Episode 254 - Watches Roundup for September 7, 2023

Published on Wed, 06 Sep 2023 21:34:05 -0700

Synopsis

The hosts, Andrew and Everett, discuss the latest watch releases and collaborations from various brands. They cover the new Worn & Wound x Brew Watch Co. collaboration, a fully lumed IWC for the Black Aces squadron, Oris' new recycled fishing net dials and their 4000m diver, a limited edition Laurent Ferrier sports watch inspired by a Porsche race car, and more. They also touch on other topics like Everett's experience with a portable wood pellet grill and Andrew's recommendation for the Apple TV+ show "Silo."

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett I'm doing great. I've had a go, go, go day. So I'm feeling like a little like jittery. Nice and wired. Nice and wired. But no, I'm doing well. nice weekend. I went to a bachelor party this weekend, but like a grownup bachelor party, like as opposed to the bachelor parties I went to in my twenties and thirties, this was a bachelor party in my forties. And it just felt, it was not tame, but it definitely felt more constrained, which was nice.
Andrew Cause like people are a little more aware of their limits when it hurts to get out of bed anyway.
Everett That's right. That's right. Which is not to say some of the people there probably, uh, not to say some of them didn't have rough days. Um, but I think by and large, you know, you just see less of the like just absurd things that can happen in that scenario. Uh, but no, I had a really good time. We went to, went to a nice central Oregon and did some golf and did some day drinking and hookers and blow. Good stuff. Of course. I didn't feel like I needed to say that, but no, I'm doing really well.
Andrew I needed to say it for you. Cause that's what you add to bachelor parties in your forties. That's what classes it up.
Everett Okay. That's what that's classing it up. Okay. Fair, fair enough. No. Other than that, doing really well. Busy week at work. Busy time at work.
Andrew Always feels busy at work. It's always busy. Otherwise, you know, you're not getting paid. Andrew, how are you? I am good. Obviously on the tail end of a weekend, I've had a weird like week and a half of like just kind of an inconsistent work schedule and family was out of town this weekend and it was just, it was kind of weird. So it's been kind of like for a weekend, pretty chaotic. Uh, but now I'm gonna settle back into my normal week routine and have some, beers with hair and talk about watches.
Everett Let's talk about watches. Cause that's what we do here. It is. That's what we do for something like 500 and what? How many episodes is it now? Not 500, excuse me, 200 and 255 or 54. Um, 50, 55 maybe. Yeah, or maybe 254. But we are talking about watches because cool shit happened.
Andrew Yeah. Over the last couple of weeks, there's been some excitement coming out of the not necessarily Swiss zone.
Everett Yeah, that's right. And to start, I think I'll just start with a watch out of New York times two. Worn and wound. did a collaboration with Rewatches. John Ferrer, one of our favorite guys in the industry, did a collaboration with Worn and Wound. And Worn and Wound does, I think, a pretty good job with their collaborations. They're always interesting. They always incorporate color. And they always offer just something a little different than what you'd expect from those brands. You know, Hodinkee has some famous collaborations that they've done with brands, but oftentimes it's just a variation. It's not kind of what you'd expect them to be doing already, right? It's just a dial color. Like, and it's a limited dial color and that's neat, but I think Warner one takes it a step further oftentimes. And I, and you know, hard to say who's pushing those things, but I think, I think that it is the Warner one crew that's, working really hard on these things with the owners to make something special. I think these are no different than that. So these are metric chronographs that they're calling the metric chronoregulator. Slightly different dial. There's slightly different dial layout. This is a metric. You can tell it's a metric, but all a little different. So if you remember a 36 millimeter Square watch, they're 10.75 thick, 41.5 millimeter lug to lug. This is an extremely wearable watch. Full steel bracelet, sapphire crystal, all the stuff. And these are great. We've got a red one, we've got a blue one, sort of a powder blue, and what are we gonna call that last color? Do they have a color for that? I'm sure they do.
Andrew What are they calling it? I'm going to say it's taupe.
Everett Yeah, sort of a champagne-y gray tan thing. Yeah, what do you think of these, Andrew?
Andrew I'm looking for the name of the color. I really like it, though. And like you said earlier, I like the way Worn and Wound works color into their collaborative watches. And I love the metric. And this feels just like a more fun version of the metric. It has all of the, like just the interesting things that you want to see in a watch that aren't weird. Like it's not a crystal dick, you know, right. Uh, that's interesting, like neat, but I don't, I don't care for it. Uh, this is something I really like, um, staying true to the design, but making some really notable and noteworthy changes in the name of this effort.
Everett So this is actually Werner Wern's third collaboration with Brew. Moss green. Moss green, okay.
Andrew I think I disagree with the assessment. All right, well. Moss green, sky blue, ruby red.
Everett And I like that each of these, maybe with the exception of the blue, the blue is a bit monochromatic, but it's not monochromatic. So you've got actually an incredible amount of color as you zoom in on this thing. You've got a pink tipped seconds hand, pink tip chronograph hands. So there's actually a lot that you've got like some like cardinal in the minute track. You've got like three different colors of blue. So there's a ton going on here. But as you look at it, as you step back, it is the most monochromatic of the three, I'd say.
Andrew I think it's because of how light blue that is, I think if it were just a touch darker, the light tones and the sub dials would pop a lot more because there's the same color variation. It's just they're, they're closer in tone than, you know, red and yellow and moss green and blue.
Everett And with the moss green, you get this orange. One of the pushers is orange. The other is like a matte black. Um, you get this like Navy accent color. You, well, you get a Navy and an orange accent color. Um, I think that pusher's green. Oh, is it? I think so. Well, I know in the ruby red, the accent is green, like sort of an emerald. Um, so both the minute track. Anyway, you're going to have to look at these things. We're not going to do them justice by describing them.
Andrew It's a very fairer-esque color play.
Everett I think that's right. So you're going to need to take a look at it. And, and, and they're really terrific. Yeah. They're really terrific. I don't feel bad at all about saying that.
Andrew Uh, 549 bucks, um, only 200 per colorway.
Everett Um, well, that's a huge, that's a huge, uh, collab order, right? So, and it's neat that they tell us, but you have 600 of these.
Andrew Uh, my guess is that they're probably gone. Are they?
Everett I don't think so. They're still on pre-order. Are they? Yeah. And it looks to me.
Andrew No, they went live today. Ordering opened at 1 PM today.
Everett And it looks to me like you can still get each of these.
Andrew So. Let's see.
Everett Anyway, really neat watch. I'm into it. I think it's great. And I think it's I think it's neat that if you. You know, maybe maybe you like. You like this watch, but haven't been a huge fan of it in different colorways or in the other dial. They're giving you options and these are really, really different than what you might otherwise get. You can tell that this isn't just Jonathan that designed this. There's more influences on it than that. And I really think that's terrific. Same.
Andrew Andrew, what's next? Next up for me, Fortis is doing some cool Fortis stuff. They are attempting to get space certification on their Stratoliner watches. And they're working in conjunction with a, oh shoot, with the Isrange Space Center, deep in the Arctic, launching these watches out on rockets. And these aren't rockets that are meant for, human. They're not human trials. These are all scientific space study effects of G-forces, changes in temperature, radiation exposure, impacts on landing kind of rocket study. So that's why Fortis is using this organization to test their rockets or to test their watches and try to get this certification because the rigors that these watches are going to experience on these types of flights far outweigh what they ever would in any kind of manned flight. Now, 13 of them went up, and they all came back down. They, according to Fortis, all are still holding their chronometer timekeeping requirements, sustained no damage, and are running great, such that they're gonna be sold. How cool is that? I love that this like the testing watches are going to be sold. I love that this is the kind of stuff that this company is doing because it's like it's so neat to see kind of a resurgence like like that. The time began again on the space race. You know, it was the last really exciting in the 60s and then just kind of like piddled out. And now people, private organizations, government organizations are getting back in on it and to see watch brand starting to jockey for position for the government contract is really neat.
Everett Yeah. Well, I'll tell you, it, it seems like there are some, well, in this article that you sent me talks about it a little bit, but it seems like there's some obvious alternatives to Fortis Speedmaster being one, but it's a 60 year old watch. Um, Casio, being adorned by a huge amount of astronauts in the last, what, 30 years?
Andrew Since astronauts, like, became astronauts?
Everett Yeah. Well, certainly since, you know, in modern astronaut days or parlance, the G-Shock and a few other Casios have been strapped to many wrists in space. And Fortis is kind of, Fortis is kind of, thinking about that in what they're doing. Um, you know, like Cascio may not work because there's this idea that you might be in space for not days or weeks, but, but years. Right. So having a mechanical self-winding backup, I think it's pretty terrific.
Andrew And also, you know, reduce the cargo requirement of having batteries there. And they cited the Apollo mission where they used a speed master to time their boosters. Like that's, Very cool. This is not as I would think of like a traditional space watch, though. They've tested chronographs and three handers, and I really, really like them both. This is not like a watch that had ever been on my radar, and it is now very much so on my radar. I think we've talked about this watch on the show, but... Yeah, but talking about it doesn't mean I'm really thinking about it.
Everett Fortis is definitely the space company at this point. They are pushing to be for sure. They're the ones who are, are really focused on it. And, and I know that they're working with a number of space agencies around the world. It's pretty good stuff.
Andrew Here's the cool thing. So the, the strata liner is 5,050 Swiss francs. So 5,500 bucks. Yeah, sure. The ones that went to space, 8,450. So if you're willing to just like go up by about 50%, you could get true space watch. Right. Right. That's surprisingly affordable for kind of the novelty of it. Yeah. Well, I think so. There's plenty of Speedmasters that didn't go to space. My Speedmaster didn't go to space. And well, and, and cost a lot more than that. We could get your Speedmaster to space.
Everett Andrew, um, how long has it been since we've talked about a PRX on this show?
Andrew Uh, you know, I think maybe two weeks, uh, because they're. Maybe two weeks. Maybe. And the only reason I say maybe is because I don't think we probably talked about PRX last week. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. Well, uh, we're going to break the, we're going to break the streak and we're going to talk about PRX again because Tiso released another PRX. Yeah. And this one's different. Finally, I believe the last time we talked about a PRX, you were a little like, man, why isn't this... It was.
Andrew Sometimes I poo-poo it.
Everett Because it was colorways. Yeah, well, it was the same colorways, but in a different size. Anyway, long story short, Tissot's done actually something kind of different with the PRX, and maybe a little absurd, but I think an absurd that I like. So they've released a small-digit digital full metal PRX. This is a truly 70s watch. Now, unlike the Pulsar-style watches or some of the other watches that have filled this void, this feels pretty wearable to me. These 70s-style digital watches. So the Tissot has in the past released a quartz digital that looks very similar. Integrated bracelet, small digit. This looks different than that one looked.
Andrew It's certainly an iteration.
Everett But also really close, right? Modernized, I would say. And it's a very PRX case. This is a PRX case. Really clean, really clean on the dial, on the void space on the dial. Um, you've got a date, you've got multiple time settings, both 35 and 40 millimeter cases. I think the 35 on this is a, probably a banger in gold.
Andrew I think that's the first time I could do a gold watch a little PRX digital.
Everett Um, and they've got a, I don't, I don't know anything about digital movements. These have got a Swiss made quartz, caliber DGT 2040 if you know what that is. Well, I don't know. That's cool. I don't know what that is. It's a it's a Swiss digital caliber. They're not inexpensive. No, they're not inexpensive.
Andrew They're lined up right with the rest of the PRX line, though.
Everett Well, with the digital. Anyway, you can get these from anywhere from three hundred and seventy five to 705 for the yellow gold PVD.
Andrew No, 450 for the yellow gold. That's Australian dollars. Oh, oh, I see. Yeah. Oh, I see. Oh yeah. U.S. U.S. 375 for steel. U.S. dollars 450 for PVD yellow gold.
Everett It says U.S. 705.
Andrew Are we looking at the same article?
Everett Oh, I see. No, there's a typo in the there's a typo in the article. Yes, you're right, Andrew. Yes, so $375 for steel, $450 for US. It is a typo. We're going to write them. Or for the gold. Yeah, these are cool. I do think they're probably, for me, I'm not saying they're too expensive. I hate it when people say, oh, it's too expensive. I think for me, it's probably more than I'd want to spend on this.
Andrew I think the $450 is probably a little north of where I would want to buy. Cause this is a fun watch. It's a fun watch. I could also just get like the $50 gold Casio and 35 and feel just as good about it.
Everett Right. This is 200 bucks. I'm probably now what I will say if they're 200 bucks, the bracelet on this, the overall comfort, the yeah, this is a much nicer watch than a Casio. And you know, we do this thing.
Andrew It's going to be super refined too. Cause it's part of the PRX line that they've been refining for what they dropped PRX in earnest and really put some ass into it like four years ago.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew Yeah, that's right. So we've got four years of refinement in here.
Everett You know, I've talked about this before. If people give me shit for, I've got like a $40 Phenomenado on my F91, right? This is like, why would you put a strap that's three times as expensive as the watch on that watch? Because it makes it more comfortable. That's right. That's right. Like I have that strap not too hair with a watch necessarily. I have that strap because I like the strap. So I like the watch. I like the strap. I think this is maybe the same thing, right? If you want the Casio, get the Casio. This is a much better watch. It's going to be more pleasurable to wear because everything about it is nicer. Objectively better. That's right. Yeah. So there's value there. I'm not suggesting there's not value there, but I think you're right. It's a little bit of a novelty with the dial. So you have to figure out if that's worth it for you.
Andrew I bet these will come down a little bit for the used market. I might snatch up one of these.
Everett Or they may even on the primary market be available for less money, depending on what sales are like.
Andrew I might snatch up one of the used ones. What's next? Oh, next. Another brand that has kind of been coming to the surface for us. Doxa has done a weird thing. Yeah. Oh yeah, they have. And it is Simultaneously very confusing. And really cool. The Doxa sub 300 beta. But in lieu of beta, they use the German S set. Yeah, letter. So it looks like the sub 300 B, which is how I will henceforth refer to it.
Everett Yeah, I do think they're calling it the 300 beta though.
Andrew It is a Sub three hundred exactly the way you think about it. All murdered out with.
Everett Gold accents, ceramic case, 18 karat gold at 18 karat gold. Yes.
Andrew 18 karat gold bezel and crown. I'm wondering how they slimmed it down. I wonder if going to a ceramic case, they they were able to shave some space because they're at eleven nine five on the thickness here. Uh, I wonder if that's maybe news of things to come with a 300 update. Um, yeah, maybe, but this is a, and the reason I say it's confusing is because Doxa does new things with, with some regularity. Uh, they'll release, you know, we just have the Clive Kessler, they did the, um, the carbon case, they do some limited runs, but they all kind of make sense to me in the Doxa ecosystem. This doesn't. This is like way out of Docsa ecosystem. This is like fashion brand release, but with, Hey, we're also like a no bullshit watch company.
Everett Yeah. Well, you know, it's interesting cause it, the people, like when I see this, it looks to me like a watch that a hype beast music performer might wear. Right. Yeah. But it's not hypey enough for that. Um, it's also a little impractical with the gold. I don't know. I'm guessing they'll sell these. I think they, yeah, they'll all sell. I'm guessing they'll sell these, you know, but, but it's not like this isn't like a fuck you watch or a GFY watch. It's, it's something different. Yeah. It's a good point, Andrew. I don't know where this fits.
Andrew It don't, I don't know that it does, but it also doesn't not fit. I mean, it's, it's all docs that they have the same crown or the same bezel engravings and timer markings that you can't read because it's black on black on black. It's it's interesting. This is a cool release. And it's I think the most expensive Doxa at seven thousand U.S.
Everett dollars. I mean, you for seven thousand bucks, you're getting actual gold, a ceramic case. The materials are are really hard to argue with titanium case back. Uh, and I don't know the article I read about this did not mention it, but it looks to me like the dye, like the hands are perhaps enameled. I don't want to promise that to anybody because I certainly just don't know it. Um, but it looks like they may be. So you get really a lot of neat materials in a pretty interesting package. I don't aesthetically, I don't think I love it. Um, like, do I need a murdered out watch with gold accents? I don't think so. But I have a hard time arguing with any of the components.
Andrew You can't. I wonder if they're going to do like a whole beta line of like weird one offs of luxury materials only comes on rubber, though. So it's a no for me, Doug.
Everett Yeah, maybe that's it's just too much to do all the to do ceramic and to do that black ceramic. in a bracelet.
Andrew Yeah, because at the point where you're doing that, you couldn't do a different bracelet material.
Everett It does look to me like the texture on the rubber bracelet matches the dial texture pretty closely. I wonder how that textured rubber brace or rubber strap is going to wear. I wonder if it's going to get smooth and shiny and weird. I don't I think that'd be cool, maybe. You know, sometimes rubber, like as it wears, it gets that kind of like worn down, shiny look, you know, I'm talking about friction. Yeah.
Andrew Yeah. Yeah. I think this is a cool release. It's an interesting release. And I wonder if it's a I just wonder what's next. Like why? Yeah.
Everett Like what? What pushed this? What pushed this decision? Definitely an interesting watch. It looks cool.
Andrew You look cool. I wouldn't push it out of bed, that's for sure.
Everett Uh, I'm going to talk about a watch with I'm going to talk about a watch that cost too much money for me to buy.
Andrew Is that OK?
Everett Have we not been doing that? Well, we have. But this one is I'm going to I'm going to go way north. I'm going to crank it up a little bit. Laurent Ferrier, maker of maker of quite fine, quite fine watches, has released the Ferrier Sport Auto 40. There's a lot, they give away a lot in the title. What you need to know is this is a 70s style 40 millimeter sport watch. Grade 5 titanium, integrated titanium bracelet, 120 meters of water resistance, Crazy in-house Laurent Ferrier. Microrotor movement. Microrotors, man. Bring them back. Yeah. One dial color. They're calling it Viridian Green Opaline.
Andrew Looks like Grand Seiko.
Everett So this is based on a 1970s Le Mans Porsche 935, uh, which I don't really, sometimes I see those things and I'm like, what are we doing? Um, green is green, bro. Yeah. This is one of those times where I'm like, okay, I don't, all right. Um, certainly we've got a livery library livery. That's one of those words I've only ever read and I don't think I've ever heard spoken aloud. The livery livery. Yep. Uh, and it costs 51,000 francs.
Andrew There's only 40 of them though. So you're, you're, you're buying into an exclusive club.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. Um, the car, the car that this based is based on is completely insane. I, if you were going to put a link to this thing in the show notes, go for just the Porsche because it's nuts. I mean, go for the watch too, but go for the Porsche. Uh, a little thick on this 12.7 millimeters thick on this guy, which 120 meters of water resistance. Okay. That's 11 points, but 51,000 Franks.
Andrew Can you imagine the customs? Like you dropped your $51,000 to get it and you're probably, you know, $60,000 at this point. And then, Customs sends you an email. It's like, oh yeah, by the way, you owe us another 10 grand to get this thing into the country. That's right.
Everett I would come unglued. So I feel like I've got to correct myself. I said 40, um, 40 millimeter. It's a 41 and a half millimeter watch. Excuse me. The 40 is the number of, the car of the Lamont's car. Uh, so this is a, it does not refer to the size of the case. And I'm sorry about that. Sometimes we make mistakes. Okay.
Andrew Rarely though. Uh, this thing is just beautiful. The handset on it is like just perfectly compliments the markers and it is really long rounded tip markers with these great sword hands, the color like matching it.
Everett Woo.
Andrew I might have to mortgage my house.
Everett Yeah. I'm I'm actually struggling with the thickness on this at it. Yeah, it's too thick. I don't I'm not an engineer.
Andrew I'm not an engineer. It's a statement piece that's by it's it looks the profile of it is the same shape as that car.
Everett No, you know, it's a statement piece. A Royal Oak or a Nautilus Royal Nautilus is like crystal dick and balls. One and a half millimeters or something like that. Like you don't need it to be thick to be a right.
Andrew This is the profile is the same shape as the car.
Everett It's not like this is a grand complication. It's a fucking micro rotor with Yeah, I think that's I think it's too much for this watch. I think it's too much. Then don't buy one. I'm not spending 51 francs on on what was it?
Everett We're 12-7, yeah. I'm not spending 50,000 of my hard-earned francs on a 12-7 watch.
Andrew Do you think they'd accept, like, ballpark francs?
Everett You couldn't afford 50,000 of them anyway, so.
Andrew Maybe not. That's a lot of hot dogs.
Everett I wonder what that would look like. 50,000 hot dogs? Yeah. I don't know. Congestive heart failure?
Andrew No. Yeah. Joey Walnut eats that many every year. Chestnut? Walnut? What's his name? The Jaw. I like it. He's a net name. Chestnut? What the hell? It's Chestnut.
Everett Yeah, it's close enough. I don't know why that... That one got you.
Andrew That tickled me. It's a beautiful watch. The colors on it are really great.
Everett It's gorgeous. Yeah, look, this is a stunning watch. Totally beautiful. I do think it's I do think it's too thick. I, I have, I don't think they can justify it being.
Andrew Then you know what? 12-7. Well, you and me are going to get on the phone with Laurent and uh, we're going to set him straight for the next release. Hey Laurent, let's get this right. Come on. Okay. Next up for me, IWC has done a collaboration with the black aces, which are a U S Navy pilot, uh, an aviation squadron. Um, and they've done a fully loomed dial and that's kind of the extent of the excitement for me, but it's cool that IWC actually gives a shit enough to be doing stuff like this and then release it to the public. So it is a, uh, 41 millimeter case, 11-4 thick, that should get you going. Same movement as the Top Gun, so it's the caliber 32100. I don't know much about IWC movements, so I don't, I can't really speak to that. They use a superluminova pigment mixed into a binder, cast into a circular mold, and then hardened. which I think is just kind of how all loomed dials are made because that's how you have to do it often. Yes. But it is cool. 6,800 bucks. Uh, which kind of tracks for buying an IWC, especially with something like this, where you have the black aces logo at the six o'clock. Uh, it's, it's cool. I want one of these.
Everett Yeah. No, I think they're terrific. Um, our editor in chief, Will is not, maybe I shouldn't put words in his mouth, but he's not, uh, been particularly complimentary of IWC. I think that there's some fair criticisms of IWC in terms of like how interesting their watches are. Not a company known for being out there.
Andrew With that said, I'm not a guy known for liking interesting things. That's right.
Everett They, I do think that they tend to make simple, in particular, any of the Mark watches or, you know, their pilots watches tend to be the bee's knees in terms of what they're doing.
Andrew They do one thing really well. That's right. No one shits on Nomos for not being interesting enough. All it says is Nomos on the dial.
Everett Well, look, Nomos is 30 times more adventurous than IWC. They just did a full loom dial. But that's not why you that's not why you buy IWC. And look, the ceramic cases, luminous dials, you know, IWC not necessarily known exclusively for its ceramic. I think it's sort of a side effect. But that blue ceramic. Yeah. And now here this black ceramic. Yeah, this is really Good looking.
Andrew This is my kind of thing. The adventure is that they put the black aces patch at the six o'clock. That's enough for me.
Everett Yeah. I actually don't love, I wish they had figured out a more subtle way to celebrate the, to celebrate the squadron on the dial. That to me is maybe a little heavy handed, but huh. Went in wrong.
Andrew That's how you use that, right? 23 hours of luminosity.
Everett Which is that's a lot, which is a lot.
Andrew I wonder what the like when they say it's no longer luminescent. Yeah, I wonder what it's actually like when it's when it's no longer legible is probably half of that. But to be in total darkness for 12 hours, it's kind of a long time.
Everett Andrew, do you know if the hands on this are also loomed? They are loomed.
Andrew Yeah. All loomed up.
Everett Only 60 meters of water resistance.
Andrew Well, if you get wet when you're flying an airplane, you've done it really bad. Oh, that can happen, right? It can. I don't think you're worried about your watch at that point, though. You're worried about your underpants.
Everett Uh, Oris. Oris made a new watch. Couple of them even. Um, I'm going to talk about the new basic B or us with a dial made from upcycled fishing.
Andrew That's my least favorite word in the current zeitgeist upcycled.
Everett Yeah. What is this one of those things that just you've heard it so much that now it irritates you or do you or is there some practical reason for you?
Andrew No, it's everything's upcycled. It's like the cool white lady thing to upcycle things now. It's like, no, that's like.
Everett Listen, Karen, stop upcycling.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett Just just recycle like the rest of us.
Andrew Like I didn't upcycle salsa jars as a kid. That's just what we drank out of because that's what we had. Yeah.
Everett So so they've made this in collaboration with Uh, uh, an organization called brace net, which I don't know a lot about. Um, but they are essentially taking CNETs and, and turning them into things. Um, I think bracelets, et cetera, you know, uh, Oris does a really good job. Oris does a really good job with these one-off dials and I actually found myself pretty enamored by a couple of these. Last time I was at an Oris booth, uh, I think on paper or on the internet, as it were, you don't really get a feel for what these are going to, going to actually feel like when you get them on the wrist. Uh, I think these are better than I thought they would. And, you know, the Aquus is. a really stunning watch. I don't think I'm a huge fan of the case and the lugs and, you know, the kind of integrated nature of it. But that's purely subjective. Objectively, this is a totally killer watch. And I think this organization sounds like it's kind of a neat organization.
Andrew Yeah, they do. They salvage what are called ghost nets, and I'm sure they salvage other nets, but they specifically seek out ghost nets, which are lost, abandoned, torn up, plastic type fishing nets that don't biodegrade, that just tangle shit up and kill things. So they salvage these things and try to rid the ocean of the byproduct of commercial fishing.
Everett And, you know, a lot of times with stuff like this, you, you learn on the back end. Well, yeah, they took this recycled product, but they, then they added a bunch of like toxic fillers and binders and adhesives that that's not the case with these. I don't know exactly how it works, but they take these things, gently warm them up. Uh, and then as they cool, they harden and they're able to shape it from there. Um,
Andrew I'm wondering if they're doing them in cylinders or in big sheets, like if they're, if they're cutting down cylinders of it to slice dials or if they're just like individually cutting out.
Everett And there was no indication of that in the article I read about these, but it's, it's a reasonable question. And, and, and look, these are coming with a Salida 201. Actually, I think it's an Auris. I think it's an Auris in-house or not in-house manufacturer's caliber, but it's a Salida. It's what everyone's using. You get the fantastic, you get the fantastic Aquus, 300 meters of water resistance, really phenomenal dial details everywhere. And they're, and they're 2,600 bucks. This is like, I think this is one of those watches for the person who is priced out of Omegas, maybe priced out of Rolex, certainly. Um, like what's, what's next? I want to get, uh, the best watch you can get for just under that next level of, I made it. And I think that this is one of, for a lot of folks, this is in that range. And I think it's a killer option.
Andrew Their sizes are weird choices. They do. There's two sizes available, a 43 five and a 36 five. So it's like real small or just a little too big.
Everett Well, I'll tell you, I thought that the 36 was going to be too small and then I put one on. I think it's actually a terrific size because I think the Aquas wears a little chunky. It is. It's thick. Yeah. That 36 size actually worked pretty well for me. I do think for a lot of like watch size traditionalists, it's probably going to be too small in the context of a dive watch.
Andrew It's 12.5 thick. on the 36 millimeter case. It's only 12 thick on the 43 and a half millimeter case.
Everett Yeah, that must be a, that must be a water, a proportional water resistant thing if I had to guess.
Andrew No, it's reversed.
Everett Yeah, that's what I mean.
Andrew So it's gotta be, it's gotta be thicker when it's a smaller case.
Everett That's my guess. Yeah. I think that the, that's the same with like the SKX 013 versus the 007. Maybe it's just cause they're.
Andrew They gotta put shit somewhere.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Really cool watch. I like these. And I like these dials.
Andrew They're really pretty. And the nice thing about it being something that's made the way that it is, is no two dials are going to be the same. Yeah, that's right. So you're getting like an interesting piece of artwork in addition to a baller watch. What's next? Since we're talking Oris, Oris dropped a real basic upcycling watch. And then they also said, oh, by the way, we're going to also drop something that can be dropped at the bottom of the ocean. So the AORUS AQUIS PRO 4000 meters, also only 12.5 thick. So I think your reverse thing is is kind of wrong here. Not actually 12.5 thick. Spec sheet on it is. Where is it? Forty nine and a half millimeter case. 23.4 thick and a 55 lug to lug titanium case in blue 4000 meters of water resistance comes on a blue rubber strap with expanding titanium fold over so you're going to dive clasp out of it using an oris caliber 400 120 hours of power reserve.
Everett Yeah, yeah, that's the
Andrew That's where all the thickness came from, not the water resistance. This is a crazy chunk. I also, I think kind of more a novelty watch than anything else.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew Like unless you're Arnold, in which case this would appropriately wear on your arm.
Everett Yeah. You know, I think we're in a weird, we're at a weird place in watches where, you know, early 2000s folks were buying 50 millimeter by 24 millimeter Invictus and there was I think maybe a collective rejection of that within the watch community because it's so excessive and so absurd but what we've seen in the last handful of years I think is some room cut out for those absurdly big watches. Look, this thing is giant. It is giant. I think that- You could wear it on a necklace and it'd look big. I think the crown on this thing is like 15 millimeters. This thing's absurd. And, you know, frankly, if you've ever had one of those early 2000s Invictus on your wrist, it's probably going to wear a lot like that. Now, Most of those I don't believe we're coming with anywhere near this much water resistance or engineering. Which I don't know who cares about that.
Andrew Maybe no one. No, when you when you were buying those Invictus, you were getting it because the MSRP was 700 and I got it for 250.
Everett Right. Right. This thing's fun. I mean, you're getting a ton of engineering. That's that's why you buy this watch, because you want something. Because you're an engineer nerd. Yeah. Just over the top, over engineered. It's got some interesting case back markings that I don't know. I don't know if they're practical or not. It looks to me like a, a feet to meters conversion. Is that what that is? So 10 meters is 32 feet. Okay. Um, yeah, this is terrific. Why not?
Andrew It's certainly interesting. Like at the point that you need it, you're not going to be able to read it, but yeah, nobody needs this. No, nobody needs this watch. No, no, no. I mean the, the meter to foot conversion scale on the case back. All the more reason to wear it as a necklace or as a dive weight.
Everett And it's 6,200 bucks, which is a, that's a fucking lot of money. Right.
Andrew But it's also in the world with the super deep with the, um, Oh, what was the Omega one? No, it is the Omega super deep. Yeah. Yeah. And then Rolex dropped one, the pro plops from coming again, like it's, Oris is kind of jockeying for position in that super engineered, super deep dive tech watch.
Everett Oh yeah. I don't think that Oris is behind at all. Not to suggest that that's, that's what you were saying, but I mean, I really do think Oris is right up there. Certainly with Omega, um, the deep sea. That's the Rolex one. Yeah. Yeah, that's right. I think Oris is, I think Oris is very much right in there. So, It's just look, it's a stupid watch, but it's fun.
Andrew It's certainly a stupid watch, but I. I kind of like that it exists.
Everett Yeah, I think I think that's a fair. I think that's a fair way.
Andrew I like that we're in a place where a watch company can be doing something not not like outlandish, but that they're pushing the technological envelope. In a way that can still be marketable, sure.
Everett What is the other? Sorry, just to shift gears a little bit. What is the name of that other, um, recycled plastic dial that they use? You know what I'm talking about? That's the recycled PT. Oh yeah. What do they call that? I don't remember. All right. Well, I'm just gonna, they probably call it upcycled. Um, yeah. Okay. You know, there's only one more watch on our list. There's two, three really. Oh, well, let me, let me go back. Let me go back. We talked about all of those. Oh yeah. Uh, rubber. Yeah. Bravo. Swedish company. Uh, and they make cycling watches, cycling themed watches. They've released the, third and final of their Grand Tour chronographs. Not something I'm super familiar with. Although when I say it like that, it feels like I have a ton of knowledge. So I can just, uh, these are watches theming Grand Tour biking races, cycling, cycling, excuse me. Uh, so they've got the Vuelta a España, the Euro d'Italia and the Tour de France. So, um, These have all taken sort of aesthetic inspiration from the races that they are, they're aping. Um, and yeah, so they've released, uh, the third iteration, which is, excuse me, which one is this one? I've just had it.
Andrew Grand Tour 3.
Everett Okay.
Andrew Yeah, this is it. This is the collection. Okay.
Everett Well, but didn't they release these? Didn't they? Anyway, so this is an automatic PVD chronograph watch with a terrific crystal. My favorite part about these watches is the big curved crystal and a really, really interesting dial. These are 369 chronographs. which for me, that's my favorite chronograph layout. I think it's the easiest to read, you know, depending on where you put stuff. I think it's the easiest read. It makes the most sense to me. You get that open space, just aesthetically, you get that open space at the top. Uh, and, and these are all different from one another, wholly different dials in a way that I find really charming in a way that I find really charming.
Andrew Yes, I so the the Tour de France is a primarily white dial with the polka dots that are famously on the spotted jersey, yellow three o'clock sub dial and a white six and nine sub dial. Yep. The Tour de Rosa, the Corsa de Rosa.
Everett Corsa Rosa, yeah. Is a. That's my favorite of the three of them, by the way.
Andrew It is lovely. A red dial or a white dial with a or is it silver?
Everett So it's a silver one. Yeah. Silver dial with like pink, blue, purple accents. Yes.
Andrew These are just lovely.
Everett The colorways are very evocative of of like racing kits, right? Cycling kits. My my least favorite of the three is the love Welta, which is the red. Yeah, and still really freaking cool, right? Yeah. Same handsets on all of these. And the dials are so interesting that I think it's, it's, it would be pretty easy to just sort of cruise past the handset. But Andrew, have you taken a look at the handsets on these? They are these relatively dimensional, They're not stick hands, they're sort of like sword hands with this really like narrow line of loom running down the middle. And I think these are some of my favorite hands I've ever seen on a chronograph. They compete very little with the dial, such that I didn't even notice until I had looked at these watches a handful of times. And then the more I looked at him, he's zooming on them, like fantastic, really nice polish on them. Yeah, I think that's my favorite part of the watches besides the colors.
Andrew They're really lovely. And with how different the dials are, you would never attribute these to the same family. They share a case, they share everything but a dial and hand colors.
Everett So this is an integrated cam, 62 hour power reserve running at 2,800 vibrations per hour. I think it's the SW511B from Salida, which I don't know a ton about this movement, but when you just the specs alone on it, 62 hour power reserve, 2,800, um, And with the size that it must be to fit into this relatively svelte watch, I think it's a pretty, it must be a pretty terrific.
Andrew $2,600, not limited at all.
Everett That's right, that's right. So for under three grand, you're getting a watch from a smaller company, a watch from a smaller company, but that is pretty well spec'd and looks to me to be pretty well put together. It's got a screw, a screwed case back. I really love that more and more. I love that. Uh, interesting pushers. This isn't just some basic B pusher. This is an integrated pusher. That's lovely, really great details on the crown. Uh, the case back looks great. The movement looks phenomenal. See through case back, looking into a really beautiful automatic chronograph movement. It's a lot of money. 2,600 bucks is a lot of money for anything. I know we always say stuff like that, or at least I do. Um, but this is a pretty neat watch.
Andrew I think for a movement like this, this is, you're like right in the zone of some of the most affordable quality mechanical chronographs.
Everett That Corsa Rosa. Um, man. All right.
Andrew Yeah. We've got markers on it. They're like, like reverse. Yeah, man.
Everett Andrew, we've got time for one more watch if you'd like to talk about something.
Andrew Pardon me. Um, yeah. Alpina had a couple, um, a couple of new drops, uh, in the way of the heritage carry and the star timer pilot quartz world timer. And these two watches just couldn't be any more different from one another.
Everett Yeah. So you've got like a, you've got like a tank.
Andrew Yeah. And coming in, in two colors. And I think I've seen this Alpina. So I don't know how new, I'm sure I've seen that.
Everett And then you've got a super crazy rotating dial world timer.
Andrew Tool watch, like Breitling-esque tool watch. Um, they're both cool. They're both, uh, well-sized, well-specced. I'm, I'm, And, and affordable, right? The, the, yeah. Um, the Alpener Curry is 1600 bucks. The star timer is a thousand on a bracelet and, or thousand 95 on a bracelet and nine 95 on a strap. Yep.
Everett Um, and Alpena's bracelets are really nice. Look, this, this Alpener, Alpener Heritage Curry is like under 10 under 10 millimeters 30 32 and a half wide it's a 30 32 and a half millimeter tank so it's going to be very dressy very thin the case looks phenomenal the crown looks great it's on like an aged brown leather strap that's right this is a it's a beautiful watch they did a good job making it
Andrew seem and look like you're wearing your grandfather's family heirloom without doing it.
Everett The Star Timer, I'm less enamored by the Star Timer. I think the Star Timer looks clumsy. I think the specs on it are unimpressive for the amount of money they're asking for it. And yeah, I don't hate it. I do think it's clumsy. The case and the bracelet, I'm sure, are going to be great. Quartz GMT for 1100 bucks like me.
Andrew You can. Yeah, you don't need that. But it's a cool release. I like the way it looks. I think it looks like a cool tool watch. It's not for me, but it looks like an instrument.
Everett But the Alpina, you've got a great movement. You've got a great looking watch all, you know, tip to tail.
Andrew That white and gray dial does it for me.
Everett Yeah. The font. So there's two dials. There's a black dial with a a very lovely but pretty simple font, but then you've got this silver kind of champagne-y dial with an antiqued white accent, and the font on that thing is terrific. Really nice font on that. Concur. Andrew, that's it. That's all I wanted to talk about. No more watches. Other things, what do you got?
Andrew So I needed to do a follow-up. A couple weeks ago, I talked about my Pit Boss tabletop wood pellet grill. Sure did. I was really excited about it. It seemed really intuitive. Got it put together. Everything was great. I had an opportunity to use it a good amount, and it was terrific for a tabletop grill. It takes a little bit of time to get the temperature. I'm accustomed to using a Masterbuilt Gravity Fed Lump fueled grill at my house. So wood pellets was new to me. Took a little bit more time to get to temperature than I'd liked because I can usually get up to 700 degrees in about five to seven minutes with the grill that I use at home, but it's a tabletop grill. So some there, I had a little bit more temperature fluctuation than I would have liked, like plus or minus five degrees from my target temp. But other than that, it was Great, super easy to refuel, easy to clean, very little like just mess, because grills often get really messy. I would pull something off the grill, open up the fire break, crank it up, burn everything off, give it a scrape, and it's clean. This is one of my favorite camping purchases I've ever made. Everything that came off of it tasted great. Great smoke flavor, easy to clean, really intuitive. Back from my excitement of it, I'm 100% saying if you're kind of in that zone of maybe you don't have space for a big grill or you want to throw one in your trailer, this is... It's the way to go.
Everett It's money. Still not what you'd buy for home use, though, at that price.
Andrew $227, I think... So for me, for home use, I would say no, just because it's cooking surface is pretty limited. right? You can, you can spend twice as much and get three times the cooking space and get something that's just arguably more appropriate for all the time home use. But if you're in like a small apartment and have like a little patio and you don't want to Weber charcoal or something like that, this, this would, this would do the work.
Everett All right.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett I like that. That's a nice status update because I know when you talked about it the first time it felt like,
Andrew I was just excited about it. And now I'm like, I'm still excited about it. I want to use it. I almost pull it into the backyard just to use it.
Everett Cool. Yeah. I mean, does it, does the size and the form factor present some, uh, conveniences that you don't get on a larger machine?
Andrew In the way of like, yeah, for, for mobile grilling purposes. Yeah. I put it on a folding table, plugged it in. and put it to run. It's easy enough for one person lift can get stashed away, but for a primary grill, it's not, it wouldn't work.
Everett Fair enough. Uh, I've got an, I've got another thing. It's a show. I think it's been a while since I've talked about a show, at least at least a few weeks. Uh, but watched this one kind of on a whim. There was, uh, I think I'd read a mention about an underrated show from 2023 and had never even heard of it. But it was an Apple TV show called, it's called Silo. Silo. Have you heard of Silo on Apple TV?
Andrew I haven't because I don't have Apple TV. So when I see something with an Apple TV logo, I just immediately ignore it.
Everett Oh, gosh. So you're missing out because I think Apple TV. I've seen trailers for this. It does look very good. We've we talked a few weeks ago about we talked a few weeks ago about the best FX shows. And I said, yeah, no, I agree. FX has fantastic shows, but Apple TV, I think you've got, obviously Ted Lasso, I think is perhaps one of the hits of the, of the decade so far, really, really popular show. But then you've got shows like Schmegadoon, which if you haven't, you should. Foundation, um, morning show, uh, really a lot of, and I'm sure I'm missing really great shows at this point for all mankind. If you haven't seen it severance, which is one of the most interesting shows I've ever seen. Uh, and so I thought, well, this looks good. And the cast is, and the cast is great. So let me just start from the top. Rebecca Ferguson is your protagonist. Really excellent. Rashida Jones, Tim Robbins, Ian Glenn, Common, David Oyelowo, I'm probably saying that wrong, Will Patton. And that's not it. There's more people in here that you're going to know and be like, yes, please. It takes place in a silo, which is maybe not super descriptive, but It's like a, like some sort of bomb shelter. All you know is that these people are locked in this thing. It's a vertically drilled and built fully functioning ecosystem. You've got social constructs that have formed over the course of at least 140 years, but probably more. And, um, you've got a populace that is being limited in its ability to question the past because it's going to keep everybody safe. When people start questioning too much, then they get excited and they want to get out. And if they get out, people are going to die. So you don't know anything as you get started. And as you move, it's the type of show that entertains you by revealing the context, right? Instead of telling you the things, it shows you the things by way of the plot as you go. It is at times scary. It is at times funny. Uh, really terrific. So I, I said, Kim, I've heard, I just read something about this. Let's watch it. We watched the first episode. We watched the second episode. We watched the third episode and it was like, Hey, we ought to get some sleep. Bottom line. We grinded this thing in like three days because it was so Freaking good. In fact, we finished it. It's the first time in a long time we finished it and I was like, Oh, I wish we had gone slower because it was so stinking good. The acting is phenomenal. The storylines are phenomenal. You know, these shows, these really kind of over, uh, uh, you know, ambitious sci-fi shows sometimes in the middle, we'll get a little grindy or a little, there was a couple of times where I felt like, but it, always landed. Every trick where in the air you were like, meh, it's gonna flop, it landed the trick. Really, really excellent. Probably, I think I talked about Station Eleven was the last show I've talked about on our podcast. I don't think this is quite as remarkable as Station Eleven. But besides Station Eleven, one of my favorite shows that I've seen in quite a few years. And there's going to be more. Unlike Station 11, Station 11 was one and done. This is clearly, uh, it's already been, it's already been bought for future seasons. It's already been picked up for the next season. So. Excellent. Terrific. We've done it. Once again, anything else you want to add before we go?
Andrew Not a lot of things.
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