Episode 248 - Watches Roundup for July 27, 2023

Published on Wed, 26 Jul 2023 21:41:10 -0700

Synopsis

This podcast episode covers various topics related to watches, including new releases, microbrands, and watches featured in movies. The hosts discuss the new Laurier Hydra GMT watch, the Seiko SB006 Alpinist limited edition, and the vintage Heuer watches worn by Ryan Gosling in the movie Barbie. They also talk about microbrand watches like Real Time and Felix Toucan, as well as updates from brands like Formex and Monta. Additionally, they cover other subjects like a Disney cookbook and different whiskey labels, particularly the Johnny Walker Green Label.

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Speaker
Andrew	Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20 The Watch Cooker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Everett	Everett, how are you? Just fantastic. Really good. Just making all the good things happen. Yeah, I don't know. That's all just nonsense. I'm fine, Andrew.
Andrew	Just normal.
Everett	normal. I had to drive all day at a hearing. It's like three hours away. It's a very short hearing, but still being in the car for three hours as the bread on my hearing sandwich. I just don't like driving. Some people will drive all day and they're like, Oh, so nice. It's just in the car. Listen to music. Like I get that, but also I get back and I'm freaking wiped out.
Andrew	Yeah. But you get to bill all that time. Don't you?
Everett	Oh yeah.
Andrew	Yeah. Yes I do. That's, crank an audio book on. I'd start practicing like in Idaho so you can drive to Idaho all the time and just bill it.
Everett	Yeah. I mean, it's all gravy too, right? You know, those are several thousand dollar days. Fantastic. Um, Andrew, how are you?
Andrew	I am good. I had a, I don't know, normal weekend, like nothing exceptional or big, just normal, but good.
Everett	Perfectly adequate. Anything to report? No.
Andrew	No.
Everett	I don't think we've done it. Well, good, because we're talking about watches today. And as we do, we are talking about new or interesting watch things that we've read about or heard about or how rumped about in the watch world.
Andrew	We're neckbearding today. Yeah, you might. I'm not. We're gonna, we're gonna opine. Make some hot takes.
Everett	Taking, taking it hot. So I decided I would like to lead because you always go first. And I want to lead in what I think is the most interesting watch thing that I saw in the last couple of weeks, which is that Loreno Lorenzo Ortega of Laurier watches released a couple of not Not brand new watches. Old watches, but they have iterated on them. So both with the Hyperion and the Hydra, the Hyperion being sort of their icon GMT watch, now coming with a Miyota 9075. And fair to say the Hyperion is more of the same. This is a watch that really doesn't need to be fussed with all of that much. And they haven't. And they just haven't. This is a very thin, 10.7 thick, 39 millimeter, they call it archetypal GMT watch. Now with the Miota 6075. $699. Oh, $599 I believe. Yeah, $599. Not a lot more to say about that. It's a Laurier case. It's a Laurier dial. It's a Hyperion. It's phenomenal. However, in releasing the Hyperion, Laurier also introduced its new Hydra and wowie zowie, this thing is phenomenal. So Hydra, you may remember started off as a evil organization trying to destroy the world. three hand single crown dive-ish watch. And then the Hydra 2, Andrew and I remember, I remember Andrew and I discussing that when it came out. That was when they introduced their compressor style twin crown, dual crown. And it was like, okay, okay, Laurier, I see what you're doing. And I like it. I really like that case. Well, not Not one to rest on their laurels. The Hydra is back and it's totally different. This is now a Miota 6075.
Andrew	It's back to what it was when it was released.
Everett	Flyer GMT, single crown, very much a Laurier from the second you look at it. But we're getting a very different watch from anything Laurier has ever released. We've now got a fixed 24-hour track. We've got a numeraled bezel, clearly a dive watch, but a dive GMT, kind of a, got a traveler, no shit sports watch. What do you think about this thing, man?
Andrew	I, I'm intrigued by it because it's kind of different than anything they've done before in that it's almost like a It's a modern iteration of a very vintagey watch because when you look through the rest of their portfolio, you know, they've, they've expanded over the last couple of years, but everything's kind of in that same very classic vein. And this looks the part, but it is different.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	What do you mean? It's a, It's a modern watch. It is. I mean, and at least in the way that I, when I think about Lori, I think about very classic styling, very classic movements and complications, simplicity, but incorporating this kind of diver GMT into the lineup that looks the part is cool. And I like it. And it's really subtle. It's kind of just, it's like, Hey, we're here. Don't, don't worry. We haven't left. I like it. I love this, this bezel, this 24 hour ring on the inside. This is, this is good. Doesn't Frank have one of these?
Everett	Yeah. So Frank picked up one of these and I believe his words were maybe my favorite micro brand watch ever. Yes. Uh, which, that's saying something. Frank's had a lot of watches. Um, it's really, to me, I actually don't get the, the wholly modern thing. Being a dive GMT is certainly not a new concept, but I do, I do. I think I'm picking up kind of what you're saying, right? This is, this is sort of an evolution for Laurier. This is a little bit different. We've still got the acrylic crystal. We've still got the really, like at this point for me, iconic Laurier lines in the lugs and the bracelet. I think it's terrific. Um, yeah, I think it's terrific.
Andrew	I think it's an interesting iteration from where Hydra began and almost wonder if, if this maybe warrants its own moniker.
Everett	Yeah. Well, Laurier Hydra One was not a GMT, was it? No. Yeah. You know, I think that they're just, I think that this is their, we're going to keep it, keep it moving. Watch, you know, maybe this is the final version. I'm not sure, but we've got three versions of the Hydra now, and we have three very different watches. Yeah. 12.2 thick on this, which I think is pretty impressive. That is, does not include the, the domed crystal height, but That domed crystal doesn't really count anyway. This is a really, a really neat watch. It does have a bit of a chunk. The case has got some chunkiness to it, but it's 41 millimeters, which I think is the biggest watch Laurier's ever made.
Andrew	Cause Hydra one was kind of, uh, pretty overlappy with the Neptune.
Everett	And you and I talked about that when they introduced the dual stick.
Andrew	Yeah. And then the, then they put the twin stick in for two. And now three, they're like, Oh, we're going to remove that crown again. And we're going to make it a GMT. It's an interesting evolution for the Hydra.
Everett	Yeah. I think it'll be interesting to see. It'll be interesting to see if they reintroduce the dual crown at some point. Cause yeah, the, the, the Hydra, the original Hydra and the Neptune, were virtually the same watch with the Hydra having those long stick markers and the non-numeral bezel.
Andrew	It was almost like their dressy diver. Yeah. But now it is wholly standalone. And honestly, I think we're to the point now where the Hydra and the Hyperion are kind of playing in the same space where Hydra was
Everett	Previously with Neptune well both very cool watches both Hyperion super cool both both available now Via the Laurier website.
Andrew	I think that they are both available The Hydra is On the website says subscribe for updates Yeah I'm not sure if that means it might and it might not quite be lunch Yeah, it might just be announced.
Everett	No, first run of this production batch is now sold out. Mid to late August is when they'll return. So yeah, there'll be more.
Andrew	And it's cool too to see, uh, you know, it's, it's only what a year since we've seen truly accessible GMTs, or maybe it's two years. Cause that was when the Hyperion and the, um, what was that? What was the Baltics? comparison. Yeah. But even then we're in a minute or a thousand.
Everett	Yeah. I think we're in a different class with the Miyota. We're in a different class of movements with the Seiko and Miyota movements out there. So, and these Miyota movements, these 9075s are coming in cheap.
Andrew	So it's great to see GMTs under a bill.
Everett	Well, yay Laurier. Good, good watches. Andrew, what do you got man?
Andrew	Ooh, uh, my first step for me. The Seiko SZ-SB006 Tic Tac. It is the 35th anniversary limited edition JDM Alpinist. I say JDM because it means that you're not going to be able to get them for a while. A little bit of a bummer. But it's The oh gosh, what would you call this generation of alpinist?
Everett	I think that these are Laurel alpinists. Is this different than the Tic Tac that came out a few years ago?
Andrew	I think it's just wearing the Tic Tac name. I think it's still a Tic Tac. By it being this this iteration of alpinist. Um, but I saw an on the wrist story of it, read it, looked at this watch and man, I, I love this alpinist. This is the single crown alpinist. Um, it's not the newest, uh, kind of textured dial. That's very, um, very OG alpinist, very explorer, very, Yeah it's a pretty flat texture. Smith's texture with the Mercedes hands like this is this is my jam and I want one but it's gonna be a while.
Everett	Well so the the link you sent me shows that these are out of production but you can still get them from Tic Tac out of Japan.
Andrew	Mm-hmm.
Everett	So Maybe that's something to look into. I might do that. Yeah, these are cool. So I really like the Alpinist line because of how many different versions of watch. This is the one that feels the most, I don't know, explorer to me, right? This is the one that feels the most sort of classic retro iconic watch.
Andrew	This is like the original DNA of it. I really like the dual crown version. I'm not such a big fan of the current iteration of them. Uh, I don't like the texture on the dial. I'm not like, there's just a couple of things that don't quite resonate with me. Um, but this iteration is I'm for it. Cool. Watch me all the size you want. Yeah. Yeah, what are the specs on these? Um, so it's 40 millimeter case, obviously, uh, 48 long 11 thick and a 20 millimeter lug width, a hundred meters of water resistance. I don't know why they didn't do a screw down crown, but they did not do a screw down crown. But we're still, we're still sitting at a hundred, even with that, um, 375 euros. So 400 bucks.
Everett	I think you should go find yourself one.
Andrew	I need to send mine to Evan.
Everett	It's a little too big, a little too big for your daily wear, I think, but might be fun to splash it in. 40 millimeters? Too big? I mean, you're wearing a 36 right now.
Andrew	Yeah, but most of the watches that I wear on a regular basis are about that size. Anyway, I like it. It's the first time that I'd seen this, the version of the, of the Tic Tac. And I got excited about it. I like it. It looks cool.
Everett	So I've got a new release from Bulova. It's actually an old release from Bulova that they were re-released just recently. This is a 1970s watch referred to as a Jetstar. And the new release is also called the Jetstar. This is a very 70s watch. Funky. They've got this in a few different colorways. There's a pretty beautiful red ombre dial with black and red markers. Hmm. There is kind of a root beery gold case with brown and gold markers and a lovely gold dial. It's like an AMW gold. Yeah, that's right. And then they've got a silver, which is my favorite of the bunch. Silver with a blue chapter ring and red accents. These are all These are all precisionists. So 262 Hertz. So you get a smooth sweep, very cool, very cool accuracy, very cool sweep, much smoother sweep than any mechanical watch. Um, and these are like, I think they're just kind of bangers. They're 600 bucks. They're super classic stylings. They've come on a bracelet, uh, which looks okay. butterfly clasp or a pretty beautiful, the gold comes on a beautiful brown kind of perforated strap with these pretty striking yellow accents. Um, you know, this release is kind of funny because it's, I didn't read, I didn't read a lot about it. I didn't hear anything about it. Nobody's talking about it. It's because it's Bulova and then they finally showed up. But then I look at this thing and I'm like, Dude, this is a 40 millimeter cushion cased octagonal dial re-release. This thing is rad.
Andrew	The only bummer part is that the silver dial is the limited edition. Yeah. They're making, I mean, which limited, there's 7,300 pieces, but, um, but that's the best one.
Everett	Yeah. Well, but I think you'll be able find these. I don't know. They bulleted it.
Andrew	They were like, you know what we're going to do? We're going to make our best watch the only one you're not going to be able to get forever.
Everett	Yeah, well, maybe maybe these are all still available right now on the website. 700 for the for the silver dial, which also comes with a beautiful blue strap and a bracelet blue 600 for the gold 600 for the red dial silver with red.
Andrew	Um, is there a bracelet to match the gold?
Everett	I don't think so. I don't think so. It just comes on the Brown strap. So if you want gold, you're going to have to go strap, but these are like funky, but not, not insane and retro, but not insane and interesting, but not insane. I mean, these, I think that these are going to kind of flow under the radar. Uh huh. But I don't see any reason why this shouldn't be on people's interest list. These are really, really interesting watches.
Andrew	It's because Bulova flies off the interest list, because almost certainly, very much like Citizen, when they release something, there's something tragically wrong with it that didn't have to be. And I don't see there's nothing I can bitch about with this release.
Everett	I don't think so. So this is a 40 millimeter Uh, a 40 millimeter.
Andrew	Oh, there it is. 19 millimeters thick. Yeah. 19. No, 19 thick.
Everett	What are you talking about? Okay. So 40 millimeters wide, 20 millimeters lugs, 50 meter water resistance, which, okay, whatever. Uh, they look different than the originals. If you see the original, it's a really weird cushion case. These are way less weird. than the original version. And so maybe, maybe that's what I don't know. I think these are really cool.
Andrew	These are really cool. This is one of my favorite Bulova releases yet.
Everett	And it's just like, this is just a really rad watch. You should buy this. I think Bulova tends to lean into the retro in a way that's not for everybody with their colored markers and, and you know, high contrast color dials. Yeah, I think this is a pretty good one. I am worried that that bracelet's going to be a total turd. That's my only concern about this watch.
Andrew	Eh, I don't know. Bulova tends to do pretty good with their bracelets.
Everett	Yeah, hard to say. Andrew, what do you got next?
Andrew	Sorry, I'm busy. Oh, I have an interesting thing. So there's a lot of non-English words. Yes, there are. In this article.
Everett	Um. Well, thank you, Ben, just generally.
Andrew	No, well, in general, yeah, there's a lot, but, and typically I don't use those words. Uh, in this article, there's a lot of non-English names, which are even harder than words. So a tornado hit Le Chou de Font, maybe? I think that's close. Significant damage to the area. Uh, and here's why that matters.
Everett	And that was yesterday, right? Yes.
Andrew	Here's why that matters to us. You know, in, in watches specifically, um, Salida has got a manufacturing facility there and it was damaged by the storm. Um, and that like there's, there's photos of it and you're like, oh, it was damaged by the storm. No, it looks like Tennessee, um, kind of damage went through there. So why that matters is that's going to cause a production hiccup for a while. And I would like, as I'm thinking about this, I was like, okay, you know, we we've dealt with, production and manufacturing and supply chain issues in the very recent history. And we deal with it kind of annually out of China, but that because it's so consistent, the workarounds have been developed. And I'm curious to see how this impacts companies like Manta and Christopher Ward and people who are using either Salida or Salida modified movements. I'm wondering what the downstream impact is going to be of this facility being so severely damaged in the storm in a storm.
Everett	Yeah. So what I was, what I was reading is that, um, logistics and parts weren't affected, but that, but they're actually, their assembly is going to be down for upwards of a month and that will impact, right? So I think Salida makes over a million a year, I was going to say seven digits of movements every year. And so we're talking about, you know, maybe a hundred thousand movements. that are going to be delayed or don't go out and whether or not they have the ability to carry that with stock or to, you know, ramp up production after things are back up. We don't know, right?
Andrew	And the interesting part there is because of where it is. So we know Solita has been damaged because Solita has been willing to talk to people. Breitling, Cartier, Tag Heuer, all also operate in that area. And it's unknown if they were impacted at all. And it's crazy to me that a tornado can have such a impact on this stupid hobby that we have. And that I'm interested by it.
Everett	Are tornadoes common in In Switzerland, it seems like the elevation is wrong or the the everything latitude is wrong for that.
Andrew	Yeah. I mean, it says a possible tornado. So I think that's maybe one of the more shocking things is that we're seeing tornadoes at that high of a latitude. Longitude, longitude. Longitude goes up and down.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. Latitude goes. Longitude is side to side. Latitude is up and down like a ladder. That's how I remember it. Latitude.
Andrew	I have to say it because your mouth makes the shape. Yeah.
Everett	Hmm. So do you ever read? No. Warn and Wounds micro brand? I read Mike's articles. Review. So Warn and Wounds does a, I can't remember what they call it, but.
Andrew	It's like micro Mondays, isn't it? No, that's for Tello that doesn't micro Mondays.
Everett	It's like a monthly release that they have. Whenever I see it, I check it out. And usually I, you know, more and more frequently there's things that I'm like, okay. Uh, but their latest issue or, or, uh, their latest post there had a handful of different micro brands that they featured, but two of them in particular caught my eye. And I'm just gonna kind of blast through both of them here. The first is a company, I don't believe it's properly a Ukrainian company. I think they're somewhere out of central or, you know, Western Europe, maybe Denmark, but they are a Ukrainian. They're a group of Ukrainian designers and engineers called Real Time. And these folks, or the watch is called Real Time and it's created by Zavod, which is, I believe, the company name. And this is a very interesting watch. It immediately caught my eye. And then as I looked at it more, I was like, well, shit, this is actually really interesting. So what this is, I think it's best described as kind of a flat puck in terms of the overall shape of the watch.
Andrew	I think that's a good description.
Everett	with a spinning disc in the middle, probably like the central 33% of the circle is a spinning minute disc. And then there's an hour window below that at the six o'clock. You really got to pull up the link. I'm not going to be able to describe what this looks like, but it doesn't look like anything else. It's not digital, but it kind of looks digital, but rather it's a spinning disc. type of situation.
Andrew	What's kind of the origin of digital watches? Is that window keeping date? I mean, it's a window timer.
Everett	Yeah. Well, they call it a disk time system, which makes me think that this is something that I just don't know enough about to speak intelligently on it. But it's a minimalist style. They've got this in a few different iterations. They've got a blasted gold tone. They've got brushed gold tone. They've got a mat and a brushed silver and a mat and a brushed PVD. Um, I don't know. It's just terrific. The thing that the thing that was like, Oh man, I'm talking about this on the show is, so I believe these are now on Indiegogo. They started on Kickstarter. I think they crushed their Kickstarter.
Andrew	Yeah, they got, um, They had a $5,000 goal and they got almost $74,000.
Everett	And so now they're, and now they're available via Indiegogo, but you can still purchase these. So there are, there is one special edition, which is called the wartime as a Ukrainian company you, or as a Ukrainian based company, or, or the people are from Ukraine. Uh, Ukraine is currently on a, time scale, I think, that they call wartime. So it's not like a gun toting. It's more like this is the time we're in, is what I understand. But 180, they're between 157 and 225 bucks for a single watch. Hmm. This, this brushed with the black discs is doing it for me.
Andrew	Is that the is that the brushed steel with a black disc?
Everett	Yeah. Yeah, these are all terrific. I actually really like the I like the blasted gold with the white discs. This guy.
Andrew	Yeah, you're getting you're into a gold phase. It kind of looks like an instrument. It looks a little kind of like compassy. It looks just because of the font that they use and the way that they've designed the the date wheel. But it could also be. like a heart rate monitor. It does not look like a watch. It looks like an like an instrument of sorts.
Everett	Well and so on the Kickstarter there's a video that kind of describes what they're what they're doing with this. There's an emphasis on the stars in the sky. So on the on the standard versions there's coordinates on the back of this thing and the coordinates are the locations of places in the world where you can where there's no where there's limited light pollution. So you can actually see the stars. Is that like a custom thing or is there just like? No, it's just the case back. So if you take a look at the case back, it's got these coordinates on it. Uzok Pass. Uzok Pass? That's right. And so each of the case backs is one of these locations in the world where you can see the stars at night. And there's also a time of an annual meteor shower that you can view there. So they've got this astronomy emphasis to these things, but which hearkens back to disk time, which used the stars to tell time with. So all that to say, I don't know enough about astronomy or anything like that to talk intelligently on it. Or astrology for that matter. But the whole thing is just freaking cool. This is a really cool watch. It's super affordable and you can get one of these for 185 bucks right now. Um, it's got a fantastic movement in it. These I believe are the Ronda. I'm going to talk about another watch in just a second. So I got to double check. Oh no, these are the Miyota. These are the Miyota, I think 2064 quartz movements. It's phenomenal. Okay. One other watch that I want to talk about. The real reason these caught my eye is because it's a Portland company. So also featured in Warner One's micro brand digest or whatever they call it. This is a Portland company. They're fully 3D printed watches made with no petroleum project products, completely sustainable packaging. Some of the stuff people aren't going to care about. And frankly, I don't care all that much about it, but here's what they say. Felix Toucan, that's the name of the company. Felix Toucan strives to be a company with low environmental impact. Our watches are created from plant-based resins. No petroleum plastics are used in any products or packaging. All packaging is plant-based and 100% recyclable. All materials for watches and packaging are peer-peered with ethics and humanity. Okay, blah, blah, blah.
Andrew	You know, if you were really mindful about that, you wouldn't start a new company manufacturing something.
Everett	Oh, well, I don't know, but... I don't know about that, but this is a Portland-based company. You can buy their watches online. They don't have a brick and mortar, although they say they're looking to do that. You can just go to the damn website, buy one of these watches. Some of these are really fun. Some of them, I'm like, okay. But they range from about $125 to $150. Now, what I'll say, these are 3D printed. watches and they're all printed on a, like Prusa 3d printer, which is a very nice 3d printer, but kind of like a consumer grade or, or maybe enthusiast grade 3d printer. Uh, and they look 3d printed, right? Yeah. These look 3d printed, but they're designed and they're interesting and they've got a cool movement and they're in Oregon. And some of them are neat, like the Time for Ramen one.
Andrew	It's certainly intriguing. What's the movement they're using on these?
Everett	It is a Ronda Quartz movement. OK. It actually says if you go to the website, there's a good hamburger at the website. It is a Ronda 763 Quartz made in Switzerland. Awesome. Which is a serviceable, I believe that's a serviceable Quartz movement. All metal. It's a good, it's a good moment. These are fun. They're fun. They're kind of stupid, but fun.
Andrew	I mean, they're definitely stupid, but they're fun, right? They're novelty watches. They're, they're like, I mean, the, the splat is a two hand watch with a, I can't really even make out what the dial, Is. But it seems to be this kind of flowing mixture of paint splats.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	The case is dripping over the crystal of the dial because it's a splat. There's a toucan on the dial and then PDX at the seven o'clock. Small, but still there.
Everett	And this isn't all what? Dimensions on these are a little funny, right? So so like the splat, for instance, is a 50 millimeter lug to lug 40 millimeter case, 25 millimeter lug lug width and a 14 millimeter thick case. These are not refined watches. These are are supposed to be fun, interesting pieces. This is not going to. This is not going to make any like most refined watch lists.
Andrew	No, but they've got 65 feet of water resistance in them. And they're all just kind of silly, fun novelty watches.
Everett	Yeah. 65 feet is not very much.
Andrew	No. Yeah. But for something coming out of somebody's 3D printer. Yeah. That's not not the worst.
Everett	Yeah. No, they're they're terrific. I think they're really interesting. I think I'll probably buy something. Maybe the Roboto. These these are I find these very cool. I love the fact that they're Oregon based. I like the fact that they're like Yeah, just check out this cool watch.
Andrew	I don't even think it's a cool watch. It's just like, just check out this fun thing that we're doing. I like 90s night. This dual colored bracelet is cool.
Everett	$130 bucks. Yeah, the 90s night, that looks very Swatch.
Andrew	Pink, very Swatch. Pink stepped case. And I have a two pattern dial. a yellow, half yellow, half blue bracelet, which I'm realizing now is probably a Ukraine, support Ukraine thing.
Everett	And the Lux looks like a Breitling.
Andrew	Yeah, it does. Or maybe even like a, a yacht master, that big bezel.
Everett	Yeah. These are fun. Anyway, that's all I have about that. But two new, uh, two new micro brands that caught my eye that I thought I'd, that I thought I'd shop.
Andrew	Yeah. The, um, the real time makes sense as a, as a, for me and a watch that you would be intrigued by. I feel like if I were to have mentioned Felix Toucan, you would have made fun of me.
Everett	Maybe.
Andrew	But you're into it. So you're not making fun of me. Blackout reminds me of. Oh, shoot, what's the most recent? Alien movie like the of the of the alien generation, not alien specifically.
Everett	The one with the with the albino guys.
Andrew	Yeah. What was that? My camera. I really like that movie. It reminds me of that.
Everett	What do you got next, Andrew?
Andrew	Next up for me, um, you know, it is, uh, what are they calling it? Barbenheimer weekend, right?
Everett	The biggest box office weekend since before COVID and like one of the fourth biggest of all time. Movies are back, baby.
Andrew	These movies are back. Um, so anyway, Barbie premiered this weekend. So did Oppenheimer. It's Barbenheimer weekend. It's all anyone's talking about. Hodinkee did an interesting write up on the watches of Barbie. And they're not what you'd expect. And that got me excited. So the article itself is by Danny Milton. Titled Ryan Gosling wears three different vintage Hoyer Carreras at the same time as Ken in Barbie. And that gets my attention because when we see something other than vintage Rolex in a movie, I'm like, Oh, I'm excited. When something a little off the beaten path gets, gets put in there. And, and if you're wearing three of them, that's a very intentional statement. It's getting some attention that's on purpose. I'm interested. So he was wearing three Hoyer chronographs, first being the Hoyer 1158CHN, the Hoyer 110515, And the Heuer 2448NT. And these are all dope. I'm not a vintage watch scholar or pursuer by any means. And these could maybe change that. You looking at these? Yes. Man, I am totally smitten. And I'm also so excited to see something different in something of this scale, because it would have been all too easy to go into any of the vintage Rolex or Omega lockers that I'm sure every prop department has and just be like, Hey, where are these? Or just wear some bullshit, you know, But they wore, they put on these three really cool watches and I dig that. I want to know the prop master for this movie.
Everett	You know, I think so. Gosling is actually a watch dude and he's known for wearing like, these are probably his pretty small watches. In fact, I, we were, I think we were researching an episode years ago at this point about, I think we called the episode size matters and I kept coming across these photos of Ryan Gosling wearing these tiny little vintage watches. I do believe that he became a Tag Heuer ambassador at some point recently. And so being a watch guy, I'm sure that he's, I'm sure that he's into it and pulling out the vintage stuff because he's a vintage watch dude. So these, in that context, I think these choices make a lot of sense and they are fucking rad watches. When you have those abs and that money, you should be. But yeah, I think he's a Hoyer. I think he's a Tag Heuer ambassador at this point.
Andrew	Is he? I'm going to look that up. I, I, that seems correct.
Everett	Yeah. You know, I, I don't know that for sure, but I, I do believe that's the case. Yeah. These are cool. Those are, those are fun. So I've got, yeah, he's an ambassador.
Andrew	Oh yeah. Cause in, um, What's the movie The Driver? Or was it was it called The Driver? Or Driver?
Everett	Baby Driver? That's a different movie.
Andrew	That's different. It's the one where he doesn't talk and he wears like the scorpion leather jacket.
Everett	Oh, yeah.
Andrew	Yeah. He's wearing a hoyer.
Everett	Was it called Driver? No, it's just called Drive. Drive. We're really close. Baby Driver is a different movie. A wholly different movie. Yeah. But they came out like at the same time, I feel.
Andrew	In the vicinity, I recall. Oh yeah, then the Gray Man. I never, I didn't make it through that movie. That movie was kind of butt. I really liked Gray Man.
Everett	Well, so I've got a couple of updates from companies that we know and love and talk about a lot.
Andrew	Oh, okay. I'm ready for it.
Everett	I'm going to blast through one of these. So Formex has done the Skittle treatment to its essence.
Andrew	It is not a euphemism for ecstasy.
Everett	In both the steel and Legera cases, I think the Legera is 43 and the steel is 39, but they released these in orange, yellow, green, teal, maybe light blue and purple.
Andrew	The photograph they use with these color stream behind it, the color match made me think that they were on like a ribbon strap. And I was like, well, that's stupid.
Everett	No, I think they're, they're all on leather, but you can also get them on bracelets. They're all in color match leather, but you can also get them on bracelets.
Andrew	Uh, and these yellow have color match leather.
Everett	These are black strap. Oh gosh, I don't know. These are essences, right? It is, is what they are. And there's not a lot we need to say about the essence cause we've talked about them so much, but I think these are fun. And if you're into the essence, but you're, not found a color that you like yet.
Andrew	They have them all at this point. So if you haven't found a color that you like, you actually don't like the essence. That's right.
Everett	And in final brands that we love, Update News, Manta announced this week that they are discontinuing the Triumph. I think the Triumph is Manta's longest running watch. They're going to recon at this point. And in announcing that they're discontinuing the Triumph, they have released this thing on a military olive drab green dial, which is very nice. Very nice. I actually really like the color of this dial. This is a Triumph, you guys. It's a 38.5 millimeter under 10 thick watch. My Monta Triumph is probably my most my most loved watch at this point in terms of how often I wear it and how much I enjoy wearing it. It's right. I mean, between this and the essence.
Andrew	It's it. Montez watches are just unbelievably comfortable.
Everett	That's right. Yeah, that's right. So there's only 95 pieces of these made. And I don't know I assume they're sold out at this point.
Andrew	Yeah. They certainly will be by the time you're listening.
Everett	They don't appear. They don't appear to be on the website. Oh, nope. It's still pre-order. You can pre-order right now. So 1700 bucks, which is the going rate for a Triumph these days. Green dial, unless you want to wait and pick one up secondhand, which may be risky. You can get in there now.
Andrew	I wonder what they're going to do with the triumph because, you know, they're going to, they're going to treat this just the same way that the ocean came when they discontinued it. And they made the, the ocean King one to two change was pretty dramatic. And then the two to three, right? We're on three at this point. Are we on four? I think three, three. Yeah. And then the, the two to three was less dramatic, but was certainly meaningful. And I'm wondering what the triumph, who is going to be like, like rather than just saying, Hey, we got a new one in the books. They kind of create this frenzied, Oh my God, get it before it's gone. Thing. And they're like, Oh, by the way, don't worry. Don't worry. We was pranked. Yeah. It's back.
Everett	Yeah. Well, and, and obviously they've already announced that they're working on a replacement for this. Um,
Andrew	Yeah. I discontinue it. I don't know. We've talked about this before when they discontinue things, it's weird language to use. And now we're accustomed to it with them or when they discontinue something we know it's, Oh, you're just, you're just upgrading it.
Everett	Yeah. I think there's probably a bit of marketing there. Right. I think that there, you know, this is the same way that the big boy Swiss companies do it. I'm thinking of, I'm thinking of Patek or Audemars. Uh, they discontinue a reference then to follow it up later with. So, so I think maybe there's some fake it till you make it going on there. Uh, but, but clearly it's an announcement. Hey, these are the last chance. This is the last chance to get these. Once these are, once these are gone, they're gone, which is cool. You know, Hey, thanks for that. Clearly they're intending to replace this with something else.
Andrew	Um, the triumph feels such an important role in their, in their portfolio.
Everett	You know, I personally hope they don't change the watch too much, you know, maybe a little bit thinner. I'd be fine with, uh, an updated dial. I'm, you know, but I hope it's still the triumph because for me, that's the best watch in the collection by a wide margin. It's my favorite. Um, it's such an easygoing watch. It's sort of that military field watch. It just does all the things exactly right in my mind.
Andrew	It does do all the things. I think they're, they might try to create a little more separation between the Triumph and the Noble. There's already quite a bit, right? The Noble is smaller. The Noble has a, has a little bit dressier dial. Um, they might try to create some more separation there.
Everett	They might butch it up a little bit.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	Yeah, maybe so. Because it's a pretty elegant watch. So hopefully, I hope they don't butch it up too much. So Andrew, That's all my things. What else do you got?
Andrew	I have a baseball. You've got a baseball? No. Uh, I don't know. That's all my, that's all my watch related things that I wanted to talk about today.
Everett	Good. Other things. What you got? I came unprepared.
Andrew	I'm talking about a cookbook. So we, um, my wife and kids and I, Yeah okay. Went to Disneyland last year and one of the things that I was like really shocked by was you're in like a fair but basically and all the food is really good. Everywhere. Like if you go to one of the little booths the food is good. Everything is just good. Shortly after getting back, I was like, just kind of perusing the internet and looking at cookbooks and I'm looking at, cause I like, I like cookbooks. I like to read cookbooks. And, uh, I found one called the unofficial Disney parks cookbook. And I was like, okay, I'm intrigued. And I got the cookbook and it came with. you know, all of the inspiration, right? So it has, and it's, and what's interesting and why I like it is that it has kind of the, the big hitters of every Disney property. So there's Disneyland, there's Disney world, then there's Epcot and there's big hitters from Epcot, which is interesting because Epcot has this huge diversity of food, you know, being that it's got this like global, uh, food thing. Um, Yeah. Why go to Europe? Just go to Epcot. Exactly. You know, you need a passport. You do have to go to Florida, though, which is, you know, it has its own risks and rewards. But this cookbook is like 12 bucks and it is great. It's got tons of good recipes, tons of good of like inspiration. And for people who have nostalgia associated to Disney properties, this is money.
Everett	Is this book licensed by Disney?
Andrew	No, it is not. It's a LA local who has like, I don't, I, I read her biography before I bought it. And she like just goes to Disneyland every day. Cause that's what she does with her time. She's like a member. Yeah. And then when you live in Anaheim or LA, it's like fucking whatever.
Everett	Just get the season pass and go whenever you want.
Andrew	Yeah. Uh, and then obviously he's made trips to Disney world and to Epcot to, to have these food experiences and decided to make a copycat recipe book. Um, but what's, I mean, cause you can copycat anything, right? Like you have something at Disneyland and you're like, Oh, I really want to make this. But what is kind of fun about it is that you're like, she's like, this is how you make this thing. And you remember having eaten that thing and you're like, okay, yeah, I don't I don't need to look up what that thing was.
Everett	Because I remember.
Andrew	Because I remember it. Tell me how to make it. What have been your favorite entries? The beignets and the macarons. Macaron? Yeah.
Everett	I really like the turkey drumsticks from Disneyland, but I probably don't need a cookbook.
Andrew	No, you just need an oven. Yeah. But I'm like beignets are super easy, but it prompted me to get like Mickey Mouse shaped cookie cutters and stuff to be able to recreate that. Uh, beignets are kind of a pain in the ass to make, but God damn, are they good?
Everett	Yeah. And macarons also a pain in the ass, but really good. Yeah.
Andrew	I brought you over beignets when I made them, didn't I?
Everett	I think you did. Yeah.
Andrew	Cause the recipe is like makes 80.
Everett	Let's ride.
Andrew	We're going to have some beignets. We're going to, we're going to eat 80 and I, I probably ate 80. What's the name of the author and the name of the book? The name of the book is The Unofficial Disney Parks Cookbook by Ashley Craft. Soon, I think next week, I'm going to do the Dole Whip. Oh, yeah. You're going to have to give me some of that because, you know, Dole Whip being this really famous.
Everett	That's my jam. Dole Whip. I will wait. I will wait longer for Dole Whip than a Wolfrid Space Mountain guaranteed.
Andrew	I didn't. I don't. I just don't get it, but other people do. And there's plenty of things that, you know, I like watches and most people don't get that. Yeah, fair enough. I showed Sam a picture of a Doxa the other day and I was like, I just want you to know this is on the horizon. She's like, that looks like all of her watches. It looks the same. I said, shut your mouth. This one's orange. You're so stupid, Sam. She's like, okay, neat. It's orange. I was like, but it's different. Look, look, this is why it's different. I don't see it. It has a helium release valve. Neat. Yeah, you didn't win. No. No, I'm still going to get it, but I didn't, I didn't lose either.
Everett	Fair enough. Well, Andrew, I did come prepared with another thing.
Andrew	You really came prepared and you used my glasses.
Everett	I came prepared with another thing. I did not bring glasses for the other thing, but that's okay because you had them. So Andrew, do you have a favorite Johnny Walker label? Okay. So I have historically been a Johnny Walker black guy. Red is just too band 80, right? Yes. That's a, that is really like, I might put it in a high ball, maybe like a heavily flavored high ball, but I'm not, there's no way I'm sipping red black. However, it's like 40 bucks. You can drink it straight from the bottle. Sip a bowl ish. You put a little bit of ice in it. It's, it runs just fine. definitely good in a highball. But I mean, it's not great. It is not great scotch. I put, I'll take monkey shoulder. I'll take famous grouse.
Andrew	There's lots of monkey shoulder over honestly, any of the Johnny line.
Everett	There is lots of scotches that I'll drink over Johnny black, but I like it. It's fun. I've had blue label. Blue label is excellent, but it's just outside of my price range. I mean, I'm just not going to spend that much money over 200 bucks.
Andrew	So I got a bottle of blue when I got home from Afghanistan. Like that was my, I made it gift to myself. Uh, I thought it was a little too hot.
Everett	It's hot.
Andrew	Yeah. And I honestly preferred black.
Everett	Interesting. Well, I do really like the blue, but for the amount of money blue costs, I'm like, I'm just not feeling it. I have had, I had gold at one point and I was like, okay, this is fine. I had the double black at one point, which is just different.
Andrew	I haven't had the double black.
Everett	I have never had green label. It just seems like it's in this awkward spot in the lineup and sometimes it's available and sometimes it's not.
Andrew	This is like a $60 bottle, right?
Everett	Yeah, I think $70. So got a bottle of green label and poured a really conservative little dram and Put it to my nose. And I was like, Oh, put it to my lips. And I was like, Oh, finish the glass. And I was like, this is the best Johnny I've ever had. I like it better than I like blue label. It was too hot. I don't think it's too hot, but I, it is harder for 200 bucks. It's too hot. So for 70 bucks, which is more than I'm going to spend on everyday whiskey. but not so much that I'm going to feel bad about like... He shared with me a full finger. My Macallan, you know, 15 or whatever, right? I can't just drink that whenever I want to. No, but you want to. But I do want to. This on the other hand, I don't feel bad about finishing a bottle of this. No. And it is so freaking good. So it's smoky, but not too smoky. It's smoky like Johnny. This is Johnny, but it's just... better. It's just better. I can't believe how good this is.
Andrew	Yeah. It's got good band 80 front, but not, but not like red label Band-Aid and not like the Freud Band-Aid. Yeah. But it's got good sweet finish.
Everett	Yeah. I don't know. I'm not, I'm not a super taster or even a Scotch condenser, but it's got like that sort of vanilla raisin. It finishes like, at the bottom part of your throat where you just get that heat after you swallow, but it's not like. That's called heartburn. Well, yeah, but it doesn't hurt, right?
Andrew	Yeah. This is like. I haven't had Johnny in a really long time. Thanks for bringing this.
Everett	Instantly one of my favorite scotches. And it was just the one that I was like, yeah, this is, that's the weird one. Nobody drinks Johnny Green. And maybe that's true. Maybe people don't drink Johnny Green, but like I've had Johnny, both blue and black very recently. And like I said, while I like the blue, it's just too much money for me to take it seriously. And while I like the black, it's just not good enough for me to take seriously.
Andrew	I think the problem that Johnny Walker's line has is that at its price points, there's something better. Like, and not just like, oh, it's a little bit better. There's something Definitively better at that price point.
Everett	I don't know, man. It's 60 bucks. If you want to space out, it's 60 bucks. I don't know that there's anything better than this. I mean, there might be things that you like better, but.
Andrew	But the Talisker Storm is a $70 bottle and that's. This is totally different beast. Totally, totally different. But this is a bottle I could have on the shelf because this has this is its own. This is wholly different.
Everett	And it's a sexy bottle. I don't know where it went, but we drank it. It's gone. It's a sexy bottle. We opened it. It's got a cork. It looks good. That big Johnny Walker square bottle. Yeah. I was really impressed by this. It blew me away. I'm on my second bottle. Wow.
Andrew	How many did you buy? Just two.
Everett	Like at once? I bought one and then I drank it. Oh, okay. And then I bought another one.
Andrew	Well, I wasn't sure if you were like, I'm going to try this and you bought two bottles.
Everett	Yeah, just this one. I think it's, I think it's 86. Is it? Yeah. So, and this is, it's their 15 years. So minimum of 15 years, it's a blend.
Andrew	It's not, it's all Johnny Walker. It's, you know, as is all Johnny, it's, they're all blended, which is kind of the bitch that people have with Johnny is that they're all blends and
Everett	Talisker, Linkwood. I'm going to say Kragenmore wrong, and I'm definitely going to say Galila wrong. Mm hmm. But yeah, they're big for. It's fantastic. Johnny, Johnny Green, it's my new go to Johnny. I'll probably never buy a bottle of black again. I'll definitely never buy a bottle of blue again.
Andrew	This is it. Yeah, I only ever bought the one bottle of blue and I would never do it again. Monkey Shoulder has been my go to scotch.
Everett	It's a good one because it's thirty five bucks. Yeah. I'm so I think I'm still a dirty bird guy, man.
Andrew	The thing about the I don't remember what what all is in Monkey Shoulder, but for that bottle, any one of the blends that go into it is more expensive than the the bottle itself. It's so smooth. It's so good.
Everett	Yeah, I think Monkey Shoulder is like the most common favorite cheap whiskey. I really like Famous Grouse because I think it just drinks a little sweeter, a little smoother. But yeah, and I think Famous Grouse is the most, the best selling whiskey on the face of the earth.
Andrew	So it could be. The world can't be wrong.
Everett	And I like when I buy Famous Grouse, I always buy Wild Turkey at the same time because I just think it's fun to buy them together.
Andrew	Yeah. I miss the days of being able to buy Weller at any liquor store. You can never find Green Weller anymore.
Everett	Any Weller? That was one of our first that was one of your first only things was Greenwell.
Andrew	It was among them. Yeah, I did this to us.
Everett	Yep. You you were in the right place at the right time to catch that.
Andrew	Catch that wave. Yeah. And it's just impossible to find any. Well, it's impossible to find any fucking buffalo trace. You can't even find eagle rare. Eagle rare is not great. It's like cheaper. But you can't find it. It's the only alcohol I have ever developed a taste aversion for from having been so sick as a result of it.
Everett	Eagle rare. Yeah. Just be a grownup and drink wild turkey.
Andrew	Yeah. And I'm a grownup now and I would, I would not do that again cause I'm a grownup. I know how to, how to drink.
Everett	Yeah. Well it's the most underrated bourbon I think on the face of the earth.
Andrew	I've been drinking Buffalo trace, like just the $25 bottle. That's some good, easy drinking yummies. Andrew and 10 cup recently liked 10 cup.
Everett	What is that?
Andrew	It's a color mountain whiskey and it's at a Colorado. I'll buy another bottle. It was good. It was kind of different. Sounds like bullshit to me. I mean, it's cheap whiskey. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not. saying it's not bullshit, but I tried it. I was like, hmm, you're kind of good.
Everett	Andrew, what else do we need to talk about today?
Andrew	I mean, we've talked about it all. We've talked about watches. We've talked about cheap whiskey, talked about good scotch. We haven't talked about hookers yet.
Everett	So that's coming up.
Andrew	That's on our next episode.
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