Episode 240 - Watches Roundup for May 31, 2023

Published on Tue, 06 Jun 2023 09:35:00 -0700

Synopsis

Andrew and Everett discuss new watch releases, including a Casio collaboration, Dryden field watch, limited edition from Halios, and several other models from brands like Aquastar, King Seiko, and Bowen. They also chat about food storage containers and the TV show Yellowstone.

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Andrew	Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett	Well, I have an injury and it's affecting the podcast in a way I didn't expect it to because I didn't think about it. I got stung by a bee on the ear. Which is fine. It's kind of funny because my ears all swollen up.
Andrew	It does. You, you look like a, uh, MMA fighter on one side and then a lawyer on the other side.
Everett	Right. Right. What's the name of the new Disney movie? Um, Moana? No, no. Uh, anyway, it'll come to me. I look like the uncle from that new Disney movie. Um, Little Mermaid? No, it'll come to me anyway. Yeah. So I've got a swollen ear. Uh, And it's affecting the... I've got to wear headphones. It's got to be uncomfortable. It's not bad. It's fine. It can't feel good. It does look hilarious though. So my ear is all puffy. It's sort of sticking out from my head and it's hanging lower than it normally would, which was... It looks a little cauliflower-y too. I look like a one-armed wrestler. Yeah. It's just that ear.
Andrew	Yep.
Everett	Yeah. But yeah, other than that, I'm doing, I'm doing well. It was a nice Memorial Day weekend. Took a little road trip. Uh, got back to work today. Everything, nothing had fallen, nothing had fallen apart or caught fire. Andrew, how are you? Did you expect it to catch fire? Well, I mean, sometimes things catch fire. Proverbially. That's true.
Andrew	Yeah. I'm good as usual on the tail end of weekend. It was a good Memorial Day weekend. Sam and the kids went out of town. So it was a really quiet weekend for me. And it wasn't really a long weekend, right? Because my schedule just doesn't, it was a normal weekend for me. But it meant that Monday no one was home. It was just like quiet, chilled, watched TV. It's pretty great. Today I did all the normal weekend stuff of errands and grocery shopping and yard work and kind of ruined my weekend. No complaints. I can also, this is, we've had the right weather. It's been low seventies.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	Partly cloudy, but mostly sunny.
Everett	Yeah. We were like 85 to 95 for about 11, 12 days there. That's too much. In May is crazy. Too much. It seems to have settled down just a little bit.
Andrew	Oh yeah, good. It's unfortunately the weather though, you have to adjust like, is your air conditioning on or not? It's not like the heat air conditioning dilemma that happens a little earlier. But you're just constantly turning off and on your air conditioning.
Everett	And that's my complaint. We don't normally do risk checks on the show because they're kind of silly.
Andrew	Uh, but I don't usually wear a watch when we're recording either.
Everett	You're wearing a Christopher Ward and you're wearing a rubber strap. What is that?
Andrew	That is the Everest universal straight link.
Everett	That is not intentional. And I wasn't meaning to do that. Uh, but I just kind of noticed out of the corner of my eye and didn't know what it was.
Andrew	Yeah. Yeah, it looks terrific on that. Yeah, that was my first thought as what it was going to go on. Yeah, it's a perfect. Perfect pairing for it. Perfect pairing. Yeah, it's quite suitable.
Everett	Yeah, I mean, you know, one of the beauties of the Everest straps are the curved ends. I think that that straight link is, I mean, for me, probably overpriced for what it does. It's certainly a terrific strap.
Andrew	I also don't agree that it's a straight link. It's just a little bit curved. A little bit curved, certainly not a fit. Not a fit. And the curve is really nice. I could actually, I really like one that's totally flat rather than this raised centerpiece. Oh, sure. Like a link. Yeah, it's got a bit of a profile. I could do without that, but even with it.
Everett	The Notice FKM is smooth like that. That's the one I have. in that kind of slot. And it's and I do like that. I like that smooth top.
Andrew	But it's it's also very comfortable and is a really good match for the C63. And you didn't overpay for it. I did not. I did not. And you know, if I'm if I'm being honest, I don't know that even buying it at retail is overpaying. These are great. I will buy these. Not the ones that I have.
Everett	I'm not I'm not going to. You didn't. Yeah, you're not going to buy those. Don't buy those. No. but I will probably buy more. That would be economically foolish. Um, I, I'm excited for today's episode because it seemed to me that there were so many cool watches that came out. We just did a roundup a week ago and in the last week there's been so many cool drops that I suspect we're not going to get to them all.
Andrew	Andrew, I, I think you're probably right cause there's been a lot of happenings and goings on in the watch world.
Everett	Sometimes we'll have like a couple of weeks, three weeks that we'll have to pull from. And it feels like a little, you know, it's like, okay, well, you know, I'll throw this in there in case we run out of time. Today, I legitimately think we have 10 or 11 very cool watches and we're almost certainly not going to get to them. We're definitely not. But we'll make the effort. Time will tell. Time will tell. With that in mind, Andrew, I know that you have a watch that you'd like to kick us off with this week.
Andrew	I definitely do. The first watch I want to talk about is the, where is it? Here it is. The Casio LF20W-XX comes in three iterations. It is a fully, I'll read the whole thing. bio based resin with recycled materials. It is the Casio Royale without a map and in all resin instead of hard plastic. It's very, uh, like F 84 plastic. He and I am for it. I dig this. It comes in black, uh, kind of a, I have a white gray. And then a true like stone gray. And the reason I haven't gotten one is because they're 50 bucks on Amazon, 30 bucks on Casio. And I haven't decided between the kind of stone egg egg shelly gray and the and the stone gray.
Everett	Well, and I think they're sold out on Casio, too, which is why they're they're fetching a higher price.
Andrew	Well, they were immediately. I saw these on drop day and I was like, oh, And I saw notify me on Casio, which I'm like, maybe that just means that they maybe just means it didn't drop yet. I found on Amazon for, for significantly more. So I'll let these cool for a few weeks.
Everett	Yeah. Cause these will settle in at 19 bucks.
Andrew	Yeah. Between 19 and 30. Right. And they're, and they're, they're right up my alley.
Everett	Yeah. These are, these are pretty terrific. I'm actually not finding them for sale on, Amazon.
Andrew	They don't, you can't find them by their, um, by their code. You can find them by, uh, they're like Casio pop. Okay.
Everett	Let's see. Yeah. These, these definitely are a, like a classic illuminator and in a Casio Royale had a baby. Yep.
Andrew	Oh, I'll I'll link the Amazon. They have a they have a name that Amazon sells them as.
Everett	If they can be purchased right now, there'll be a link. There's going to be a link to something in the show notes, most likely the Casio website. But if they can be purchased presently, from what we can tell, we'll have a link to those.
Andrew	If I can find something that you can buy it today when I write the notes, the link will be there. Can't say it'll be available, but these are cool. Yeah, they're they're just like this is Casio doing Casio shit.
Everett	There's not a lot to talk about, right? They're quote-unquote WR. You've got a dual time function. You've got date. You've got a light. It's a four button. There's not a lot to say about this watch.
Andrew	No, it's all the things. Yeah. It's all the Casio things.
Everett	Bio-based resin. Yeah. Produced from renewable organic materials and water resistant.
Andrew	Oh, there's going to be more colors. There's going to be a green and a burgundy. Just based off of their marketing information photos.
Everett	Love it.
Andrew	Yeah, I might get I might hold out and get the green. Like a sage green.
Everett	So I'm going to talk about a watch that sold out, I think almost instantly ready for it. Jason Lim review released a limited edition collaboration this week. And we don't, I don't really, I think we collectively as a show don't so much go in for like limited edition collabs that are pretty hard to get, yada, yada, yada. But this is a Universa, which I think is maybe my favorite Halleas. I know the Seaforth is the one that everybody's kind of gaga about. Something about the Universa really calls out to me. bezel, the way the crystal sort of sits high, uh, over, over the, the bezel edge, the combination of brushed and polished surfaces, that really curvy, but angular thing. It's got going on the onion crown. I think this is my favorite Helios and they kind of hit it at a Jason kind of hit it out of the park with this. And I don't know, how much Topper had to do with the dial design, but it is this very crispy white dial with crispy white loom, a little pop of orange, and this lovely, lovely, I don't know if you'd call that cornflower or denim, or it's not quite navy, not royal, something in between those two. Seconds hand. Fantastic.
Andrew	It's very Cartier. Yes. Blue on on the white everything else.
Everett	That's right. And it's and it's got. So so this is a trick I don't understand. We've got orange indicators or orange minutes at 10 25 40 and 55. If you've got an answer for why that is, I'd love to hear it.
Andrew	You think that's light issues? Just, just, well, no, cause it's blue at the three and blue, it appears to be blue at the three and the nine.
Everett	Yeah. So, so the hash marks on the minute scale alternate, alternate between blue, yellow, and green representing natural elements found near Topper's headquarters in Burlingame is what this says. So it's not, there's nothing, the yellow is, Not, I guess, discrete. It's an alternating color scheme. Blue, green. Okay, there it is. Yeah, so each of the five-minute markers alternates. That tracks. Is it green? Yeah, there's a green. You can see it at 35. Oh, it's subtle. At 50. Very subtle. That's right.
Andrew	Okay.
Everett	That's right. Pretty sexy watch. I mean, it's a universal, right? There's not. Yeah, there's not a lot to say.
Andrew	It's just a limited edition universe. I've always loved the crown on the universe. So I've never got to have one of these in hand.
Everett	Mm hmm. Yeah, it's a terrific watch. And, you know, these are we talk a lot about Manta. Mm hmm. We talk a lot about Form X in particular, the essence really punching above their weight or, you know, I don't know if I've ever actually said that on the show before, but you, you know, at the 1500 to $2,000 mark, those two brands are slaying in terms of quality. I think for under a thousand bucks, nobody can touch Jason. The quality fit and finish on a Hallios is second to none at a thousand dollars. I think where he doesn't quite compete with Manta, for instance, is in terms of thickness. You know, Manta has really driven down the case to be as thin and sort of luxury as possible. I don't think Jason's quite doing that, and maybe it's not possible to do that at this price. But with that said, the fit and finish and the quality of of manufacturing is right there.
Andrew	Right at $1,000. Yeah, that's right.
Everett	That's right. Pretty terrific. The things he's able to do at under $1,000 are really incredible.
Andrew	I just wish he could get inventory stabilized and out there.
Everett	Yeah, and it could be that he doesn't really want it get, get inventory stabilized. You know, I want it. I want to be able to buy one. The stock universes I think are like under 800 bucks, 735 and, and there's, and they're only 11 millimeters. So they're pretty thin. So maybe I need to take it back. Honestly, 11 millimeters. That's, that's the end. Yeah. That's the, and that includes the crystal. So maybe I just need to actually just take it back. I said a stupid thing, take it back. They don't feel as thin in the metal.
Andrew	We feel a little bit thicker. That's what you want. You want it to feel thicker. Uh, late 2023, we should see series two of the, uh, Universa coming to the Hallios website though. So we'll see another run this year.
Everett	Yeah, that that's right. And, and perhaps they won't perhaps have a few more. So yeah. 97 on the Triumph. I'm just gonna throw it out there.
Andrew	It's lethal. I'm ready to talk about my next watch. Do it. This is the watch I became aware of today.
Everett	For the first time?
Andrew	For the first time. It's another Casio. A Protrek PRG601PE Pendleton-Wool collaboration. And this is just Protrek, right? This is a Protrek we all know. We've all seen it. We're not, this isn't new. The new and exciting part is the Pendleton wool collaborative strap that features Pendleton patterns and wool in the strap. This is dope. There's not a whole lot to say about it. It's a super cool collaboration with Protrek. that's celebrating, in their words, the harmonious coexistence with nature. And I think if you're a person wearing a protrek, you're probably not harmoniously coexisting with nature, but you're in it. You're, you're conquering. You're in nature. Uh, this is super cool. It's 400 bucks. I think I might get one.
Everett	Yeah, this is, yeah. So these, these are new drops. Mike Razak actually alerted me to this.
Andrew	That's how I became aware of it. He said he was going to be reviewing one and I saw it was
Everett	Smitten. You know, we've talked about Pendleton on the show before, and I said something to the effect of Pendleton's a household name. It's sort of ubiquitous. And it occurred to me that not everybody knows who Pendleton is. Not everyone knows. They should know. But we know because we grew up with it. We grew up with Pendleton in the home of Pendleton. But if Casio, if Mr. Casio knows about Pendleton, it seems it's a thing. It seems it must be. Must be. The Beach Boys know about Pendleton.
Andrew	Yeah, but the Beach Boys were also friends with Charlie Manson. So can we exactly trust them?
Everett	So we did a thing that we always do when we do this. We each pick watches and we send them to each other. You beat me to the sending stage, which means that you got dibs on some watches.
Andrew	I got dibs in that I sent them to you. They are, they are our picks. Which one's the one that you want to talk about?
Everett	So I'm going to take, I'm going to take one that you actually sent, but that I wanted to talk about, which is the new Aquastar. Yeah. So Aquastar is a, one of these companies that we talk about so often that was a thing and then yeah, now it's eating brains, um, as a zombie brand. But in any event, Aquastar is very cool. I'm very into the aesthetic of Aquastar. I lamented the arrival of Aquastar in some ways because they came back after we had designed and started working with manufacturers on the Foster 11 Atmos and were really in some ways doing the things we were trying to do with the 11 Atmos. And so it came out and I was like, some bitch now and then There was like Woolbrook, a number of brands sort of popped out, but Aquastar was the one that I was like, those guys are the ones doing it right. And they're doing it more expensive than us, so I don't have to worry about them. Very, very into this brand in terms of their aesthetic, which anybody who knows me will not be surprised to hear that. This is a new model, the Model 60, and it's just a terrific This is the Skin Diver, right? Yep. This is the Skin Diver. So what are our stats here? 37 millimeter steel case, H-link, 20 minute graduation. We've got totally modern, even though this thing looks like it's from the 1960s, totally modern ceramic bearing construction. Yeah. Fan fantastic, lovely watch. There's nothing fancy going on in the dial. Very familiar sort of dot and bar type of thing. What I do really like on this is if you look at the profile, this has got a familiar to me at least case profile. This is a classic, curvy H-Link Skin Diver. The case totally wraps around, giving that fantastic dimension with that high prominent dial. The dial and crystal sit high above the rest of the watch. This is just a terrific watch. And because it's Aquastar, it's going to be made to the tits. We got a Le Jouperé G100, which is a fantastic movement. It's a new movement, too. Isn't it? It's a newish. Yeah. Yeah. 1290. But $1,000 pre-order, $990 pre-order, and they're supposed to start shipping next month.
Andrew	First hundred, you get a compass on your nylon strap. There you have it. So you're really getting the banger deal.
Everett	Now, I'm not one to complain. That's not true. I am one to complain. I will say there's a problem with this watch, and that is the End Link. The, this is a beads of rice bracelet, which I don't mind even a little bit, but the end link on this thing is atrocious. It is awful. What we'd call a male end link. And the finishing is real bad. For a $1,300 watch, I expect more.
Andrew	It is- You expect it to at least match the case, right? If you're going to integrate end link into your case. It's not an integrated link, but if you're going to put something in there by design, at least make it the same fucking finish.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. I, I'm not a fan of the unlink, but every other element, the case back on this is so good. Um, the font is terrific all around. Yeah. The, the, Bezel font is perfect, but that end link. Oh, boy.
Andrew	Oh, boy. If you're in the first hundred, you're not going to have to worry about it because you're going to get a nylon strap and a compass to wear upon it.
Everett	Correct. So these come with a fantastic basket tropic. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is probably what you're going to wear this thing on anyway.
Andrew	Yeah. What you got next, bud? Oh, next up for me. We'll talk about next. There's so many things. There are a lot of things. I want to talk about the Dryden field watch. So Dryden is a brand that we are familiar with, that we like. We've got a couple of Dryden reviews on the website and as titled in a blog to watch an excellent every day field watch. So this is a field watch, right? This isn't, you know, Some revolutionary, extraordinary thing. It's coming in at 500 bucks. 38 millimeter case, 11 tooth thick, 46 lug to lug. So we got that nice little compact field watch feel. And I am for it. It's gorgeous. There is the brown dial, the brown sunburst textured dial with Fotina, everything doesn't do it for me, but that crisp white dial does it for me. I love this handset. I love the font. I love everything about this simple as it gets 38 millimeter field watch with appropriately finished end links. This thing, this does it. I, I'm digging it.
Everett	Yes. We actually spent a lot of time with Jerry when we were in New York and, and, and with Jake Wittgen, for that matter, who wrote these reviews. This watch isn't exactly new. This watch has been on the scene for a minute, but we haven't talked about it in the show. My take on this, on this watch was that it felt like what we wanted the 2014 micro brands to feel like in 2020. So this watch feels like certainly not wild or crazy. This is a very simple watch. This is a Traska type watch. This is what I want. It is doing things simply, classically, Vaguely recognizably, but not, not in a way that you're like that. Oh, that's just that.
Andrew	Everything's got just enough design inspiration behind it. Like, no, this is how I want it to look. The lines are softer. This, the hour hand is great. The position of the minute hand going, what seems like as perfectly to the end of the minute track as possible. It's these details. that just nail it for me.
Everett	And yeah, that's right. The details are perfect and he's doing all the, he's doing all the easy things right too. It's got a 90 15 or a 90 39 depending on which, whether you get a date or not. It's the dimensions are great. 38 by 46 with an 11.2 thickness. Uh, this is just a terrific watch. This is one of those watches. where if it had come out in 2015 would be a best in class watch. 100%. And which is not to say it's not today. It very well may be. We're a little bit desensitized to a drop like this, I think.
Andrew	Yeah, it can get easily lost amongst the noise.
Everett	But if you have 500 bucks and you want something that's going to be perfect and great, this is this is like.
Andrew	Yeah, this is very much in the Traska, Laurier, like I just want something simple. I want something well built. I want something well finished. Yeah. I think this is this, this blue with the orange secondhand and font, like very fairer color scheme is gorgeous.
Everett	And we don't need to nitpick this watch at all. I'm going to, I'm going to for just a minute say the crown is maybe the one thing that may be enormous for people.
Andrew	You're wrong.
Everett	I think it's dope. Well, I'm just saying, I don't know that it's going to be everybody's cup of tea. It's prominent that knurling is a discreet finish. So that might not be for everybody. I think it's terrific, but it's the one thing on the watch that may be, uh, slightly, if it's not for you, then don't get it.
Andrew	But it's terrific. That's what draw like what drew me into being interested in this watch is that crown.
Everett	It's a good watch. It is. I want to wear one.
Andrew	Well done, Jerry. Indeed.
Everett	All right. I better do this or I'm not going to do it. I've got a watch that costs way too much money that not enough people are going to buy that if. Yeah, I don't know that there's any way to describe this watch besides ugly. Because it's ugly. This is a watch made by Bowen and they're calling it the Star Diver. And I think they're calling it the Star Diver because it looks like a spaceship submarine.
Andrew	Yeah. I think that's appropriate.
Everett	What the fuck is this watch? So this is made by a French brand called Bowen or there's probably a different way to say that in France. And this is a Extreme watch. That's what this is. It's like 1999 at an X. It's Arnold at his peak when he won, won the Mr. Universe. That's right. So I would say it would be fair to put this in the category of perhaps a plow prof or a tuna. or maybe even a monster, a little bit more, a little bit more different, a little beefier than the monster. This is a purpose-built tool dive watch. It's a thousand meter dive watch. And despite its appearances, it's only 43 millimeters. The case is 41, but 17. No. What do we got there?
Andrew	Forty one diameter. Fourteen eight thick.
Everett	They're looking at. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Sorry. I was looking at specs on their other watch. So yeah. Forty one by four by fourteen eight, which is big.
Andrew	But also not. But not crazy. Tall. That's right. It's it's tuna tall. But it's not what I would expect. for the specs.
Everett	That's right. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's exactly right, Andrew. Like based on the specs, this is conservatively sized. Yeah.
Andrew	We've got a helium escape valve as evidenced by the length of the minute hand, though.
Everett	The thing that the thing that made this watch interesting to me was how interesting the finishing is. So this is a great five titanium thousand meter dive watch. And when you get this thing on its side and you start looking at the details of that helium escape valve and the details on the bracelet and the details on the bezel and the crown and these crown guards, this is terrific.
Andrew	Yeah. It's like two things happened at once here. They were like, Oh, I want to make a really cool watch. But I also want to make a really fine watch. Yeah. They polished the shit out of that circular saw.
Everett	Yeah, that's right. That's right. It is gorgeous. This looks like a this looks like a like Hallios finishing or perhaps even someone better. But that same level of attention to detail in an absolutely nutso uber tool watch case. I am so into this watch.
Andrew	The finishing on the bezel is absurd. That high polish on titanium is like... Why?
Everett	That's right. Because we can. So 300 pieces. It's a SoProd movement. Custom finished. And it's got this fantastic looking I don't know what you'd call this. It's not quite a ProPilot X, but it's got like a similar sort of vibe to it on the clasp. This huge wide taper flare rubber strap and a similar bracelet. This thing is so interesting. It's ugly without being objectionably ugly in my mind.
Andrew	It's ProPluff ugly.
Everett	Yeah, I think this is terrific.
Andrew	It's it's Ripley ugly. It's it's ugly because it's not meant to be beautiful, right? It's not a it's not a design piece. It's a it's a tool. It's totally super Herff Lewis. Mm hmm. Nobody needs this tool. Nobody needs this tool.
Everett	But I'm glad it exists. So only 300 pieces of these. So they're going to be hard to get and they're kind of expensive. Yeah. What? 2500 bucks. Yeah. 3000, 3000 euros for the full kit. Okay. Uh, so this thing, there's a lot going on here. Obviously this is not going to be for everybody. And even if it was for you, you're going to have to really think hard about how much you want this before you spend 3000 pounds or euros on a watch. That's probably not going to have a terrific resale value. No.
Andrew	Um, I think I hate the bracelet. Yeah. So that first link on the bracelet is yucky.
Everett	It's not a fitted end link, which for me is a problem.
Andrew	But especially that with the design and development that went into this to not have a fitted end link is kind of inexcusable.
Everett	It wouldn't have been more expensive. I have a hard time with that. That's the one thing I have a hard time with on this watch as well. Yeah.
Andrew	But it looks really good on the fitted rubber. the integrated rubber.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. I think this is super interesting. It's too much money for me, so I'm not buying it because it's... Shouldn't have left your credit card information in my phone. But it's really, this is maybe the most interesting watch I've seen this year. You think? I think maybe. Interesting. The most interesting watch.
Andrew	I hate the hands.
Everett	I love the hand shape. Yeah. It's got a bit of a G Shock thing going on in the dial.
Andrew	What bugs me is that the minute and hour hands are basically all the hands are the same length. The chapter ring is so gradually sloping. That the hands make up like. One third of the total dial diameter. Yeah. That kind of bugs me. Anyway. Also different size. The more I look at it, the more things are like confusing me, but they're, they're confusing me in a way of like, I want to know why not like, you're an idiot. Why would you do that? It's like, no, there was a reason for this. Cause this watch doesn't exist without really deliberate decision-making.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	I would just, I want, I want to know why.
Everett	Uh, there are, there are two Arabic numerals on the dial. Uh, Excusing for a second, the date track.
Andrew	Yeah, the yesterday, today, tomorrow date track.
Everett	There's a six and a nine and that's it. And they're different sizes. Well, the nine's bigger than the six. Everybody knows that.
Andrew	No, you're right. I'm the asshole. Is this because of the 789 joke? Is that what's going on right now on this dial? Let's just move it along. Andrew, what do you got? I don't have anything else. I'm done.
Everett	You're done? I'm quitting. You're just quitting the podcast. Yeah. Right now you're walking out.
Andrew	Yeah, right here in front of everyone. I'm gonna do this one. So Grand Seiko or King Seiko, pardon me, has been doing a thing. And they have a new release with the SJE 089 and 091. And King Seiko is doing the same thing that everyone else is doing in releasing the same watch in three sizes. So this is the new size coming in at 38, uh, 38, six. So the iteration you have is what? 37 something. I've got 37. Yeah. So you've got the 37. There's a 39. What was it? 40. I have to remember here. It doesn't matter. Here's, these are gorgeous watches. I love yours in 37. I know you say it's a little bit small, so maybe this is a better option for you. I don't know if there's enough of a size difference to warrant these releases.
Everett	Well, yeah, so I'm trying to figure out what Seiko's doing with these because they've now released these in three or perhaps four, depending on how you look at it, different grades almost. Mine is a 6R. Mine's a 6R. This is a 6L. Which is a significantly superior movement to the 6R. And they've got this thing down, they've got this thing down to, what is it? 10-7. Yeah, 10, yeah. They've got, so the one problem I have with the 6R movement is although it is superior in many ways to the 4R, it's, the same beat rate, or no, it's a little bit better beat rate, little bit better power resistance, but it's not, I mean, it's just not that much different. It's just marginal. Marginal differences. And it's a fucking chunk, man. The 6L, however, is a significant improvement. So they've allowed these to get much thinner.
Andrew	They are down 10.7.
Everett	Much more elegant. And that's, I think a good move, but they're 3,400 euros. These are, these are like 3,800 bucks. Yes. So you have a $1,700 at 37. Yeah. And that was mine. A $3,800 at 38. Yeah. This doesn't make sense to me.
Andrew	Everyone else is dropping iterative like size iteration. Are they testing the market for King Seiko? Why would they test the market with the same watch? It doesn't make sense. So we had, I, I had all these hopes for King Seiko drawing deep into their catalog and pulling out really cool shit from the sixties and the seventies and doing this really awesome well-financed zombie brand, which we don't see very often. And instead they're doing weird stuff, weird even for Seiko stuff. We don't have an SNK with three different movement options and three different sizes spanning $1,500 price range. That's not a thing that Grand Seiko has ever done. This is a really unique thing happening at King Seiko. I'm intrigued by it. I'm supremely annoyed by it. And it, cause it doesn't make sense to me. And I get that I'm a dummy, but what are they doing?
Everett	Yeah. I think it must be, there must be some market testing.
Andrew	How do you sell this watch? How do you sell this watch side by side? to a virtually identical watch for half, for double the price. Yeah. I don't know. There's, there's nobody who is like, well, the 37 is too small. The 38 six is really the one that I want and I'm willing to pay double for it. Unless people are looking for that six L movement, but if they want that six L movement, just put it in the smaller watch. right? This is curious.
Everett	I will say there, there are a few things they've done. So when I bought my King Seiko, I was enamored by it. I still am enamored by it because it's a terrific watch, but there were some, you know, there were some deviations from the original source material in this watch. And, and actually my friend, aggressive timing habits pointed one of them out to me, which is that the lugs, were different. In particular, the 44KS is sort of an icon of grammar of design styling. And being an icon, I think, requires a certain amount of faithfulness when you recreate it. And they changed the beveling on the lugs in a way that I think, after Beau pointed this thing out to me, made sense. I was like, oh yeah, the way the bevel extends through the lugs almost into the side of the case takes a little something away from the dimensional aspect of the lugs. I think with this watch, they've pulled that back and they've actually done it right. So we've got an overall thinner lug and they got the dimension right. They got that triangle beveling, right? So this is obviously just a superior watch in many ways, but it also seems to me like it's a bit more faithful. The sizing is closer.
Andrew	Then create its own line. Don't make it iterative.
Everett	I think that they're probably trying to figure out where the King Seiko fits in terms of price. So where do people want to buy these at?
Andrew	It doesn't fit at Grand Seiko levels.
Everett	Yeah. Well, we're still sub Grand Seiko with the 6L. Just barely. Yeah. Well, I mean, half. Yeah. So this is really interesting watch. Of course, it's out of my impulse buy price range. My King Seiko was kind of an impulse buy. This takes it to the next level, both in terms of quality.
Andrew	I'd like to see them side by side. Yeah. If truly the movement is the big difference here. Yeah. Because yours is finished beautifully. Yeah, it sure is. Like far, far above what you would expect out of a $1,700 watch.
Everett	Yeah. And this feels like a very expensive, very, very expensive, maybe presage type watch, but certainly top of the line presage. But yeah, it's an interesting move. We'll have to see where they go with this. It's an objectively better watch than mine.
Andrew	And objectively twice the price.
Everett	Maybe even a little bit.
Andrew	But is it, is it a cousin? Like I just, I don't get it. I don't understand this decision. Why, why drop the same watch? Do something else. It's not like their catalog shallow. Right. Two watches to choose from.
Everett	No. I think they must be testing the market. That's, that's all I can figure. They're testing the market. They're trying to figure out where things fit here. What's what? And trying to decide, can we make this a really superior product line? If I had to guess.
Andrew	Well, we'll see. It kind of bugged me.
Everett	Andrew, with that, I think we're at a good breaking point, unless there's any other watches that you're just dying to talk about before we move on.
Andrew	Um. No, I think we've done it.
Everett	Yeah, I think we got through the I think we got through the ones that we needed to get through.
Andrew	Unless you're unless you want to just talk briefly about all the skeleton. Monaco's that have come out and how much I hate them.
Everett	I think I think you said it all. OK. Andrew, other things. What do you got?
Andrew	All right. So what are we now? Right. It's May 30th today. May 25th, the first half of season five of Yellowstone was released on to Peacock. Peacock! For those of you who are like me and don't pay for Power Mount Plus just for Yellowstone, you can watch Yellowstone season five. And one of my concerns with Yellowstone and with really any show like it. Is that it's going to lose me. Right. You can only fabricate so much drama. At some point, things just have to get better or stop being so shitty. Right. The Game of Thrones kind of like, oh, this is a controversial opinion. I'm glad they ended it when they did, because honestly, it was getting a little tedious. The storytelling was great. The characters were great. But it's like, come on. How much bad stuff can happen in this amount of time? Yellowstone is kind of, I've kind of been on that fear cliff the whole time. It's like, how really, really again, I get into season five, number one, I'm okay with all of the problems that come up. And it was great. I feel it, it feels very much like the final season of breaking bad. It feels very much at the, early part of the final season of Sons of Anarchy where you're like, finally, we're going to tile this up. I can feel that the end is nigh. I want resolution. And it was great. They do a really good job keeping to build these characters out. You can see it's coming and I'm loving it. I watched it over the course of four days, uh, eight episodes. And it was great. So the end is nigh. They expect the second half of the finale season to come back later this year. And I'm very much looking forward to it. So if you haven't watched it, now is the time because now you can binge watch right up to almost in real time. If you haven't started Yellowstone. I've talked about it before. If you haven't started it yet, now is the time. because you can binge watch or even just slowly take bites of it and then come the end of the year, you're fully caught up. All the knowledge is fresh and the finale will be coming. It's great. Kevin Costner is the best cowboy in the modern acting world. And I hate to say it because that sucks to say he really is. He's not a great Robin Hood, though he was the best. Because he's way better than Russell Crowe at Robin Hood. But yeah, I've I've really enjoyed this season.
Everett	You know, you brought up a bunch of shows just off the top of my head. Breaking Bad. Sons of Anarchy. Game of Thrones. Two of those shows were very good. One of those shows was very bad. And Yellowstone is more like the bad one than either of the very good shows.
Andrew	I don't think you're wrong.
Everett	Yellowstone is soapy trash. Now, I've watched enough of it. I've watched enough of it that I cannot deny that I've enjoyed it. But Yellowstone is soapy trash. It's like Sons of Anarchy, which I watched to the bitter... Oh, it was so bitter.
Andrew	I watched the final season on 1.5 speed and just to suffer through it.
Everett	And they played that show for one or two seasons too long. I think Yellowstone has done a better job in... They felt it out.
Andrew	They knew that this was the ad.
Everett	Wrapping it out. Yep. But yeah, it's not good. No, it is good. You're wrong. It's enjoyable, but it is not good. Say what you will about the end of Sons of Anarchy, or not Sons of Anarchy, the end of Game of Thrones. That's still a cohesive story that spans all those seasons. And you know, the way that ended, I think rubbed a lot of people wrong and that's fine.
Andrew	It had to because none of us wanted it to end.
Everett	That's right.
Andrew	They just can't make it go on forever.
Everett	This is a different thing than that. And same with Breaking Bad. Uh, break it. I thought the end of Breaking Bad was terrific, but I may be in a minority there, but they did a really good job with those shows and they've, they've limped to Yellowstone a lot.
Andrew	It's like succession or empire. Like how do you keep telling the story? How do you tell a story that in reality should be one season? It should be a mini series.
Everett	Well, I'll do a little bonus other thing. I did finish succession this week and the end is fantastic. I mean, I think Kieran, I think Kieran Culkin is going to win like six Emmys for this thing because he is, Oh my God. But the end is fantastic. And when, When you get to, I don't want to say anything.
Andrew	Stop it there.
Everett	But when you get to the end and you figure it all out, Google the winner, the person who's going to win, Google their name with MLB connection. And there is a fucking side story that will blow your mind and it's fantastic. So if you don't know what I'm talking about, but you have watched the show, do it now. If you haven't, just watch it. Try to remember this stupid thing that Everett said. End of succession. Really, really good. The acting, is just terrific in this last season. But that's not my other thing. That was a bonus other thing, because you brought it up. My other thing is... We love bonus other things here. My other thing is way more boring. Andrew, how do you guys store leftovers at the house?
Andrew	We wrap them in aluminum foil. No, we put them in Tupperware, like Americans.
Everett	Yeah. So we've used Tupperware before. We've used, you know, Rubbermaid or Ziploc container.
Andrew	We don't use brand name Tupperware. We like our Tupperware drawer is consists of a lot of Chinese food. OK. Plastic containers. OK. Some like leftover off brand.
Everett	Sure.
Andrew	Sealable containers. Some yogurt containers. I dig it. Some glass jars.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	Yeah. We are. We're not classy in that drawer.
Everett	No, that's, that's cool. That's cool. I'll tell you, we have gone back and forth in terms of our classiness in this regard, but a few years ago, a few years ago, we picked up, I think we picked them up from Costco, a handful, a box worth of glass lock storage containers. Do you know what glass lock is?
Andrew	No.
Everett	So GlassLock is a company, I wasn't really familiar with this company until a few years ago, but we picked up a handful of GlassLock storage containers. These are, as the name may indicate to you, glass storage containers, which means they're heavy. And they break. And they break. Not totally ideal. And they're not super cheap either. Like I think an 18 piece of these is like 60.
Andrew	54 bucks on the Amazon right now.
Everett	54 bucks, not cheap. However, these things are so well made and they work together. And the reason I decided to talk about this now, cause we've been using these for a couple of years. The reason I've brought it up now is because we just recently replenished, replenished our glass lock stores and the old shit all works with the new shit.
Andrew	Ooh, that's nice, right? That's
Everett	really nice the old shit works with the new shit and it's fantastic so we've been using these these are glass containers with plastic rubberized plastic lids they've got hinges which eventually these hinges will break but we've not had any hinge breaking We've not had any, you know, you, I can put, I would feel no reservations about throwing chili in one of these, sealing it up and throwing it in my briefcase with a computer. I wouldn't even, I wouldn't hesitate for a second.
Andrew	That was an interesting decision. You went to, you've done that before then.
Everett	I've done that before. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're sealed. They're tight. They are like strong. They're dishwasher safe. They're microwave safe. We prepare food in these. Oven safe. Oven safe. They're terrific. And for food storage, this is not exactly a buy once, cry once type sitch because you're going to lose shit and stuff's going to, you know, it's going to fall into the, the heating element on the dishwasher and you're going to have a problem. You're going to drop one.
Andrew	They have a rubber gasket on the top of the lid, yeah.
Everett	It's got a gasket, and the way the lid comes down, it actually locks and pulls the container into the lid, which is what creates the seal.
Andrew	Yeah, it's got like a bevel on the lip of the container.
Everett	Okay. That's right. These are the most terrific food storage containers I've ever used. I'm sure that there are other products doing similar things, These are the ones I've used and I think they're incredible.
Andrew	They are Amazon's choice and they have 4.6 stars over 5,972 reviews.
Everett	That's a lot.
Andrew	That's a good Amazon product right there.
Everett	That's a lot. That's a lot of stars over a lot of reviews. Yes. They're terrific. I also think that these are regularly recommended by like Homes and Garden or whoever makes these reviews, Wirecutter or whatever. I think these are regularly in those best of lists. So it may be something, you know, you've run across before, but not ever took the bid on.
Andrew	But now you have a testimonial from someone that you know and trust.
Everett	Just do it. Just do it.
Andrew	I won't for a while. My Tupperware drawer is still at toddler height. Why we use Chinese food containers, right?
Everett	Well, you know, there's something appealing about that too. Like we go to the same Chinese food place.
Andrew	They changed their menu when they reopened and it's not as good.
Everett	It's not as good.
Andrew	It's more expensive.
Everett	Do they have the same to-go containers more importantly?
Andrew	Don't know. Have an order because it's, they don't have like the two, they made some changes that were like abhorrent to me.
Everett	It's too bad. So Spruce Eats, that's their top pick. Serious Eats, it's their top pick. So yeah, Food Network. Yeah, so so folks dig these things. Folks that are in the know and talking about these things, which either means they're very good.
Andrew	Or they're paying out a lot of money.
Everett	That's right. Yeah. Uh, and they're the runner up for the wire cutters leak proof glass container set.
Andrew	It's pretty good. Yeah. Wire cutters. Reliable.
Everett	They've got snap wear as their top, which is a little less terrible. We've had some snap or two. Andrew, I think we've done it. I'm all out of things. Other things and watch things. Anything else you want to talk about before we go?
Andrew	That's it.
Everett	I took your line. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to do that. Andrew. Okay. We'll just pretend. Andrea, anything else you want to talk about before we go?
Andrew	Do you want to talk about the new Monacos? No.
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