Fears Has Another California Adventure

Published on Wed, 24 Jan 2024 22:36:11 -0800

Synopsis

The podcast covers a variety of topics related to watches, including new releases, collaborations, and legal cases involving watch brands. Some notable releases discussed include the Baltic Time and Tide Hermetique Night Mode, new Citizen ProMaster GMT watches, a Boulder Expedition Enigmath with a slide rule, and updated Hamilton Khaki Aviation Pilot watches. The hosts also touch on a legal case in the Netherlands where an insurance company had to pay the secondary market price for a stolen Rolex Sky-Dweller. Additionally, one host shares his experience starting a sourdough bread starter, and the other discusses his recent purchase of an expensive titanium safety razor.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20 of the Watch Cooker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Everett Everett, how are you? I'm doing well. You know, Andrew, it's been a little while since we've talked about our live production. I was hoping we could talk about for that five, 10 minutes. Uh, we are live produced you guys. That's really cool. I'm just joking. We don't need to talk about it, but which is why it's so bad.
Andrew Right? Everett does all the production in flight. And that's why all the audio complaints that you have, they're totally valid because he does a just okay job. Just okay. He's not an audio engineer. He's not an engineer of any sorts.
Everett I am. I am the audio engineer, which is not to say I am an audio engineer. Yeah.
Andrew You are though. I mean, you, you've got, we've four years now.
Everett Five years? Yeah, we're going on five. So November of this year will be five years.
Andrew So if anybody is looking for an audio engineer with five years of real experience, Everett's not your guy, all right? So let's just be super clear for those of you on the hunt for it.
Everett But if you're looking for the audio engineer of the 40 and 20, the Watch Clicker podcast, I am your guy. He is the guy. Five years experience. No, Andrew, I'm doing pretty well. Got a bunch of stuff going on at work. I've got a jury trial next week. Surprise! Yeah. And it's a surprise jury trial, which is the best kind of jury trial. And so, you know, litigators, so civil litigators in 2024 do not do jury trials. I think it's in Oregon, I think it's like point zero, no, 0.1% of all civil litigations proceed to a jury trial in Oregon. So one in a thousand lawsuits proceed to it, which means, so I'm an attorney now with a dozen years of experience and I've never done a jury trial. I've done the preparation for a handful of jury trials But they've all settled. And so this will be and this is not going to settle. I don't think so. This will be my first jury trial. And so the preparation for a jury trial versus a bench trial which is to a judge is probably triple easy. Yeah. Yeah.
Andrew And so just because of the administrative stuff that goes into it.
Everett Yeah. And so we're kind of all hands on deck at the office and Yeah, it's going to be fun. It's going to be good. It's going to be, it's kind of a boring case, but that's nice considering it's going to be probably the first time I'm interacting with a jury.
Andrew You are going to love it. You might move to criminal law after.
Everett Yeah, no, I'm sure I will like it. There's a lot of anxiety that I have right now about the uncertainties, you know, the things I don't know. I've seen jury trials.
Andrew Is it the same administrative process, like same with voir dire and everything that goes into a criminal process? It's exactly the same.
Everett Yeah. Dude, you are going to have a blast. I think so. Yeah. Our voir dire is is a little bit less dynamic than in a criminal case. Make it that dynamic. Like just drag it out. Yeah. The judge is not going to put up with that.
Andrew Ham it up.
Everett Yeah. I think it might be your only chance. And I will. Yeah. We'll have some fun with it. But it's it's a lot. And so I'm feeling that stress.
Andrew I think you're going to have a blast. I'm excited for you to get that opportunity because I've always been really jealous of attorneys going through that process because I've sat through many of them.
Everett Well, you know, that's the only other aspect to this is there's a bit of performance anxiety that I don't have with a judge. You know, at this point I've done, I don't know, 20,000. Yeah, I don't know, maybe 50 bench trials. uh, to a judge, maybe 60, 70, something like that. Uh, and, and so I'm super comfortable in that environment. I'm super comfortable with the things that judge is going to think and, and how I resolve the mistakes I'm going to make. It's a different, it's a different, but you're a homie and you talk to people really well. Yeah, I know. I know. And I think those, I think those things are true. So I'm not, I'm not rationally worried about anything. It's the unknown. That's right. Andrew, how are you?
Andrew I am good. I'm a little tired. I've taken three days off in this pay period and I'm still well over my 80 hours. I think I'm still at like 95. Oh my gosh. three days, like unscheduled days off, like, hey, I've worked too much, I'm taking a day off. So it's been a long response planning and recovery effort for Ice Storm that is, it's still, still giving gifts, trees still coming down.
Everett You know, Andrew, have we talked about the fact that you've changed roles? I think a lot of folks who've been listening for a while, probably. I don't know that I have. Know that you're a Former at this point police officer and yeah moved into emergency management.
Andrew Yeah, so that's what I do now. I work in emergency management I sleep generally at night, which is awesome. I work a normal ish Schedule barring when we have ice barring when there's disasters. Yeah, it's yeah, it's been a really cool change because I Know exact well generally exactly what I'm gonna do when I'm going to work. I don't have to touch yucky people I haven't stepped in human feces in some time. Uh, yeah.
Everett You're exposed to less blood on a regular basis. Yeah.
Andrew I haven't, I haven't, I haven't touched anyone that I didn't want to touch.
Everett Do you miss the smell of meth smoke?
Andrew No, I still smell that cause I do still work downtown. Uh, in fact, I smell more meth smoke. Uh, yeah, it's, it's been a, a certainly a, a cool change, uh, and a, a interesting, confluence of past careers and experiences coming together to still work for the community in a really meaningful way, but a really different way.
Everett Yeah. And you know, with your experience, your army experience and your law enforcement experience, I think you're really uniquely qualified for the job.
Andrew And I coalesce people, like people who just don't trust the normal players in my space. The bureaucrats? Well, the, not just the bureaucrats, but the, the kind of career people in this field who they went to college for it, or they went to grad school for it, or they kind of made their way into it because they happened to be in government or like something peripheral to it. Uh, I, I bring a very like coalition building, like the firefighters, like me, the police, like me, I, I, I bring some more people to the table that otherwise felt a little bit unseen.
Everett You break down some, some barriers, some social barriers.
Andrew Yeah. Break down some barriers. Cause I, I'm still getting used to how to behave in a, in a true professional environment because this is the first time I've ever been in an environment where you don't see your coworkers in their underpants, like on a really regular basis. Yeah. And it's interesting the barriers that that breaks down and simultaneously builds up. Like when you don't talk to your coworkers while you're both in your underpants, you behave in a different way around them than if like you're like when you're in the locker room and you're getting dressed and you're both in your underpants or like you're talking to each other from one shower stall to the next. Like that's just a different professional environment that it fosters. So I'm still getting used to that.
Everett Yeah. You know, I've said to people before that the army was the most intimate work environment I've ever had because you're, you're, close. I mean, there's physical proximity, there's emotional proximity in a way that you don't get in most modern workplaces. And so that is a big change, right?
Andrew Yeah, my crew, like my truck crew, we'd spend days, weeks within eight feet of each other. All day. All day, like my My gunner's genitals were like a foot and a half away from my head for hours a day. Yeah. It creates a wholly different, uh, work climate.
Everett And now you work in an environment where you have to worry about whether the new key switches you just ordered are going to be too noisy for your coworkers. Yeah. Yeah. Um, they're going to be. Well, uh, that, that's fun. I'm sure we'll have a chance to talk about your, your new role more as we proceed. But tonight, today, Right now, we need to talk about watches, Andrew. We're here to talk about watches. And there's been some fun. This was a cool week. This is, I think, uh, yeah, some neat stuff happened. This has been one of my favorite, this was one of my favorite preps I've done in a while because I, you know, the amount of stuff that was released in the last week that I was like, this is really cool. Uh, it was high. Every new watch I found to send out, I was like, Oh, I'm excited about this one. I don't know that I've felt quite that good in a while about, uh, Mm. One of these roundup episodes.
Andrew Some hopes for 2024. Right. We're in the third week of January. Is it the third or fourth? It's the third. It's the 24th.
Everett No, that means that means it's the fourth week of January.
Andrew Well, I'm going to look at a calendar. It's the fourth week. I'm telling you, we're in the four things. They don't, you know, shit about fuck. We're in the fourth week of January. Everyone's shook off their They done shook it off. All the holiday season's gone. They're getting their little burst before Chinese New Year shuts it down for six weeks. And here we are. And let me start. I want to start with a collaboration. And I've been kind of hot for field watches the last few months. Kind of like dabbling in the zone of maybe I want this. I kind of got hot for Sangen a little bit. but they're sold out and they, like, I don't know. They're always sold out. They're always sold out. And they have been since probably month three. They are doing a lot of cool kind of spec ops collaborations. And if I'm being honest, it's like part of what kind of gets me excited about them is a little bit of their, just the hype surrounding them. But they've got a couple of watches that I certainly dig that are appropriately sized. When they first released, before all the hype came around and I first became aware of them, Their sizing just wasn't quite what I wanted. They've dialed in their sizing, they've dialed in their design. But anyway, we're not talking about sanguine instruments. We're talking about a Baltic Time and Tide Hermetique Night Mode. And this is Blackfire. So this is a Baltic collaboration with Time and Tide. And they have released an all DLC black dial, not faux-tina'd, but just slightly, slightly off a white coming in with that, uh, with that loom pads field watch. And this is money. The specs on this are a 37 millimeter case, money, 10.8 thick, a little, little much, 46 millimeters lug to lug. Black PVD coating, 150 meters of water resistance, getting full points, 20 millimeter lug widths, Miota 9039, 800 bucks. This is great. It has a fully like not sunk into the case crown very much the way the SNK does, which I really, really like. I know it's not super practical for a field watch because practically speaking with a field watch, you want something that you're going to be able to operate with gloves on. I'm okay. This makes it sleek. And I am for it.
Everett Can I just say for a second, uh, that, um, black fire sounds like a Richard Roundtree film from the 1970s. Uh, yeah. So we talked about the, the, we talked about the hermetic when they came out in October, Uh, you know, really, really neat watches. Baltic's done a cool thing. I think that I'm with you. This watch hits all of the, it hits all of the points and it is, uh, yeah, Blackfire. Yes. Featuring Richard Rowntree.
Andrew Yes, this is good. It comes with the strap options are a green.
Everett I apologize if that offends anybody, you guys, I'm really sorry, but it seems appropriate.
Andrew green and black tropic straps on them. And I think that's right. I think that's the move for this.
Everett Yeah. You know, you're it's you said 10.8 is a little thick. I don't actually think at this price range or for this watch it is. No, not for this price range, but and for 37, though, if you get this under if you get it under 10, that's great. But we've got 150 meters of water resistance.
Andrew And my assumption is that that 10-8 is not accounting for the double dome. I think it doesn't. Is it? Yep. Yep. Yep. Oh, so then maybe I'm... Including the highly domed crystal. Oh, then I'm going to retract my thickness concern. I mean, it looks like it wears fantastic. And coming at 37, such a good size for a field watch. And I think that's something that's often missed with field watches. We get a ton of really good field watches in the 40 millimeter zone. Some coming down to 38, but that 36 to 38, just shaving a millimeter off creates such a good sleek watch.
Everett You talk about the, the, so this has got like half a millimeter thick C3 X1 blocks. It's huge. Uh, they, it, it's glows like fire. These are cool. The Hermetique is cool in and of itself, but this one specifically is pretty cool. 9039, um, This is a rad watch. I actually think these Hermetiques are one of the best sub-thousand dollar field watches you can get, just period. Baltic does a good job. It's not a brand, you know, I think we've been huge fans of Laurier, we've been huge fans of Tarasco, which is not to say we're not fans of Baltic, but I don't think it's filled the same amount of our dialogue as those other brands that I consider pretty close. Yeah, I mean, they just put out winners, dude.
Andrew Yeah, everything they do is. Like DJ Khaled. All he does is win, win, win. No matter what. Good one. I said that the other day at work. I was like, I'm DJ Khaled. Somebody looked at me like, what do you mean? I was like, all I do is win. And they continued to look at me like I was the asshole somehow. I was like, are you kidding me? Well, you are, but I liked it. It was good. I wasn't there, but I liked it. You would have thrown your hands up and they stay there.
Everett It'd be me too. Uh, Maurice Lacroix, Maurice Lacroix, Maurice Lacroix. Lacroix. Lacroix. Maurice Lacroix released a handful of years ago, the icon spelled with an A. Uh, cause of course they released in 2016, a handful of quartz icons. based on a 1980s model of Marisa Croy called the Calypso. The Calypso is kind of an ugly watch, but it's very interesting. The icon sort of modernized that design and gave it a little bit of I mean, let's just let's just say what it is. It gave it a little bit of a Audemars Piguet integrated thing.
Andrew So in fairness, though, there's only so many ways to do that.
Everett Yeah. And that's I think it's a little unfair to say that, but I also think it's accurate. So the icon has been a watch that I've handled in person. We've talked about a few different versions of that watch that came out over the years. You know, I think for me, it comes in in a it's like that $2,000 to $3,000 range, which is just a tough price range for watches, you know. It's so hard to live there. Because just underneath that, you know, especially, you know, recently you've got Formex, you've got Manta, and really at that level or just above it, you've got like Bang & Longines, you've got Tudor,
Andrew You've got Zodiac working in the similar design kind of motif, not look, but the same kind of era feel in the same zone.
Everett That's to say, I think Maurice LaCroix gets a bit of an unfair shake in that regard. Which, you know, fine. And that's a subjective, right? Like, I think these watches are cool. Not something that's interesting me because of the other options available at that price. With that said, fantastic watches. They introduced their plastic case. I think I've said, you know, it's like a recycled, I think, Tide plastic. I've said in the past, like, if that watch was an $800 watch, I'm all over it. But unfortunately, it's not.
Andrew Anyway, it's hard to sell recycled plastic at this price point. Like what what else are you doing? Because there's so many people doing that material. All over the place, right, this isn't this isn't steel that is being used universally, and we know that finishing is going to be going to be a huge factor in your pricing. This is recycled plastic. You can only polish it so well. You can only I'm I'm curious where the where the dollars are at.
Everett Yeah. I, I think if that icon instead of being 800 bucks or whatever it winds up being is 300, you know, like a moon swatch price, it's a no brainer. And anyway, they, they've released a watch, two watches this week in the icon line that I think have, uh, reawakened my interest. So these are steel, stainless steel icons. There are two of them. One of them is a sort of murdered out black PVD, which is terrific. Comes on a black plastic strap. It's got, you know, great loom. But the other one, and this is the one that actually caught my eye, is a blue PVD icon. The whole thing is blue PVD. the sort of double claw markers on the bezel are polished. It does have polished elements, but it's also got significant brushed elements and that underneath the PVD just look fantastic. It's got that textured, like grid texture dial. This thing really sings, I think. And to me, it sings in a way that most of the icons haven't. Uh, they're calling this urban, which I think is slang for edgy.
Andrew Um, you know, it's an interesting, I think there's a language barrier there.
Everett Yeah. I'm not sure. You know, you know, Seiko's doing it's Seiko does a lot of urban stuff, which usually tends to be like either scuffed or PV black PVD. Um, I think this is sort of in that same, vein, but it's actually just rad. This is a rad watch and it's just an icon. It's a 39 millimeter icon. There, these are a little bit thick, 11 and a half, I believe, uh, or just, just 11 with flat Sapphire. Uh, but you get 200 meters of water resistance. You get a, uh, a Salida 200 dash one movement or Yeah, it's a 200-1. I think they call this the ML-115 or something, but it's just a Selita 200-1. Oh, it's bespoke made for them. You know, I think it does have a signed rotor, but it's a Selita. Yeah, these are pretty terrific, and they're coming in at 2,400 francs, which I think probably translates to just under $3,000. Uh, the blue PVD is a limited edition of 888 because that's a number that you do limited editions in. Um, I think this is terrific. I do sort of for this watch, I'm like, can we get a better movement? Like there's nothing wrong with the Salida, with the Salida 200, but at that price, I'd like them I do think this is an elaborate grade 200-1. It's like the best 200-1 you can get, but still like, can we get a better movement in here?
Andrew Since we're talking about this style of watch, this is a watch that I wasn't actually going to talk about since, but since we're on the topic, kind of, um, kind of in that PRX 70s world. And I think we're seeing some brands trying to capitalize on the popularity of the PRX family from tits out, um, really bringing that design to the forefront of not just watch people's, uh, mind, but of, um, just watch buyers minds. We have OLEC and, Wages? Wags? Wadge? No, Vages. They use the W's like V's. So Olek and Vage. The OW8001, super similar design cues. I think, I think I prefer it to the PRX. And I can't exactly tell you why. When I look at this, I have a more positive little gut feeling to the PRX line. It's a little big. I think if this came in a 35, because the PRX 35 is the hottest of fire. 39.5 millimeter case, 12.7 thick, 300 meters of water resistance, a double lacquered Havana Fume dial. with a SOPROD P092 COSC certified movement. And what's interesting about this COSC certification, it offers a chronifiable certification along with its COSC certification, which is something that I was unfamiliar with. So it's not just that it's COSC certified time accuracy, it's like another ISO layer of certification that tests the durability of said movement, maintaining costs or cost tolerances. So testing at variable wind amounts, variable environmental conditions, magnetism introduction, things like that. So like kind of the way a G-Shock is, is how this is my very lay person description of it. reading about this certification, it's a little bit pressure, not pressure, like actual water pressure tested, but, uh, torture testing of the, whether or not it remains true to its cost certifications. I don't know. I didn't do a whole lot of research into the, um, veracity of that. Right. And like, if anybody else is using it and, you know, I don't know if this is something that like ball is using when they're using their their cages to protect their movements or, but it's some, it's a vein, it's a rabbit hole that I'll be going down because it's certainly intriguing to be torture testing mechanical movements, whether or not they can maintain their cost integrity. Definitely intriguing. Now, the reason that I decided to talk about this is because it's a similar style. It's certainly very different, but these are coming in at, um, like 1800, 1800 Franks.
Everett So, you know, 2000 bucks.
Andrew Mm. I don't know much about the SOPROD P92, but a torture-tested COSC movement seems like, I mean, I can kind of get behind that.
Everett Yeah, you know, I looked at these when they came out last year and I thought, you know, for me, this watch is a lot more interesting than the Maurice Lacroix Icon. I think it's probably a better watch. It's got, you know, tons of water resistance. It's, I think, 300 meters on this. 300, yeah. You got a better movement. You know, I personally, this is subjective, but I really like the way, like, Olik and Woj branding efforts. I think their fonts and their logos are better. I will say there's, I don't love The way this watch looks though, I remember when these came out, I saw a top down. I was like, Ooh, that is sick. And then I saw a top down of the inspiration of this watch, which is a, which is way cool, which is a TV dial chronograph. That's fucking rad. But there's a problem. I think there's a problem with the, with the, the strap to watch head junction. The, the watch is actually pretty thick and they've given it like this brutalist slab side, but The bracelet is actually pretty thin and it looks comfortable, but because they want it to have that seamless sort of integrated look, the bracelet sits high. It creates a weird void. And there's a void there. So I don't know if that's actually a problem having not touched one of these or put one on my wrist, but I don't, at least from the photos, I don't love that.
Andrew What I can say is that Frank will hate it. Because of the dive extension on the clasp.
Everett Oh, yeah. He'll hate it. So, Andrew, I want to talk about a watch from a company called Citizen. It's a little watch company out of Japan. They're new, right? Last couple years? Yeah. Okay. So, Citizen has released its first ever mechanical GMT watch.
Andrew This is going to be my favorite release of the year, I think. So like, this is my bar.
Everett This thing is freaking rad. So there's actually two of them. One of them is a silver stainless steel case. You get some Nighthawk vibes. You've got a slide rule, but it's a mechanical automatic GMT. It does have that standard ProMaster sort of vibe to it and feel to it. The silver steel one has kind of like a grab gray bezel. It's a 24 hour bezel for the GMT hand, which makes sense. You've got a left hand crown to operate the slide rule. You've got a right hand crown for the rest of your functions. It's got a date, uh, red GMT hand, but that is not the one that gets me a slippery between my legs. So really the, There is a gray PVD version. It's very monochromatic, same exact functionality, black hands. This is not a watch that I would normally like. I do not like this type of tonality on a watch. I can't believe this is what's getting you wet. But this watch is, okay, so.
Andrew The steel, like the partial PVD is like, I'm probably gonna buy this this year.
Everett So the bracelet on this thing is fucking rad. It's a rad bracelet. It looks like a pro master, but I think it's going to be an extremely well, uh, this bracelet, it's got sort of like a, like a Bremont vibe to it. Maybe, um, this watch looks freaking rad. And with that gray PVD, like almost murdered out, it's not murdered out cause it's not black. It's like a monotone gray PVD, like sort of a, I think these are the, um,
Andrew The Nighthawk bracelets.
Everett No, I don't think it is. I think it's a different bracelet than the Nighthawk. Anyway, we just have to say, these things are huge. Yeah. 44 and a half millimeters.
Andrew Yeah, they big. Dude, this is the same bracelet. Oh, no. It's not. So this is a faux five link. It could actually be a true five link.
Everett I think it might be a true five link, but I don't know. I shouldn't say that. I think it looks to me like it might be a true five link.
Andrew I don't know, man. I think if you look at these, it could be a true five link, but look, just kind of, it's the same bracelet shape.
Everett It is the same bracelet shape. It may be a faux five link.
Andrew It looks like a real seam though. It could very well be a true five link.
Everett And either way, the Nighthawk bracelet is rad. So I'm pumped about these watches. Huge.
Andrew By the way, Nighthawks right now on Amazon, 255 bucks.
Everett This watch, not 200 and some dollars. This watch is, I believe, a thousand bucks, which is a lot of money.
Andrew They're 11.25 and 11.75, 11.75 for the full PVD. I might buy a Nighthawk.
Everett I imagine you could get, you'll be able to get these for a little bit less than that, which seems to be the case, but they're calling this the, what are they calling this? Mechanical GMT, is that right? No.
Andrew Citizen doesn't do a good job naming their watches. ProMaster. Yeah, the ProMaster Automatic GMT is probably what it's going to be called.
Everett The Mechanical GMT, Citizen ProMaster Mechanical GMT. The NB646-59E.
Andrew Yeah, that's right. These are terrific.
Everett Except for being huge, I think they're virtually perfect. You've got magnetic resistance. You've got a GMT. You've got 20 bars of water resistance.
Andrew But in the way of like the way Citizen Designs watches, this is a very on-brand tool watch for them. This is fitting in their aviator line of big, legible,
Everett tool watches. Yeah, that's true. And you know, the, the nice thing about this watch, you know, one of the things that I think has always turned me off about like the Nighthawk for instance, is you're just as likely to see someone who's like into watches wearing a Nighthawk as you are to see like some CPA who picked his up at Macy's one day back in the, you know, 2011s. Uh, You know, so this watch is gonna be special in a different way.
Andrew This is not a An impulse buy no because it's because of the price tag associated with it. I might buy a Nighthawk right now What's next Andrew 255 bucks Next up There's been a lot of interesting litigation around watches as of late We have the French Federal Trade Commission doing some monopoly stuff with Rolex. We have the Germans seizing the Governator for watches. And now we have some litigation around insurance claims. So a Dutch insurance company had to pay full secondary market price, sort of, to a consumer, a customer of this insurance company. So fella had his watch stolen, he had an Air King stolen, right? Yeah, a Sky-Dweller, not an Air King. Yeah, a Sky-Dweller. A Sky-Dweller stolen, filed a claim, they're like, hey, they're 14.3 brand new, sweet. He goes to the AD and they're like, Hey man, sorry. It's a three year wait for that price. But if you pay us a minimum, a minimum, a minimum three year wait, but if you pay us 20,000 today, you can leave with this one. 25,000 euro. Yeah.
Everett I'm not, I'm rough. Your details are lacking today, Andrew.
Andrew Oh my gosh. So Homie buys this double the retail value of the watch at his authorized dealer because that was what they could do. They had one in stock and they're willing to bump somebody on the wait list to double their income for the day. And he goes back, he buys it and he goes back and he files an additional claim with his insurance company to cover the Delta. And they laugh. as one should. They're like, no, you can buy this watch for 14,300 or whatever the amount was. And he goes to the, the, what's the name of it?
Everett It's also a silly name. It's some Dutch financial Institute.
Andrew You know, it's the better business Bureau who apparently has some like, uh, some teeth in,
Everett I think, yeah, I think actually they have sort of a bifurcated or a multilayered judiciary. But yeah, the Dutch Institute for Financial Disputes.
Andrew Yeah. So they go and they start investigating and they look at the terms of his insurance policy and they find that the language wasn't sufficient. And they also have a very, this is important to note, if there is any kind of question about the language, tie goes to the claimant. Like it goes to the consumer, which is cool. Uh, not necessarily, not usually the case in, in us law, uh, tie goes to the, to the person with a little bit deeper pockets. Um, right. I mean, tell me I'm wrong.
Everett No, you're a civil litigator. You're wrong. So there's a principle in, so the article I read about this, uh, is has done a good job about talking about the important facts. I think that they've missed some of the nuance that they're not talking about this in the way a lawyer would talk about this. But I think that idea that the tie goes to, in this case, the claimant or or perhaps, you know, the nonscrivener is the way we would refer to that in in the American legal system. And so, for instance, if One of my clients comes to me and says, hey, I'm going to sell a property to someone. There's this assumption, and I'm going to prepare the contract. If the other side doesn't have an attorney, there's this assumption that me as the scrivener and the seller as the party with the lawyer has to be right when we draft the language. And so lawyers will try to get around this, and I often put in non-scrivener clauses in contracts that I prepare, which is to say, I'm good, but I'm not that good. The parties have each had an opportunity to review this and meet with counsel as appropriate. And to that end, there's no scrivener to assume ambiguities against. But that is a thing. That's an actual principle that applies in our common law and even in statutory contexts sometimes, depending on what you're practicing. So that principle feels good to me. So basically they're saying there's an ambiguity specifically here. The ambiguity was around the word by. What does it mean to buy? And here they determined that means to buy now. There's an ambiguity about what it means to buy. And so we agree with the claimant. That means to buy now. And this is how much it costs to buy now. This is it's actually fascinating. It's a fun legal case. It's fun not just because it's watches but because law is awesome. But yeah.
Andrew It's fascinating to see case law occurring around the lack of availability of at market price Rolex.
Everett And this is the type of decision that will shape the way contracts are formed in, in, uh, probably internationally, right?
Andrew There's going to be, this is going to get referenced in this French case about the ability to sell online.
Everett And can I just say, uh, we've, I, I spoke highly of the Sky-Dweller recently in a recent episode. And since then I've had a handful of conversations with people about the Sky-Dweller, mostly people saying the Sky-Dweller sucks, Everett. I said something to the effect of this is low-key Rolex's most interesting watch. Everybody's got their reasons why it's not. Uh, our friends, Spence and Buzz talked about the Sky-Dweller on last week's Whiskey and Watches podcast. I talked to Spence afterwards. They kind of trashed it. Uh, I think the Sky-Dweller is really a very cool watch. I disagree that it's not attractive. I think it's incredibly attractive.
Andrew It's different than their lineup. I think that's what people don't like.
Everett And it's got the coolest movement that Rolex makes. Uh, but yeah, this was fun.
Andrew I'm glad you talked about this. This is a fun, it's a fun thing going on. It's really interesting to see something as trivial as Rolex supply issues becoming globally important case law.
Everett Andrew. Everett. How many watches can you think of that have a slide rule?
Andrew I don't know, four or five.
Everett Two. You can think of two. You got the Navitimer and you got the Nighthawk. Yeah, and all their iterations. So 20. Breitling introduced a watch this last week with a slide rule. Not Breitling.
Andrew Yeah. Boulder. You're wrong. Breitling didn't introduce anything this week.
Everett Boulder introduced a watch this last week with a slide rule. Uh, they're calling this the expedition enigmath, which I don't know what enigmath means, but I like it. It's one of those words that I'm like, you know what it is?
Andrew It's a joke. Nobody knows how to use a slide rule. So it's an enigma, but it can do math. It might be, honestly. They are for sure punking everyone right now.
Everett This is a really terrific watch. It's a dual crown as a slide rule watch should be. You've got a four o'clock crown for the time, I believe, and a two o'clock crown, both on the right side for the slide rule. You know, Boulder's this fantastic company that's just making terrific watch. This comes with a Miota 9039, which I'm on record as being a huge fan of. It's 41 millimeters, which I think is a perfect size for this watch. Big, 200 meters of water resistance. This is actually, short of being a dual time, this is like the micro brand Nighthawk, right? I really, really like this watch.
Andrew Go ahead. I had to burp. I don't like the strap options that they are providing with it. The padded, quilted canvas.
Everett Yeah. I'm, I'm probably with you on that. I actually wish this came on a, Boulder does such a good job with their bracelets. I wish this came on a bracelet, but.
Andrew Bracelet's the answer. And if we're not going to do that, like give me, give me like a, a tropic for this. Cause it has that like 60s, 70s feel that a tropic would be a perfect fit for. The canvas kind of seems like an afterthought.
Everett So this is a blasted finish. Um, it is a exhibition case back, which with the 90 39 was like, man, um, it comes in a, from what I can tell three colors, it's got like sort of an ombre blue, it's got an ombre drab and a black, which for me also ombre, like sort of gray to darker on the outside. Um, it's got that really sort of cutting, Brutalist style the boulders known for on the crowns really visible on the crowns It's got just a bit of a bump in between the two crowns the handsets interesting without being Obscene this is a terrific watch and I really love it I'm with you though Andrew this the strap choices leave a little something to be desired at least for me It's This feels a little bit like the Expedition, but it's also totally different. In effect, I think it's probably a similar, I think the case is probably a bit similar. It's the same size.
Andrew Boulder does such a good job with their design DNA. This is so clearly a Boulder. Yeah. And it's so different than everything they've done. but it's also so similar.
Everett Do you know, does the Expedition have that bump in between the crowns? I don't think the standard Expedition, I don't think it does. And this actually has that bump on both sides. It's a symmetrical bump. I think this watch is just terrific.
Andrew Yeah, this is great. This is one of my favorite releases from them.
Everett If we could get this thing on a bracelet, man.
Andrew $599, too. Yeah, $600, yeah. And it's available now. Yeah, they're, Boulder's doing some really cool shit.
Everett Yeah, company from Singapore. Really, really great company. We're big fans.
Andrew And they just keep churning it out. Like, low-key, they, yeah, they're just doing it.
Everett What's next, Andrew? I think we got time for one more each.
Andrew Uh, okay. Oh, gosh. Oh, this is hard. Okay, um, the new Fears Brunswick 40 topper edition series two. Fears can do no wrong in my book. Yeah. They are killing it. So the Brunswick 40 topper edition series two, I'm not really sure where there should be commas. Like this, it's a strange name. That's what we can start there if we're going to be critical. Um, it's a long name. So I think it's the Brunswick 40 topper edition series two. Yeah. I do feel like they need some punctuation to help, you know, simpletons like me. This is gorgeous. Tonneau case with a really, really interesting lug set, big fat pumpkin crown. Yeah, I'm going to say pumpkin. I'm comfortable with that. Onion? Pumpkin? Not real good angles. I think pumpkin's the right word. I mean, I think onion.
Everett I think it's an onion, Graham. But I hear you. Pumpkin is fine.
Andrew I like pumpkin for this. I smacked my mic. Don't care.
Everett So this is actually Fear's second collaboration with Topper. I know that they did one back in 2022. And it was it was a beautiful watch. I'm with you, you know, the Brunswick 40 is in Fier's regular catalog, but this is, it's got like, of course, a California dial topper being from the Berry in California. It's got fantastic details. I think this is, I mean, it feels like a different watch than the Brunswick 40.
Andrew The colorways that they've introduced are Fantastic. So first colorway, we have this really great, uh, kind of just splash a teal in the blue. A then, um, is that the, the all blue dial, the all blue and then winter, winter Lake is what they're calling it.
Everett And I think it's a really lovely color.
Andrew It's one of my favorite blues. We have a, uh, what are they calling the white snowed in?
Everett And I think this one's not good.
Andrew That's just me. On orange canvas. Uh, the one that is snowed in is the, is the green.
Everett That's the one I don't like. So there's the one with, it's like a green in the middle.
Andrew So whiteout is the white snowed in is, is the most interesting to me. And the one that I don't like, it is, um, like a reverse ombre green to white. It's,
Everett And the green is in that like, what do they call that, that printing medium that they used for like comics and newspapers, which was like a grid of colors. Oh, I don't know what you call that, but that's what it looks like to me. I'm not feeling it. It seems like too much for me.
Andrew It's, it's super interesting on brown leather. I don't, it's not a watch that I would ever wear, but the, it's, there, right? It's super cool. It's creative. It's an interesting collaborative choice. There's a Pacific, which is a similar blue to the one that is money, but it has a gold access that gold or yellow. We're going to go with gold, uh, gold borders on the markers and hands.
Everett That's definitely guilt.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. These are, this is a really, cool colorway release collaboration. The blue is the, uh, what are they calling the blue?
Everett Well, the dark, there's the dark blue, which is the winter Lake. That's the one I really like. And then that blue green is called with the guilt.
Andrew No, we don't. We don't like that. And we don't like the whiteout.
Everett I'm okay with the Pacific and I, yeah. Snowed in, not huge fan.
Andrew Not Snowden, not the name snowed. Like you're like the snow has prevented you from leaving.
Everett The whiteout is like a Polar Explorer vibe. Beautiful. Love it. And then, yeah, that Pacific, I think it's fine with the gilt. I don't hate it. But yeah, that Snowdin, I'm not feeling it.
Andrew Yeah, this is the Winter Lake is. It's good. Great finishing.
Everett Super crisp. It's fears, right?
Andrew Yeah, right. They can do no wrong. Yeah. Besides Snowdin. And we're going to blame that on Topper.
Everett Um, I got one more watch I want to talk about. This is a watch from a big brand, uh, a watch from Hamilton. Ooh. Uh, I'm wearing my Hamilton coupe tonight, AKA the Hamilton khaki pilot aviation.
Andrew That's such a, like, that you own that and the, the titanium G. You're a confusing man. I would, cause that's a normal watch for you and it's still a kind of a weird watch.
Everett Yeah. So I've got the, you know, the Hamilton coupe is a black dial. I've got the silver dial mostly because I had the opportunity to get this for a terrific price. It is, I think just a stunning watch. It's a little big. Um, it's got kind of a weird dial. It's, Uh, you know, it's an interesting watch, but I do, I was enamored by it enough to buy it. I purchased it. I love it. Um, Hamilton's releasing a new set of khaki aviation pilots, uh, and they're different. They're different. So there are a total of seven of these. There are four of these in a brand new 36 millimeter format. And Man, I gotta tell ya, I think that 36 millimeters is a really interesting size for these. Now, these all come with Powermatic movements. They're calling them H10s and H30s respectively for dates and no dates, or excuse me, no dates and date versions. We've talked about that movement a ton. I think it's a very good movement, and the 80 hours is really interesting. These are all coming with new X1 Superluminova. They have the same handset, but these have different dials. So the dial on the Coupe or the original Khaki Aviation Pilots is beautiful. It's got these raised polished Arabic numerals. It's a true and they're minute numerals. So that makes it interesting. You've got a 24 hour track. These new ones dispense with the numerals, the minute numerals at the corners, and you've got dashes at three, six, and nine, and a big triangle at 12. These are like a recessed X1 loom plot, and it looks really, really good. I don't know that I like it more or less than the original version. One thing I'm a little disappointed with is that they've taken away those big polished steel raised numerals in favor of a pad printed numeral. I think they kind of had to. Yeah. The dial is more interesting. The dial is more dynamic. Um, but I think it maybe takes away a little of the intrigue. You also get this vintage Hamilton logo above the Hamilton text. Um, Yeah, I'm having a hard time disliking these, especially in the 36. I'm like, yeah, that is fantastic. They also released two new 42 millimeter versions, which the original that I own is 42. It's a big, it's a big, bold watch. Heavy. Yeah, it's, yeah, on the bracelet in particular, it's pretty heavy. They've released two new 42 millimeter versions on, on straps. Uh, and they released, so there's an olive with brushed nickel hands, um, and then like, uh, another silver dial. Um, and then they've released a really lovely blue version on a bracelet. Hamilton oftentimes does this where it's like, if you want this version, you're stuck with the strap. If you want this version, you can get a bracelet.
Andrew I'm not a huge fan of that, but make them universal, man. Put everything on a bracelet. Let me choose like the, the only, yeah.
Everett And I don't know why they do that. There must be a good reason for a supply chain or something. But, um, yeah, these are pretty cool. And I think it's a really good update to a pretty good watch that is maybe low key. I think this watch is a little bit of a sleep because everybody that sees it is like, oh, that's really cool.
Andrew I wish they'd have kept the day date format the same.
Everett Yep, Andrew, you nailed it. I forgot to talk about that. This is no longer a day date. So the 36 millimeters are no date. The 42 millimeters are date only. You do not get that big, lovely 12 o'clock day of the week that you do on the old one. So that's a big difference.
Andrew No, you get a date. You get a day, but it's a, it's at the three o'clock. Oh, you don't get the 12 o'clock banner full day written out. Yeah. Like a kind of style almost. Yeah. It, from its onset, it was a strange design thing and then kind of just became this thing that's super attractive and kind of weird, right? It's this weird, like,
Everett It's a sleeper watch, man, because you never hear anybody talking about it. Like it's not making any lists. No, it's not the top of anybody's, but I love it. It's one of my, I mean, I've got probably three or four watches that I'm wearing a lot. And then I've got this next level of watches, which is maybe five or six. And this is one of the most worn watches in that second tier for me, because it's such a quality watch.
Andrew I can get down with one of these 36s.
Everett Yeah. And, and I'm, I'm going to just say, this is the watch that kind of changed my mind about wearing bigger watches. I am more so than I have been in a quite a while, sort of leaning into give me a little bit bigger watch. That's why that, that citizen, I'm like, yeah, I might be able to wear that.
Andrew A thousand bucks for both of these. Yeah. Which isn't cheap. No, but it's the right price for this watch. Yeah. And, and you're, you're getting all the brand heritage. You're getting, you're getting, these are a really good value proposition when you're, when you're considering what, what Hamilton is producing. You know, the. Cause that's what a 20 year old watch.
Everett This? Yeah. No, it's not that old. I want to say this is maybe 10 years old. Oh. Yeah. Oh, you mean the design of the watch? No, the watch, that what you have.
Andrew I think this is 10 years old. You did have an, uh, a pin. Loose, that's what I was doing over here. I was... Oh, you were fixing my loose pin? Yeah. Thank you for that. And then on the other side, there's like a pin that seems to be the wrong length.
Everett Right. It's like recessed on both sides.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Yeah. I was looking to see if it was even in there. Pin and collar construction on mine, I don't know if that's still the case with the new ones.
Andrew Let's see if there's a profile picture of any of these bracelets.
Everett Andrew, I think we've done it. Anything else that you feel like you got to talk about before we move on?
Andrew No, I never have anything of value to contribute.
Everett Well, then I will go ahead and give it to you for your other thing for the week.
Andrew Other things. What do you got? I have another thing for the week. So something that I've, I like, I like to bake bread. Um, and I don't use a bread maker. Um, I like fresh bread. Yeah. Bread bakers are dumb. No, they're not. Um, but they're super convenient. I totally see the value. I just, I have a lot of, um, countertop appliances that get a lot of regular use and it's hard for me to justify adding a new one. Like I don't have an air fryer because it's hard for me to justify adding a new thing to my counter. I know that I should have an air fryer, but I also know that I don't want more shit on my counter. Um, so every time I make bread, I'm like, Oh man, I really want like I, and I go buy sourdough bread always. And the other day I was making bread and I was like, I'm going to make a sourdough starter. Sourdough starters have always been something that I've been kind of intimidated by because you look them up on the internet and there's all, there's thousands of articles. You go to the, like you go to look to buy one. You're like, you can buy this thousand year old Welsh sourdough starter. You can buy this King Arthur, several hundred year old bitch. It's like, man, what's going on? And you look at San Francisco sourdough and it's always like, oh, this, you know, we have the mother dough starter. And it's just, it's kind of daunting.
Everett Very daunting. Reading about starting a sourdough starter is intimidating in a way that it should not be.
Andrew It makes you not do it, right? So for the better part of a decade, I have been aware of it and just not doing it because I've not been willing to tackle the task. A week ago today, I was making bread and I said, fuck it. And I read probably a hundred or so articles and recipes. It came down to just fucking do it. Just do it.
Everett Just do it. As a guy who maintained a sourdough starter for two years once, just do it. It's way easier than you think.
Andrew And it's going. I am one weekend and I have a bubbly, sour, funky starter on my counter. I haven't done anything with the discard cause it like it rolled into one of the weirdest weeks of work I've ever had. Uh, but starting this weekend I'm going to be doing some discard stuff and I am in the zone that I will be in the sourdough realm. It's not a thousand years old, but I started it. I made it. It's my baby. And I, for those of you who have been intimidated by it, just do it. So that's my thing. I'm going to link a, a recipe. It's from King Arthur baking. It's not the one that I used. I don't even know the one that I used, but here was what it was. Half cup flour, third to quarter cup water, mix it up. let it double in size, scoop half of it out into the trash, half cup flour, third to a quarter cup water. Just get it. That's how you do a starter. Not, not full slurry, just a little thicker than a slurry. Yep. Just gooey like a GAC. Get it? The consistency of GAC, maybe a little wetter. A wet GAC. Yeah.
Everett So have you, have you made any decisions? So I did sourdough for, for about two years and I was doing it twice a week. And I tried a lot of different stuff. Have you thought about a recipe?
Andrew For what to make with it?
Everett No, your bread recipe.
Andrew Like for what? Like a bread recipe for it?
Everett Yeah. So the question I'm getting to here is there's a divide in the sourdough community of people who use a tablespoon of starter and create a leaven from that versus the people who use the discard as their leaven.
Andrew Yeah, the discard is going to be my leaven.
Everett Yeah, I will tell you that is my preference and the reason it's my preference. Because I'm lazy. No, it's because you get a funkier bread when you use the leaven. So if you make a leaven with a tablespoon of your starter, you get this really fresh, clean sourdough. If you use the leaven, it's oftentimes going to be a little slower. Yeah. You got to let it. Your bulk, your bulk rise is going to take a little bit longer, but you get this funkier, more acidic, slightly less active dough. That's my preference. You just get a much more, I think, pleasant tasting bread, more sour dough bread.
Andrew I'm going to get some citric acid, AKA sour salt. And don't mess with that too much, at least at first. I'm going to use just a little bit of it in lieu of salt, like maybe a 50 50 combination in the dough recipes just to add a little bit, like get that tartness. Cause I don't expect with a really young starter, I'm going to get the tartness.
Everett You know, so that's another thing that gets messed up when people talk about this. So anybody that says get a starter from San Francisco is a fool because within like 72 hours of taking, you could go to San Francisco, go to Tartine or go to Bowdoins or whatever, get a starter from there, take it home. And it's like 72 hours later that native yeasts will have completely populated and eliminated those Welsh or San Francisco yeasts. It's a really quick process because the yeasts are, it's a colony and the colony takes from the environment. So it's almost immediate that you're going to not have that. So it doesn't make any.
Andrew I've done, I've done beer side by side though with yeast, like from.
Everett That's different. That's different because your sourdough starter is, is a living, is a, is a colony that's living and re populating itself on a regular basis constantly. And so it's just a matter of time. When you get yeast and put it into beer, you're not, it's not adding to itself. You're taking that yeast and putting it directly into the product.
Andrew Cause I've done side by side with the same yeast that was that pre, that came from a different beer against brand new out the package yeast. And it, it produced similar like cousin beers. That's a different situation though, right? Yeah, because one has been used and I'm reactivating versus an actively living colony. But point of this other thing, it is not as intimidating as it seems. And it smells great. I know that this is going to yield good results just because of the odor of the starter.
Everett Andrew, in this last week slash week and a half, I have acquired, purchased four weeks of other things. And I'm going to start today with a big one. And I'm excited about it. But I'm just letting you know, I did some stuff in the last three weeks. I bought some stuff. I'm excited about all of it. It was that week at home. It was the week at home. So I am excited for these next few weeks. But today I'm going to start. I bought a thing. So I have been a person who has wet shaved for years. I own three vintage Gillette razors. I at one point had a Mercure razor.
Andrew You were even courteous enough to remove the blade.
Everett I was. I was. In fact, I was in the army for years and years and years. 2020, I came out of the army. At the same time, the whole world lost its mind and everybody grew a beard. So it's been about, there was like a two and a half year period there where I didn't shave all that often and rocked a beard. Um, I have since gone back to shaving several times a week. Some of your face. Um, yeah, that's right. Uh, I have added a, I have added a lip worm. Um, but this last week I, or, you know, about a week and a half ago I decided, you know what, I want a French tickler. I want a new razor. I've got these old Gillette's. I'm really happy with them. They're beautiful, but I kind of want to buy like a new razor.
Andrew What's 2024 have to offer, right?
Everett Instead of 1950. That's right. And so I started, you know, hunkering down, reading the forums, um, looking at videos and I wasn't planning to buy a hot, like a super high end razor. I was planning to buy sort of a like good, well-made modern razor, and I kept coming back to this razor made by a company called Blackland. Blackland released a few years ago a razor called the Blackbird, which instantly garnered a lot of praise, but there were some criticisms. The criticism was because of the weight, a fully machined stainless steel razor, it tended to be pretty aggressive. I want that. Last year, Blackland released basically the same exact razor, but in titanium, which reduces the weight by a ton. Uh, I think like 90, 90, uh, grams to 40 grams or 44 grams. So I purchased a Blackland Blackbird titanium razor. This is a, a satin finish or like a sort of a blasted finish. It's super expensive. Well, it's not, right? We're watching people, but for a razor, this thing costs an arm and a leg.
Andrew Just to reference how expensive, I'll link it in the notes. He whispered the name of it to me outside his house and said, don't talk about it. And I looked it up, immediately understood why.
Everett It's a big purchase. I didn't really intend to spend this much money on a razor, but, uh, I did and I got it and I've shaved with it. And I gotta say, as I got, like I said, I've used these old Gillette's for years. They've served me very, very well. One of them I picked up for like six bucks. It's a Gillette tech. It's fantastic. I love it. Uh, this is a lot more money than that. Um, is it, is it, 20 times as good as that? I don't know, probably not. 50 times? How much is that?
Andrew A lot of times. The one thing that I do like that I have always kind of not liked about, because I have a 1950s open comb Gillette, the handle is so short.
Everett This is the long This is the long handle version of this. So I got the long handle with the safety bar as opposed to the open comb.
Andrew And it's a full inch longer than the handle on the razor that I easily, yeah, maybe an inch and hyfe. Uh, that's always been my complaint. I just want like a half an inch would be good. An inch and a half would be much better. Uh, that it does not convince me to, to spend that kind of money on it.
Everett Um, you know, there are a lot of razors that have come out in the last five years. that would do the things you're talking about that don't cost 320 bucks.
Andrew No, but I already have one that does the job really well. Me too. And I like it. I just like buying shit, Andrew. No, I know. I get that. But I want to buy some other things before one of those could get out of this table.
Everett So anyway, I bought a new razor and I guess I have to report that I love it.
Andrew Why do you choose straight bar over an open comb?
Everett I chose the straight bar because I read about it and the vast majority of people that had used both preferred this based on the performance. And so I just went with the, I went with the popular opinion on the safety bar versus the open comb.
Andrew I've done a couple safety bars. I don't know what happened to them. Um, I didn't dig them. I, I liked the open comb.
Everett You know, the difference like the open comb, the difference between this razor and any sort of vintage Gillette is that the manufacturer has engineered the blade gap. So I think you'll find this is a more aggressive razor even with the safety bar than your open comb Gillette. But the angles. So they really work on blade gap and angles. And this is engineered to a T. And so the first thing I noticed when I started shaving was like, there's no like, there's no awkwardness. You put it to your face and you can feel like, oh, that's where I'm supposed to be. And the angles that everything's at is just incredible.
Andrew You don't have to learn it. You don't have to learn it. Because that's one of the hard parts about transitioning to vintage razors is you've got to learn the angle of each head.
Everett And sure, there's gonna be some learning curve to this, but because of the way it's positioned, you put it on your face and it's very obvious. It's like, oh, there I am. I noticed with my chin, I'm gonna need to work on my chin a little bit because that more exposed, bigger blade angle gave me some discomfort. But I think over time, that's gonna be fine. But on the cheeks, it was just like...
Andrew I found that with a straight razor because I tried that for some time. I could get really good, precise on the flat surfaces of my face, but working my upper lip and my chin and my jawline, I just could never get the angles right. But it was a great shave on the flat surfaces. Yeah, that's right.
Everett Yeah, straight razors are hard. Well, there you have it. We did it once again. Andrew, anything you want to add before we go? We're just experts. We are experts at everything, pretty much.
Andrew The intersection of odd hobbies that coalesce with watches is vast.
Everett I got some intersections these next few weeks.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett I got a new bag. I'm going to bring some heat these next few weeks. You got your mystery wrench bag.
Andrew I got my mystery wrench bag. Yeah, it's very good. I might end up talking. It might be my other thing next week because I have nothing bad to say. Nothing.
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