Monta Releases a Surprise Banger (298)

Published on Wed, 17 Jul 2024 22:11:10 -0700

Synopsis

This podcast episode covers various new watch releases and other topics of interest to watch enthusiasts. Some key highlights include:

1) A discussion on Seiko's new reimagining of the Pogue watch, the SSC947, in their Prospex line with a solar chronograph movement and modern design elements paying homage to the original.

2) Breitling's new Endurance Pro 38 watch, a lightweight quartz chronograph made of a carbon composite material called "Bright Light", aimed at outdoor activities.

3) Monta's release of new GMT models in their Noble line with a Sellita movement and attractive blue or green sunburst dials.

4) Baltic's new "MR Roulette" watch featuring a micro-rotor Hangzhou movement, roulette-style markers, and intricate case brushing details.

5) A discussion on retro/vintage golf club equipment from the early 2000s "golden age" and the appeal of collecting and playing with them.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the watch clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, besides not being able to get into your beer, how are you?
Everett I'm all right. I, yeah, I am struggling a little bit. I thought I could do it one handed. I can't.
Andrew Uh, it's a slim cans are a little bit hard to get the right purchase and angles on to
Everett Andrew, have you ever seen those clean canteen sleeves that are like perfectly white cloth sized?
Andrew I saw one, I forget who made it, but it's like a universal cozy size. It has like a pinched neck that you can put a 12 ounce, like a slim can through. But if you don't put that neck on, it fits a standard with 12 ounce can. fits a bottle, has like another little attachment for, I don't want that for glass fitting. I want it to fit perfectly around it. I want it to just hug it. Well, it does do that.
Everett Well, with its little collar, I don't want that color. I don't want any colors or accessories.
Andrew I, I, I mean, I obviously didn't either. I didn't get it.
Everett No accessories for me. Um, Andrew, uh, in ducks news, the, uh, Ducks picked up to Corian Moore. If you are tuning into 1420 the Watch Clicker podcast from Texas. Suck it! And you're a UT fan. Y'all can eat balls. Yeah, that was really cool. Oregon, Oregon football, man.
Andrew NIL did a really interesting thing for the dynamics of division one football. It's It's interesting.
Everett Yeah, I mean, it definitely changes. It changes the landscape a little bit. You know, there have been some prognostications over the years that have proven wrong. I think with the 12 team playoff this coming year, it's going to be it. I think it really opens up a lot of doors. You know, with 12 teams, you're going to see some teams that
Andrew Historically have been just outside, you know, I'm thinking of or getting snubbed because they're not power five I think of like TCU and Boise State. Yes, precisely.
Everett Yeah Shit every once in a while like you get teams that just show up that year and You create some Cinderella's you you create an additional recruiting tool, you know, we went deep into the playoffs, you know, we've got the the coaching talent, you know, what a way to showcase.
Andrew Fun post-season play where no one's feeling left out the way that the four-team playoff made teams feel left out.
Everett You better believe that there will be just as many, if not more teams. You know, when they switched from the national championship to the four-team playoff, it was really supposed to fix the problem. The problem being some years there are more than two teams that have a reasonable argument to get there. But instead of people being rational and saying, well, if you're not one of the two teams, you can't bitch, right? Like if you don't, so if you're the fourth team or the third team or the fifth team, you just don't have a bitch, right? The only reason you would have a gripe is if you were one of the two teams, but that's not how our brains work, right? So now there's four teams. Well, I shouldn't be the fifth team. I'm the fourth team. Clearly we're better than Texas because of blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, But that wasn't the point, right? So now we're just growing that, we're making, we're arguably giving more, I mean, is there more space between the fourth and fifth team more year, more years, or excuse me, is there more parity between the fourth and fifth teams most years or the 12th and 13th teams? Try to separate out meaningfully the 12th and 13th team in the country.
Andrew Yeah. Well, I don't know. I think, I don't, I think once you get below the top eight, then, then you start to see actual, like true strength of schedule differences, true performance against peers differences. But if you looked at like the playoff, look at look last year, going into the last day of college football, the, the top six teams were, Not set.
Everett Well, you know, a lot of times, right? You will have these like top, top four, right? You maybe get a one loss team, right? A one loss conference championship. Like if you're not a one loss conference champion, you're not getting in. Right. But like at 13 or at 12 you might have a one loss team at 12 or you might have a three loss team at 12.
Andrew And you'll certainly have a two loss in the top 10. Right?
Everett Like, so like a three loss, you know, let's just say for instance, Auburn, right. Or a one loss Boise state. Well, who gets in? I don't know. Yeah. You know, and there's going to be, there's going to be all these arguments about it. Yeah. How are they doing the, well, okay. We'll start. I'm sorry. You guys will stop. We're stopping now. We'll, we'll move on. We'll move on. Andrew, we're here to talk about watches. I'm okay talking college football playoffs though. It wasn't bad. Six minutes. I'm sorry, Joe.
Andrew I'm sorry. And you know what? If you're not interested in college football playoffs, what do you do in the fall?
Everett I mean, maybe hike or I don't know, pick pumpkins.
Andrew You can do all those things and also still be interested.
Everett Overseeding of the lawn.
Andrew Still. Overseeding of the lawn.
Everett Uh, I am excited to watch all the home games. We're going to stop. I'm going to, I'm going to be there. I'm going to be there.
Andrew It's going to be such a cool season because we don't have power five anymore. We could spend the next hour and a half, but we're here to talk about watches. As you so eloquently stated, I am going to start because that's, that's the, Oh, that's the thing that I do. I, I kick us off and I'm going to kick us off with a really, really cool release from Seiko. We have a re-release, sort of, a reimagining of the Pogue in the new, in the Prospex line. This is great. To spec it out, we've got a, it's the V126 solar movement, or 126? Hang on. 192 solar chronograph movement, 21 millimeter lug width, 100 meters of water resistance. Are you okay, Andrew? No, I'm having a little bit of a stroke. It's fine. We don't have to worry about the stroke. Because I'm excited. I'm getting ahead of myself in my words. A little tongue tied here. 41.4 diameter, 13 thick, 45.9 lug to lug. The Seiko name for it is the SSC947, but this is a modern iteration of the Pogue. The color is right, the case is slightly different, and I can't really fully put my finger on why, because it would have been so easy to retain that case shape. They went with a somewhere in between the Pogue case and a modern round chronograph. You still get some of the some of the angles but it's just not quite right. Really what this is is a Pogue color scheme in a modern watch with a solar chronograph movement but I am here for it. 700 bucks that's right where I I'm comfortable with Prospex watches falling. I think they could have been a little closer to the to the true source material and it wouldn't have been harder. Barring that though, I'm excited about this release. I think it's great. And to be recognizing the history of the Pogue and reimagining it in a modern way is worthwhile.
Everett I think I agree with your assessment. First, it's a beautiful watch. I really don't mind this platform for a Pogue colorway. We do have a tachymeter. We've got that beautiful red to the 250, which is appropriate. Although I don't think the red went all the way to 250 on the original. It was shy of the 250. We lose the source material, but obviously we have a much more traditional Tricompax layouts. This is with the blue sub-dial. So this is clearly a much different watch. But I'll tell you, I like this a whole lot more than I liked that, I don't know, 2022 SKX or 5KX release of the Pogue. Yes.
Andrew And I think this is This is not a re-release. It's not a reissue. It's an homage. This is what the Pogue would look like in the modern era. Sure. It's a Tricompax. With a dope solar movement. Yeah, which isn't like a single sub dial chronograph just isn't practical. I mean, it can work, but in the spirit of this utility watch that's being designed to to be fucking awesome, I think it would kind of spurt the spirit of the Pogue to do just a straight reissue.
Everett Yeah. Well, so for those who don't know, the Pogue is a psycho chronograph from The 70s?
Andrew 60s. It was, uh, it was their, uh, submission for the space race. The moon watch. That, there you go.
Everett Um, which came out at the same time as a lot of famous watch the 6139, 6002, uh, no 1970s worn by Colonel William Pogue in 1973 on his trip to the Skylab space station. So, This is a very famous watch made by Seiko. That's when it made it to space. If you're like, I don't know what you guys are talking about, that's what we're talking about. It is probably one of the most in demand and one of the most frankened Seikos you can buy. Yeah. And so this is clearly, like you said, an homage to that. At some point, I think it's fine for Seiko to say, or even perhaps not to say, like, hey, this is just a colorway, right? This isn't a Pogue. This is a classic Seiko colorway that we're releasing one of our rad watches in. Eat it, right? Yeah. Which I think is what they've done here. We've got 100 meters of water resistance. We've got a Seiko solar movement, Prospex sort of layout. This is a terrific watch.
Andrew I also can't think of the last time I saw a Seiko release that wasn't immediately available. Yeah, when is this? This article says available in October of this year. Am I off there? I feel like when you see a new Seiko, it's immediately available in mass.
Everett You know, I don't know that I can comment on that wisely. What does this say if you go to the website? It just doesn't say anything. It's just like, this is a watch. No button to watch or anything. August 2024 release, so.
Andrew All right. Well, it's, it is, it is on the horizon. I think these are cool. And the Prospex line is so good. It's got a good bracelet on it. Like, well, it's got a perfectly adequate bracelet on it that you won't have to replace.
Everett You know what, Andrew? I do come, I do want to complain. Okay. Uh, why are the subdials black?
Andrew I don't know. Can't the sub-dials be gold? The chapter rings black. They should be gold. I agree.
Everett I think they nailed the gold on this.
Andrew Yeah, they 100% did.
Everett All right. I agree with you. Well, the Seiko Solar Chronograph's just a dope watch, so. Yeah. And this is a good colorway. Agreed. I'm going to talk about a weird watch, Andrew. Ooh, that's unusual. I'm going to talk about a weird watch because I saw this and I was like, I immediately know, but you know that meme of the girl and she like tastes some sort of thing, like maybe it's like a, what's that vinegar drink that everybody, the hippies drink? Kombucha. Yeah, so maybe it's like kombucha or something, but she's like, she like tastes it and like, like makes it like a, ew face. And then kind of like a, oh, maybe. And then like, no, no, no.
Andrew It goes back, yeah, cycles back and forth. Oh, oh, but maybe.
Everett Anyway, this watch is kind of like that for me, where I'm like immediately know, and then I'm like, oh, but maybe. So what this is, is the Breitling Endurance Pro N38. The Endurance Pro is an existing watch, I think from 2020, which is a, I'm going to say, I'm going to say a no-no word. It's a plastic quartz watch. Two no-no words. A plastic quartz watch from Breitling, which is super lightweight, really functional, but in the past has been huge. Huge. 44 millimeters by like 53 almost. It's just like this giant, and it's a resin case, all right? I said plastic, I said that to be a little bit. A little poopy. A little controversial. They actually call this, I love it, they call this Bright Light, which is a carbon composite. It's great. So supposedly it's up to three times lighter than titanium, six times lighter than stainless. And this has always been a cool watch, but it's always been huge. It's got sort of like a funky, like symmetrical crown guard case, chronograph, super busy dial, like just a busy, busy, busy.
Andrew It looks like Tag Heuer of the nineties and Breitling had a baby. Yeah. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. All blacked out. They come with some fun colors. The Endurance Pro 44 now comes in purple and pink. Interesting. But the new Endurance Pro 38, so get this, get this spec sheet. 38 millimeters, 12.1 thick, 18 millimeter lugs. I think I could go for 20, but it's okay, it works. Yeah, the dimensions up here. 26 and a half grams. 26 and a half grams.
Andrew Not very many grams. It's like a moon swatch. Yeah.
Everett Well, let's do this real quick. Moon swatch weight. 29 grams. It's actually less than a moon swatch.
Andrew This says that the, uh, total weight of the F 91 W is 21 grams with the bracelet.
Everett Yeah. So it's an incredibly, it's incredibly light watch. Um, it's a super quartz thermo compensated. They call it the caliber 83. I don't know what that means. I don't care. Uh, cost certified chronometer meaning plus or minus 10 seconds per year. Uh,
Andrew Yeah. I expect that out of quartz though. That's sort of what quartz is designed to do.
Everett Basically, it's like a plastic super ocean chronograph in a super strong, super light case with a dope super quartz movement that you could wear doing anything. I mean, this is like a true This is a true like outdoor kill it watch, but it's also neat enough that you could like wear it. You're like, Oh, what's that? Oh, this is my dope super quartz bright light bright lane. That's fucking awesome.
Andrew Yeah. This is, this is a pretty cool watch. The only thing that I am reading here is that it says that the caliber 83 has a two year battery life expectancy, which is crazy short.
Everett Yeah, I mean, whatever, whatever. You change the battery. Battery goes dead, you change it. Yeah. It's a high, it's a high torque Kosk's certified chronometer. I get it.
Andrew With a chronograph. I get it. The color matched chapter ring strap and crown band are pretty cool too.
Everett There's just a lot going on here too. Compass bezel. I actually, so, I've got what there's, there's obviously a downside. It's Breitling. This is a $3,200 watch. I don't have any concept for what these would go on the secondhand market, but if you could get this down to around low two thousands, I'm, I'm a trigger puller on this.
Andrew Yeah. I mean, this is as good a quartz watch as you'll ever find. And as cool, right?
Everett I mean, I'll agree with that. It's cool. It's a super cool watch. Like, I mean, this is like, so ignore the colors for a second. I like the blue. They do have this in a white. The colors are pretty bright. They've got it in a blue, they've got it in a red, but like, if there was a blacked out version, this is like a perfect soldier's watch, right?
Andrew Is there a loom button? There's bloom. It's all loom. Well, that's the, you need Like, not Indiglo, necessarily, but you need some kind of battery-powered backlight.
Everett It's got superluminova, man. This thing's gonna shine for forever. You're gonna be able to read this all fucking night long.
Andrew Maybe. All night long. I have to charge this a couple times.
Everett All night long.
Andrew Throughout the night.
Everett I just think this thing's dope. Like, for a soldier in the field to, like, oh, what kind of watch is that? Is that, what kind of, oh, it's a Breitling. Fuck off. I love it, man. I think it's a super cool watch. I don't have anything else to say about it.
Andrew Blacked out would be a really good go fuck yourself.
Everett I think it needs to be blacked out. Or give me, I mean this is the one instance where I'm going to say, hey Breitling, give me some tactical. Yeah. Give me an FDE or an OD. Like this an FDE?
Andrew I might buy it at retail.
Everett FDE with just the FDE chapter ring and the FDE strap?
Andrew Yo. Yeah, I might buy, I might pay full price for that. I don't think I'd wait for secondary market. Yo. Anyway, it's pretty sick. Cause you'd look like the tactic coolest arms dealer on the planet.
Everett Yeah. I think it's really cool.
Andrew Uh, I got another thing. The Monted Noble got an upgrade. Cool. Tell me. A GMT. with the Noble Voyager. So as we all know, the Montenoble is the slightly smaller edition, a little dressier than the Triumph, right? It's a 36 case, isn't it? No, Triumph is. No, no, no, the Noble is the 36 case. No. Or is it all, they're all the same case? It doesn't matter. It's the dressier sport watch, right? It's the non-GMT Atlas with a little bit more dress flair.
Everett So I believe it's the same, almost exactly the identical dimensions to the triumph.
Andrew You know, is it? In fact, it was slimmer. I thought that was the whole thing. Doesn't matter. I don't think it doesn't matter. It now has a GMT movement and it is baller. As always, Manta just nailed the execution on it. The, uh, so what I'll say is my favorite part of the Atlas, uh, that the Atlas GMT, from Manta is the bend in the GMT hand to give it clearance over the indices. They don't have that on this, which is reasonable because it's still this this still retains the very dressy sport look, refined look with kind of a skeletonized, really subtle GMT hand. Little loom tip on it. These are great. That comes in a blue, a green. Yep, so blue or green sunburst, 150 meters of water resistance. These are 38.5. So yeah, it's the same case as all of them. Yeah. 10.7 thick, which is money for a GMT complication. BGW nine loom. These are good. This is a cool, cool addition. It's not an addition I would have ever expected from Monte cause they already had their, their GMT with the Atlas. It doesn't make me a little concerned that the Atlas might go away though.
Everett You know, I don't think it will. I think this is an altogether different thing. Um, a couple of notes on this watch. So yes, I do think the Monte case and the noble case are nearly identical. Obviously different polishing. um which creates a a different visual look this is a this is a as as you might expect a noble case uh but given the given the module you've got a more uh robust case so manta actually wound up having to increase this almost a full millimeter to 10.7 150 meters 10.7 uh there's you're going to have some objections to the Salida 330-2, which is a collar GMT, especially given all the fantastic affordable watches that are coming out with flyer GMTs right now. You know, personally, I don't have, I don't care at all about that. It's just simply not something that I, that registers on my care scale. But I think for a lot of people, it does. And so that's that's something to note that it's a 332. But it's 150 meter 10.7 millimeter GMT GMT dress watch. And I think retail on these is 24. Manta, unfortunately, well, yeah, unfortunately, Manta doesn't hold its value super well, meaning I think these will be they'll probably lose 700 or 800 bucks really quick.
Andrew Yeah. You'll be able to get these 15, 1600 bucks all day.
Everett That's my guess. Yeah. Maybe 1700. I think if you order these now you 2150 from pre-order. Yeah. Yeah. So which you're still going to lose money if you, if you're a flipper, that's going to be, you're going to lose some money on this. Um, but I, I just think this is terrific. I think it's super terrific, Andrew,
Andrew What colors are these available in? Blue and green sunburst. It's just blue and green. Yeah. And you know, I, I really like, I typically like Montez blue. The sunburst doesn't do it for me. Uh, if, if this in white, that would be hot fire.
Everett Well, like a polar white. And the sunburst is a noble, that is a noble hallmark. Um, I'm fine with it, obviously, but I agree with you. I you know, I actually would really like this in there I can't remember what they call it silver that like almost pewter color. Yeah, that'd be good or the charcoal that they that they have the Atlas in but I mean Hard for me to Hard for me to cast too many stones green this green greens good green that Longines using for their spirit GMT. Yes. It seems jadey, like emerald-y. It seems like a bit of a soup du jour, which I'm here for it. Some of the pictures make it look a little bit more emerald and it's definitely got like a degradé, almost black.
Andrew And I think that's something that Manta does really well with their colors is they, they don't ever look the same from different angles.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Interesting, interesting choices with our hand or with the hands. I think the hands are the same as the noble hands, which are beautiful, by the way. They're really, really good looking hand. But then that that GMT hand, I think almost it almost gets it like a little bit of a modern look.
Andrew The touch like it's not a traditional arrow. It's a skeletonized I mean, it's, it's like the outline of the hour hand.
Everett It's not really something we see. It's not really something we see with that. Well, it feels a little bit, I won't call it discordant, but to me, it doesn't fit the vibe of the watch perfectly. Whereas I don't mind the hour and minute hands that GMT hand seems a little bit out of place to me.
Andrew That's because you're so used to seeing this with just three hands.
Everett Maybe, maybe I feel like it's a little too modern. Maybe. Like I want something a little bit less pushy. Or a little too subtle. I wouldn't call it subtle. It's the opposite of subtle.
Andrew I think they were going, like they were trying to hide the hand.
Everett Like have it be kind of out of the way. Yeah. I can see that. I don't hate it though. Certainly that's like a minor, minor quibble.
Andrew I like an arrow for the GMT.
Everett Yeah, no, I do too. Or an airplane. And I do miss the, I do miss the, the GMT hand bending over the markers. It's such a clever thing.
Andrew And I don't know what's there. I mean, I don't know if they're the only ones who do it, but.
Everett Well, and I think they wound up having to get rid of it, or maybe not having to, but making the decision to get rid of it because of manufacturing costs or something, I'm not sure. But yeah, this is fine. I like it. I like it, Andrew.
Andrew It's a good, it's, it's a good release.
Everett And the price is right. I mean, between the specs and the price, it's like, fuck yeah. Okay. I can't complain.
Andrew Are they really not doing the curved hour or GMT hand anymore? I think they got rid of it. Yeah. This rendering looks like it's still there, but I haven't seen a, I haven't seen a new one in a really long time.
Everett Uh, so... G-Shock?
Andrew Ooh, I think we... I think we owe it to ourselves.
Everett G-Shock released a trio, a trio of new Baby-Gs. I've always really been captivated by the Baby-G. I think there's an idea that the Baby-G is perhaps, like, a watch for young women. Uh, but I have oftentimes considered getting a baby G to rock for myself. I haven't done that. I did buy a baby G. I bought Kim a, yeah, that's right. I bought Kim a gummy baby G or a jelly baby G a few years ago. And it's like, a pink resin, but it's old enough that it's kind of like yellowed a little bit, which gives it this really, no, I love it. It gives it this really nice like pink Amber appeal. I really like that watch.
Andrew Doesn't she have a steel baby G too?
Everett Nope.
Andrew Oh no. She has a, what is it? She's got a tag. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Um, Yeah, so, so, uh, G Shock released a trio of square baby G's this year in their BGD 565 line. This is like the 565 is like a junior 5600, right? Yeah. And so there's been a handful of BGD 565 for summer this year, they released a yellow, a blue, a light blue and a pink. And they're releasing these as an homage to Y2K, I guess, which 24 years later, I'm like, all right, Casio, whatever you want to say. But I find these all charming, not something that I would normally talk about. G-Shock releases approximately 8,000 watches a week. But I love all of these. I really, really like these. The bezels on these are all really, crystal. It's not like a frosted jelly. It's a really like shiny, glossy. And then the module sits in a opaque color matched resin wedge, which gives these all really appealing colors. They've got 100 meters of water resistance. They're 99 bucks. They've got a G-Shock, a base model G-Shock module. Man, I gotta tell ya, I'm into it. I don't know that I'm into it to talk about it solo long enough. For you to full on abandon me.
Andrew Well, it's hot in here. I'm gonna do that if you want. It's my house. I like this release and I think this is a lot more fun than any of the other 7,999 releases from uh, Casio this week. Uh, that's why we're talking about it on our show. Yeah. Because it's just like, I, every week there's so many releases. It's like, Oh, Mr. Master of G steel in this color. Now it's like, okay, cool. I, I appreciate the, the density of releases. I could go for more fun releases like this that are like, Oh, I could get this for my kid. I I'm totally on board with this. What's the price on these?
Everett 99 bucks. Yeah. 99 bucks. So, um, did you, so this is actually, this happened also, I think last week, did you see the MQ 24 F 91 releases? Um, or, or M M Q 24 and F 91 releases. Uh, let me send this to you. Sending. Casio released three new F91. I mean, these are like, not like watch news releases. But these, I think these are on Hypebeast. They released these three F91s and MQ24s, well, more than three MQ24s, which are just like base model Casios. They're just, the simplest Casio's you can get, but all of these are really like monochromatic.
Andrew I really like the all blacked out F91.
Everett And you know, I can't find any information on where to buy these. I'm sure that you can buy them. We'll try to find these and we'll put a link in the show notes. They're like, it's like a black, a white and that white F91.
Andrew I'm about that.
Everett I don't know how much these are.
Andrew They should be 20 bucks, just like F91's cost.
Everett I don't think they're going to be. I think they're going to, so the F91WB-1A. Yeah. The model's digital LCD has been updated with a minimalist face, environmentally conscious materials like its bio-resin band, and fewer mode indicators. Watch is completely monochromatic in white, cobalt blue, and black shades. So that's the numbers you need. F-91. How many money? WB-1A. I'm gonna, let's see if I put this into the Google machine, what it'll pop out for me. Um, 42 from Discovery Japan for the black.
Andrew It's not good. That's not great at all for enough.
Everett Yeah, whatever. It's 40 bucks.
Andrew You're going to pay 40 bucks in shipping because it's a JDM almost certainly.
Everett It does look like these things are JDM only. Let's see if I click this one if I can get the other colors. I thus far I can only find
Andrew the black one on discovery japan so uh ymmv i don't know which version i hate uh more the the full saying or the abbreviation i think i might hate the abbreviation more andrew what's next okay We have a couple new limited edition. I got a two, I got a two for there. You did get a two for well done. You're always, always be cheating, man. It's not always be closing with you. It's ABC YMMV. Um, so a couple of new limited edition colorways from Locko. We have the Augsburg and the Aachen both in.
Everett Aachen? Aachen? Aachen? I don't know.
Andrew I don't know what you want from me. in green, and this is a good green. So both of these watches have had a run of limited edition colorways. They are typically available in black, but they're available in 38 and 41. I think these watches, I think I want them in 41. Is it 41 or 42? They have a big and a small, 39 and 42. So I was off by a millimeter in the wrong direction, but 39, 42 cases, both available in this limited edition green. The green is good. It's very good. And that's it. These are great watches. I don't think we, I don't think we give enough attention to watches like this because they're just so consistent and they're always available and they're always good.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew I mean, I feel like we talk about this watch way more than we should and not enough 440 euro for these, which is the price you'd want to pay. It's a good green. Oh wait, you can get blued screws for $4.95. Yeah, I like this release. I never would have considered green on this platform and seeing it, I think I might prefer it to black.
Everett You know, my disappointment in this watch is that you can't buy it in $39. They're only available in $42. Uh, which I think is the less appealing.
Andrew Is the green only in the 42? Yeah. Yeah. Both models are available. Yeah. This says both are available in 39 and 42.
Everett Um, I don't know what article you're reading, but the one I'm reading says the limited edition Augsburg and Aachen I'm looking at today, both only come in the 42 millimeter size. That's yeah. So, And frankly, that's maybe, you can argue, you could probably present a really good argument that the 42 is more appropriate for this watch, fine. But yeah, I think it makes, it's a slightly less versatile watch.
Andrew Much less, it's a high plate.
Everett Almost 12 millimeters thick on that guy, 11.7, which is actually pretty reasonable for a 42 millimeter watch. But yeah, and you know, base Miyota movements, which is fine, it's fine. I think you can get a slight upgrade, but it's still a Miota 8000. So yeah, I think that this watch is a terrific entry-level automatic watch. And it's truly entry-level, right? A lot of people will say, oh, you know, Mont is an entry-level watch. And if you ever catch yourself saying that, like make sure that you're not around people who who like are assholes.
Andrew Yeah. You're around people who aren't like us. Because I'm also of the opinion that a Manta is a entry level watch, but it's an entry level into like neck beard watch or like a luxury watches. I'm now in this both feet. I've got my entry level watch stable and now I want my entry level real watch.
Everett I'd say this is an actual entry level. Like someone comes to you and says, I'm looking to enter the world of watches. I've got 250 bucks burning a hole in my pocket. So first, the first conversation you're going to have to have is why that number is maybe not the best number. And then you're going to have to have a conversation about, okay, well let's look at opening up your budget reasonably. And if you throw a $2,400 Noble Voyager GMT at them, they're going to be like, I don't want to get into watches.
Andrew I've changed my mind and I don't blame you.
Everett And so this is really, this is truly the Augsburg notch and truly an entry level watch, but there's a lot for me and us and us sitting in some sort of condition space. Hopefully, uh, there's a lot for us to complain about with this watch, I think.
Andrew Yeah, definitely.
Everett I think it's got a lot of words, so With that said, it's one of the, you know, maybe 20 watches that would certainly make my best watches under 500 list. Like if I was going to have to come up with a list.
Andrew That'd be a really hard list to make.
Everett It's on the list. It's a heritage brand.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett It is size, shape.
Andrew Not just a heritage brand, it's a heritage model.
Everett Yeah. Well, it's a heritage brand for sure. Yeah, so it makes my list, right? But it comes with its words. And I think that's why we talk about it almost more than we should probably.
Andrew Not enough.
Everett Andrew, I've only got one watch left to talk about. Okay, let's hear it. I've only got one watch left to talk about it. And I gotta admit, it's on my list, but I'm maybe not super excited about it. A few years back, Baltic released their MR01 series of watches, which was a lovely watch, and we talked about it at the time, and I think we lauded its size and proportions and its markers. This week, Baltic released the MR, with MR standing for micro rotor. Oh, not Mr. Roulette. And This watch uses a Hangzhou Cal 5000. What watch did we talk about just the other day with the Hangzhou? A really cool movement. Okay, look, this is a movement we looked at for Foster. It's a cool movement, although it is not the most precisely made movement on earth by all accounts.
Andrew Which you get what you pay for.
Everett It's gorgeous. It's affordable. They're able to do this for under 500 bucks. I read a Hodinkee article that called this a Calatrava style watch, which... All right. All right, Hodinkee. I see you. I guess. I guess. But really, what this is, is a 36 millimeter sport dress watch that comes in because of that micro rotor under 10 millimeters with a 44 millimeter lug to lug 30 meters of water resistance strap only and whereas the prior version came with sort of an upright funky arabic polished steel arabic markers this has a roulette markers that are uh circularly aligned so the the markers move along the compass, and then at three o'clock and nine o'clock, they switch orientations, so they're still upright. In a roulette wheel, right? It's a roulette wheel. We've got still a small seconds at 730, pretty big small seconds given this face. Yeah, really big. But it's beautiful. It's a 36 millimeter watch, so the actual sub-dial is pretty small. or maybe normal sized, but relative to the face, it's huge. I think the coolest thing about this watch is that you've got a north-south brushing on the bezel and a circular brushing on the top of the mid case, and then a horizontal brushing on the case sides. So you've got like a really lot of complexity. And then the bezel, the bezel, is a 90-degree angle. So you've got that north-south polishing or brushing on the top side of that, and then it comes to a sharp 90 and goes down, directly down, and that ring of the bezel is polished. Really terrific case on this thing. I mean, yeah, that's what I'll say. So did we call, this is the Baltic R.M. Roulette is or excuse me M.R. Roulette is what they're calling it.
Andrew It is gorgeous. It when I first saw it, I was like, oh, it looks like a Bremor watch. Right. That Art Deco like money's dial. It's a confusing release for me from Baltic that is like just a continuously confusing brand that nothing that I've seen of Baltic gives me the oh, that's a Baltic. feel. And for a brand as established as Baltic, I kind of want that. I want to see like Baltic throughout and their, their design is just so everywhere that the only unifying component is the, is the logo. I love that they're using a micro rotor though, even if it's, you know, got it's reasonable issues.
Everett Maybe a bit of a lack of identity. I mean, certainly some bangers, right? Aquascaf, terrific. The Hermetique, which we've talked about a lot, which is a watch I love.
Andrew Yeah, it makes a lot of our lists. It's not degrading of Baltic. It's that I don't see design identity throughout. And I want that.
Everett Yeah, no, I can see that Andrew, maybe just a little bit, maybe just a little bit. These designs are from a distance a little bit generic, but then you like on this, on this roulette, you get in, you know, or the, the RM or the MR just generally you get in, it's like, Oh, actually there's some things happening here that are all worthwhile, a really well designed watch.
Everett Um, but yeah, 500 bucks for those.
Andrew That's a, that's a banger. I, for Baltic, I, I'm, I always expect right around a thousand. So seeing less is bueno.
Everett What else you got, man?
Andrew You know, I had two things that I was going to talk about. I honestly, as I look at them, I'm just not, I don't want to talk about them.
Everett Andrew, other things.
Andrew What do you got? I got another thing. Uh, I brought it. Can I eat it? You must eat it. So I went to Costco yesterday, did my grocery shopping. Uh, and I've talked about Wisps before. on the show. They're baked cheese. So these are baked, cheesed, popped jalapeno poppers. And these are my favorite new snack. Crispy cheese is the truth. Add some like actual, because when I saw these, I'm like, oh, there'll be like a little, a little, a little heat to them. These have some like actual spice to them. And that's what I want. I could have eaten that whole bag when I opened it. And they're, you know, they're cheese, right? So they're, you know, as healthy as a cheese snack gets. About 16 of them is a serving, 150 calories, a lot of salt, 420 milligrams of salt, three carbs for a serving, one gram of sugar, and 10 grams of protein for that. Like that's a healthy snack.
Everett Fresh jalapeno. Yes, how'd they do it? Yeah, that's really good. It tastes, well, it tastes like jalapeno jack is what it tastes like.
Andrew But it's like that fresh jalapeno flavor. Yeah. They nailed it. That's really good. I could, like I said, I could eat the whole bag. They're at Costco. I'm sure you can get them on the Amazon and I will be eating them. I love wisps.
Everett I'll be eating my body weight in these. As a fellow who's regularly eating low carb, those are really perfect snacks.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Delicious.
Andrew That's my other thing, the jalapeno popped wisps.
Everett What you got for me? I've got another thing.
Andrew I don't think I believe you.
Everett I've got another thing, but it's a little bizarre.
Andrew You cannot advertise your OnlyFans on the show.
Everett I have, I talked about this recently, but this is like, it's actually happened. I've gotten into the world of vintage golf clubs, Andrew.
Andrew Oh yeah. You have talked about this before.
Everett I've gotten into the world of vintage golf clubs and it's so, you know, other things was always meant to be like, you know, like, Oh, here's the thing I bought. Right. Or a thing I like. Or a thing I like. But my favorite other things that we've ever had on this show are when someone talked about a thing that they were into and they talked about why they were into it. So that's kind of what I'm going to do this week. I know it's a little unconventional. I can give you a thing that I've bought if you need one, Andrew.
Andrew Well, I need to put a link in the notes, but let's put a link back to the show, to the episode.
Everett Bigger picture, I'm like, you know, I've, I've bought a driver this year, which I'm really happy to have it. It's beautiful. I love it. I hit it real really long way.
Andrew And has been replaced by a vintage driver. It has not been yesterday.
Everett It has not been. In fact, I would say driver is the one area in which certainly in the last 20 years, let's say that the technology has just come so far in terms of forgiveness.
Andrew Well, and composition and. Yeah. Like actual metallurgy.
Everett That's right. That's right. So, so driver more so than any other area of the game. But when you look back, putters, very little has happened.
Andrew Except for the belly putters for a while there.
Everett Sure. Wedges, very little has happened. irons, there's been some stuff that has happened in the last like 20 years, right? You know, the way that they're constructing cavities and the way that they're doing metals. Um, there have been some really terrific irons that have come on, but we're talking about marginal, marginal stuff.
Andrew Okay. And, and the, the highest degree club is still a blade. It's still a forged blade.
Everett Yeah. Although I think you'll find that even most guys on the tour aren't using, aren't using like true blades these days. Everybody's using a little bit of forgiveness. Uh, maybe not, I shouldn't say most, but there are a lot of guys on the tour using what we'd call like one piece players cavities or whatever.
Andrew So, uh, plan your cavity.
Everett All that to say, there's really a lot of, cool club technology that's happened in the last, let's say 30 years, that has this like cult appeal to it. And golf clubs, maybe unlike watches, golf clubs don't have that like intrinsic value, that intrinsic money value, right?
Andrew Oh, they do, but they don't hold it the same way. That's what I mean. No one's breaking their watch over their knee.
Everett So you can, I mean, if you're smart, if you're smart, you can go back. Let's exclude the driver for a second. You can go back 20 years. So to 2004 and you can find clubs as good as anything ever made and you can get everything in really good condition. I'm talking putter, wedge, irons. You can get everything for like 500 bucks. And you can have like the greatest equipment ever made for 500 bucks. And not only is it not only is it really good equipment, it's really cool. So meanwhile, I'm a guy that's got thousands of dollars of golf equipment. that I can use, like just go out and like, Oh, I'm going to play around with my thousands of dollars of golf equipment. And I still am like, I just bought an $85. No, it wasn't even that much. It was a $45 three wood that was made in 2002. I've just bought this and it's being shipped to my house now. I'm eyeing irons. from like 2002 that I'm going to buy. Like I have the bug hard, Andrew. I'm going to put together like a full set of vintage clubs and I'm going to do it for almost nothing and they're going to be like the coolest clubs ever made.
Andrew I think I take issue with your use of the word vintage being 2004. Let's say retro.
Everett So I will accept retro, but, but a lot of people refer to that like late nineties, early two thousands age as the golden age of golf, because that's when the technology sort of peaked in that.
Andrew That's right. That's right.
Everett It can only get so good. And so you've got these 20 year old pieces of equipment now that sell for a song, right? So the three wood I just bought, I think in 2004 when it was sold, it was like a $220 club. So like a 400 ish dollar club. Correct. Correct. That I picked up in almost new condition or very good condition according to second swing, uh, or above average is their rating scale, which means that it's hit twice thrown once it's been hit a little bit. Right. But it's basically like a brand new club effectively that I've gotten for 40 bucks, which at the, I mean, this is, as good a piece of equipment has ever made, right? No, it might not be quite as forgiving as something you'd buy in 2024, or it might not have quite the same like baffling on the inside to affect acoustics. There's there are going to be some differences.
Andrew Woods or can can almost fit into the category of drivers though in the technology advancements, not to the same degree. I haven't hit it.
Everett I haven't hit it. And so Who knows what's gonna happen with it. But I'm super excited. I think that's what my other thing is. I am so excited about this. Part of that is just me wanting to buy stuff. This is another thing I can spend money on and it doesn't feel like a lot of money. But I'm so excited about it. I'm like pumped. I'm pumped to put together my golden age bag that I'm gonna be able to game when I don't wanna game my super expensive stuff. Like what is wrong with me? Nothing. I love this about me, but also like, what is that?
Andrew You're going to have to feel out the swing of each club. Oh, this is my, it's my 2004 nine iron. I got to play it like this.
Everett The next acquisition is going to be Mizuno Blades from the early 2000s. I'd get those. I've got to find a set that's in good enough condition, but I know what I'm going to get.
Andrew I'd go, I'd spend some money on some early 2000s blades. So like, cause like I have giga golf clubs, which are like rip off of Nike the year prior. So I paid, I don't know, 400 bucks for my irons and wedges. And I have a couple. Sure. They're like knockoff. Yeah. They're like knockoffs. Yeah. They just use the expired patent or whatever. Um, and they play fine. They do the thing that I want. Like I have, I have a Callaway wedge in my bag that I just, threw the giga golf one into my like debris bag because I just play the Callaway one better. But I guess I don't get the same itch for like the cool thing but I would do that for for blades to to play blades because I don't want to spend a bucket load of money on blades.
Everett Well I'll just say Andrew and I played 18 the other day and we played a short course because it was like 106 degrees. It was it was every bit of 106 degrees. And so we played a short course. I I would say I have four times as expensive equipment as Andrew. I hit the ball a lot better than Andrew. I'm sorry. I hope you don't mind saying that. You absolutely did. I hit the ball a lot better than Andrew, but he tied me after we were tied because Andrew's like a player, right? He chips and putts. And so it, it, it, it strikes, it strikes me that with cheap knockoff clubs and a, and a putter, Andrew's able to, I mean, they're like Nike cavity there.
Andrew I don't remember what the Nike clubs are, but it was when Nike golf was a thing.
Everett They're cheap knockoff clubs, right?
Andrew Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Everett So, so the point is you don't need $1,300 irons in order to play good golf and have fun. Um, and this is, it just really strikes me as something that a lot of people who are listening to the show that are like put off by like retail golf industry, but kind of like the idea of the sport, it just seems like a fun way that someone could get into golf. Do so relatively cheaply and do so in a cool way.
Andrew Oh yeah. Do early two thousands or like honestly gig golf is cheap knockoff. You're going to spend 400 bucks on what is effectively like a 700, $800 set of clubs.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. And that's obviously an option too. It's not even a terrible option. There's a Maltby I think is making great entry level clubs. There's a brand called Tacoma. They're not entry level, but they're, There are a lot of brands making really really cool stuff for not a lot of money, but this to me seems way more like It's wait. It's a people that are into watches that will listen to a Hour-long podcast about watches. It seems to me like this is something that a lot of these people could be like, you know What it's way more fun. That's not sure fun. I'm gonna hunt for a piece I'm gonna figure out what piece of equipment I want I'm going to hunt for one that's in the condition I want, with the shaft I want, with the swing weight I want, and everything. I'm going to find this. I'm going to re-grip it with some period crap grips or some modern grips, because I like modern grips. This is just a lot of fun you can have, both in the acquisition side and in the playing side, for not a ton of money.
Andrew Because, yeah, golf is fun. And no one's good at golf.
Everett No one's good at golf.
Andrew We talked about this when we played. No one's good at it. And it's OK.
Everett We're all bad at it.
Andrew It's still fun.
Everett Yeah. So anyway, that's my other thing for the week. Uh, it's not really a thing, although I will say the, the three iron I picked up is an original ping.
Andrew Is it an iron or wood? You said wood earlier. No, I said iron.
Everett Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Did I just say iron? Yeah. The club I picked up is a ping rapture, the original ping rapture, 14 degree three wood that I've just picked up. It's supposedly a T monster. It's not necessarily a like turf. monster. So not something you're going to want to hit off the turf necessarily, but off the tee, it's like a great second option. If you're, if you've got a narrow fairway or you've got trouble that's at your driver distance, it's something that you can hit a little bit more conservatively, but still get a ton of distance.
Andrew Yeah. It's a, it's a good angle on it.
Everett I'm hoping to hit this thing like 220, 230, get it up there. But if there's the, you know, trouble at 250 or if it's a narrow fairway, give myself a little bit more, a little bit more accuracy, a little bit less distance. So anyway, you don't care about the actual club or maybe you don't care about it.
Andrew I care about the actual club more. Yeah.
Everett Anyway, that's all I have, Andrew.
Andrew That's we've done it as, as our, as we are known to do.
Everett As we've done once or twice. Hey, uh, thank you for joining me, Andrew.
Andrew You're welcome. This episode. Thanks for being in my home.
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Andrew Bye bye.