The $3000 Divers

Published on Fri, 26 Apr 2024 17:44:52 -0700

Synopsis

Andrew and Everett discuss their top picks for dive watches around the $3,000 price point. They go through a list of watches including the Doxa 300, Monta Ocean King, Tudor Black Bay 58, Seiko Marine Master models, Tag Heuer Aquaracer, Longines Hydroconquest GMT, and Zelos Swordfish. They analyze the pros and cons of each watch, comparing factors like build quality, finishing, brand heritage, and value for money. The conversation highlights the diverse options available at this price range, from established luxury brands to microbrands, and the trade-offs one has to consider.

Transcript

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Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the Watch Cooker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett Man, besides my board having been sabotaged. Yeah, fine. There was board sabotage, mixing board sabotage, but no, I'm fine. Andrew, how are you?
Andrew I have a four year old. who loves the slides and buttons. Yeah. And he comes in here when nobody's awake and he empties it all the contents of my bag and draws on everything.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew Colors on things. cuts it with scissors.
Everett Sabotages our mixing board.
Andrew I don't think he's sabotaging the mixing board. I think he is an audio engineer.
Everett Oh, sure. He's like an apprentice.
Andrew Dad's levels were a little high in the last episode. He's practicing. He knows that you guys think that I'm a little loud and I come in a little hot, so he backs my volume way down. He also thinks that with my volume back down, It's also reasonable that you should turn down my headset.
Everett Are you low on the headset? Just a touch.
Andrew Just a touch.
Everett How about now? We're better? That's perfect. We're mixing live, you guys. Yeah.
Andrew He does that. That's a thing that we're constantly in battle against.
Everett Yeah. You know what? It turned out okay. All's well that ends well. Thanks for the editorial decision making, Kelvin, we really appreciate it. But yeah, no, Andrew, I'm good. It's the we're like, full on into spring, approaching summer, which this is really one of my favorite times, everything is getting green. You know, the my yard is getting in shape. I don't know how much I've talked about the yard this year yet. Not enough yet. But it's happening. It's happening. I, you know what I decided, I don't know what, January 1st, somewhere around there, I was like, the yard has gone too long without being given attention. And so I, I went hard. I got up all the sort of dead stuff and the leaves, the kids had put leaves on. So man, you know, hit it hard, started fertilizing earlier than really you need to, but just to sort of bring it back. And I would say I'm like, I think I'm about 15, maybe 20 days out from being real solid on the yard. I've, I've given it more food than it, certainly I've given it more food than it actually needs. I've got another bag of Milorganite in the garage, ready to go. I think I'm going to give it two more weeks. It's going to be good to go all, all summer. I, you know what? I get, I get nerdy about everything, obviously. I've been looking. Do you know anything about like micro nutrients that you can put in your yard? This is the like new trend in yard care.
Andrew I've read about them because I. I also want to have a good looking front lawn, but I realized because of the position of my trailer in the driveway, there is a I don't know, a four by four patch of grass right in the middle of the yard. That just does not get sun. So it's mossy and dead.
Everett I think you could put fescue in there and it would be just fine. I think you could put fine fescue in it and it would, it would do fine.
Andrew Yeah. I need to, I need to fix it. That's my next week, next weekend endeavor is trying to play a little catch up.
Everett Yeah, I'd be careful overseeding this late. You're a little late to overseed. I would say just fertilize it, get it to come back as good as you can. And then in the, in September, we'll do it together. We'll make it a, we'll make it a dad weekend and we'll hit the yards together. Cause I'm going to, I'm going to hit it again. This is this September. I'm going to go hard.
Andrew Well, I've got a weird yard here. Cause right now my neighbors are excavating the backyard to remove all the bamboo.
Everett The bamboo. Have we, I'm sure we've talked about the bamboo on the show.
Andrew We have talked about the bamboo. So over the last month. Uh, my neighbors at rather than renting a little front loader or any kind of excavator, uh, have been using hand tools and we have probably, Ooh, would you say like a 50 foot, 60 foot fence line?
Everett Yeah, maybe even more than that. It might be, it might be 120 feet.
Andrew A good, a property line.
Everett Yeah. Fence line.
Andrew Yeah. Uh, they have, excavated the entirety of the width.
Everett With like shovels and picks.
Andrew Shovels and pickaxes and and uh loppers to get through. So they've excavated the entire fence line. What I didn't realize until um they had done this is that their yard is actually about two feet higher than mine. Oh. So there was two feet of earth against the fence oh my gosh vertical before their ground level so they've excavated an easy 10 yards lots of dirt by hand to remove all the bamboo uh and two days ago they started in my yard uh so they've knocked out some fence boards and have been coming through the fence and doing the same because I have about an 18 inch retaining wall.
Everett And just to be clear, this is by your, at your request because of the bamboo.
Andrew Demand?
Everett Yeah.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah.
Everett Legal demand perhaps even.
Andrew Yeah. Uh, so the, yes, this is all, this isn't just like a, Hey, hi, welcome to my backyard. This was, this was orchestrated and insisted upon. Um, so they started in my backyard, which means that my backyard is just going to be kind of torn up or they've, done a big chunk and are going to have to remove the retaining wall. And so I've kind of, I have an opportunity for a full reset this, uh, this year. So yeah, I'm hoping over the next two weeks, they'll finish my yard in September, man.
Everett That's the time to hit it. I think you're going to have to deal this summer because it's too late really to get new grass on the ground. That's fine.
Andrew Yeah. I, my, my first, first time we pull a trailer out it's next month. So, uh, I can, I can deal with my front lawn looking like trash.
Everett Well, Andrew, we're not here to talk about yards. Although I easily at this point in my life could do a yard part, like a lawn podcast. I feel comfortable that I could get into it. Way more prepared to do a lawn podcast than I was in 2018 to do a watches podcast, put it that way. And yet here we are. This has worked out okay. Um, Yeah. No, we're not here to talk about lawns. We're here to talk about watches. Uh, and we're recording earlier in the week than we normally do. We normally record on Tuesday or Wednesday, uh, which is vestigial to your time on the police force, no longer on the police force, but we still record on Tuesday or Wednesday because we publish on Thursdays and we're both procrastinators for all time sake. We're recording on Sunday, which means that you won't hear us for for what, three and a half days?
Andrew Several days now. Um, four days. I mean, it's Thursday morning.
Everett Yeah. Uh, so you won't hear us for several days. All that to say, we're not gonna do a roundup because our, our roundup is still pretty fresh. We're, we wanted to do something a little different. We did. I won't say we're going to do old school cause I don't know that we've ever done this format.
Andrew No, this is a little different. And this is kind of our, our jam is I'll, I'll pitch an idea and about an hour later, you've kind of, you've digested it, maybe refined it a little bit or come up with something that maybe better speaks to you. And it's been once or twice.
Everett So that's happened.
Andrew And, And we pivot a little bit while still keeping the core idea there.
Everett I wouldn't say this, that's collaborative idea. I wouldn't say this, this, the pivot tonight better suited me. I think it just made sense in the context of where we're going with our conversation.
Andrew It absolutely made sense. Um, cause I think with our original idea, I don't know. I mean, we never can get this done in an hour. Uh, I think we can have a little bit more meaningful conversation.
Everett Initially, we were going to talk about watches at different price points. So we had sort of highlighted four price points. And as I was going through, I was like, you know, we ought to spend some more time at the $3,000 figure because I can think of off the top of my head, like four or five really good candidates. And then as I started kind of looking more and more, All the watches that I was really interested in talking about were all sort of, and I was like, you know what? $3,000 is a really cool price point for dive watches. I think dive watches in particular, I think that is a real, um, you know, diminishing, diminishing returns inflection point, which is not to say you can't get more watch above $3,000. And there's some examples I think that we might sort of reference as we move through today. But at $3,000, A, there's a ton of variety. And B, there's some really, a lot of really, really interesting, interesting watches. So between the two of us, we've come up with, I don't know, seven or eight watches that we're going to kind of blast through. But I think the idea of today's show is that next level or that sort of entry-level luxury watch or maybe mid-level luxury watch, the $3,000 dive watch, it just feels like a really natural place for us to kind of have a whole show. And yeah, you can do better and you can do a lot of this for a lot less money, right? We've talked on this show a lot about Traska and Laurier, and Christopher Ward, I think is a big one. You know, there are a lot of watches that you can get into for, you know, $500, $600, $1,000, even like $1,500. At $1,500, there are so many really spot on, very, very, very good watches. But we're not talking about those today. We're talking about that next level, that $3,000, that $2,500 to $3,000 watch.
Andrew Which captures a little bit of an odd space for some watch pricing. There's some stuff that exists south of $3,000 that is really competitive with stuff that's at $5,000 and there's some kind of oddities, things that like maybe don't fit there. This is, this is a tricky, uh, a tricky price point. There's some stuff in that zone in that's like North of two South of four that really don't belong there, at least in my opinion, that don't have the ass to be competitive. So part of what we're talking about tonight is the stuff that's really interesting in this Spend some money. Yeah. Zone. Yeah. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. Well, I think with that, well, why don't we get into it? Cause there's, there's, I, I like the, I like the sort of draft and not that we're drafting watches, but, um, you, we've got this list of watches in front of us, Andrew, I think we generally had this peer overlap deal.
Andrew I added, I added two things to, to the conversation as a sides and I'll send them to you now.
Everett Do you just want to pull one from the top and we'll get into it?
Andrew Give me... Why don't you start, because I'm sending you links. So, okay.
Everett First watch, first $3,000-ish dollar watch, and this watch actually comes in significantly below that. The first $3,000 dive watch, and this is kind of an obvious one, is the Doxa 300. Now, there are... Some other watches, in particular, the 300T and then the brand new newly released 200T are both sort of in this world. But for this conversation, I think it makes sense for us to talk about the Dockset 300. And that's because of the pricing. This watch comes in at $2,490. And I think with that, it is actually the most affordable watch on our list. With both of those other versions, the 300T coming in at $1,890 and the 200T coming in well below that.
Andrew Yeah, the 200T is, they're pricing it at $1,590 right now.
Everett But with the 300, I do think you're getting the most sort of modern and the most luxurious of the of the three options.
Andrew But also the most interesting because you're getting a box Sapphire in it. You're getting a. The 300 is a is a and the 300 T are really interesting pairing. You I would almost expect the 300 to be the box Sapphire version like the pure retro big chunky beef cake. But the 300 is, is the one with the box Sapphire. So to, to, to add a little bit of context here for those who are unfamiliar, the 300 and 300 and 300 T are wholly independent lines within the Doxa lineup. The 300 has box Sapphire, a little bit less water resistance. Well, a lot less water resistance. Quite, quite a bit. No, so no helium release valve, a little bit different case shape. Um, little bit shorter lug to lug. And yeah, 300 is the shorter lug to lug.
Everett Yes. So the 300 comes in at 44 and a half lug to lug or excuse me, the 300 T comes in at 44 and a half and the 300 at 42 and a half, which just changes the perspective of your lugs a little bit.
Andrew It looks a little bit more refined in the 300. And then the T is just a beefy tool watch. It's 15 thick and the 300 is 13.4. Yeah. Without the box sapphire. It's interesting because if you look at these two watches side by side, it's not really clear why there's a $400 Delta.
Everett Yeah. Well, I mean, especially if you're looking sort of top down as most of us do when we, when we look at these watches, uh, you'd be mistaken or you, you would be forgiven for kind of like, what's the, what's the difference here? What's the actual difference between these, um, you know, having handled both the, the 300 T obviously, like you said, 15 plus millimeters, it's, it's a big honking watch. I think I'm a T guy. Yeah, you said that before. And I, and I'm certainly a 300 guy. Um, I, you know, the 300 T although I'm attracted by 1200 meters of water resistance, it's really cool. This is a big bad-ass do anything watch. Um, the 300 I think for, for me is that the modern sort of practical and elegant iteration of this.
Andrew Yeah. It's a much more appropriate desk diver slash actual all the time. diver. The tea is just a beefcake, but I'm in a little bit of a beefcake phase right now. I'm, I'm like really struggling with some, some things.
Everett Well, what things are you struggling with?
Andrew I really want a, like a 2018 overbuilt, big badass dive watch.
Everett Okay. What would, do you have, do you have thoughts?
Andrew Yeah, I have a lot of thoughts. Uh, you know, the T's kind of in there. Uh, the, the full size Pelagos is in there, which is a watch that we're not going to talk about today. Um, and that's kind of what I've pared down to. Um, I, you know, and I think the, the full size Pelagos, I really wish could be in this conversation. Uh, but I'm also like, there's some Seamaster pro kinda that's still like on the fringe of in the running in competition because I know I would wear the shit out of that watch. I mean, James Bond did, so.
Everett You know, I think we can come back to the Polo Ghosts, too, maybe a little bit later, at least briefly. But yeah, so to kick us off, I think it's fair to allow Docsita to kick us off, in particular with that $300 I think as I sort of think about what's the, what's my dive watch? I'm going to get like a, I'm going to get like a next level dive watch. And what am I going to wind up with? This one's always on that, always on that short list as I think through that process. So I think it makes, I think it makes sense. I think in some ways we're going to talk about a few other watches today that I think are sort of, usurping that, but I think for a long time, up until maybe five or six years ago, it was maybe the undisputed king of that next level dive watch.
Andrew Yeah. Because it's, it's still, it holds this position at this price point that is still pretty accessible. You know, we're looking at 18 to $2,400 for a heritage brand.
Everett Well, yeah, I guess. Yeah.
Andrew I mean, you know, a brand with some chops.
Everett Yeah. Sort of like a, uh, certainly a zombie brand, but with a bit of like bona fides to it.
Andrew Some legacy, uh, It's got the story of, you know, the Jacques Cousteau. It's got, it's got things going for it. Yeah. Yeah. It's got some great colorways, really classic, iconic, even case design. And it's not crazy expensive. If you're in, you know, in a mood to, to buy a no bullshit dive watch. You've got a little bit of money to throw away around. You're feeling a little reckless. $2,400 is a lot easier to swallow than five to 10. And there's no wait list. You can just go on the website today. You can buy it. I don't know if you can get them on Joma Shop. Joma Shop is always 17% off. Like you can get a good deal on these and you can get it today. It'll be in your mailbox.
Everett within the week. And you hit the nail on the head in terms of like watch iconography. This is the Doxa 300 is a player. Yeah.
Andrew What's next? Next up, I want to talk about maybe the kind of exact opposite in the Manta Ocean King.
Everett Oh, yeah. I feel what you're I'm picking up what you're putting down.
Andrew So the Manta Ocean King 2550 from their website today, the Ocean King has gone through, I don't know, 200 iterations since its release.
Everett Well, this is, so currently this is the V3, right?
Andrew It just feels like many more.
Everett Yeah, I'd be wrong. I think this is the third. So the one that came out last year is the third generation of the Ocean King. Now we don't, I don't think we have time today to talk about that update. Frank wrote a terrific review of this, uh, which is on our website and maybe we'll link to that. But yeah, I'm pretty sure this is gen three of Montez sort of dive watch. This is their dive watch.
Andrew And the gen three is lovely. It's a 40 and a half millimeter case. It's 12 millimeters thick, 48 lug to lug 20 millimeter lugs. so as to fit appropriately the Everest straps. For those of you who are somehow unaware, all of Manta's watches have an option with Everest straps with curved ends that just fit perfectly. But the reason I say this is exactly the opposite of the Doxa is that this is a young brand with that's still out proving itself. It is refined, elegant. This is not a tool watch. There's no version of this that looks like a banger like in the way of like you bang it up and you swing a hammer while you're wearing it.
Everett It's interesting. I think that this is sort of the epitome of a tool watch.
Andrew It is the epitome of a tool watch, but it's also so elegant. The way they've incorporated polish on the case and the color on the dial. This is closer to a dress diver, at least every time I've had one in my hands, right? This is like the same kind of high polished spaces as you know, if we take it way back to like orient, you know, the, of, of the, um, of, of their like dress divers, like that comma, the comma, the comma, assume Mako zone with like a lot of polish, a very elegant watch, but with all of the chops of a terrific tool watch, because these are, these are great tool watches and they look fantastic. And, you know, It's it's Monta who's this like kind of new kid on the block who's doing some of the coolest R&D in the industry in the in like watch development and doing shit so cool.
Everett You know I think for a lot of people Monta is a bit of a tough pill to swallow because of how new they are. I think we're still in this phase of watches where people don't know like Do they, you know, is micro-brand a bad word? Is Manta a micro-brand? You know, what is a micro-brand? Does it make sense to invest in a fly-by-night operation? Blah, blah, blah. You know, Manta was a brand that existed before we started doing this. You know, although in the earliest phases, we've sort of seen them mature into what is now a really pretty cohesive and well supported. They've got good foundations at this point, and their supply chain is really good. And what we've seen is what Justin promised, I think, the very first time they came on the show, which is sort of a steady climb in prices to get them to a margin that would allow that company to do what they want to do.
Andrew Gone are the days of an $1,800 Manta.
Everett That's right. And time will tell, you know, these things still fetch pretty good prices on the secondary market. You can still get a really pretty decent discount. And so that's always kind of the question mark, right? If you can buy one of these new, you know, like new in-box LINB Um, is there L L N I B. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. Sorry. I was just trying to be cute. Uh, you are it for, you know, maybe 600, 700 off then, you know, there's a, there's a value question.
Andrew Uh, but that's not a huge, a huge price Delta. You know, we, most things are more than six, $700 off when you're buying them secondhand. I think that speaks to, the value of the brand is that a killer deal is $600 off of the new price. And when we're, when we're looking now at, at Manta pricing, which, which hovered North of 2000, everything's between 2000, 2,500 bucks, 2,600 bucks. You know, the ocean King's 25 50 right now, uh, you know, to get a screaming deal on this at 1800 bucks. These things are holding their value, and I think it really speaks to the place that they've carved out in the market.
Everett And you know, I'm going through our list right now, just sort of skimming our list. I think I can say confidently that this is the nicest watch on our list. There's one other watch that I think is going to be pretty close to that, but this is the nicest new. Well, the best constructed watch is what I'm saying, like the highest quality in terms of the bracelet, the bracelet construction... The Hashmanta bracelets are so good. The dials and the markers, all of this objectively speaking, there's obviously a subjective analysis to all these things, but just in terms of the refinement and the quality and fit and finish that you're getting on this. This is the nicest watch we're going to talk about. And so coming in at $2,500 or $2,550, which is a solid, you know, Seiko or Laurier below our $3,000 price point, you're getting the nicest watch on the list.
Andrew And pulling a $2,500 Seiko, you run the risk of a misaligned bezel. Sure. There's a coin toss on The bracelet, it's as much as I love Seiko, there are inherent problems with Seiko. And they don't exist with Manta because a real human person touches every single watch. Who gives a shit? Like a real human person who gives a shit touches every single watch.
Everett So next, and this is a bit of a cheat, but we didn't really have like hard limits. We're not competing today or even pretending to compete, but you've got to talk about this watch. I found this watch at $3,285, which I think effectively, if you're looking for a $3,000 dive watch, $3,285 is going to be fine. We've got to talk about it. The Tudor Black Bay 58, so just Just for the record, I've got this on Joma Shop with a Mother's Day sale for $3,285. And I think if you work, you can usually find these new for a little over three grand. The Black Bay 58, what more to say?
Andrew Yeah. And the Black Bay 58 is, at this price point, the little brother of the most iconic dive watch ever created. It's a super comfortable watch. They're so attractive. They're simple. They're sized really well. Uh, they are, oh gosh, I had the size. Uh, so this is the 39 millimeter case. 39 millimeter case is 11 nine thick.
Everett That's the 58, right? It's the 39 by 12. So virtually the same dimensions as the Manta. Manta's a little bit wider and a tenth of a millimeter thicker. These watches are basically one-to-one. I do think with the Manta, you're getting a better-looking bracelet, for sure. Probably a better constructed bracelet. slightly. It's marginal. And the dials on these two watches don't compare. I mean, look, just objectively speaking, the dial on the Manta Ocean King is a much, much nicer dial, but the Black Bay 58 is the reigning champ.
Andrew It's the Black Bay 58. I wish Tudor put a little bit more into their clasp.
Everett Yeah, I mean, it's I don't think they need to but but yeah, it would be nice if they did.
Andrew It's just it's just an afterthought. And I don't know. I haven't had a recent Manta bracelet in hand to feel their class because I know they did some changes.
Everett The new ones are really spectacular. They're they're long, right, which is always going to be the criticism of that their very system is just the length. And I do think that they, they got that length down a little bit, which is to say it's about still about, it's about one wrist, 125% of ultimately what I would like a class to be.
Andrew You know, I, I actually really like it cause I, I, we're going back to the ocean King here incidentally. Um, I, I felt like it made it way easier to, um, to size the bracelet. Because the clasp takes up so much space that you're doing less link changes on each side. Now for, and I have a short y-axis wrist, but my x-axis is long.
Everett I would have said that the opposite. You've got kind of a round wrist.
Andrew Thin wrist, but wide. Thin and wide. A rectangular wrist as opposed to like circular. Okay. At least I feel in the way my watches wear. Sure. I'm good with that long clasp.
Everett Yeah, no, it works for me too. I think if you've got a smaller wrist, I think you could have trouble with that. But yeah, no, I'm with you. Yeah.
Andrew So back on to the 58. This isn't a cheat, man. This is in the zone. Yeah, it's over three grand, but this is, you know, this is the dive watch. If you can find this at under 3,500 bucks, you're getting a screaming deal. They're super comfortable and they're the watch, right? They're it.
Everett Yeah, right. At this $3,000 level, this is the one that I think most people are going to get, which You know, you're probably going to have to push a little bit past that. If you've said arbitrarily 3000 is my number, you're going to, you're going to have to push a little bit past that, but you'd be hard pressed to find a better made it watch at that price. I mean, this is the one I think right now. Um, and, and, and I think until something major happens in the industry, this is the one to beat. Uh, It's an interesting thought experiment, you and I knowing what we know, and both of us being huge Manta fans, notwithstanding the people, we're both friends with Justin and Mike, and notwithstanding that, I think I can make a pretty good case that at $1,000 less, or $800 less certainly, that the Manta's a better value, but I still... it would be inclined to to at least take a look at that that tutor.
Andrew I think I'm happier with the Ocean King and more excited by the Black Bay. Yeah. Because the Ocean King is is going to be everything that the Black Bay is.
Everett But not. Yeah. You know, and maybe it's like a high school reunion versus a watch gathering. decision, right? You know, yeah, maybe you were the tutor to the high school reunion, but maybe you were the Monta to the watch gathering because it's more interesting or someone might know or the, the, the fuck, marry, kill scenario.
Andrew You marry the ocean King. Yeah. But again, you want to fuck that black Bay. I got you. Um, yeah, I, I love that watch and this watch is on and off my, my very short list of, uh, of a, banger tool watch tool dive watch right now.
Everett Um, you know, I think that those are the usual suspects, Andrew. And so I apologize if you're listening to us and you're like, guys, you're 35 minutes in and you, you have not surprised. I think we've got some fun ones coming up.
Andrew You know, we're not here. We're not here for shock value or, uh, really insight. We're not smart people. If you guys like, I don't know what you guys are want from us. Uh, Next up, I'm going to talk about the C60 Trident Pro 300. And these are significantly less. These are coming in at $1,000, not $100. $1,095 on a bracelet. If you're in the United States, you're going to pay a little bit of customs, import tax. I don't remember how much my C63 was. I don't think I paid, actually. I think I sent Christopher Ward the invoice. I did. I sent Christopher Ward the invoice and they covered it. They covered it? Yeah. And they released my watch. Because I remember bitching about it when I got hung up in customs and I asked Will and he's like, oh, just send it to Christopher Ward and they'll solve it.
Everett And they did in fact. So an $1,100 watch, Andrew, how do you think this one fits into this conversation of the $3,000 watch?
Andrew Because of what it is. Christopher Ward does such a great job punching out of its weight class, the finishing, the fit, the materials, the design overall makes it so much more than what you're paying for. Right? When I, if you hold a Black Bay and an Ocean King and a Trident, the three of those watches in your hand, you are going to easily find the most expensive because you're going to recognize the tutor. Oh, that's the most expensive. And then comparing the Ocean King and the Trident side by side, you're going to have a hard, it's a coin toss on, on which one you're going to be able to pick out to be the next most expensive watch because Christopher Ward does such a good job with what they're putting out. Everything is refined. Everything is, is just right. Now there's a real difference. You know, for weirdos like us, we can pick it out immediately. But for the normal person buying a watch who's looking to spend some money on a baller dive watch, this has to be in that $3,000 conversation. Because it wins every single time in the thousand dollar conversation. I don't think there's anybody else that competes that, that would win in that thousand dollar conversation over the track.
Everett Yeah, but we're not talking about thousand dollar watches.
Andrew It's also not a thousand dollars. It's $1,100. Uh, but I want to talk about it. I want to bring this into the conversation because of what Christopher Ward does with their watches. They punches, they punch way out of their weight class. and do some banging shit and it's not $1,000. So I uncheated you.
Everett You know, for my money, there is a Christopher Ward watch that I think I would, I would include in this conversation. The Elite? As sort of, I think the Aquitaine GMT is something that I might consider throwing into here. Um, Which is not to say that I think it fits, but I think it's a watch that you might consider. I know there's another watch on your list, which I would, that I would kind of talk about in the same way. It's like, you know, maybe you don't have to push that hard. Maybe you can get all the things you're looking at for, you know, about half of your budget or a little bit more than half of your budget. With that said, um, You know, I think you're right. You're spot on, which is to say, uh, which is to say, Christopher Ward is really doing a lot at this, you know, 1400, $1,500 price range. Um, you know, there's the super compressor, the elite GMT 1000. Uh, yeah, I'm, I'm with you. Um, I think that there's, excuse me. I think that there's some great options from Christopher Ward.
Andrew The light catcher case is one of the coolest things in the industry right now.
Everett Yeah. I think maybe the point then is Christopher Ward's not a $3,000 watch, not because they're not making watches as good as, but just perhaps because they're cheaper. Yeah.
Andrew It's interesting. And their finishing isn't $3,000 watch finishing. Yeah, that's right. It just is not. But neither is Doxa. No, but Manta is. Yeah. Tudor is. And there's no perfect watch out there. There's a lot that come really close. There's a lot of end game watches. It's what are you willing to trade off? You know, in Doxa and in Christopher Ward, you're trading off finishing. You're getting a more tool watch. In Manta, you're paying the dollars for the finishing and for the technology and for the R&D and for the cool factors. And with Tudor, you're paying for the logo at the 12 o'clock.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I think you're getting a hell of a watch too. It's interesting because you said there's not a perfect watch. And I might've argued even just a few months ago that Patek with the Nautilus had come pretty close, but then they were only 30. Now they only have 30 meters. You're not going to get it. Let's talk about Seiko. Let's talk about Seiko and not Grand Seiko. We're going to talk about some $3,000, two watches from Seiko at the $3,000 price point. Now Seiko's got actually quite a bit of stuff. you know, at that $2,000 to $3,000 level. But I think we're going to, I'd like to talk about two watches. So, uh, the, the, the first one is the sort of classic Marine Master SLA Marine Master 300. This is a watch that, um, comes in, you know, 3,100, you know, anywhere from 3,000, uh, to 3,100 new. This is the classic Marine Master 300, the SLA-021. So this was redialed a few years back to have a Prospex dial, which I think a lot of people don't love that Prospex. There's some brand confusion there. It's still a Marine Master 3000, or excuse me, 300. Have I been saying 3000? have not been listening. Yeah, I'm sorry. This watch is gorgeous. It is a big chunky watch. You know, big Monica case.
Andrew But I think at 3000 bucks, it's also not big. It's only 12 three thick at 47 to lug lug 39 and a half case width.
Everett It's so, okay. So wait, you've jumped the gun. Yeah. So this is the SLA-021. So case size 44.3, 15.4 thick, a 50 and a half millimeter lug to lug. You've got 300 meters of water resistance and a Seiko 8L movement. This is the classic Marine Master with the big chunky case. And in fairness, it's not that chunky. Big giant seven and a half millimeter crown. at 430. This is the... Date at 430. Date three. Date three. We're talking about wholly different... Andrew, this is the Marine Master 300. We are... The SLA-021.
Andrew I don't have an SLA-201 in front of me. 021.
Everett This is the classic Marine Master 300. Yeah. These come in at about $3,100 from Seiko. You've got probably Seiko's best clasp that they make, which is to say it's still a piece of shit. Um, but this watch is cool. This watch is cool in a way that, that makes it for me in that conversation, puts it in that conversation. If I'm going to spend $3,000 on a dive watch, this is a watch that I'm going to think about getting. You sent me so many Seikos. I sent exactly two Seikos.
Andrew Well. Give me a second here. So I can catch up because I I'm looking at. There it is, OK. Yeah, I. This isn't mine for 3000 bucks. I'm sorry. This is, this isn't the, this isn't the thing I want for 3000 bucks.
Everett Yeah. What do you want for 3000 bucks?
Andrew I love these. I mean, they're iconic. They're big, they're chunky. They're, they're the thing. If we're, if we're in the, in the three thou, well, so you said you were gonna talk about two, so you can talk about your second.
Everett Well, so the other, the other watch that I think is interesting at this price point is the new Marine Master. Now these came out, what end of last year? Um, and I think immediately the enthusiast gut reaction was how do you put the Marine Master label? How do you put the Marine Master label on this watch?
Andrew I'm not a Marine Master.
Everett And, and so, You know, Seiko takes umbrage with their branding and they make decisions. This has got that sort of classic SLA or excuse me, that, that classic, uh, 1965 Seiko dive DNA. Um, you can sort of see it as you look at the watch, but it doesn't have a monocoque case. It's not 300 meters. So how, how is this Marine Master? Well, I think what this is, is Seiko's modern Marine Master, love it or hate it. I actually think this watch is pretty terrific. So we've got a local AD here in town. I did wind up trying one of these on. It wasn't for sale at the time, which I was like, well, that's, that's good for me because I wasn't going to buy it anyway. But you might've. This watch, I think in pictures, looks a little awkward in particular. I don't love the end link integration. Um, so, so just, just to be clear, this is the Seiko SJE 101 1965 Marine master. With that said, once you get past that, the quality here is, is there 40 millimeter case, just a hair over 12 thick, 200 meters of water resistance. You've got, fine clasp. The clasp isn't anything to write home about. But this is a watch that I think if you're an enthusiast and you want something really nice and you want something really fun, I think that you could do a lot worse than this. At the end of the day, you could do better than this too, which I think is the point of this show. I have I think I'd have reservations in recommending this to someone. Unless this was a person that knew what they wanted, I'd have reservations recommending this watch.
Andrew If this is a pure Seiko person, this is a Seiko recommendation. But I'm with you. I think you can do better for less. You can do better for a little bit more. I love you love, we love Seiko. This isn't an awkward space for them to exist in this $3,000 kind of zone. Yeah. Uh, I think they struggle and they, they don't live well here. Uh, which is fine. Cause that's not really what we want Seiko to be good at. It'd be cool if they were, but it's not an expectation of them to, to punch hard in this, at this weight class.
Everett Yeah. You know, you get one of 10, 62 MAS reinterpretations with the 6L movement and a $3,000 price tag. If you really want it, I'll support it.
Andrew Yeah. And, and, you know, I wouldn't be unhappy with this watch. You know, you'd love this watch.
Everett Yeah. The, the, the fit and finish on this thing is really pretty spectacular for a Seiko. I really, I was pretty impressed by it.
Andrew And, and for it being a, you know, the being poo-pooed on by Marine Master purists, This is what Seiko is doing. Seiko is diluting all of their heritage lines, updating them a little bit, diluting them a little bit. And this is, that's what we get, right? This is, that's, that's progress. Andrew, what's next for you? Oh, next up for me. I want to talk about the Tag Heuer Aquaracer. The 200. The Professional 200. Yeah. This is, uh, so CH Premier. 2850 is where we've got this. And these are spectacular. 40 millimeter case, 200 meters of water resistance. And they're just, they're super Tag Heuer. They still feel like the nineties with kind of blocky geometry on them and all the good stuff. This is something I'd recommend to anybody because Tag Heuer is living in the modern era. This isn't the Tag Heuer of the 90s, though this is so of the 90s and early 2000s. This is a cool watch. It's a little bit weird, but it's such a cool watch. Big crown guards, big oversized crown, great color on the dial, great bracelet. This is This is the one. Yeah. Cause it's kind of a sport diver, right? This doesn't look like a big tool diver. This looks like a sport watch with a rotating bezel.
Everett Yeah, I think that's right. So I think they, these were introduced sometime in 2022, you know, you can find actually some pretty good deals on these. These actually hover, I think MSRP on these is like $2,800, but you can find these regularly pretty close to $2,000. I think this is a pretty terrific watch. It's got that, you know, 2000s, late 90s, 2000s sort of aesthetic with a really You know, the bezel is really sort of aggressive and faceted. But in the package of a perfectly modern, really terrific watch, you can get these in solar too. I mean, there's a ton of options. I'd probably go just the mechanical or the automatic on this. really a pretty terrific watch ultimately at the end of the day. I think you get that branding, you get Tag Heuer's sort of new commitment to the enthusiast. This to me is very much an enthusiast watch made for people that appreciate the brand, but without any of the, without any of the shortcuts that Tag was, was taking a dozen years ago.
Andrew Yeah. And they're still living in the shadow of. Yeah, I think that's right. Though they're not existing in that place anymore. TAG's doing some really cool shit.
Everett Great teak dials on these. And you're getting a good brand. I mean, it's not Tudor. It's perhaps not even Manta, at least these days. But, you know, the truth is most TAG Heuers are going to be more expensive than this. Most TAG Heuers that are this good are going to be more expensive than this in 2024. This is sort of the entry level Tag Heuer dive watch and it's mechanical and it's really, really good.
Andrew We're to the golf course, man. Everyone will like it there.
Everett Yeah, I think that's right. Yeah. I'd wear this to the golf court. Great loom on these two, by the way.
Andrew What you got?
Everett I'm going to do a bit of a audible because while this is a dive watch, I would say this is a dive watch. We've got an extra feature here. I love these. So this is the Longines Hydro Conquest GMT. Honorable mention Spirit GMT or the Zulu Time. In Spirit of a Dive Watch show, I went with the Hydro Conquest GMT. This is a big diver. It's a 43 millimeter, 22 millimeter lug width, 52 lug to lug, almost 13 thick. But it is a terrific watch. These things have fantastic finishing. They come in at MSRP just under $3,000. The coloring on this is great. They've got that sort of olive, FDE, not FDE, but let's sort of like drabby green. They've got a classic sort of black, gray, and red. They've got some fantastic blue iterations of this. This is a terrific watch. One of my favorite watches that was released in the last couple of years. And at $3,000, I've got $3,000 that I'm going to drop on a dive watch. This is gonna get consideration.
Andrew It has to be in the conversation because it's big, it's chunky, it's beautiful. The crown guards on it are in and of themselves a reason to consider this watch because well executed crown guards are the truth. It's a brand with a ton of heritage, but it's also a little boring.
Everett Oh gosh, do you think this is boring?
Andrew A little bit, which makes it my speed. Right? It's, it's my kind of boring. Okay. And this, that's not a slight, it's a, Ooh, you are unassuming. It's a kind of gray man boring, right? Sure. Like the gray man can, can look good, but is also like a little forgettable. And this is, that's what this is for me. And this is my, my speed. You know, I hate their website though. I hate it.
Everett I hate it. I think that if you were truly looking for a dive watch, you're not getting some of the quick adjust. You're not getting the super secure clasp that you're getting with some of the other watches on this list, but you're still getting all the things. This is a 300 meter water resistance watch. It's certainly dive capable. Um, you are getting more of a, uh, tool watch, I think, than a pure diver. But this watch could do anything.
Andrew Yeah, the push button clasp presents some possible risks as a diving watch.
Everett Yeah, perhaps. And again, I don't know. Take this as you will. Uh, I think this watch is, is on my list. And so, like I said, it's not a cheat because this is a dive watch.
Andrew Um. But it's a dive GMT. So it's a, it's a bonus. We're getting a little extra.
Everett And I think that for me, Longines and Manta, uh, really are, are existing in the same space in terms of who ought to be looking at them. Um, you know, and, and for me, this watch looks the part.
Andrew Yeah. I like the courts. I like the black. Ocean King more than the black.
Everett Same, but I really love this blue, the blue version of the Hydra conquest. I think it's just absolutely stunning. I like the green, too. I got blue. I don't like the green. I don't like the loom on the green. So no, it's a mess for me. Just in terms of the loom and the yellow.
Andrew I don't like the bronze either. I don't like their colors, I think is maybe it.
Everett What's next, Andrew?
Andrew Next up, I want, I'm going to talk about another little bit of a cheap, um, lower price point watch. My last low price point in the Marathon Large Divers Automatic GSAR steel coming in at 1800 bucks. Uh, and this is my other, like, It does all the things, but it isn't $3,000. And these are not attractive watches. They are pure purpose-built tool watches. And I love them. Tiny dials on these because there's so much bezel and re-hot on them that it's just like, it's a, it's a bezel that we would be appropriate for a 38 millimeter watch. And these are 41 millimeters. Uh, they are, Ooh, where's the rest of it? Uh, 41 case, 14 thick, 20 millimeter lugs, 300 meters of water resistance. I mean, these are trit gas tubes. for loom. I mean, these are just no bullshit tool watches.
Everett You know, when you're searching for dive watches in this space, these come up a lot. These come up in the searches a lot. You know, someone will say, I'm looking for a dive watch under 3000. You'll go to the thread. Someone will be like, well, if you want a pussy watch, you can get, get a tutor. But if you want a man watch, you can get a, a marathon GSAR Which I'm saying that with some derision, obviously, but I do think that that is the concept of this watch. This is a really tough, durable beater watch.
Andrew And they're using Salida movements, a Salida 200 in these, like you're getting a no bullshit top to bottom watch. These got to be in the conversation, depending on who you're talking to.
Everett Yeah, for me, the quality on these isn't there. I'm sure the durability is there, but the fit and finish just isn't there for me. The clasp on these is absolute dog shit. You mentioned it earlier, but the distance from the crystal to the dial, the ReHot is really long. It's half the depth of the case. And so you get this huge vacant space in the, I actually don't love this watch. I like the idea of it actually having this on my watch and my wrist wasn't a pleasurable experience at all. Um, and, and again, the fit and finish isn't there for me on this. This is simply not a value there when it comes to fit and finish. Um, you know, so short of having like an acquisition system watch that actually perhaps gets issued to someone,
Andrew I don't know who... I don't think anyone's been issued this watch.
Everett Well, someone must, right? But it's just not a watch that I would consider in this conversation. But I think if you're someone who's perhaps in search and rescue or maybe some sort of emergency... This is a super specific watch in that I want this watch
Andrew And it's for a specific type of person. Yes. I don't know even that it's search and rescue or any of those things. It's for a specific type of person.
Everett Uh, but I, the Cole Pennington's of the world perhaps. Yeah. Yeah. It is a cool watch though. Undeniably cool. It's for me, it doesn't fit into the conversation, but it is undeniably cool. The tritium on the second hand that the, yes, you've got like a little trip tube on the second hand. That's it's terrific. I actually really like the Arctic versions of these. The black dial is the classic, but the Arctic one's pretty cool.
Andrew There's so much space inside that, like between the dial and the crystal. It's, it's a pie pan, but no pie inside.
Everett Last watch for me. We've got some honorable mentions that I think we'll talk about. And this is the one that's on the list that I find myself the most like intrigued by like, oh, that's on this list. Like, oh, maybe that's the one. The Xinyu 50. 41 millimeters, 11 too thick, a fully coated case. This is not the titanium. This is the steel one, but we've got a Tejmented case. You've got 301. a This thing is a terrific watch and a really compelling watch at this price point. It is different than anything else we've talked about. You know, you look at the Ocean King, you look at the Longines, you look at the Tudor, there are a lot of similarities. The Doxa, of course, is its own thing. Doxa is Doxa. But this, the XENU50 is in its own world, right? You would see this on someone's wrist across a room and be like, Homie's wearing a Zen. Look at you.
Andrew You got a U50. How'd you buy a Zen? Yeah, because they're impossible to buy. You can't buy them direct from Zen. You can buy it on Watch Buys right now. But you can buy them on Watch Buys. Zen has to be bought from a person. I'm not super convinced that Zen is actually a company because you can't buy watches from them.
Everett I love the U50. You can buy this in stock ships immediately from Watch Buys. Yeah. But that's their that's Zen's sort of U.S. retail. You can buy one of these today right now. From Zen's only retail in the United States.
Andrew BNIB. I love the U50. I love all the iterations of the U50. Zen is one of the most interesting brands in the industry to me because they're doing such German stuff. They don't care how it looks. They just want it to work really well. And then there's a guy like nearish to the end. Who's like, let's make it look okay. I think this watch looks like the five, five, six is one of my favorite watches of all time. Uh, the U 50 is, is certainly a top 10. Uh, but you know what? For me, I struggle to bring it top of mind. And I don't know why.
Everett Well, I know why. I know why I wouldn't like this watch or why this watch I struggle with this watch is because of the clasp. Zen's clasps are dogshit to use that term for the second time in relation to a clasp. They're terrible stamped clasps. It bugs me. It bugs me on a watch of this caliber to have a clasp that bad. But that's the only thing I don't like about this watch.
Andrew But this is a watch you put on a good nylon. No, I'm wearing it on the H-Link.
Everett And the H-Link looks good, but this is... I think if Zena elevates this clasp to something milled and high quality and in-house, the quality of this watch for me goes through the roof.
Andrew But it also goes up 500 bucks.
Everett 500 bucks for a milled clasp? Yeah. No, no, no, no. That's what they're going to do. I mean, the cost, the cost is in on an upgraded clasp would probably be 30 bucks a unit. So even if they're, even if they're really milking you, that's like a $300 increase. Even if they're going hard in the paint and just milk in that new class, it's still a $300 difference.
Andrew But they don't care because they're happy with it. They don't,
Everett Yeah. No, you're right. You're right. They'd have no, no reason to open this.
Andrew Zen's new releases are like, Hey, we've done this exact same watch in a new material. We put oil in it. Yeah. We got it. We got it oily. Uh, this is not a iterative company.
Everett Andrew, any other watches you're dying to talk about?
Andrew Uh, I think given our time, I, I don't think I have anything else.
Everett I think the last thing I want to mention, and you really ought to think about this. You can get a Seamaster, a used Seamaster 300, Chronometer Seamaster 300 for under $3,000 all day long.
Andrew All day, all day. And you can get any color way, any of the dial variations. I really- 41, 36. I really struggle with a Seamaster dial in that I want the waves, but I don't like them. I way prefer the non waved dial. But if I'm going to get a Seamaster, it's got to be a wave. It's got to be a wave tile, which I also don't particularly care for. So they they they're on and off my list because of that dilemma.
Everett Yeah. Well, and that's fair. I actually.
Andrew I really want to try a 36 wave dial. I want to put a 36 on because I think a 36 would be fucking perfect.
Everett I think they're too shrimpy, but, uh, yeah, that's a terrific option. So I think that kind of rounds up the conversation. I, you know, if, if you think there's a watch that we missed, obviously there's a bunch of watches. The Formex Reef, I think is a terrific, I didn't talk about it because it really comes in below the rest of these, both in terms of costs and I think what you're getting, but it's a really terrific watch. Um, you know, there's a number of watches, Christopher Ward, pretty much everything they make, it could fit in this conversation. Um, but I think these are the ones really, I think we hit all the biggies that you've got to be, you've got to be looking at when you have this conversation.
Andrew And I, you know, we hit the biggest, we, we hit, I don't know, 10, maybe like the first 10, but there's another 30 that are in in the conversation, I think.
Everett So this is a chronometer 300 with the Brosnan, with the Brosnan bracelet, um, wave dial available right now. It looks, the bracelet's got some, got some wear on it. It's got some polish, some wear polish, but this thing looks terrific. $3,000, $3,000. $3,003 coming from a dealer in Denmark. 2006 manufacturer. Ooh. Yeah. So something to think about. Andrew, we've done it. The $3,000 dive watch. Uh, other things. What do you got?
Andrew Ooh, I'm pretty sure I've talked about this before, but I'm going to talk about it again. Cause I, I, uh, interacted with it significantly today the lodge cast iron pro grill griddle reversible cooking surface these are 75 bucks from wilco and they are a cast iron pan on one side grill side on the other they are phenomenal i so I wanted to use mine today because I was making Cubans for dinner. I wanted a grill pan. So I was like, Oh, I need to yank that thing out. It was a little bit icky.
Everett So just from sitting in the cupboard. Yeah.
Andrew Yeah. Just from being in the, in the cupboard. So I scraped it all down. I used my, uh, I have a wool or a steel wool scouring I just scraped it all to hell, right back down, oiled it, threw it in the oven for an hour on both sides, seasoned it back up, threw it on my stovetop, got it nice and hot, made my Cubans on it, got good grill marks. I love this thing. There's a bit of a learning curve to it in using it on the stovetop because you got to find your hot spots. You just got to like slow heat, like really like like medium low heat for, you know, 40 minutes ahead of time to bring it all to bring the entire pan up to heat because it's not all over burners.
Everett I actually have one of those. I actually have one of those bar burners right in the middle that would be perfect for this thing.
Andrew Yes, these are great. They take up no space through cabinet right there, the size of a baking sheet. The functionality on them is so good. They're just solid cast iron. I absolutely love this thing. Um, it's a, it's a bit of a two trick pony, right? As are all of your pans. It's a nice thing to have when you want it. Yeah. Like when you're making pancakes. Yeah. And you have some time cause you gotta let it preheat so that the heat can evenly distribute across your entire surface. But if you have a bar heater, then that's maybe a non-issue.
Everett Yeah. These are, these are terrific. I keep meaning to get one, you know, Lodge does cast iron.
Andrew The best.
Everett Well, as good as anybody else. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. You know, there's some companies right now that are making like really, really nice cast iron stuff, but I've used Lodge cast iron almost exclusively for the last 20 years. Uh, and it's just fantastic.
Andrew So I have a, um, Oh, gosh. It's not Mario Batali. Emerald, I have an emerald. Cast iron, I prefer his cast iron pan to the lodge because of the handle shape, the the lodge handle shape for at least the one I have. I don't know if they've changed this or updated it is flat to the pan and relatively short. The emerald has a slight inclined angle and it curves in your hand. It's fairly, is, is I don't know, 15% longer and a little slimmer.
Everett Yeah. I've got the emerald grow pan that I, that I use.
Andrew Uh, but it's terrific. Yeah. The handle on it is craze made I think, but they're terrific. But the, the lodge handle leaves a little bit wanting for me. Yeah. Fair enough. But for the grill pan, there's no handles because it's it. I mean, there's there's cutouts for your hands on either end to pick it up and carry it, but it's meant to sit on top and be cooked above. But it's great. I love this. I've used it over a I've used it on my grill. On my outdoor propane cooking setup. Yeah, I've used it on the stovetop. I haven't put it in the grill. I want to try it as like a pizza stone. Oh yeah, I bet it would work for that. In the oven. I think there's, I'm going to do some experimentation with it. The problem is I think I might just use it as like a heat conductor in lieu of a pizza stone, like still cook on a different pan. Or use it to bring some. Yeah, just use it to hold heat in the oven. I think that's, I'm going to do that tomorrow with a loaf of sourdough as a heat conductor. And these are what, 50 bucks? 75 at Wilco right now.
Everett I've got a 50 at Amazon.
Andrew Yeah, they're not cheap, nor are they expensive, but they're a nice thing to have in your kitchen when you want them.
Everett I've got another thing, Andrew. So this is not a knife, but it is knife adjacent. But this company is really the other thing is the company, but I'm going to talk about that in the context of a product. As I have been accumulating knives, I needed some additional storage for knives and I picked up a tool roll from a company called PNW Bushcraft. So pnwbushcraft.com. This is a company out of Washington state and they make things out of waxed canvas and they make these on a sewing machine by hand in the state of Washington. And I've been really enamored by this tool roll. So the one I picked up specifically is called the Maple Waxed Canvas Pocket Knife Roll-Up V2.0. I suppose that means this is the second version of this. It has 11 two-inch pockets, a one-inch pocket, and three two-and-a-half-inch pockets. It also has one of those two and a half inch pockets is actually pretty big. I'd say closer to three and a half. It looks so much bigger than the rest. And the one inch pocket is less than an inch. It's like pencil size. But I think that's sort of the nature of things having been made by hand. You know, these aren't precision crafted, rather they're made on a template and very well made, but well made by hand, right? So like anything where someone sits down at a sewing machine, you're going to have slight variations. But for me, I find that really charming. This product is super fun and they have got just a ton of stuff. Now, none of this is what I would call particularly like value.
Andrew One of their colors is grayish blue.
Everett Grayish blue. And that's exactly the color it is. It's stone. I would say like maybe battleship, but also gray blue, grayish blue. Yeah. It's a really terrific, it's a really terrific company. They make a ton of stuff. They make these trays, everything's wax cotton or wax canvas. Uh, they make like desk trays, the ones that snap on the side. They look terrific. I've always wanted to get one of those just cause they feel like real, like broey, uh, bushcraft broey. I think these are pretty terrific. Pen rolls, um, one for your pipe, tobacco and cleaners to the extent you're, you're going to do that sort of thing. Um, I love smoking a pipe. I do too, yeah. We should do that one of these nights while we record. Do an outdoor recording?
Andrew A backyard recording. I'll get in trouble if we start smoking pipes up here.
Everett And you know, these guys are people. They're people. I think that's the cool thing. I love buying things from people and this company is very much, I think it's a husband and wife team and they're just very much people. They make these great ground cloths. The ground cloths are pricey. but they're waxed canvas ground cloths, uh, which are going to give you water resistance and some warmth. Um, pretty terrific stuff. That's it. That's my other thing. They're not that pricey. Well, I mean for, I think for like the, for the half shelter size, the six, the six by six is 219 bucks.
Andrew Yeah, that's right.
Everett Uh, for, for,
Andrew more or less fabric like Yeah, but but ground cloth is like waxed ground cloth is not cheap either unless you're buying a sheet of canvas and tarring it yourself, you know That that's right.
Everett I mean, it's an it's not absurdly priced. None of this stuff is absurdly priced Nor is it?
Andrew Cheap, which is is actually kind of impressive for a company like this. That's doing really bespoke not bespoke That's not it. Just doing handmade artisanal products. Small scale. It's, it's uncommon for them to be so reasonably priced. That's right. Like typically shit like this is way more expensive because this is 70 bucks for the maple wax canvas.
Everett And so the company is PNW Bushcraft. That is a reference to, I think like outdoor activities and not, and not, um, like hygiene or trimming. Yeah, that's right. But that's not a man's game. That's right. That's it. Yeah, that's right. It's not. It's not a trimmer company. That's my other thing for the weekend. It's a good other thing. It's a cool company. We've done it. We're only 81 and a half minutes in. Look at us cutting it short today. Is there anything you want to add before we get to moving? You know, I'm a lot of things. Hey, you at home. You? Yes, you. I want to thank you for joining us for this episode of 40 in 20, the watch clicker podcast. Do me a favor before you go, uh, go to watch clicker.com and check us out there. That's where we post every single episode of this podcast, but also where we post articles and reviews. We post a couple of things every week and you should check it out. If you want to check us out on social media, where we update you on the things we're doing on the website, you can do that on Instagram, either at watch clicker. Or at 40 and 20 underscore watch clicker. If you want to support us and we hope you do because none of this stuff is free. The microphones weren't free. The hosting's not free. It all costs money. And we're doing this out of the goodness of our heart, supported by folks like you through Patreon. You can support us at patreon.com slash 40 and 20, which is how we keep the wheels on this bus a turning. And don't forget to tune back in next Thursday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
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