Episode 242 - Watches Roundup for June 15, 2023

Published on Wed, 14 Jun 2023 21:30:38 -0700

Synopsis

The podcast discusses various new watch releases and happenings in the watch world. They talk about a Rolex Submariner found by a surfer in the ocean, a new Vero Workhorse collaboration, the new Tissot PRX Powermatic 80 models in 35mm, a reissue of the vintage Tissot Sideral dive watch, the new Arken GMT watch, new Seiko Prospex chronographs and reissues of the classic Seiko 5 Sports line. They also discuss the new Swatch x Omega MoonSwatch models. Towards the end, one of the hosts shares his experience competing in his first disc golf tournament.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the watch podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Everett Everett, how are you? I'm killing it, man. Just, you know, wearing slippers. You did. I mean, too. We're wearing slippers.
Andrew That's the nice part about living like 35 feet away from the studio.
Everett That's right. Yeah. I just walk across the street. You live less than that away from the studio. I live it. You mean in the studio? You live in the studio. Yeah. No, I'm doing really well, man. It's, uh, summer's upon us. It's the kids last week of school. My daughter has her fifth grade promotion tomorrow, which is exciting.
Andrew Um, she was talking mad shit to people today when I picked her up. Was she? Oh yeah. She was like, what did she say? She's like, see you again. Never. Cause I'll be in middle school next year. You loser. I was like, be cool, dude. It's middle school. You're in the same building.
Everett Yeah. You know, just let them have it, I guess. Yeah.
Andrew I didn't say anything about it. I get it if you're like changing buildings. Yeah. To be excited.
Everett She's not changing buildings. Tomorrow will be the hardest year for school because all three kids will be in different schools. Even though Betty and Wes will be in the same building, they'll have different start times. And then Lou is in a completely different school. So, but then the following year, won't he go to Kennedy? He will. Yeah. So the following year they'll all be at the same school again, which is nice.
Andrew That'll be nice. Yeah. Yeah. So at least you'll have two in one.
Everett Well, no, next year they'll all be in different schools. Cause Betty and Wes will both be at the same. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. That's a, that's a school tangent. You guys, kids, man. What a life.
Andrew Just a pain in the ass. Andrew, how are you?
Unknown Uh, I'm good.
Andrew Obviously in the throes of summer, I had a good weekend. I had a really productive weekend, like a weekend where you don't accomplish much, but some big milestones were achieved. I've got bamboo neighbor progress. Oh yeah. Yeah. We we've got, uh, this isn't my other thing, but if you're listening right now, uh, through the 16th, Southwest is doing 40% off flights. That sounds kind of like another thing. That's not my other thing.
Everett It sounds kind of like another thing.
Andrew But they're doing 40% off flights, so we're buying a whole, we're buying all of our plane tickets for our plans for this year. Do you think that's because everyone hates Southwest after Christmas? You know, and our concern is that we're buying some tickets during about that period. It's like, you know what, if I get stranded at Disneyland, so what? Yeah, that's one of the worst places to be stranded. Last year during that debacle, one of my coworkers did get stranded at Disneyland and couldn't get out and was like, not that. Yeah, not pumped about it. He's like, no, no, he was like, I'm not coming to work. Cause I'm at Disneyland. I'm not in even the same state. I don't know what you want from me. It's not that I don't want to come to work.
Everett It's that I'm not where I intended to be. I'm physically incapable of being at work, but I will have my uniform on and I'll be ready.
Andrew He's like, no, I'm going to be drinking at the bar. Whatever. Uh, so, so that's just, you know, as a heads up that's going on right now. Uh, apparently Southwest does like this week. So for the next three days from today, so you're going to be a couple of days behind listening to this. They're doing like big promotions each day, like a promotion of the day that carries through the end of the week. Um, that's prompting us to get some plane tickets. Uh, but other than that, I'm, I'm not other than that. That's a good thing, including that. I'm doing pretty good. Yeah, it's not like smoking hot right now. No, weather's been nice.
Everett I'm, I'm happy. I'm pleased. I just have handed Andrew a watch. Uh, this is a project top secret watch. It's not actually that secret, but it's a prototype for the newest foster. So he's playing with it.
Andrew I have some initial thoughts that we can talk about off the air. If you're a patron, I imagine we share the thoughts.
Everett If you're a patron, there's a chance you may have even seen a picture of this watch.
Andrew I saw one on Instagram.
Everett Not at this one. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andrew That's true.
Everett Sneak peeked it. Yeah, we've sneak peeked this. So new foster stuff happening, which is pretty fun. But we're talking about watches that are not that watch today. And true. Having had a couple of weeks since our last roundup, we we thought there was enough stuff Some things have been happening. There's enough stuff to talk about. And we said, we got to get back and talk about some of these releases because some of them are pretty, pretty interesting. Yes. Pretty interesting. We are, I'll just get it out of the way. There's a couple of watches that are very interesting that we won't be talking about.
Unknown Mm-hmm.
Everett MB&F released a new watch this week, today-ish actually. Uh, and it's, we're talking about it. So real cool. but it's also unobtainium as far as I know. Also Breguet released a couple of new military watches and one of them looks, one of them has a steel bezel and it's fine but the other one is sort of a coin edge, non-marked bezel, you know a skinny non-bezel bezel. And I'm like, holy cow, but they're kind of out of like $11,000 watches.
Andrew There's a Vario watch that came out that I almost talked about. It just didn't quite land.
Everett Just didn't make the cut. Yeah. Just didn't make the cut. So with that said, we have reduced the list to a manageable handful of watches. And Andrew, I'd like to give you the honors if you'd be so inclined. Yeah, I'll pay attention. What do you want to talk about? Uh, I can, I can stall for you if you'd like. I know the watch that you should start with.
Andrew No need to stall. I want to talk about an interesting and kind of fun story to start the episode. So I read a story on Fratello, uh, came out this week and it's, it's just kind of fun. Title Australian surfer finds Rolex Submariner in the Pacific Ocean.
Unknown Hmm.
Andrew So it's this really, it's not a super interesting story, right? But it's just kind of this story that you read and you're like, I, I just like this story. So the story goes, there's this fella, he surfs in this area all the time. He snorkels in this area all the time. He, while he's snorkeling, cleans up debris from the ocean floor. It's just like being a good Samaritan. He's picking up surfboard fins and other stuff because he wants to preserve his recreating environment. He sees this little flash and lo and behold, there is a submariner wedged into the rocks, still ticking because The motion of the tide coming in and out all decayed, covered in ocean scum. And because of the way the sand has been running up against the the crystal, it's just fucked up. Yeah. But it's this cool story of this guy finding somebody's watch in the ocean. And he's there, you know, he goes on, he's like, yeah, you know, I've returned people's Apple watches before. And it's just kind of a fun story of finding this thing that is objectively very valuable in the ocean. And then it also kind of makes you think like, as you're like, Oh, that's cool. Like, wait a second, how long has that been under the water and has shipwreck amounts of decay and shit growing on it.
Everett I don't see any barnacles yet, but it's like, it's got salt deposits and it's, it's in rough shape. Yeah.
Andrew Still running crown is stuck, but still running. I think it's just a cool story of like beach combing, finding this neat thing that is designed for this. And it really worked if there was ever, of a watch that Rolex needed to acquire from a private collector, this is the one. It's like, hey dude, put a number on this check and we'll endorse it.
Everett Yeah, and I don't know enough about ocean, like how quickly an ocean will decay something like this. So I don't know if this is two years or ten years or what?
Andrew It's old enough that it had a previous reference number that had to get amended in the article based off of a dial change with that reference number.
Everett Yeah, so it's a 5513. It's a 5513 Rolex, so a four digit sub with uh, with a later dial. So at some point it had been taken care of and serviced and the dial had been replaced.
Andrew Um, so for a dial to get replaced when we're thinking about service schedule, that's not a very recent Rolex. We're probably looking like North of, well, right. So it's like late nineties at the, at the, at the latest.
Everett Well, I think earlier than that. So as, as a four digit, but the, the question I was, um, discussing perhaps was how long it's been down there. And I don't know. I mean, it's been underwater for some amount of time, but again, I don't know if it's two or 10, but it doesn't really matter because I think anything over a couple of days, if it's able to survive that, that's pretty impressive. And keep running.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew Cause of the tidal shifts. That's it's just, it's a cool thing. And the pictures of it, like it's exactly what you, what you'd want it to look like. It looks like it's been recovered from a shipwreck. The nylon on it is, it looks almost burnt. Yeah. Uh, it's, it's a cool find. I wish I would find that. I don't spend enough time in the ocean cause of sharks and stuff, um, to find cool things. Yeah.
Everett It's a cool, it's a cool, it's a cool story. Cool. Watch. Um, obviously not something that's happening all the time. No. Well, hey, I've got a watch that I'd like to talk about. It's an Oregon company. I hope you don't mind. I insist that you do. So Vero, Vero, a watch from Portland. Chris has been on the show. A couple of times. Vero has released, well, they released, what, a year and change ago their Workhorse, which is sort of their G-Shock looking type thing. You know, it just looks like a very fun, cool bull bar.
Andrew Yeah. It's somewhere between like Solabs and G-Shock.
Everett Yeah. So Vero released their workhorse last year. Um, and they have updated this. We don't often talk about, uh, updates or, or, or, you know, iterative releases. Sometimes we do, but in this case, Vero teamed up with, ADPT, which is the maker of very fucking expensive US made straps that borderline everybody hates, although I kind of like them. But they teamed up with ADPT for a Cerakotes case, a steel Cerakoted workhorse. And not something I on paper I'm super into, but then I look at this thing and I'm like, well, God, Damn. So I would, I would call this teal. I would call this teal.
Andrew It's appropriate.
Everett It's got a multi-layered dial chapter ring set up with a, a white chapter ring, bezel chapter ring with red and blue markers, maybe pink, like hot pink and then yellow bull bars. The whole thing just screams summer with this white strap. Um, you know, it's a nylon strap. Actually, these straps are terrible. I hate them, but it looks really good in the pictures. This watch is freaking cool.
Andrew The strap actually looks like trash in the pictures.
Everett No, they plasticky. They're trash. I, I hate, that's the one thing about this watch. I was like, what in the world are they thinking about this? But I freaking love this.
Andrew I, I would, if, if he did a blazers release of this with black, red and white, I'd buy it that moment.
Everett Yeah. Now I think, I think that that's something that could happen, right? Like. It's not out of the realm of possible. These guys really lean into the Oregon and Portland vibe. So I think this thing is super cool. I do believe ADPT, ADPT, ADAPT, is Warn and Wounds, like in-house EDC brand. And so, It's essentially a worn and wound collaboration. Uh, but I don't think that changes anything for me.
Andrew Nope. I think it's changed my opinion. I love it.
Everett I think it's pretty killer.
Andrew Really like it. I always think about the idea of summer watches is everyone like every outlets, like the top five summer watches of this year. I'm like, Oh, we should do one of those episodes. Cause everyone does one of those. But then I'm, I'm also like, My watch wearing does not change seasonally. Just because it's summer doesn't mean suddenly I'm wearing turquoise.
Everett Interesting. You, you don't wear different watches with like shorts in it, like a, like a lightweight Hawaiian t-shirt or whatever.
Andrew No, today I wore a Santos wearing exactly what you see.
Everett I definitely try to match my watch, like the vibe of the watch too. There are watches that I wear exclusively in the winter and watches I wear almost exclusively in the summer.
Andrew I do tend more towards rubber and silicone in the summer just because of the swolling of the wrists. And some of my bracelets, they just get too tight in the summer because they get all swelled up because I'm hot.
Everett I've been wearing my Solabs a lot this summer. It just doesn't. And I almost never wear that in the winter.
Andrew That's just not a thing that I experience.
Everett And I've been wearing my new Mars Moon Swatch a lot. You got a Mars? I got a Mars Moon Swatch. Direct from the Toronto AD. I didn't go to Toronto, but someone went to the Toronto AD, my friend Henry.
Andrew You don't ever talk to me about the watches that you buy. You never even tell me when you buy stuff. You never show me the things that you buy.
Everett Can we talk quickly about the Moon Swatch? Because I've not touched one until like this week. And I don't know what I expected. So I've read a lot about a moonswatch. I've watched videos about it. I've seen a lot of hot takes and this and that. I expected it to feel cheap, but be aesthetically cool.
Andrew I'm thinking it's going to feel exactly like a plastic Speedmaster.
Everett Well, it doesn't feel anything like a Speedmaster. It looks like a plastic Speedmaster. Here's what I will say about it. It's fucking rad. It is so well made. People thought, oh, 260 bucks, you're better off. No, this thing is fucking incredible.
Andrew It's Swatch. There is no dollar proposition with that company. There's no rhyme or reason to how much they charge you. Yeah.
Everett everybody who said it's cheap or whatever just shut the fuck up this thing is so rad it like blew my mind how good it was the all of the like case finishing and everything i was kind of i'm like blown away because i really expected this thing to be kind of like meh but neat no it's neat and awesome it's it has to be it must be it's because
Andrew It's a swatch group recreation of a swatch group watch. They can't do a shit job remaking the Speedmaster. They just can't and they wouldn't. They didn't. It's so good. One of the most baller things I've ever heard a person say was from Mike DeMartini, who said, oh yeah, I have the whole Moon swatch collection. That's pretty cool. He said that and I was like, are you fucking serious? Yeah, that's as cool as it gets. It is pretty cool. That's the best curated collection that exists. It doesn't matter what else yet. No, that's a baller move to have them all because some of them, some of them. Not going to wear very often, they're not great.
Everett Yeah, but I have it anyway. I got the Mars. That's always been the one that I would get.
Andrew I want to drain us and
Everett It's all yours. I got the opportunity and so I copped. It is really good. I'm really impressed with it. It's like, it's also a quartz watch. I've heard a lot of people say it's plastic. In fact, I've heard that dozens, if not hundreds of times. Oh, it's yeah, it's a plastic. It's not, it's not plastic. It's something like plastic that's made of 70% ceramic. It is the bio stuff like it's well they call it bio ceramic and I thought maybe that was a no it's 70% ceramic it doesn't feel like ceramic it feels like something in between ceramic and plastic but it also doesn't feel like plastic like it feels like maybe a carbon case or something that the substance it's clickier like when you when you tap it with your fingernail it's like this thing is freaking rad it is rad kind of blew my mind the pushers feel Awesome. I love it, dude. I'm kind of blown away.
Andrew I'd have really liked to have seen it.
Everett Well, it's right. It's 35 feet away, as you said.
Andrew It's not here. What do you got, Andrew? I am. Blown away. By what Tiso is doing with the PRX line. They drop the PRX and it is. A darling. To the watch and non-watch nerds alike. Drop it new colors. And then for us watch people, they make it a Powermatic. They drop it in a 35 and now it has a Powermatic 80 in it. And as we've talked about that, that, that power reserve, just, I don't care about. That's not something that scratches the itch for me. What does scratch the itch for me is that Tissot found a way to make it small enough to fit in their 35. They are doing such cool stuff right now. And I think we're missing it because they're doing it in the way of the PRX. And the PRX is it's, it's kind of had its moment in the sun, And we're all just.
Everett I thought there was some pregnancy to that pause, but it was just a pause.
Andrew It was a burp. It's had its moment in the sun. We're all kind of like. Inoculated. To it. They're doing cool stuff. Tiso is like. I cannot wait to see what happens next for them to drop a power medic 80 and they're 35 means that there's they've just broadened their horizon on the next step. I can't imagine that the PRX is the crown jewel. It's a stepping stone.
Everett Yeah. Well, you know, we've talked about the PRX ad nauseum on this show. I do think this is a great addition. Permanent collection. They've released it in four total colors. Blue, black, green, and a killer green, by the way.
Andrew That green. That's what caused the pause. And a mother of pearl. And Mother of Pearls is like kind of a, it's a, it's a contested conversation topic off air between us because there's some Mother of Pearl out there that I really dig.
Everett Yeah. I think this is well done Mother of Pearl. And you typically don't like it. I typically do not. And I like this one. God, that picture you showed me. Yeah. This, the green dial here. So these are all the waffle dials, which don't come on the quartz version. The the automatics all have this waffled out, and these are great. I mean, this is like maybe case. Oh, God, this is like but pornography. But for the fact that it is integrated, I would say this is maybe like one of the best just mainline by a watch. If you're if you're a person that is always going to have it on the bracelet. Yeah, these are so great. Thirty five.
Andrew Or if you're a winter watch person, 700 bucks for this with a Powermatic 80. 35 millimeters. This is sub seven, I think.
Everett I think we're like 650.
Andrew Oh, 695. Got it. 750 in mother of pearl. You don't need that. Don't, don't, don't. As good as the mother of pearl is just don't. Uh, yeah. 700 bucks. This, this could be, the problem is that it's integrated, right? And until, and they, yeah, they have dropped a, strap option for it, haven't they? I think so. Yeah. Yeah. They did do it. Yeah. So there's an option for if you get swollen wrists.
Everett I don't know if it's available for this one, but I'll have to look that up. I think 35 is going to be, it's going to be too small for some people for sure.
Andrew I don't think so because of the case shape. Yeah, I think some people- Because it doesn't sink at the lugs. I think it's going to wear like a 36.
Everett Okay, well, so you're objectively wrong. 35 is going to be too small for some people. With that said, I think it makes a lot of sense in that collection because there are so many options. Some people are not going to like this because it's too small. I mean, that's- I agree. You can't deny that.
Andrew No, I'm a small watch guy, but it's not going to be too small for you. When you put it on, you're going to be like, that's small. I ain't going to wear it for a day. Yeah, I don't two days and we're like, actually, I don't think I'd have a problem. This is kind of perfect.
Everett Yeah. Yeah, I think this is fun. 11 three thicks, which it's the PRX, right? These are great.
Andrew I, I super dig these and they're just such a great sport watch 100 meters of water resistance, sporty feeling, but can also serve as that refined sport watch on a bracelet. I dig that. And it's really, I think Tissot is gearing up to do some stuff.
Everett So since we're talking about Tissot, I'm going to keep it going because I think Tissot this last week released its coolest watch that it's released in modern, in the modern iteration of Tissot. Yes.
Andrew This is a tits out release.
Everett Tits out. Doing it again. They re-released a watch from 1969, which was a full fiberglass watch called the Sidderall. Sidderall, I think. Sidderall. Which had this monoblock case completely constructed out of fiberglass, which is an interesting material.
Andrew It's a really interesting material to experiment with watchmaking.
Everett It is. It is. And Tissot has re-released this in a pretty faithful reinterpretation of that original Cedarall, but with a Powermatic 80 and a carbon, like a forged carbon case. which is really neat. So the one that I've seen pictures of, and I don't, I think there's just the one at this point. Oh no, that's not true. There are different colors, but there's a, a yellow bezel internal like minute track, um, a dive bezel. It's a dive watch and it's just so weird. And interesting, it feels to me like one of these 70s watches that was like, I don't really know what you were doing there, but it doesn't matter because this is interesting. So this is a regatta timer. Um, which not going to do much for a lot of people, but it doesn't matter because regatta timers always look cool. Uh, and it's just fantastic. It's just fantastic.
Andrew I, I was kind of unsure of how to feel when I saw this watch. I was like, Oh, that's cool. We got the seventies vibe. We got the like kind of pseudo futuristic, but definitely not vibe. It's like the first microwave. We're in the future. Yeah, that's right. With a dial. And then I looked at the loom on the dial and I was sold. We've got the like CW three green on the bezel. We've got yellow on the minute markers at five minute increments, a purple on the minute track and then a green to red 10 minute. timer, a graduated green to red timer from 12 to two. This is like ball level loom. Cool shit. Yep. This is the kind of watch that I would only wear in the dark. Like you go to a rave. This is the watch that you must wear. This loom game is off the charts.
Everett It's pretty cool. So they have the yellow, which is featured in the article I read. They've got a blue. So, so the yellow comes with a yellow strap, like sort of a rubber rally strap with kind of a novel connecting system and that yellow minute ring. It's got a blue with a blue minute ring and then a red with a gray minute ring. And so these aren't, these aren't cheap. These are $1,200, $1,152 is, what they're retailing for, which I don't know if that's reasonable for you or not. But I think in the grand scheme of things, it's a reasonable price for a watch. I think Tissot is playing in that, playing in those waters where if they're going to continue to push, they're going to have some releases that are going to be more expensive than, than others. And this is one of those releases, but it is, I mean, When the PRX came out, we were like, wow, this is really neat. And then they kept iterating. We're like, they're still doing really neat things. This to me is cooler than the PRX ever was, ever will be. This is really, really neat.
Andrew Agree. But it scratches an itch that exists on a really small community. Yeah. Like our community. Yeah. This is for us.
Everett Yeah. Well, or it's for a guy that goes into a fucking Tiso store. Imagine seeing some of the best players in 1969 like Willis Reed, Walt Clyde Frazier, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on the same court as our modern day stars in LeBron James, Steph Curry, and Giannis. Comment. So you're looking at the worn around article. I'm reading the article.
Andrew It's like, okay, that's a weird, but I kind of get it right. It's a mashup of all the cool things that they can do now with how cool watches were in the seventies.
Everett And they're referring to Tiso's MBA partnership. But yeah.
Andrew Anyway, do you know how to say Giannis' last name? Antetokounmpo.
Everett Okay. Antetokounmpo. Yeah. It's a, it's a hard name. It's a hard name for me to say.
Andrew I wonder if he knows how to say it. Probably not.
Unknown Andrew, what do you got? Okay.
Andrew I'm having trouble deciding. So I want to talk about a watch brand that we've talked about before. Arken.
Everett Yeah, we had Ken Lamb. We did from Arkin on our show.
Andrew We didn't have Ken back and I liked it. We did have Ken back then. I kind of would like to see if we can get Ken back to talk about this. GMT that he's just dropped. It's very familiar. To the oh shoot, what did he call it? The Arkin. What was his original drop? It was the. I had it in my head, that's why I didn't look it up. Instrumentum. So he dropped his Instrumentum last year, which was, it had all the things that like kinda we dig. It's familiar, but it's innovative. It's different without being weird. It's a super cool watch. And he has dropped a round two, in a really interesting way in the way of his GMT, which is a forehand with a small dial date wheel. I dig this. And keeping with the Arken thing, he's stuck with titanium. I love this watch. It like, It pulls on like Victorinox and that kind of tooly feel, but it's independent. A 40 millimeter titanium case, 13 thick, which is a little thicker than I was hoping, but with a GMT movement, you can kind of write that off. BGW-9 lume, 200 meters of water resistance, so it's 11 points. This, I dig it. This is like a straight tool watch GMT. Integrated bracelet still, and I'm not 100% sure why he's sticking with that feel, but he's got strap options for it. I dig this release. Everything about it is the Instrumentum, but it's a GMT.
Everett And I loved the instrumentum. I think it's terrific. Ken's got some style things that I think he did a good job of being true to with this watch. It is very much an evolution of the instrumentum, but with a ton of new with a ton of new feel to it, right? So it doesn't feel like the instrumentum. It doesn't particularly look like the instrumentum, except at a glance, but it also feels very much like an Arken.
Andrew The movement is based off of a 9015. Yeah. He's calling it the Ark 9015 DT. I don't know what all modifications he's making to it. But sufficient modifications to rename it. Seven. Sure. Right. Which could just be like who knows. Yeah. But some modifications. 700 bucks on launch day.
Everett Which is which is a great price for a watch like this for for a watch of this capability.
Andrew Right. So so we're looking at a 700 dollar true GMT. This is cool. I dig this. I like his watches. I'm not, I'm not a huge fan of the texture. I kind of wish textured dials would go away.
Everett I don't mind this texture, but they're not, they're not going to go there.
Andrew So that's right. That's just kind of what I have to, it's my life.
Everett I have to deal with it. Right. You know, I think that if you were, I think there were some people that saw the instrument and were like, yeah, not for me. And then there were others that were like, gosh, it's so close, but just too much, this too much, that the instrument has this really prominent bezel, really thick bezel. This has resolved some of those concerns. If, if you have them certainly not the type of watch, if you were like, it's a no from me, dog, then maybe not, but I think it resolved the issue entirely of the bezel.
Andrew Cause the bezel was super like Halson, super tooly. Like if you don't want to watch this watch isn't for you going to the bezel is forehand with a date sub dial kind of refines it a little bit makes it look a little bit like a small seconds while keeping the functionality of a of a true GMT.
Everett Yeah. So we do have a we do have an what we would call this integrated bracelet system. So you're not going to be able to stick this on any NATO strap or whatever. It does, or any nylon pass through this, this new one does come with what I'm going to call like a sail cloth looking dimensional strap. But I do understand that the, I do understand that this watch is completely compatible with the instrumentums bracelet, which it's this sort of Constantin, this Vacheron, looking link, very, very much an homage to that Vacheron overseas type of thing. Um, yeah, dude, this thing's rad.
Andrew I, I dig this.
Everett And if you, and if you have an instrumentum, you could use the bracelet from the instrumentum on this.
Andrew I want Ken to talk about his integrated bracelet system.
Everett Yeah. Pretty, pretty, pretty hip stuff, man. I dig it. It is cool and hip.
Andrew UK based watchmaker.
Everett So I don't know if we've ever talked about this brand on the show before, but it's pretty neat. It's a brand out of Japan called Seiko, and they've been making watches for quite a while. I think for they're one of the oldest watch companies there is, but they have released a new Cult classic, says worn and wound. They do say that. Prospex speed timer. You just talked about this OG watch. I did recently. They've released this fantastic Prospex branded speed timer. Which is like a modern Sportura kinetic. Uh, this thing's terrific. It is a kinetic chronograph. Um, and it looks very old and also new. It's got three pushers at what, what are we going to call that? 730. 1030. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's got 10 and two. Yes. Yes. Ten and two. That's fine. And then a crown at four and another pusher at. Eight. Yes, that's it's much harder than it should be. I don't know why that's so hard. Because there's no numbers.
Andrew And that's what makes it weird. It's a sport tour. It's weird. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. These are really neat. So they've got them in a handful of different colors. They've got sort of a panda white dial. with black sub dials. They've got a black with gunmetal, uh, like kind of a sand with a dark gray and like aged loom, but also orange. And then this like murdered out black on black with the yellow pop of yellow. Everything feels very, very Seiko. Everything feels very Seiko.
Andrew I'm looking at the, photo of the case back for the Budapest. Yeah, these are made for the Budapest. Twenty three. Twenty three world championships. Four thousand of them. That two tone black and steel bracelet. Usually a two tone doesn't call to me, but that two tone black and steel with the kind of O.D. Dial. Yeah, that is doing it for me.
Everett So these are 42 millimeters, 12 nine thick. Um, there are two of these are limited editions and two of them are main line. So the gray dial and the black on black are both limited editions and the other two are main line. Uh, Oh no, excuse me. The Panda and the black on black are main line. The tan, that earthy desert tan and the and the gray dollar, both LE's of four thousand a piece. So and these are all like under a thousand, under a thousand. That's right. Pretty cool. Available in July. So very soon, if you're close to a Seiko dealer, maybe pop in because I think this will be the type of thing that you can get for a few days. Yeah. At least the LE's, you know, maybe a week or so. These are pretty clever. They look good. It's this is a nice release. I in particular like that earthy dial with the two-tone bracelet.
Andrew They did a really good job in a way that Seiko doesn't always do of revitalizing a previous release. Seiko will often re-release a watch under the same name That's not even remotely similar. They did a good job updating the Sportura and still keeping its identity in place.
Everett I will say that this watch ticks a couple of my pet peeves. The bracelet looks to me to be a turd.
Andrew It's probably a turd. It's Seiko.
Everett It's Seiko. And the fitment. way the bezel meets the case is particularly bad. Sometimes very cool watches get poorly fitted end links, and this is an egregious example of that. Yep. With that said, it kind of works with the aesthetic of the watch.
Andrew Because it's a... I mean, they're going to blame it on, this is a 70s watch. Look at how ugly the original Sportour is.
Everett This isn't as bad. Well, there's lots of sporturas, right? Uh, but the, the, the bottom line, this is, this is a speed timer. It's a recessed bracelet, so they can get away with some sin there, but it's yeah, it's, it's pretty egregious. So other than that, I love the watch.
Andrew Yeah. They made some mistakes were made. We accept their problems.
Everett Andrew, what do you got next? Oh, okay. I think you ought to just keep it going.
Andrew Yeah, so. You know, since we're on the Seiko. Train here. Seiko has done a cool rerelease. Of the Seiko five sports. Original. So come to find out Seiko five sports. model line has existed for 55 years. In honor of that, they have a re-release in four colorways and it is hot. It is very much in the vein of the Q Timex. It's a three hand diver in All of the 70s feels that you want. And I am.
Everett For it. Yeah, so right. Maybe you said this, but this is the very first Seiko sports, Seiko 5 sports, released that very first one from 1968. Yep. And there's been some so so there's been some back and forth and there's some controversy about what the five pillars of Seiko 5 are. I think the most widely accepted are automatic movement, day-date display, water resistance, durable case, and a recessed crown at 4 o'clock. A lot of the Seiko 5s from the last generation, that generation that's just recently kind of gone away, had all of those features, or at least most of those features.
Andrew Most of those features. So we see crown guards in the SKX, we see crown guards in even the Seiko, the current iterations of the... Well, so that's, that's, that's what I'm saying, right?
Everett So, so prior to like right now, so, so in circa 2015, if you went onto eBay and looked for a Seiko 5 or perhaps even Amazon, there was just billions of these and they all kind of did this but the modern version of Seiko 5 Sports is like an SKX case, right? So you're not really getting a recessed crown at four o'clock. This has a true to form recessed crown at four o'clock. It feels, this watch looks to me, having not held one, this looks to me like a properly updated Seiko 5.
Andrew It is 100% a properly updated Seiko 5. It's got drilled straight lugs so you can put whatever you want in it. It's got that fully recessed crown. It's got all of the things and all the feels. So in our colorways, we have a just a black on black. We're not murdered out. We still got a steel case, but we got a black dial, black bezel. We have a multicolored black dial and a kind of a rally racing bezel. We have a silver dial and a... What would you call that? Yeah, show me the picture. Like a check marked, like a checker flag bezel.
Everett So you're talking about the SKX releases.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett Yeah. So in addition to the SRP K17, which is the one we've been talking about, the OG, they've also released three 55th anniversary SKX cases. Yes. In the Seiko 5.
Andrew And then in orange with a black rally.
Everett Yeah. These feel like the Rowing Blazers releases to me like Seiko was like, Oh, the Rowing Blazers releases have done really well. And there's no reason for us to not get in, get some of that action.
Unknown Yeah. Yeah.
Everett The SRPK, though, just comes from what I can tell, just comes just sort of a black. It'll it'll come in and in more iterations with a very 70s blue sports at the top of the six o'clock stack.
Andrew And here's the Seiko win. The SKX releases at 415. The SRPK 350. This is Seiko. to its core.
Everett Yeah, these are terrific. These are gorgeous. Well done, Seiko. Finally.
Andrew It even looks like the bezel's aligned.
Everett You know, hard to tell. Andrew, is there anything else you want to talk about before we go today? Before we move on, I should say. I think we've hit all the things. Yeah. Yeah, I think so too. Um, well, with that in mind, is there any other things that you'd like to talk about? There is. Andrew, other things go.
Andrew I wasn't ready. So, uh, last week at work, I was informed that tomorrow at work, my training day will consist of Primarily existing on an asphalt pad outside during the daytime. It was problematic for me because I carried the ginger gene and there's no amount of sunblock that can protect you from a day in the sun. So I was like, okay, especially on asphalt. Yeah. Like you get it radiating from both directions. And I was like, okay, I'm going to go get a long sleeve shirt to wear tomorrow. It's not going to be hot. It's going to be like 75 degrees. It's going to be warm, but not hot. I went to REI today with a couple ideas in mind of what I was looking for and I touched and put on and felt every long-sleeved fairly light layer that they had. I ended up getting the REI brand mid-weight base layer half zip because it's gonna be perfectly appropriate for a 70 to 75 degree day. It's, let me feel it. It feels super good.
Everett It does feel nice. It's it's like, I think it may be a little heavy for your application, though. It's a it's borderline midway. It is.
Andrew It's called a midway. Right. And so when I was I was stuck between this and a smart wool, lightweight The Smartwool Lightweight was approximately twice the price. I know how Smartwool performs. I really like Smartwool. I tend to get really hot in it. Yeah, it's warm. It's warm. My thinking of going with primarily synthetic is that I can wet it down and cool, like it's going to hold the moisture a little bit better. Yeah. And cool me. The wicking properties should be a little bit better. Right. So my thinking is I can just pour stuff on it and it's going to hold the moisture for longer, evaporate for longer. Kind of counterintuitive to the way wicking works, but I really like this. I got it in a color way that's going to be multi-use, like both for work and, and for, for fall outdoor pursuits. So I got kind of like a sagey green eye.
Everett That's precisely the term I'd use to describe that color.
Andrew Uh, it's, I mean, you're in sweatpants and a t-shirt and slippers. I'm in shorts and this shirt and slippers. And I would argue that we're probably similarly comfortable.
Everett Yeah. I'm borderline a little warm right now. So.
Andrew I, I super like this. I mean, it's like all other REI products.
Unknown Yeah. Well-made.
Andrew It's exactly what you want.
Everett I'll be curious to see, I'm a little concerned that you're going to be too warm, not withstanding the sun being off of you, but it'll be, you know, I might be a little bit too warm, but, but what I'm concerned about primarily is skin cancer.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew So I have full UV protection cause the other day, it is a UV like rated material. I I'm just not exposed to the sun. It's not UV cause all the UV stuff that I could find, was prohibitively expensive, or black, or not available in my size. So like 3XL. Sure. And if you're wearing triple XL, You're probably not also looking for UV protective clothing.
Everett Well, yeah, I don't know. If you're, if you're triple XL, you still need to be protected from the sun. Concur. There's a lot of skin to get cancer on.
Andrew Yeah. A lot of it's actually hidden by other skin though. So, uh, I'll come back next week and I'll talk about how this performs in 70 to 80 degree, 80 degree weather, but I'm super excited by it for all of its other applications. Cause it's just as warm as I want it.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett Yeah. No, I mean it's a, it's a great looking top. So, well, I'll be curious to hear your update. I'm prepared to give it. Andrew, I've got another thing. Do me. I have ever talked about disc golf on this show?
Andrew I mean, not once or twice.
Everett Multiples. Okay. So I disc golf. I'm not very good. I started recently, right? Uh, and kind of got into it. And I've been disc golfing and I signed up on a whim. Me and my two most favorite disc golf buddies were like, let's sign up for a tournament. So there was a tournament here locally. It's a kind of a big tournament put on by a cool local organization. And we're like, let's just do it. Let's just sign up. It's at a course we know it's local. It'll be fun.
Andrew So we did it where you got your phone stolen.
Everett Different course. And so signed up for this thing and have been like, you know, just playing disc golf and the tournament was this last weekend. So I competed in my first disc golf tournament last weekend as a card carrying member of the disc golf, the professional disc golf association, PDGA, PDGA card carrying member right here. You're listening to it. So I signed up for my disc golf tournament. I played in the disc golf tournament. I have played that course probably 30 times in the last year. And of those 30 times, I would say I have scored between one and six over 75% of the time with maybe a couple outliers. I've done a little better than that on a couple of occasions and I've done A little worse than that on a couple of occasions. Okay. So it's a course I know very well and we're pretty, we hold ourselves to scores, right? We're not cheating and taking mulligans. We're, we're pretty serious about scoring, not serious about it, but you know, we, we hold ourselves to the scores. I go out Saturday and I shoot an eight over.
Andrew It's not good.
Everett Which is not good.
Andrew In fact, that's not going to get you on the leaderboard.
Everett It is one of the worst rounds I have had. at that course or any course in a very long time. And I was like, you know, I'm having fun. It was fun. That's just how it goes. Right? Like it's the tournament environment jitters where they're like groupies and stuff. And so I'm thinking, no, no, of course not. So I'm thinking, okay, well, That's fine, because what it means is that Sunday I'm going to be grouped with a bunch of other guys that all scored eight under. I should be one of the better guys in that group. I went on a Sunday and shot 14 over.
Andrew You did poorly. The nerves got to you.
Everett It is the craziest thing, man. I go out in a tournament, I couldn't putt. I was hitting trees. I was like, and I couldn't even, I wasn't even upset. I wasn't upset. I was like pretty, I mean there was times where I was like, what the fuck? Like frustrated with myself, but you like, we're not competing for anything.
Andrew That's the problem with any stroke play sport is that like, it's not that every shot's perfect. It's how you recover from an imperfect shot. No, like no good stroke play athlete spirals.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew You spiraled a little bit.
Everett I spiraled. You know, I realized about two thirds of the way through my round on Sunday, I realized at some point that I was like playing pretty aggressively, which when you're struggling, you gotta, when you're struggling, there's this like desire to get the strokes back. Right. And so I was playing aggressively and I was putting myself in worse situations. And about two thirds of the way through, I was like, stop, just stop, like play conservative, go out, make your drives, you know, get and get, get to where you need to be. And of course I finished up that round, like those last six holes, I think I finished them up at one under, which is a indicative of just how bad the prior 12 holes had been. But also like, okay, I, you know, I can look back and kind of see some of the things that happened and why, But it was like, it still blows my mind. I'm like, how in the world, how in the world do I have my two? And so it's interesting. Now I'm like excited. Like I want to like figure out how to compete, right? How do I, how do I play disc golf in that environment? It was a ton of fun. I met, it was like, it's one of those things. I don't know. My other thing of course is this disc golf tournament, but it sort of, It meant something else to me, which is to say, like, if you're doing something and you enjoy something, do it in a community. You know, it's one of the things that Andrew and I were hoping to get from this show. Like, let's be in the community. And I think we've accomplished that, right? Like, I've got some of my best friends in life are people that I've met by way of having started this podcast. Some of my best friends in life are people that I've either met through disc golf or become closer through disc golf. Like whatever it is you're doing, do it, like go out, be part of the community, engage. So this weekend I met like three guys that I can tell, like I'm going to be friends with these guys. I might not be like close friends with them, but I know I'm going to be friends with these people for forever. Like I could just tell like, yeah, I know this guy, I like this guy, like whatever you're doing, go out and do it. Like even if you're in the lowest division of a B tier disc golf tournament, just go out and engage with the community. It's so weird how much fun that was to just go and do that thing. So now I'm like, can I do this? Can I compete at disc golf in the lowest division? of the lowest tier of tournaments.
Andrew Are you going to be able to quit your job and make your living as a hard carrying member of the PDGA?
Everett Like I would say, but for about 10 people in the world, but for about 10 people in the world, the best disc golfers in the world make less than me. So I'm not going to retire. Yet. Yes. Yeah, that's right. Until I become, yeah, no, It's not something that you make money at. It's something you do for fun. But whatever it is you're doing for fun, go out and do it and do it with the community and actually do it because holy shit, it's so much fun, man. And it's so much fun. I played the worst disc golf I've ever played and I still just loved it. What a cool experience. But kind of stupid, right? It sucks that you sucked so bad.
Andrew It does suck that I sucked.
Everett I was like, what the fuck?
Andrew The nerves, man. They gotcha. It's hilarious. Yeah, it happens. It happens. It's the nerves.
Everett Yeah. But had a ton of fun, so. Nice. Andrew, anything else you want to talk about?
Andrew No, I'm all out of things.
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