Nivada Gets Smol (296)

Published on Wed, 26 Jun 2024 22:24:42 -0700

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This podcast episode discusses various new watch releases and models from brands like Circula, Oris, Beaucroft, and Nevadas Grenchen. The hosts share their thoughts and opinions on the designs, specifications, and pricing of these watches. They also briefly discuss the Apple TV show "Presumed Innocent" and the hosts' preferences for camp chairs.

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Andrew	Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20 The Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett	Just terrific. Terrific. First game of summer baseball tonight. One of my boys hit an inside the park home run. which is always fun to see. It's exciting. Uh, it was a little chilly. So other than that, it was like very much.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	A touch of a brisk wind. Yeah, that that's right. But other than that, it was like, Oh, okay. We're playing summer ball. Um, yeah, I'm doing well, man. Just working. I settled three major lawsuits this week. Um, most of that through sort of, as you, as you like to say,
Andrew	Brute force and repetition. Solution to most of life's problems.
Everett	Yeah. Which professionally is huge, right? Settling three cases. But it also is... Now you have to find three new cases. Right. Right. I'm putting myself out of a job a little bit. That's fine. There's always, there's always, always, always more work. But yeah, I mean, it was just like I was feeling really, really overwhelmed. two weeks ago, three weeks ago with the amount of stuff I had coming up and they're all, everything's gone. Everything's just done.
Andrew	Do you like shuttering up the business then?
Everett	No, no.
Andrew	I mean, but you know what I mean? The big, the 50 meter targets are all down.
Everett	That's right. You've got these, these three, you know, where you've got like a set of things that is really going to take a lot of your attention in the coming months and It's just like, well, maybe I'll, uh, maybe I'll plan a golf retreat.
Andrew	Watch, watch some stuff on your frame. Yeah, that's right. Well, Olympics are coming up. They are. I mean, the trials are ongoing. Yeah. Yeah.
Everett	Olympic trials here in Eugene, Oregon. The track and field Olympic trials are in Eugene, Oregon. It's been fun seeing athletes around town.
Andrew	Snoop Dogg was in town. Yup. One of my coworkers got a, his daughter got a high five from Snoop cause they just happened to be passing through the gate at the same time.
Everett	Cool.
Andrew	Yeah. Cool. One of my other coworkers begrudgingly got a high five from Colin Kaepernick, who was also here. Was he? I wonder what he's doing here. Watching. Yeah. Because he was a track athlete also, wasn't he?
Everett	I think he was a baseball player. Was he? I mean, shit, I don't know. He might've been a track athlete. He doesn't run like a track athlete if you ask me, but I could be wrong.
Andrew	Yeah. I mean, I don't disagree, And also like he's in that sphere. Yeah. Why not? Like he's more, he's more aligned with track and field than any of the other, uh, trials going on in the country right now.
Everett	Uh, I think Monday or Tuesday was my 18th wedding anniversary. And we went to a Thai restaurant here in town called Sabai, which is very, very good. And Shakari Richardson was there. No shit. Yeah. I didn't talk to her or high five her. Why not? Because she's probably all doped up.
Andrew	Probably. And she could stab you with her fingernails. I'm always shocked by like her fingernails.
Everett	Yeah. You know, this trials seemed like she went with like maybe a more subdued aesthetic. Like maybe she was like business.
Andrew	Well, she's four years older. She's matured a little bit. She had like got to come in with a little bit. She didn't have to come in with a panache so much as a chip on her shoulder. Her mere presence was the show. Yeah. Yeah.
Everett	Did you watch that hundred meter final?
Andrew	I didn't watch. any. I've watched some of like the highlights and replays and I watched, um, what's his name? Not lions. Um, no allow. Yeah. No Lyles. I watched his a hundred meter and was like, fuck that guy's fast. He's fast. Yeah. I saw the interview with the 16 year old. Who's like, yeah, fuck it. Whatever. I like, I'm still running as fast as these guys. And I'm a kid. Yeah.
Everett	Like shit. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I'm, I'm a big track and field guy. I know that you are also a track and field guy. I think that comes, That comes from having grown up in Eugene or having been in Eugene.
Andrew	Yeah. I shit at this point probably the majority of my life here.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's true for me as well. So, you know, it's just track and it's Tracktown USA, man. It's Tracktown. But yeah, we're not here to talk about Olympic trials or 100 meter champions or anything of the sort. Rather, we could. Oh, fine though. Rather, we're here to talk about yard tools. specifically lawnmowers and weed walkers like we always do.
Andrew	We're also going to sprinkle on a little bit of the best feeding practices for a healthy green lawn.
Everett	I could provide some, I could provide some intel on this.
Andrew	You could. Every time you come over and you look at my lawn, you're like, you know, you could do this, that, and the other thing. I'm like, I don't, I'm not going to fucking do that. If you come over and do it for me, I'm happy, but no, I'm not going to be doing that right now. I have the awning on my, trailer open just so when I have to sit in the front yard to watch the kids, I have shade.
Everett	No, we're here to talk about watches, Andrew. We talk about watches. That's what we talk about. Today is a watches day. We're going to talk about watches. Today is a watch day. Wednesday watch day. And we're going to talk about some new shit that came out. And Andrew, did we have any overlap?
Andrew	No, because I was, uh, I worked a touch later than I had expected and it got home to a little bit of chaos. So you sent me your stuff and then. I pulled down all the things that I'd kind of like compiled and I nixed out the things that were overlap.
Everett	All right. All right. Fine.
Andrew	There was some fine there. There were only a couple of overlapping items that I removed from my, from my queue, but yeah, yes, it was.
Everett	Is that a cocaine reference? Um, well, why don't you go, why don't you kick us off here?
Andrew	I'm going to, I'm going to kick us off with a brand that we don't talk about very often. Um, and I, you know, I go, yeah. And I don't know why we don't talk about them very often. I want to talk about the circular pro flight. And I think the reason we don't talk about circular is because they, um, have a really solid core line. We see some kind of new stuff. But frankly, Circula is a little boring and they do really subtle like, Oh, by the way, we released this new thing and it's pretty okay. Except it's also releases. So the new Circula pro flight, um, as we've said on the show before, you know, going to wind up a couple of years ago, Circula was a brand that I was most excited to get my hands on. Cause I kind of like Circula and Serica were the two that I was like, you know, There's something here and I don't think I'll get it until I put my hands on these watches. And the moment you do, you're like, oh, oh, duh. Obviously now I get it. Ferrer kind of fell into that category for me because somehow photography just doesn't capture the way that Ferrer, um, plays with color in person. But circular was very much like that. These are attractive, kind of boring, kind of boring isn't even the right word. They're really subtle watches that have a ton of cool shit packed into them that you don't really appreciate until you're with them in person. So this pro flight is, uh, number one, it's lovely. It's perfectly boring. It's got a Roman numeral 12. It's just like,
Everett	It's just, it, no, it. Unmute myself. I would not call this boring.
Andrew	No, it is. And I'm saying it not in a, like a disparaging way. I'm saying it in like, this is a way, this is a watch that I really like, which means that it is boring, right? There's nothing weird about it. There's nothing super exciting about it except for everything. So.
Everett	Everything's weird and exciting. There's nothing normal on this watch. Case is.
Andrew	The hands. Three one six L steel. 40.6 diameter, 45.8 lug to lug, 13.6 thick with the crystal, 12 without, so it's a little thick. Dome Sapphire, Sellita SW200, 150 meters of water resistance. They're going for those 11 points. These are coming in at about 1100 euros on a bracelet and they are great. The silhouette on this case is fantastic. They have this this textured cutout, which is as a, as a thing that circular does great angles on the case. This is not a watch that you see at a distance and recognize and appreciate. This is a watch that you have to have on your wrist, 18 inches from your face to be like, Holy shit, this is fucking cool. Double pips at the, at the 12 o'clock. It's not actually Roman numeral X. That was a mistake on my part. Um, It's got the Flieger V and double dots. Flieger. Texture outer ring on the dial. Great sword hands. The, um, the orange on the second hand is, I don't know, 40% of the second hand from the balance to you know, from the full length of the second. So the color is kind of offset of where you'd expect it on a second hand, which is... It holds that orange, like in the center of the dial the entire time, which grabs that ProFlight font that's at the 12 o'clock. This is really good. Great polishing, polished edge on that, on the bevel on the bezel. This is my shit, man. This is the kind of attention to detail, which is why I say it's boring, right? Everything about it is good. And the things that you wouldn't think needed to be good are good. And you're like, Oh, I really want that kind of finishing. I really want like these kinds of dimensions, these angles and circulars delivering on the little details, you know, circular,
Everett	For me, you said it right in pictures. I don't think, I don't think this translates super well in pictures. Um, it is a brand that looks to me a little like aviate in pictures and so not that. And when, and look, I like aviate, I don't think there's anything wrong with aviate. Um, but they make sort of lower end watches, entry level watches. They make,
Andrew	high production watches. And I, and I think that's, that's an important distinction to make for a brand to do high production. You're, you're eating, you're cutting costs somewhere.
Everett	And so, you know, seeing circular in pictures only. And then, you know, I think we, I think when we went to wind up the last time in New York, it was like, Well, um, this is a brand we're kind of excited to see, but in my mind, I'm thinking, well, I, this is, this is interesting, but it looks 88 ish. But the, I mean, really it's just night and day. The quote again, not taking anything away from maybe eight, the quality of this watch is so apparent when you, when you pick it up, I will say, um, uh, I will say that, that circular does bigger watches. Right. These are not sort of new school small watches. Everything.
Andrew	They're working in that utility tool watch zone very much like Boulder. That's right. Or kind of that ilk of angular hard. Yeah. Like multi-tool EDC kind of space.
Everett	And I mean 40.6 millimeters. So it's not crazy but 13.6 thick. And like you said everything's really angular and kind of chunky. Um, but yeah, with that coarse grain texture, everything is just really, really, really excellently done tip to tail. So, um, I think, I think circular is terrific. I do not think this is a boring watch. In fact, I think this is almost the opposite of a boring watch. In fact, I think for my taste, it's maybe a little too interesting.
Andrew	Like there's too much going on here. Oh no, this is, This is a details watch.
Everett	Well, yeah, absolutely. I mean, it is, but, but that's not the same, but that's not boring. That's, I think that's what I'm muted, discreet, gray man.
Andrew	I don't know what you want from me.
Everett	They're muted and discreet. Do not, these are not adjectives that describe this watch.
Andrew	What adjectives are you going to use to describe this watch?
Everett	Complicated, bombastic, detailed. I,
Andrew	Are we looking at the same watch? I don't disagree with those adjectives, but I also don't think that those are the appropriate ones to describe it. Hold the fuck on. Because these are the, the, oh. Hold on, I was just looking at a picture.
Everett	I closed it. I was just looking at a picture. You guys are not going to get the benefit of this. I'm going to show Andrew a picture and I'm going to show him a picture that specifically.
Andrew	If it's a picture of your dick, I will slap you.
Everett	This is not boring.
Andrew	It's because no, it is. It's at a distance. This is a closeup. This is a, you must see it in the metal.
Everett	You're going to, and you at home in your car, Andrew's full of shit. We all know it. We're just going to move on.
Andrew	We're going to move on.
Everett	I'm going to talk about a watch. This is boring, but that I still want a lot.
Andrew	So in other, in other news, We are holding open auditions. How much are these? A thousand bucks? A thousand, uh, 1100 Euro on a, on a bracelet. So a thousand bucks.
Everett	Yeah. Which is a good, I mean, it's a good price. And the bracelet is.
Andrew	For what you're getting at a circular, like there, there's very few brands that I'm like, I don't care if you've never seen it in the metal, this is worth every penny you spend on it. If it's a watch that you look at and you're attracted to, uh, you know, cause, You get what you pay for and and you really make the value of the watch but you know very much like Manta where I would say without reservation that the dollar value that you spend on Manta on Christopher Ward on circular You're not gonna be even remotely disappointed even if you've never seen him in the metal when they show up They're gonna be everything you expected and perhaps more.
Everett	Yeah Yeah. I mean, I don't put, I actually don't put Circula in the same category as Manta, probably not even Christopher.
Andrew	Not in the category, but in the way of the, the bang for your buck.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. That's right. But, but I think you just kind of have to know what you're getting into, right? If you're, if you're looking for something really sort of refined.
Andrew	It's not that this isn't that right. Like just like, I think, I think boulders is even in that zone of like, if you like boulder and you like that aesthetic, But you maybe want just a little bit more refinement. Yeah. I think you're there, but Boulder, you're going to get, there's nothing about that watch. When it arrives and you open the box, you're going to be like, Oh shoot. I wish this was a little different. This will the, they blew me out of the water when I finally put my hands on them.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. I had the same experience. Andrew Omega. Oh, Omega is a Swiss watch company. They make a fuck ton of watches. Did you know that they have more than a hundred catalog iterations of the Aqua Terra?
Andrew	I'm, I'm surprised that it's that few.
Everett	So we talked about the Paul Walter Mondo Duplantis Olympic release a few weeks ago. I think it was kind of an aside. It was like, yeah, this is cool. It was cool. Yeah, it was, it was a neat color way. So with a hundred variations, over a hundred variations of the Aqua Terra, one thing they have never done, is a flat black dial.
Andrew	That shocks me. It's crazy to think about, right? It's one of those editions that's like, oh, we should have been doing this the whole time. But by the way, this is a new release. Hey, it's here in blue.
Everett	But it's not. It's black. So the Aqua Terra comes in three sizes, 34, 38, and 41. And Omega has released all three of these for the first time ever, for any of these, in a flat black dial. Now, there are black Aquaterras, let's just be really clear. Yeah, there's a lacquered one. Well, no. There are black dialed Aquaterras, but up to now, they've all been a teak dial. And so this is the first time there's ever been a... And I like a teak dial, Andrew. Who doesn't, but there's, or, you know, I think they've had a wave dial in the past, but this is the first ever flat black dial and it's a lacquer dial and it's gorgeous. So all three sizes, the 38 and the 41 are very, very similar. We're talking about a minute track, trapezoidal in to see trapezoidal date window at six Aqua Terra. It looks, it's an Aqua Terra. Okay. Um, but with a very deep, dark, glossy black flat black not not flat in terms of matte that's right yeah a glossy but but untextured dial um the 38 and 41 again minute track trapezoidal indices and they've also released this in the 34 which has like the coffin shape indices and a circular date window um they're like really soft coffins though they're like almost teardrop maybe like Yeah. I think they might call them sailboat indices. Oh, I can get with that. Yeah. I can't remember what they call these. Um, let's see if I can figure this out. Um.
Andrew	Boat hole shaped hour markers.
Everett	Boat hole. Well, the boat hole is the, Oh, boat hole.
Andrew	Interesting. Not hole, hole, like the outside of a ship. Yeah. Yes, I understood. I was saying it for people who are listening and not looking.
Everett	You're welcome. So, and, and yeah, there it's like, anyway, it's a, it's a coffin shaped indice. Uh, definitely a little bit softer on the 34 probably for obvious reasons. Um, sorry, y'all with dainty wrists. They've got terrific bracelets, brushed, uh, a three link brushed outs, outer links, uh, polished interlinks. I mean, this is just an Aqua Terra, but it's notable that it's an Aqua Terra with a flat black case dial. That's what I mean. Um, a couple of things. So all three of these have chronometer, master chronometer, um, automatic movements, the 8,900 and the 41 millimeter and the 8,800 in the 38 and 34 I actually don't know the difference between the 8900 and the 8800 movement, maybe just size. Um, because they're all 60 hour power reserve master chronometer movements. Um, but there is a note here that I was like, Ooh, these supposedly have a butterfly clasp, which pursuant to the website has a comfort setting. Does that mean that this is a micro adjustable butterfly? I don't know. I don't know the answer and I don't doubt you will either. Uh, but that was interesting. The, the RP on these is 7,300 euro, which is a lot of money. That's a lot of money.
Andrew	That's 6,600 American dollars on the website that I'm looking at right now. 6,600 American money. Okay, well that's in the zone.
Everett	It's down actually. It's a lacquer dial. Lacquer's not like enamel or whatever. It's fucking just paint. But it's still,
Andrew	has to get applied.
Everett	Yeah. I mean, it doesn't matter what kind of coating it has. Lacquer is not, I mean, anyway, it does feel to me like there's a bit of a, like Omega's goose to the prices on these a little bit.
Andrew	I'm wondering, there's, there's something here to put like a dive extension. Like, I'm not saying this is what I'm seeing in the bracelet, but there's something here to be able to put a small dive extension inside of a butterfly clasp to be your kind of micro-adjusting mechanism.
Everett	Well, you know, Christopher Ward has just introduced their micro-adjustable. Maybe that's the new thing.
Andrew	I want to see one in person. I really like these. And I have to say, in the Aqua Terra specifically, I really like the proportions of the 41 over the 38. I don't know what it is, just the dial proportions look better to me. Let's, let me see. Side by side. Let me see. I think I like the 41 better, and that's not something I think- It's got more negative space. Yeah, and with black you want that negative space to really capture the black. It looks like they used the same size everything on the 38 and 41, and I know we're talking about three millimeters here, but when we're also talking about only 41 millimeters, almost 10% difference. Yeah.
Everett	Well, and I will say these are, these are pretty big watches. So I think 13 and a half on both of these. So, and you know, that's 150 meters of water resistance, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But these are, oh, the 38 is only 12.8. Interesting. Interesting.
Andrew	That didn't make sense.
Everett	But in this in the black iteration because typically I prefer the 38 but in the black iteration this black I like the 41 better You know, I've oftentimes told the story about how the watch that got me into watches was a Tag Heuer 2000 Aquaracer But this was number two for me was a white dialed. Mm-hmm. No way. It was a white dialed Aqua Terra. It's a tile That was my second that was my second love it's interesting to me that I've never purchased either of those because they still hold those feelings about both of those watches.
Andrew	I have recently gotten on a Seamaster Infatuation. Like a Seamaster 300? Yeah, 300. I've been on an Infatuation. I feel like I like the 41 over a 36, though I like the 36. Oh no, you don't want a 36. You wouldn't love that watch. No, I would, but I don't think it like I think it would be one of my first watches that ever goes out the door. The first watch that would go out the door. Yeah, you want the 41. I love it. I really like this watch. I want the 38 and the 41.
Everett	Is that greedy? No. It seems unrealistic to me, but perhaps.
Andrew	What's next? Okay, next up for me. This is a brand that we've never talked about. I kind of get why. It's the Code 41 Unify. The title is Code 41 Unify Calls for Tolerance, Equality, and Diversity. And while I don't disagree with those things, that's not what caught my attention of this watch. I see the headline, and I look at the watch, and I was like, hmm, that's kind of interesting. I'm not familiar with Code 41, even a little bit. And even after having read this article, looked at this watch quite a bit. I didn't even go to their website. Cause you know, I just didn't. So this is a 2016 brand that, that says that it's from lose who loves on. Yeah, I think so. I think that's right. Claudio Demore set his brand apart through transparency, community engagement, and fair pricing. I'm surprised that this brand has never grabbed my attention before cause it's, generally interesting and it's doing not just like cool watch things but just kind of cool world things. What caught my attention was that this like very 60s, 70s integrated sport watch looked really good. Great angles on it, like very much playing into what the, what Tissot has done with the PRX and what the kind of market has done to follow this vintage inspired steel integrated sport watch look, but this one was like just a little bit more interesting to me. Uh, there's all manner of, uh, dial options on this with a nine, nine o'clock, small seconds. Uh, this blue dial that's featured in the, um, in the header of the article is kind of a small second sector dial. The case shape is good. The angles are right. And it just did it for me. It's a 38 millimeter case. It's 10.1 thick, 45 lug to lug. So it's just this really compact kind of blocky.
Everett	Yeah, that's a great word for a blocky. Yep.
Andrew	Shocker, 316L steel. I don't understand why brands even bother putting 316L in there anymore. Like it's just the generally accepted thing. If you're doing something different, then highlight it. But if not, like I'm wearing two shoes today, like everyone else.
Everett	Well, I will say, I do think it is important to say that it's steel, but I don't, I, what I don't understand is saying, is saying that it's 316. Like, I don't, I don't think that there are any, that there are any factories, but for, so, so I think there's a, but for, there's some factories that are set up to use 904. And proprietary. But everybody else is set up and tooled to use 316. So like, just say it's stainless.
Andrew	Like, like everyone else is using, like, it's, I would like to get a metallurgist on the show to talk to us about maybe why 316 is the thing?
Everett	Well, I think it's toolability. I mean, I think that's what it is. But why did it become the industry standard? I think it's the combination of hardness and flexibility and toolability, right? It's easy to tool. It's got incredible corrosion resistance. I mean, 316 is a fantastic steel, right? If you don't need to hold an edge, it's a fantastic steel. Super easy to tool. Yeah. It's got terrific corrosion. I mean, terrific corrosion resistance. Like it is. Yeah. It's like saltwater proof. Perfectly stainless. Yeah. And so it's just a really beautiful steel for general applications. And that's what everybody's set up to tool, right?
Andrew	Yeah. I don't disagree with any of your positions, but like I want to understand the why. More than the big picture why. Um, SW 290 movement pre-order now, um, 1300, I don't know, 1,490 euros, 1,380 bucks. This is an intriguing watch to me. They're, they're, um, this is a brand that I'm going to spend some time learning more about cause they do a bunch of one-off, um, kind of street art dials to, you know, in the interest of, as, as described above tolerance, equality, and diversity, um, kind of in that, in that like art deco street art vein, it's certainly intriguing, but what really grabbed me was that I love this case design, the dial design, the dial layout. I haven't looked at all the available dials, nor do I, um, care for, you know, in this moment, but this is, this was an intriguing watch. This like little tiny block that sits atop your wrist is really attractive.
Everett	Yeah, no, it's interesting. I like it. I don't, I do think it's too angular for me. I don't think I would like that longterm, but it's interesting.
Andrew	I'd like to have one for, for like, The ones are twice a month, like, that's what I'm feeling today.
Everett	Where, you know, I, I had in my possession of LaSable or LaSable or whatever.
Andrew	LaSable. It was real fancy. Uh, you know, though their, their bezel was different. They had a, like a, uh, it's like an octagon or a decagon. Yeah. Like a 10 sided bezel in conjunction with this blocky case. And that was a bridge too far for me. choose one or the other for me.
Everett	I didn't connect with that watch at all. I didn't either. And it was wide, but also kind of like, I was just like, you know what? I see it. I feel what you're doing, but not for me.
Andrew	Yeah. It was doing a little too much for me.
Everett	Yeah. What you got? Vero introduced a 38 millimeter open water. They sure did. 38 millimeters, 10-7 wide, stainless steel, open water. Yeah, it's a 38 millimeter open water. 12-hour bezel, which is different from the original. The color ways are just phenomenal. Some sort of media blasted case. with cerakoted bezel. Yes. Yeah, it's a 38 millimeter open water, which, yeah, it's cool, man. It's cool.
Andrew	It's very cool. So the two colorways available are a, don't add to cart or maybe do, I don't know, a not quite neon, yellow, like lime green is maybe the right way to describe this.
Everett	I would call, I would call it chartreuse. That's what I'm going to go with, but they're calling it swell.
Andrew	Well, which is, which is a Seiko way to describe a color. That's not a color description. Chartreuse? Colors. No, no, no. Swell is not a color description.
Everett	Oh, but that's their naming convention. So they've released the swell and cove, which are open water terms.
Andrew	I understand how it works, but I also, Like, if it's green, I want you to tell me that it's green. And this is somewhere between green and yellow. It is super good. And this, like, eggshell-y, creamy white is also really good. Yeah. And the Cerakote, I really hope more brands start utilizing Cerakoting in their bezels, because Cerakote's such a cool color. The way it holds color is so unique to Cerakoting, and I want to see more of that.
Everett	So the original Open Waters came out. There was, I think, a St. John's Bridge color. They were all sort of Portland-themed. These are more openly themed. all of these have a color matched bezel and dial, which the original open waters, the 41 millimeter open waters, I should say, had a, um, had a, um, black bezel over the dial. And these have, uh, these, the, the big color block I think is a really interesting look. Um, because, especially with the chartreuse, but also with the cove, the white, that creamy white cove, it's like pretty striking, especially you see these pictures kind of taken from a distance and it's like, whoa, what is going on here?
Andrew	And the way the bezel overlaps and extends beyond the case, it makes the watch look big, especially with big crown guards. Like I bet it feels like a 38, but it, it looks every bit of a 42.
Everett	Yeah. Well, and, and I remember thinking that the original open water was a little big and, and then actually experiencing it not being terribly large. So, um, these are affordable. They're 800 bucks. They have a Nodex clasp. Um, fuck man. Yeah.
Andrew	I dig it. SW 200 movements. Yeah, that's right.
Everett	Uh, yeah. The first batch I think is still available and it's shipping immediately. So you can just go on the website and order one.
Andrew	They begin. Oh, they begin shipping today. Today. Yeah. So they're yesterday for you listening.
Everett	They are they're releasing in these batches. All of them are going to ship in the next month. So even if you get on. I mean, I think you're going to be able to get these. I think they've made it up. You're going to be able to get them.
Andrew	Oh, these look good. I could have gone for a little bit of loom in the bezel, but you know, I, I'm not, I'm not super disappointed that there's not. Yeah.
Everett	It is what it is, Andrew.
Andrew	Yeah. And it is good. What's next? Uh, next up for me. Ooh. I want to talk briefly about a Zenith release. The France only Zenith Defy Skyline Edition Paris for you heathens out there. Um, it's a Zenith Defy and it's great. Uh, but here's, here's what got me tuning in. This is my absolute favorite colorway I've ever seen of this watch. It's this beautiful ombre kind of Jade. Jade black. It's fucking phenomenal. And it's France only. Like what the fuck kind of insult is that to the rest of the world? 10,000 euros. Uh, this is, this is like, if I'm going to buy one of these, it's this color way and it's France only. I've never heard of a France only like JDM, FDM, release
Everett	Gorgeous green. Why is this France exclusive?
Andrew	Is it an Olympic release? It has to be, but it's not specifically calling that out. At least that I can see. Yeah. But it's a gorgeous, gorgeous green. This is the best iteration I've seen of this watch.
Everett	Yeah, it doesn't look like there's anything on the back that would indicate the Olympics.
Andrew	Damn, 50 of them. I don't know. I wish that I wish this was a... They're only making 50 of these? Yeah, you'll never get one. I'll never get one. Hmm. Only 50 at 10 grand. Come on. Those will go in the blink of an eye. You can't set up a bot fast enough to buy this watch.
Everett	Wow. When do they go on sale?
Andrew	When do they go on sale? I don't know. Exclusively in Zenith physical and online boutiques in France. All right. Well, it's cool. What a mean release. Like their best colorway. We're making 50. So I said I want to talk about it briefly. I think it's just an absolutely gorgeous green and it's unobtainium.
Everett	Speaking of gorgeous greens, Andrew, we talked a couple of weeks ago or last week about the new caliber 400 or a diver 65 in the smaller in the smaller size. Am I saying that right? Yeah. The 38. Yeah. In the 38. And we're like, this is really cool. Caliber 400, blah, blah, blah. And then we're like, it's also a lot of money. Yeah. You know, it was, I think there was a question mark about what's Oris' plan with the Calibre 400. And I think with their release this week of a 40mm Oris 65 with the rebadged Sellita movement, is that we're going to use the Calibre 400 But we're also going to use our regular old movements that we source and put in watches so you can still afford them. So this is the Caliber 733 Rebadged Sellita SW200. You know what it is. I'm not going to talk about it. $2,400 or $2,300 or whatever this is on the AORUS website. It's not a lot of money.
Andrew	Um, $2,700 on the one I'm looking at.
Everett	Oh, well, there you go. So $2,700 USD.
Andrew	Do you think they run their prices on their website concurrent with exchange rates? Like they just are kind of fluctuating throughout the day and you got to play them like the markets.
Everett	Yeah. I don't know. I don't know about that. It's a good question, Andrew. And I don't know the answer. So the answer is no. The dial. Well, maybe not directly like day to day, but it could be that they, they change over time. Well, they're not changing. Yeah. Nevermind. Um, the dial on this is like, is like an, uh, uh, degrade or an ombre, uh, super subtle ombre though.
Andrew	Pistachio. Oh, interesting. But I was going to say moss.
Everett	As you get out to the minute track, it goes almost black. So in the middle, it's like a very pale pistachio. And then you get out to the, to the minute track. And it's like damn near black. And then you, and they top it with a really sort of dark olive foresty kind of burnt. Yeah, that's right. Like a burnt olive bezel. Um, this is a terrific color. It is such a good color. And it's an Oris Diver 65, uh, with an SW 200. So we can move on, but I just want to say this is a cool release. But the reason I wanted to talk about this is not because I'm like, Whoa, Oris, you do. Oh, is because I think it's, I think it's refreshing to see Oris do a full press and marketing on a watch with a Sellita movement after having just released their sort of caliber 400. Their like actual flagship. Bees knees version of this watch a couple weeks ago. They're like, oh, but we still got you. Yeah, don't worry. We still got you, Pors. Which that's me.
Andrew	Yeah. Thank you, Oris, for considering me.
Everett	So yeah, I do really like this watch. I have never liked it enough to seriously consider buying one, but I have a, uh, a weird aversion.
Andrew	I like that it's a hundred meters. I do too. But I have, I have a weird aversion to Oris born of a fella that I just, I like, I hope every morning when he wakes up, he steps on a Lego. Um,
Everett	Having an Oris watch. This is the worst person, like probably legitimately the worst person I've ever met. And he had an Oris Aquas on a Stingray. I'm sure we've talked about this on the show.
Andrew	We have. Yeah, he had an Oris Aquas on a custom Stingray, which was dope as fuck. And if anybody else on the planet Earth had one, I'd be an Oris fanboy like everyone else. It was him as a result. It's just like never, never. Oris could do some Innovative things in collaborating with other industries. And I'd still not be interested, which is a bummer because I, I really, I genuinely like everything that Oris does. Uh, but I hate it all at the same time. Uh, I did learn, uh, coincidentally when I talk about stepping on Legos in your bare feet, uh, bristle blocks, if you're unfamiliar with bristle blocks, um, they are little, they're, their blocks in different shapes, um, with tons of spikes on, on them. And they, the, the spikes fit in between each other to stick together. Unlike Legos that have just like their two pegs, um, or however many, you know, little pips they have on them to lock together. This has like bristles, imagine a hairbrush and how they would stick together. That's why they're called bristle blocks. Those are way fucking worse to stick. Oh, really? Yeah, I stepped on a Lego getting out of bed to go check on a crying kid the other night because for some reason there's Legos on the floor of my bedroom and on the way in to check on crying kid stepped on a bristle block It was worse That's your other thing. No. No, that's not my other thing. It was just it was just another thing Andrew what's next? Next up another brand I'm unfamiliar with saw the photographs of the watch and was just smitten. The Beaucroft Seeker 37mm. This is from Time and Tide. They do Micro Mondays. Title of the article is Beaucroft Seeker 37mm is a great example of why micro brands exist. I think I maybe wholeheartedly disagree with the title of the article, but I looked at picture of the watch. I was like, Oh, that's a, that's a gorgeous watch. So again, this is a super like top-down looking at it. Oh, that's like a refined sport watch tending towards dress. Really lovely, great top-down case shape, great crown shape. And you get into these pictures and you look at this case profile that's super sleek and sporty and has this like really beautiful cut through the case. And it's like, this is not off the shelf. Right. And I think this is maybe the, the 10 year evolution of what micro brands were circa 2015 where there were a lot of Um, new ish off the shelf watches. When we really see this proliferation of micro brands, we see some dudes like designing it themselves and other dudes making parts watches, right? And there, and it's not to say there's, there's anything wrong with parts watches cause there's a lot of really cool off the shelf parts watches that exist, right? We get to express that creativity and, and you know, design the thing that we want. But this is not that. This is the new age of micro-brands, if we'll call it that. I don't know if I like the term micro-brand anymore. I don't feel like it's representative of what's actually happening. It's a small brand. It's a new brand. It's a boutique brand. This is like a top to bottom, wholly designed by a person with an idea case. And I love to see that. And that's where, to use the term, micro brands are today. We still see parts watches, we still see catalog watches, we still see that and there's nothing wrong with it. Right? Like you, you go to, you go to Legoland and you design your Lego character from a bunch of catalog pieces and it's your character and it's cool. And some of them are cooler than others.
Everett	But I actually think that the space we live, we see very little of that where we live.
Andrew	Yes. But it exists still. And, and we see it. It's not, it's not the thing anymore, but this, this is the thing, right? This is what those people got us to. which is totally unique and totally within the confines of the weird restrictions that we watch people have established for watches. They have to have this, this, this, this look like this, do this. This is one of the most beautiful cases I've ever seen. Like this, this case for me stands, really close to a Saab case in the innovation and the finesse of that stepped lug case. This thing is a banger and top down, you're a little intrigued because of the kind of unusual like pyramid crown against this case shape. And then you get a profile view and everything fits. this is this is the dress sport watch 37 millimeter case 10 millimeters thick 50 meters of water resistance 90 39 movement 500 bucks i was blown away looking at this price because when i look at this case and i look at the design i'm like oh this can be a thousand dollar watch because you know i don't know what the finishing is actually going to be like it's got a a what appears to be a really lovely mirror polish around the bezel which is the really only thing visible top down. Teal dial, great handset and proportions of this of this dial. Not super jacked on the Beaucroft Cambridge logoing at the six o'clock but also you it's your watch you deserve to put your your branding on it. The logo is lovely. I loved everything about this watch. And for 500 bucks, I was like, this is, this is the thing. This is why we got excited about watches. And like I said, I don't know about the finishing. I don't know what it's like in the metal, but this is the kind of shit that got us super excited about this segment of watch design and production.
Everett	I present no arguments. It's a beautiful watch.
Andrew	Yeah. 18 millimeter lugs though. Come on, do better.
Everett	Do.
Andrew	The proportions are fucking phenomenal. Better. This is, this should be an 18 millimeter at 37. This is, this is as close as you're going to get to a dress watch when you're not a dress watch yet.
Everett	Um, I, so I do love that watch.
Andrew	That case, like sweeping kind of cut. Look, it'll be in the it'll be in the notes. This is the the this is the watch I'm most excited about that we're talking about tonight.
Everett	How thick is it?
Andrew	And 10 nuts. Yeah, 10 on the nuts.
Everett	I'm going to put my money this week. I'm going to save the money that you're going to spend on a Bowcroft and I'm going to I'm going to save for another month or two because there is a very sort of, it's not a similar watch. In fact, it's not even close to similar, but like fell asleep. Oh my God. It's a watch. That's going to do a lot of the same things. And I'm going to, I'm going to invest my money in a slightly different watch this week. Uh, Nevada, Nevada Grenchen, they released 35 millimeter super Antarctic and Antarctic spiders this week. Uh, The story of the Antarctic is that it was designed for an Antarctic expedition, Operation Deep Freeze, which was an expedition to the Antarctic conducted by U.S. scientists needing a waterproof anti-magnetic and automatic watch, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Andrew	I've never seen the Keep Frozen before, and it's the only novelty watch I've ever been like, I could buy that. It's got a big snowflake at the center of the dial.
Everett	So they've released these in 35 millimeters. So the original Antarctics were automatics because that was part of the specifications of Operation Deep Freeze. These are not. These are hand-wound Lander and 21 movements. which are beautiful but very thin movements, which allows these watches to come in at 10.1 thick with 50 meters of water resistance. Because they're Nevadas, you can get these on any type of bracelet and or strap that you so desire.
Andrew	Not right now. Notify me when available.
Everett	Well, they still have the beads of rice. Oh, yeah. It looks like they're sold out of a bunch of stuff.
Andrew	Because everyone's talking about it because this is the shit.
Everett	Yeah. But you can still get these on black racing, the brown racing, which are beautiful leather and a beads of rice, which the beads of rice is really terrific. Although the end links are a little long and kind of funny. But this watch, I think this watch actually really sings on the racing strap. It super does. It would sort of like a pebble, sort of like a pebble racing strap. And I think that that's where this watch belongs. If you get the Super Antarctic, you're going to get Mercedes hands. Just a lovely, lovely dial, full polished case. Are we going to call these, they're not quite, they're not, the lugs aren't twisted, but there's like a little bit.
Andrew	There's like a faux twist. There's a bevel on the inside of the, of the lug.
Everett	20 millimeter lugs and the lugs, come from outside to in so you actually have like probably like a 23 millimeter gap and then they and then they sort of like just go in um this is a terrific watch it is just an Antarctic right so if you're used to Antarctic but it's in a 35 millimeter size which i think is perfect you know the spider the spider version of this watch
Andrew	These things are just strap monsters, man. The bond clip looks so good on this. I think I go bond clip over beads of rice. I don't like the oyster. Um, that the, the links themselves are 30% too long.
Everett	You know, I think that is what you get with this watch.
Andrew	I mean, I think the design, but the bond clip on this is just fucking dope. And the spider is off the charts.
Everett	Uh, uh, aged, aged loom, which, okay. I've made my feelings clear.
Andrew	It's a combination of aged loom though.
Everett	I've made my feelings clear with the aged loom. Okay, so I got it. I know you got it. We don't have to talk about it. You can still get, you can get the spider on the flat link bracelet still, which is a beautiful, beautiful bracelet. Yeah. You know, I think the only objection I have to these watches is the diminutive crown.
Andrew	Yeah, on the 35 specifically.
Everett	And that's a design choice. But I think I would like a little bit beefier crown. But these are just absolutely gorgeous. And at 10 one thick, they're coming in at 850 on a bracelet just over 1000 on or 850 on a strap and just over I think just over a thousand on the bracelet.
Andrew	Yeah. And one, 1050 money.
Everett	Um, yeah, these are just absolutely gorgeous watches. And I, at 35, these are really special. I don't think you're seeing a lot of these, you know, is it just the spider that comes at 35? No, no. The super Antarctic and the spider are both available in 35 right now to day. Um, And the price is right.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	The the way these look is just perfect. Perfect. If you're looking for a 35 millimeter sport watch, these are great.
Andrew	And I might be looking for a 35.
Everett	Vaughn's Andrew Vaughn's.
Andrew	Yeah. These ones have ever mentioned that I like Vaughn's funds or are of, of, you know, marginal importance to Everett.
Everett	Thank you, Nevada, for giving me absolutely incredible fonts.
Andrew	Yeah. I always, in my head, Nevada Grenchen is always much more expensive when I think about that brand.
Everett	Yeah, no, I mean, they're super reasonable. They're coming in at super reasonable prices.
Andrew	They're in the zone. I don't like the riveted bracelet at all.
Everett	I don't either, but whatever, fuck it. Half the watches we've talked about tonight have riveted bracelets. Yeah, that's true. Andrew, we are getting close to time. Are there things you want to talk about? These would look great on a bond clip too. Can you get these on a bond clip? I don't know. I think if you just get one of these and put it on a bond clip, I think you'll be happy. Pay $850, get the racing, and then buy a bond clip to wear with it. A 20 millimeter bond clip, call it a day. Just fucking call it a day. Yeah. How much is a bond clip?
Andrew	Depends on who you buy it from. Is that right? Yeah. You can get them on the Amazon for like 16 bucks.
Everett	No, you get a real bond clip. Um, 95 bucks from Presidious.
Andrew	I don't know about theirs though. I feel like bond clips.
Everett	I think for the one Presidious sells is a bond clip bond clip.
Andrew	Uh, maybe. I mean, I'm not disputing that cause I don't know. Uh, I feel like because of the thinness of that bracelet, I'm, that's always what concerns me. The best bond clip I've ever put on from, from Serica. And I don't know who they're using. It's like paper thin.
Everett	Maybe bond clip. I always had it in my head that bond clip was a brand, but you're, I see what you mean. It depends on who you buy it from. Yeah. So you can buy them from Joseph Bonney for like, 110 euro. You can buy them from Serica for 150 bucks, which maybe is the way you want to go. You can get from Presidius for 95.
Andrew	Yeah, I can, I can vouch for the Serica Bunklip, uh, without any kind of reservation. The watch I really loved. Uh, but when I put it on, on that bracelet, I was, I was aroused. Yeah.
Everett	Okay. All right, moving on. Andrew, we are at an hour.
Andrew	Is there anything you just are dying to talk about? No, I closed the links already. I closed the windows.
Everett	I haven't closed the windows. Let me see. Uh, fine, fine, fine, fine. Yeah. Okay. We're good. We're good. We're good. I closed the windows. We're totally good.
Andrew	We're totally good. I write the notes. Other things. What do you got? Okay. So I, um, I try to make, like additions to my camping setup every year and some are more expensive than others. And I, this year decided to upgrade my camp chair setup because everyone knows you're sitting around a fire, you're sitting around, you're just sitting around, right? Like camping is just a lot of sitting because it's relaxing and it's awesome. I decided to upgrade, uh, my, my seating arrangement. Cause for the longest time I've used the like Walmart special or the Cabela's special, just typical, uh, you know, pack up into a little bag. And that's a little, what's the like an obelisk shape camp chairs, right? Cause they've got a cup holder. They're perfectly acceptable. They're not necessarily that comfortable, but they, they do the thing, right? You sit in the chair and you are just there and you're fine, but everyone, Everyone, everyone has the inclination when you're sitting in a chair like that to lean back and you push it back on two feet and you rock a little bit. And I saw last year at a youth soccer game, these people who had super small chairs, like, like the kind of packable, almost size, uh, camp chairs with pistons fixed on the back legs. And they, they provided a little bit of rock So this year I decided one of the things that I was going to upgrade was my camp seating setup. And I found these chairs called the, uh, they're made by a company called GCI outdoor and they are camp chairs with the same piston set up in the back that are really close to an actual rocking chair. So, You sit down, if you're sitting forward, there's two kind of front legs in the front that just let you sit like a normal. But if you sit back, it sits onto these two flat pieces with the pistons in the back and you're in a rocking chair. Now the only thing that I would critique on them is that they don't have like a super high head. Yeah, nothing to put your head against. So you can't like fully sit your head back and just rock. But you can kind of slouch down into it and you can just rock and it is fantastic. It's got a cup holder on the side. The only problem is if the beer is full and you're rocking with any kind of like any kind of rocking, it's rocking your beer about. So you got to take a good slug off of it when you open it just to, you know, mitigate that risk. But they are terrific. They're 70 bucks at REI. There's 70 bucks everywhere.
Everett	GCI is the brand du jour for baseball mom and dads. Yeah. Uh, so when you go to the baseball game, there's like, you'll see like 4,000 of these things. I've resisted buying them because we have camp chairs that we have.
Andrew	I have one set up in my dining room and when we when we cease recording, I want you to sit down on it.
Everett	And well, I've sat in this exact chair. In fact, I spent like the greater part of about four hours in that chair. And I was like, this thing is fucking rad.
Andrew	Yep. So that was my big that was me. I did a couple other like thing upgrades this year, but that was the one that I was most like Yeah, this is the thing. Cause you know, there's the, there's like the hammock chair that has like the two points of contact on, on the pyramids. No, that's just not it. Cause I don't, I want to be able to be stable. I don't always want to be moving. Uh, and this provides that even when you're set back on the piston, they're, they're stiff enough that it actually requires a little bit of push to, to get you rocking. Um, So this is what I went with, and I much prefer these to the really hard framed, you know, table on the side, as much as nice it is to have a table on the side. Just get a fucking table. These are great. But I do want to, I want a headrest and that's just not available in this thing.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're nice chairs though. And you know, I was, the thing I was curious about with these is serviceability on the, on the shocks.
Andrew	Yeah, I think they are probably a disposable and unserviceable shock, but I don't know. I mean, pistons like you, you can open them up and they seem to be like pretty standard size. I, I bet you could with a little bit of know-how and determination, make the repairs yourself. Nobody else is going to do them for you.
Everett	Have you ever seen the 1990s Harrison Ford movie called Presumed Innocent? It's probably been 20 years. I've never seen it. I've never seen it. I've never seen it. And I've never read the book. Never read the book. If you pay any attention to streaming, like what's hot in streaming, you've no doubt seen the Apple TV Show presumed innocent maybe not seen the show itself But seen references to it because I or the tile every time you go to rewatch Ted lasso It is one of the most popular streaming shows in the country right now. It is based on a book I believe from the 80s and then as Adapted into a Harrison Ford movie in the 90s They've made this into a show Apple TV has made this into a limited series. So one season only The premise of the show is a district attorney whose mistress turns up dead, and the prosecution of that.
Andrew	The show is... It goes one way. If the mistress turns up dead, it's like one person did that.
Everett	So Jake Gyllenhaal plays the starring role in this movie, and I I'm going to say something. I actually think Jake Gyllenhaal is not a good actor.
Andrew	That is an interesting position to take. But if you look at his body of work, he's the same character throughout. So I think I can maybe accept your position. No, maybe accept, understand your position. He works here.
Everett	He works here and it works really well. And he's supported by so many phenomenal actors, uh, O.T. Fogbenle from Handmaid's Tale, Peter Sarsgaard, who is just one of the most underrated actors of all time, Elizabeth Marvel, Bill Camp, and some other really, really terrific actors that I don't really know all that well, but who've been really good. Peter Sarsgaard, like, has this ability to play someone that you're, like, slightly off-put by, but also really, like, intrigued with.
Andrew	He's what he's everything you hoped Ewan McGregor could be.
Everett	I think Ewan McGregor is much like more much more major chord. Peter Sarsgaard is like a perfectly struck B minor. Right. Like a little like a little like like it kind of makes your like your neck crinkle a little bit on the left side. They look exactly the same. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting. Tell me I'm wrong. Well, I mean, I'm looking at the same picture. You're not. Anyway, the show has been terrific. So I think you're like three or four episodes in and I don't know the story. So I think if you know what I understand is that the streaming numbers really impressive streaming numbers for this show are being pushed by fans of the original source material. So It's not first time users that are like, what is this? It's people that know the show really well. It's been rated incredible, like I think 75% on rotten tomatoes for the credit score and 82% for the watchers score.
Andrew	When those two things coincide, like that's a must watch.
Everett	It really, really good. And the acting is really good. Um, And the story is being released to us at a really good pace. Pacing is really important on something like this. And the pacing has been perfect.
Andrew	As evidenced by True Detective.
Everett	Yeah, that's totally fair. So this is my new thing. And I think it's kind of early enough, like Andrew won't watch this for like another... Six months when all of them are out.
Andrew	Cause I went to watch it and saw there's only two episodes. I was like, fuck you. I'm not doing that. I don't watch regular TV because I don't like waiting for the next episode anymore.
Everett	But if you're a water cooler watcher, I think it's worth plugging in, get caught up. Cause we are now, we're excited for the next episode. We're like Wednesday. The last show that I watched. Which is tonight. It's happening.
Andrew	Oh, are you putting this off?
Everett	I mean, if Kim's still awake when I get home after we're done, I told you, we got to hurry up.
Andrew	You've put it off. The last show I watched in real time was Game of Thrones, and I think it's the last show I will watch in real time.
Everett	Yeah, we do it pretty frequently now because I don't mind the wait. I like to binge, but I also don't mind the delayed gratification.
Andrew	I, well, and I have such weird timing with Sam. I can't, like, we can't watch shows in real time together. So if we're going to watch a show, we're going to watch two or three episodes of it together and then come back. So it's, it's hard. I don't know.
Everett	Did you ever watch Halt and Catch Fire? No. Mate, you got to watch Halt and Catch Fire. You'll love it. Uh, Andrew, anything else you want to, you want to talk to these people about before I go watch the new episode of Resumed Innocence? Are you going to watch it without her? No, she's home.
Andrew	It doesn't mean she's awake.
Everett	Well, I'm not going to watch it without her if she's asleep, but I'm hoping to get homes. Can you hear this fuck up?
Andrew	And then in that case, there's two other watches that I really wanted to discuss tonight in detail. Uh, and we can hold that for another time.
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