Watches and Wonders: Our Favorites (285)

Published on Wed, 10 Apr 2024 22:38:41 -0700

Synopsis

The hosts Andrew and Everett discuss new watch releases from Watches and Wonders, including models from Tudor, Hublot, Tag Heuer, Grand Seiko, Cartier, and Oris. They analyze the designs, dimensions, pricing, and overall appeal of the watches. Everett also shares his recommendations for EDC pocket knives after trying out several options like the Benchmade Bugout, Spyderco Sage 5, and Zero Tolerance 0545. Finally, Andrew introduces a spirit called Sotol that is related to but distinct from tequila and mezcal.

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Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the Watch Cooker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett I'm okay. I'm fine, Andrew.
Andrew It's going to be okay. See, what you don't know in the pre-show is that we had an hour we've been in here.
Everett Exactly. Almost exactly an hour.
Andrew So I know exactly however it is. Uh, it's not swell.
Everett I'm fine. I really am fine. I had two fillings today. They're just sort of like bite fillings on the top of my, on the top of my mouth. Two molars. Um, same place, both sides. Really simple feelings. The whole procedure from the time I sat down to the time I was walking to my car was 25 minutes. Uh, but I think he like, I think when he was jabbing me, he like got a nerve or something. Cause the left side of my face is really painful and it kind of put me in a shitty mood, Andrew.
Andrew Which is why I say we've been here for an hour.
Everett We have been here for approximately four minutes. Cause I was like, I'm not in a good enough mood to chat with you. Fair. Cut the chit chat and then push the green button.
Andrew And then persisted to bitch for 44 minutes.
Everett It's true. It's true. Hey, and listen guys,
Andrew Oral discomfort is the worst. I would rather have a Lego in my shoe all day.
Everett Yeah. You know, in terms of discomfort, I've got like a hierarchy, right? Like, like my least favorite is a really bad headache, right? Like that migraine level, you can't have the lights on. I've had that probably four or five times in my adult life. That's my least favorite discomfort. Second is, Uh, nausea, like, like that real slobber mouth just there.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett That's, that's the second level of discomfort. The third, I think you're right. I think it's like significant mouth discomfort. Oh, eyes are bad too.
Andrew I've never, well, I guess I've had a couple like eye, minor eye issues.
Everett Yeah. I got scratched across my cornea once pretty bad. And that was really, that was really uncomfortable.
Andrew I, I'd, I'd prefer that over my mouth hurting.
Everett I put that, Oh, you don't know until you know, I put that on the same level with mouth hurting.
Andrew I do know. You remember when I had my, my red eye just in the last year. Yeah.
Everett Well, I think the, for me getting scratched across the eye, You've got to like wear an eye patch. And there's like, there's just a whole thing. It was, it was a whole thing. I would take this over that for sure. But anyway, that's it. I'm okay. I'm a little grumpy. I'm a little bitchy because my face hurts. My face hurts. Andrew speculates that there's a nerve that runs across the cheek that maybe got bumped.
Andrew There does, there is. And the nerve does, I know the bottom and I believe there's one on top. And I only know that because when I had my wisdom teeth extracted, they showed me some x-rays and they're like, there's that nerve right there. You can kind of see it. We're a little concerned at how close it is. We're just going to be real careful. Problem is I don't really respond to anesthesia. So while they were drilling each of my four wisdom teeth, I gained full consciousness and attempted to battle them out of my mouth. which caused them to smack that nerve on my right side. So it's your fault. It's not not my fault, but it's not exactly my fault either. Yeah. Fair enough. Fair enough. You could look at me at the time. I did have hair and be like, Hey, how gingery are you?
Everett Is that a thing? Gingers don't respond to anesthesia. Hmm. I've never had a problem with anesthesia. Like the locals always work really well for me. The general always works really well for me. I'm like, no, it doesn't. I'm in a good place when it comes to anesthesia. Anything you're willing to give me is going to help and it's going to be tangible. So do it.
Andrew The only thing that ever worked for me was a morphine drip. I fucking love morphine drip. Um, that was, that was lights out. Andrew, how are you? I, And good, I'm a little tired. I don't really have a good answer for it. I accidentally took a nap here a minute ago. So we'll see how that does for my for my day. But for you know, the remainder of our day, but it's kind of worn out.
Everett Yeah, accidental naps do that to me too.
Andrew I was tired enough to accidentally take a nap. So I probably needed it. But I got the sleepies.
Everett Hate that. Hate it. I did have a, the boys had a baseball game tonight, which I went to, which was sunny and the weather was nice. So that was, I still had like on a fleece just cause it's, we're still like late spring. We're not quite in summer yet. But it was like, okay, okay, this is starting to feel like it was, yeah, it was really nice. So that, that did, that picked me up a little bit. That picked me up a little bit. Andrew, I think that, This is supposed to be the most exciting week in watches, right? At least in modern times, this is supposed to be the most exciting week in watches. The amount of releases in the last five or six days is astounding. Watches and Wonders, everybody shoots their shot and we have seen, I don't know, dozens, if not hundreds of watch releases, all of which, not all of which, but many, many, many of which are pretty interesting. Um, everything from the tippy tippy top of expensive extravagant watches all the way down to really pretty accessible, um, you know, watches for the proletariat, let's say, uh, And I think that's supposed to be, I have to admit to a bit of meh. And it's not, I don't think it's because of the watches. I think there's something about the amount of watches that you're being pounded with that for me makes it a little hard to be excited about anything.
Andrew Yeah, you certainly hit an overload point where after you get through the first couple, you're like, oh my gosh, I cannot, I can't even keep them all straight.
Everett Yeah, that's right. That happened to me. I was thinking about one watch, but looking at another watch, and I was like, that doesn't make sense. It just said this in the last thing I read, and I was like, oh, that's because... It's a whole new watch.
Andrew It's a totally different watch. A whole different thing, but it is not a whole different thing. There's some cool stuff, and that's what we're going to talk about tonight. Some of that cool stuff. Some of the things that not only caught our attention, but held it.
Everett Yeah, you know, undoubtedly there are going to be things that you at home want us to talk about that we don't. I'm almost certain of that.
Andrew We are not going to talk about the all gold sea dweller.
Everett Yeah, we might not. We might not. We're pretty, I think we're pretty kind of locked in on what we like and what interests us, but we're different. Andrew picks different things he thinks are interesting than I do. But we've got, I think, 14 or thereabouts different watches selected. We're certainly not going to get to all of those. So even of the 10 to 14 watches that we've highlighted for today's show, we're unlikely to get to those. Even the ones that we're like, this is interesting, I want to talk about. So I think we'll just kind of, we won't necessarily go from most to least interesting, but I think we'll just sort of We're going to hit the highlights for us. These are not the objective highlights. They might not be the highlights for you, but these are the watches that we want to talk about that have been released in the last week, given the major caveat, you guys, that we can't talk about everything. Sorry. Nor will we. Yeah, we cannot and will not.
Andrew We're not going to talk about Hermes today.
Everett You know what? We were close to talking about Hermes.
Andrew It's French. Hermes. Hermes. Oh, maybe it's Greek.
Everett Or is that Roman? We were, I will just tell you, for my part, we were close to having that on the list at the very least. I didn't wind up going there.
Andrew There were a couple that were like, it intrigued me, but they're just interesting. And that's kind of the conclusion. Like, that's interesting. That's novelty, which is different than I think the interesting that we typically talk about. It just depends. They're just novel. First thing I want to talk about, Are you ready for it? I'm ready. Why don't you kick us off? A new Tudor Black Bay. Wait, wait, wait.
Everett Yes. Why don't you kick us off? I don't know. I always want to use that. I have it there and I just feel like it needs to be used more. More Batman. Yeah. Well, it's like that Batman transition. Yeah.
Andrew We should, we should start selling ad space and then we just Batman in and out. So may I now?
Everett Go.
Andrew The new Tudor Black Bay. This article says Go's monochrome. And what they really did was finally release the Black Bay that we all wanted all along in a black dial, black bezel, two bracelet options or a strap. This is the one that got me most excited because I've looked at the Black Bay a hundred thousand times. I'm always really intrigued by it. I can never, like, I'm just never really excited about any of the colorways. And like, it just, this was what was missing from that 70 skew line that is the Black Bay, which is a non gilt black watch. And finally they've, they've scratched that itch for me, which, you know, now throws the Black Bay's hat into the ring of, That's now a viable, that's now in my, in my, really on my radar.
Everett Yeah. You know, when Tudor reintroduced the, the Black Bay, is it classic? What do they call this? It's the whole line. You know, this is what I would call the Black Bay classic, which is to say not the 58. So this is the 41 millimeter case. more substantial tip to tail, right? This is just a bigger, it's a bigger watch. And when the Black Bay 58 came out, I think a lot of people say, well, this is the better of the two Black Bays. I'm not certain that that's true. I probably have leaned that way at different times, but last year they revised the Black Bay Classic. So I think they, in doing so, they got it from like almost 15 millimeters down to a pretty reasonable 13.6.
Andrew These are saying 13.5.
Everett And so this sort of works on that model, the new Black Bay Classic 41 millimeter, what I would call a full-size diver, but keeps those proportions that were introduced last year. And I think you nailed it, right? This is the one You said we all. I think that's fair to say certainly me. This is would be the one I would want.
Andrew Yeah. And they're coming in at that at the price point we wanted at forty two hundred bucks on a five like a master chronometer movement in this. I mean this is a no bullshit top spec'd dive watch in the color way we want.
Everett Yeah. Tutor's doing that Metis master chronometer certification for these and I think that's I think it's fun, right? I don't know what that actually, where the value is there, but it's cool that they're doing it. It's something you can say, Oh yeah, this is Metis master chronometer certified.
Andrew And people would be like, what does that do? And you'll say it adds another line or another word of text onto my dial.
Everett Right? I mean, I don't, I actually, I think some people sort of poo poo stuff like that or like, well, I think it's cool. Like it's something I like.
Andrew If I if I'm buying a watch that's something I'd be interested in because they did something interesting They didn't just slap it together and call it good. They didn't just make it blue this time.
Everett Yeah, I think I think this watch is I Think it's borderline perfect Andrew.
Andrew It is really very close. I don't know that you can get it any thinner than
Everett Well, no, hold on. So that's why I say borderline, because that's my one caveat.
Andrew I don't know how you get this case much thinner.
Everett Fuck you. It's 200 meters of water resistance. They absolutely could make this thing thinner.
Andrew Yeah, but then you're going to start eating into this profile and this tool watch like chunky design that it's supposed to be.
Everett It doesn't need to be thick to be chunky. I disagree with you on this. That is my one complaint about this watch, that at 14.8, it was borderline absurd. At 13.6, I'm here for it. At 12 flat, I'm like, hell yes, Tudor. Hell yes, Tudor. And I think they could get there. And I think they could get there without a lot of money. I don't know what I don't, I don't know anything about this, but I think they could. And I would be, hell yes. They just pop the movement out. At 12 flat, I'm in it. I'm in it.
Andrew I think I'm okay with this 13-5. Me too. It's a touch thick. Me too. I'm okay with it. I like that it comes on a 5-link or an Oyster. I like the choice. For me, the 5-link is perfect.
Everett Yeah, that 5-link is beautiful.
Andrew The Oyster is good, and it would be totally acceptable if it only came on the Oyster, but the 5-link is what this watch was designed to be on.
Everett They do have a faux-machined Jubilee on the End Link, which I think is borderline deadly sin, but meh. It's a female in length. It looks really good. This is a great watch.
Andrew This is a good release. I'm excited for it. Look at just how toothy that coin edge is on the bezel too.
Everett The profile shots on this, well, we're going to talk about another tutor, so I'm going to go right into it. Andrew, is that okay? Yes, please. Tudor also released a Black Bay 58, but this time it's a GMT. Yes. When Tudor introduced the Black Bay Pro, I think there was a lot of people that really fairly said, this is beautiful and I like it. And then there were the other 85% of all the people that were like, you've got to be out of your fucking mind, Tudor. That is, you've taken a slab side to comedic dimensions and degrees. I think I'm probably, some days I feel the first way. I really think the Black Bay Pro is a beautiful watch, but also it's absurdly thick. It is absolutely absurdly thick. We now have a Black Bay 58 GMT and it is, it is, wait for it, 12.8 millimeters tall. This is a Black Bay 58 with a GMT movement and it's 12.8. Yeah. And so, so the details are kind of a classic coat color way. We've got a gilt dial. Um, you know, there's not really a, I would say the loom is sufficiently white. It doesn't, it's not like a true Fotina, but then the numerals are like the numerals on the aluminum bezel are gold, which, Hmm.
Andrew Hmm. Yeah. I think they did that to try to push that guilt color all the way through the design. I don't know. That's a big Tudor miss for me.
Everett I'm not going to call it a miss. It's not a miss.
Andrew It's a Tudor miss. It's the way Tudor does things. It's just a design language thing that I don't like of theirs.
Everett I think it works really well. It's maybe not like in a perfect world, Everett, you make the decisions. What is this watch? Here's your watch. Pick the colors. I'm not, this isn't the direction I'm going. Um, but Tudor sells more watches than me doing what they're doing. So we'll let that be, um, take some pages, baby, you know, unsurprisingly riveted bracelet, which I'm kind of meh about, you know, it's the one thing about the Black Bay 58 that I'm kind of, And you know, the Smiths, Everest, I feel the same way. I'm like, please stop. Just give me, but I hate any sort of faux anything. Like a car that has a faux carbon fiber accent. I'm like, no, no faux carbon fiber accent. Um, this feels a little bit like that to me, right? Like you're in a Ford drive F three 50. You're in a Ford Focus RS. That's got like a, Like one of those models had just a steel shifter, but the steel shifter had been coated with like a carbon sticker. And I'm like, this car is so fucking cool. What's wrong with the steel shifter? Why are you wrapping this fucking thing in carbon stickers? Knock it off, Ford. To try to be cool. The Black Bay 58 is so cool. Why does it need these weird riveted bracelets, these faux riveted bracelets? Anyway, that's a rant over.
Andrew Yeah, I'm not a big fan of riveted bracelets either.
Everett This watch is dope. Man, I thought you were like, I thought you were like throwing your head back cause I'd called it good, but he was just sneezing.
Andrew I was just sneezing. I don't like the guilt. That was, that's always a complaint of mine with tutors execution of it specifically. I don't like the riveted bracelets. I am super excited at a dive GMT in this line and look very much looking forward to expanded colorways. The moon looks very cool right now.
Everett So again, this is metacertified and cost certified chronometer flyer flyer GMT. Um, you know, the important dimension is 13, eight or excuse me, 12, eight. Um, and, and, you know, you can see the pictures of the, the, there's some pictures, uh, on Warner website that compare the, the regular 58 with the 58 GMT. And it, it is not, I mean, it looks like a 12, eight watch. It looks really good. This is a really good looking watch. Something somebody said to me, I can't remember who it was, but on our Discord, somebody said to me today that they didn't love this, they called it, I think they called it the Putina on the bezel, but that they were excited that this exists and the form factor because Tudor's almost certain to release this in other iterations, which I, I, I agree. I agree with them.
Andrew They will, that's their jam there. Tutor is, is kind of parting ways from, from big brother right now in their skew expansion. Um, I think, I think to be a little bit more relevant and competitive in the, in recognizing that the market doesn't want just eight watches, Andrew, what's next? Next up for me, this is a first. This is maybe the second or third time we're going to utter this name on the show. Whoa. Hue Blow.
Everett Oh yeah.
Andrew The Big Bang integrated in a 38 millimeter case and I am here for it. Has a very Alpine Eagle, super familiar Not exactly round, not exactly not sport watch. Integrated bracelet. Great, great, great angles on this case. Some color matched crown guards on both sides, a color matched crown. These are really great to look at. They're expensive. They're $13,800. 9.4 millimeters thick, 100 meters of water resistance, using their mhub 1115 movement. I don't know shit about Hublot movements. Yeah, me either. A couple different colorways available. There is an 18 karat king gold or ceramic black or blue dial. This is This is a cool release. It's just an attractive watch. There's an all blue variant. There's an all black variant. These are neat. It's the first Hublot I've looked at and been like, huh, how about that?
Everett Yeah, I'm with you, Andrew. So, you know, this and the Hermes were the two that I kind of dropped from my list because I was like, I'm not going to get there. But you said these are expensive, which is interesting because you're right. These are expensive. So with like $14,000 at the entry level up to quite a bit more, uh, that's a fuck ton of money. But what I will say is when I saw these, I was like, Oh, those are really excessively priced, which you know, watches and wonders will get you at skews it.
Andrew You're like, man, it's 250,000. You see a, you know, $50,000 watch and like, Oh, you know, that's getting there. This one's only $13,000? My goodness, I could get that today!
Everett You know, given that we've been doing this for six years at this point and... There's no stick or shock at that. Yeah, that's right. You know, and frankly, I think both the ceramic and the steel models of this are, in the wide world of watches, accessible. The dimensions on this thing, 38mm case is 9'4 thick and 100m of water resistance with an in-house Hublot movement. I actually, I'm not going to sniff at that. That's really, really good. How much is the MSRP on the Alpine Eagle?
Andrew I think they're 12. They're between 10 and 13, I think.
Everett Let's just looky-loo. There's a new Alpine Eagle, too, that we're not going to talk about, but it's pretty rad. What happens if you click the shopping Yeah, 14.8 for an Alpine Eagle. Yeah. I mean, this is right there for me.
Andrew This is the most direct competitor to that watch on the market. That's right. Yeah. And unique to itself, right? There's apparent similarities. There's similar design language, but it's different.
Everett I might like, I mean, I want to see this because I'm sort of on record
Andrew Oh, this thing would go on you like grease, and it would just just soak up into your wrist. Right.
Everett And oh, man, I'm on record as being a huge Alpine Eagle fan. There's some things that the Alpine Eagle does that this doesn't do. And there's some things that this does that the Alpine Eagle doesn't do. That to say, there's some differences. They're very, very similar watches, though. And I'm not sure, having not ever tried this on, which I would like more.
Andrew I think the short super hard down angle lugs on this that are almost aren't even lugs. They're just, they're shaped to allow like a 60 degree connection of that bracelet into the case. Uh, is it going to make that thing so comfortable?
Everett Yeah, I think so too. I think, you know, if I can be willing to say the Alpine Eagles, like maybe, uh, uh, and game or a dream watch for me, um, I can't kick this thing out of bed. I like it. I don't like Hublot. I've never seen a Hublot I wanted before, um, but I like this.
Andrew Yeah, that was shocked. I saw it and I was like, huh. It's, and then, you know, if, if in the headline it didn't say 38 millimeter, I would be thinking this was going to be like a monstrosity at like 42, 44. Totally. Uh, like just a big old thick bitch. And it's like the dimensions on it are perfect. The design works. It's familiar, but it's also unique. It's unlike any, any Hublot I'm familiar with and is the first time I'm really like it's the first time the brand has honestly caught my eye. Yeah.
Everett I think it's terrific. Um, I think it's terrific. I think a lot of people will complain about how derivative is, um, but it, it, it feels to me like a watch very much. in the vein of what we're doing today. It'll be interesting to see how popular this is over time.
Andrew Yeah. I want to see him on the secondary market.
Everett Uh, we've got a new glass box and we do have a new glass box, but we got a new glass box and, and the watch is not terribly interesting. It's a Panda dial glass box, which means it's the 39 millimeter, 13 nine Carrera with the big Domi glass box crystal. Um, with, you know, this is, this is a glass box. Okay. It was, it's got the Hoyer 02 automatic chronograph movement. This is the same layout was the three, six layout. It's beautiful. It's gorgeous. This time in a panda with this wonderful sort of silver ivory and black sub dials, red sub hands, um, red sub dial hands, red tip second hand. I mean, this is gorgeous. It's a gorgeous watch, but it comes on a bracelet. One of our complaints the last time we talked about the glass boxes, we don't get a bracelet on any of the glass boxes. We got a bracelet for the glass box.
Andrew That's the exciting release. That's it. We have a bracelet now. We've got a glass box bracelet. The dial is interesting. I like that silver. It's very like very Ferrari sports car metallic.
Everett It's lovely. I was going to say, this is about the most Panda Panda I can remember coming out in recent. This is like, like the prototypical platonic ideal of a Panda dial three, six register chronograph.
Andrew Yeah. I like the pushers too. Tag Heuer is doing some stuff. They're in, I think they're out of their redemption phase and into their full cool swing right now. 100. I have an interesting thing that I want to talk about.
Everett 6,500 for this guy on a bracelet. Oh yeah, yeah. 6,500 for this guy, which is exactly the right price for this.
Andrew It's exactly where you want it. What is happening? We have this eclipse and the stars are aligning. Brands are doing the things we want them to do now.
Everett I mean, I would definitely take this at $4,200 or even $2,700 if they wanted to give it to me, but $6,500 is the right price.
Andrew And if they just want to throw some postage on it, you don't have to put a return label on the box.
Everett I'm just glad that they didn't. They're like, Oh, well, you know what? We had to do a lot of R&D for this bracelet and it's going to be $11,900. Like, fuck you.
Andrew But on a strap, you can get it for $4,400. I want to talk about the next thing on the list. And this, is the most surprising release from this entire show weekend for me. It's the Grand Seiko Spring Drive Chronograph GMT-SBGC275. What caught my eye is that it's a color-changing dial. So it uses an optical multi-layer coating with physical vapor deposition process to create several layers of nanoscale film. I'm not super sure what any of that means. What I can tell from looking at it is that we have a porous surface of a bucket load of layers that based on the angle you're viewing it, it's not just a mild color change, right? you lose the blue of your blue hands or your blue dial looks black. This is an orange or red dial. No, no optical illusion here. It's truly a different color based on the way that the light is hitting and the angle you're viewing this. Now that's cool. That's some super grand Seiko stuff and that's awesome. They call it lion's mane. So there's a good story behind it.
Everett Yeah. I think they only, the lion's mane is something they've used in the past, but it's always in this case, I think.
Andrew But this case and watch suck. This is a 44 and a half millimeter, 16, eight thick titanium watch that is, it is the least elegant, the least grand Seiko I've ever seen. I hate it. Top down. It, it looks like a lug nut and from the side it's about the same dimensions. What? This blew me away. Especially with how, how cool this dial is and everything goes that goes into it. They're like, Oh, let's put in, Now let's make it suck somehow, which is not something Grand Seiko does. They don't usually miss super hard, and this is such a hard miss. The only redeeming quality is it's a limited edition of 700. These are $13,400, and you can have them.
Everett Yeah, Andrew, I'm with you 100%. I kind of hate this watch. It's got the GMT hand.
Andrew It's like, oh, I don't even want to talk about the dial beyond the dial. I don't want to talk about the hand. Nothing about this says Grand Seiko. Oh, it's got Zoratsu polish. Neato.
Everett Save it. The GMT hand is a spade, which is neat, but ugly. The markers have that sort of big 70s, vibey, stripey thing. And there's so much going on. You've got a huge white date window. Huge. The date window is It's almost as big as the registers. Enormous. You've got extra sub dials on this dial because the movement includes 30 minute and 12 hour totalizers. You've got a GMT, which sure. Great. Of course I have a GMT.
Andrew With the most illegible GMT hand there is. You lose that black hand and then you have a marker sized and shaped tip on it that you just lose.
Everett You do get 200 meters of water resistance, which I guess that's, that's great. I, yeah, this is, oh, and we've got the GMT, the spring drive. Oh, your power reserve indicator. The power reserve. There's just way, way, way too much going on here. This looks like a boulevard. Yeah. Well, something. I was thinking actually it looked like a citizen, but.
Andrew Um, yeah.
Everett Yeah. I'll accept citizen also. You know, Birds of a different... Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, really weird watch. Beautiful dial though. I'm with you 100%. That dial technology is cool.
Andrew It's neat. And then they were like, let's put it in the shittiest thing we can imagine.
Everett Going the exact opposite direction, two new Grand Seiko SLGW002 and SLGW003. These are Evolution 9 Grand Seiko missed on this in a very specific way, and I'll come back to that. What these are is Evolution 9 hand crankers. It's a brand new manually wound 9SA4 caliber. You've got a rose gold on the 002, an actual rose gold on 002, and a brilliant titanium on 003. They're both 38 six, which is great. I think that's a great size for this watch and they're both under 10 tall. So a mechanical grand Seiko at under 10. Yes, please.
Andrew That's what, that's what it needs to be. Yes.
Everett This is where grand Seiko needs to be living. You know, I think, um, I think for me, uh, so these are beautiful. Just, just Google these. They're beautiful. I think for me the myth is that Grand Seiko, I believe, if I had to guess, Grand Seiko fancies this a dress watch. Yeah. And it's not a dress watch. It's not a dress watch. This is a sport watch through and through. Even in the gold version, the gold version is a sport watch. The dials on these are whatever Grand Seiko sort of wood grainy things. I like them. They're fine. They're lovely. I accept. Uh, you know, high beat 80 hour movements. These are sport watches and they don't come on a fucking bracelet. Give me a bracelet for this watch for the love of God. Grand Seiko. That's a mess for me. The fact that this comes on a strap only gorgeous straps, by the way, uh, is, is a mess for me. 10 seven on titanium and 45 a cool $45,000 in gold, which seems like a lot, but it's fair. Um, yeah, 10 seven is a big number, especially if I'm not going to get a bracelet.
Andrew Yeah. And you know, you know, they're using good titanium and this is, this is grand Seiko. I mean, this is kind of some cutting edge grand Seiko stuff that it, that fits in the grand Seiko line. Yeah. So, so one, well,
Everett I'm not going to call this two misses. Also, let's just be clear. Grand Seiko released 87 watches for Watches and Wonders. I think it was 89. Exactly. 89 watches for Watches and Wonders. So these are just the two we found the most interesting. One of them really a total miss with a very cool dial technology. The other one that's so, so, so close to being a slam dunk. Home run, touchdown, a roo. Just pick your sports ball of choice. Um, it's fucking fantastic. If they gave me a bracelet, I would be like, this is the best Grand Seiko ever made. Yeah. Hard stop.
Andrew Yeah. I don't, I don't think you're wrong. Andrew, moving along. What do you got? We should move it along. Um, next up for me, uh, since we're, Oh, actually I want to talk about something interesting that is I'm not a miss at at all, but a missed opportunity to do something even more fun. The Cartier Santos Dumont tells time backwards, which is fun, right? Yeah, that's like it's unique. That's Cartier is kind of doing some playful, arty stuff, which they've always kind of done. Like we're bringing back lacquered dials. We have color match sapphire against the dial in your crown. This is such a missed opportunity for them to do a crown left, though. Oh, interesting. Backwards time. So so this is just a watch that rotates counterclockwise. It doesn't like it doesn't take you back in time. It's not numerals reversed on the dial. It rotates counterclockwise. What a missed opportunity to do a crown left in this format. Right. Because then it's it's fully backwards. I think that would make it even more fun. And these are gorgeous, right? These are Santos de Mont. Lacquer dial on these is just phenomenal. Uh, the straps on these are phenomenal. They're color matched to the dial. We have, gosh, how many colors? There's a lot of colors.
Everett Uh, one, two, three, four, three, four colors. Yeah. Burgundy, silver, kind of a teal, Like a aquamarine, like a sunburst aquamarine and then a really lovely green. What are we going to call that? That green?
Andrew Like foresty? Yeah. Kind of sagey maybe? A bit of olive? Yeah. So, so that doesn't have a color matched sapphire. That has red on the green, but in the bezel of all of these, they have a color matched ribbon through it. Within the gold. Yeah.
Everett Within the gold. It's not just on the bezels, it's on the top of the case, too. Yeah, it's... Except for the red. The red's my jam, but... Well, it's because the red is the only one that's not two-toned. Oh, no, the green's not two-toned.
Andrew Well, I guess technically... So the lacquered dial, the red is the backwards time teller. The other three colors are not backwards time tellers. Got it. These are just lacquered dial releases. But these are lovely. Lovely. Yeah. This is, this is a great release and, and this, the red is, is totally my, my jam. It's one of the first burgundy watches I've seen that I've, I've been on board with. And it's, I think because of the platform, but should have been crown left. The other three are clockwise rotating lacquer dials with color matching in the case and bezel and lovely.
Everett Nevada released an F-77 in titanium, and you can get it for under $1,500.
Andrew The end. Is it like a lottery?
Everett No, it's just... So there is a limited meteorite version, which I think... Some people really love meteorite dials. I am kind of meh on meteorite dials. Also in titanium, but they released a unlimited anthracite dial F 77 full titanium and bracelet integrated. This is the F 77, you know, and love in titanium and it's 1500 bucks and that's it. Andrew, that's it. Yes, please. Yes, please. It's 12 six. It's 12 six, which has always been my problem with the F 77 is that this watch at 11, or really if it's 10, I'm pumped about it. Um, you know, I, I, I think this is a bit of a missed opportunity to have this thing that thick 12 and a half is, is a lot considering the dimensions. It's a 37 millimeter case. It's a beautiful watch. Totally beautiful watch. I love it in titanium. I still think it's a mess that it's 12, 12, eight or so, 12, six, whatever it is that the titanium is going to
Andrew makeup for a little bit of that. Yeah. So light.
Everett Yeah. But that's not really like light is cool. Right. But you know what else is light? Uh, just less material. A G-Shock G6900 weighs fucking nothing.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett All right. Um, and so the, the, the point being, I want that watch to be thin. I want it to hug my wrist and, and, and you know, the shape is going to hug your wrist. These are first world problems, right?
Andrew Uh, first world problems, man.
Everett 12.6 is, is a really, fine dimension but it's a little big for a 37 millimeter case for this watch i think it's a little big yeah i don't i don't think you're wrong and that is including that big domed crystal but there are other watches that have a big domed crystal that do it thinner it's awesome titanium f77 basket weave gray anthracite dial yes please give it to me even though it's a little too thick moving on moving on hang on i have to reorder my tabs i accidentally closed one Excuse me.
Andrew You are pardoned. Oh, I want to talk about a interesting Seiko release. We have three iterations of the SNXS, the 37-ish millimeter Seiko release that will look really familiar. This is I think there's some mixed reviews on this watch. There's some mixed feelings. This watch is a Seiko 5 Sports in the SNX series. There's an SRPK 87, 89, 91, which are a cream, a black, and a blue dial. They are 37.4 diameter, 12.5 thick, 100 meters of water resistance. And they look an awful lot like the SNK.
Everett The SNXS is what they look a lot like.
Andrew They are. They are. That's what these are. And they're 400 bucks. And this is Seiko staying true to Seiko. This is putting out attractive watches under 500 bucks that have a little bit of ass, everything you're going to need out of them. They're attractive. I like these case shapes. I like the dial colors. I don't dislike really anything about this release. This is it. This is a good release for me.
Everett And so I talked with a handful of different people about this watch this week. You know, I think like you said, Andrew, in a vacuum, this watch is terrific. The dimensions on it are good. 37.5 millimeters, 12.5 millimeters thick. I know we just trashed the Nevada for being 12.5, but it's a $1,500 watch. This is a $400 Seiko. 12.5 is great. 100 meters of water resistance. You've got a really terrific and beautiful full steel bracelet. You've got a case that's both familiar, but also interesting, you know, um, 70s, 80s colorway inspiration.
Andrew That's not gaudy or weird, which Seiko could have really easily done. And typically not typically, but does often do you have four terrific dial color?
Everett You have four terrific dial colors, um, or, or three terrific dial colors, right? So you've got the champagne, the black, the blue, there's, they've all have Fotina, which fuck off Seiko, Um, but I'm even, even bar, this is Fotina.
Andrew This is, this is like a yellow, this isn't Fotina to look Fotina. This is, this is a color decision to pop some color on the past.
Everett That's bullshit. Uh, all that to say we're not in a vacuum. And so, yeah, we're not, I can not evaluate this watch outside of the context of the SNX S. The SNXS was a 70, when we started doing this, it was a $70 watch on Amazon. Even today, it's $120 watch. This was one of the Seiko fives from that era that we've talked about ad nauseum where Seiko was overproducing Malaysian made watches and they were just, there were so many of them. The stock was seemingly endless, you know, Seiko five finder. This is from that era. It is, I think, for a lot of people, their very first watch. I think the SNK is sort of the same. You brought it up earlier. It lived in that same world. It was undoubtedly the more popular of the two. But they were kind of in that same space. This is a little bit more dressy. And this is thousands of people introduction to the watch world. And it was known for being in eminently affordable, and just a terrific watch. What Seiko has done here... SNKs are 200 bucks now. What Seiko has done here is they've positioned this above the Dress KX. Within the Seiko 5 Sportsline, they've positioned it above the Dress KX. They've positioned it above the re-release of the SNK, the bigger, nicer SNK. They've they've made decisions here to position this not as significant. The $400 MSRP, I think that means we're going to see, I think we're going to see actual pricing in the high 200s, but still that puts it above the new SNK. It puts it above the dress KX.
Andrew Because the days of $100 Seiko are over.
Everett Yeah, that's true. But even if this had come in, even if this had come in at that $310 MSRP, you know, or $300 MSP, MSRP better yet 290, actual retail prices is 190, 200. I'm able to stomach that. Now, of course, I don't know what decisions they had to make to get this thing to market or where the value is. Of course, there's value here. I'm not suggesting they're not. I just think that to put this thing at that level, to not make the decisions that needed to get made, to get it down there for me is a problem. Now, I could be wrong. Someone said, I expect 50% of MSRP is the actual sale value on these. I'd be surprised, because that's not the way this is going. Maybe five or six years. I'm guessing these things are going to sell at the high 270s, or high 200s, 270 to 290. I think we're going to see probably 220 to 250. I think at 220, I'm OK with this watch. 250 is where I start to be like, that's too much. But this is all bullshit, because the watch in a vacuum, I love it. Even at $400. Yeah. Because this is an affordable banger. Ignore everything else I said. I usually do. 49 minutes. I have one more thing that I want to talk about, but I can be brief. Andrew, where are you at? I can be done. Oris updated the Aquis. Okay. It looks terrific. I cannot find a thickness dimension on this thing. But what I will say is just like they all are, I don't, I think this might be, Ooh, it looks pretty surprisingly thin. I'm not sure. I mean, these are going to be about 13. I think, I think if they're under 13, I'm pretty pumped about this. It still looks like an aquas. It is unmistakably innocuous. The changes are very subtle, but they've, they've done a couple of things. One, they widened the center link, which I think, on the three link bracelet, they've widened the central link, which in turn kind of widens that space in the lugs at 12 and six. I think that is a tremendous move. It takes this watch from looking kind of funny. That space for me was always kind of weird. to being really, really lovely and elegant. They've also sort of lengthened and slimmed down the lugs a little bit. Um, it's like I said, it's still an Aquas. And in fact, if you saw this thing, if you saw this thing out of context, it's like Aquas, but then you like compare the two and you're like, Whoa, Whoa. Okay. It looks to me like it's really thin. You've still got that like slightly dog bullish, shape on the case. But for some reason, with these refined dimensions, it looks terrific. I think this is, I want to get my hands on these because I think this might be the Oris Aquus that I would buy.
Andrew The bevel on the lugs so perfectly transitions into the bracelet. It's like a, it's a multi-axis bevel that is just terrific.
Everett You know, another difference they made is that These are available in both caliber 400 and in their Sellita, their Sellita-based movement. So you get a couple different price points. They also introduced a new 36.5 size. They've always had an Aquus in a smaller, I think 36 or 37, but this size is supposedly new. So now you can go 43.5, 41.5, or 36.5. And you know what? I think it's terrific.
Andrew I think I might be in at 2500 for the Salida mod movement.
Everett Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. I might be in for an upcycled 43 and a half. That I mean, that's kind of my jam. Have you ever seen one in person? Yeah, I'm it doesn't do it for me at 2500 bucks.
Andrew I'm like, it doesn't do it for me.
Everett Come on.
Andrew I don't really like the green. I don't know what it is about their green.
Everett The upcycle you can only, you can only get in the 400. Yeah. So that's, that's closer to 4,000 instead of 2,500.
Andrew But I just, I'm not a big fan of their color compositions.
Everett Me either. Yeah. The blue is the, the blue on blue is not my favorite. It's not my favorite.
Andrew I think it's cause the bezels are just off from the dial because the dials are so sunbursty and the, the, But bezels are kind of matte. Yeah, that's right. It's just it's a weird color combination. And I know a lot of people love these and they're kind of like they are for some people. But that color composition just isn't for me.
Everett I mean, if I was going to go if I was going to go with their basic B, it'd be the the blue one, the blue on blue. I think it's a really lovely watch. But for the caliber 400, give me that upcycled. I like it. I like it a lot. And I can pass. All right. That's it. That's it. We've done it. Andrew, you've got a bottle of booze in your hand. Does that mean it's time for other things? It is time for other things. Andrew, Andrew, other things. What do you got?
Andrew I got something. Give it a little taste. So, uh, a birthday tradition. That is tequila. A group of friends and I, uh, we, we, uh, we get a nice bottle of booze for our birthday from our friends. Tequila mezcal.
Everett This is mezcal. It is not. It is neither thing. Interesting. It's definitely got a smoky agave to it. It does.
Andrew And because this... Very smoky. This is called Sotol Por Siempre, spirit distilled from Sotol, wild harvested product of Mexico. Now, unsurprisingly... Ooh! That's like Mexican scotch. Yes. Unsurprisingly, it, it, because it smells so much like agave, it is a Cousin of agave. It is Sotol. Sotol. S-O-T-O-L. A relation to agave.
Everett Dude, this is... Now, what's interesting about this is... Hold on, I've got to get some real-time commentary because I'm drinking this and experiencing it. Do it live. Yeah. This is one of the most phenomenal boozes I've ever had in my life. Like, just full stop. Real-time Sotol pour Siempre. If you like scotches, smoky, peaty scotches. Holy fuck.
Andrew But it has that sweet nose, that really traditional mezcal nose.
Everett It smells like mezcal on the nose. But as soon as it hits your mouth, you're like, nope, that's not tequila or mezcal. It's smoky.
Andrew It is so good. So difference is, these plants are smaller, so one plant yields a bottle of booze. As opposed to agave, they can produce several because agave are larger than sotol plants. This is a really traditional Central and South Central America, I don't think it exists in South America, spirit and is potentially like one of the up-and-comers trying to latch on to the tequila and mezcal bloom, but it is so good.
Everett There's a little bit of sweetness to it that I think could be cloying if you drank too much.
Andrew So Oregon pricing on these, they're 46 bucks. No shit.
Everett That is fantastic.
Andrew What's it looking like about that? It's like a 45, let's see, OCC, I'll look it up.
Everett So Oregon, known for our micro breweries. And then more recently for our sort of micro distilleries. There's some really good reasons for that. Andrew, while Andrew is looking for some prices, Oregon OLCC has the Oregon Liquor Control Commission. A lot of people say it is cumbersome, but the people who love it are the small brand owners. Forty five bucks for this bottle. Oregon does a really good job in price regulation and in price controls. You know, the companies that sell aren't allowed to. They're really not allowed to. You can't discount booze. You can't discount booze.
Andrew That's the trick. So a lot of states like Texas, for example, retailers can sell at reduced rates for volume base. They can adjust their prices based on the volume that you're buying. So Walmart is getting their their beer cheaper than, you know, 7-Eleven. And you can't do that in Oregon. Can't do that in Oregon. And OLCC does another interesting thing in a way, in an effort to be equitable. They have sort of live inventories of all of your liquor stores available at your fingertips online. Some get a little shysty, especially with some of the rare bottles, but, um, yeah, $45 bottle here.
Everett That is really, really lovely. Yeah.
Andrew What's it called? Sotol Por Siempre.
Everett And Sotol is the distillery?
Andrew No, Sotol is the plant. I think, I don't even know what the distillery is.
Everett Por Siempre is the name of the booze made from Sotol. It's a white label, really, really attractive label with like a red and blue heart and an hourglass on it. It's, there's a lot going on here. I'm going to tell you real time. I smelled it. I said, that's tequila or muscato. Inter said, no, it's not. I tasted it. I said, oh, that's scotch. It's fantastic.
Andrew It's one of my favorite. And just drinking it neat. It drinks so... Totally neat and warm. So clean, neat, warm. Yeah.
Everett That's lovely. Yes. And the bottle's like hand-numbered, which... Yeah, it's... I don't... Who cares, right? But also, I love it. It's a small batch and like... I love it. I love it. It's like someone took a Bic pen to the back of that thing and wrote numbers.
Andrew Maybe. I love that shit. It's not chill filtered. For 45 bucks. Oh, it's not chill filtered. So some sediment may exist. Yeah. Some small batch shit. This is delicious. So this is my other thing. Uh, I don't know how widely available it is. I know it's available in Oregon. Um, but if we have it, most other places have it. We're not like on the cutting edge of the booze industry. Hit your local ABC, find this. I'm going to, I'll link to it. Um, but I had to do some research into what Sotol was because I was also like unwilling to accept that this wasn't agave based because it tastes like it is, but it tastes like other things happened to it during the distilling process.
Everett And you, you said it's a toll is a, it's a cousin of a cousin of the agave plant. That's where you get that on the nose. That's terrific. It's so good. Okay folks, here we are week four and the final week, I promise this is the final week. then I'm going to talk about a pocket knife for at least a little while, right?
Andrew So rounding up our... I understand that this is not even putting a dent in the options he has to discuss. That's right. That's very true.
Everett The rabbit hole got deep. So rounding up are my search for a sort of recommendable EDC knife. Now, if you Google EDC knife, your, you know, EDC pocket knife, you go down the same rabbit hole, you're going to find really a lot of options and they range in price from, you know, really recommendable options at, you know, 25, really 40 bucks all the way up to all the way up to way, way, way more.
Andrew 35 kind of seems to be that sweet spot where a knife changes from like just a piece of shit. to, oh, this is doable.
Everett Yeah. I mean, there's Chinese manufacturers, Sencut, the Wii, Civivi brands are making like you can get an Elementum, a button lock Elementum in good steel with good materials for like 45 bucks.
Andrew You can also get a lot of Benchmades that way that look to have the same access technology. They're clearly not going out the back door in Oregon City, but they're aped designs for $45.
Everett Well, so Benchmade the so there's a story there that the patent on the access lock ran a few years back. And so now anybody can use access lock technology. So what was formerly just Benchmade now, Hogue is an American brand that's making access lock. I mean, there's you there are a number of companies that are making that same access lock in their knives. Anyway, all that to say All of these knives are more expensive than that.
Andrew If you go on the Amazon and search for a Benchmade bugout, your first eight options are not made by Benchmade. And they're all bugouts.
Everett You know, I had prices on these at some point, and then I just kind of stopped because really, it doesn't matter. So just a quick review. Week one, I talked about the Benchmade bugout. This is the carbon fiber bugout with the blue trim. It's actually a full carbon fiber handle. We've got S90V steel. This thing's terrific. It's a bug out, but everything... That's titanium stuff, too. Titanium spacer. Furniture. Yeah, that's right. This thing is sort of peak bug out. It's a stock, unlimited. It's not a custom. And I love it. This is the one that kind of kicked off this project. It's fantastic. I really like this watch, this knife. I've been carrying it a lot. Second one, I believe, was my Spyderco Stage 5. This is also the carbon, quote unquote, carbon fiber. What this is is actually G10 with a carbon fiber layer on the outside that provides a little bit of aesthetic appeal and a nice texture.
Andrew It also gives you the rigidity and weight that you lose when you go straight carbon.
Everett Yes, well, carbon's pretty rigid, but yes, it's a really nice handle material. Third one was a bit of a surprise to me and to you was the Benchmade 940 Osborne. This is the 940-2, so a black handle. Because I don't like it. I don't like the way it looks. Same. And I never liked it. And then I got in my hand and I was like, fuck, this is great. This week, I'm going to throw a bit of a wrench in the gear. And out the front. This is a knife from a company called Zero Tolerance. Zero Tolerance is owned by a company called Kai, which is out of Portland. Kai also famously owns Kershaw. The Kai group, Kershaw is a member. So Zero Tolerance, if you know about knives, you know about Zero Tolerance. If you don't, you may not be familiar. They are American made, incredibly overbuilt. Typically, Zero Tolerances are incredibly overbuilt. They've got a lot of classic models. I think that they sort of hit, I think we were a peak zero tolerance, probably like 2016, 2017, where like that was the name of the game, overbuilt, like just like watches, right? Like give me a big fucking chunky, too many bolts, titanium. So zero tolerance has kind of in the last couple of years, I think fallen a little bit out of favor with the enthusiasts. Um, this is a weird release. And in fact, a lot of people didn't like this. I, Oh shit. I think it's the 0545, the zero tolerance 0545. I don't know exactly how to describe this knife. So just a few details. Uh, this is a carbon fiber show side and a full titanium frame lock. The blade is MagnaCut, which MagnaCut is sort of the bee's knees in knives right now. It holds an edge forever. It's tough. It's easy to sharpen. Just a really, really beautiful material. MSRP on this guy is $340. The MAP is $272, which is actually about what I paid for this. I think I paid $250 for this, which is a fuck ton for a knife. It weighs... Nothing. Two ounces.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett So this weighs almost exactly the same as my Carbon Bugout. The blade is bigger. The handle is smaller. The handles more ergonomic. It is about the same thickness. Um, the action, it's a flipper instead of a thumb stud, which the bug out is, which, and the flipper is the action on this thing is real clean, phenomenal. The detent is great. The, the blade is so light that, so the action's really good. It's drop shut. You, you, you, depress the frame lock, it falls immediately. But even if it falls on your hand, even if it falls on your hand, the blade is so light, it won't cut you. And that thing's a fucking laser blade. Yeah. That thing will shave you. It'll cut through paper like nothing. But because it's so light, it won't hurt you.
Andrew It's not slamming the car door on your fingers. That's right. That deep carry pocket clip I really like. I wish the clip was a little bit more substantial. Just a touch. But it's got a really nice deep carry clip that just makes it invisible. Looks like you might have a pen in your pocket.
Everett That's right. It's a really slender deep carry clip. And that's exactly right, Andrew. I can wear this thing with a suit and it just looks like I've got a pen in my pocket. A very small pen at that. You know, it's really, really easy for me to compare this thing to the Bugout because of all these knives, the form factor on this is closest to the Bugout. But it's different. And if you look at a picture, so zero tolerance, 0545, um, you'll see they're really different knives. I think this thing is fun to hold. I think it's fun to cut things with. It's not a beefy knife, much like the Bugout. The Bugout came out and you know, a lot of knife enthusiasts were like, this is flimsy plastic light. I don't want this. Um, You know, I don't know what you fucking idiots are doing with your knives, but, uh, the bug out's fine. It's a great, it's the most popular knife in the world for a good reason. I don't know if that's objectively true. The most popular, but I don't know that it is, but it's pretty close to being true.
Andrew If it's not, it's one of the best like non-tactical application utility knives that you can get.
Everett I think this thing competes really closely. And with the upgraded materials, so a standard bug out, I think is S30V and Grivory. This is a much closer comparison to this carbon fiber bug out with the S90V and the carbon in terms of materials. And they run the same price, essentially. These both retail at like $270. And, you know, I don't want to pick either one of these. I talked about this a little bit last week. I'm not going to pick a winner. I've provided you four options. I've held them. The Spyderco is ergonomically my favorite of all of these. Yeah. The Spyderco Sage 5 is certainly an EDC size. The ergos on this are... Yeah. I do hand motions. Andrew watched my hands as I did like an explosion.
Andrew Well, because you almost stabbed yourself.
Everett The ergos on this are insane. The spidey hole, you can thumb flick it. You can reverse flick it with your finger. The compression lock's terrific. This thing's fidgety. It's fun. It makes great, it makes a great sound. But closed, it's a little beefy.
Andrew Yeah, it's a jeans everyday carry.
Everett Or even khakis. It's a little big for khakis. The 940 Osborne, it's huge and also tiny. It takes up no pocket space. I love it. The bug out is the bug out man. I'm not going to say anything bad about this. It's bland. That's, that's what's bad about this.
Andrew The ergos aren't as good as any of the others.
Everett Uh, I would put them on par with the zero tolerance.
Andrew I think the zero tolerance is more comfortable. The contour in the handle is, is a game changer because what I've, Why I've never gotten a bug out is because I just don't like that. It's a rectangle grip. There's no real ergonomics to it.
Everett Yeah, no, that's right. And because it's so thin, it's not even like a cylinder, right?
Andrew Yeah, it's not. I'm not holding like a K bar. Yeah, that's right. Which is the same kind of idea of like, it's just a, it's just a geometric shape. There's no ergonomics to it.
Everett It's like, it's like holding a six inch ruler, like one of those little six inch rulers. Um, the zero tolerance, very, very similar ergonomics to the bug out, but I agree with Andrew. It does have a little bit more contour. I think the thing I like about this is because the handle is so light, it's a little blade heavy. The balance point is basically right at the pivot. I guess just a little behind it. Um, it almost feels like a, like a straight razor when you're holding it. because the weight's really all on the blade, and it's super thin and slicey. I mean, you can flex it, but also it's MagnaCut, so you know it's tough.
Andrew You're not gonna be able to do anything when you do flex it?
Everett It's gonna keep an edge forever. When it loses its edge, it's gonna be reasonably easy to sharpen. So anyway, those are my choices. Do I have a favorite? I don't think I do. The Spyderco is the most ergonomic. The Zero Tolerance, I think, is the coolest. Bugouts the most surprising and and no, the Osborne's the most surprising. And the bugout is like, yes, this is good. It's just good. It is exactly the hype. It's boring. And it's shapeless, but also it's still really good. The blade shape is phenomenal. I think this thing in S30V or in S90V, terrific, terrific knife. So that's it. We're done. We're done with the knives. We've done for a little while because I have more when I'm going to talk about some point. But for now, we're done with the knives. Well done. And we're done with this episode of 40 and 20. Is there anything you want to add? I don't.
Andrew I'm out of things, man.
Everett Well, that's good because we've been going a long time. Hey, you guys, you guys, you, you at home. I want to thank you for joining this episode of 40 and 20, the WatchClicker podcast. Do me a favor. Check us on our website. That is WatchClicker.com. That's where we post all of the episodes of the 40 in 20 podcast, but it's also where we post articles and reviews and things every single week, multiple times a week. If you want to check us out on social media, the best way to do that is on Instagram at watch clicker and at 40 and 20 underscore watch clicker. Now, if you want to support us and we really, really, really hope you do, because all of the things we do here cost money hosting for images, hosting for audio, for the website. It all costs money and we don't make very much of it. Patreon.com slash 40 and 20 is how you can support us in what we're doing here. And don't forget to tune back in next Thursday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Bye bye.