A Good Swatch Fifty Fathoms... At Last (273)

Published on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 22:13:07 -0800

Synopsis

The podcast hosts, Andrew and Everett, discuss various watch-related topics and news. They talk about the implications of traveling with multiple watches and the customs issues faced by Arnold Schwarzenegger. They also cover new watch releases from brands like RZE, Dan Henry, Timex, Yema, and Citizen. The hosts share their thoughts on the new watches, including their design, features, and pricing. Additionally, they discuss the movie "Killers of the Flower Moon" directed by Martin Scorsese.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett I'm well, I'm thawing. You're thawed out? I'm thawed, yeah, perhaps all the way. Uh, no, oh, Black Cherry Claw, ain't no lie. I'm doing I'm doing well. Yeah, we had a I think a storm that reached the level of national news this week.
Andrew Yeah. In fairness, everyone is experiencing some level of a winter storm. Ours is just a little bit more novel for our region. Yeah.
Everett Yeah, that's right. Well, and I think the way ours hit feels kind of crazy. I would say this is a, you know, once a decade, perhaps even, I don't know what a generation is, but this is a sort of once in a generation. Yeah. Uh, on Friday evening, we got hit by a combination of, uh, low cold temperatures. So surface level, cold temperatures combined with warm, temperatures above that, meaning water, rain was coming down and hitting a 21, 22 degree surface and freezing. Some of that was pelletized, grapple type of stuff.
Andrew We actually got super lucky. We had a thinner warm air band above us. So the snow fell, melted, and then had time to refreeze before it hit the earth. So we, we got sleet though weather models were suggesting it was snow. Um, and it wasn't quite grapple. We got a lot, a lot of sleet and just five miles east of us was getting straight freezing rain. Yeah. We got super lucky.
Everett And so that, that came down, we got, I don't know, I, The reports vary. People are saying four inches, which just wasn't true. But we got, you know, anywhere from three quarters of an inch to an inch and a half of this sleet material, this sort of re-frozen wet snow hail material that was hitting the ground with enough moisture that it was adhering to itself. So when you looked outside, it looked like snow. Kids treated it like snow. That's right. The kids treat it like snow, but it wound up actually being a thick layer of ice. Basically from the moment it fell that continued. Well, that continued for 15 hours or so. And then we got hit a little bit later on Tuesday with some more, but here we are Wednesday evening and we've got significant thawing. There's still, accumulations in places. Um, Andrew occupationally knows that we've got some issue with drainage. We've got a number of unresolved issues, especially in places that got hit harder.
Andrew Um, I think some like 30,000 people without power and water.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. The, the amount of people without power and water is huge. We've got, I don't know the number, but thousands of downed trees. Thousands. Yeah. many of them impacting homes and power lines and cars. Um, yeah, so it's been crazy.
Andrew Bit of a mess this weekend into the midweek.
Everett We, I say we, because we live across the street from one another, uh, we're incredibly fortunate that we didn't lose power. We didn't lose water. Well, Andrew lost water, but that's a different story. We didn't lose gas. We lost no internet. So no, We've essentially just been quarantined. Just cold. Cold. Um, but not in the houses, totally comfortable in the houses, watching TV, um, playing video games, uh, for, it was just basically a long weekend where you were forced to stay in your house most of the time.
Andrew But, but the kids were outside. That was the best kind of weekend. The kids are outside playing on this like sheet of ice. And you said yesterday that a divine Zamboni and it really yesterday afternoon, When the like when we're getting our freezing rain event and it's still super cold and we're getting not a ton of rain, but enough to really add some weight. The road looked pristine. It looked like a fresh Zamboni run over it. It was nuts and it was just slick. And the kids are out there sledding on this sheet of ice.
Everett You got to throw up finger quotes when you say sledding because I don't think there were any actual sleds. But yeah, just. They were having more fun than they would have with snow. Slamming themselves on Tupperware lids, Rubbermaid lids and sliding across the ground. Yeah. No, it was a weird, it was a weird event. Like I said, we were insulated from a lot of the, we still have a lot of people that are in pretty dire straits here. Um, we were pretty fortunate. In fact, I would say, amongst the people in Eugene, we were probably top 20%, 30% in terms of how lucky we got with power and everything.
Andrew I think. Yeah. Cause we're in the flats. Like I, I drove on Saturday without an issue. We get to the grocery store. Yeah.
Everett I think something like 50% of Eugene residents had some loss of something. Mm. throughout and we didn't have any of that, which is really, which is really nice. Uh, it was actually not a painful thing, but I can imagine even just an hour of, you know, loss would have been annoying. My associate, one of my associates came in, we opened the office today. None of the staff came in, but the attorneys, the attorneys all came in and one of my associates had, um, not had power for, four days. So for essentially the entirety of the event, and, um, she had had hot water, but because, because gas, but hadn't had an end head out of, I think she has a fireplace. So some warmth in the house, but no power for four days, which is brutal.
Andrew It's brutal. One of my coworkers has been out since Saturday. She is stuck on her property because her, she has a long driveway and some acreage. Two big trees have fallen across her driveway and she doesn't have sufficient. Arborist tools to get through these trees, uh, has been without power.
Everett You need like a 40 inch bar or something to even consider tack on a mid-sized tree. Yeah.
Andrew So no power. She got her pump house, Jerry rigged to get water back on. So they were two days without water, no power. All they have is heat, like charging their phones in their car.
Everett And there's just a ton of people in that situation. So it's, it's been a little crazy, but here we are, we've made it. We're recording. Virtually unscathed.
Andrew Yeah. Using all of the lights on our recording board. I've been turning lights on for no reason just to celebrate having electricity. In fact, I wasted, I don't know, several, probably, you know, over a thousand gallons of water this morning because my backflow preventer burst in the cold weather. It's my two years in a row now, my backflow has had an issue. Last year, a cross threaded valve cap blew out and this year the whole housing blew up. So I didn't learn last year. Maybe next year I'll wrap it when it gets cold, but probably not.
Everett Yeah. You know, probably, uh, uh, I, I've, I never do any of that winterization stuff and I'm probably, um, needing the knock on wood right now because I've been incredibly fortunate. Uh, but yeah, I'm going to grow, I'm a grown up. I'm a 40 year old man. I probably need to start doing that stuff.
Andrew Every time I watch the neighbors like styrofoam capping their faucets, I'm like, Oh, I should do that. And I don't. And I paid for it this year and last year and I still am not changing my behavior.
Everett Well, in any event, we're not here to talk about backflow preventers or, freezing weather events. Rather, we're here to talk about watches because it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter what's happening in the weather in Lane County or any other county in the United States. Watch, watches keep happening.
Andrew And the weather outside is weather. So let's worry about watches.
Everett Let's worry about watches. We are here to talk about some new things that have come up. I'd like to start with a story about the Terminators.
Andrew The Governator, yeah.
Everett The Governator apparently arriving in Munich. Arnold Schwarzenegger wearing an Atom RPK on his wrist, but also carrying an auction item worth many, many, many dollars. Arnold Schwarzenegger was stopped going through customs in Munich and I think eventually released many, many hours later.
Andrew Not really released, kind of out on bail.
Everett Yeah. Forced to pay a pretty hefty, uh, a pretty hefty tax fine. Maybe not a fine, but taxes.
Andrew 35,000 euros?
Everett On a watch that's going to be auctioned. Uh, yeah, that's fun.
Andrew Yeah. So I, I read an article about this either last year or the year before, um, because a writer for one of the big outlets went to Baselworld uh, and was staying across the border. So it was just because I don't, I'm not really familiar with the geography of it, but basically the way it was written as he was staying in a neighboring European union country and walking across the border to Basel world or like to a taxi to Basel world or something sort of doesn't matter. Um, but he ran into a similar issue and I was like, Oh, that's interesting. I would have never thought about the, um, implications of traveling with, multiple watches to a watch meetup because I don't, I wouldn't haven't probably won't ever travel internationally for watch stuff. But either way, he's crossing a border and they like look in his bag and they're like, Hey dude, you got it. Um, what's up? Like those are mine and I'm not going to sell them.
Everett You're wrong. We'll link it in the show notes. So the articles by Mike Stockton, uh, Michael Stockton of Fratello, And in 2019, Mr. Stockton was attending Baselworld, got stopped. We'll link the article in the show notes because it's actually pretty interesting. It does seem like the Swiss authorities were targeting Baselworld attendees, which is interesting in and of itself. This seems like a targeting of Arnold too. Yeah. You know, that was the first thing that jumped into my head was maybe there was a tip or something here because The way the article reads is that he was, they recognized him going through customs and pulled him aside for a random bag check. It doesn't seem like, I mean, I get it sort of be fair and maybe the number comes up randomly, but that doesn't sound to me, at least the way the article was written, like what happened. And so I wonder if they had a tip or something like, Hey, Arnold's carrying a priceless watch that's set for our auction. Uh, go get them.
Andrew I think it was publicized that he was traveling there for this purpose.
Everett So it could be the kind of thing that's not going to affect you on a day-to-day basis. But the point remains, if you're traveling with excess watches. Now, one of the things I understand about this, Andrew, is that traveling with your watch, no matter what the watch, isn't going to get you. So you can have a million dollar look one or whatever, right? Uh, that's not going to get you stopped. It's traveling with the extra watches that could cause problems. And I suspect that could cause problems whether you're carrying a handful of $500 watches or a handful of $25,000 watches. I don't, I don't know the answer to this.
Andrew When you think about customs, I mean, notice had that issue a couple of years ago where all their end links got snatched up by customs because they were counterfeits. Like no motherfucker, those are our end links. We designed them. We bought them. They are being sent to us. What counterfeiting is happening? Customs is kind of weird. Um, but at the same time they, it's interesting because they see some like 11 billion, not that many, but like, I think the figure is millions of dollars of counterfeit watches every year. So it's kind of, I don't know, there's it's, It's something to be cognizant of if you're traveling internationally with watches. Because it could look like commerce.
Everett And you know, obviously Arnold Schwarzenegger, I don't think even a $30,000 tax bill, I don't think is really going to make a meaningful dent in his net worth.
Andrew It'd make a meaningful dent in mine though. That's right. I mean, if you're, if you're someone who, cause they only valued this one of a kind watch at 26,000 euros.
Everett Yeah, that's right. And it's, it's certainly worth more than that. But you know me, if, if they say, Hey, you need to pay $500 in taxes, that's going to hurt. Especially if I'm like on my way to Germany for a holiday, that $500 is money that I've, allocated at that point. I've budgeted. So it's not going to break me, but it might change my vacation. So, you know, something to, something to think about, unless you are, you know, really, really flush, maybe consider, maybe consider the extra watches at home. I don't know. Put them in your check bag. Who am I to say? Yeah, that's right. Or whatever. But yeah, I thought, well, That's interesting. And it's a, that's a real life, you know, if it can happen to the governor, it can happen to you too.
Andrew It seems like a shakedown though. Any of that seems like a shakedown. Oh, Hey, I have, I'm wearing a watch and I have two more in my bag. No, you need to declare those and, and pay taxes on them just for owning them.
Everett Well, we, we probably shouldn't get into it, but I think a lot of folks feel like taxes period are a shakedown. So they are a shakedown.
Andrew Maybe we move on. Income taxes are illegal. Christ. I've worked for the government all my life. Uh, I want to talk about something. Uh, it's a brand that I am familiar with. I see all the time and I haven't, I, I think given them the, the attention that they deserve in the way of RZE.
Everett RZE, you're the owner of an RZE watch, aren't you? Am I? Am I just making this up?
Andrew Not RZ, it's Relio.
Everett Relios? Oh, sure. I got that confused.
Andrew Similar but different. So the RZE Resolute line kind of fits in that world of like your EDC, sporty, kind of unique case shape. Some fun colors like this is kind of a staple in the EDC dude world in the way of a titanium case, some cool colors. It's it's sporty. It's it's kind of different. It looks techie. I sort of dig these. They come in a lot of colorways, but they have reintroduced two colorways that were previously discontinued, no longer in production, take your pick of how you're going to do it. There's two colorways that are back and one new colorway. The colorways that are back are a gray and I think they're calling it jade, jade green. It doesn't matter.
Everett Well, that's gotta be the, the green is the jade, right? Yeah. So there's a gray or green.
Andrew And the new color is the desert tan, which is this cool sunburst from a very tan to like a dark kind of coyote, like F.D.E. brown.
Everett Arctic gray and urban teal.
Andrew Oh, urban teal. Now, what caught my eye was not the tan. I'm kind of medium. Tans pretty mid. I'm trying to be cooler. This gray. Is. Dope. I love it very like it's that same sunburst style. A light gray transitioning to this very dark, almost slatey, sort of a onyx-y. Yeah, this is, this is money. This case shape is good and all in titanium, available in a titanium bracelet, all for $530. 40mm case diameter, 10.5 thick, flat sapphire, Grade two titanium. As we've said before, I'm not super familiar with the grading of titanium. I sort of think titanium's titanium's titanium, but whatever.
Everett I think these are coated titanium too with like a, uh, uh, like a super hard, uh, ultra hex hard coating, uh, probably similar to whatever Trask is using, but about 1200, um, Whatever that unit is.
Andrew Yeah, the hardness value unit.
Everett Is that Rockwell? Am I making that up?
Andrew You are making that up. Miota 90S5 movement. 100 meters of water resistance, so it's not maxing it out. If they could just just get 10 more out of that thing. This is good. No date window on it. I like these. These I'm in. I'm intrigued by these.
Everett Yeah, you know, these are, they're cool watches. I think RZ is a fun company, the Swiss company. The question I have about these is, has to do with the options. These are seemingly available in a bunch of different options. And with the introduction of the Resolute Pro 2, I sort of wonder, like, where does this, where does everything fit in this collection? You've got the Resolute, the Resolute Pro, which I think is like an applied, there's probably some other stuff. You've got enamel dials, you've got 369, you've got stick markers. And so I sort of, I wonder like, why is there so much variety in a relatively limit, you know, a relatively sort of consistently featured watch. I do know that these are, uh, available on a bracelet, which is H link. It actually looks like a pretty decent H link bracelet. Um, yeah, these are cool, man.
Andrew What's, I'm not sure the difference between the resolute and the resolute pro, you know, you'd have to talk to someone more familiar than I am.
Everett I know the resolute pro has, uh,
Andrew It looks like just enamel dials.
Everett An enamel dial and an applied logos. And a hundred bucks. That's right. And I don't know if there's more to it than just that. Yeah, but they're great looking watches. I agree with your assessment. These are sort of like techie, EDC, modern looking watches. You know, I can think of other brands similar to that aesthetic, but I think Arzee is doing a really Great job of that.
Andrew They're, yeah, they're doing an interesting thing. I like the loom.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. It's a good loom. Can we talk about Dan Henry? I think we need to talk about Dan Henry. So Dan Henry, a watch that we've talked about on the show a number of times, you know, uh, we've talked about getting Dan on the show. This has been several years ago and he's a little bit, he doesn't like me.
Andrew He was pretty cool with Everett, but he said, I will not be on a show with Andrew.
Everett I don't blame you. Simply not true. I think Dan's just a bit of a shy guy and not shy guy, but similar to that, though he might be, I think, just a little bit shy and just kind of doing his thing. Well, the one. So I've always thought Dan Henry watches were really interesting. Um, but there's something about him. I was like, that changed when the 1972 came out, which is an homage to one of my favorite watches of all time, the Porsche or Fina, um, the Porsche one or Fina chronograph watch. And that 1972 sort of was on the nose, um, of that, of that watch. Right. And I thought, well, this is really terrific and I'd like to have it. It's got a pretty interesting movement. The watch upon release had a quartz chronograph with an alarm function, which is really freaking cool. The material was great, the build was great, the dial was great. And this is pretty early on in our history, in the 40 and 20 history. I ultimately parted ways with that watch because I got a pretty good offer for it. Got rid of it. Uh, with that said, I think the alarm made it kind of weird. Nah, I thought the alarm was the best thing about that. With that said, uh, it's still to this day, my favorite. I also went with the silver version of that, and I think I may have hung on to the black PVD version. Uh, but Dan's come out with a new model. So they released the black chronograph, re-released the black chronograph at some point, sans, alarm function i don't think they sold out of all the original silvers because you can still get those with the alarm they've just now re-released these with a time only uh complication or a time only movement so very similar watch looks the same same case size i bet the cases were virtually identical screw down crown 100 meters a really uncluttered beautiful dial and a 12-hour dual-time bezel on a 10 o'clock secondary crown. Yeah, an internal rotating bezel. Is that what I said? I think I said something weird. You did, which is why I clarified. I appreciate you clarifying. That seemed like a reasonable clarification. Yeah, so an internal rotating 12-hour bezel, dual-time bezel on a 10 o'clock crown. These are pretty fun.
Andrew They are. I would really like that. So, so the, the black PVD, there are 41 millimeter cases.
Everett Um, yeah, I guess I assume that you knew what a 1972 case is like 12, nine thick.
Andrew Um, I would, I think I would prefer that black PVD with the blue hand instead of the red hand.
Everett Yeah. Well, that was my thing too. I wanted the blue over the red, but you don't get choices.
Andrew No, you get silver with blue, black with red.
Everett Yeah. And I think that's a mistake. Um, but that's, that's not my choice. Creates a logistics kind of pain in the dick. I think that's possible. Yeah. You know, the thing about these watches when, when I got mine, what I was so impressed, the bracelet on these is really terrific. Um, it was light, but felt well constructed and solid even while being light. Um, I'm going to criticize this watch. Oh, because I think it's terrific and it's got a Miyota 8200, a Miyota 8 movement in it which for me is a no-go. It's a little clunky, it makes too much noise, it's not very good and it's kind of thick. This is a 13 millimeter watch that should at 100 meters this should be 11. It's 360 bucks. I know. I know. I know. But Dan, give me a $500 watch that's better. I'm fine with a $360 watch, but give me a $500 watch that's better. But you're not going to get a 9 series in a $350 watch. You're going to get a 9 series in a $500 watch.
Andrew Yes. I mean, you should. Yeah. We're talking about a lot of money.
Everett We're talking about the difference between probably 22 bucks and maybe 70 bucks a movement. So, and that's a wholesale, right?
Andrew But he's not, I mean, he's not making that many watches.
Everett I don't know how many of these they made. He makes a bunch. I think that's his deal. I'm going to make a shitload of these. Uh, you know, they do still have, I mean, he still has the alarm. Dan Henry is one of these people who just has a ton of money and is making the watches he wants. Making really affordable watches. I think a ton of people have cut their collecting teeth with Dan Henry watches, especially as he sort of dips his toes into automatics. I think that's, for me, really when his business came alive.
Andrew Quick release spring bars on the bracelet. Yeah. The detail in the F14 Tomcat on the case back is phenomenal. That's crazy detail in there.
Everett Yeah, and I think these three-dimensional case backs, something that's been in the micro brand world for seven or eight years now. And that's not a terribly expensive thing to do, but it's a nice touch. And I think Dan does a lot of that. So yeah, this is a really cool watch. I wish it had a better movement. It'd be more expensive.
Andrew It would be more expensive. You're right. I just, I super appreciate the accessibility that Dan Henry provides in watches that are either non-existent, or if they do exist, you're only getting them vintage or they're going to cost your entire left leg to be able to buy the modern iteration. The accessibility to familiar iconic designs is awesome.
Everett Well, and that's something to be said for this watch. Whereas the 1972 was very easy to spot for what it was. I don't think that this watch exists. I know that Orfina did some time only watches with a similar aesthetic to this. Um, but this is really, this is not something that exists in the world. This watch, uh, is certainly in this size. I mean, this is, uh, an inspired watch clearly. And you can look at the case and the bracelet to know what inspired it, but immediately, yeah, this is an Orfina. This is really something of its own. Yeah.
Andrew Is this his first foray into that kind of design? I keep trying to think of looking at the rest of his collection.
Everett Well, I don't think he's done anything quite like this before. Yeah, you know, and that's maybe one of the things I like about these Dan Henry releases is he always seems like he's doing something, you know, that chronograph alarm. Obviously that's a pretty simple thing. You get the movement, you do it, but it just seems like he's being creative in like a really innocuous, like almost latent or or or sneaky way, which I think is a ton of fun. We haven't talked about Dan Henry in a while, so I'm glad I'm glad to have an opportunity to talk about it, especially with this watch. This to me is really the crown jewel of the Dan Henry collection. And I'm glad they did this. Thanks, Dan. Thanks, Dan. What's next?
Andrew Surprise. Blank pun. and Swatch have dropped a seventh Fifty Fathoms collaboration. Now, how can there be seven? Because there are six oceans. So the the final release is in all black variation inspired by the ocean on the moon. Why can't I think of it? The ocean of storms. Because it's the name of the watch. You dumb shit. Oh boy, the ocean of storms. This is awesome. It is an all black 50 fathoms with the bio ceramic kind of a like a nicely bright and sheeny bezel. I learned about fathoms today. Not like I went, I'm familiar with fathom as a depth measurement. I went a little bit down the rabbit hole of the entomology of fathom and the different usages of it. The thing that I struggle with is I don't understand how you could have a what is supposed to be measuring tool that is inconsistent from one person to the next. And we can make all the jokes we want about like our inability to assess what six inches is really like. But if you're trying to measure depth When you're thinking about the belly of a ship, whether or not it's going to run a ground and you're using my arm span to measure fathoms versus Dirk's arm span to measure fathoms. We're running a ground man. That's a really deeply flawed measuring system. It's about six feet based on how tall you are. Oh, okay. Um, entomology of it was really interesting. Uh, just go ahead and take a, Take a little bit of a dive down the rabbit hole and enjoy that with me.
Everett Um, did you say entomology? Cause that's different than etymology. I'm just throwing it out there. Is that like the soybean things? That's right. It's soybeans. Don't listen to us. If you're still listening, thank you, but stop, please.
Andrew Uh, I super like this. I, what I, um, what I really liked about the, uh, the first releases of these were the, um, old like retro things they threw into them these these like vintage technologies in the way of a water intrusion uh indicator the radiology or the the radioactive indicator this has none of those things it's got a 430 date window all black 50 fathoms this is this is money i i really like this one i don't think it's my favorite of them but i It's, it's up there. It's, it's top three for me.
Everett You know, I think it's interesting when they released the six or the, the five, excuse me, it, it felt a little like, um, they were missing something like this. You know, they've got the, the gray and white version, but I think the mission to the moon moon swatch was complete Yeah, I think it was probably far and away the favorite because there was people that wanted a Moonwatch, but they wanted it in the Moonswatch form. And I was kind of struck by how all of these are pretty out there. In fact, I think the biggest difference for me between the Moonswatch collaboration and the Fifty Fathoms swatch collaboration was, or the Blancpain swatch collaboration was, that I didn't like any of the Blancpans. I don't hate them all, but I didn't love any of them enough to actually buy it. Versus with the Moonswatch, I was like, fuck, I like them all.
Andrew You know, I eventually- I think the Omegas, like the Moonswatch platform is a better medium for color expression than the 50 Fathoms.
Everett You might be onto something there because I, you know, I think the Jupiter is great. Your anus is just fire. As always. You know, I settled on the Mars because I love the subdial hands and the Alaska Project connection. But there was probably, you know, of the 35 that they released, there's probably been 33 of them that I thought, yeah, that's really fucking cool. In contrast to that with the Blancpain project, I just wasn't enamored really by any of these. you know, ironically, the mission to the moon was my, probably my least favorite of the moon swatches. Uh, maybe not least favorite, but just the one that I'd be least inclined to get this ocean of storms, I think is far and away the best of the blonde ponds. I mean, it is really, really attractive. Um, that black color way, I think. And so you might have hit the nail on the head that the color expressions just, The Speedmaster platform just lends itself better to that. You might be right about that. I actually think there's something about the bracelet or the strap that the Blancpain's come on that bothers me that five or seven or however many straps that is.
Andrew I think it's the bezel. I think the thickness of the bezel makes it difficult to kind of do big colors. And I think with that skinny, the skinny bezel of the Speedmaster compared against that fucking huge dial. I just, I think it's, it's a better medium for, for color.
Everett Yeah. You, you, you might be right. Andrew theories abound. Everybody's got them. What are your theories? Why is the moon swatch? Why are all of the moon swatches better than until now all of the Blancpain's? You don't have to respond to that. It was semi-rhetorical, but you can if you want. You know where to find us.
Andrew Oh, I thought you were talking to me. No. And then you said it like it was me. I was like, well, I'm prepared to respond. I very rarely, if ever, talk to you. It's true. We're not even in the same room. That's the funny thing. Y'all think we're like hanging out, drinking beer. We're, we're actually, we're not. We're, we're totally co-located. In fact, sometimes we play footsie.
Everett So, uh, another brand that, reminds me in a lot of ways to Dan Henry, Andrew. Uh, and I've never heard anyone else make this comparison, but it seems so obvious that other people may have. Furlanmari came out a handful of years ago, uh, kind of like a Kickstarter, a special, but just instantly caught fire with the way they were connecting, you know, with Patek Philippe pieces. And, you know, I think Furlanmari is one of those brands that's a little, it's a little tough to understand how they've gotten to where they are, you know, besides like a big three for the Mario or one of the few watches you can buy with resale value three times retail, um, which is crazy in this world. It's crazy to have caught fire like that. You know, even when you look at brands that have been propped, you know, with financial connections or not, but you know, brands like Serica or whatever, that were darlings, you know, the resale on those is less than MSRP. Frill and Mari has hit that, that golden ratio of supply and demand where, you know, you could have picked up one of their initial releases for 400, 500 bucks. And they now regularly go for 1200, 1300, 1400 bucks. Smiths is like that. It's, it's, it's,
Andrew bizarre that you can buy a small batch, small brand watch as a commodity and make money on it. Yeah. Set up bots to purchase it. The millisecond it drops.
Everett So Frill and Mars released their newest watch, which is a absolutely stunning Bicompax chronograph. They've done so in collaboration with Revolution. and uh an Italian collector who I don't know a lot about. His actual name is Aro Montanari but I think that he's posted on or been featured on Talking Watches as by a non-de Plume John Goldberger. I'm not really all that familiar but supposedly he's a maybe a Dan Henry type character himself. And they released this beautiful mechanical chronograph. There are three of them, which are sort of informed by this Auro Montanari's tastes and his familiarity with watches. And these are fucking stunners. So these are not $350 or $400 watches. Rather, these are mechanical chronographs with a price to match. I think they're like, what, $3,000? Franks, is that right? Or 3,500 Franks? $2,750. Yeah, so $2,750 Franks, so something like... $3,000. $3,000. The pushers on these are fantastic. The details on this watch is absolutely terrific. I think they call these olive pushers. You know, this thing has this really sort of vintage style. Looks like a 1963. like all of like all of Ferlin Mari's stuff, but it is just. Tell me I'm wrong. Absent. No, you're, you're, you're, I mean, you're a little wrong. Uh, but golly. So there are three versions of these ones, like a sort of copper dial ones, a blue and blacked out, which has a bit of a, I don't know, a roulette field to me at least. And then this like really sort of dark, tan and gray, not quite black and tan, but sort of tan and onyx, really warm, hued. And that one's got a pulsation timer on it. These are terrific, Andrew. I mean, actually, I think they all have pulsation timers, but these are really, really terrific. And I mean, I don't know that I'm a buyer today. Oh, they're actually calling that taupe. So I guess warm. tan is is fine.
Andrew Super precise color descriptors here. Pantone 341A. Is that right?
Everett I don't know. OK, so a Selita AMT 5100 manually wound column wheel, column wheel controlled flyback chronograph with a 58 hour power reserve. So I don't I'm not super familiar with that. I'm not super familiar with that movement, but it sounds rad. Uh, 38 millimeters by 13.2 for a mechanical chronograph. That's acceptable. Uh, 46 millimeter terrific lug to lug 50 meters of water resistance, polished steel, CNC hands. Interesting. You don't see that a lot. Yeah, this is pretty cool. 30 minute counter.
Andrew I love it. Pantone 341 is green. So I wasn't close. What do you got? I like that watch. I have another interesting story. So King Frederick the 10th of Denmark was recently coronated. Is that the right word? Coronated? Crowned? Coroned. Coronad. I think coronaded. And here he is. in his finest military dress complete with shoulder boards with what I'm assuming is 24 karat gold tassels 24 karat gold embroidery on the cuffs and let me tell you what this dude wore for coronation day the Omega Seamaster 300 on an olive nylon strap. Fuck yeah. This dude knows. So for those of you unfamiliar, like I was, um, this, this fella was a former member of the international Olympic committee, a sailor. He served in the Danish Royal Navy, the Danish Royal army, and, completed training as a frogman in their in Denmark's elite special operations force. Take that for what you will. Now, most elite special operator units have some kind of special unit watch partnership, whether it be with. Take your pick of brands, they almost all have one. These watches are available for current and former members of these special teams. So the watch that he was wearing is the Danish Special Forces Special Omega Seamaster 300 watch, because he completed training with them. I'm not, again, take that for what you will. And this is, everyone knows the Seamaster Pro. Everyone knows it. It's a gorgeous watch. I'm not a big fan of the wave dial. It's always been kind of a hangup for me. Um, but so many people, so many special operations units where these, these dudes are like, these watches are swatch spotted on every single time you see any operator group meeting, like at a diplomatic meeting or anything like that. Oh, see master pro sub, you know, take your pick of watches. Um, what a baller move to get coordinated as king of a country wearing that on a NATO.
Everett You know, there's a number of pictures that, so this, this picture has been making the rounds this week. He's wearing it on like a tan NATO and there are a number of other pictures of him wearing this watch on the same NATO. It occurs to me that this is just his watch, right? I don't think he's a watch guy.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett I think he had some money and so he bought the unit watch. Had some money.
Andrew As the heir apparent.
Everett And that's just his watch, right? This is the watch I wear. I mean, he's the king of Denmark. He probably has a net worth of like seven and a half million dollars or something like, I don't know, probably eight and a half.
Andrew Yeah, he's still he can still buy one of these. They're like five grand.
Everett So, you know, I think this is just this guy's watch and it doesn't matter what the fuck he's doing. I don't think it was like, oh, I'm getting crowned today. What am I going to wear? Corona Day. I think he was just like. putting on his underwear, put on his watch and then put on his 24 karat gold tassels, you know, and white gloves. Yeah.
Andrew As you do, as you do. So maybe I don't think a person has that much money and doesn't get all kinds of gifts.
Everett Yeah, man. Well, I don't, I don't know. You, you might be right. I think this is just his watch. I think he's a pretty no nonsense dude. And this is just his watch. That's my take. I think that's a reasonable take. I mean, all the other pictures of him that exist, he's like, I'm blanking on the Ukrainian president's name. Vladimir Zelensky. Zelensky, that's right. I think he's kind of like, he's just like, I'm doing my job. Look, people.
Andrew Yeah, but Zelensky's a TV star also.
Everett Well, you're not wrong about that. Yeah, so maybe a little different. And I just, the way this guy seems to me is that he's maybe, not to say there's no vanity there, I think he's just kind of serious going about business.
Andrew I think he just wants to be a man of the people and chose that today.
Everett Yeah. But, but a Seamaster is not man of the people, right? An Iron Man is man of the people.
Andrew But in the way of this is the watch I earned the right to own.
Everett I think it's less man of the people and more just like, this is my watch. I just don't think he gives a shit.
Andrew Maybe. Maybe. But a fun watch spotting. Because it'd be really easy for him to be wearing like a Datejust or like an IWC or something like that.
Everett Andrew, we are behind and there's some shit we have to talk about. Get behind me. Do it. I'm going to talk about the Timex Marlin. Okay. These are sold out. You can't buy them. I assume they'll come back, but they're fucking rad. Uh, Houdini calls this retrofuturistic and maybe Timex has used that language as well. Certainly the name, the Marlin Jet Automatic feels retrofuturistic, which Uh, they talk about retrofuturistic sort of the Jetsons. And I think that's a great example. I think of like, uh, the Disney Disneyland, is it Futureland? Tomorrowland. Tomorrowland. That's right. I think of Tomorrowland and this watch to me fits in that. So you see this watch from the top down, obviously like a classic automatic watch. It's got this like bubble dome crystal. but then you get up close and the details. So this is a, this is a galley design, I believe, or part of a galley design. Um, but you get up close and it's like, wait, what the fuck? Timex? So it's got this stepped bezel that holds this domed crystal. It's got sort of a dog bowl dial cross her dial with an inset, small seconds.
Andrew cuts into that dog bowl for the markers. Shit, man. Yeah. You know what I hate about this? And it's super bugs me. Tell me the six o'clock engraved or maybe etched Marlin. I love it. I think it's terrific. Don't like that. It looks it looks like a 1960s. Prototype car. which is why it's the retro futuristic thing.
Everett Did I say small seconds when I was talking? You did. It's not small seconds. It's a 24 hour. Uh, sorry, keep going.
Andrew But that's what it reminds me of. It, it, it hits that, that retro futuristic Jetsons feel a little too on the nose for me with that Invicta esque Marlin. I think you're dead wrong. Um, that's, that's, I think, I think all you want you wrong.
Everett This is rad.
Andrew Invictus Invictus does suck. This is right with that deep engraving.
Everett I actually have no criticisms about that. I, it's got a Miyota movement. I have to imagine that it's a Miyota eight series for 289 bucks. So I criticized Dan for using that movement. I'm not going to criticize Timex eat me. That's my opinion. Uh, I think this is, I think it's, Almost perfect. And it's unfortunately sold out. I went to the website today to check this out. 38 millimeters. It does have a 19 millimeter lug.
Andrew Of course it does. Coming on that woven strap.
Everett Okay, fine. You can get 19 millimeter. That's not great. Okay.
Andrew But you have to get 19 millimeters special for it. But this is really cool. Because you're not going to wear it on that OEM.
Everett I'm pumped about this thing. Like, I think if this thing comes back up for sale, I'll probably grab one.
Andrew I just I can't I can't get behind the the Marlin logo-ing. Moving on. I want to talk about two Prisaj cocktail times. So Seiko has partnered with the Star Bar in Tokyo to produce two new colorways for the cocktail time. The first being the star bar. So, so interestingly here, they're coming in two sizes, two color ways. The first is for the gentlemen, the purple sunset, which is a 40 and a half millimeter case with this beautiful gradient purple transitioning into deep, deep blue with this kind of like almost sand like wavy texture dial. It's not a it's like nothing I've ever seen before. I could go with a different color way. This is not for me because it also has kind of rose gold markers. All the presage cocktail time features are there.
Everett And this is like the OG cocktail time case, too, I think. Yeah, I think it's terrific.
Andrew It's just gorgeous. Not for me. but in the way of trying to pair it to the cocktail that is its namesake, the Purple Sunset. So they partnered with the Starbar, famous bartender Hisashi Kishi at Starbar played a part in this. Next one up is the Pinky Twilight coming in at 30.3 millimeters. This is actually the tile color I like more. It is gradient, same kind of wavy sand texture from a almost pink but not quite pink down into a cream color. Just a gorgeous dial. Limited edition, kind of, they're like $3,000 and $3,500 a piece. Maybe, I don't know, that was a different one. Yeah, I think 5,000 pieces each. So 5,000 each. These are gorgeous.
Everett Yeah, I'm with you. I actually really like both of these dials. And in fact, the cocktail time when you and I were really sort of getting into watches, the cocktail time was one of those watches that everybody was kind of pushing, you know, like if you want a dress watch, you either get the Bambino or the cocktail time. The cocktail time just never did it for me. I like these better than the standard, especially that original kind of crystal blue dial. I think these are really fun. I think they're really fun and terrific. They've got this push button deployant clasp that I find really terrific. Yeah, I like them both, Andrew. And in fact, I would wear either one of these. They're 500 bucks. I think you've got a 4R35 and a Hardlex. Oh, 9,000 pieces. in the SRP K75, which is the blue purple 41, you've got a 2R05 movement in the SRE 014, which is the smaller, I think 30 millimeters, clearly marketed at ladies. Um, that's limited of 5,000. I don't know the 2R movement. I assume it's a 4R, a smaller 4R or something like that. That's gotta be the, differentiation there. Yeah it's a 40-hour power reserve automatic movement. The the ladies version is 11 millimeters thick which is interesting because I think that the SRPK is more the like 12 and a half maybe. 11.8. 11.8 okay well that's pretty thin for a for our movement.
Andrew Yeah there's nothing but movement in that watch. And that's a 41 by 20.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Pretty, pretty cool watch. Cool watches. Yeah. I feel like we need to talk about Yammer real quick because they released three new, uh, three new watches. The Yammer Urban Rallygraph, Flygraph and Yachtinggraph. These are, three watches that share the same case and bracelet, uh, but have different dials and different bezels. And they are really three totally different watches. They're all time only. Um, they've got intended, intended purposes, I guess, one with sort of a, uh, tack meter bezel, one with a racing, uh, backwards countdown. What do you call that? And then timer. Yeah, sure. And the one like sort of fly. These are cool, man.
Andrew Yeah, they're good. The colorways on them are awesome. This is one of the first yellow highlights I've seen that I really dig in that in that racing.
Everett Graph, and so these are in the urban sport collection, the traveler field and now sport. uh subcategories and they come with the yema's in-house 2000 caliber it's a 28 8 29 jewel movement that's pretty well regulated 42 hour power reserve this is a miyota 9000 or whatever but 28 24 type of movement i'm not saying it's a clone of those i actually don't know but it it's sort of living in that world um yeah this is cool man these are all cool i think for eight hundred and ninety euro. I'd wear all of these. They've got great bracelets. I don't know what you call this style of bracelet.
Andrew Yeah, I'm trying to wrap my head around what's happening with the bracelet.
Everett I've seen this before. It's sort of a it's like a dive extension. It's like a nine link, sort of a nine link. These are these were popular in the 70s and I think they're still pretty neat looking. Definitely its own, definitely its own thing. Not, not to say it's Yema's thing, but yeah. So they're saying stainless steel, nine row brace bracelet with safety latch and dive extension bracelet. I think these are folded clasps. Yema's kind of doing, they're sort of like Seiko where you get to the the clasp and the things that people really want. And it's like, but they're priced well. And these are fun. These are neat watches. I dig them. You're you're deep in thought.
Andrew Yeah. I'm, I'm trying to wrap my head around this dive extension.
Everett Oh yeah. It's stupid. Don't worry about it.
Andrew Yeah. I'm, I don't understand how it, how it works.
Everett You've already thought about it too long.
Andrew Perhaps. Um. All right, last up for me. Citizen with some new Ecozilla additions. In. Great colorways, so they have two special editions that are being dropped for both the 70th anniversary of Godzira and the, what, the 30th? 50th? An anniversary, or 35th anniversary of the ProMaster. So these are left hand, left side crown EcoZillas with a red or green camouflage pattern. to simulate the scaly skin of Godzilla. Also with, they say hidden Godzillas in there. I have, Oh, I found one in the green. I found them. Um, all black case with that same kind of camouflage pattern on the top side of the case. Um, yeah, just the top side of the case. These are Cool. This is the first like graphic dial that I've seen that I'm like, I could, I can, I can fuck with that. I can get down with this. They're, uh, 5,000 units each or 2,500 in the black, 3,000 in the red. I think they meant to say green, 900 bucks. They are using the caliber B873. They're ecozillas celebrating Godzilla and they're huge. 48.2 case, 18.5 thick. These are wrist weights. They are enormous. Have you ever worn one of these?
Everett No. Yeah. They're, I mean, they're really massive watches. They do wear, cause they basically are negative lug. They do wear, well for that big, but you can't, they're going to wear like a tuna.
Andrew They're like just all case.
Everett They're big fucking watches. And you know, the thing about these watches that I think is the most, um, shocking is when you see the pictures of these, they look really terrific because our brain scales the pictures. But my experience with these and when you, is when you get them in person, because it's so massive, the details kind of fall apart. and they seem kind of floofy. With that said, I think Citizen is probably creating the only real utility dive watches on earth. And so, you know, Citizens is making serious dive watches for people that are theoretically still seriously diving and want this equipment. Because there's not really a market for it because nobody wants that because nobody does that. There's like 500 people who do that. That's right. It was like Frank's. Someone wrote us and said Frank ruined watches. Yeah. You know. OK, fine. I know people love this watch. Certain people love this watch. I dig this. I think these are great. I don't want to get $900 worth, though. They're great for what it is. Which is a shitty watch. I'm
Andrew just needed a break so I'm walking over to housewares and I saw this thing. I saw a um musubi cafe I assume a musubi maker and for those of you unfamiliar with musubi, musubi is a Hawaiian kind of inspired um rice patty like pressed rice with a slice of spam wrapped with some manner of It's spam nigiri. Yeah, it's spam nigiri. I've made it at home. There's like in the past in order to, cause you really need to compact and press that rice down because it's not a full nori wrap in the, it's pressed down and nigiri is pretty easy to deal with because it's just a little like less than an egg size rice pressed together by hand. This is a patty to accompany Spam. So I've used a spam can. I just get like my tin snips out and cut it down to size and press it down in there, press the spam on. And it's just never quite what I want. I saw this and I was like, Oh, I've, I've seen these before. I'm intrigued. I got one. It was like eight bucks and it is awesome. It is, it's exactly what you want. It's a, it's a musubi press. You can compress it down as tight as you want and you pack the rice in there, you pack it down. You throw your slice of fried spam in there, you press it down. I do too. And it makes me think that like spam was designed for this because exactly two, I'm trying to think like widths of spam, you throw it on its side, you cut it. The width, yeah. Widths, two widths of spam is exactly the width of a Nori sheet. So I just did full wrapped nori sheet rather than cutting it down to do like a ribbon. I just did like a full wrap because then my kids don't make a huge mess with the rice cake, even though it's really well compressed down in there. You've almost got like a burrito. Yeah, you've got a you've got a roll like a nori out roll. This thing is great. Dishwasher safe goes right back in its little plastic package and into the cupboard. I make enough musubi because the kids really like it. It's a great snack. It's good, hot, cold. This is one of my favorite Asian market pickups. Eight bucks. And it makes a kind of tedious task super easy.
Everett Yeah, put a link in the show notes. I'm going to buy one of these because my son really loves musubi. I don't dislike musubi. And that sounds terrific. Yeah. Do you make sushi rice for it? Or are you just using like, uh, so
Andrew Yeah, I'll do like kind of light, just a light sushi, sushi rice, not like a full batch of, of the sushi, like of, of sugar vinegar mix into it. I'll do probably like a, like a third of that just to add a little bit of seasoning to it. And then I hit it with some furikake and then mix it all together in that way. And then I do a Japanese barbecue glaze on the grilled spam.
Everett Okay. Yeah. Cool.
Andrew I'm into it. That's fun. It's money. Super easy and the kids will eat it. I'll eat it hot, cold.
Everett Awesome. I've got another thing and I'm behind the times on it. Do me. I watched a movie in the last several weeks called Killers of the Flower Moon. Anybody who's not living under a rock knows that this is the newish Scorsese film that came out with Scorsese's favorite lead man, Leonardo DiCaprio, a few years ago. It centers around the early 20th century. It's from last year. Osage. Yeah, sure. But it's long enough ago. It centers around the early 20th century Osage Nation finding oil on their property and having, you know, the white people around them really sort of pry that money from them. It's based on a book of the same name by an author whose name is David Graham. With that said, the movie is about that, and certainly that's a centerpiece of the movie, and that really comes out. With that said, it's a story, and the story is really, I would say, about social disorders or a sociopathic set of people. You've got alcoholism. You've got just like people doing almost inconceivable acts of betrayal. It's a Scorsese movie. That's right. It is a Scorsese movie. I will say it was different than any Scorsese movie I've ever watched. So I have watched, I think, all of Scorsese's major motion pictures at this point. You know, I say that in rows is probably like 10 more that I haven't seen. With that said, this felt to me like something different. There was a bit of like Gangs of New York vibes from time, but actually it felt to me like a Paul Thomas Anderson film. I felt like the tone and the time jumps and the just amount of like dead space, not dead space, there were things happening and there were emotions happening and there were interactions happening, but in silence, it felt to me a lot like there will be blood, that same sort of pacing and the same tone Um, some of the same sort of bombastic personality comes through, you know, and that could be the time period. It could be a little bit of the oil theme, although much different movies.
Andrew Uh, but just I think the oil theme, I think there will be blood created such an, like a visceral reaction at the oil theme that anything, oil boom related is going to feel like have similar fields. Yeah, maybe but I don't think it was just that because Daniel Day Lewis could and should be in every Scorsese movie.
Everett Yeah, yeah, that's right. Well, I will just say I don't think it was entirely that I think that a lot of it was just the way people talked or at times didn't talk, which you know, there will be blood has a lot of really terrific silence in it. I felt like this movie was similar. You know, a lot of times there's things happening in just silence. Anyway, it was maybe not what I expected. And I don't, I didn't know the story. I have put the book on my short list, although I'm not sure if I'm going to get to it real soon. With that said, the story is fantastic. And the thing that happened is a thing like, gosh, it feels like we should know about this. but the movie was really delightful. I actually think I should go back and watch it again. I do think it's one of those movies that time will be kind to because it was so complex and there was so much happening. Um, you know, Leonardo DiCaprio, I think is a terrific actor. There was a bunch of really good performances in this, and I don't think Leonardo DiCaprio's performance was top three, top four. Even De Niro is,
Andrew I'm struggling to imagine De Niro in, uh, that era.
Everett Well, he's terrific. I would say, I would say top of his game. Um, yeah, you know, I just thought it was, I thought it was really good, but I think it's, it would be easy to not like it even as good as it was. Does that make sense? Um,
Andrew Yeah. I think some of the best movies are like that.
Everett That feels maybe a little bit like I'm defending it on the back end because I wanted to like it. I don't think that's what's happening here. I think it's a better film than you realize right away. Slow burn, kind of cerebral. Yeah. Jesse Plemons is terrific. Brendan Fraser is- I love Jesse Plemons. Terrific. Yeah. It was really good. And there were other actors, Lily Gladstone, someone who I'm not familiar. She was terrific. You know, really good movie, I'd say. I think I could probably even just leave it there. Loved it. Sorry I'm so late.
Andrew John Lithgow's in it, too. Look at that lineup. He had a good role, apparently.
Everett Yeah, it was really good. All right. Andrew, I think we've done it once again. As always.
Andrew The perfect episode in the can.
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