andrew | There have been some things. We got some things. I was a little worried. Whenever we do a roundup, I'm always, especially when we do some consecutive roundups, I'm always concerned, like, are we going to have enough stuff? And we always, we've, we've never come up short on stuff because there's always stuff happening. And we always say this was an exciting week. And I believe that every week is an exciting week because we say it every week. This was perhaps more exciting than others though. |
| Everett | This was a big one. You know, I will say the one bad thing, Andrew, is that there is a ton of overlap between my watches. I'm just now looking at your list. Um, I don't know, I don't know that it's a hundred percent, but there's a lot of overlap. |
| Andrew | Uh, well, it makes sense. Cause the, the things that got us, got me excited kind of makes sense for the things that would get you excited as well. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Can I start? Yeah. Why don't you? I'm going to start. So our friend Andrew of Astor and Banks AP has a new launch with the Sea Ranger M2. And the Sea Ranger is one of my, the rain just stopped. Like as quickly as it came, it just, it was like, no, that was, that was sufficient. Uh, the Sea Ranger is terrific. Are you okay? Yeah, I did. I started looking at it and I was like, man, I really want to put my, put these on. So Sea Ranger M2 is a, I gotta turn the Wi-Fi off, twin stick, asymmetric case dive watch. For those of you who somehow don't know, Andrew Perez is the founder, owner of Astor & Fanks and does some terrific shit. I don't think he's ever made anything that I wasn't absolutely in love with. This is coming in four colorways. It is a, gosh, there's, he's got the color names in here. Black, blue, army green, and tobacco. |
| Everett | Tobacco, and it's a great, it's perfect. I mean, I think that there's like an FDE lean on this, but tobacco's perfect. |
| Andrew | Yeah, I think that's the right name for it. It's very, it's like worn leather. It's more like a tobacco pouch. Maybe not necessarily the tobacco within it, but it's that leather pouch grandpa had filled with his pipe tobacco. These are terrific. $13.95 I want to say. $13.95, available to order right now through Astro Ranks website. 40mm case, 12'5 tall, 45 lug to lug, 20-16 taper on these things, micro adjust, 300 meters of water resistance, anti-magnetic. I'm not sure why he includes that on the dial. Like what, if he's doing anything extra to get that anti-magnetism or if he's just highlighting that it is. |
| Everett | Yeah, but it's on the dial. I'm not sure. Yeah. I'm not sure. Let's see if we can, let's see if we can figure that out. Maybe we'll just have him come talk about it. Well, I, I think I actually talked to him recently and I was like, we got to get you back on. He was like, yeah. So this is a LeJou Pré G100, um, with, you know, the, the bumped up finishing. Um, let me see, you know, I don't see, I don't see anything on the website. Um, oh, soft iron plates for extra magnetic protection up to 20,000 whatever the figure is. |
| Andrew | Magnetics. Oh, and he's using the Nodex on this bracelet. Yeah. And his bracelets are money. I think incorporation of the Nodex on that is dope. |
| Everett | You know, Astor & Banks has always been, I think for me, one of the superior watches in this space in terms of finishing. I think it's always been up there with that sort of, like, next level of watch. I would put Astro Banks above, you know, Notice, for instance. And they're more expensive, right? So you're paying more, but I would say closer and finishing to, like, Raven, but more refined. Andrew's got, like, a military background, so his watches all have that, like, rugged, utilitarian, military vibe. This one, I would say, this isn't |
| Andrew | They play really close to the Monta sandbox, if not in. Yeah. Really close. |
| Everett | Yeah. Okay. They're not there. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think that that's a little lofty, but I think you're right. They're sort of in that in-between space. There's sort of a bit of a dead zone in between, you know, your $500 micro brands and Monta, you know, I think I would compare them closely to Christopher Ward in terms of finishing. That's, that's kind of where my head goes. So I really like this watch. It is, it is a lot of money. I, I, I have to imagine that that price tag 1400 bucks was a little surprising to me. I've known this was coming for a while. I saw pictures of this actually quite a while ago. Um, I was a little surprised by the price. I have to imagine that the movement is taking a lot of that space. |
| Andrew | I think so too. And when I think about his previous releases, they're in the $700 to $900 zone. So if we think about just actual cost of production increases, a movement upgrade, a $500 increase from previous iterations, makes sense. |
| Everett | Oh yeah. No, I don't think it's, I don't think it's crazy, but I do think it's big. It's a big price. So, um, Oh boy. What? Sorry, Andrew, you're going to, you're going to be mad at me, but I'm going to talk about, I want to talk about the C65, uh, compressor elite. Um, you know, a few years ago, Christopher Ward, introduced a super compressor and and there have been many many many words written about this uh and and videos made and we've talked about it on our show in the past but there is a style of watch that people refer to as a compressor case or a super compressor case now you you might even say the sea ranger m2 maybe a super compressor case but But it's not. But it's not a super compressor. So a super compressor was, if you're not in the know, was a very specific type of watch produced by a case produced by EPSA, right? In the 70s, perhaps the 60s. And it tensions the case with a spring. So there's a spring inside of the case. that creates water resistance by way of tension. But that technology had kind of died in the quartz crisis. You know, all these companies were folding and that technology just kind of died. The blueprints and the engineering for that watch just kind of went away. And so you're getting a lot of really pretty run-of-the-mill dive watches with standard gasket compression. |
| Andrew | It kind of died because gasket compression sort of became more realistic, a lot more practical, much easier to build, just as functional. |
| Everett | Yeah, that's right. It was That's right, Andrew. That's a really good point. It became an obsolete technology. That's a really good point. There, it was an obsolete technology. And so, um, but. |
| Andrew | It's so cool. |
| Everett | A mechanical watch is obsolete technology. So what Christopher Ward did is, what, three years ago, four years ago, they essentially re-engineered an actual EPSA super compressor. They backwards engineered this thing. with a compression ring, with counter pressure to the case back, essentially giving you a better gasket seal. And really, they were the only ones who had done this. This is like from scratch, backwards engineering, a dead technology. And it's really terrific, right? It is a doodad, and it's a really terrific doodad. And they do a good job. They show you sort of the mechanics, |
| Andrew | Which is cool, right? This is super novelty, like space view kind of watch. Like, hey, here's the movement. And then turns out you like it without the dial because the movement looks so cool. |
| Everett | Yeah. So they have reintroduced this. They have introduced a new version with, I'm going to say, Andrew, a bit more bold dial. So the original C-65 super compressors were attractive and flashy and colorful. We've got more going on here. This is a busier dial and you may or may not like it. I personally am a huge fan of these. We've got just more going on in the dial than I can even break down. But we've got, well, There's a lot going on here. So I want you to look at this thing. But you've got these concentric rings, and you've got dark blues and light blues and oranges. The color scheme is really similar, but there's a more involved decompression scale on this thing than you have in that original super compressor. So decompression scales are pretty simple, but you have to figure out how to do it. And this measures both meters and feet. |
| Andrew | Which is good, because if you confuse those while you're on the way up, it could get bad. |
| Everett | And we've got like a, I don't know, this handset doesn't, to me, feel like Christopher Ward, but I really like it. I'm going to make one criticism. I hate all the fonts. I hate them all. |
| Andrew | You don't like most fonts. |
| Everett | No, I love most fonts. I love good fonts. |
| Andrew | I don't like bad fonts. Well, I don't know if I'd call these bad fonts, but I see why you don't like them. I do think that with all of the other things they should have gone with a, just a touch less, um, artistic font. |
| Everett | And so you're going to, you're going to pay for this. These are, uh, 1805 on the rubber. Um, 22 of the bracelet. either 1805, 1700, and these are euros. So 1800 euros or, really, 1800 euros on rubber, or with the bracelet, 1960. And this, Fratello's calling this a Bader bracelet. I think what that means is that it's that adjustable butterfly clasp, if I had to guess. I think you can get away with this watch on rubber. |
| Andrew | But you want the bracelet. I always want a bracelet. Christopher Ward makes good bracelets. I think that's right. Even when they were not tapered, but for a millimeter, they were still good. |
| Everett | I really like this. We've got a light catcher case, but it's a different light catcher case than any other light catcher case. We've got these great color details everywhere you look, a really good contrast of brush surfaces and polished surfaces. And just a terrific dial. I don't hate the fonts, but they're not my favorite font and it looks like a super compressor I mean this thing could might as well have been made in 1970 I could go for us just a slightly Thinner inner rotating bezel and give it a little more dial in there. |
| Andrew | It's a really small dial with how big that That rotating bezel is on the inside. |
| Everett | Yeah. No, I think that I think that's right. There's a lot of There's a lot going on. |
| Andrew | I'm okay with it, but I don't object to your... There's so much going on that the Christopher Ward twin flag logo is actually touching the handset. |
| Everett | It's... Yeah. Yeah, that's right. |
| Andrew | And it's a chronometer certified. |
| Everett | You can still go get the regular C65 super compressors, but... this is just gonna be a better watch tip to tail, right? If you like the aesthetics. |
| Andrew | Are they limited edition on these? |
| Everett | I don't believe so. I think that these are, I think that, so there's only one dial color, but I think that they are unlimited standard stock release. |
| Andrew | Nice. |
| Everett | Yeah, cost certified, automatic movement, light catcher case, really, really cool stuff. |
| Andrew | 150 meters of water resistance, that's all you need. |
| Everett | Yeah. What's the thickness on these? |
| Andrew | I just saw. They're going to be a little... 1375. A little robust, but that's sort of what we expect out of a watch like this. |
| Everett | Yeah. Well, and you get the crystals pretty domey and you've got a lot of depth to that dial too. So from the crystal to the dial, there's a lot of dimension there. Yeah, there's a lot of airspace. It's a chunky watch, but I think appropriately so. And this is the Seleta. It's an SW300 one, but it's a chronometer grade 300 one. I like. Yeah, I love it. |
| Andrew | Well, since we're talking about Christopher Ward, we have some new color releases for the 12. They're calling this the Ice Cream Collection. They're only making 200 of each of them. There's a blue, yellow, orange, and green. The names are a little bit more creative than that. They have Bealberry, Mint 38, Peach Solita, and Maiden Mango Head. I can't be super sure which of those colors apply to which actual color. You will have to figure that one out on your own. But all fun colorway releases. The 12 I think is a perfect platform to be doing some fun summery colors for this. I have to admit, when the 12 first came out, I was kind of ho-hummy about it. And the more I see it, the more it grows on me. |
| Everett | Andrew, have you handled the 12? I have not. They are really terrific. They're really terrific in the metal. |
| Andrew | I'm sure they are. Everything Christopher Ward does is, I've never touched a single Christopher Ward watch and been like, hmm, bummer. |
| Everett | And these are in 38. Yeah. These are in 38. 200 pieces per color, $12.75. Some fun summer color watches. Deliver expected late this month. Yeah. Yeah. Introduced at Windup this weekend. In Chicago. I forgot that that was this weekend. Momentum. |
| Andrew | Oh, interesting. |
| Everett | Momentum is making a 80s icon, bringing back an 80s icon. This is the Chronosport UDT built by Momentum. Now Chronosport, interesting brand. If you ever want to talk offline, you can let me know about Chronosport. If you want to talk about Chronosport offline, I have some information. I know some people that have a lot more information, but it is one of these brands that, you know, people are like, this is such a cool watch. This is such a cool watch. It's a shame. you know it's a zombie brand and and there have been a few different attempts to bring back chronosport um momentum owns the ip and they are now re-releasing a the what they call the chronosport udt um this is a 1980s legend of a watch um lots of movie appearances, um, lots of use by real people. Uh, it was a special operations, uh, watch. So, and, and I believe that Rambo wore one of these either in the original Rambo or Rambo two, I can't remember. Um, it was just a cool watch, right? So what we've got is an Annie Digi, um, you know, an and a digi dive watch sort of, uh, with Arnie vibes, right? Very Arnie vibes. Very Arnie vibes, but which, you know, clearly less, less prominent, but, you know, shared that same space at the time, at the time, uh, it is a modern shaped case. Uh, I think it's Rambo one. Okay. Uh, and, uh, this is great. It's a 200 meter, uh, water resistant screw down pushers, uh, Sapphire, fully modern version of this watch. Um, we do, the old ones had a Breitling movement or a movement that was being used by Breitling. These have a Seiko Epson. movement, which is appropriate. Seiko is making these movements, um, which I think we've got a solar charging second time zone, chronograph alarm and analog hands that sync with the digital time display. If you've ever owned an Anna, did you watch an older Anna? Did you watch, you know how big of a pain in the ass it is to sync the digital and that, you know, to keep the two hands synced, this has an automatically syncing function, which I think is really, really cool. |
| Andrew | It'd be nice to have that as a second. |
| Everett | So get, this is the best part of keeping mechanism. This is the best part. And, and, and did you, did you find a link for this? I can send you one. I have one. Yeah. 295 bucks on preorder. Right. 369 bucks is the retail price on these. What? This is cool. Dude, I'm, I'm into this. |
| Andrew | That's a crazy price just for the spec sheet. If we think about getting a decent Seiko movement, screw down crowns, Sapphire crystal, I feel like we should be pushing North of $400 at this point. |
| Everett | It feels to me like this is a, I mean, I would, I wouldn't bet an eye at four 50 or perhaps even 500 for this. I think at that price, you're sort of like, okay, do I really want this? But shit, at 295, I'm like, hmm, maybe you just buy this. I hate the- This on a manky would be so good. I hate the Momentum logo. Yeah. I hate, I hate the Momentum logo. I just do not like that logo at all. I didn't mind their older logo, but this new logo they're using just feels like hot freaking garbage to me. I think the hands on this also looked to me like they were stamped out of an aluminum can. That's where they saved money. Did you ever take chocolate and rub it on the bottom of an aluminum can so that it would get glossy? Chocolate? Yeah, you could take a little bit of milk chocolate and rub it on the bottom of a soda can and it would make it shiny. You never did that as a kid? I would eat the chocolate. |
| Andrew | I wasn't an idiot. |
| Everett | You didn't need it very much. It was just like a little like you just take your Hershey's and you rub it in there. And that was enough chocolate. And then you just rub it back and forth and it would make it shiny. Like a puffing compound. Anyway, these hands look to me... No, I was busy eating said chocolate. These hands look to me like it's like an aluminum can and they cut the hands out and then they use chocolate to make them shiny. |
| Andrew | Yeah, they're rough. Even in the photos, they have kind of like weird edges. But we're also talking about a sub $400 watch. Yeah. So you, I expect flaws like that. And I bet this is going to have a little bit of a cheap feel, even with a ceramic bezel and screw down crowns. It's going to, they're, they're, they're making money on this, which means that the build quality is going to be wanting. |
| Everett | There have been some corners cut. We can, we can be certain that there were some corners cut along the way. This is a fun release though. Yeah. And I love a Monon case. I really do think Monon case is We've seen a lot of modern-esque cases in the last handful of years, but, um, this feels to me like a good one. This feels to me like a good one. |
| Andrew | I concur. If you want a Rambo watch. Rambo, not a rainbow. Rambo. Yes. Um, Oh, I've got something. Uh, Doxa. is an intriguing brand to me because they have all of this legacy and history and this sort of unchanging catalog of watches with the occasional like big, big release, you know, I think the 200 T and now we have the, um, what's the one that just released the littler 300. |
| Everett | Is it 300T? No. No, no, no. Whatever. I know what you're talking about. |
| Andrew | They just released a little 300. Yes. But then they have this weird line of limited releases and this really interesting relationship with Clive Kessler. And we have a new 300T Shark Hunter limited edition Clive Kessler. And it is just like all of the other Clive Custler releases. I don't understand it. They have this sandblasted, faux-tined case with a kind of a map motif on the dial. And I don't get it. I hate it. |
| Everett | I don't get it. |
| Andrew | I liked the last Clive Kessler. I like some of their limited edition releases, but I don't, I don't understand the weird things that they're doing because they're so stoic, so consistent. We have nine colors. We have four watches. But then we're also going to do this weird one that maybe looks like you found it in a treasure chest, and it's got a map on the dial. I mean, they look cool, but they don't make sense to me. And they're $3,200. |
| Everett | I don't get it. What I will say about this watch, I like the fact that it's in black. I think that the original should have been in black. |
| Andrew | after that i'm i'm just over it i'm over it i don't want a watch that starts off looking looking so beat to shit looking like it got tied to a rope and sunk on a rock in the surf i don't want it i don't want it i don't like it i don't understand this this clive kessler line and and maybe maybe they'll stop because he's been dead now for four years so they're But I just, I don't get it. |
| Everett | Well, I mean, it makes, it makes a ton of sense. |
| Andrew | For his 93rd birthday? Wait two years. Wait, wait seven. Nothing about this release makes sense. |
| Everett | Yeah. |
| Andrew | It's not for me. Nothing about it makes sense. |
| Everett | Yeah. It just looks beat to shit, man. Yeah. So, Andrew, do you know what Pro-Tech watches are? |
| Andrew | Like Casio? |
| Everett | I don't know. No, not Pro-Trek. Oh, OK. Pro-Tech. Pro-T-E-K. So this brand is owned by a fellow named Barry Cohen, who is the original who is the founder of Luminox. Luminox, obviously famous sort of tactical, tactical even watches. He, I think at some point sold Luminox and was like, ah, but I still want to make these watches. You know, we see this occasionally. Protek introduced a watch called the 1210 a few years back, which you'd be forgiven for seeing this watch and saying, Oh, this is a Luminox. Um, four, 10, 12, 10, 1, 2, 1, 2, 1, 0 series. It's actually, there's the, the PT 1, 2, 1, 1 PT 1, 2, 1, 2 PT 1, 2, 1, 5 and PT 1, 2, 1, 6. So these were formerly quartz watches. Um, and they, they introduced these with an NH35 automatic just this week. And I think these are really cool. So did you find these, Andrew? |
| Andrew | I didn't. When I Googled them, I found skateboard helmets. Yeah. And then I found ballistic helmets. It's with a K. Oh, that'll... Yeah, I sent you a link. |
| Everett | Okay. So these are dialed for the U.S. Marine Corps. They're made from steel. They're unsurprisingly in DLC. They've got all of the things you'd want. Sapphire, AR coating, water resistance to 300 meters. |
| Andrew | They look bite proof too. If you're making them for Marines, that's an important feature. |
| Everett | They come with an MBR strap or a steel tube molded into the rubber or with steel tube molded into the rubber for durability, which Oh, that'd be an interesting... I wonder if it's... Here's the cool... Now, I don't know how much of this is marketing, or how much of this is real, but they have a... They're calling this Self-Powered ProGlow, which is obviously some sort of proprietary name, but it is a... 100X brighter than conventional lume. I don't know what conventional lume means in this context, but, but glows continuously for 20 years, 25 years without being charged. So like, so like tritium. |
| Andrew | It sounds like trit. |
| Everett | Yeah. But, but I think, I think quite a bit brighter than my understanding is that this is quite a bit brighter than tritium. Um, But then I read somewhere else that they're actually just tritium. So I don't know, is this like a special type of tritium or is it just tritium? And so maybe if you know, let us know. |
| Andrew | They don't look like tubes. They look like plots. |
| Everett | Well, if you look at the hands, you can see the dimension there. So it does look to me like it's some sort of tube. Again, I read that this is tritium, but the way ProTech markets this is a 25-year lume that's 100 times brighter than traditional lume. So I don't know. I don't know the answer. I don't love the logo, the ProTech logo, but it fits the vibe. I do like the dials. We've got kind of like a diamond plate dial, which at a distance I think looks like a waffle pattern. But as you get closer, it's a diamond plate. |
| Andrew | The 2001 has very Seamaster-y. |
| Everett | The quartz version? Yeah. Yeah. So $695 for an automatic, really pretty tactical. I mean, you've got to be looking for this type of watch to be interested in it. I think these are kind of terrific. And I like the fact that they're made by the former um lumetech owner i think this is kind of a fun watch and it's sort of come i was like wait what is that um i i actually think these look quite a bit better than i said lumetech luminox i i think these look quite a bit better than luminox too if you're asking me i'm not a huge fan of luminox's vibe and and i don't feel like i i feel like these are a little bit |
| Andrew | easier more stomachable for me yeah they're a touch more palatable because they're they're so clearly tactical intention you know having that dlc case a dlc bezel with kind of weird grippers these are kind of like brightling it's sort of a brightling ish yeah bezel with the dimension this is aspiring arms dealer as opposed to accomplished arms dealer um |
| Everett | 42 millimeter case. They've got to be pretty thick. I don't see the dimensions listed anywhere. |
| Andrew | When you look at the profile, though, these are every bit of 15. |
| Everett | Yeah. This is it's a big boy. |
| Andrew | But for this application, this is that's kind of the size you want. |
| Everett | 60 click bezel. I think these are great, man. I'm kind of into it. There's also a detail |
| Andrew | The color-matched crown is a thing for me. |
| Everett | That's right. The color-matched crown is a detail that I'm like, okay, I see you pro-tech. |
| Andrew | This wasn't just like a haphazard off the shelf thrown together and then thrown to market. |
| Everett | Yeah, no, absolutely not. This is a really cool watch. The fonts are a no for me. Sorry. As we've discussed, I hate fonts, or I love them. |
| Andrew | I just want Movado. |
| Everett | I want a diamond at the 12 o'clock and nothing else. It does. It does just look to me like it's tritium. So it could be. I think maybe it's just tritium. |
| Andrew | Some more research will be required. Yeah. Oh, it does say powered by Proglo Tritium Illumination coming in June. |
| Everett | Where does it say? Where does it say? On their website. Okay. Proglo Trit. Okay. Yeah. So if you go down, it says Swiss self-powered pro-glow illumination system is a hundred times brighter than conventional loom and glows continuously for 25... Just say it's fucking tritium. Maybe it's an improved tritium, I don't know. |
| Andrew | Or a proprietary pressurization of the trit tubes, I don't know. |
| Everett | Anyway, that's all I have to say about that. Okay, where are we at? Okay. Yeah, we're doing fine. We're doing good. |
| Andrew | Um, Oh, I'm going to talk about another, a brand that we've talked about a lot in recent history, the Nevada Grenchen Kronosport. Did we talk about this already? I feel like we did. I don't think so. Okay. So we ha it doesn't matter if we did, cause I'm, I'm willing to talk about it again. So the Nevada Grenchen Kronosport, they are re initially releasing. A prototype from the 1970s that was never released is now being released. So, original dial, same fella who made the Paul Newman Rolex dials, powered by a Valjoux 7750 movement. This is as baller as a baller watch gets. We're getting basically brand new in-box 1970s Nevada Grenshin. chronographs. These are so cool. So they're in black dial, kind of a tan O D like F D E 12 and nine o'clock sub dials. Great bracelet on these things. This is, this is straight out of the seventies, but released today, 38 millimeter case on them. Because it's a 7750, it's 15.7 thick. 44.3 lug to lug, so it's nice and compact. 200 meters of water resistance. Sapphire crystal. Pre-order is going to be available starting in the end of this month, July 25. Delivery in October, $2,180. That is a killer price for what's effectively a 1970s watch, produced in 2024, powered by a 7750. These are fan-fucking-tastic. Something is a little bit off for me in the color of the bezel. I don't know, maybe I want it to be more matte, but that'll wear right in. |
| Everett | Yeah, these are great. So this is a This is a Gene Singer design, or John Singer design, who designed the Speedmaster Racing, the Hoyer Skipper, the Paul Newman Daytona dials. And you can see all of that here. Yes. That's all really clear. Andrew, I would like you to ask me a question. Would you ask me if I like the fonts? |
| Andrew | Hey, how do you feel about the fonts? |
| Everett | Oh my god, they're so good. They are so Good. |
| Andrew | His pants got tighter. |
| Everett | I can see it. This is so good. There's a few things going on here, Andrew. There's more going on here than you might realize right away. So a couple things. One, Nirvana does really, really, really good pad printing work. Like, really good, you guys. The pad printing here is no different. It has got I think absolutely lovely vintage fonts here. And they're not, they don't feel contrived. They just feel to me classic. |
| Andrew | They just feel 1970s. |
| Everett | This feels like your dad's watch. The bezel font is terrific. You've got both a 12 hour on the bezel and a count up dive timer. The other thing that I really like about this, is it's a two sub dial with a 30 minute and a 60 second sub dial but they're at they're at 12 and 9 respectively which is weird and kind of awesome and it really gives the watch some interesting balance now they've they've put the the date window and it's a big date window that they've put at three o'clock it's the most prominent part of the two I would not hate, on this watch, I would not hate a 430 date window. It doesn't need it, but I do think that that might create a little bit of balance to this dial. Not that the dial's unbalanced. |
| Andrew | I think the 3 o'clock balances that sub-dial. |
| Everett | Okay, I hear you. With a 430 would make it too modern with the six o'clock. Well, I think that these are, I think that these are really, really true to the, those prototypes that they found when this came up at auction. So that makes sense. Also, I want to comment real quick. You, you mentioned the case being 15, seven thick, which is a huge number, but short of the crystal it's 12, seven. So we've got a huge, double domed crystal on this. Um, you know, which, which, okay. |
| Andrew | I could, I would wear this watch every day. |
| Everett | A 44.3 millimeter lug to lug. |
| Andrew | This is a square watch. |
| Everett | 44.3 millimeter lug to lug. It's a square watch. 20 millimeter lugs. This thing is fantastic. |
| Andrew | This is an everyday wear. |
| Everett | And 200 meters of water resistance. Did you mention that? Yeah, I did. 200 meters of water resistance. This thing is terrific. |
| Andrew | This is like kind of, for me, an out-of-left-field Nevada Grenchen move. Totally. What the fuck? Totally. They just showed up, dropped it on the table, and were like, what up? |
| Everett | And 2,000 bucks, Andrew. Yeah. Delivery in October. Price is set at 2,035. Oh, that's euros. So what, 2,300 bucks? |
| Andrew | American money, $2,180. |
| Everett | Dude, this is a fucking steal. Yeah. This is a steal. Now, it does have that vintage thing. Also, the loom pip on the bezel is yellow. |
| Andrew | Yep. Which, am I right? Which perfectly matches the prototype that they found. When you look at the prototype and the current release side-by-side, You would not... Did you send me a link to the prototype? |
| Everett | Yeah, it's at the... Oh, yeah. They look identical. |
| Andrew | Yeah. They were like, oh, this was actually a really good idea. We put a lot of money into this once. Let's make some on it. |
| Everett | Oh, yeah. I mean, you can't tell the difference. The loom on the old one is browned, right? It's super dark. |
| Andrew | It's aged, yes, as you would expect Loom to do. Like actually aged, though. So they made the Loom pips on the new, on the release, yellow. |
| Everett | So the one thing that they didn't bring back, Andrew, that I'm a little sad about looking at the pictures of the old one. The end link? No, I'm okay with this new end link, actually. No, in fact, I think that that was a good decision to make a modern end link. Look at the 10 o'clock on the bezel. So the bezel has that smaller 12-hour timer. Look at the zero on the 10 o'clock. |
| Andrew | Oh it's almost a degree as opposed to a zero. Like a misprint perhaps. |
| Everett | I wish they would have kept that because I think that is a really really charming detail and they did this more of just a traditional 10. And it's fine. And I wouldn't have missed it if I hadn't known about it. But now that I know about it, I'm sad that they didn't do it. It's a dot under 90. Yeah. Yeah. |
| Andrew | That's right. Or over 90. |
| Everett | Yeah. It really a cool watch, man. This is probably the coolest watch this week, if not this year. |
| Andrew | The other thing that they changed a little bit, if you look at the, again at the 10 o'clock, the spacing of the 10 o'clock marker against the sub-dial in the original cuts in just a little bit that sub-dial. Oh yeah. And in the new one they gave it some space. They gave it some room. |
| Everett | And you can. |
| Andrew | I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that change. I'm okay with the changes too because this is a prototype, right? But I think if you're, if you're taking a prototype and you're publishing your prototype, why not just go with it? |
| Everett | Uh, yeah, look at them. They're all over the subdials. No, I think that's the right decision. They gave everything enough room. I'm okay with that change, but I do wish they had kept the zero on the 10. |
| Andrew | This is, this is a really, it's not just a cool release because it's a cool watch. It's a cool story. Hey, we found this thing and we're going to produce it. |
| Everett | We found it at auction. We didn't know it existed. And then it came up at an auction. We're like, Oh God, look at this watch. We have neat. Oh, look at this watch we made. Yeah. |
| Andrew | And then they, obviously being a zombie brand, you guys, and they stayed true to the actual source material. We see so many reissues or, uh, reimaginings of historic releases that just aren't. And I think staying true to the source material, is such a baller move and this for 2200 bucks. Yeah, made my my pants tighter. |
| Everett | Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Let me see. Let me see. Let me see. We've got DLC. Oh, dinky added a new rehab that doesn't have the regular tachometer scale, but a benchmarked one mile instead of kilometers. |
| Andrew | So they made an American. |
| Everett | The loom of the hands is vintage colored. And there's a Japanese day indicator, so you can choose between English or Japanese. And there's a tiny letter H at the six o'clock sub dial in Porsche red. |
| Andrew | Oh, yeah. |
| Everett | Yeah, I'm reading a list, by the way. I don't I'm not actually a Porsche one or a chronograph one expert, but that kind of sounded cool. |
| Andrew | It did. I was I believed it, but I sent it. I was like this. I wouldn't hmm. |
| Everett | 300, this is a limited edition, 300 pieces. 10 grand. It's a Hodinkee collaboration. Yeah. Yeah. No, but, but, but these are cool. These are cool. I love, I have, I have waxed poetic about the chronograph one. |
| Andrew | It's because it's one of the most iconic and best designed watches in the world. |
| Everett | Yeah. Yeah. You know, that H is pretty cool. I don't know. I don't, know that I loved that at first. |
| Andrew | I want a camera there. If we can get an Orphina watch clicker edition with just a just our camera at the at a sub dial or if somebody could just paint one of these dials and then send it to us, you know, you'd have to acquire four. We're not going to pay for them. We're probably not going to pay you for your time, but do feel free to hand paint a camera down there for us and then send you can send it You know what, just send it to one of us and then we'll, you know, whoever you send it to, we'll worry about distributing it to the team. |
| Everett | One more watch, Laurier teams up with Janus Motorcycles, which is a company I don't know a lot about for sort of a field pilot crossover watch that they're calling the Rambler. Laurier, I think, introduced like seven watches in about 12 months and has been a little slow. |
| Andrew | Well, they had the Zephyr two years ago. |
| Everett | Well, yeah, I mean, I felt like they had just a bunch of drops all in a very short period of time. |
| Andrew | They made a catalog and then they held it. |
| Everett | I think they just kind of slowed down a little bit. So this is a round case, pointy lug with an oversized crown with a very, very, very thin bezel. 36 millimeters by nine millimeters, or I guess 11 with the crystal, and 44 millimeter lug to lug. So it's a really conservative, a really conservative sized case. We've got, unsurprising for Laurier, a domed Hesalite. What? And 100 meters of water resistance, Miota 90S5, which is the skeletonized 9000 Miota, which is a very cool moment. They're 500 bucks and they look beautiful. This is a beautiful watch. |
| Andrew | It really is. You know though, everything about it screams canvas or nylon to me, not leather for the strap option. |
| Everett | I actually can see this watch on just about anything. I Personally if I was a brand owner introducing this watch would have put this on a very very sexy Raleigh leather Raleigh strap. |
| Andrew | Oh, yeah, leather Raleigh would be good Cuz with this field pilot II it's very like SNK. It's definitely a pilot watch. |
| Everett | It's definitely a field watch It's kind of in the in-between zone size makes it a field watch Hear me out, too But so we've got a cream case with sort of fun. It's not a cream cream dial with a yellow loom and this bright sort of contrasty red seconds hand that's got a full dot over the post. I want a dark forest green rally strap on this. |
| Andrew | I want black with red stitching. Ew. Ew. |
| Everett | Get out of here. Just get out of here. |
| Andrew | It's in my house. Fair. No. Fair. This is a good release. Uh, it's not going to be in their core lineup. Does it say how many there's going to be? |
| Everett | I do think it's limited, but I didn't, I wasn't able to find that. |
| Andrew | Um, I think when they do limited release, I think they do by order. I think you get one chance. |
| Everett | Oh, and you either get in or you don't. |
| Andrew | I think you pre-order. I think they fill their orders and then, and then they're done. that that kind of excuse me resonates in my memory. |
| Everett | Andrew, what else do we got? |
| Andrew | You know, I think I'm pretty okay with I'm so okay with in fact that I actually closed the links. |
| Everett | Did you have the the the Laurier on your list? I did not. Well, how about that? |
| Andrew | Um, yeah, I think I'm I think we're good. There's, you know, obviously some other things that went down this week. A lot, a lot of things. |
| Everett | Look, we could have, there are at least five watches between the two of us that we're not talking about and we're never going to talk about them. We're just never going to talk about them. |
| Andrew | We're just not, they didn't make the cut. Yeah, sorry. You should just stop producing them right now if we didn't talk about them. |
| Everett | They didn't make the cut. |
| Andrew | Andrew, other things. What do you got? So I have, I've been seeing this tile on Netflix. for the last week. And finally today, I'm home alone. I said, you know what? I'm finally going to do this. I watched the new Beverly Hills Cop Axel F. It is a Netflix exclusive, which I'm not really sure if it means that Netflix paid for it or Netflix bought it. That's, Netflix has never done a good job being really clear. |
| Everett | I think, I think both things are true. I think sometimes they buy movies that are either mid or post production and, and sometimes they make their own. There is a differentiation when they market it, but I can't remember what it is. |
| Andrew | I can't either. And I wish their language a little bit more clear. Uh, so anyway, rotten tomato audience score puts us at a 78 reviewers put this at a 67. Uh, I loved it. It had all, of the Beverly Hills cop, like nostalgia feel. Everyone's back, but they're 30 years old. Eddie Murphy's teeth are much better. Is Judge Reinhold back? |
| Everett | I thought he died. |
| Andrew | I could be wrong. It sure looked like him. All right, he's 67. It's the whole crew and everyone you're seeing, you're like, oh my gosh, you're so old now. And as somebody who was very young the first time they watched Beverly Hills Cop, now seeing it as adult, seeing these guys like, you know, 30 years older, it was super fun. It actually prompted me to then watch the first two Beverly Hills Cops. Is John Ashton in it? Which one's John Ashton? Taggart? Yeah. They're all in it. You're kidding. |
| Everett | They're all back. No kidding. Paul Reisers. Oh, my gosh. |
| Andrew | They're like, and it's, it's almost the, the way they play it is like, Oh yeah, back again, causing this problem again. And they do a good job, you know, progressing the story and kind of adding some new, uh, nuances to it because 30 years has passed and you would expect some things to change 40 years almost with the Beverly Hills cop came out in the eighties, right? |
| Everett | Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. |
| Andrew | Yeah. Early eighties. And there's like callbacks to have the, you know, it happening in the eighties and, um, Anyway, it was fun. I think the reviewer score is probably appropriate. The audience score is probably appropriate. It's definitely a fun watch, and you're not going to check your watch while you're watching it and wonder when it's going to be over. |
| Everett | You know, I recently watched Beverly Hills Cop with the Kids. It's a good kid movie. It's okay. I mean, it's, it's like all 80s movies where you're like, Oh, we had different standards, but they really enjoyed it. |
| Andrew | But it's not like Jaws. Right. It's not like these, these movies that are really important to your childhood that you watched and you loved. Right. You know, like, and now you're like, Oh God. Well, yeah. Like I, I, I screened Jaws cause I was like, Oh, I think Mark might be in the zone to watch Jaws. So I watched Jaws one, it's been several months now and just, In the beginning, I'm like, golly, this is, why was I allowed to watch this? Beverly Hills Cop is not that way. There's some coarse language and some things that I think would go right over a kid's head, but it's definitely not a person being, you know, ribboned by a shark. Right. |
| Everett | Right, right, right. |
| Andrew | Yeah. I'll watch it. It was, it was a fun watch. And then I watched one and two immediately after. |
| Everett | When I watched, uh, when I watched, Beverly Hills Cop with the Kids recently, there was a few things that I was like, oh, the kids aren't going to get that. So in one scene, you know, you know, Axel's from Detroit. He's wearing jeans and a sweatshirt. That's right. But he's got it like in the movie. He's got this vibe. And then at one point he's on the streets of L.A. and these two guys walk by and they're wearing leather neon track suits. No, they're red and purple. These guys walk by in a red and purple leather suit, which is exactly what Eddie wore in raw delirious and then later raw. And he looks at them like shocked, like, look at these assholes. And he turns around, he's laughing at them in the movie. He's like making fun of them quietly in the movie. And I was like, that is, I've never seen that before. I've seen that movie probably half dozen times in my life. And I, I was like, Oh my gosh, that's so terrific. I don't, I don't think Eddie Murphy is the same comedian that he was in the eighties for a lot of reasons. And I don't love modern Eddie Murphy. So I'm going to take your word on it. |
| Andrew | There, there were a couple jokes in the original ones that are like callback that have been called back to in his modern movies and his modern one, like, It's a Beverly Hills cop, right? It's not Eddie Murphy comedy. It's, it felt every bit of this movie was released in 1992, but with modern, uh, sensibilities. Terrific. I'm here for it, man. Yeah. Watch it. It was, it was a fun watch. And then, you know, let me down a rabbit hole. |
| Everett | Uh, Andrew, have you heard of Adidas ultra boost? Nope. Okay, so Adidas has this sole material called Ultra Boost. It's like a TPU midsole material, and it's been incredibly popular over the last, I don't know, six, seven years. I've had a pair of Ultra Boost shoes. They're really, really comfortable. The material is special, right? It's like, I think, got a construction that just makes it really nice. Around the time that Adidas introduced Ultra Boost, they also introduced a product called Cloud Foam in their lower end shoes. Adidas, like most companies, has a few different tiers of shoes. I recently needed an inexpensive pair of shoes, so I popped into a DSW. I picked up a pair that this is kind of the other thing, but it's not really the other thing. I picked up a pair of Adidas run 84 joggers and they were, I think 75 bucks or 80 bucks. Uh, they've got good style. Um, and they have this material. The sole material is called cloud foam. And I thought, Oh, what is this? You know, whatever. Fully expecting it to just be, of some sort of TPU sole material that I wasn't going to pay any attention to or care about, right? This is like cheap Adidas shoes. They're going to be fine. |
| Andrew | Yeah, they're going to do exactly the thing you want, which is to cover your feet. |
| Everett | That's right. And they kind of look good, right? Like inexpensive, just good enough. Yep. Looking good. I don't need to take care of them. I can just wear them and do things and I'm the last for a season or two and then I'll get rid of them. Um, so I get these things and I put them on my feet and the first, like, four or five hours that I was wearing them, every time I would stand up, I would be like, whoa, hmm, whoa. I do not have all that many experiences in my life where I've, like, particularly with shoes, where I had a pair of shoes on my feet for four or five hours, where every time I got up, I physically remarked at the comfort. You can find Cloud Foam in probably three or four dozen different models of shoes that Adidas sells, all of which retail, maybe not retail, but all of which sell actual street prices for like well under a hundred bucks. These are not expensive shoes. I've worn these things now for five or six days. I do, here's my concern, and I think it's probably a certainty at this point, I don't think they're going to last a long time. |
| Andrew | No, it's like, it's like that brand new sock feel that you get the first wear and wash. |
| Everett | And I've worn these, I will say I've worn these five times. I can see creasing in the sides, compression creasing in the sides already. Um, but they're still very comfortable. So I, I do think these are probably one season shoes, at least for that level of comfort, a hundred bucks, I think, you know, after maybe 40 or 50 wears, they're probably going to be much less remarkable. But I was shocked at how comfortable these shoes are. And I'm like a true believer. I was like, what in the world? Hmm. They feel like slippers. Like when you like, it's like cushion. Like I know all shoes have cushion, right? But like actually like cushions. under your feet. I was kind of shocked. You know, I don't spend a lot of time in DSW. I'm kind of a shoe snob, right? |
| Andrew | Yeah. I'm surprised you went to DSW. |
| Everett | I just needed a pair of shoes that I didn't want, that I, that I wasn't going to worry about. I was going to be doing a couple of things that were outside and I wanted to kind of look good, but I also didn't want to have to worry about getting my shoes all dirty. Um, like tonight I'm wearing a pair of limited edition Spizzikes that are actually not even all that comfortable. Um, I would never wear these shoes to do the things that I was doing those days. I was going to be like on a golf course, and I was just doing a bunch of things and I didn't want to have to worry about my shoes, but I also wanted to look good, right? |
| Andrew | Why didn't you wear your golf shoes? |
| Everett | I wasn't going to be able to wear my golf shoes. It was going to be back and forth. There's going to be a bunch of different things. I really just wanted a pair of kickarounds for the summer. I wanted a pair of kickarounds that I can throw on when I'm going to be doing something dirty. right? Or potentially dirty, right? Like if I ruin these shoes, if I get these shoes all dirty or muddy or whatever, I'm not going to care about it. I'm blown away by how comfortable, some of the most comfortable tennis shoes I've ever had on my feet in my life. No exaggeration. |
| Andrew | And they don't look like old man's shoes. Nope. Nope. Yeah. No, they're in the neighborhood, but they're not there. |
| Everett | No, these were, these, they look very much like a Nevada Grenshin chronograph. Yes. Like these could have been released in 1983, 84, excuse me. |
| Andrew | Do you remember your dad wearing these shoes? |
| Everett | Perhaps, if your dad was really fucking cool. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, it's not a terrific shoe, right? It's not a well-manufactured shoe or anything like that. But for 80 bucks, I'm like, dude, this was the buy of the summer. Maybe, yeah. So Adidas CloudFoam, that's the actual other thing. |
| Andrew | The CloudFoam, yeah. |
| Everett | for me in the iteration of the Run 84 jogger. Perfect. That's it. That's it. Andrew, Andrew, I think we did it. Do you have anything you'd like to add before we let these people go? |
| Andrew | I'm out of things. |
| Everett | Good, good. I need to turn that down before I turn it on. Hey, thanks, folks. You at home, thank you. Thank you for joining us for this episode of 40 in 20 at the Watch Clicker podcast. Do me a favor, go to our website. That is WatchClicker.com. Probably HTTPS colon slash slash. Backslash, backslash. That's where we post every single episode of this podcast, but also where we post articles and reviews and things you can read. If you can read. If you can read. And maybe we have some sort of network. Uh, if you'd like to see us on social media, you have to do that on Instagram at 40 and 20 underscore watch clicker or at watch clicker. Uh, if you want to support us and this is super easy, patreon.com slash 40 and 20, you can go and donate one to five or a hundred dollars per month. And that helps us continue to do this because all the things we have to do costs a little bit of money. And when you add it all up, it's kind of a lot of money. So, uh, patreon.com slash 40 and 20. And don't forget to tune back in next Thursday for another hour of Watches, Food, Drinks, Life, and other things we like. |