Tag is Demanding Your Attention (293)

Published on Wed, 05 Jun 2024 22:23:46 -0700

Synopsis

The podcast covers various topics related to watches, with a focus on new releases and updates from different brands. They discuss the IWC Ceruleum, the first fully luminous ceramic watch; the Timex and James Brand collaboration GMT watch; the Credor Locomotive watch with a Genta design; the Procetus C-47 A-11 D-Day watches made from materials of C-47 planes; the Hamilton Khaki Field Mechanical updates; the Louis H.R. regulator watch with a grand feu enamel dial; the Delma Midland integrated sports watch; and the Serica 6190 Storm Grey watch. They also share personal updates and recommendations for products like a wireless meat thermometer and a true crime podcast called "Beyond All Repair."

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Andrew	Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20 the Watch Clicker podcast with your host, Andrew, and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you? Just terrific.
Everett	Besides having a fucked up face. I do have a I do have a fucked up face, but that's nothing new. No, I'm doing I'm doing really well. I have a it's it's baseball playoffs right now. The boys are in the playoffs. They won game one, which is like once the playoffs start, it's like go, go, go, go. And so there's a little bit of like, you know, this team's really good and it would be, it wouldn't be that great of a loss to lose to this really good team. Yeah. Cause like summer ball starts right after playoffs, right? You've got playoffs and then you got summer ball.
Andrew	Yeah. And baseball is so,
Everett	I mean, it's and it's just a lot too. So, uh, yeah, but we're still in the playoffs. They had their in-between game practice tonight and then another game tomorrow. So it's fun though, man. It's exciting. The boys are into it. They're, you know, it's kind of like the first time they're playing real baseball. Like they're, you know, turning the occasional double play and like catches are Chris throws are Chris, some of them.
Andrew	The occasional one. They're like, yeah, you did it. Yeah, that's right. I, when I picked up Wes the other day from school, I don't remember how we got on the topic, but we started talking about baseball and it's a 90 second drive from school to our house. Yeah. And we get there and he is like still sitting in the front seat trying to talk about baseball. And I was like, I want to get out of the car cause I need to go back to work. Cause I like frequently will, be in a meeting and I will just pull up the meeting on my phone and go pick up the kids and then drive home. Yeah, I know how that goes in the midst of the meeting. Um, and I'm like, Hey man, I gotta go back inside. Cause I'm, I'm like, I'm not missed obviously, but I got, I gotta go back to work. He's okay. Thanks for the baseball conversation.
Everett	It's like, you're welcome. Yeah, no, I mean, they're getting into it too. You know, I turned on the Mariners game tonight before I came over to record and Kim was like, I was gonna watch a show and the boys were both like, we're gonna watch the baseball game.
Andrew	Yeah, we can watch baseball. It's fine. You watch your show later.
Everett	Your show's on Netflix. And then even Betty came in and she was like, mom, it's the A's. And I was like, yes, it's all working out. You've done it. You've done it. Even Betty was like, Mom, it's the A's. You know, this is the Mariners, the A's. We got an A. Yeah, let's kick the shit out of Oakland. What's up? This is it. Yeah, this is it. Oh, man. I got to tell you, watching games being played in Oakland right now is rough. It's rough. For you Bay Area folks, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that it is rough watching those games, like borderline depressing. There's like 17 people. Oh, yeah. And they're shuttering the stadium. I mean, it's
Andrew	Woof. Are they moving? Yeah, they're moving to Vegas. Oh yeah, they are. Yeah. I forgot about that. I knew that. And then, uh, so I, I've, I'm trying to convince a group of friends to go to Las Vegas this October. Um, cause October's a really good time to go to Las Vegas. Not too hot, but still like beautiful. It's still like 80 degrees, right? It's like perfect. Especially when you come from the Pacific Northwest where you're leaving like 50 and rainy, to go to like 80, 85 and sunny. And I looked at the weekend that I was proposing, because the flights are cheap, it's like 250 bucks. West Point is playing UNLV at Allegiant. Tickets are 100 bucks. Allegiant, no, 100 bucks? That's cheap. To go see college football, to go see UNLV and West Point? I mean, it's college football. They should offer, No, that's crazy. Cause last year we went about the same time and the Raiders were playing at home against the Patriots that week. Or maybe not the Patriots.
Everett	I mean, like, let's compare. They were like 600 bucks. In terms of Vegas things you could do, like, let's compare this to tickets for whatever, Wayne Newton, right?
Andrew	60 bucks. You go to any show on the street or on the strip, it's 60 to a hundred bucks. But you go to Allegiant, you want to go see the Raiders play. And you go to like StubHub or Ticketmaster or like any like, like first party supplier, there's $600 or more. When the weekend that we were there last year, I looked at Raiders tickets cause the Raiders are playing at home. They were 800 bucks.
Everett	I don't want to tell you how much I paid for my season tickets for the Ducks next year. 800 bucks. More than that. I mean, not purse per seat, yeah it's crazy man it's it's wild i don't like the the the sports industrial complex not 800 bucks per seat per game i'll just clarify it wasn't that expensive no per seat per game it's less than 800 bucks yeah it's fucking crazy though
Andrew	But how about Allegiant? Allegiant isn't even that nice.
Everett	No, Allegiant's nice. It's a nice place. I like it. You know what it's better than? It's better than Angel Stadium in Anaheim. Yeah.
Andrew	Yeah, they're just trying to pay off the building costs. I don't know. I want to go see the Seahawks play in Vegas, and I think maybe that's a trip we should take in the next couple years here, is to go see the Hawks play at Allegiant. It's cheap to get to Vegas. It's not crazy expensive to stay in Vegas, especially if you're just going for like two nights. You can always figure it out. Yeah, but we should go see the Hawks play in Vegas.
Everett	Well, Andrew, we're not here to talk about insane college football prices or anything like that. We're here to talk about watches, and there are watches to be talked about. We missed, oh, what, did we miss? A couple weeks? Two weeks of updates.
Andrew	And it was the right time to miss a couple weeks because we're right on the heels of Watches and Wonders, like the real heels of Watches and Wonders, and every brand is kind of taking a breath, kind of.
Everett	Yeah, I was going to say, it felt like it was kind of like, like watch releases were few and far between. I mean, there's always watches being released, but then it was like,
Andrew	Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, watches and wonders. Like typically you see a couple of weeks like at the conclusion of the event where everyone takes a step back and it's like, okay, but that didn't happen. We had like two weeks after watches and wonders and they just, that was just like constant. It was a revolving door of, Hey, we, we didn't make the deadline, but this is here. This is here. And it was mayhem. And then, and now we're kind of in our little bit of a breather, but there's still some hot fire coming out. There's some things that are maybe watches and wonders worthy, but just like didn't.
Everett	I mean, I don't think, I don't think, I don't think there's like a necessarily a standard, right? Like the watches and wonders releases you get in the novelties, which are cool. But I mean, there's some, there's a, I think it's more just the volume. It's not necessarily the caliber of the releases.
Andrew	I don't know. I feel like watches and wonders is is volume for sure. And a lot of brands are like, look at this cool thing that we did. Look at this cool thing. Look at this cool thing. We didn't need to do it, but we did it because it's cool. Yeah. But we saw kind of we didn't see a cliff. I like I feel like we've seen in previous years. We've we've kind of seen it be kind of the starting gun for this year of releases. And there's some cool stuff coming out. And I'm going to start and I'm going to start because this is this is a like for me what should have been a watches and wonders release. Oh, that's my my phone.
Everett	He saw me reach for my phone and he was like, I'm going to start. I am.
Andrew	I am going to start because this is really cool and it's it's proprietary. It's new, like truly new for... He is 100% stalling.
Everett	I just want to confirm this for you at home who are wondering. I'm getting the page to load. He is stalling. This is pure stall tactics.
Andrew	No, that's... I don't want hot dog pretzel dogs. That's not... Do you want me to announce it for you? Shut the fuck up. IWC. You knew.
Everett	I did know.
Andrew	Of course I knew. IWC unveils Ceruleum, the first fully luminous ceramic watch. So this is still in development phases. This is maybe the coolest, not the coolest design or watch by a long shot, but the coolest thing that I have seen in watches, perhaps since the automatic movement, Oh, stop it. This is dope. Stop it. IWC has unveiled their prototype plan for a fully loomed watch. And I don't just mean fully loomed like all the dials loomed and there's some loom in the case. No, this bitch is DLC'd, coated with loom, fully loomed dial. fully loomed strap.
Everett	Is it DLC? I thought it was made from this compound.
Andrew	It's gotta be a DLC application to the steel.
Everett	I think it's actually a ceramic case. It's a luminous ceramic case, I think, unless I'm reading this wrong. Well, so... It's a new ceramic compound made with homogeneously mixing ceramic powders with high-grade superluminova pigments. Yes.
Andrew	The way I read it was that it's like an application to the ceramic and not necessarily like a comp, but maybe it's, I don't know. I'm not smart. I'm not a metallurgist or a, or a, I mean, I could be wrong.
Everett	I think that this is a ceramic watch.
Andrew	Like IWC is known to do. This is, this is dope. This is some groundbreaking technological advancement, like R and D stuff, which kind of surprises me out of IWC. I feel like this would be like a Bell and Ross.
Everett	Well, Bell and Ross has done a fully luminous case, but it's not this.
Andrew	No, it's not this.
Everett	This is cool. So they did their loomed resin loom series a few years ago that was, well, like glow in the dark, right? This is, I think, Aluminous ceramic case through and through it's terrific. It's cool and the strap like this is this is some shit So still in prototype phase, but but it was Lewis Hamilton was wearing this at Monaco GP Mm-hmm this last week.
Andrew	I think like riding around on a scooter it yeah you know as one does and Kind of who cares about what the platform is being used for
Everett	How much do you think Lewis Hamilton's net worth is?
Andrew	It's got to be a lot, right? You know, I bet it's lower than you'd expect though.
Everett	Why do you think that? That's 260 million, which I guess.
Andrew	That's, you know, that's a, that's a lot, but it's also not where you kind of expect him to be at given the lifestyle.
Everett	How does that compare to like Roger Federer? I have a Federer's worth. 550. Yeah. So it's higher than than Rafa 220 and Novak 240, but not Federer, who's 550. But Federer's also got.
Unknown	I don't know.
Everett	I mean, I don't know, I feel like F1 guys are they make money.
Andrew	They make money. Yeah, but Federer's not just got his money, but he's got sponsorships and he's got- So does Lewis Hamilton. But two decades of it. I mean, Federer's been a famous tennis player since he was like six. Oh, Roger.
Everett	This watch is cool and I do like the strap and it looks significant in the dark and it's IWC. I mean, the watch is IWC, which is to say- It's perfectly boring.
Andrew	Yeah. This is super cool and I think it It kind of cracks the door into like a new thing that we might be seeing. I can't, I'm sorry, dude, I cannot stop looking at the right angle.
Everett	I hit, I hit my head on a, on a dugout Eve this week and there's a large wound right in the middle of my forehead and Andrew's transfixed. It's a perfect right angle.
Andrew	It's like I can tell exactly what you hit.
Everett	Alright, so since you jumped in to talk about this glow-in-the-dark IWC watch, you're a little... All glow-in-the-dark. You're like, it's like a little kid's Timex. I'm gonna talk about something that's a little weird. So Tag Heuer. Tag Heuer... Oh, you slurp me. I'm gonna slurp you. Tag Heuer introduced a few years ago a full revamp of their Aquaracer line. including the really, really terrific 200 Aqua Racers, but also a revamped 300 Aqua Racer. And I think that the general consensus from everybody was these watches were fantastic. In particular, the 200 was fantastic. Excuse me. Excuse me. But the 300s were just a little bit chunky.
Andrew	Yeah, chunky, like just the proportions were like they were just a little too tooly, like a little too beefy. It's just a bit of a miss.
Everett	The proportions maybe were a little dated.
Andrew	Well, it's consistent with TAG design at the time.
Everett	It seems like TAG has heard those complaints and has introduced two new. Aquaracer 300s with new dimensions, so there's the date Aquaracer and the GMT Aquaracer. And they've they've just sort of trimmed everything up. So 43 to 42 millimeters on the case. Not a ton, but but I understand.
Andrew	Significant for a big flat watch, though.
Everett	I understand that's going to be a significant change. And they also lower the proportions on the lug to lug, which is a real when you're talking about watches this size going from 50 to 48 millimeters. is a really significant jump. This watch is just gonna wear better, I think. Same terrific bracelet, but they did one other thing here, which I am like, man, they really made some moves here. So they got rid of the ETA movements. They had perfectly serviceable 2824 in the date, and a 2893 GMT and the GMT, they got, they, they have skewed those at a movements for AMT movements. AMT is Salida sort of like higher end movements and, and they've swapped in AMT movements to these, which are terrific movements, really well finished.
Andrew	I'm wondering though, when, when they say exclusive to tag, what that means, like what is exclusive about these movements? Cause we know these are AMT movements. What's making them exclusive to TAG? They can put it in the sales pitch.
Everett	I think that's it, right? They're just, they're just references that AMT is only giving to TAG player. I mean, I don't, I don't know that there's anything else to it. Frankly, I don't actually even know if that's true, but I think that's my take on it. Says they're exclusive to TAG. These are terrific movements by the way. They're chronometer certified, 80 hour power reserve, Uh, they're super thin. So these watches each come in at 12 millimeters thick, uh, which for big dive watches, uh, is terrific. These are 3,600 for the date and 4,200 for the GMT.
Andrew	Uh, geez, Luis. When I first, when I saw these, I, I made an uh-oh sound, uh, cause the Seamaster has kind of been, Tugging their name. Like a Pro 300? Yeah. And, and I saw these with the, just the slightly improved proportions. I was like, Oh man, this could be it. And I, I was at the grocery the other day and saw the store manager wearing, I don't know, probably a 20 year old. So like a weirdly sized, and it was probably quartz, um, Aquaracer and I was like, oh, shit. That looks good. And I and when this blew, I saw this blue today. I I became conflicted. This is like a very real Seamaster Pro competitor. These proportions are right. The size is right. The design is there. This is a banger.
Everett	Yeah, no, I think and the price, these are 36 to 3800 bucks. Yeah, for the for the date for the for the regular dive watch. I think that's right. I mean, you know, these are at least at MSRP slightly more expensive than, for instance, like the the Longines. They're about the same as the well cheaper than the Omegas. I mean, this is actually a pretty good value proposition when you think about what this watch is.
Andrew	I think this is a move by Tag Heuer to position themselves in the... Maybe is even better than a competitor to Omega, right? I mean, Tag is doing an enormous rebranding effort.
Everett	How much is a new Seamaster 300? 45? I think it's more than that. Let's see. Used 5,000 on bobs for the basic on a bracelet. I mean, yeah, this is 5,600 for a 42 millimeter or 5,900 for a 42 millimeter. Seamaster Diver 300 Black Dial on steel.
Andrew	And these are 48 on steel.
Everett	No, uh, 38, 38 on steel.
Andrew	38 on steel? Yeah, the GMT. No, 42 on steel, sorry.
Everett	I thought 42 for the GMT.
Andrew	So, so date GMT on bracelet, 42.
Everett	So, so, I mean, what do you, what do you have? You have the Orsoquis, you have the Seamaster 300, you've got, you know, some long jean stuff in there. This is like used Black Bay. space. Yeah. I mean, this is, this is, I kind of, I got, I think I have to say that Tag Heuer's back in the market.
Andrew	They're, and I think they're probably pricing themselves deliberately. So to be really, really competitive in this market to, to try to overcome the nineties.
Everett	And I love this watch. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. There's nothing, I mean, there's nothing wrong with this watch.
Andrew	No, not a single thing. I mean, you have a Costco, exclusive movement. The design is great. This is like classic ceramic bezel.
Everett	I mean, this has got all the, this has got all the bells and whistles. There's nothing, you know, I think there was that period of time where it felt like that these tag, the tag watches didn't really compete.
Andrew	They were like different and there was a big courts and they kind of hung on to courts and, and their brand ambassadorship in the nineties and in like two thousands was, it, They hitched their carts to the wrong horses. And they've done some things in the last 10 years to really course correct. And now they're coming out punching. And we've said this for years now is that TAG is one of the most exciting brands in the industry right now because they're doing so much to try to get out from under the shit that they've built. And they're doing the thing, right? Like Tag and Timex, I think are the two brands that I'm most intrigued by right now in the industry.
Everett	And let's be clear, you might not love this watch. This is going to be people that don't love this watch. The decagonal, decagonal, decagonal? Are you saying dickenal? The 12 sided bezel is probably not for everyone. The case on these things is a little bit angular. It's Seamastery.
Andrew	It's like 80s. It's like it holds this interesting.
Everett	You've got a magnifier at six o'clock. Yeah, I could do without that Cyclops. I mean, so there are some design things going on here. Personally, I think I don't have any problem with these things, but this is just like a caveat like you might not. But I think I think you nailed it right there. They're right there in their price super competitively. I'm sure you're right. It's super deliberate. Yeah, this is a terrific watch.
Andrew	They're doing some cool things. And since we're talking about two of the brands that are the most... Decagonal?
Everett	Dodecagon? Decagon.
Andrew	I don't think there's a word for it because I think that we've created it. Decagonal. Decagonal? You're disgusting. So I just said moments ago that Tag Heuer Timex are the two most exciting brands to me in the industry right now. With that, we're going to talk about the Timex and James Brand collaboration automatic GMT titanium set. And this is hot fire. James Brand out of Portland, we met. His name is not James. Why can't I think of his name? It's not James. What is his name? I'm blanking on it. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I've forgotten your name. It shouldn't your name. You should have named it after yourself and not after some other fella. He doesn't listen to our, he doesn't listen to our show. Probably. No, he didn't, uh, at the time. And it's been two years. So maybe he's listened to an episode. Uh, we met him at wind up a couple of years ago. Um, James brand out of Portland. It was fun to like meet somebody and be like, Oh no, I'm like, I know exactly where you're talking about. You guys grew up like, like a block away from. Yeah. Like, like, yeah. Like, And we knew all the same places. And, you know, all three of us are being are being from Portland, knew all the same places. We grew up generally in the same time frame.
Everett	His name was Ryan. OK. Right. I think Ryan Coulter.
Andrew	So Timex collaborated with the James brand, which is an everyday carry knives, tools, things that you bring with you. that are deliberately designed to be comfortable, to be useful, very much in that cutting edge of EDC world to just make your life more better, collaborated on a GMT. And this thing is one of the best releases from Timex. that I've ever seen. Yeah, like literally. This is fucking phenomenal. So this is a 41 millimeter barrel shaped case. 9075 movement, true GMT, which is an it's just a GMT movement. Butterfly clasp, all titanium, black case or excuse me, black dial, black bezel. lime green highlights. This is amazing. The box set is $750 and I'm here for it. Box set comes with a titanium bracelet, rubber strap. This is all the things we've been wanting from a brand like Timex. Do some cool shit. We're okay with spending money. Everyone has already established that we're okay with spending some money. We're okay with buying Timex at $5,000, $7,000 if you're doing it right. And Timex did this 100% right. I don't have a single thing I can say about this watch. I'm like, oh, I wish they would have done this a little bit different. This is terrific. $750 for the box set. I added it to my bag right now. I don't want protection. Raw dog it. It's available right now.
Everett	Yeah, no, it's terrific. You know, for so long Timex watches were all cheap shit. Severely crippled by, you know, bad materials and generic or worse, bad movements. You know, Timex was always sort of like, oh, well, they have this classic aesthetic, you know? Yeah. They've been around forever. But no, this is, I mean, this is a competitive watch at a competitive price, 750 bucks, MSRP on this guy. You know, I maybe could take or leave some of the chartreuse on this thing. And you know, the James cross branding makes a lot of sense. Uh, I don't, I don't know. I'm sure that plays well. This is a cool, it's, it's a fantastic watch. There's nothing bad to say about it. I agree with you, Andrew.
Andrew	Yeah. This is, this is hopefully indicative of where Timex is going. Cause this is what we've been predicting Timex to be going for the last two years.
Everett	Well, I think it's going to depend on how many of these Timex sells. You know, I've seen people where I've already seen people I know, picking these up.
Andrew	So it seems like... And the cross, the collaboration with James brand, which is like a true boutique brand. It's a small brand out of Portland, right? Like, I don't know. This is, it's an interesting collaboration. I think it shows some, some market knowledge and acceptance from Timex that we've kind of been seeing some hinting of, but there, They're here for us. They're here for watch people right now. And this is demonstrative of that.
Unknown	Mm hmm.
Everett	No, I mean, it's it's terrific. Have we ever talked about credor credor creed more the the bullet credor credor Hodor? Man, I'm just I don't think we've ever talked about him because I don't think I've ever resolved how to pronounce it. So Seiko is high. They've got they've got like a luxury brand credor. And Creedor watches tend to be... Spansive? Spansive, and dressy, and sexy, and sort of high-end, but always a little like, meh. It's not really for me. Like, they're made for a different market. But they've got this terrific history, and there's some really interesting watches. Creedor announced a 50th anniversary watch this week, which is a legit Genta design from Creedor's catalog. It's called The Locomotive, which I think The Locomotive wasn't a reference to like the intended use, but rather to the intent of Creedor to sort of push into the future, like we're a locomotive movie and it can't stop us.
Andrew	Right.
Everett	You know, maybe, maybe this gets lost in translation, but, uh, the credor locomotive was released this week and it's kind of a banger. I mean, man, I don't know. I don't really know what to say about this. There's only 300 pieces. It's expensive, 12,000 bucks USD, but it's agenda designed straight out of the eighties, maybe seventies. Uh, you know, specifically 1979 is when the original came out, but you've got like these like classic genta design elements, but they're not quite polished to where they are now, right?
Andrew	This is early. This is early design elements. There's some oddities here.
Everett	Well, sure.
Andrew	He hasn't quite refined the thing yet.
Everett	I mean, I don't know, this to me feels like just pure genta. And it's a weird watch, right? So instead of having an integrated bracelet, I think you would call this integrated, but it's actually like... It's ex-integrated. It's like, it's desegregated. That's right. It's like a segregated bracelet. And the bracelet actually doesn't flow with the case at all. It's a separate piece per Andrew's description. This is fucking You've got a four o'clock crown, you've got a hexagonal bezel with exposed screws on it. I mean, there's just a lot going on here.
Andrew	But it's also not a symmetrical case. It looks asymmetric. This top down makes it look like the nine o'clock is wider than the three o'clock.
Everett	I think it's a symmetrical case, but I could be wrong about that. proportions. So it looks like the crash just under 38 or just under 39 millimeters, 38.8 and, and just under nine millimeters thick with a hundred meters of water resistance. So this thing is both sporty and really elegant. Uh, it's got a C R O one movement, which I think is a new movement. It's a six L 35 architecture based movement. That's pretty. That's pretty. I think it is. Yeah. I think is the deal. And you kind of wonder, like, is this is this a sign of like credo or sort of saying, hey, we're going to we're going to play ball more than we have in the past. I don't know that this watch is actually playing ball, but I think it's doing something.
Andrew	It's really hanging brain, right? Like it's it's coming out and saying we don't give a fuck. and we're going to do some cool stuff from the catalog.
Everett	So high intensity titanium is what they're calling the material they've used. I don't know exactly what that means. I think the original was in steel. Um, yeah, I mean this is kind of a wicked watch.
Andrew	It's certainly a baller standard piece and I'm really confident this is an asymmetric case.
Everett	You might be right, Andrew. I don't know. That would surprise me if that was the case. It would be kind of a weird move. Beautiful dial. It's got sort of a sunburst. The dial's a bit of a departure from the original. The original kind of had like a hammered finish, and this one has like a grooved... It's not a sunburst.
Andrew	It's more of like a... It's like a cross-section of a tree. Or an orange. Yeah, that's better. Yeah. It's a really lovely texture.
Everett	And the watch is terrific. I mean, I don't know that I have, I don't know that I have $12,000 to throw on. In fact, actually I do know that I don't have $12,000 to throw at this thing, but it could be an optical illusion.
Andrew	It looks asymmetric.
Everett	This thing's pretty cool, man.
Andrew	I wonder if it's the four o'clock that like throws off the way you can like interpret the imagery.
Everett	Are you still stuck on the asymmetry, Andrew?
Andrew	Yeah. I can't, I can't get over it. Can we move it along? And the, the, the segregated bracelet is an oddity for me. Um, so being that we're recording on June the 5th. June the 5th.
Everett	The 5th of June. The 5th of June. June 5th. Six five.
Andrew	Yeah. Which is the eve of the 80th anniversary of Operation Overlord, known colloquially as D-Day. There's a brand that did a special thing in honor of the 80th anniversary of the Allied invasion of France. Precetus released a sea C-47 A-11 D-Day. And they did a really cool thing. They made the dials for this A-11 from doors of C-47s that were a part of the D-Day invasion of France. And barring that special part. These are just A11s, but these dials cut from the steel of the hamburger doors of these C47s are just gorgeous. They, it, if they made any attempts to pretty them up. Oh, I'm going to sneeze. I've sneezed and I'm returning. If they made any attempts to pretty them up or to like polish off these like strange marring and scratching, they did a terrific job. But it looks like just used steel that's been milled out to be a dial.
Everett	These are gorgeous. Well, I got to admit, I haven't read anything about these watches, but wouldn't the doors be made out of aluminum? Perhaps.
Unknown	Maybe they're aluminum.
Andrew	I don't know. Oh yeah, they're aluminum. I'm not a doctor. So 38 millimeter A11s using material from C47s that participated in Operation Overlord. And they're gorgeous.
Everett	Yeah, they did a good job with these.
Andrew	They're just gorgeous. So they have three different, they have different versions. They have a, khaki version. I think it's just a strap. I don't know. Here we go. Aluminum gray or olive green cut from hamburger doors of two C-47s. Sandblasted steel cases, 38 millimeter case, 12-5 thick. That's kind of thick. Uh, double domed sapphire, 90-39 movement, 100 meters of water resistance, better than any paddock in the market. You know, after the beginning of this year. And 550 bucks. And so here's the deal because they are, um, being cut from things that maybe should be in a museum. There's only, uh, 500 of each of the two variants, but they're beautiful. I love them. This is a, this is a super cool, uh, D-Day kind of commemorative release being that this is probably in, you know, tomorrow is going to be a big, uh, perhaps the biggest, uh, celebration in France of, or what's, uh, honoration.
Everett	Is that a word? Memorial? I'm not sure. Event?
Andrew	Celebration, sure. event associated with D-Day because it's probably the last big milestone anniversary that will have surviving participants in it, and they're making a really big deal of it. So it's cool to see Proceedus doing a release like this in conjunction with a big milestone anniversary of, you know, one of the biggest military warfare endeavors ever undertaken on the planet Earth.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. You know, we watched the private writer. I don't know if I talked about this last week, watch that with the kids and you know, they don't, there's no way for them to grasp the magnitude of this, but back to the watch quick quickly, because I think it's an interesting watch the, you know, proceed as I think does a really good job with their cases, their cases, their cases Their cases look really classic, but also really sharp and modern at the same time. And so there's a bit of a juxtaposition here between the dial, which appears, I agree with you, it appears to me to be either unfinished or patinaed to look that way.
Andrew	Like they just milled it out of the door, like they just punched it.
Everett	And then I believe the case back is also distressed with a bit of like a historical looking, nsn type stamping so you know they they've made some some aesthetic decisions here they combine this really sharp case sharp modern i think modern a11 case with this you know sort of really pretty vintage looking dial distressed and vintage looking dial and markers and a and a specifically distressed case back i think it's a nice juxtaposition i i really like these watches they're fun they're they're affordable um
Andrew	And Procetus does cool stuff. They're a brand that is intriguing to me in what they're doing. And given the brand identity, if you're not familiar with them at all, this is kind of their thing. So it makes perfect sense that they were able to acquire some memorabilia to do some novelty commemorative watches.
Everett	Decagonal?
Andrew	Decagonal. You're really on that.
Everett	Decagonal. Decagonal. Delma? Do you know anything about Delma? You just want to keep saying dick. Do you know anything about the brand Delma? Tell me more. Oh, well, I think we talked about Delma a while ago when they released their 5,000 meter affordable blue shark watch. This is a really pretty sporty brand. They've made some watches that I think are interesting. They made a watch a few years ago called the shell star. Um, that's pretty fun. They've got some Pulsometer stuff. That's interesting. I think perhaps most, uh, famously though, they've got that 5,000 meter shark for, um, All that to say, it's a relatively new brand. I think, oh boy, nevermind. I'm not going to say when they're from, uh, because they've been, they've been around for a long time.
Andrew	They're a bit of a zombie brand though. Delma, Delma's not, I mean, they're a, they're kind of an OG that vanished for a while.
Everett	Yeah. And I don't know enough about them to know if they had a down period or not, but, but maybe they did. Uh, anyway, they released this, they released a watch this week called the Midland. The Midland, which is a name that has previously been used by Doma. But this watch I think is new. And I think this is pretty interesting, Andrew. So it is a integrated sort of dressy, they're calling it an 80s style integrated sport watch look. It's got sort of a coin edge fluted bezel. Maybe if you're thinking of a Datejust, you're kind of headed in the right direction, but different than that.
Andrew	Yeah, really different angle on the bezel.
Everett	That's right. Yeah, that's right. And just a different and a different feel. So this watch. Gosh, I almost don't know what to say about it. This is like
Andrew	It's like Arkham meets Datejust. It's like if the Arkham, oh gosh, what was his first one? The Instrumentum. Yeah. And a Datejust got down.
Everett	But weren't quite as weird. Sorry, Ken.
Andrew	You know what I mean? I feel like this is the yield of an Instrumentum and a Datejust. Some kind of monochrome. Or maybe like a Prince, like a Tudor Prince.
Everett	Yeah, that's right. I've got a monochrome article up and they say, uh, a vibe of Miami Vice and Gordon Gekko, which, uh, okay.
Andrew	My, my, my assessment is more accurate.
Everett	Very steel, kind of chunky, but also like soft and refined looking. It's a 40 and a half millimeter.
Andrew	It's like that strong fat, right? Like that, that dude who you can tell is yoked, but it's also like just soft around the edges.
Everett	40 and a half millimeter, kind of a barrel shaped case, I'd say, without being a barrel. 10.8 thick, which is a great size for this, 47 millimeters, 100 meters of water resistance, six colors, all of them good. We got a black, a white, a green, sort of a light, but not Tiffany blue, maybe kind of a cornflower, and then like a copper. We've got all of these, like sort of a nail head dial, 200-1 movements and they're $1,350. The shape of this integrated bracelet is really intriguing because it almost makes it like a male end link kind of look that without being
Andrew	It's integrated, right?
Everett	But it's female. It looks male, but it's female. Yes. It actually goes back up into the case. Yes.
Andrew	It's, it's super intriguing. This is a really cool design. The size is perfect on this. I think with all the specs and the design into this, the price is right. This is very much like a, a tool sport watch. It's like, it's an interest. Like it's all, it's kind of an emerging field. like a design language in the industry.
Everett	Yeah, maybe. You used to talk about the watch, my watch. This isn't my watch. I feel like this is very much a... Yeah, this is dad's watch. This is the watch, right?
Andrew	Like, oh, you know... Yeah, dad wore this to swing a hammer. He wore it swimming. He wore it in a suit. He wore it to my wedding.
Everett	Like, look, if you want to buy a PRX, but you also want to spend a little bit more money and get something a little nicer, a little much nicer,
Unknown	Get this.
Andrew	Right? Yeah. No, I'm with it. I don't super dig the font.
Everett	I like it. I actually, you know, I'm a sucker for fonts.
Andrew	It's a very digital appearing font.
Everett	Oh, you mean the automatic font?
Andrew	All of it. All the font looks very digital age. And I could have just gone with like just a touch softer font.
Everett	I really like the DOMA logo font, but I see what you're saying. It looks like LCD. The numbers are a little bit digitally.
Andrew	Yeah, but this is an LCD watch. I really like this bezel. Yeah, me too. It's like it's it should be fluted, but it's not because fuck you. I'm going to coinage the top of this.
Everett	It kind of kind of reminiscent of like a Thunderbird. Yeah. Bezel a little bit. Yeah. These are really cool. Sort of out of nowhere. I was like, what the fuck is this?
Andrew	Like big, gnarly crown guards that also aren't excessive. Yeah, because that's a big crown.
Everett	And the crown guards are like discreet, but also six and a half millimeters on that crown.
Andrew	I'm here for it, even looks cornflower blue. Usually, usually she doesn't. She doesn't do the blue for me the way that I want, but this is applied numerals, good sort of baton hands.
Everett	I don't know if that's what you call them, stick hands. Uh, yeah, this thing's terrific. A little red tip on the seconds hands.
Andrew	Love a red tip.
Everett	And moving on.
Andrew	Oh, OK. Um. Oh, what I want to talk about next. Oh, I want to talk about something. I have some things left. Hamilton Khaki Field Mechanical has expanded their. Offerings. with three new configurations. And is that pornography? Yes. Okay. Here's what I really like about these releases. Andrew, hold on.
Unknown	Come on. Hold on.
Everett	Let's do it again. It takes so long for her to get there.
Andrew	Yeah, when she's saying dick in the anal, it's like, God, we just made this an x-rated edition. You did. You did. You did it. You played it. Uh, so here's what I like about these, these three releases. You thought they already existed. And that's something that I've always really appreciated about Hamilton is that their releases are always, not always, are more often than not super subtle. They show up and you're like, Oh, I thought that was there all along. And why wasn't it? So we have a blue, a white and a white in bronze with all in steel. They're calling this, Oh, so the white, the white is a white loom in lieu of fotina in the khaki field mechanical. And and there's nothing. These are khaki field mechanicals, right? These are. As as simple as simple gets field watches from Hamilton, they're lovely, they're well-designed, the finishing is as good as one can get in this under a thousand bucks. Yeah. In this in this zone, they're under 10 millimeters thick. They're perfectly sized. The bronze and white still has Fotina. The steel and white is, is white like that. And that's, that's solving a huge issue. And finally a blue. But when I look at these, I'm like, no, I've seen these before. These have to have existed in the portfolio and they didn't. I love that Hamilton release of, oh yeah, by the way, we also have this. You've always wanted it. Now here it is. It's nothing special. And I love it. I'm I love this addition to the line. The white on white is hot fire. They are.
Everett	Six hundred bucks in steel, the white on white and less than that, they're actually less than that, you might not be able to get these for less than that for a couple of months, but they're always so they're going to show up in the 354 or 450 zone under five.
Andrew	you'll be able to get these. But the white with the non-fotina is hot fire. And they're terrific. This is a khaki feel mechanical, right? Like maybe one of the most perfect watches ever. You got nothing. Okay.
Everett	What you got next? I mean, no, I got to, I mean, I own one of these, right? No, they're, they're fine. They're great. It's a Hamilton khaki mechanical. I like that. They did like, they should all be white. or Green Loom or whatever they're calling it. They're perfect. Uh, Louis H.R. We don't ever talk about Louis H.R. They've got interesting watches. Because we can't say the name. They've got like, I think they did like a Constantine Chaikin collab a few years ago that I was like, whoa, that's fucking cool. Uh, but you know, like, I mean, it's like sort of priced out for us. And anyway, they released a watch that, I saw it probably about a hundred times before I finally clicked and then I was like, Oh, um, so this is a regulator watch, meaning it's exactly. Um, you've got a central minutes, you've got a small hours and small seconds, hours being at 12 seconds being at six. Uh, the small is actually about half the dial for that desk. Um, It's it's a really interesting dial layout, but they released a. They released a 39 millimeter regulator. In stainless steel with a grand few, I'm going to say grand few enamel dial grand few enamelling is this really sort of tricky process that has A lot can go wrong. And so it's an expensive process because not only does it take a long time and it requires these incredibly hot 800 degree kilns and, uh, but you just get a lot of rejects because it doesn't matter how good you are at doing this work. Things are going to go wrong. Someone, I heard someone describe this processes or the material is capricious. And I thought, well, that's a great word. That's a good, that's a good lawyer word. It's a capricious material to work with. They released a Grand Few, please feel free to correct me, or not if I'm saying it wrong, a Grand Few enamel dial regulator watch, and it is hoo-wee. Like I said, I looked at this watch like 10 times. I looked at the headlines before I finally clicked in, and then I was like, god like you zoom in on this thing first the fonts i'm a sucker for fonts and the fonts here are chef's kiss yeah they're arousing uh and then you've got this combination of black and gray that is so subtle as to be almost unnoticeable until you zoom in and then and then if you've ever seen an enamel dial enamel is smooth And delicate and shiny.
Andrew	And like sumptuous.
Everett	It is like, it has like a. Sumptuous. Yeah. It looks, and it looks deep too. It like looks like you could like.
Andrew	Plunge into it. Yeah. It's the, the, the thing that enamel does is not like the thumbnail that's visible in this photograph.
Everett	And so, and so the dial maker here, I'm not going to, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andrew	I'm not going to... Trim your nails before you take macros where your fingernails are visible.
Everett	I'm not going to attempt to say the name of this person, but he's a local dialmaker who's been doing this for ages.
Andrew	And his dad did this, and his dad did this, and his dad did this.
Everett	Perhaps. I don't know any of that. But this watch, so they're $5,000, which is a lot.
Andrew	Just for the artistry of an enamel dial though, like the labor that goes into it, that's what you're paying for enamel.
Everett	They've got a SW-266-1, which is an elaborate grade 31 jewel, 4 Hertz movement. I think it's a stunning movement. There was one detail about this watch that kind of stuck out to me and I was like, what? So it's a 39 millimeter, I would call this a dress watch, certainly. A 39mm with a 46mm lug-to-lug dress watch. It is almost 13mm thick.
Andrew	It's also not super legible.
Everett	Anytime I ever hear someone complain about legibility, I want to punch them in the face.
Andrew	No, there are three hands to tell the same time. You have to read three hands. There's a second, a minute, and an hour. Come here.
Everett	No, I mean, come on. Who cares? Legibility? Fuck off. Just fuck off.
Andrew	No, it's not like Nighthawk legibility. It's like you have to, you have to comprehend three hands.
Unknown	Shut up.
Everett	That are not... Stop talking. Stacked. Stop saying words with your mouth full. Okay. It's stupid. Who cares?
Andrew	It's beautiful. It's a gorgeous dress watch.
Everett	It's... But 13 millimeters? I can't, I just can't, I can't fathom.
Andrew	It's the dome. It looks like it's the dome at least. I don't see that it's got like a big domed crystal. I don't know. It might also be, it might require weird movement stacking to put three hands in three locations rather than centralized.
Everett	That's possible. Yeah, that's possible. And actually I don't know much about regulator movement. So there may, you might be right. There may be something going on with the module there. Uh, anyway, 13 millimeters. I was like, oh, but the rest of this thing. Yes, please.
Andrew	I love that on your crown on it. It's just it's a gorgeous fucking watch.
Everett	And Louie O'Rourke does these for tree hands that they've done here, which are. Yeah, everything. Everything about it is for tree hands. Super attractive. All right.
Andrew	That's all I have to say about it. Good. I want to talk about Serica. Some brand we don't talk about enough. Because they are hot fire. So Serica has updated their dial of the 6190, included a chronometer movement on it, continued the bond clip, and so white and black, whatever. This Storm Grey, holy shit, this is a gorgeous watch. And I've said it before, it's almost like it's got like a little bit of taupe to it. Yeah, it's like a F.D.E. type of thing. Yeah, I think that's maybe that's appropriate. This color is gorgeous. And, you know, I always really liked the just the general view of Serica. Their design language is something I like. I was always kind of concerned about the bracelet. And I put one on a couple of years ago and it was just fantastic. This is a great release. These are coming in at a thousand bucks sheep. A thousand bucks. Yeah. 1,090 euros. So $84 cost chronometer movement, 37.7 millimeter case, 10 fourth thick, 200 meters of water resistance. Like these are dope. What Serica is doing is really, really special to be capturing this 1950s design language with really, really modern specs is awesome.
Everett	Serica is super underrated, but just leave it at that, right? It's one of the most underrated watch brands out there.
Andrew	It's because they're French.
Everett	Boo.
Andrew	Yeah. Boo. Never used, dropped once.
Everett	Uh, Andrew, we've got more, we've got like, there are, I think there are 10 watches that we didn't get to, but we got to cut it off. Okay. We're at an hour. Cut it off. Yep. We're done. Other things.
Andrew	What do you got? Ooh. So I, um, I usually like, I buy a lot of disposable things where I'm like, I know this will last me, I know it'll last me a year. I just, I'm just going to go cheap because I'm okay spending $100 a year for a new string trimmer rather than like $250 for five years of a string trimmer. I've been doing that with a wireless thermometer to use in my grill for, I don't know, 15 years I finally did some review hunting and I got a ThermoPro TP20 meat thermometer. And it has now officially lasted me more than a year. I haven't burnt it out. I haven't wrecked it. Because that's the other thing. It's like I'm sometimes kind of careless with my shit and I just ruin it. And there are objectively better ones. is sort of the thing that everyone loves, but they're a hundred bucks. This is 50 and it is doing the thing for me. It's half the price. I haven't had to replace it in a year. That's a big one. And it's great.
Everett	And I, and I kind of like the, you can get a meter for 70 bucks on prime.
Andrew	Okay. You can get a four pack for 200. So, okay. So you can, So spend 30 extra bucks, get a meter. I, I like not having my phone attached to it. Like the not app thing. I like, I see it because it's got a readout. It's got, yeah, it has a home station. I like having that because I put on my apron, I've got my phone in one pocket, I've got my thermometer readout in another one. I've got like just kind of shit in my pockets. I like that and I really appreciate the functionality of an app based platform, right? Like my Masterbuilt has an app and I use it and I just, I would way rather have an independent readout that's, it's just for that. And when I'm done with it, I put it back in the drawer. When I'm going to use it, I pull it out and put it in my pocket. I don't, I don't know what that is. I don't like, that's just a thing. I prefer not to be using my phone for the application. But this ThermoPro is money. It's doing all the things that I want. I also have one of the, uh, the just manual meat probes from ThermoPro and they're kind of a, I don't know, they're an economy brand in the space and they work great. Yeah. So 50 bucks a, Wireless it has a like if you if you want to if you want to use your phone get a meter If you don't want to use your phone Like if you want to be able to just set it down and also have other people in your house Monitoring your temperature.
Unknown	Mm-hmm.
Andrew	This is this is money super accurate. I haven't burned it out I've been it's been in high temps. It's been in low temps. It's been in temp at like for periods of time and It has not yet failed
Everett	In terms of a probe, I'll just quickly just say I've had a Thermopop 2 for years, or maybe it was the original Thermopop. I've had a Thermopop probe for years. I think I spent $35 on it, and that's probably the best cooking investment I've ever made in my life.
Andrew	Up until this point, I've had probably six $15 versions that work really well until they don't, and then they don't, and that becomes problematic. I have not had the don't experience yet with this.
Everett	That's how I feel about my thermo pop. I bought that. I spent 35 bucks and I've just been in my drawer. I pull it out. The battery hasn't even died. It's just, it's just like fucking brilliant. So, uh, that's a good, that's a good, that's a good recommendation. I've got another thing. It's a podcast. It's called beyond all repair. It's a podcast from WBUR public radio. I don't know where WBUR is out of, but I also don't care. Um, this is a, this is a true crime podcast. It feels a lot to me like the, the overall vibe is a lot like, um, serial season one, the Adnan. It's east of the Mississippi. Adnan. That's right. Yeah. Cause of the W the Adnan Syed story that was Rachel Koenig's season one of serial, you know, the kind of, caught the nation's attention. To true crime. Like, Serial did a thing. Yeah, that's right. And it was sort of like this fellow who had been convicted of murdering his girlfriend, and then it seemed like there was all these prosecutorial problems. And, you know, over time, I think the public opinion has maybe kind of changed on the story. Anyway, that's not the story. So this Beyond All Repair has a really similar vibe. So you come in, on a phone call between a brother and a sister. And you know, at the end of the day, this brother winds up going to the police and saying, Hey, my sister killed her mother-in-law. And this, the story is all about this reporter unpacking and I, her name is Amory. Oh, shoot. I'm looking. Amory Sievertson. Sievertson. And she's the one who hosts the podcast. She's terrific. But it's all about sort of her unpacking the story. And she did this over the course of about three years. This, you know, this family has some dysfunction. As you might imagine, there's these three kids and they're all sort of different age, much different. But The way the story has been unpacked. So I've been really careful. So I'm on episode nine now, which is the penultimate episode and I'm right in the middle of it. I love that word. Penultimate. Penultimate.
Andrew	It's one of my favorite.
Everett	It's a good one. Describer. Second to last.
Andrew	Words. What's that? What's a describer word?
Everett	Uh, an adjective?
Andrew	No, an adjectives. Oh yeah, I guess an adjective.
Everett	Um, so, uh, Here's what I'll say. The shoes have started to drop in the story.
Andrew	They may be fallen.
Everett	And what they've done with this, it's really good and I recommend it, but what they do with this is, you know, a lot of times these podcasts will sort of like really sort of let the cat out of the bag early. This thing has continued to surprise you as you move along. The story, that they've released parts of the story really deliberately. And I think that a cynical view would be to say that they're kind of like tricking you or they're hiding the ball, but it's been fun to listen to, which is all I care about, right? It's been entertaining. Yeah. That's the thing. The entertainment value has been incredibly high. And so here I am, like I said, in episode nine, the theme of episode nine has just dropped. I've got one episode left and I still don't know that I know the story, right? And I'm not sure I'll know it after episode nine either. But, um, again, I don't want to let, I don't want to let too much out, but there's, there's a murder, a really horrific murder that actually happened. And so just fair warning, um, that is the centerpiece of this, but the way that the story has been unveiled to us has been, Absolutely terrific. One of the best sort of told story podcasts I've listened to in a very long time. I am doing the thing where I get to work and I sort of sit in the car for an extra five minutes because I want to get to a natural segue. It's been terrific. So WBR, WBUR, the podcast is called Beyond All Repair. Annemarie Sievertson about Sophia and Sean Kariah and the the murder that they were sort of jointly accused of have committing committed in the early 2000s. And the story of that really terrific. If you like true crime, if you like this sort of thing, I highly recommend checking it out.
Unknown	I like that.
Everett	Andrew, is there anything else you want to talk about before we go?
Andrew	No, I'm out of things.
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