Upgrading Our Most Worn Watches (281)

Published on Fri, 15 Mar 2024 10:20:25 -0700

Synopsis

This podcast episode discusses the hosts' most worn watches and what theoretical "upgrade" watches could potentially replace them. The hosts go through their top 3 most worn watches, describing what they love about each one and then proposing a high-end watch that could theoretically unseat that watch from their regular rotation. They also discuss some TV shows they've been watching like the FX series "Shogun" and the new "Dune" movie. Towards the end, the hosts mention an upcoming collaboration watch between the Pen Addict community and the watch brand Nodus.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your host, Andrew, and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett I'm, I'm okay. I'm brimming with excitement.
Andrew Yeah, I can see it bubbling to the surface. It's bubbling.
Everett In fact, I think I'm so excited that the intro music felt slow. I did slow it down 0.5. I was like, why is this intro music so slow? Um, yeah, no, Andrew, I'm good. I, uh, it's Sunday, so we're recording, what, two or three days earlier than we normally record.
Andrew Sometimes we record on Sundays. We used to record on Sundays all the time. That was our, that was our day. And then we started getting lazy and slow.
Everett Well, we, we moved across the street from one another. That helped. Yeah. We moved across the street. And, and you joined the police force.
Andrew So also had, no, yeah, I guess so. Yeah.
Everett Those two things contributed to our, our recording nights sort of shifting to Tuesdays or Wednesdays. But, um, yeah, we're recording on Sunday because Monday tomorrow I depart for Utah just a few hours away by, by plane, not by drive.
Andrew I mean, in fairness, it's like an eight hour drive.
Everett Yeah, that's right. Yeah. It's, it's maybe a little bit more than that, but, um, I leave for Salt Lake in the morning from where I will be driving by shuttle. I will be taking a shuttle to Alta, Alta Ski Resort, where I will spend the next several days skiing, inshallah. Yeah, so I'm pumped. I'm excited. It's been... Oh, it's a 12 and a half hour drive. Yeah, I was thinking a little bit longer than 8. Still doable, but yeah, it's a, it's a, a relatively short flight.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett That's, you know, like an hour and a half. So short that you, you get the small plane. Yeah. Three seats. Yeah. Well, I think, I think it's a four seater, um, that I'm taking, but the first class is just three.
Andrew So fancy. So fancy.
Everett Yeah. So I'm excited. Yeah. It's going to be, it's going to be a lot of fun. Um, Yeah, I'm going to meet, I'm actually going to meet up with John Liley there. Ooh. Uh, at some point probably and chat with him, maybe have a beer, an IRL beer.
Andrew How about that?
Everett Yeah, it's good stuff, man. Virtual beers are fun, but they're just not the same. It is not the same. Yeah. Depending on who you're having the beer with, there are some advantages, but yeah, definitely.
Andrew Andrew, how are you? I am good. I'm stuffed. I made a huge dinner. Today was like, I'm going to do some, I'm going to do a big dinner today. I made thigh tip. I made blackened rockfish. Ooh. Duck fat potatoes. I did sturf and turf mac and cheese. Sturf and turf? Surf and turf. Surf and turf mac and cheese with shrampy and a pancetta. Some roasted carrots and parsnips. And uh, Garlic bread. So I am. Garlic bread. I am stuffed. I'm like a little bit meat sweaty because the kids didn't eat much. Well, they ate much, but I also, there was a lot on their plate. So I did some plate cleaning and I had like, I don't know, two or three adult humans worth of tri-tip for dinner.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew That's cool. That's cool. Sous vide tri-tip is just perfect.
Everett Yeah. That's a really good way to cook. It's hard to, it's hard to cook. Like, unless you really know what you're doing, it's hard to cook. tri-tip to the right temperature. So it should be.
Andrew 130 degrees, six hours, hot sear it.
Everett Takes all the mystery out. All the mystery out. And it's almost impossible. It's almost impossible to overcook it at that point because you can't, with the sear, you can't get into the meat.
Andrew Like. It takes a long time to start getting into the meat. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. So. Turned out really good. Just Montreal steak season. You say you go to 130? Yep. 130 for six hours. I hold it there.
Everett It comes out like a high medium rare.
Andrew I mean, you saw it. I think squarely medium rare.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. I, you know, tri-tip is one of those where I probably lean towards the medium on tri-tip, but.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. I agree, but I try to, I always tend a little bit lower because inevitably that rest brings it up. Yeah. So I rest it after it comes out of the sous vide. And then I hot sear it to keep from getting it too hot.
Everett If you do a sous vide, does the temperature come up on the rest? I don't know.
Andrew I've never, I've never done any kind of experimentation with it. Like I've never put a probe in the bag, so I don't know, but I just, I let it rest to just cool a little bit and soak everything back up and firm up a little bit and then throw it in the pan. Yeah. Fair enough.
Everett Fair enough. Well, good. In any event, we're not talking about skiing and we're not talking about the appropriate methods to cook appropriate cuts of steak. Rather, we're talking about watches tonight, Andrew. We're talking about watches. And unlike most nights, we're talking about our watches tonight.
Andrew We are. And they're you slurpers.
Everett I like that. Um, You proposed this, you proposed this topic and I was like, yeah, interesting. There's, there's a show there. Um, and it was fun. It was fun to prepare for the show. So I think, why don't you tell us what we're talking about?
Andrew Sure. So my idea, my initial idea was what do we have? Cause we've done some state of the collections and honestly, there's not been a whole lot of changes there since our state of the collections. So everyone's got a pretty good idea of the types of watches that we own personally. Um, but I was one, I was thinking about the watches that we wear the most and that, so I'm looking at what you brought and you know what I have out that made it, that made perfect sense for me exactly what it had or what you brought. But, but you pose the idea, what would replace them? And we kind of went back and forth on what replace would look like. You know, my initial thought was, okay, one for one, what would replace this? Like, that doesn't make sense, because this is what I want. Like, I don't have a replacement for any of these watches, because this is the watch that I want. But there are watches that would jump it, that would knock it off the podium.
Everett I said that the problem with that is that we each have at least one end game watch, right? Yeah. We'll talk about it. You probably already know what they are, but we each have at least one watch that's like, well, this is it. This is the watch for this slot.
Andrew You don't ever improve upon that position.
Everett Right. And you, you might be able to like, you know, maybe a different metal or a different evolution, but this is the watch I want for this slot. So, uh, so yeah, we had to shift a little bit.
Andrew But, but so, so at least, so the perspective I took on this, was what watches could get added to the watch box that would slip these maybe out of their podium positions? What route did you take?
Everett Yeah, I think it was basically the same. I mean, I don't know. You know, one of the things I said, maybe it doesn't make sense for us to have too strict a rule here. Um, but yeah, sort of the same thing. Like, Knowing what I know about these watches and how I wear these watches and what they do, what watch could I reasonably aspire to do something similar? It wasn't exactly one-to-one for me. You'll see as we go through these things how some of the watches that I picked, like the Upgrade watch, covers maybe two elements of two of these or maybe not elements of any of them exactly. It wasn't precisely one to one, but for each of these, I kind of had, Oh, okay, here's what this does in my collection. And here's what I might upgrade this with reasonably. I mean, that was kind of our goal here. We're not to have, this isn't a pie in the sky.
Andrew Right. We're not, we're not getting ALS. This is, this is a watch that we could feasibly buy today without being served papers.
Everett Yeah. I don't know about that, but yes, at some point in the next like three to five years.
Andrew Maybe not today. Yeah. I'm like, but it could be on there. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. It could happen without, you know, also then having to bear the burden of child support. Yeah, that's right.
Everett Well, but if you did do that, you'd at least have the watch to sell for child support. Yeah.
Andrew Yeah. That shit got hairy. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And, and, you know, also there's, there's a likelihood that she wouldn't know how much it costs. So it wouldn't get counted against my like net value.
Everett That's right.
Andrew So that would be helpful.
Everett Yeah, that's right. That's right. Um, with that said, I think, I think it makes sense for us to go into this. You know, this is one of those episodes that, and you can tell me if you think I'm wrong in my head, I was like, this is going to go pretty quick, but we've never, we've had 150 episodes that we thought were going to go pretty quick and then
Andrew you know, we're at like an hour 20, hour 30.
Everett I think that's pretty close to accurate. Yeah. Um, so we might as well just get right into it. Why don't you start with your first watch, Andrew and, and, and, Ooh, are we going to go one to one? I think that's what we'll do. So does that work for your upgrade picks? Can you generally coordinate an upgrade pick with a watch?
Andrew I can't.
Everett Well, do it anyway. So why don't we start with your first watch. I think that white dialed one is the one that we should start with.
Andrew I think I accept your position. I can coordinate this. I can make this happen. I can do this. Okay, so my, and actually I don't think this is the watch that gets the most wrist time. I think this is my number two wrist time watch. Big shock here, it's the Cartier Santos. I love this watch. This is the most comfortable, best fitting watch I've ever put on. Like it was a watch that I put on somebody else's and realized, well shit, now I have to buy one. And it's iconic, it's filled with legacy, it's, we all know this watch. Are we gonna call this a white dial?
Everett It's a white dial. I was thinking this is like a silver dial. No, that's the white one. I'm sure there's silver out there. Because when I said the white dial watch, I meant a different one, but this is a good choice too. Yeah, Andrew, this is just like a perfect watch. Although your wrist is just small enough.
Andrew Just a link smaller than yours. Maybe a half link.
Everett Yeah, this thing's fucking perfect.
Andrew It's so I've and I've never it come when I got it, I got it on the bracelet with also also the leather strap. The leather is still in plastic. I've never pulled it out. Really?
Everett Mm hmm.
Andrew Interesting. I have no interest in taking that bracelet off ever. Even though it's as easy as a bracelet can ever be removed, that quick release technology is so great. The the quick release on the link exchanges is clean. It's easy. That butterfly clasp is crisp and beautiful. This, you know, I could spend a whole episode just talking about this watch.
Everett I think the thing I like the most about this watch is perhaps what makes this watch what it is, is that, you know, from eight feet, maybe 10 feet away, you could almost, mistake this watch for something more delicate than it is. You know, Cartier with, with the Roman numerals and with the, the mix of polished and brushed surfaces and the railroad track minute markers, the, and the blue hands, right? The heat blued hands.
Andrew Those blue hands play with light unlike anything I've ever seen.
Everett You know, you really have to sort of, touch this watch to realize, Oh no, this is a sports watch.
Andrew This is a banger. Like this is a tool watch. It's just so the polish is just so elegant. And I, I tried to kind of treat it like a safe baby for a little bit. And then I, I got a good little scuff there at like the seven o'clock on the, on the, the bezel. And I was like, all right, let's just wear this watch now. I got, I got the bandaid off. Uh, Yeah, I love it. I sometimes, I still kind of struggle with feeling a bit like an asshole when I wear it.
Everett Because of that dressiness?
Andrew Yeah, there's the dressiness and people are like, oh, what is that? And I'm like, it's a watch.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew Like, oh no, who makes it? It looks really nice. I'm like, dirty. Like, what? Yeah, that's gotta be expensive. It was. How much?
Everett I'm not gonna say. You know, you can't sneak that one by, I think, all of the rest of the watches on the table, maybe save for one, um, are pretty passable.
Andrew But I think even, I think what makes that seem more expensive is when people, when people hear Rolex or Omega, they're like, Oh, that's nice. But I don't think they assign a dollar value to it. But when people hear Cartier, they're like,
Everett Fuck. Right. Cartier is from magazines and nothing else. Like they've seen advertisements and have no actual.
Andrew Yeah. It has a, it has a different impact on, on, on the, the kind of uninitiated assessment, like perception of it. So for me, now that we're, we've talked about what I think is probably my number two most worn watch.
Everett So, so before you move on, hold on Andrew, before you move on, let me stop you because. I'd like to get an idea. So you've got three watches. We've only talked about one, but were there any themes from the three watches that you picked that you were able to say, okay, here's what I know. Here's what I know about my three most worn watches or here's what I'm, what my three most worn watches inform me about my watch wearing.
Andrew Yes. I like super comfortable, petite, sport watches. That's what I want. I want something that's really legible. I want something that's just gonna, the bracelet is just gonna drape around your wrist. I want a little bit of polish. I don't want, like, as much as I love titanium, when I'm in this space, I want something that's gonna grab light. I want something that's just gonna look good. But still, on the inside, have all of that sport tool functionality. I accept. Okay. Was that, was that kind of generally what you're looking for? I think so. Yeah.
Everett So, so why don't you give us your first upgrade watch?
Andrew My first upgrade watch. I feel dumb for picking it because of the name. Like Suwa before Don. The Grand Seiko Oh gosh, stupid Wi-Fi. The Grand Seiko SLGA021, part of the Evolution 9 collection. And this, what?
Everett It's a fantastic watch. I love this watch.
Andrew This is exactly it, right? This is a spring drive, so it's housing this freaking amazing technology. And that's part of what I love about watches is that we have these tiny little engineering and technological masterpieces at 40, even a big watch, 45 millimeters wide.
Everett Is this 45? I thought this guy was 40.
Andrew No, I'm talking about the technology. Right, right. Maybe bigger, but generally at most 45 millimeters wide. A real big one is eight millimeters tall, like we're talking about these tiny, magnificent machines. And then in comes spring drive, which is somehow even more impressive in a lot of regards. And this is just grand Seiko, right? This is that perfect polish and finish these great clean edges. just a beautifully textured Lake Suwa before dawn with the breeze running across the surface of the water. But you can't see it because before dawn, so I don't know how they were able to capture it. Um, but this is it for me, just a, an absolute as simple as it gets beautiful dial sport watch the size on it, 40 millimeters. It's got 22 millimeter lugs. Grand Seiko does some weird stuff.
Everett Uh, That's my only objection to this SLGA line. I mean, I really like the Evolution 9 stuff, but the 22mm lugs I could do without.
Andrew But I dig the proportions on it because of the way they do their in-link and lug shape. It doesn't have that fat, weird proportion that's really common in odd-sized lugs. The proportions are there. It's got this beautiful, just nice squared-off crown. And this is it. 11, eight thick. This is the upgrade. This is, this is feeling that dressy sport can wear it doing anything. Watch.
Everett I think this is a terrific watch. And I think I was chuckling. Uh, well, I'll come back to why I was chuckling. Um, you know, there's a lot of Grand Seiko choices. Is there something, anything about the evolution line, evolution nine line? that speaks to you? Hmm. This is also 120, 120 hour movement on this guy.
Andrew Yeah. Put what? Plus or minus 10 a month.
Everett Yeah. These, I mean, it's a terrific, this is the nine R trip.
Andrew Um, you know, there's a lot of, I think there's probably a lot of grand Seiko's that could have fit this, but what I was looking for in this, when I'm looking at an analog ish or upgrade ish to the, to the Santos, I'm going straight three-hand. I am gonna go with a date. I don't know why. I don't have a good answer for you. It doesn't have a power reserve indicator, which I just absolutely loathe. I get why they're there, but I find a better way to do it. Yeah, just not your thing. Yeah, I don't want a fan at the seven o'clock or the eight o'clock. I could just do away with it. I can wind my own fucking watch. Oh, it's not running.
Everett I'll fix that real quick. I can tell it's not running because it's not running.
Andrew Oh, it's about to be not running. I can, I can rectify this pretty easily without a power reserve indicator indicator. Uh, no, I don't, I don't have a good, um, I mean, Grand Seiko is all over the board, right? You know, I kind of sat on, on the, Oh, which GMT is it? Um, It's the no bezel GMT. I kind of sat with that for a little bit thinking about it. I was like, it's just not quite, it's not quite it.
Everett This was, this was it. I think evolution nine is the way to go. Yeah. It's a terrific watch. Well, I'm going to go to my first watch, uh, from my collection that I wear a lot. And, and the reason I'm going to go with this watch is because it's a GMT. And since we're talking about GMTs, I have, I have two GMTs that I'm going to talk about in succession. One of these is a special watch for me and for you. This is the Notice Sector Watch Clicker collaboration. This is a dive bezel GMT watch utilizing the Seiko automatic GMT. You know, I am just really I bought this watch, I wouldn't say out of a sense of obligation, but more out of like, yeah, you buy your collaboration watch. And maybe not totally sure how much I would wear it. This level of finishing and this sort of caliber of watch, I wouldn't say is below me, certainly it's not, but I do think my tastes have evolved just slightly past this $500, $600 watch, but kind of leave.
Andrew I don't know if they've evolved so much as that itch has been scratched.
Everett Yeah, maybe that's right, Andrew.
Andrew You've cultivated the understanding and your emotional threshold for dollar signs is greatly increased.
Everett That is true. That is true. With that said, here's what I'm going to say about this watch. I am going to say Golly, I wear this thing all the time. I just love it. I love it. I love the steel bezel. I got the steel bezel because... I think we all got the steel too, didn't we? I think so. Yeah. That felt like the right move. Also, I had a black bezel and it just felt like this is a steel bezel watch. And I'm kind of blown away by how much I'm wearing this. It's just the watch I want to put on at least once or twice a week, which given the amount of watches I have to choose from, And days in the week. That's right. That means this watch is taking significantly more wrist time than most of the watches that I wear. I think that there's something about the way they've done this watch, specifically the sector case, that maybe defies what I think I like about watches. And I don't, I haven't quite put my finger on what, why. But just day in, day out, I'm like, yeah, I want to wear this watch. And it's not because it has our logo on it or because, you know, we picked these elements or anything, although that does. It helps. That does help. It is just really a lovely watch to wear. The dial color is really, really good. That inky, inky, blue that plays really dark.
Andrew Um, the bracelet's really comfortable. The case is really comfortable. It's a crazy comfortable watch top to bottom.
Everett That's right. That's right. And I like the GMT more than I thought I would. I think it's kind of popular right now for people to say, Oh, GMTs do nothing for me. I hear that a lot or perhaps I read that a lot. Um, man, maybe it seems like that's a popular thing to say, right?
Andrew Do you have any other GMTs?
Everett No, this is my GMT. Yeah. Um, I, well, yes, this is my GMT. So, uh, now let me back away from the three watches that I, that I've got on the table today. Three and a four. Um, yeah. Say, uh, and, and just say, uh, all of these watches have things in common. Um, one of them is that they all have a bracelet. Mm. a good bracelet. One of them is that they're all dark dialed. So either dark blue or black. They've all got like a really nice geometry to the dial, drastically different dials on these four watches, three watches. But they all have this sort of like, elegant, you said the same thing. They've all got this like elegant, polished sportiness. They're all for tool watches. The bracelets are tool-ish. It's a linen suit. It's a linen suit. Yeah. I think that, I think maybe that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe or like a pair of monk straps. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, all of these fit that mold. And so I knew, Like as I'm picking watches to sort of kick these out of the rotation, it means it's going to be something I'm going to wear as much. And in most cases, I did sort of try to find something that I thought would, would compete directly one-to-one. And in this case, this is the most on the nose of each of these. And this watch is the Grand Seiko Evolution 9. sport spring drive GMT, specifically the SBGE283. This is the black dialed spring drive Evolution 9. Um, yeah. Okay. So what can I say about this watch? This is a Evolution 9. Talk a little bit about Evolution 9 introduced a few years back. It's Grand Seiko's sort of like push towards modernization, right? These are by and large thinner. They're using thinner movements to get a thinner case, but they're also, um, they relaxed on their design language. So there's still, they still have the same goals, but the, their design language is relaxed in a way that's allowed them to slim down their cases, modernize their approach. And these watches, these evolution nine watches are really something the same But different, truly an evolution of Grand Seiko's design. This is, I mean, it's a spring drive GMT, 200 meters. It's got a fixed bezel, this terrific black dial. They've also got like a gray snowflake dial. I think that's what they call it.
Andrew 41 millimeters. It's the weathered birch bark found in the high mountain pass after dawn. There you go.
Everett I don't know. 41 millimeters. These are, these are still chunky, but it's a GMT. So you've got like 13.
Andrew It's forgivable with, with a chronograph, with a GMT, you can get up into that space and like, oh, it makes sense.
Everett So these are a permanent collection watch, uh, 13.9. So this is chunky, but it's a dive GMT, 200 meter dive GMT. Uh, you've got the 9R66 automatic movement, 72 hour power reserve. plus or minus one second per day or 15 per month. It's their high-intensity titanium, so they wear pretty light. Yeah, so what I wanted here was a big, chunky dive-style GMT and mission accomplished. I think the reason we both went with Grand Seiko, and you can correct me if I'm wrong on this, so I'll just speak for myself, I think the reason I went with Grand Seiko is because I think Grand Seiko does everything that I want in terms of a sport watch. The lines are unapologetically sporty, but they really just, with the polish, the Zaratu polishing and the crisp lines, and you're going to catch light every time you roll your wrist over. This is really sort of the pinnacle of finishing in that space, right? That sub $10,000 space. And then you turn this thing over and you look at the movement and it's like, yowza. Yowza. Yeah. Um, this is, like you said, these machines are something to behold and, and Grand Seiko probably more than any other company is doing that thing, right? Like, look at what we did. Just look at it.
Andrew Yeah. Well, I think my, and my thinking for Grand Seiko was very much along, along the lines of, of your thinking. And Grand Seiko does a thing that only Grand Seiko does. Nobody else does finishing the way that they do it. That's an end game watch. That's what it takes to, like, remove things from the podium is, like, in-game shit.
Everett We didn't compare choices either, by the way. We just both showed up with Evo IX. Yeah. Spring drives.
Andrew It's a spring drive. What's next? Ooh. Okay. Next up for me. Probably my most worn watch. is the Christopher Ward C63 Sealander. It's phenomenal. It's that Christopher Ward light catcher case. And it's the, it's the 40 millimeter version. It's not the C36. I got this, uh, actually I, uh, when, when we got the first press material on it, I was like, well, I'm buying that, buying one of those because it is everything that I want. in a watch. It's a simple, beautiful dial. That Christopher Ward case is unmatched. They just do something so special with that light catcher case. The dimensions on it are perfect. I have been wearing it on an Everest straight bar for some time because I haven't tried the new Christopher Ward bracelets as comfortable as that bracelet is. as the Christopher Ward bracelet is that came with this, it's just a little bit too chunky.
Everett Yeah, with the lack of taper on that bracelet.
Andrew And forgive us, Evan, it does have 0.23 millimeters of taper. You're right. It's just, it's not the amount of taper that I want, but it's a tool watch, right? It's just a thick chunk of a bracelet. And it's, even as big as it is, super comfortable. uh, and it balances the watch nicely. It's not a, I don't, it's not a valid complaint that I have. It's just truly a taste preference that I just don't like the lack of taper. Uh, I love this watch. This is, I mean, that's why it's a, it's probably my most worn watch. Great tool watch. It's attractive in every environment on that black Everest is just phenomenal.
Everett Have either of us ever drawn, the connection between Christopher Ward finishing and Grand Seiko?
Andrew Uh, no, but I think we've, we've drawn the Christopher Ward is punching out of its weight class finishing conversation quite a bit.
Everett You know, it's never occurred to me until this moment, I don't think, but Christopher Ward, looking at the sides of this case, Christopher Ward is doing some Grand Seiko stuff. I don't know that it's ever, that's never occurred to me until just this moment, but Dial on everything, hands, not similar, but this could be a Grenzaco case. Interesting.
Andrew Hmm. I also love the short lugs on this thing. This is kind of a cannonball of a case, like short lugs keeps it really tight against you and they go down real sharp, but then they come back up at the end.
Everett So it doesn't have, yeah, they're like cut off.
Andrew Uh, There's been a couple of watches that we've talked about recently that had a similar lug design, and I was like, oh, I recognize that.
Everett Anyhow. And you get that into the slot on your wrist and it just melts into your body. Yeah. Yeah, it becomes a part of you. So what are you upgrading this guy with?
Andrew I feel like there was a couple of really obvious answers to upgrade a 40 millimeter sport watch, right? Um, some of which have been talked about on this very show. Uh, and I, I think any, any one of them would really would, would knock this off the podium. But for that, like, cause this, this is like a sentimental watch at this point. Like this is a watch I would never part with because I just love it. Um, so I gotta really, it's gotta be more than just dollars to, to, Dethrone this watch so for me it had to be Not just awesome, but like Shit awesome It's a Rolex Explorer 40 millimeter DLC black This is breathtaking. This is like, we don't need to say a whole lot about it beyond the fact that this should be a stock option that the Explorer has never been offered in DLC, PVD, or Cerakote. Can you imagine a Cerakoted Black Explorer? I can only imagine a PVD because I'm looking at one right now and that's what it would take That would be my pick.
Everett So this is an aftermarket PVD or DLC? Yes.
Andrew Interesting. Luxury of watches, does it? This is so baller.
Everett So this is just something you can buy from them? Mm-hmm. A murdered out Explorer. Cool. Yeah. Right? Yeah, that's neat. That's neat. I've never seen one of these.
Andrew You'd, you would have only ever seen one in person ever. They're, they're, you know, 14 grand, which to be fair, isn't much more than secondary pricing on Explorers anyway. So it's kind of like, eh, maybe, maybe it's worth it. Frank and I were talking a couple of weeks ago about a Cerakote watch. And I told him to send his Explorer to, to like a gun company that does Cerakoting. because they do all kinds of super fine seracoding processes, but I think he's reasonably apprehensive of that because Sarah has such a great freaking coding.
Everett Yeah. It's kind of fragile though.
Andrew Yeah. And, and you know, you're sending your explorer to people who've never opened up or worked on a watch. There's a lot of risk involved. Um, but getting a PVD coded from a company called the Luxury of Watches.
Everett Well, and PVD is not. It's wholly different. DLC is not the same as Cerakote, right? DLC really doesn't, doesn't ship like that. So this is terrific. And so, I mean, it makes perfect sense, right? This is, I mean, really, this is the watch that the C65 is probably most fairly compared straight across against.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah, it makes a ton of sense. That's the usurper, a DLC explorer, because that's so baller.
Everett I like it. I like this watch a lot.
Andrew That one could lead to papers if I were to just get that today.
Everett That's a little bit, yeah, that's a little bit on the pricey end. I mean, that's a big decision. That's a big purchase.
Andrew That's the one, though. I'm not going to get a... You're not going to get the silver steel? No, in PVD.
Everett It's a cool watch. I dig it.
Andrew Made me think, how cool would a black sub be? Like just a murdered out. Yeah. Cause this is, I mean, it makes as legible as the black dial Explorer already is on a black case. It's just all dial.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. The rest of the watch kind of disappears. Yeah. Cool.
Andrew Cool. Black on black sub. That'd be baller.
Everett Okay. My second one, my second watch, my second most worn watch is the Formics. Essence 39. I've talked about this watch so much. I don't feel like there's a lot more to say about it. It's a 100 meter watch. It's thin as all get out. It's got this beautiful dial. It's got polished. It's got brushed.
Andrew The cool shock absorbing little plunger effect thing.
Everett That's right. It's sporty, but also elegant. It's got this wonderful, super comfortable bracelet. I mean, the whole thing is just, and it just feels luxurious. I don't think that there's another watch in my collection that feels as luxurious as this one.
Andrew You got a really close second in the Triumph though.
Everett Well, yeah. So I also brought them onto Triumph because I'm going to put these two. I wanted to give an honorable mention to the Triumph because most of the time for these two watches, I wear them. I wear them on the same day. It's like today's a Essence Triumph day. There's rarely a time where I'm going to wear one and wouldn't consider the other. Do you double wrist them? No, I can't wear a watch on my right wrist. It's super uncomfortable, but it's where watches go. I could consider that. Yeah. Um, you don't have it open all the way. I know what's happening. Yeah. It's got that. It's got a bit of a, a different mechanism on the clasp than just about any other watch. Um, yeah, you know, really what this is, this is the same as your C 63, right? Uh, this is a steel sports watch.
Andrew Um, it's a little more techie. like technical, like with the screws in the bezel, with the kind of stepped bezel to case interface, a little bit more tool-y.
Everett It's more tool-y, yeah, than the Triumph. Like I said, I almost want to talk about these two in conjunction with each other because they do fill the same spot in my collection, and you wouldn't think that they would because these watches are not all that similar, but they do the same things for me. And so, which is why I have the triumph here on the table as well. Um, but, but really that's what this watch is. This is my 40 millimeter, not small, not big watch, right? You, you used to talk quite a bit about this is the watch. This is my watch. These, these both do that for me. This is my watch. I can wear these anywhere. I can wear them with a t-shirt. I can wear them golfing. I've worn them both skiing in the last year. I have, um, worn with a suit, I've worn them in court. These are, I do anything in these watches. I don't garden in my watches or do landscaping because that's really hard on watches I find, but just about anything else that I do, I'm wearing one of these watches. This bracelet. Um, so, so what to replace these? Well, those are the parameters, right? This is a watch that I'll do anything in. It's got to look good in a t-shirt. It's got to look good under the sleeve of an Arcteryx jacket, and it's got to be able to go into court with me. And for me, some people won't be surprised. For me, the watch that I upgrade this with is an Alpine Eagle, a 41 millimeter Alpine Eagle. And actually, interestingly, that watch is kind of a, it kind of lies almost directly in between these two, right? Yeah. Probably closer to the Form X than the Manta. Um, especially cause I'd probably get a blue dial Alpine Eagle. You know, it's got a bit of the, it's got a bit of the Santos in it with the Roman numeral and just a little bit more glossy. And the high polish. Yeah. The bracelet on the Chopard's closer to the Form X. Um, but it just is going to do that all day, every day, mid-sized. do anything in a watch. I would do anything in this watch. The black dial two tone is good. Yeah. Oh yeah. Gosh, it's a fantastic. That rose gold on that thing is fantastic. This is a watch that's made to do all your things. You can ski in it. You can go fishing if you want to. You can wear it in the court, right?
Andrew Yeah.
Everett This is a watch that's supposed to be able to do anything. It just so happens to have this absolutely insane Calibro 101C movement and beautiful, beautiful Chopard styling. Yeah, this thing only came out a few years back, I think 2019, but it is probably for me short of watches that are really unobtainium. This is like the coolest everyday watch on earth right now.
Andrew Well, and at what, $13,000?
Everett Yeah, well, you can get these for under $10,000 in really good condition on the second-hand market.
Andrew That kind of works in the all-day, er-day watch. Yeah. And you know, it's expensive. Sure. But it's not $90,000. No, it's not a mortgage. The polish on that middle link is just great.
Everett And you know, these come in at under 10 mil, 10 millimeters. I think they're like nine and a half cost chronometer certified. Fantastic in-house caliber. Um, yeah, dude, give it up.
Andrew Let me have it. I wish a grand Seiko told the story about the texture on the dial though.
Everett Oh, I mean, yeah.
Andrew You know, their story would be good.
Everett Well, but it's show part. They're like, it looks good. Yeah.
Andrew Do you need anything else?
Everett Yeah, that's right. Uh, integrated links, obviously. So you're not having to worry about, um, swapping straps or whatever.
Andrew This is the kind of bracelet that even if there were strap options, though, you're not gonna, you're not going to be replacing it.
Everett Yeah, that's right. I mean, I don't replace, I don't replace the bracelets on any of these, right? I just wear, I, you know, that's the thing. I wear all of these on a bracelet all the time. Um, in fact, sometimes I'll put them on a strap just cause I'm like, I want to wear a strap. And then it's like fewer than, well, like fewer than like two or three hours where I'm like, I want the bracelet. I'm just a bracelet guy.
Andrew Every once in a while I see a watch on a nylon strap and I'm like, man, I think I want to get the Pelagos fixed bars to like force me to wear a nylon strap because I love them. They're so comfortable. But the bracelets are just, at least in the watches that I'm wearing primarily, the bracelets are so good. Uh, and nylon doesn't hold a candle to this Everest rubber. Like I, and I've, I've said it before and I'll say it again. I never would have, I never, I never got it. Until I did. Yeah. Until I put an Everest on, I was like, Oh, there it is. Yeah. Now it all makes sense. Cause this is such a good strap.
Everett It is. Oh, it's a great strap. Yeah. I've got the fitted nylon for my Triumph and it's really nice, but I still wear it on the bracelet. So yeah. So for me, Alpine Eagle, I think that that's maybe an end game watch for that category that every day, all day, do anything.
Andrew I think it's a good fit for that category too.
Everett Oh yeah. I think so. I think so.
Andrew Andrew, what's your final watch? My final top three is the Manta Atlas. And this is my first big boy watch.
Everett Can I just say nobody's paying us, right? Christopher Ward hasn't paid us. Manta's not paying us. Formex isn't paying us. We just really love these watches.
Andrew Yeah. These are watches that we bought with our monies and wear the shit out of them. Yeah. Although I will say that your next watch you sort of bought with your money but it was kind of somebody else's.
Everett It's true. This is almost like an endorsement watch.
Andrew Yeah. So the Monte Atlas is my third most worn watch and it's for all the reasons you'd expect. The case finishing. The case shape and size, the dimensions of this watch are just absolutely perfect. It is- The thinness of that watch. Yes. Yeah. Everything about this is perfect. The bracelet's phenomenal. I don't wear it on an Everest, though I do have a round, a curved- A fitted. A fitted Everest for it. I don't, because the bracelet's just too good.
Everett Do you have the blue fitted for that? It might be that it's too blue. I think it is, yeah. The blue's not quite a, not a one-to-one match on that.
Andrew Uh, it's just also a bit of a bright strap for, for me. Uh, I have worn it on it quite a bit, but the bracelet's just, it's super good. And the bracelet's super tight tolerance. It's a big pain in the dick to replace.
Everett And no quick release. Monted does not do quick release.
Andrew Which, as we know from Frank, quick release is butts. use, use not, not in the good way. I love it. But it's stinky butts. Uh, I much prefer quick release because I don't do things in saltwater. If I'm in saltwater, something terrible has happened and I'm not really worried about the functionality of my end links. Like at that point it's survival. Um, and I think in side by side with the triumph, this is a, uh, you know, they're cousins, maybe siblings even.
Everett Yeah. I mean, this is the same sized case. You know, the, the Atlas is notably thicker, but on the wrist, you don't really feel it.
Andrew No, it wears super thin. Um, I love this watch. It's it's money. So to, to boot this out of bed, it's the Omega Seamaster. 300. And my thinking on this was like this is the most tool watch of this group. It's a GMT, which doesn't, you know, I think maybe there's an argument to be made that the C63 is more of a tool watch, uh, just because it's a little, I think it's just a little less refined in its appearance. Um, which isn't to say it's not refined. It's just, it's, It has a more tool watch appearance than the Atlas. The GMT in the Atlas is really, really discreet. Yeah, it is. And even that is really elegantly done. The curve in that GMT hand to... What is happening over here? You've gotten sprayed both times. You've squirted on me both times. The curve in this GMT hand to clear the markers is brilliant. It adds like a really cool visual and it's you don't notice it until you do. And then when you do it's it's just great.
Everett The markers in the handsets on Montez markers and handsets are something to behold. Yeah.
Andrew So I want a tool watch. Right. That's what it's going to take to dethrone a tool watch. And this is it. This is the tool watch of all tool watches. It's a prospect diver. with not just with not a discreet helium release valve. It's like a whole other crown helium release valve. It's the bond watch. It's cool. It's sporty, but because it's been a bond watch, you know, it's elegant, right? Even if it wasn't before that people having seen this on James Bond wrist in a tuxedo, like, Oh, I can do that. Which I think is when bracelets became dressy when people started seeing James Bond wearing bracelets on watches like oh he wears it in a tuxedo that's dressy fashion it's not but it is and it works and it's got that nine it's got that nine piece five link that i think is just terrific with the sort of polished dual track yes uh the only thing i consider getting one of these for my speedmaster by the way they have uh there's some versions out there without the wave dial i think the wave dial is the right yeah way to go even though a hundred percent i actually prefer the no wave dial i think in person i would i would regret having a seamaster without the wave dial and this is a watch that's like it this is on my near future list i've kind of been like bouncing back and forth between uh between the Pelagos and this. And I think this is maybe it. Black Bay was kind of in the conversation. Doc says the 300T is in the conversation, but I think I'm going to like this more than I would like any of the others.
Everett You know, the cynic in me, the cynic in me suspects that the Pelagos or Pelagos was introduced to compete directly with the Seamaster 300.
Andrew I don't think that's cynical at all. I think that's probably a pretty objective assessment. Yeah, maybe.
Everett But the Pelagos is just... It feels a little cynical. But I do think that these are really similar watches.
Andrew They are. And I really like the titanium of the Pelagos. I like the left-hand version. I don't like that it's... I have not seen one and not gilt. So there's just a lot of things. And what I can say with confidence is that I always like the Seamaster. There's nothing about it that I don't like. Sometimes I'm concerned by the 42, but I know that the way this watch wears, it's not going to feel like it. But also when you're wearing a prospect diver, you want that 42, you want a little bit of ass. It's a big watch and it should be a big watch. Yeah. And I want that, that stupid helium release valve. It's cool. The shape of it's neat. And it shouldn't, it doesn't need to be there. It just objectively does not need to be. Not just like the helium release valve, but the, but the cone, the crown for it. And like, this is just kind of a little bit of an odd watch and I just love it. And that's what it takes. That's what, that's what gets you onto the podium is something that's just, just a little bit perfect in every way and everything you see about it, you're like, huh, but also I really, really like it.
Everett You know, a little bit imperfect. I think, but for the sub, this is one of the watches that you see in the wild the most frequently.
Andrew I've only seen like one.
Everett Well, I've seen certainly more than that, but what I was going to say is even maybe more than the sub when you see one, you're like, oh, fucking Seamaster, right? You're like 40 feet away and you're like, oh, that guy's wearing a Seamaster.
Andrew The profile, you can see a hundred thousand different dive watches in a day. I'm like, is that a sub? Oh no, it's an Invicta. Yeah, that's right. Oh, it's a Citizen.
Everett But the Seamaster... It has no... That's Seamaster 300. It has no copycats. Yeah, that's right. And it's a beautiful watch. Adam Savage wears one sometimes, and I'm like, I think he's got a white dial one, and it's like, Seamaster. What up, Adam?
Andrew Yeah. Hey, Adam, if you want to come hang out, we would love to have you.
Everett Adam Savage wears a Seamaster. Great watch, Andrew. I think it's a great pick. That's what we would name the episode, too. And I think it's, you know, you would kind of, you would rebuffed my, like, efforts to do one watch to one upgrade. And I can understand why based on the watches you picked, but that makes, it makes a lot of sense to me.
Andrew That's what it takes to, to get on the podium.
Everett My final watch, uh, is a watch I own most worn watch. Certainly my most worn watch is my Omega Speedmaster 300. It's not a 300. It's a Speedmaster 50. We don't call it that though. It's a Speedmaster Professional, Andrew.
Andrew I got this watch. In a Pelican case. with a big ass medallion.
Everett In a giant case. I got this watch when I got hit by a car.
Andrew That's why I say it wasn't really your money nor was it not your money. It was. That's right. It was a windfall.
Everett Car fall. And you know so this watch is. I want to be doing two things when I wear this watch. One I want to feel kind of fancy. And two I want to wear a big fucking watch. This is my 42 millimeter watch. It's my big fucking watch day.
Andrew Um, you're, you're, uh, Hamilton pilot is way bigger than this.
Everett It's about the same size, but these are the, those are the two watches I wear on my big, my BF, uh, W days. Um, and, and you know, the Speedmaster isn't huge. It's not an enormous watch, but it takes up a little bit more wrist real estate. It's because of those long lugs. And it's just sort of, it feels big, right? To what it lacks in size, it makes up for in just sort of... Presence. Like, hi, I'm a watch and I'm on Everett's wrist. It's got big lats is what it is. That's right. It just kind of, it pushes them up. Yeah, this is my like, I want to wear something neat and nice and fancy and there.
Andrew Another unmistakable watch. You've never looked at somebody and been like, I'm, that could be a Speedmaster.
Everett And you know what? People call me out on this watch relatively frequently. Um, and by relatively frequently, I mean like three times ever, but I was getting an oil change just the other day. And the 19 year old kid who was standing at the computer at the oil change place was like, is that a Speedmaster? And I was like, yes it is. And he was like, is it real? Yes, it is. Yes, it is. And he's like, man, that is awesome. That's like $10,000, right? And I was like, no, it wasn't that much. It was about half of that.
Andrew Just a minor impact at high speed. Also baller move that a 19, well, that a kid, and he's probably older than 19, he's probably in his early 20s, but he was a kid. Yeah. Just, but that he recognized the Speedmaster. Everyone, is it a sub? No, it's not a fucking sub. Yeah, he knew what it was. He knew what it was. Is that a Speedmaster? Oh, I saw something interesting the other day in the wild, and I can't remember what it was. Doesn't matter. We move on.
Everett So everybody knows what this watch is. This is the Pro. This is the Hesselite-crystalled steel back. Dot over 90? It's not a dot over 90, actually. It's the dot to the side of 90. Womp womp. I'm not really into...
Andrew Speedy. Speedy lore. So I know dot over 90 and I don't know the significance of it besides what it is objectively the dot over the 90 versus at like 45 degrees to the 90.
Everett This is the this is the last version. It's not the current model. This is the previous version. But you know we don't need to say anything about Speedmaster. It's a terrific watch. I love it. It's my most worn watch. So to replace this thing I want something big. I want something sporty, but I want something nice.
Andrew Do you know what? I, I want to say one more thing about the Speedmaster. The con curved dial is, is just phenomenal. It like there's, it appears as there's no space between the dial and the domed crystal. Everything's just right there. It's just right there. And it shouldn't be because you have this dome crystal, you'd expect to see airspace. It gives it an appearance of being super, super compact, though it is not.
Everett Yeah, it's not. I mean, it's a big watch, right? It's a big old balloon. And so I said, before we started really talking about the watches, I said, at least two of these are end game watches, right? I think both the Santos and the Speedmaster. Something bad just happened. I think Andrew just put on a Speedmaster for the first time and thought, oh boy.
Andrew It doesn't feel too big.
Everett Yeah. I mean it, I, I've never had, I know some people do have an issue with it wearing too big for me.
Andrew Every time I've put it on, it's felt too big and this is the first time it hasn't. Something bad has happened.
Everett I'm getting fat. You are not. Um, so yeah, the, the, the watch that, that is going to fill this space needs to be big. It needs to be fancy. It needs to be showy.
Everett but also sporty and wearable. And this is a watch that's been on my radar for quite a while since this was introduced last year. Uh, I've talked about it a number of times. Um, you gotta buff this scuff out. This watch is a watch by Zen. And those of you who have talked to me about watches personally in the recent past won't be surprised to hear this is the Zen T 50 GBDR. This is the gold bronze bezeled non-limited Zen T 50. So titanium case, titanium gold bronze bezel.
Andrew Um, these are the ones, Oh no, these came out last year. This isn't the oil filled one. Nope.
Everett These are the ones that came out last year. Yeah. Um, so this is an automatic, it's not the quartz oil filled. Um, it's, you know,
Andrew I can, I can see the equivalency here. It's, it's totally there. This is a far more tool watch thing. They're not the same. But it, it, it fills the, it fills the same hole.
Everett That's right. Fancy, cool, interesting. expensive. I, I know that we, we worry a little bit about that. Um, like the ostentatious or the vanity aspects of the hobby, but what are these? Uh, yeah, you can get them for like three to 3,500 depending. That's not terrible. They're a little bit hard to find.
Andrew They're a little bit hard to find. Every, I'm pretty sure that Zinn doesn't actually make watches.
Everett Yeah, some of these are, they're hard to find.
Andrew You can't buy them brand new, ever. You always buy them secondhand from a guy who also bought it secondhand, and they're hard to find. I think there's about 15 of their watches in circulation.
Everett Right. Okay, so here's a full titanium one for $38.50. The full gold bronze with the strap. Yeah. You know, I, I'm not sure. I think these are four to 5,000 bucks.
Andrew Um, depending on for what you're getting out of it though, in, in German submarine titanium, that's been stolen from a shipyard. We verified that we verified that fact. The phenomenal engineering of these watches. I've, I've touched a good handful of watches from this brand and was just blown away by them. Like, looked at the person whose watch it was while it was on my wrist, looked at me, looked at them and I was like, I'm probably faster than them. Uh, real consideration because these are just phenomenal. And you know that this, that this version is going to be, every bit as good as everything else they've ever produced.
Everett You know, it's not huge. Uh, I think they're 41 millimeters diameter, but they're pretty chunky.
Andrew The chunky is going to make it seem way more huge. These have to be 14 thick.
Everett Um, I think that's pretty close. They're 13. They're definitely in the thirteens. Yeah. So that's it.
Andrew That's the watch. Oh, they're only 12, three thick on the case. That's phenomenal.
Everett I think it's 13 overall, though, with the crystal. But I could be wrong. They have flat crystals, don't they?
Andrew I'm looking. Well, it doesn't matter. This is going to wear big because of the chunkiness. It's got that super textured link, chain ring texture on the bezel. Yeah. Yeah. It's a little bit weird crown placement.
Everett Yeah, you're 12.3 on this. You're right. So pretty thin. Yeah, this is it. 500 meters of water resistance. Come on.
Andrew Probably no quick release on the bracelet, but if you're getting into salt water and you're 450 meters, you got bigger problems than your watch.
Everett That's the one. It's not going to unseat the Speedmaster. Nah, because that's got sentimental value. But I would wear these on the same day.
Andrew You just bring your watch, roll to work and switch out at lunch.
Everett Not together, but I mean, I could, I would wear these in similar circumstances. Obviously the Speedmaster probably has a little bit more versatility.
Andrew A lot more versatility. This, this you, you wear into court and it draws nobody's attention. A bronze-bezel T-50. Big bitch diver is going to draw some attention.
Everett At 12.3, though, I'm not sure. Maybe a little bit. So not 1 to 1, but in any event, that's the one I replaced this with. So there you go. These are our most worn watches and the watches that we would use to unseat those. Andrew, anything else you got to say about these watches?
Andrew I wish I hadn't wanted to put on your Speedmaster tonight because I was pretty comfortable with not wanting one.
Everett Andrew, other things, what do you got?
Andrew Okay. Uh, last night I had a little bit of a bout of insomnia and I was scrolling through all nine of my streaming platforms looking for something to watch. I was like, when I, when I can't sleep like that, I'm like, I'm fucking angry. Cause I'm tired, but I'm not sleepy. There's nothing I can do to be ready to go to sleep. So I'm just like up. I get to Hulu and I see this tile. for a new FX show. Just watch the first episode now. I was like, I'll try it, whatever. It's called Shogun. Oh my gosh, this show is so good. So it's set in the Edo period of Japanese history. And it does such a great job with you being totally ignorant of geopolitics in feudal japan because barring people who have like done study to learn about that there's not really a good reason for you to know about it so the whole premise of the show is that the emperor has died his heir is too young to rule and he appoints a council of regents to run the country until his heir becomes of age.
Everett The, is this a remake of a show from the seventies?
Andrew It very well could be. I don't know. I didn't do any looking into it. I just started it and I watched two or three episodes. I don't know how many were available. It was two or three. Um, the acting is terrific as we've talked about before. FX does. some of the best cable television programming of our era. Uh, they have like HBO quality production. You don't get the boobies. So it's, you know, trade offs. Right. Um, so it is half in English and half subtitled Japanese. On Hulu, the dubbing is poor. It's like they didn't cut the Japanese audio so you can hear the Japanese audio and then you have an English voice over the top. It's really distracting. Just don't second screen while you're watching it. The English portion is actually supposed to be being conducted in Portuguese because it's following this English ship that's seeking out Japan to try to break the Portuguese control of trade with Japan. And it's so good. It's got great action scene, the character arcs, you can kind of see these characters taking form as you're being introduced to them. You know, the like people who are kind of initially villains, like you see why they are perceived as a villain. There's great kind of flashback into into the wise and it is Really well done. Great sword violence. Like, you know, we're, we're dealing with, I don't know what years this is, like 1600. No, it's gotta be earlier than that. We're, we're dealing with medieval weaponry kind of stuff. We've got cannons and stuff, but I don't, I don't like.
Everett Pre, pre hand armaments.
Andrew Yeah, but we've got cannons and it, It's a good show. The acting is great on it so far. It, yeah, I, I super, super liked it and would recommend and it's early phases of the show. Right. So it's still a little bit trying to sort itself out and find itself. And from the position that they're doing it, this is going to be a good multi-season show.
Everett I think that's fine. Yeah, it's good. I've got another thing. Do me. There's this movie that came out last week, it's called Dune II. Have you heard of it?
Andrew I've heard about a watch. I related to it.
Everett I took my daughter, Betty, to see this on... We went on Saturday, so the day after opening. You sent me the wrong link. I'm sorry. I did not. I sent you a link that's coming up. Andrew, it's terrific. It is terrific. So it's a very long movie. So between Dune I and Dune II, I think we've got nearly six hours at this point, which some folks might call a trilogy.
Andrew Or whatever a forlogy is.
Everett I would just say, I would say, look, make sure you're rested because it's a lot. But holy shit, it is good. It is good. Um, you know, there, there are a lot of people who are anti David Lynch, Dune. I'm not one of them. David Lynch, Dune is really fun. Uh, but it's not the book. It's just different in really a lot of ways. Uh, Dennis Villanueva, Bill, I don't know what we're talking about.
Andrew We,
Everett We've got a movie now that covers the first book and does it justice. There are some differences. I would say the differences are minor, but there are some differences. But they're just very little and the story itself and the way they've handled this material is absolutely spot on. The acting is brilliant.
Andrew It's because it's got some like maybe the best lineup of actors that's ever been assembled.
Everett You know when I look at this cast it really occurs to me that this is maybe the most emblematic movie of the generation of actors we're in. You know a lot of these movies sort of they either have like actors from a prior generation or they have like a really wide span of actors. I think that the people in this movie, Timothee Chalamet, Zendaya, Jason Momoa, um, Austin Butler, Florence Pugh.
Andrew Poof. Pew. Pew. I like poo. I mean, Javier Bardem, Josh Brolin, Christopher Walken, and Stellan Skarsgård. Those are like the old guard in it. who are still pretty irrelevant today.
Everett And everybody's casted appropriately, right? So you've got like, this is like the who's who and everybody's in the right spot. Christopher Walken is terrific. Everybody's so good. The acting is so good. And the story is the story. The cinematography is beautiful. The way they bring in the elements of the story, even though you know what's going to happen or maybe you don't, it like, the tension is there. There's the anticipation is there. It is wonderful. It's wonderful. I'm really excited for Dune Messiah to come out. I'm sure it's been greenlit at this point. And for those of you who don't know, Dune Messiah was written by Herbert as a bit of a reaction to folks sort of considering Paul this hero and being excited about Paul is, you know, in particular in the United States, but also in England and the Western world. Um, so there's some spoilers there perhaps. Um, gosh, it's so good, Andrew. It is so, so good. If you haven't seen it, go see it.
Andrew I have a huge knowledge gap in my life in that I didn't, did never play the Dune games. Are there games? Pretty sure. Oh, I don't know. I never did the books and I've not seen the movies.
Everett You've got to read Dune and Dune Messiah. You just have to, Andrew. You would love it.
Andrew I'm sure I would. It's just a, it's a strange, like little siloed knowledge gap.
Everett Oh my gosh. And this, this movie series has shaped that to just be one of the greatest of all time. I mean, sci-fi, you know, genre movies. really, really, really amazing.
Andrew Which are all just space Westerns. Yeah. All of them.
Everett It is. It's it's really wonderful, Andrew. Really, really, really good. So I think that's all I'm going to say. I don't want to spoil anything for anybody. If you haven't read it and you're just like, I'm doing the movies, I won't spoil anything. But Dune dies at the end. It's it's excellent. It's excellent. And just so you know, Paul's not the hero.
Andrew And Dune's not a character.
Everett I do have a plug I want to give. Do me. We're long here, but I mentioned the other a couple of weeks ago that I have been on the Pen Addict Slack. The Pen Addict being probably like the most famous or relevant pen blog. There's a Slack, which is this incredibly diverse community and they talk about everything. There's a watches subreddit on there that I spent, not subreddit channel, but I spent a lot of time on there. Um, but the pen addict has, uh, is at the time this episode is published, we'll have just announced pre-orders on their notice collaboration watch. Interesting. This is going to be the second, ever Sektor Dive GMT watch. You're welcome for paving the way. And it's terrific. Oh, it's fun. Oh, it's fun. So there's some details here. Andrew, I sent you some copy, but this is a countdown timer Dive GMT with a really lovely orange dial. And I think what they're calling a poker chip countdown bezel. Aluminum bezel. Oh, this is fun. Big, chunky. It's alternating silver and orange on the bezel. This is a really fun watch in part because it's part of another community that I'm part of or I've become part of. It's Notice, which we're huge fans of.
Andrew And it's a full hour countdown timer. It's not your typical 15 minute countdown timer.
Everett Yeah, that's all the way around. You get a countdown all the way around. This is fun. They made a lot of fun choices here. I think it's really terrific. It's very orange. It's very orange.
Andrew Very orange.
Everett I think the color is sort of the Pen Addicts orange. There's a card in the website copy which I got previewed to me, which is a Robert Oster color collaboration with the pen addict fire on fire. Um, yeah, this is really terrific. It's, it's a sector dive GMT. So we've talked about that watch a lot, but pre-orders will be out now. So you should be able to find this on the notice website. Um, pretty fun. That's all I have to say about it, but I thought it would bring it up. Who wrote this? So this is, uh, so this is one of the folks on the Slack. His name is Michael who wrote this. This is the copy for the pre-order release. Michael leaked this to me, uh, in case I wanted to talk about it. And I did.
Andrew And I'll be linking it elsewhere. Yeah. I'm not going to leak it. I'm just going to wait.
Everett Well, there won't be a link to this in the show notes. I don't believe. No, I didn't say link. I said leak. If we get in there, if we think about it, we'll get in there and add this.
Andrew But it's Michael's relationship to the watch world. Uh, it's liking watches. Who did, who worked on the design lab with this?
Everett I, so I think that this was pretty collaborative with the, the entire watches channel. I think they did a lot of polls and it's kind of crowdsourced.
Andrew So you'll notice it has 71 kind of feel. with like notice at the at the design lab helm. Very much so.
Everett Oh fun. Very much. It's a bit of a forum watch. So a forum collab. So a lot of these decisions were made before I was really in that community. Elsewise it would have been worse. I've been watching this sort of come together over the last month or so and they're now ready to announce.
Andrew So this is fun. That orange is really really nice. It's like I can't tell. Is it sunbursty or is it just the way the light's hitting it in the photos?
Everett I think it is a little, I think it's a little bit like ours where you've got like that shimmer. It's not sunbursty necessarily, but you do have that shimmer in there.
Andrew I like that. Yeah. Yeah. I really like that bezel. The, the, the poker chip bezel, orange and steel is fire.
Everett It's got a great, the 24 hour track is instead of being on the bezels on the, or on the inner portion is on the rehab. which is a fun touch. Yeah, it's a really cool watch. I will say they have less water resistance than we do.
Andrew Do they have just 100 meters? It's just 100. We've got greater than or equal to 110. 11 points, baby. Andrew, anything you want to add? That's a costly point to lose. No, I'm out of things.
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