Episode 235 - Watches Roundup for April 27, 2023

Published on Thu, 27 Apr 2023 00:16:21 -0700

Synopsis

This podcast episode discusses various new and upcoming watch releases. The hosts talk about a reissue of the Timex Flick watch in collaboration with Huckberry, a new mint-colored dial variant of the Monta Noble, a bronze-dialed collaboration between Formex and Collective Horology, a new series of Pokémon-inspired watches from Boulder, a new stainless steel version of the Marathon Navigator, a new vintage-inspired diver from Vulcain, and the recent CNN article highlighting the Cartier Crash watch. They also discuss the Netflix show "Ancient Apocalypse" hosted by Graham Hancock, which explores controversial theories about an advanced ancient civilization, and recommend listening to Seu Jorge's acoustic album of David Bowie covers in Portuguese.

The hosts make an on-air purchase of the re-issued Timex Flick watch and share their overall excitement for many of these new releases and collaborations.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew I'm irritated. Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 in 20, The Watch Cooker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life. and other things we like.
Everett Everett, how are you? Really amazing. Just, you wouldn't even believe it. I might not actually. I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to crack a beer.
Andrew Unintentional rhyme. Well done. There are six Different beers.
Everett Totally different beers.
Andrew This is the this is a total variety pack. You may also have this one. I haven't. I haven't opened. Nature calls. I haven't. That's a pea joke.
Everett Well, it will. That's a pea joke. I'm going to have a mango and and a mango and stash. I think it's just a mango stash. That's an ampersand.
Andrew No, it's a hop. I think you're stupid. All right, well.
Everett I think it's Mango and Stache. I think like Tango and Cash. I think you might be right. It's a it's a play on one of the most underrated buddy movies of all time. Tango and Cash. Turner and Hooch. Also underrated buddy movie, although a little different, a little different context there. I'm doing well, Andrew. I have sleepy eyes tonight. Oh, no. But I feel good.
Andrew I noticed you've had sleepy weekend because there's still quite a lot of mulch that you haven't addressed.
Everett Yeah. Last weekend was rough. It was supposed to be nice and then it wasn't. It was not. It was not. Um, but yeah, no, good. Good.
Andrew Andrew, how are you? I am good. I had a good weekend. I had a really productive weekend and that's what I needed to have. Got a lot of yard work done. Mowed the back. Didn't mow the front yet. It's not, I need to do a couple things before I'm ready to mow up there. But yeah, good weekend. And just plugging away. Made a terrific, terrific dinner. So I took the idea of like foil packet surf and turf. And I just foil packeted up a bunch of asparagus, corn on the cob, andouille sausage, rockfish, With a shallot and garlic lemon kind of marinade on the fish. Foil packeted it up, threw that in the oven, made some smashed potatoes, marinated some T-bones, and then sous vide the T-bones.
Everett That sounds like a lot of food.
Andrew Yeah. It's going to be like dinner tonight and dinner tomorrow. Love it. So good. All of my favorite stuff.
Everett I struggle with, with second day steak.
Andrew I, so I used to, but now I super thin slice it and make it into a sandwich. I do like horseradish or something.
Everett It's got, you gotta go super thin. I hate a thick cut steak sandwich. Yeah, it's miserable.
Andrew I hate that. No, I will take three times longer to slice it super thin. than it takes to eat it.
Everett I hate when you go to a restaurant and you order a steak sandwich and the steak is like cubes or like long strips, like, like five or six inch strips. And you you got to like either like squeeze and tear or like the whole thing just comes out.
Andrew No, I don't like that. I really want a deli slicer. And every time I think about getting a deli slicer, I'm always like, I don't have room for it. And a few months ago, I went to the just this disgusting residents, um, filled with just, are you talking about my house? No, I was at, I was working. Uh, I went to this just really, but still not, not my house, not your house. No. Uh, like next to uninhabitable residents. And these motherfuckers had a deli slicer on top of their cupboards. And I was like, even they can find room for a deli slicer.
Everett You should look for police reports from old restaurants. Uh,
Andrew They all have deli slicers. But I really want to get one because that's really the answer.
Everett Well, you know about the Hobart slicer that I picked up at a Goodwill and then sold for $400. Yes. Yeah.
Andrew Because all you had to do was what you changed like a thing.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. That's right. I don't know why you didn't keep it. Well, we talked about keeping it, but it was it was huge. They're enormous. It was huge.
Andrew It was bigger than our microwave. And for the two times a year that you use it, it's totally worth it if you can store it. Like I have a I have a seven and a half pound sausage stuffer, seven and a half pound capacity tube to stuff sausage. And I use it once a year and the rest of the year it's in its enormous box in the back of a closet. And that's where the deli slicer would also be. That's where it would live.
Everett Well, in any event, these folks didn't tune in for deli slicers.
Andrew Yeah, they do. That's why they're here. Maybe a little bit. Because the state of Oregon needs, I don't know about Portland. I can't speak to Portland. I know they have Zooks and a couple other good delis, but we need like a good Jewish deli in Eugene. We don't have like a brisket and pastrami place.
Everett Have I ever talked about this on the show? I lived in Springfield, Massachusetts for a summer and there was a place called Gus and Paul's and it was the, they had the, best the best pastrami bagel oh my gosh it was it was just life-changing we need that here we do have falling sky which has wonderful wonderful brisket and um they've got like a pork belly brisket it's that's a good place and good pastrami that's not brisket Pork belly. They've got a, uh, oh, excuse me. Pork belly pastrami. Okay. And a beef belly. They've got a pork belly and a beef belly pastrami. I can get down with that. It's phenomenal.
Andrew It's, it's pretty good. You might want to check that out. We need like a, we need a deli counter. Yeah. Walk to the counter, order your sandwich, walk out with a, with a pound of beef between two slices of rye.
Everett It's Eugene. I don't know what to tell you. You get kale and kale and.
Andrew We have we have a vegan soul food restaurant and we don't have a Jewish deli. Yeah. Yeah.
Everett What's the problem with this place? Well vegan soul food restaurant is actually pretty good too. I will not ever eat there. But it's definitely I think it's a rough market for that kind of thing.
Andrew I think we could do we could do things selling good brisket and Pastrami sandwiches. Think of cats. Cats is not a complex place. It's just magical because everything they do is perfect. We could make that happen here. I wonder if they'd sell a franchise.
Everett In any event, I don't think they'd sell you a franchise if they were going to sell it. Definitely not. In any event, we're talking about watches today. We're doing another roundup because for the second week in a row, we hit the, we, we, we hit the internets and we thought, man, there's enough really cool stuff here happening that we'd like to talk about that. We'd like to talk about that. Um, and so without further ado, I'm going to talk about something that maybe is a little bit unexpected. Uh, and maybe there's not a good, place for this in in watches right now? I don't know. But I thought this was exciting. So I have completed, I think at this point, 12 marathons and or ultra marathons, although I have not been running as of late since I destroyed my meniscus and had a huge chunk of that removed. I am considering getting back into it. I don't know about distances, but You gotta be careful. But I ran a lot back in the day. And my very favorite watch to run with was a Timex Ironman with a Flix function. I don't know why, but sometime around 2010, Timex discontinued this technology. They had been putting in Ironman watches called Flix. The way Flix worked, Um, was the way flicks worked was you would merely flick your wrist and the Indiglo would come on. So you'd put it into flicks mode. You'd flick your wrist on a run and the Indiglo would come on. So you didn't have to find a button. You didn't have to do anything.
Andrew You just cross your arms. You just stay in motion, running, flick your wrist.
Everett Indiglo comes on. It gives you either the time or your elapsed time or whatever it is that you wanted to see. They discontinued that. And I thought, gosh, that's a bummer. I don't know why. There may have been a demand reason or maybe the technology was expensive or maybe it broke. Who knows? But. Huckberry did a collaboration with Timex to reintroduce the original FlixWatch. This is not a watch I ever owned, so this was released in 1999 and Huckberry hooked up with Timex and they actually went and found the original mold for this watch and they released it this last week. Now, I have read a lot about this watch because I think it's fascinating and it's, it's a gorgeous watch. This is the classic sort of Bill Clinton, uh, Iron Man, the, the, the one that you'd know with that, you know, it looks like a, a Walkman or whatever, right? It's just screams nineties. Uh, this watch is, iconic and beautiful. And this particular watch, I think is pretty special. Oh, uh, Huckberry hooked up with Timex and they, and I think they did it right. So the only major change on this watch versus the OG is they increased the lap memory from 30 laps to a hundred laps. What I think is interesting is having read I think every article that's been written about this watch, nobody, including Huckberry in their video is talking about the flicks functionality. So I don't know.
Andrew Though it's the most interesting part of the re-release.
Everett So Blake Bettner, I love that guy at Worn Around, he did a write-up on it. And I'm not even convinced that Blake understands that there is this technology because he talks about actuating the button. to get the Indiglo to turn on. So whether Blake knows that that technology exists or not, it's unclear to me. But nobody's talking about, does this work the same? There was one mention in one article where if you put it in what they're now calling night mode, which I assume is the same thing, and lift your wrist up, maybe like an Apple Watch or something that works, but it doesn't clarify that it's got that same snap. I don't know. I don't know. So it may work the same. It may not. But this is a phenomenal watch. I think Hodinke is a pretty neat company. Obviously, we love Timex. It's 109 bucks.
Andrew And Huckberry does some really interesting stuff. Yeah, I think most of what Huckberry I can pass on. They do really cool, like bulk purchases of things, though. They're kind of a sleeper hit for people like us who want cool kind of off the beaten path watches. Yeah. I don't know what other collaborations they've done, but this is a cool one. And this is kind of on brand, which makes sense, right? Some cool retro technology collaboration.
Everett This is dope. I'm into it, man. I think it's pretty fun and they're available still. So this came on a few days ago. They're still available. 109 bucks.
Andrew It is like kind of in the zone for what they cost. It's north of it, right? They were probably like 50 bucks. That flicks technology. Is this the first? Did you just buy it on air?
Everett I did.
Andrew Yeah, this is a first. We have an on air purchase. I just bought it. Because of America and stuff. New watch alert. Live. This is that is a first. Way to go. I'm proud of you. Yay. We've talked about doing that and then just not done it and then not done it.
Everett I just put it in my cart. Yeah, this is I just I'm looking.
Andrew Thank you. Thank you for your order. Here's your order number. I mean, you show me that I was like, did you? Oh, you just bought it. Just it just happened.
Everett Just bought it. Yeah, it's a neat watch. I put my money where my mouth is. I like it. That's what I wanted to talk about. Andrew,
Andrew Putting his mouth where our balls are. Something we teased two weeks ago. Something cool happened this this last week. I don't know what day it is actually. It's Tuesday and I know what day of the week it is. I don't know what number of the month it is. Doesn't matter. Monta's doing a cool thing. Yeah, they, you know, we teased it a little bit that that that our that our friends had something to look forward to. The Montenoble with a mint makeover in the way of a mint release. And we had some off air discussion, so I won't delve too deeply into it about the nuances between green and blue. And they're important when you're both naming and putting to market a dial color. And I love this dial color. I think the iterations that I've seen, I've not seen this hue done poorly, I don't think. I really like it on the Noble.
Everett Yeah, that that's that clean, sterile Rihat is. Yes.
Andrew I think pulls the whole thing together. This is mint chocolate ice cream in a cup, not a cone, not a waffle cone. This is in a clean white cup. And I dig it. Oh, my gosh. This is kind of, I think, a little bit out of the realm of what I expect from Manta. They do a lot of iterative releases. They do some color releases. This isn't something I was expecting from them. And I'm really pleased that they did it.
Everett Well, you know, so Manta released, um, Manta released the pink and blue nobles a while back. So this, I don't, I don't actually think this is as far out of left field as, as you're suggesting. Um, but it's, I think a fun addition. It really is. It's very similar to the light blue, kind of a sky blue, and their pink releases that they released last year. But it's green. As always, you're making the keen observations.
Andrew But it's green. I really like this colorway. This is, if I was going to go for a pastel colorway, this is it. Maybe not pastel. If I was going to go Easter colors, I think that's what I'll call the entire suite of last year's color releases. Just Easter. Yeah.
Everett Well, and this is distinctly pastel too, you know, versus, uh, you know, Astor and Banks or whatever, which are a little bit more saturated. This is, this is definitely pastel, which I think goes with the overall tone of the noble where the noble falls in Montez lineup. Yeah. And frankly, I like it more than that sort of gem tone. They've got that gem tone blue thing, ombre dial that they have the Noble in. I think that this is a much better fit.
Andrew And interesting, you see a lot of these pastel dials with white logos. They kept everything black. All the print on it black, which I, which creates a really good contrast to it, making it even more mint chocolate chip ice cream.
Everett The, the, the print, the, the pad print is black, but the, but the markers are steel, which I believe on the light blue noble, the, the metal was PVD. Hmm. I think, I think that's correct.
Andrew I don't remember exactly, but a new release. New release. In their generation of momentum for this year.
Everett You know, I have to correct myself. I'm looking at it here, and I think the photo I'm looking at, it looks like stainless, just with not a lot of light play. So, correction, revision, stainless mark.
Andrew And hot take, there is one out there with PVD coated markers. Good hunting.
Everett I don't know that that's true.
Andrew There might be. We can't say with certainty.
Everett Uh, so just, uh, a few days ago, uh, yesterday Formex released it.
Andrew Like you don't know what day it is.
Everett Uh, Formex released a new collaboration watch. Uh, the, Formex Reef, they're calling this Radiant Bronze. It's a dive watch, it's a reef dive watch, and it's nothing objectively or in terms of specs, this is a Formex Reef, but they have hooked up with Collective, the retailer Collective, to do a collaboration. And the notable aspects of this is a bronze dial. Bronze is kind of a thing, but you don't often see actual real bronze metal dials, which Formex has done for this. It's got a color match date wheel. This is, again, there's not a lot of, you know, much like the Noble in green, there's not a lot here that's going to change the way we think about watches, but If you're into the FormX Reef, I know our friend Mike Razak has one, loves it. FormX, for my money, I think FormX is doing more innovative, high-tech shit than anybody in the sub $2,500 space. We often talk about... They're very much a proving ground. I think that's right. We oftentimes talk about Formex and Manta as really pushing the small brand envelope and doing it really differently, right? Almost taking diametrically opposed approaches. But in terms of bang for your buck at that $2,000-ish Those are, that's where I put my money all day. One of those two brands.
Andrew Yeah. Montos very much. How much technology can I use to make this better? And Formex is how much technology can I put into this?
Everett That's right. I think that's a great way to say it, Andrew. So this is fun. In collective, I don't know much about collective or collective horology. It's sort of a hype-y It's cost. Aficionado watch brand retailer. Yeah, this is cool. You know, they've worked so. So, for instance, I'm looking at a list here. They've worked with in the past Arm & Strom, IWC, Urwerk, Sapec. So they they are working with hitters. And and this is a fun this is a fun matchup for them.
Andrew I I really, really like The reef. It's not my jam for for a dive watch like a watch that I would buy. But this thing is dope. The beveling on the date window almost looks like it. It it razors down and touches it. You can't see air between your window and your date wheel. The font is terrific.
Everett The handsets terrific.
Andrew Yes. And the beveling on the handset is gorgeous. The markers. Yeah. Interesting to the, you, you get a, from, from your 11 to three, you have a different marker color as part of your timer. Is that right? That's certainly what it looks like. Those look PVD to me.
Everett I don't think so. I think this is the same as my noble take.
Andrew There's just no way those are not different. The way that light is catching that looks fully different.
Everett Yeah. What on earth? It's just light. Gosh, the way it plays with the light is phenomenal. That is twice in one episode.
Andrew The the way it plays with the light is amazing. So that's not something I've ever seen.
Everett We do know some things about watches. But sometimes we sometimes we we go with our guts.
Andrew Sometimes we look at a picture of something and are just I believe it. Have you ever seen a Liger? Because in this photograph, this doesn't look like a light play.
Everett Yeah, no, I saw the photo you're talking about. Yeah, I think that's just like play.
Andrew It has to be because then I look at other photographs and I'm like, oh, well, actually, you might be an asshole. No, fuck you, dude, this is different.
Everett Yeah, it's just this. This is just a gorgeous watch. There'll be a link in the show notes.
Andrew I think we were on the blue dress blue and blue and gold or black and gold.
Everett So if you look at Thomas van Straaten's review on Fratello, you'll see the photo we were looking at. And you can judge us if you'd like.
Andrew And maybe you'll see blue and white or maybe you'll see black and gold. Who knows? That's right. That's right.
Everett About what? About 50% of the way down the review, you'll see the picture.
Andrew It's the first macro dial photo. Second.
Everett Second. So we missed a watch. We missed a watch that came out first part of March. And you know, we do that from time to time. We don't talk about every watch. And this is kind of an Expensive watch and and sometimes we expensive watches. We just you know we just miss them It's not expensive in the grand scheme of things but Our friends Mr.. And mrs.. Seiko announced a brand new release To their small operation they released a dive GMT in their prospects line So reference numbers are SPB 381, 383 and 385 in typical Seiko fashion. What this is is sort of a cocktail time-ish periwinkle blue dial with a black bezel.
Andrew We're going to call it the Icy.
Everett The Icy. The Icy. I think they probably actually have a color for this. They've got a black dial with black bezel and a green dial, green bezel, although I'm going to throw this out there. I think that the green dial, green bezel, there's a bit of a hue, uh, Delta, which, uh, okay, whatever.
Andrew That can be light play.
Everett I don't think it is. I think that the dial on this watch is more blue than the bezel. Uh, having, having looked at a few of these, but I haven't seen it in person. This is a Marine Master ish 200 meter three day automatic GMT dive watch with big chunky Marine Master hands, a very Seiko dial, a fantastic looking bezel. Um,
Andrew Is this, I can't think of any other Seikos that include a power reserve line of text. Automatic three days.
Everett Yeah, that's, that's not something I think I've seen before. I mean, I'm sure that there's a hand, I'm sure that there's watches and you guys will tell us, but yeah, I think this is fantastic. I think, oh, light blue. That's what they're calling that.
Andrew It looks like the wall.
Everett So this is a 6R54 movement, perhaps unsurprisingly. It's a collar style GMT with a 72-hour power reserve, which is phenomenal. 21-600, so not quote-unquote high beat. But it's in that sort of mini Marine Master case, so 42 millimeters just under 13 thick, which is, I think is a great number, uh, 48 and a half lug to lug a great number. Um, you know, and unlike a Marine master, this is not a monocoque case. This is a regular screw off the case back multi-cock deal, multi-cock. Uh, I mean, it's got everything you want, Sapphire, blah, blah, blah. So the details. 1,500 for the green and the black, which are non-limited. The light blue is limited. I don't believe that these are going to be available online, but they will be at retail locations. So you need to find a Seiko AD in June, July. Did I say 1,700? So 4,000 of the light blue and then non-limited quantities of the green and black.
Andrew The light blue is certainly the most interesting to me. There's a photo of it on a really lovely woven kind of black, gray and white nylon strap. It has a blue GMT hand, but a really, really navy blue and a stoplight second Yeah, which one are you looking at?
Everett Oh, yeah, it is a navy. It is a navy blue. Yeah, that's fantastic.
Andrew But with in lieu of a red stoplight, it has a light blue stoplight. It's gorgeous. This is very Grand Seiko texture on the dial colorways. I mean, certainly not Grand Seiko, but taking those same cues from their cousins.
Everett Yeah, that's right. Well, and this is prospects. This is very much a prospects feeling watch, but yeah.
Andrew A hundred percent. Yeah. The black looks like just a baller.
Everett Honestly, just a beater. I'm thinking I might need this watch. I am not going to order a live on the show. Do it right now. Because we can't order it. But I think, you know, people are going to have complaints about this watch. We've got a 430 date window that's squeezed in between the dot markers. People are going to hate that. Oh, it's yeah, it's too small. It's little. We've got some interesting markers on the ReHop. I think the GMT numbers are printed on the ReHop. I'm not sure everybody's going to love that.
Andrew The end link looks weird in these photographs.
Everett We've got a funny end link, a big sort of male end link.
Andrew That doesn't contour to the case. You can see a pretty big delta between the lug shape and the end link shape.
Everett As is so often the case for Seiko, we've got a distinct, at least in these photos, a distinct difference between the brushing on the top of the case and on the bracelet. So this is not a perfect watch. This is a very much a under $2,000 Seiko watch. Uh, which is to say it's probably going to be phenomenal, but it's not a perfect watch. No, it's mass produced. Yeah, that's right. But it's a terrific watch. And I think if this is your thing, your kind of thing, this is, this is worth a look. Um, yeah, anyway, that's all I have to say about it. Andrew, you, you might have more to say about it, but, um, thin great movement.
Andrew I could have gone with a 24-hour bezel in lieu of a 24-hour... Rehaunt. Yeah. Chapter ring, whatever you want to call that. That's the word I was looking for, a chapter ring. But I think... But I see the reason for it, right? We have that dual purpose, right? We still have a dive bezel with a chapter ring that serves as your 24-hour bezel.
Everett And this is very much supposed to be a dive watch first.
Andrew Yes. Yeah. So that while you're underwater, you know what time it is.
Everett Andrew, what do you got?
Andrew Ooh, I saw an interesting article today. Uh, and I, I scrolled by it a couple of times before I finally looked at it and the article itself is kind of whatever, but what, what I felt like talking about was kind of was what it means. So the article is a CNN front page of the website article. Why this surreal dripping watch has become a cult celebrity favorite. And I don't think they mean, I don't think they mean drip like. Yeah. Well, so the first time I scrolled it, I was like, I don't, why would they use the word drip? Like their CNN is not cool enough to use drip. And I scrolled it again. They had like Jay-Z was the was the tile photo for it. And I was like, Jay-Z's got drip, but I don't think CNN has drip. So I don't think you can do that.
Everett I don't think CNN knows Jay-Z has drip.
Andrew And then I clicked it finally. And in the first photograph is the crash. Hmm. And I was like, oh, Now you have my attention. Cause I love the crash. I, I never expected myself to, to be like infatuated with Cartier. In fact, I'm a little disgusted that I am. I don't even like that. I don't use the R the second R in Cartier, but I don't, um, And this is the first time that I remember a major media source having an article entirely on the main page, entirely dedicated to a watch. There's been like, Oh, these are the watches that, you know, people are seeking after. Like, Why is the watch market blowing up? But this article was entirely about the crash. And the crash, for those of you who are somehow unaware, is the very, um, distorted, disgusting, uh, the, why is the artist's name alluding me?
Everett Uh, Edvard Munch? No. Oh. Uh,
Andrew The guy who made all the kind of creepy, melty paintings. Oh, the clocks, the melting clocks. Yeah, the melting clocks. As I get older, man, I just can't remember shit. Salvador Dali. Yeah. All the Dali like melting clocks and the folklore associated.
Everett Andrew, did you ever eat at the Southwest Portland restaurant called Salvador Molly's?
Andrew I sure did. I had the I had the the fritters.
Everett The jalapeno fritters. Or the habanero fritters.
Andrew Yeah, they weren't shit. Um, they were hot, but they weren't like they weren't what they were, but it's fresh habaneros.
Everett And so anyway, it was fantastic. It was a fantastic restaurant in Portland. It's not there anymore.
Andrew It was an interesting fusion restaurant. It had no identity and it couldn't survive. Yeah, it was fantastic food though. So the crash, the folklore around it is some fella gets in a car crash. The heat from said crash melts and warps his watch. He brings it into Cartier and It says, hey, can you fix this? And they're like, no, but your traumatic experience is so inspiring that we're going to design a watch around this. I'm sure there's probably some truth somewhere in the middle. But the whole idea of this article.
Everett I'm sure that story is just complete bullshit.
Andrew Like there's got to be something there, but just not nearly the weight that it's been given.
Everett Well, and the article you sent us has a quote from Jean-Jacques Cartier's granddaughter, Francesca Cartier-Brickell, who says she wrote a 2019 book called The Cartiers and said that that didn't happen. It was just Jean-Jacques Cartier and his designer, Rupert Emerson. decided to make a Cartier maxi oval in a obscure dolly-ish, dolly-esque format.
Andrew But the interesting thing to me is that this thing that we do and are interested in and obsess over is becoming mainstream enough to warrant a staff writers attention at CNN. That was kind of my takeaway. I was like, Oh boy, that sucks. Everything's so much more expensive because the crash is not cheap.
Everett Yeah. Well, no, you can't find them.
Andrew No, but it's gorgeous. Yeah. And I love it. And I want one. I, I would even settle with just being able to try one on. Sure. But I want it. And I'm pretty confident that if I got to try one on, I'm faster than anyone around me. That being said, I just, I thought it was really interesting that it made the main page right in CNN's main page today. Wasn't lacking for things. There was nine tiles associated with one thing. But yeah, it just, it intrigued me. And I got to look at the crash and wonder on the people who were buying it so that I can't. Freaking Chris Jenner's wearing one. Jay-Z, I want one. He's got a good bow tie too.
Everett Yeah, I think the crash is sort of an understated flex.
Andrew It's the most flex. It's, it's not, it is true lat syndrome. It's not imaginary lat syndrome. It's just there. You can hold your arms comfortably at your side and they still protrude. Sure.
Everett I think that's a fun article. Uh, yeah, kind of, kind of interesting.
Andrew Um, where I found it was what was most interesting to me.
Everett I'm always a little squeamish about, uh, I'm always a little squeamish about talking about other people's sort of op-ed content on the show, just because it feels a little bit.
Andrew But it made the front page. And that's what, that's what was intriguing to me, right? I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if Richard meal makes a front page, right? If Richard meal and Roger Federer on the front page of CNN on the, on like the top half of the online edition. Okay. I can get with that. That makes sense to me. This was surprising. Seeing Jay-Z in a crash was unexpected.
Everett I got a thing I'd like to talk about. I would like it if you would do that. There's a company that we've talked about a handful of times on this show called Boulder. Oh, yeah. Boulder is is familiar with but has an interesting relationship with Vowels. But also they make some pretty fantastic... There's only one that they like. Some pretty fantastic watches. We've talked about the Boulder Venture being really one of the most accessible and interesting tool watches that you can get for a truly affordable price. They're a fun company and they're making fantastic watches.
Andrew And they're doing it for a great price.
Everett And yeah. Very affordable. So Boulder has done a collaboration. I don't know if this is a collaboration. It must be though, right? So four watches.
Andrew There's no way they couldn't, this couldn't be, this lawsuit would be too great.
Everett That's right. Uh, released through Houdinki, uh, which each feature a Pokemon as its inspiration. Uh, You know you're old when this thing from your childhood is now being made into not terribly accessibly priced watches, right? These are for grownups. These are not for kids.
Andrew Notwithstanding the fact that they're each... Even though we all had a Pokemon watch when we were kids.
Everett This is not your child's Pokemon. So I thought this was cool for a couple of reasons. One, it's Boulder. I think Boulder does a terrific job. Um, but, but two, these are not, uh, they're not all the same. It would have been really terrifically easy for Boulder to make four of the same watch with different colors. and to name them after different Pokemon. But that is not what Boulder's done here. Instead, what they've done is released four watches with three different movements. And they and they're four different watches. That's right. So they've got a we'll just walk through the characters because that's important or the Pokemon. They've got a Pikachu, a Charizard, a Blastoise. I think I'm saying that right. And a Venusaur. So the Venusaur is using a VK64 Mechacords. It's a chronograph with a sterile bezel. Fantastic. The Pikachu and the Charizard are both using an NH35 and then a Blastoise, which is using an NH37 and including a 24 hour sub dial at the 10 o'clock location on the dial. in the dial mid dial at 12 o'clock with a dive with a dive bezel or a 12 hour bezel I should say. But a rotating 12 hour bezel. Charizard also has a 12 hour bezel. Blastoise has this fantastic black bezel. These are terrific.
Andrew No, that's Pikachu that has the black bezel with a lightning bolt balance on the second hand.
Everett Excuse me. Pikachu, yes. Blastoise with the blue dial, yes. These are terrific.
Andrew These are terrific. They're not Pokemon watches until you really study it.
Everett And the character is on the dial. So we've talked about recently, we've talked about Autodromo a handful of times and said, you know, Bradley does a really good job not making the watches over the top. And you know, they're evocative without being silly. These are, I think, an appropriate amount of silly. There's got an etched see-through case back with your character, an actual, like, Pokemon logo and a character on the back. And then also a silhouette of the character at six o'clock.
Andrew These are dope.
Everett Fantastic balances on each of these.
Andrew Each with a Pokemon branded rotor.
Everett Yeah, these are dope.
Andrew They're terrific. And they're 450 bucks.
Everett Yeah, they're totally affordable.
Andrew I don't see anywhere if they're going to be limited or not.
Everett I haven't seen that either. You have to imagine that they are, though.
Andrew I think they're going to be limited only by demand. Although I can really get down with that. Pikachu. Just like a. Like almost Nixon esque blank dial. There are only markers at your cardinal directions. Red. Arrow. Our hand. Red minute hand. And then like a. 75% yellow secondhand with a little lightning bolt. I can get down with that. And a bracelet.
Everett This is dope. Okay. Okay. This is important. These watches will only be available in Singapore, Hong Kong, and Thailand. Oh, not. Blake says not, or excuse me, this is Zach. Not ideal. If you live somewhere else, um, there's a waiting list. that you can sign up on. These are set to go on sale on Boulder's website the morning of this release. So I assume by the time you're hearing this, you will be seeing gray market listings for these.
Andrew But there's a thousand bucks. That's such bullshit. Fuck that. Don't buy them secondhand.
Everett But there's also but there's also going to be a waiting list that you can sign up for. So if you go to the link in our show notes, there is a waiting list for you to be able to get these if they're made available in the United States. And I assume this has to do with, with licensing. Probably. Yes.
Andrew Yeah. Andrew, what's your Disney owns Pokemon in the U S you ready for it? I'm ready. This is something that I have been, Nintendo, by the way. I'm sure Disney owns that shit in the US. I know Nintendo owns Pokemon, but my assumption is that Disney owns it because Disney owns everything. Disney owns Fox.
Everett I think it's owned by Nintendo and GameStop.
Andrew Which means that Reddit owns it. This is something that we have been begging for. for some time. I'm going to read you title. Marathon release a stainless steel version of their navigator. And I love the resin navigator, but I have always wanted the option in steel. It's here. We have a steel navigator. It is every bit as thin. It is every bit as curvy, but now it's in steel and I love it. If it wasn't $830, I would also be buying it right now on the air because this is going to require conversation. This is dope. It's the Marathon Navigator that we all know and love. It's one of my favorite watches. Everything that Marathon does, I love. And now it's in steel. And now I'm on board. I have enough resin watches. I have enough steel watches if we're being fair, but I want watches in steel.
Everett This is it. This is dope. Yeah, it's pretty incredible.
Andrew It's 316L, right? You just don't get better than that. Cause that's what everyone uses.
Everett So these are, I think these are pretty interesting. So the, I don't know what a Death Stan strap is. That's what they're selling these on, but this is, I'm not sure. This is a, you know, marathon mil spec watch, a hundred meters of water resistance, which is a, bump. It's got a screw down crown, a 12 hour bezel. And, and I believe, I believe they've reduced this by two millimeters, 13 to 11. They've reduced this down to 11 millimeters.
Andrew And I'm wondering why they can't do that in their resin molds.
Everett I don't know.
Andrew I'm just wondering if their resin molds are residual from the nineties. I think water resistance.
Everett It's gotta be water resistance. Um, this is pretty terrific. Yeah. I mean, and I don't think that price is unreasonable for what you're getting here in terms of a watch. It's not an impulse buy, like... It's not a flyer, not by a long shot. For many of the folks who I think are used to this watch, $420, or who are familiar with this watch, $420, maybe not a flyer purchase, but certainly in the range. This is a little bit more than that, but man, it's terrific. 11 millimeters thick, 48 millimeters long, 41 millimeters with that asymmetric side. This is a terrific watch.
Andrew And we love this watch.
Everett We love this watch. We've talked about this watch on this show. Well, we've talked about the Navigator on the show probably about 30 times. I love the upgrades. I love that it's steel. Uh, you know, obviously Bill Yao was doing a similar thing to this. Um, and, and I think, I think an MK2 or a, um, Oh, what's his other brand? Uh, I think that this is different than those perhaps a little less, uh, refined, perhaps a little bit more utilitarian.
Andrew It absolutely is because it's a mil-spec. It's like buying CWC or any variety of the G10s or any W10. It is inherently, because it is mil-spec, it is lower quality and higher cool.
Everett Yeah. You are getting quartz on this, right? It's not a, this is not a mechanical movement. This is a high torque quartz movement.
Andrew Which is, that's what the idea is. These are, Issued to people. These are disposable items in the military. They're called durable. They're accounted for, but expected to be lost or destroyed. They're not expendable and expendable is like a pen through its use is expected to be destroyed. This is an item that is expected to eventually fail, break or require replacement. This is a durable item.
Everett I think it's pretty fun.
Andrew I super dig this. I might get one of these.
Everett DEF STAN is a UK Ministry of Defense M.O.D.
Andrew material standard term. And for $30 less you can get on their ballistic strap.
Everett And everybody's just going to put it on whatever NATO they like best anyway. On an Alpha Shark.
Andrew Well, Andrew or a manky, I feel, Ooh, I feel you could do them. You could do this.
Everett Oh, I feel a little bit like you stole my watch. Yeah.
Andrew I was super excited about this. I had this, this was my second pick behind, um, the, the Manta release.
Everett So I'm going to talk about a different watch. Do it. Volcane, volcano. most famous, at least recently, for its cricket watches, the President Cricket Watches. Volkane released earlier this year a Skin Diver Nautique collection, which is sort of, you know, Volkane, one of these brands that was gone for many years. And this is, you know, kind of the next phase in the revamping of Vulcain. This is a sort of vintage-y dive watch. They're calling this a Skin Diver. It's not an HK Skin Diver, which in my mind always feels like a little bit of a mismatch. And I think this is terrific. I think that this is a really, really elegant, lovely watch. So it's a 38 millimeter Skin Diver watch with really classic styling, fantastic looking case finishing. Gosh, this watch looks like it was released 50 years ago.
Andrew Yes. But with all the technology of now, 200 meters of water resistance and at a 28, 24, 25 joules, 316L steel. Here's a complaint that I think you'll have. 38 hour power reserve.
Everett Yeah, whatever. Womp womp. Yeah, that's fine.
Andrew This is a really lovely watch and it it. It is the thing. Right now, the cool thing right now, not the hype thing is the 60s. Skin diver. Super thin, super clean lines, not a ton of beveling. Not an H case, but an H case skin diver.
Everett Yeah. And this is a 200 meter watch too. So I tend to think of skin divers as usually being a little bit thinner. This is coming at a super respectable 12 millimeters.
Andrew I think of 110 meters of water resistance when I think of a skin diver, if I'm being honest.
Everett I mean, there's no reason that you couldn't just call this a dive watch if you wanted to.
Andrew The salmon dial is an interesting choice.
Everett Yeah. That's the sole dial color. So sole dial color, um, which is, which is salmon. Yeah. Uh, Oh no, that, I think that there's a black dial. There is, but this releases the salmon. This releases the salmon dial as well. So, uh, it, it, it's a pretty terrific watch. Oh yeah. They released these in January in blue and black, and this is the salmon version.
Andrew And the domed sapphire, but I think salmon's a weird color for,
Everett I like it. And the versions released in January both had pretty yellow loom. And this has got a crispy, crispy white loom on it, which I think is what I like about this. So dome dial or a curved dial underneath a domed sapphire crystal. It is sapphire. It's not acrylic, which Take it or leave it. Take it or leave it. It's, you know, some will love that. I think the case on this is terrific. It's the same case as the January versions, but it is a really lovely case.
Andrew 1,500 francs. So what's that? 1,800 bucks?
Everett Yeah, I think that's right. Yep. Ish. Under 2,000 bucks.
Andrew Yeah, under 2,000. Volcain's doing some cool stuff.
Everett Well, they're just getting started. I think it'll be interesting. Volcain feels to me like they've got the opportunity to be a bit of a step up from brands like perhaps Zodiac or Nevada. I think Volcan's got the cachet to be just a bit of a step up from those two brands. So it'll be interesting to see how they handle their releases and how they handle their items.
Andrew As it stands, they are not. I think they're positioning themselves to to maybe be there in the middle of this. I'm just looking in the middle of this article. I have a Ryan Reynolds staring at me wearing a Tag Heuer Carrera ad. Got to love that, which is not another thing. It's just it's a it's an observation.
Everett Got to love it. Got to love it. Well, Andrew, I'm a lot of watch things.
Andrew I'm I'm not. But I understand that we are out of time.
Everett So. So move it along. We should. Andrew. Other things. What you got?
Andrew My wife turned me on to a TV show and she did it in a really weird way. We were like. We were not driving a significant distance, but we were driving just long enough that. Like weird conversation topics came up. Sure, I know that. She's like, Have you watched the show? It's about this guy. It's like. Maybe that's possible. I require a lot more details to confirm or deny. So I guess this guy who says like, you know, at the end of the world, people just showed up and taught everyone the same thing at the same time. I was like. OK, and she goes, Joe Rogan likes him. I was like, I was like, what on earth are you talking about? Because what? So a couple of days later, we're trying to decide to watch on Netflix and the tile comes up because this this is the show. This is the show. And it's called Ancient Apocalypse and I'm familiar with the show. I'm familiar with Graham Hancock. I'm familiar with Joe Rogan. Um, and so I watched it because interesting. I like conspiracy theory things, not because I buy into them, but because I'm fascinated by the idea of them, right? Like I love listening to Flatterthirst talk. I could listen to Wayne all day. I could, like, I would sit on your front porch with Wayne with a case of beer.
Everett My father-in-law is a flat earther.
Andrew He published a book at Costco. I love it. It's so fascinating to me. So this show, Ancient Apocalypse, it's hosted by a fella named Graham Hancock. Graham for non British people. He's kind of infamous in the archaeological community for being somebody who Joe Rogan likes. And for those of you who like Joe Rogan, I don't dislike Joe Rogan. But Joe Rogan is a guy who like grabs onto these ideas because it's cool. It's a little bit edgy and trusts the people who self-proclaim as experts, which is fine. Graham Hancock is not exactly an expert, but he raises some really interesting ideas, as do flat earthers, as do most conspiracy theory people. The problem with conspiracy theory people is that they find an outcome and then they Search for reasons to support their outcome. So Graham Hancock's position is that. During the last ice age, there was actually an exceptionally advanced civilization that existed. That was virtually. Not virtually, that was destroyed by a cataclysmic event that prompted the end of the last ice age. And the survivors of this civilization traversed the earth to share with hunter gatherers technology in that They left, they survived the flood and they went to places like Central America and East Asia and South America and North America and said, Hey, this is how you farm. This is how you build temples. This is how you do this, that, and the other thing. And, and uses these ancient kind of inexplicable monuments as his support and defense for his opinion. And if you watch it without a grain of salt of understanding that he is by and large discredited by archeologists at large and is searching for evidence, not to understand, but in support of his opinion, you could get on board with his idea. Cause he's compelling. He's really charismatic. There's a lot of unexplained things in history. There's a lot of things. It's like, well, how did they do that? And the fact of the matter is we don't know. And people want answers. And it's okay to not know because these things happened thousands of years ago. He, he asserts that, well, we don't know because we don't want to accept that it's actually because it supports my opinion. But his storytelling is really lovely. The places he goes are just mesmerizing. He spends time in all over the world looking at these ancient monuments and exploring these ancient monuments and proposing these really interesting ideas that aren't 100% wrong. But I think the conclusions he draws from them are probably incorrect. It's a really beautiful show. If you can, if you can also take into mind that you're listening to a conspiracy theorist.
Everett Yeah. So I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm familiar with Graham Hancock. So, so, you know, he's one of these folks that are, I think that the area of study that he's in is most accurately described as pseudo archaeology, which is to say... Yeah, he's like a cryptozoologist. He relies on these discredited studies to confirm his bias, right? Yes. I think the problem with Graham Hancock in particular, and other folks of that same ilk, is that oftentimes, and certainly this is the case, at least my opinion is the case, that Graham Hancock has some sort of racial bias to the work he does. And I find that incredibly offensive. And so, I'm not calling you out, Andrew, because I don't think you said anything that's inappropriate. But I think, you know, for instance, Graham Hancock, he's got these theories that are just bullshit, right? Almost certainly. I can't say they're bullshit because I wasn't there, right? but these things are likely bullshit. But, but then he does things like he, he basically suggests that the Mayans are an unremarkable, unremarkable historical society. And, and just other things where you can tell that there is this, there's something underlying the theories that is caustic and, and awful. And so that's the problem I have with, when you look at it, it's not just interesting or there's something problematic there. So, which is to say nothing of the show, because I haven't seen it.
Andrew In the much deeper layer and in the deeper into Graham Hancock's dogma. Yes. Right. There's some bigger issues. The show itself is fascinating. It highlights these really interesting historical sites, monuments even, that are largely unexplored, largely unstudied. For example, there's one in, uh, Oh shoot. I don't remember exactly. It was in Indonesia. I think it's this beautiful terraced ruin with cut stone, a timber cut stone that had a five or six subterranean chambers ranging from like 30 to 70 meters underground that had never been excavated, never been explored, but through GPR, like through ground penetrating radar are known to exist period. They are there, but have never been explored. And that's kind of his thing is what don't we know? And, and he has, he, he's his own, spaghetti mess of problems, but he raises and raised in this show some really interesting archaeological problems that probably aren't, but interesting archaeological things that need addressed. If for no other reason, than to tell them to be quiet.
Everett Yeah. Fair enough.
Andrew Yeah. But, but also do it. Yeah. Archaeology is this beautiful study of things that have happened and trying to put pieces together in this puzzle. And something that I appreciate about conspiracy theorist archaeologists like him is that they're constantly pushing for We aren't looking at this. We aren't looking at this. We aren't looking at this. They're looking for the wrong reasons, right? They're looking for confirmation bias. And that's like, I'm not, I'm not trying to lift this fella up, but I am trying to say that I wish that there was more money in this field to be able to explore things that we know are there that we just haven't gotten to.
Everett Yeah, sure. Yeah. Well, and, and it's fun to, to learn about the, the, these things that, that you've never even heard of.
Andrew Yeah. I'd heard of a lot of this and I was like, no, this is just, is, is objectively false and has been disproven more times than not. Which is why I like listening to Flat Earthers. It's like, really? You think that? Really?
Everett What? Unbelievable. And it always, you know, literally unbelievable.
Andrew Flat Earth always devolves into 9-11. Oh. Wow. It always goes there. Yeah. It just, it just is a rabbit hole of conspiracy theories and I love listening to conspiracy theorists.
Everett Andrew, I've got another thing. I'm ready for you to do. And it is not a conspiracy. Are you sure? A hundred percent. There is a Brazilian musician and actor by the name of Seu Jorge, are you familiar?
Andrew I am familiar, but as I'm trying to type it, I can't spell it.
Everett Yeah. So, S-E-U-J-O-R-G-E, Seu Jorge. He is a Brazilian samba musician and is sort of credited for revitalizing samba music. He's a fantastic musician, but he's also an actor. He was in the very, very good and perhaps even underrated movie City of God, as well as in Life Aquatic, which is just a fantastic movie. It's a watch movie. And it's a watch movie. That's right. Seu Jorge is a very good musician, but he is all over the place in the way he approaches music. I, he released an album in conjunction with the movie Life Aquatic called Life Aquatic, The Studio Sessions. And the album is a acoustic guitar and just, it's just an acoustic guitar. and Seu Jorge's voice doing a full album of David Bowie covers in Portuguese, which is hard. So listen, there are maybe three albums that have ever been made that in any circumstance I can put on, I can A, trust, that I am going to love that album all the way through, start to finish. And B, trust that the person I'm with, no matter who it is, it could be my mom, it could be my wife, it could be my friend who's my age and is kind of wild and crazy. It does not matter. Everybody who I've ever enjoyed this album with is like, holy shit, that is fantastic. So I went to Denver recently, and we'd had kind of a long or I went to Colorado, and we'd had a sort of a long basketball day at the NCAA March Madness tournament. And went from that to a drive to Winter Park, which is not a super long drive, I think it's about an hour and change hour and a half.
Andrew So drive when you're tired and a little hungover, and we're in and we're in
Everett fucking Colorado in the mountains. And that drive is treacherous. It is. There are about 35 hairpin turns over the course of about 30 miles, maybe less than that. And it's just a tough drive. And I'd asked my friend and partner, business partner, what do you want to listen to? And he's like, I don't know. I don't want to choose. Just put something on that's easy to listen to and low key. And I put this album on and he had never heard it. You didn't turn on Brass Monkey? I didn't. He had never heard this album, and he didn't say anything. We weren't really talking. It was late. We're exhausted, and it's dark. You couldn't see anything. It was a stressful drive, and we got to Winter Park, and he was like, A, I don't know what that was, but it was amazing. I need you to send that to me. And B, what the fuck was that? And I was like, oh, what's this Brazilian fellow? You know, it's in Portuguese, right? The whole entire album is in Portuguese is not the most elegant language.
Andrew No, but it sounds familiar, right? It's so familiar to Spanish, to English, but it's also totally foreign to those of us who speak both of those languages.
Everett So I think that there are going to be two types of people that hear this other thing this week. There are going to be one, the type of people who have heard this album and know it and fucking love it. And two, the type who has not heard it, has no clue who Seu Jorge is, and is completely on the fence about whether I'm giving you good advice. Here's what I'm going to say. He's giving you good advice. Stop what you're doing. Turn us off. You can turn us off right now. We're not going to say anything important after this. Turn us off. Pull up this album, Seu Jorge Life Aquatic Studio Sessions, and just play it. It is, I think, one of the most perfect albums ever made. It is, it's incredibly simple. Here's what he does. He, it's just this man's voice and an acoustic guitar. And he, without replicating anything Bowie does, because he does not sound like Bowie. The music doesn't sound like Bowie. He, we're going to be careful here.
Andrew We're going to get about 10 seconds.
Everett He captures the spirit of these songs. These songs are familiar, even though they're nothing like the originals. It is wonderful. Look it up. Listen to it. You can send your thank yous by way of Patreon contributions.
Andrew You don't have to, but we would super appreciate it.
Everett But you should.
Andrew Yeah, you should.
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