Episode 265 - Another Stellar Christopher Ward

Published on Mon, 27 Nov 2023 08:40:32 -0800

Synopsis

This podcast episode covers new watch releases and discussions on various topics. The hosts, Andrew and Everett, discuss their plans for Thanksgiving and share their thoughts on new watches from brands like Christopher Ward, Bell & Ross, Hamilton, Longines, Seiko, Worn & Wound, and Traska. They also talk about Andrew's recommendation for Old Navy chinos and other miscellaneous topics like the new Serial podcast episode and an Allen Edmonds sale.

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Andrew	Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the Watch Cooker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Everett	Everett, how are you? I'm, I'm doing really well. Uh, yeah, I'm doing well. Andrew, how are you?
Andrew	That's it. That's all I get from you. I'm doing really well. Doing really well.
Everett	Really, really well. Yeah, I don't know. I didn't have anything clever to say tonight.
Andrew	You never have. That's fair. I am also well, I'm a little tired. I fell asleep on accident. I was like not at all prepared for it. I just laid down on the bed and my wife woke me up like two and a half minutes ago. So I'm a little out of sorts. But it's the week of Thanksgiving. We've made it somehow. Tis. Uh, I'm, I'm very much looking forward to that. Cause I love Thanksgiving. There's the only holiday where there's just no stress associated with it. You just go and you eat.
Everett	Yeah, that's right. Very little stress associated. I mean, there is the stress of preparing the meal, but that is sort of like Tuesday. Yeah. Right. You've got more courses to worry about than normal, I'd say, but yeah.
Andrew	But even doing the meal, like once you get into double oven territory in your, in your kitchen owning life, uh, it kind of like a lot of the stress there even goes away.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. We, um, we did secure a turkey. We have secured, I think most of the necessary ingredients. ingredients for Thanksgiving dinner. So now it's just a matter of cooking.
Andrew	And one Fred Meyer trip on Thanksgiving day.
Everett	Oh, most certainly. Yeah. If it's just one, that would be rad. I think it'll be one.
Andrew	I think you're there. Let's hope so. No one ever, it's always something stupid too.
Everett	Like, Hey, do we have brown sugar?
Andrew	We did. And now no more.
Everett	Yeah. Uh, my wife did say I was at the store tonight and I said, Hey, is there anything that you can think of right now that we need for Thanksgiving? And she said, I can't think of anything right now, but I'm going to go to the store tomorrow anyway. So I think that there is a chance that we'll have the things. There's a chance.
Andrew	It's an outside chance. Evidently have to go because Sam decides to do or make something. in the two days leading up to Thanksgiving that is unusual for her to do.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	And she uses as a result, an ingredient that is kind of obscure, but tends to be necessary for Thanksgiving. She's like, well, I didn't know you needed it.
Everett	That's the, I use this once a year. It was French onion soup mix for me last year. I just happened to use the French onion soup mix like a week before. And I was like, Oh,
Andrew	French onion soup. What are you making? What are you using that for?
Everett	You know, I, it's actually a really nice seasoning. You can use it for all sorts of stuff. Uh, I think I had actually made a, I think I had actually made like a French onion soup though, which you don't need French onion soup mix for French onion soup.
Andrew	However, why not?
Everett	Why not? When in Rome? What are you using it for Thanksgiving? Oh, in the stuffing. Oh yeah. We use a little bit of French onion soup in the stuffing.
Andrew	All right.
Everett	I like that. Yeah. It's, it's actually really, really nice. Yeah.
Andrew	I can get down with that. Yeah. I see all the reasons why.
Everett	Uh, I have, I'm not sure. I haven't decided yet. I may spatchcock the turkey, not entirely, but mostly because it's fun to say spatchcock, spatchcock, spatchcock, spatchcock.
Andrew	Now I'm confused. Tell me. You are you just using the word spatchcock? Are you saying that you might do it or you have not yet decided if you're going to?
Everett	I haven't yet decided. I haven't yet decided. But it is a nice way to cook a turkey. It really is. It reduces your cooking time by about half.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	Maybe not quite half, but pretty close to it.
Andrew	Really close to half. And you get the same skin effect.
Everett	Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because you just you just broil it.
Andrew	And unless you're using Unless you're doing stuffing, like actually cooking stuffing in the bird.
Everett	You have to cook the stuffing separate, but you have to cook the stuffing separate anyway, because there's never enough stuffing. No, I make so much every year. But yeah, excited that that's happening today, right now.
Andrew	Is your turkey defrosting right now as we speak?
Everett	Oh, it's been defrosting for two days. Excellent. Alrighty, so today's Tuesday. It's been defrosting since Sunday night. Excellent. Yeah. So it'll be, it'll be ready to go. I hope. Fingers crossed. Do you brine your bird? Nope. But you've talked to me about that in the past. I have not brined my bird. It's not a bad idea. Maybe this is the year.
Andrew	I do it every year.
Everett	It's fantastic. What do you brine it in?
Andrew	Just like a five gallon bucket? Yep. Five gallon bucket with a lid. And I start from frozen. Okay. Yeah, well, there's still time. It would be a short brine, but there is still time. Maybe I'll make up a brine tonight. As long as you have a five gallon bucket with a lid.
Everett	I don't know if I have a lid, but I do have a five gallon bucket.
Andrew	You can get away without a lid with saran wrap. Yeah, but you also need a way to chill it. I've got a fridge for it. Oh, yeah.
Everett	I've got a fridge that will easily accommodate
Andrew	I always end up putting mine in a cooler.
Everett	Yep. I've got, well, I've got a fridge that'll work. Mine's usually full. Andrew, as much as I'd love to talk about the intricacies of Thanksgiving dinner all hour long, I think that is not why the people are here. That's not why the people are here. That's why I'm here. The people are here because today we're talking about watches. Weird. We are talking about watches and we are talking about some new watch releases. Some, some good, some maybe, uh, a bit puzzling, uh, all interesting. I think if it's not interesting, we're not going to talk about it.
Andrew	That's true. There's enough to talk about that. We will not even probably get to our list.
Everett	It has been about three weeks since we've done one of these windups. And so there is going to be. maybe a broader range. You might be like, oh, it happened like a year ago. Uh, there's going to be a broader range of time than sometimes in these. Sometimes we would go back, but we usually try to be pretty contemporaneous. We had, we had a bit wider field in terms of duration for this. So some of these will be from a few weeks ago. Some of the, some of these will be like as of about an hour ago. maybe two hours ago, at least one of them. Uh, what would you think about leading us off with something interesting?
Andrew	I am going to lead us off. I have nothing interesting, so I'm not really sure what you want to talk about. Uh, first thing I want to talk about is let's just kind of like, I don't know, medium ish excitement from it, uh, in the way of a new Christopher Ward C63. This is on my list. It was on my list too. And because I'm more excited about it, I'm choosing it first so as to not be slurped by you. You slurped? Yes. The new Christopher Ward C63 Celeste in aventurine. And this is exciting for two reasons. It's actually exciting for more than two reasons. Primarily, for me, exciting for two reasons. Number one, this is Christopher Ward bringing the C63 in a new flavor in the way of an Aventurine dial. Aventurine is the coolest. I don't know where else this material is going to cost you under $1,200. aventurine dialed watches coming in under $1,200.
Everett	You know, off the top of my head, I don't, I don't suspect it's the hardest material, uh, to, to get ahold of, but yeah, no, it's not something that I can immediately think of.
Andrew	Here's exciting reason. Number two, Christopher Ward has kind of low key also introduced a new C63 bracelet at the same time in the way of their five link. Yeah.
Everett	Yeah, I by the way, is this exclusive to this watch?
Andrew	So they're calling this the consort bracelet seems exclusive to this watch, but it's out there. And I expect they'll end up making it available for purchase independently. So what? What a crazy low key. Hey, by the way, here's this new five link have fun. This is a perfect platform to be introducing the Aventurine in because they're doing it in their 36 millimeter case. They have that classic light catcher. It's pulling all of that into your Aventurine dial. And by the way, we have a new consort bracelet with it. Uh, it's it also, if you decide it's available in their, uh, classic Bader bracelet is what they're, They've now named their, their three link.
Everett	The oyster. Yeah. I'm going to call that, but it's obviously not, not an oyster strictly speaking.
Andrew	Bader though. I'm wondering about that. That was a weird name. Um, and the consort. So this is a cool release. What are your thoughts?
Everett	Yeah. So I've got, uh, immediately my first thought is, Is that consort as in like the spouse or romantic partner of a king or is it, or queen, or is it consort as in like, Oh, I was consorting with that guy.
Andrew	Yeah. You know, I, I have wondered that to the point that, um, I just kind of moved on cause I'm not sure they know, but I love this bracelet. It is a, five link bracelet with the even numbers being high polished the odd number or the yeah excuse me the odd numbers being brushed it's lovely and it's a really good fit for this uh this application yeah i mean it's a c63 right it's a light catcher case it it it's only in the 36 i believe yes there's not
Everett	anything about this thing that is mind-blowing, except for the fact that it's got a new bracelet and it's a Venturine dial.
Andrew	Which either one of those things in and of themselves is noteworthy.
Everett	Yeah. I love it. I love it. It's $1,100. I want it. Can you buy it for me?
Andrew	Yeah. You should send me some money.
Everett	I mean, this is a, this is a sort of, so the C63 is a pretty sporty watch. I think with this jubilee, it's not a jubilee, but the jubilee-ish consort bracelet and the adventuring dial, this is very dressy. Very, very dressy. It's not a dress watch. It's a sport watch, but it's very dressy. I mean, this is slick. And at 36 millimeters, it's size great. I think that these are pretty thin. I want to say 10 millimeters or just over like 10 and a half, I think, on these. I'm making this up, but that's my gut feeling. Uh, yeah, this is terrific. This is terrific. They're 11-4. 11-4. So I was a full millimeter off, but whatever. Sue me. Yeah. Sue me. That's a lot though. That's. Yeah. It's actually not a thin, it's not a thin watch at 11 and a half, but whatever. It's 11-4. Tell me about Seiko. Um, I think it's a great watch. I'm here for it.
Andrew	Yeah, I'm excited about this. I think this is a cool application of this thing that they're now using.
Everett	Bell and Ross released a new BRX5 and the whole fucking thing glows.
Andrew	That's what you should do with a X5.
Everett	So I think BRX5 is the newest model in Bell and Ross's catalog. This from the top down is awfully similar to BR05. I think this was the BRX5 was released last year, perhaps. The difference, the main differences being this sort of wild case cut out and a Kinesi power reserve. Uh, so these were, I think the first watches in Bell and Ross's Kinesi, Kinesi, uh, connection. And so you get this pretty prominent, I'd say prominent power reserve on the left side.
Andrew	It looks like it ought to be a sub dial and it is a sub dial, but it's a, it's a sub dial for power reserve, you know?
Everett	And I think a lot of people probably look at that and they're like, that's stupid. I don't want it. It's. It's the opposite of subtle. I might be in that camp, but it's not unattractive. But you also have that three date date window on the right. This is a particular watch. It sort of seems like they're going for a vibe here. They've released this in a fully I think it's a 3D printed case. So it's actually I think this is a three part case or perhaps a four part case. And so the, the parts closest to the movement are in like a PVD steel, but the parts that are most visible on the outside of the case are in like a 3d printed fully glow luminescent material. This is part of Bell and Ross's. loom l-u-m line which i think up to now has only been loomed dials and this is a bit of a different direction with that it's a glow watch yeah it's a glow watch i'm i'm i'm intrigued by it so it's a it's partially a titanium case Yeah. Oh yeah. It's not PVD steel. It's PVD titanium.
Andrew	Yeah. So it's, it's TLC titanium with this interesting new material. I'm trying to understand what it is.
Everett	It's just like a, like a glow in the dark plastic, right? Like the same thing that your kids glow in the dark slap bracelets made out of. Yeah.
Andrew	So it's like a, it's that, that, 3D printed glow-in-the-dark plastic with like a titanium skeleton that's kind of visible throughout and that creates the negative space in your loom profile of the case.
Everett	Yeah, that's right. That's right. I believe the case is the same as the BRX-5 case. The actual components are the same shapes. I can't promise that. I've never held either. Uh, this thing's expensive. I think it's a novelty. 13,300 bucks is the retail on this. Uh, they only made, I don't know, it's either 300 or a thousand. They only- 500. It's a 300 or a thousand, one of the two. The Green Lum. The Green Lum. Um, yeah, it's a novelty. When I first saw it, I was like, holy shit, those are cool. And then I, after a little while, I was like, yeah, stupid. Um, maybe not, uh, maybe not entirely, but probably mostly because of the price.
Andrew	Yeah. I think I, I started in the stupid camp and then learned it was $13,000 and was like, yeah, I was right about that. It's certainly interesting. I think it, I think it represents a cool thing. The side profile of the case makes me a little bit more intrigued by it. Yeah, my opinion remains the same, though.
Everett	Yeah, the dial, because of the way the luminescence on the dial, so matte black dial with loomed outlines on all the markers, definitely a bit of a Tron vibe. I read a Zach Kazan right up on this and he noted that maybe a missed opportunity not to have the date wheel be luminescent. I think I agree with him on that.
Andrew	Um, there's no other loom text.
Everett	Yeah, none of the text is loom, but I think he was saying maybe have the date disc itself be loomed. Um, I think that'd make it real stupid. Yeah, I think it's the difference between visual appeal when it's glowing versus visual appeal when it's dark. I don't know.
Andrew	If they could have found a way to put a secondary wheel, like a secondary disc in between the dial and the date disc, and they could Obscure the loom passing through for yesterday and tomorrow and allow only loom to emit for today. Loom up those numbers. You want them to be magicians? It's, it's Bell and Ross. If somebody is going to do that, it's going to be Ball or it's going to be Bell and Ross. Yeah, that's right. Uh, but yeah, I think, I think a date disc would have added to, I mean, if, Careful here, too much loom because this is a bright watch. Yeah, this is a nightlight. With the amount of loom that's being emitted just by the case. I'm comfortable with the amount of loom that they used. Andrew, what's next? Oh, next for me was prepared for that question.
Everett	I think in the future you might be prepared for it. It's coming again.
Andrew	Yeah, one would think. Oh, I know what I want to talk about. Organize these tabs. We have an interesting, at least appealing to me, new release from the company we know as Hamilton in the way of their Bullton. So. This is a. New color update from Hamilton to their bolt on Bolton bolt on Bolton line. This is a watch that I've seen before. And not really been too excited about. Until today. When I saw these new colors on it, so there is a white on white dial, as we know, a white dial with yellow painted markers, kind of a champagne dial and a mint dial. And that, oh, it's also one with a pistachio green. Yeah, baby poop white.
Everett	And they're, they're, I think they said they're macaron colors, which is okay. Appropriate.
Andrew	Yeah. Uh, this yellow got me smitten though. I never in a million years would have thought that I've been like, bring me yellow on my dial. But this white dial with that curved crystal, the crisp yellow markers, this does it for me this rectangle case shape has always been kind of a thing for me and the new the yellow is is it um these are tiny they're 23 and a half millimeter case width 37 lug to lug and 864 thick these are dress watches. I'm not sure if they have any water resistance. Oh, 50 meters. Um, yeah, this is, these are some new color ways. Hamilton really late to the Easter game, like two years late. Um, cause that's what everyone was doing a couple of years ago, but these are really lovely color releases for this watch.
Everett	You know, I think it's passe to say, this is a lady's watch. I just don't think marketing is happening that way. Uh, these days, I think this is probably primarily going to be a lady's watch. It does have the, the general dimensions of a, like a 1940s tank style watch, uh, 16 millimeter strap at the lugs. And it's a tapering strap. I mean, these are very little, I think that this is going to be probably too dainty for most men. in a daily wear scenario.
Andrew	Certainly anywhere but a dress wear scenario.
Everett	Yeah. There are quarts. I really don't like the lugs on the Bolton. I think that there's a lot to be desired here. These are exclusively quarts. I think this is fun. I do think it's probably a release primarily for the ladies. Yeah, but they're like 700 bucks or 650 bucks or something. These are Fun watches. And I do, I agree with you. 645 bucks. I think the white dial with the yellow print is the, the pick of the litter. Although I don't mind this pistachio. You said you, you, you referred to that watch with a bit of disdain in your voice. I think that's a nice color way too.
Andrew	Yeah. I think I disagree with you.
Everett	I don't particularly dig it, but I think it works. It's got that, it's got that sixties vibe to it. I like it a lot better than the tan, but whatever.
Andrew	But all these straps are just a shitty color choice. Small seconds on these. Yeah. I think they're lovely. I think they're a cool release. I think you're lovely. I am. Thank you. I appreciate your recognition.
Everett	Longines has been killing it as of late. Yeah, they've been showing up in a way they haven't in a while. You know, the the entire spirit line, just absolutely incredible. I think it was. Sometime in the mid 2000s, they released their legend diver, still a watch that, uh, gets play today. It's, it's not the most common, um, recommendation for a dive watch, but it seems to be in the game, right? It is a 42 millimeter twin stick internal rotating bezel dive watch. And it's terrific. I've handled these. They're beautiful. They work really well. It's just, it's a lovely watch. They have, they've updated with a 39 millimeter case, which I think is just an absolutely terrific move.
Andrew	Yes.
Everett	So these have been updated in and out. They've said it's an exclusive L888 movement, which I don't know enough about to talk about it intelligently, and I'm not going to learn between now and the time I'm going to talk about this watch. What I do know is this is a ISO certified Kask dive watch at 39 millimeters, and it's stunning. I think this is great. I think it's a great move. This is based on a reference from Longines catalog, I think in 1960s, late 60s reference that was actually 42 millimeters. So this is the first time this watch has existed in this smaller size, which is a bit of a, it seems like it's a bit backwards, but I think it's actually a great size because of this, because it's an internal bezel. this dial really takes over the watch. And so at 42 millimeters, I thought, I do think that the watch is a touch unwieldy. It looks like a big-ass pilot watch. At 39 millimeters, I think this thing is great. And I think that this is probably the only, I'll just say, maybe one of the only true dive watches that you could wear with a suit appropriately. I mean, you can wear whatever the fuck you want. Wear a G-Shock with a suit. I don't care. But this thing looks like it would fit with a suit, right? At 39 millimeters, no clunky external rotating bezel. This, you know, it's got like a beads of rice style bracelet. This thing rocks a suit all day long. And it's ISO certified. And it's COSC. Yes. Yes, please.
Andrew	This is the first ISO 6425 certified watch from this line and they dumped the date window.
Everett	This, it's a true enthusiast watch.
Andrew	This is the first time I saw this line and was like, Ooh, what's up with you? And I realize it's because it's smaller. It's apparently smaller. And they killed the date window. I don't like a date window in an internal rotating bezel. I typically like a date window, but there are some applications where I don't. This is among them. And this watch is killer.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. It's really nice. Uh, they come in both blue and black dials. Oh, and I think there's like an ombre green as well. Um, the blue is super dark.
Andrew	I bet it would appear black more often than not.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. Uh, and they have terrific, they have terrific loom. It's got both, I think, uh, BGW9 and C3 applications on the same dial. And so you get a little bit of contrast when it's lit up. Um, what more to say? $3,000 on a strap, $3,200 on a bracelet, get the bracelet every time, put it on a strap if you want it. I'm here for it. I think at $3,000, this is absolutely terrific. And I think Lungene's been killing it. They are in that segment that, you know, whatever, $2,000 to $5,000 segment, I think they're really, really pitching themselves. You know, you've got just not a lot going on there. You've got Tudor. You've got obviously brands like Manta is sort of at the low end of that. There's just not a ton going on there. And I think Longines showing up and doing the things. I love this watch.
Andrew	I think it's great. It's an interesting spot to try to be jockeying for position in.
Everett	I think it's wide open.
Andrew	Yeah, because there's no one you're fighting with.
Everett	Oris.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	You've got Oris in there. You've got Zyn, perhaps. Yeah. So there's not no one there, but I think there's no one quite like Longine there.
Andrew	They're a little bit trying to cut their own path because there's just no one there. There's not very many $3,000 dive watches out there. which is maybe to their benefit, but also to their, to their detriment and saying, we've created this new, this new price band and we're worth it.
Everett	So, so I misspoke the 39 is only available right now in that Navy blue, dark blue, and the black dial, both of them available on bracelet or strap.
Andrew	The nerve 300 meters.
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Andrew	Worn and round. Worn and wound, not worn and round, though they are round. You said something stupid. Worn and wound release in their 3X GMT. So it is the Boulder GMT. It looks familiar. Twin sticks. But here's where it changes. These are some wild colorways. I'm not sure how I feel about their colorways. This is a collaborative release, maybe an exclusive release based off of our previous maybe definition to, I'm not seeing how many they're limited to. That doesn't matter. We'll move on from that. So there are two colorways. I don't even really know where to start with a description. So the the first colorway is a primarily black or a gray palette. Where are they calling it? The. What do they have a name for it?
Everett	You know, I don't know. You've got this sort of dark foresty green and yellow and gray. This is, this is in that range of colorways that we've talked about being on, on Warner Wells, like collab palette.
Andrew	Yeah. So the, the, it's like a yellow, it's like a, almost a blue green chapter ring with a tan yellow second concentric ring and olive kind of green concentric ring with the markers atop of it.
Everett	Per the windup shop, the colorway is gray, Andrew. You idiot.
Andrew	I'm the asshole here. And it's a really striking color combination. It's perhaps the most colorful worn and wound watch I recall seeing. It's it's reminiscent of a roulette wheel in the vibrance of the colors. But this gray, though similarly palleted or segmented in its colors, is this kind of foam green gray color palette that I really, really dig. Hands on it, the minute and hour are the steel gray with a yellow GMT hand and a yellow balance on the... No, it's a yellow 24-hour hand. That's the GMT hand, there it is. And then a blue and yellow seconds hand. The colors here are fascinating. I don't know that I never wear them, but I really like them.
Everett	These remind me of the colors we've had recently in 101 Timex releases, the Brewmetric release that came out a while ago. I think Brew has been using, I don't know about the gray colorway, certainly the blue colorway. They've been using this set of colors, this sort of red and green. And I think it works great in this application. This is a busy watch, probably too busy for me. But I think it works here.
Andrew	I like the way they look. They're not for me, but this is a good color palette contribution to the boulder.
Everett	I think so. I think it works. I think it works out. Just fine. Good job, Warner Wound. Is that all you have to say about it?
Andrew	That's all I have to say about it.
Everett	Andrew, can we talk about Seiko? Oh, can we talk about Seiko? Do we have to? Well, no, but I think we should. So Seiko announced, I first saw these a few weeks ago on, um, sort of like some Reddit watch leaks. And I thought, Oh, okay. I'll wait. Uh, I'll wait before I make decisions. Seiko released a new Marine Master watch. Um, and I think it's a little bit of a puzzling. It's a little bit of a puzzling release. So I, I have read a bunch of articles about this now, read a bunch of comments. We've had some talks about it in our editorial staff, text messages. At the end of the day, I think this is a pretty terrific watch. It is a Prospex Diver with a new five link bracelet, but actually a three link with a three part middle link. It's got a, you know, maybe for lack of a better term, sort of a teak style dial. Uh, it does have some 62 MAS shoved in there with some Marine Master elements. But at the end of the day, this is a 200 meter kind of standard fair dive watch. You know, the Marine Master line, uh, I think was released in 2000 and it's got this monoblock case and no, you know, helium resistance just by way of being monoblock. Um, this is something different. We've, uh, never seen a Marine master quite like this, which is to say, this is just a Seiko dive watch. It's a very nice Seiko dive watch, but it doesn't have any of the Marine master things. It's 200 meters of water resistance. Yeah, I don't know. So my initial thought was, this isn't a Marine Master, this is stupid. In looking at the watch, I have changed my mind. The watch isn't stupid. This is a lovely watch. It's a really, really terrific watch. I think that there may be a bracelet fitment problem. One of the press photos I saw of this thing makes it look like there's a solid half inch gap. at the bracelet to lug connection, you know, on the X axis, which whatever. That's a problem. Obviously, that's a big QC problem, I think. But I was a prototype photo. I haven't actually handled one of these. I'm guessing this watch is absolutely stunning. And it should be as a three thousand dollar watch. Twenty eight hundred, I think, is the retail price on these. I don't know, man. 39 and a half millimeters, 12, three thick, which is great.
Andrew	Uh, it is got the... We've done away with the single piece case design. So it's not going to be a helium.
Everett	I mean, we, we don't need that. Of course not. And we've talked about that a number of times.
Andrew	But it doesn't have that.
Everett	It is. That's right. It, this isn't a Marine Master, I don't think. And I think they've, I think Uh, 6L37 movement, which is great. This is sort of, this is real Seiko shit. Um, probably top of the line Seiko stuff, but, uh, yeah, I don't think it's doing what we want the Marine Master to do. I think they've sort of tarnished the legacy of that line.
Andrew	I don't know if they've tarnished it so much as they're just not continuing it. They decided to just go away with it in the name of like, just, just, call it something else or just release a new 39 millimeter diver and don't call it the Marine Master. This doesn't have to be a Marine Master. This doesn't have to be a 62 MAS. This could be any number of obscure references that Seiko uses to release and they can tell the story about how it was inspired by. And then we have a watch everyone loves. But instead they just kind of misbranded it. The silver is a limited edition. The blue is the blue and black are going to be the the steadfast. And the blue is kind of a bummer.
Everett	Yeah. Oh, well, I don't know if it's a bummer, but it it's not blue.
Andrew	It's like this icy silvery blue. With a color like not a color matched bezel.
Everett	I ultimately, I think this is going to be a miss. And I think that this comes in kind of a, a bit of a hard time for Seiko. I can't think of the last thing Seiko dropped that I was like, yes, please give me more. This is the most exciting Seiko release I can think of. And ultimately I think it's really just a nosedive.
Andrew	Yeah, we've talked about two $3,000 dive watches tonight. One of them is a is a is a grand slam. And the other we're wondering like, how was how did it make the team? Yeah. This doesn't make sense to me. This is a lot of weird decisions to make it through to production.
Everett	Oh, display case back with a wave printed on it. Oh, now I'm in. Oh, boy.
Andrew	Now I go. My opinion has changed entirely. I don't know. I think Seiko is. Seiko is trying to be Seiko and they're trying to pull one over, just expecting that everyone's going to pay it. And everyone is going to pay it is the problem.
Everett	The bracelet does look beautiful. It's got mail in links, which or it's got a mail in link, which I think is a problem. But it is it looks to me to be a stunning bracelet, which. Say what you will. Seiko's not done great bracelets. I do think this thing has kind of a shitty push-button clasp. I looked for a photo of the clasp and I couldn't find one, but I think it's because it's not getting pictured. I'm guessing this is just a shitty Seiko clasp.
Andrew	It is. They're using their standard Prospex clasp on this Prospex watch.
Everett	You know, the SLA 017, those things are selling. I looked that up today and those things are selling from anywhere from 6,000 to 7,000 in like new-ish condition. And those things have a stamp, just a regular old stamped prospect clasp. So there's obviously a set of priorities and that's not one of them for Seiko. I think that there's a bit of a, pissing on us telling it's raining going on here, uh, which sucks as a, as a guy who sort of cut my teeth on Seiko. I think this sucks a little bit.
Andrew	I mean, I love it if it's not named the way that it is.
Everett	I don't know if I, I don't know if I love it at 2,800 bucks.
Andrew	I don't love it at 2,800 bucks at 1,200 bucks though.
Everett	Yeah. I think they could get away with this at 16, 1,700. At 20, they can get away with it at 2,800 obviously. For me, I don't think they can.
Andrew	They're not offering enough. They're not offering enough of a delta between their next diver in this to justify that price change.
Everett	Andrew, do you got one more thing you want to talk about?
Andrew	Do I do have another thing that I want to talk about? I want to talk about. The Monroe Ridgeline from Clements watches. Clements watches being a brand that we've spoken to here on the show before. This is your kind of run of the mill three hand kind of fieldy feeling sport watch with a little bit of a wrinkle in the way of a really fascinating dial color scheme. Uh, we first talked to Tom about his dive watch. What is it? Two years ago, probably. I think that sounds about right. That we talked to about bats, right? Yeah, it's Tom. Yeah, we talked to Tom about bats. So what we have here is a 37, 37 and a half millimeter field watch case. That's, you know, not particularly exciting or special, Um, what's exciting, what's different about this watch is the dial design in a half of the dial is this really lovely teal green, but it's not a half on the three to nine axis. It's half at the one 17, right? One 17 is it's the beginning of your 12 hours of green. With then a smaller orange and a larger black. My assumption is that this is related to kind of the transition of the day in your kind of sunset dusky period. I haven't read a whole lot about this watch. I saw the dial and got excited. Wanted to talk about it. Call up Tom Clements because he's doing a cool thing here. This is different and that's The kind of stuff we look for in small brands who can be nimble and do small batches is to be different and new and innovative.
Everett	Yeah. I think it's fun. I'm with you. I don't quite understand. I don't quite understand.
Andrew	Mountain slopes is what they represent.
Everett	Excuse me. Uh, but I think it's, it's just, I think it's just interesting, right? I think that that's why they've done this. Um, create a bit of asymmetry angles. I think it's fun.
Andrew	Yeah. That's what I wanted. I want it to be fun. It is. It is certainly fun. 500 bucks, uh, 500 pounds on rubber, 575 on a bracelet. He's expecting delivery in March of 24.
Everett	And you know, it's 37 and a half millimeters, which is a great size. I think for this watch, terrific size. I think Tom does a great job with his. 10 millimeters thick.
Andrew	These are nice and thin.
Everett	Yeah. Miura 9039, which is the way you get to 10 millimeters thick in a $500 watch.
Andrew	And it's 150 meters of water resistance. This is, this is a good field watch.
Everett	I got one more thing I want to talk about. All right, do it. Traska. Oh yes. So Will actually reviewed version two of the Traska Venturer GMT. This was, I believe, in February of 2022. Traska has just released their version three of. Which is a quick turn. The Venturer GMT. I think that the main difference between this and version two is that all of a sudden. they've introduced a hands-free, tool-free micro-adjust bracelet. So what you're getting, what you're getting for $720 is a GMT with a true GMT in one of the best cases embrace it with Traska's, you know, scratch resistant coating, which Andrew can attest is one of the greatest things ever been made. You've got fantastic dimensions in a 38 and a half millimeter watch, 10 millimeters thick, not including the crystal, but still probably about 11 total millimeters thick. All for 720 bucks, Miyota true GMT movement. I don't think that there's 150 meters of water resistance. I don't think that there's anybody making a watch with quite this value right now. I just think it's terrific. Now there's not a lot different between this still 38 and a half millimeters. This is essentially the GMT, but now we've got a hands free micro adjust bracelet at 720 bucks. There is no one else doing this. There's no one else doing this. This is the best $720 GMT you can buy period. There's absolutely no doubt about it.
Andrew	Almost anything Traska does is the best you're going to be able to get at that price point. Yeah.
Everett	Nobody else is doing hardening the way that they are. I keep saying hands-free micro-adjust. You have to use your hands. Yeah. Tool-free micro-adjust, hardening, true GMT movement. I mean, you've got the little like a perlage on the clasp, which what? I don't know. You may not care about that. I don't really care about that, but it matters. It all matters. It matters. This may be the best $720 watch you can buy.
Andrew	They're the most bang for your buck. You're going to get anything in their line.
Everett	Totally terrific. Thanks, Traska, for doing great things. Andrew, I think we did it. I think that's all the watch things. Way to go, us. Andrew, other things.
Andrew	I have another thing.
Everett	What do you got?
Andrew	It's a different other thing.
Everett	That's good, because the same other thing would be boring.
Andrew	So several weeks ago, you recommended some old Navy chinos. maybe not to all of us, but you did recommend them to our text thread and you said, I'm going to use these as another thing. I respected that for several weeks and have since now said, uh, your time has expired.
Everett	My friend, I am wearing my old Navy chinos today.
Andrew	So I, I went to and, and looked at said chinos, bought a couple of pairs of them. Uh, also tried on and found a similar, pair of chinos in the way of their ultimate tech built in tech built in flex chino pants for men. And I'm not a I don't want to wear technical chinos. Like I wear technical pants with some regularity. I see the value of them. I appreciate them. But chinos are not supposed to be that. I'm not going to be The Lululemon stretch pant guy.
Everett	Concur.
Andrew	Not going to be like the 5'11 5 pocket guy. Like it's just not me. I have like some. I have no reason for it, but I just feel strongly about it. These are. Not shiny. They're not swishy. They are perfectly stretchy. The only thing about them that makes them technical more than a slightly different than normal Chino material is one single zipper vertical pocket on the vertical seam of the pant.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	It is a virtually invisible for someone built like me. It's also not usable.
Everett	And they have a nice soft twill feel to them. Right. They're not, like you said, they're not hard. They're not swishy.
Andrew	They are terrific. They're nice and stretchy. So whenever I, get a new pair of pants. I must try them on in person because everyone says slim or straight or athletic and they usually have those three builds and none of them are the same. There's no uniformity to that. I found that even though I'm typically the, the, the straight fit type guy, the slim athletic was for me and old Navy has done this thing where they have a new cut or a new definition of cut called the athletic slim, which I was like, I read about and they're like, yeah, there's more room through the seat and thigh. It's like, then why are they slim? There's still that tapered slim style cut of pant with just a little bit more breathing room for the ass and trash. And that's what I need. I just need a little more breathing room between the knees and the hips and they fit great. I like them a ton. And because it's Old Navy, uh, their regular price is $54.99. But basically for the last three months and probably forever, they're going to be somewhere between 30 and 60% off all of the time, because that's how Old Navy does very much like Invicta. Yeah. So that's my other thing. These, uh, ultimate tech built-in flex chinos from Old Navy.
Everett	Yeah. And what do they call it? So they've, I think that they are, they, rotation chino pants. That's what they're calling their sort of, so I've got the regular rotation chinos and they are the best chinos I've purchased under about 50 bucks in a very long time. Uh, I, Mike Razak and I have talked about chinos quite a bit in the past few years. Good threads has got a pretty good sub $50 chinos. I like these quite a bit better. They're super comfy.
Andrew	Yeah. They stretch without being stretchy. They're not, they're not leggings, nor they dress pants, but they look nice.
Everett	So I've got two other things as a typical cheater face that you are. One of them is, uh, one of them is my actual other thing. One of them is a bit of a cheat, uh, but, The new episode of Cereal just dropped. Did you, did you know that? I did not. A new episode of Cereal just dropped and it's called The Children of Rutherford County. It is a four episode, so kind of a quick listen in kind of a quick listen in the context of Cereal.
Andrew	The kids of Rutherford County.
Everett	Did I say children? The kids of Rutherford County. It is about a Tennessee County, Rutherford, in which there was a juvenile judge who was on the bench for many, many years and sort of had this revered position in the community, but was essentially jailing very young children, seven, eight, nine, 10 year old kids, even up to obviously the normal ages.
Andrew	So the judge wasn't a juvenile. He was judging juveniles.
Everett	The judge is an adult woman who was jailing very young kids and doing so inappropriately, doing so almost certainly in violation of the United States Constitution, probably in violation of the Tennessee Constitution and directly against Tennessee statute. And the story is about this young lawyer who finds himself as a juvenile lawyer, kind of sees what's going on, really fights against the system, ultimately sues this judge in Rutherford County to get this practice stopped. And I think that this stops back in about 2016 is when they get the injection. So it's been several years since this has... Which is way too recent. Yeah, right. I mean, it's crazy. This, the story is pretty short. It's really interesting. It's the type of thing they tell the story as if it is, uh, on an Island. It's really not, uh, but it's fantastic. It's really, really good. It's a, you know, as a practicing attorney, I thought, gosh, there's a number of things that are happening here that it's like, yes, this is what we deal with. We deal with stuff like this. I'm obviously not doing juvenile law, nor am I doing criminal law. But it provides this bit of a snapshot in a context that's much more important to humankind than what I do. I thought it was terrific. I just finished it up today. Really, really good. Pretty quick list. And I think for the full series, it's probably about two and a half hours.
Andrew	Yeah, only four episodes. It's quick.
Everett	Yeah, really good. So the second, and I should have done this opposite, but here we are. The second other thing I have is Allen Edmonds, Black Friday sale on now. I bought two pair of shoes, basically $200 shoes at Allen Edmonds. If you've been waiting on buying a new pair of Allen Edmonds, now is a good time. Bench welt, a lot of these are made in the United States. I picked up a pair of Danite sole, Fifth Avenues, and I can't remember what they call them, the Delray, which is like a split-toe blooker. $200 Allen Edmonds is the way to go. Don't buy $400 Allen Edmonds. It's not a good deal. $200 Allen Edmonds. Terrific deal. Andrew, that's all I got.
Andrew	That's a good, that's a good thing. Ooh, Park City lease up boot might be in my future.
Everett	Yeah, there's good stuff, man. If you, if you can get in there at 200 bucks, it's good stuff. Hey folks, happy Thanksgiving. Thank you for joining us for this episode of 40 in 20, the WatchClicker podcast. Do me a favor. Check us out at our website. That is WatchClicker.com. That's where we post every episode of this podcast, but also watch reviews and articles and other fun things. If you want to check us out on social media, you can do that at Instagram at watch clicker or at 40 and 20 underscore watch clicker. That's where we post photos and updates and we communicate with people and talk to people, uh, at watch clicker at 40 and 20 underscore watch clicker. If you want to support us and oh boy, we hope you do. You can do that at patreon.com slash 40 and 20. That's how we pay for all of the hardware, software, and really hosting for all of the stuff we do. Patreon.com slash 40 and 20. Feel free to drop us a buck or two. And don't forget to tune back in next Thursday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Bye bye.