Best of Watches and Wonders 2023

Published on Thu, 30 Mar 2023 09:00:35 -0700

Synopsis

The hosts Andrew and Everett discuss various watch releases from the recent Watches and Wonders event, including models from Grand Seiko, Cartier, Oris, IWC, Rolex, Tudor, and Tag Heuer. They share their thoughts and reactions to the new designs, sizes, colors, and features. Andrew also recounts his recent trips to Denver for the NCAA tournament and skiing in Winter Park. The hosts talk about their weekend experience trying virtual reality gaming at an arcade. Everett recommends the Netflix documentary "Pepsi, Where's My Jet?" about a man who took on Pepsi over a promotional offer for a Harrier jet.

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Andrew	Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20 The Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett	I'm so good. It feels so good to be back on the board, man. Like it was just I missed it. It runs way better when you're doing it. Uh, no, I'm doing super well. Uh, it is it is Tuesday. Tuesday, but as it will be Thursday, it's opening day of the baseball season, which is fucking rad. Tune into the Mariners' first game tonight at 7.30 Pacific Time.
Andrew	Not for us. That's an hour ago.
Everett	I'm looking forward to that. I'm looking forward to that as we sit here on Tuesday. I'm looking forward to two days in the future when that's happening. Which is your present. Which is your present. Yeah, not our present. Not my present. It's you, you, you.
Andrew	Yes. What we're doing is we're experimenting with time travel right now.
Everett	No man, I'm doing great. Um, well I, I had a nice weekend. I went to a mountain cabin this weekend with some friends, people I like a lot. Oh yeah. And you were there too. I was there.
Andrew	Uh, as an aside.
Everett	For your birthday.
Andrew	It was for my birthday.
Everett	Andrew, we have scheduled this trip. We had a, um, golf. We had a golf tee time at one of the top 20 public courses in the country. Mm hmm. The Nicholas course at Pronghorn in Bend, Oregon. It snowed a lot. It snowed a lot. We almost didn't make it. We almost didn't make it over the San Diem Pass here because there was so much snow. And in fact, the San Diem Pass was a portion of it was closed. yesterday for an avalanche. So it was a little, it was a baby avalanche, but in the past sometimes there are less baby avalanches. Uh, yeah, we had this fantastic golf outing planned. We didn't make it to that, which was a little bit of a bummer for because of the snow.
Andrew	It snowed about four inches the night we got there. Nevermind that it had snowed like 10 inches in the previous couple of days.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	Yeah, that's right.
Everett	And so there was just enough snow. The golf course is at a lower elevation, so theoretically less snow, but they called us the morning of and said, sorry guys, you are not golfing today.
Andrew	I even got high-vis balls just for that very reason.
Everett	My balls are always high-vis. Why? Just let it marinate, okay? But instead we did virtual reality?
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	I'm saying that to you, like maybe you don't know what I'm talking about, but in fact, we're going to save that.
Andrew	Actually, we're going to circle back to this.
Everett	Okay. We'll circle back. Uh, but all in all, it was a good weekend. Now I'm back to work. Oh, Oh, also, yeah, nevermind. You know, I went to Colorado, watch the first two, two rounds of the tournament in Denver at ball arena, which is a nice facility, uh, formerly Pepsi center, something like Pepsi, something. Um, and now named Ball Arena. And I thought, what's ball? What is ball? It'd be funny. Ha ha. It's a mason jar arena. It's literally ball. The mason jar company is the anyway. And then I went to Winter Park for three days and skied, which was pretty phenomenal.
Andrew	I would say pretty OK would be my guess.
Everett	Yeah, no, it was really good. That place, if you're in the Denver area, you already know. But if you're looking for a ski trip, I would say put Winter Park on your list. There's a ton of lodging. None of it's super nice. It's not the ritziest place, but they've got fantastic human management on that mountain. The lines are very manageable. We were there at a decent time, but the snow was good. It was beautiful Bluebird much of the time. Um, the, the runs are good. They've got a ton of variety. They got moguls, they got groomed stuff. Phenomenal, really, really good place. I'd recommend it if you're looking for a trip somewhere affordable, everything was affordable. I mean, that's relative, right? But we're, this is a watch podcast.
Andrew	Okay. When you're going skiing, it's affordable relative to when you're going skiing.
Everett	That's right. I really enjoyed it. It's, there are more, uh, luxurious ski trips, but this is a good one. I'd fully recommend it.
Andrew	That's like saying, Oh, I went to Noma and it was pretty good. Yeah. Obviously you're in world class skiing conditions. Like I should hope that you enjoyed it because it was, it's amazing.
Everett	I, yeah, I did. It was actually, I was telling my, I was telling my law partner who I was traveling with, It's the most ostentatious trip I've ever taken in my life. We flew first class both ways. We stayed in nice hotels. We, it's like, man, really, really pulling out the stops. You know, I'm a poor kid. I'm a poor kid from Southeast Portland. So like, this is not, this is not normal for me. And it was pretty, it was pretty cool to be like.
Andrew	Ballin.
Everett	Ballin on a budget. Ballin on a budget.
Andrew	There wasn't really a budget though.
Everett	Well, there was. We figured little things out. Also, if you're going to do NCAA tournament, here's a pro tip. There are hospitality packages. If you get your tickets early enough, get a hospitality package. The tickets were expensive. I don't know how much. We had fantastic seats, but with those seats, because we bought all three sessions, we had access to this roped off private hospitality area with food. We got two drink tickets per round, which is not a lot. It's plenty, but it's not a lot. Um, but we had food the whole time. We didn't have to buy, you know, a hot dog when a hot dog is 24 bucks. It is very nice to have prepaid food and beverages.
Andrew	You also didn't have to wait in concession stand.
Everett	No concession stand lines. We always had a seat. So that's the other thing, right? You come out at halftime or whatever, and there's nowhere to sit. We had very, we had a very good time. It was phenomenal. One of the best trips I've ever taken in my life. I enjoyed it. The only thing sad about is that I wasn't with my family, but there are also benefits to that.
Andrew	Yes. Especially when you're watching two days of basketball.
Everett	It was very much not a family trip. So, but that's a little selfish. It's fine. I'll take it. I was a selfish trip. I loved it. I enjoyed, I enjoyed the shit out of it.
Andrew	Your kids go to overnight camp. That's right. They don't take you.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. I didn't get invited to camp. No, no, I didn't get a thing.
Andrew	A bow diddly bop or campfires or you can get to ride on horseback. Yeah. Shoot bows and arrows. No, no. They they have their things. You get yours, too. Andrew, how are you? I am good. I you know, I also had a fun weekend. As we've already discussed, I was a little bummed that we didn't get to go golfing at the Nicholas course at Pronghorn. Yeah. But it was very cool to have what is, you know, the second to last weekend in March and be in pure winter weather experience. I love the snow. I love the cold. Getting to go to it unexpectedly was awesome. Getting there was a little bit less awesome. That was the most, probably the second most treacherous traverse I've ever made of a mountain pass. It was hairy. Uh, and the first, the first, most treacherous was, um, I think maybe less because it was all fresh snow. Like it was like white out blizzard. So even if you wanted to get to leave the roadway, I was driving a Mazda three and I was driving in the ruts of the vehicle in front of me in probably like seven to 10 inches of snow.
Everett	You just on rails.
Andrew	I was just on rails. So it's felt scary cause it wasn't my car. It was Sam's dad car, dad's car. So there was some consternation there, but, I couldn't have wrecked if I wanted to. This time I very well could have wrecked.
Everett	Yeah, it was fun. I mean, it was exciting. I put on chains for the first time in many, many years.
Andrew	I did not put on chains, but I have snow tires and four-wheel drive and exceptional hand-eye coordination.
Everett	And I'm a professional killer.
Andrew	And I have perfect vision too, so that helped.
Everett	I've got perfect vision when I put on my giant glasses.
Andrew	I did not have, I should have replaced my windshield wipers probably at the beginning of winter. Uh, there's a dead spot right in the middle of my driver's side windshield wiper.
Everett	Ooh, I can't do it.
Andrew	There's like an inch inch wide strip that isn't, uh, wasn't getting, I can't do it.
Everett	I changed my windshield wipers twice a year. What I do. Yep. I changed them. I changed them in the spring. I changed them in the fall. I love a crispy windshield wiper.
Andrew	It doesn't affect me. Yeah. I think we should probably get to it.
Everett	This is one of our longer, uh, we're not even talking about watches. We had nothing to talk about this week. So we're just going to talk about basketball and golf and first class flights. You know, you get to pick your meal on a first class flight. Yeah. United. When you check in, they say, what do you want to eat?
Andrew	I was like, well, we're talking like last meal kind of rules here or like I'm going to have the Italian meatballs. Yeah, you are. And I did last week was fun with will. I did miss you.
Everett	Yeah. You know, you guys did a great job. I thought, you know, there was a couple of things where my, my, uh, uh, anal retentiveness, I was like, Oh boy. Oh boy. But.
Andrew	Well, you are the, you are the producer and the editor.
Everett	I'm, I am the podcast daddy. And I will say, I was, I thought it was a really enjoyable listen. I really, I really liked the episode. I don't always listen to our shows. I listened to that one all the way through, and I thought it was just a pleasure.
Andrew	Well, you had to. There was a lot of edits to be made that I marked down in crayon. That's right. That's the life I live, where that was the nearest writing implement.
Everett	No, it was really good. And I will say, furthermore, you guys don't know this, but we oftentimes cut out three to five, 30-second to five-minute cuts of the show. And I felt like in the olden days, if you were listening, you probably could have told where they were. More often than not, we are, we just know what we're doing. And so we pick back up and when we make those edits, it is seamless. And I thought you guys did a really good job. I'm usually the one that kind of drives that like, okay, here's where you start and then you start and then we get through it and it's fine. But yeah, I listened through after I edited And I was like, no, I can't even, I can't even tell where they are. And I'm the one who did the cuts. Nice. Yeah. Good job.
Andrew	I didn't listen. Cause I talked.
Everett	Yeah. You were there. No, you were there.
Andrew	I was there for that conversation.
Everett	What'd you guys think of Will's episode? Any comments? I haven't heard a lot from you guys. I haven't heard a lot. I'm going to tell you that right now. I haven't heard a lot from you guys. Nobody even noticed that I wasn't here. Nobody said, is Everett okay? Is Everett healthy? Did he make it back? Nobody cares. And it hurt me a little bit. It cut me deep.
Andrew	I've been sending out messages on our old Instagram account.
Everett	You still have access. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Good. Good. Good. Yeah. Um, yeah. You know what, Andrew? I lied about something.
Andrew	Yeah. That's not surprising.
Everett	There is a lot to talk about and we're going to do a weird thing this week. Very. Yeah. A weird thing for us. This is not a weird thing in the watch world. Um, in fact, everybody every single watch publication that exists is talking about the thing we're going to talk about. But we decided for the very first time ever that we were struck by the Watches and Wonders releases from 2023. Yes. And we decided, you know what? It's a week. It's one episode. It's not really our wheelhouse. But there's enough going on here that we should talk about this because there's a lot of fun things. There's a lot of I think maybe long-term interesting things that have happened in the last two weeks, or at least that have been announced in the last two weeks, week to two weeks, that deserve a little bit of attention from us. You guys are tuning in because you care what we think, weirdly enough.
Andrew	For whatever reason.
Everett	I think this was a really a remarkable Watches and Wonders release season.
Andrew	Yes. Typically, Watches and Wonders comes out where all the all the Watches and Wonders releases come out. And I'm like, oh, that's neat. Cool. Oh, blue. It's blue. Way to go. It seems like a color release with like occasionally like, hey, here's our new case. Material. Here's a and then some like super niche like here's the new thinnest thing and here's our rendering for what we're going to do next time to make it thinner. And I don't know, I'm just I'm typically kind of underwhelmed. Less so. This year, now there are some duds. Well, of course, there's some things that came out that I was like, I wish that hadn't. But a handful of things. were announced or released, that piqued my interest for sure.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. Me too. Me too. We've actually picked kind of a small selection of things here. Um, I think I want to start somewhere where I feel comfortable. Is that okay?
Andrew	Yeah. I've been wearing our underpants. Like you should be comfortable.
Everett	I'm wearing sweatpants. I'm wearing some, I'm wearing some sock and ease. I'm comfortable. And with that in mind, I'm going to talk about a release from a company called Seiko. Have you heard of this Japanese company?
Andrew	Are they new?
Everett	Well, this is actually not a Seiko release. Rather, this is a Grand Seiko release, which is a totally different company. I think Grand Seiko used to be part of Seiko, but then they sold it to themselves under a different brand. It's genius. Grand Seiko. So there was a A handful of Grand Seiko things that have happened in the last couple of weeks, but one in particular caught my eye. This is the, according to Hodinkee, the meticulously engraved Grand Seiko SBGZ009. It's a manual wind, time only, three hand watch that is hand engraved at the Seiko Micro Artist Studio, which, oh, okay. That's, that's fine. This, this Micro Artist Studio is a thing for Grand Seiko. This is where they make their beautiful dials and yada, yada, yada, yada. But this thing is a platinum hand engraved, very reminiscent of Like maybe late 70s, early 80s kind of watch design. This is different than anything I can remember being released in watches since I've started collecting watches.
Andrew	Yes. Yes. It is gorgeous. On first glance, you, you, the, the, the way the engraving is done on the case, It's kind of lost on me for the texture of the dial. The texture of the dial is. The first time I've seen Grand Seiko. Dial texture. And not scoffed at the way it was described. Hmm. Right, because it's like, oh, it's this. We all know it. We all know how Grand Seiko describes their colors, their textures. But I was like, this is birch bark. Like this is the this is gorgeous. It's just gentle, rippling waves. And then you get into these macros of the case and it's all a continuation of the case. And it's this continuation of that same very dramatic but also somehow really subtle engraving and texture across the entire watch. This thing is stunning.
Everett	Yeah. No, I totally agree. So this is not the first time Grand Seiko has done this. So, and, and I don't even think it's the first time, um, Grand Seiko. In fact, I know that they've done this same thing or similar things with other watches, other Grand Seiko spring drive watches. But this is the first time that I've seen it. And I've thought, oh, my. So this is there. They refer to this as the birch inspired or they they refer to this style as birch inspired. It's a nine hour or two hand by movement, which is a phenomenal spring drive movement with an 84 hour power reserve. It's phenomenally thin. Uh, it's platinum 38 and a half millimeter diameter, 9.8 millimeter meters thick. It's platinum. This is nine 50 platinum. So this watch costs all of the money.
Andrew	It's only $79,000.
Everett	Give me all of your money.
Andrew	And there's only 50 of them being made.
Everett	Yeah. Which maybe seems excessive.
Andrew	Like yeah, maybe, I don't know. I think, These will be sold in the afternoon.
Everett	Well, if they may already be sold, yeah.
Andrew	I'm smitten.
Everett	I'd love to see one in person. If I only had $80,000 sitting around. But that was the first thing that caught my eye. I figured we'd talk about it. This is really a lovely watch. But that's all I have to say about it. Andrew?
Andrew	No, I don't have anything else to say either.
Everett	What's next, man?
Andrew	Oh, I want to talk about. Something that I usually kind of poo poo watches and wonders color releases. Oh, I know you're going to talk about because usually color releases are just like, yeah, whatever. Santos de Cartier. Shiny green dial. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. OK, what is up? Now, as we've talked about, green dials don't usually do it for me. This does it for me. So it's the, it's the Santos or the Santos de Cartier that we're all familiar with. Replace the white dial with this beautiful sunburst-y jade green. Yes, sir. Silver markers. Hands. The whole bit. This is gorgeous. I wouldn't trade my white dial for this. I could see myself having also this. Maybe in the large, though.
Everett	Yeah, so, I mean, this is really just a, I say just, this is just a Cartier de Santos, right? There's not, it's a, it's a dial iteration, yeah?
Andrew	It's a pure dial iteration change. I don't think there's any upgrades. I don't think there's any changes. It's just a lovely, lovely, great green.
Everett	It's a good green.
Andrew	Yeah. They're coming into the medium and large models. Yeah. I'm for it. It's a beautiful watch. Yeah. I would miss the blue hands. That's one of my favorite parts. It's the blue hands on the white dial. Yeah, yeah. Also as a date. I wonder if it comes a no date on the medium.
Everett	You know, I don't know.
Andrew	I think it probably does. It's not unattractive. No, I kind of like the no date. You know, today I put on my Santos and all I had to do was wind it. It was it just happened to be at the time that it was. I love that, man. That was that was how I knew today was going to be a good day. It's like putting on a Vostok and the date's already set. You're like, golly, it's going to be a really good day.
Everett	Uh, I've got another watch I'd like to talk about. Do it. It's a, it's also a watch from Cartier. Oh, wow. This is a, this is a, what do we call it? Um, A re-release? This is an original tank. So what they're calling these the Privé Tank Normal, probably saying that wrong.
Andrew	The original normal tank.
Everett	That's right. So this is sort of a 1917 tank reissue, fully modern, with a slightly upsized proportions because the original tank was really little. So instead of being 27 millimeters, this is a 35 millimeter tank, which is still pretty dainty, but a little bit bigger. There are a handful of these, each limited to 200 pieces, or the yellow gold and the platinum ruby are limited to 200 pieces. I think these are pretty stunning. They're way out of my price range. A hundred each on those. Oh yeah.
Andrew	There we go. Yeah.
Everett	These are really fun watches and I think that they do something a little bit different than the standard tank that you might get at your boutique. These have a more vintage feel and they also have a slightly more I don't know what the right phrase is. A slightly more upscale feel to them. They are going to be available when they're available. There's some skeletons. The prices aren't being publicly discussed as far as I can tell. Because if you've got to ask. Which I think is a if you've got to ask type of situation. But these are phenomenal. So I think my favorite of these is a platinum on platinum skeleton, which is crazy. Diamond encrusted platinum on platinum skeleton. It's ridiculous, but it is.
Andrew	The platinum and ruby is it for me because I love that bracelet.
Everett	Yeah. These things are pretty epic. These are beautiful watches.
Andrew	I think this is something that Cartier really shines through on that they're not just a watchmaker, that they primarily are a jewelry maker and a fashion brand who also happen to have this really rich history in watches. Yeah. And have combined those two skill sets in a really unique way in brands like, like Bulgari haven't quite been able to figure out.
Everett	Yeah, I think that's right, Andrew.
Andrew	Because this is a jewelry piece. Yeah, but it's also a phenomenal watch with. Like as much history as a wristwatch can get right, I mean, a 1917 design. That's a little tweaked to match the common era.
Everett	Yeah, as made by a jewelry company. Yeah, as that can only be done. Yeah.
Andrew	Super cool. What's next? Okay. If you're gonna make me. I am. All right. Well, I don't talk about something fun. The Oris Kermit.
Everett	Oh. Oh, Oris has got a watch that everybody's calling a Kermit. Yeah. No. Oris hooked up with the Muppets and actually licensed Kermit. Kermit. Literally Kermit's face.
Andrew	The ProPilot X has Kermit's face on the date wheel and a really interesting green dial. And I say interesting because it's Kermit green. Yeah. It's unmistakably so. Unmistakably so. But unlike a lot of other collaborations with a watch company and some kind of cartoon owner, This is easily mistaken for just a green watch. Kind of in the peak of the pastel color rage. We have just a green watch with Kermit on the date wheel. It is super fun. Here's the thing though, that gets that, that like kind of gets me moving. All titanium with their in-house movement. Like this is not a novelty watch. It's not. And it is.
Everett	Yeah, full meal deal here. It's, you know, titanium case, titanium bracelet, in-house movement, blah, blah, blah, 4,500 Swiss francs, which is some amount of dollars. It's more than 4,500, I think. But 4,600. Kermit's face on
Andrew	the date wheel. Is it every position of the date wheel?
Everett	You know, I am not, I'm not sure about that. And I tried to look and I couldn't, and I couldn't quite figure that out. Uh, but it's, it's terrific. It's over the top in a really digestible way. It's a watch that many people know and love. If you're into the Muppets or you're into Kermit, it seems like this is, Sort of a no brainer, especially if you're already leaning towards a pro pilot X. What more fun way? You know, every time I get on an airplane and I buckle my seatbelt, I think, oh, Oris was here in place of the number one.
Andrew	So it's not every position on the date wheel. It's just so the number one on your date wheel is Kermit's face, which is a great way to start the month. Sure is. The problem is you want to reset it every day. to just be able to see Kermit all day. That's what I would do at least. It's terrific. Yeah. Super fun. And it's the ProPilot X, which is a terrific watch that I really very much like.
Everett	Andrew, I want to talk about a brand that we don't talk about all that often. Is that okay? Are you going to be okay with this?
Andrew	Well, moments ago you told me to shut up, so. Just shut up.
Everett	This is a watch from a company called IWC, aka the International Watch Company.
Andrew	Are you sure it's not collaborative?
Everett	Maybe. This is a watch that people have been kind of talking about for a while. So this is a 1970s, the IWC's Ingenieur Jumbo. Ingenieur. Ingenieur. I think, arguably, IWC has taken too long. Arguably. Or, arguably, they've waited the perfect amount of time and splashed into the incredibly competitive steel sports watch market 40 years after they stopped making the 1832 Jumbo. They've re-released the OG Ingenieur Jumbo Cult favorite. Totally lovely watch. Actually designed by Gerald Genta. Very much in his sort of greatest hits type of styling. I mean, you probably can sort of, even if you've never seen this watch, it's a 1970 integrated steel sports watch designed by Genta in the style of IWC. Conjuring image. Conjure an image, and you've probably gotten pretty close. Baton markers, or as I have said in the past, baton markers. People freak out when you say baton. It's hard to be too excited about this watch. You know, this... IWC does this very sort of low-key thing, and in fact, people that we know and love have called these, have called IWC boring.
Andrew	Which in my world is a compliment.
Everett	Yeah, I don't see it. I don't think IWC is boring, but they do stoic really well. This is a 40 millimeter by 45 and a half millimeter steel sports watch in a handful of different dial iterations. They got black, they've got an aqua, which is really lovely, a gray, um, and then I think like a, a silver, uh, 10.8 millimeters, which for a watch in this class is a little bit much. These are not priced yet, but I imagine they're going to be in the 10 to $15,000 range. I've had to guess, um, I think it's pretty cool. I think it is a little bit different than anything else in this styling. The one thing about this watch that maybe take it or leave it is the dial. This has got a crosshatch type of dial. It's got a texture to it, and you may not love that texture.
Andrew	It looks like bathroom tiling. Yeah. Or like a backsplash. It's interesting cross hatching. It's subtle. It's not deep. It's not dramatic at a distance. You might not even notice it.
Everett	Zoom in on it and it's there. And I don't think they all have that texture, but at least the black and the silver do. It's an attractive watch. I think it's an interesting entry. You know, they're going to be expensive. But you'd expect them to be, it's going to be built, built very well. Oh, they starting at 12,900 euros. So yeah, we were about right. So, you know, that $15,000 mark.
Andrew	So the gilt with a also gold bezel and a, it's like a fully gold crown. It doesn't have any texture on the black dial.
Everett	Yeah, I think you're right.
Andrew	It's certainly interesting.
Everett	120 hour power reserve on these. with that movement. So there's some technical specs, which is typical for, which is typical for, this is the IWC in-house 3211. It'll be interesting, 32,111. 3,200. Nope, there's three ones.
Andrew	Is it? Yes. Oh. 32111. Oh, there you go.
Everett	Which is how you get the 120 hours. That's right.
Andrew	It's just 12 hours if it's $32.11.
Everett	Yeah. You know, these will probably gray market and secondhand under retail, so that's nice.
Andrew	Yeah, because these are cool. My favorite part is what almost look to be applied crown guards. They're not applied, but they almost look applied.
Everett	Yeah, I'd say that's a hallmark of the Genta design, right? That design language where the components of the case look like they're floating. Yeah, it's cool. I think it's fantastic. I think it would be better at 9.8 millimeters thick. 10.8, I think this makes it a tough sell when you've got companies like Chopard like really coming in at super thin.
Andrew	But to be able to do those, that floating case against a bezel, it, those both need to be a little thick to achieve the, the drama of that two piece design.
Everett	I mean, you could, you could thin it out. I think. The Nautilus is like eight and a half millimeters thick.
Andrew	But this is, this is not the Nautilus.
Everett	Well, but have you seen the Nautilus's case? The profile of the Nautilus case?
Andrew	Yeah, it's doable, but it's also a wholly different company doing it. Yeah. Also 120 hour power reserve. They got some ass in the motor in there.
Everett	Well, no, you're not wrong about that. Yeah, that's 9.8. I'm showing you Andrew a picture of the profile of the Nautilus.
Andrew	Also, like split screen with something else.
Everett	I mean, it can be done. And obviously, these are different classes of watch, right? Yeah. The Nautilus. But when you look at a company like Chopard that's sub-10 and doing very similar... Yeah. All that to say, I think this is maybe the most... I don't know. Important seems like such a silly word for something so unimportant. But I think this is maybe one of the most notable releases from Watches and Wonders. I think that there are some problems with it. I think this is, it falls at a little bit of a tough space. I love it.
Andrew	I agree. It's an interesting move by IWC to be branching out of their wheelhouse back into deep catalog stuff.
Everett	Yeah. Well, and they've had the engineer sort of the line, that line has been consistent, but this is really reaching back deep, like you said. Yeah. So, uh, so yeah, that's, That's all I have to say about it. I don't I don't want to say a whole lot more about it. So you can read about it. That's and that's all I have to say about that.
Andrew	Hmm. Oh, I'm going to I'm going to do one kind of in passing. We're going to have to move on from it quickly. The Rolex celebration dials.
Everett	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Andrew	Rolex brought some interesting moves in the color game. a little bit bigger than just blue. Yeah. A little bit bigger than here's Easter on your wrist. Yeah. They brought some heat. Yeah, they did.
Everett	I'm, they did it down with it. So six, six new dials, right?
Andrew	Yes. Six new dials. We have a puzzle. We have a green, we have an, what are we going to call that? That's not orange. That's like, That's like tequila sunrise.
Everett	Tequila sunrise.
Andrew	That's exactly where my head went. Shocking. Tiffany blue.
Everett	And then this... It's not really a Tiffany blue. It's like a blue marble. What are they calling this? Oh, it's marble. Yeah.
Andrew	But it's... A stone dial. Oh, that's the colors I imagine when I think of stone.
Everett	It's got like a turquoise. So they've got a green and a venturine, a carnelian. Uh, which is, I guess, our tequila sunrise.
Andrew	Um, yeah. And then this balls, balls of color, the jigsaw emoji, the jigsaw is what does it for me. It is awesome. I don't. So it is on an orange dial. A green, yellow, red, blue, purple jigsaw, kind of like I'd say 90% of the dial is this assembled jigsaw, multicolored markers, emojis on your date wheel and your day wheel. This is out of character for Rolex.
Everett	It's a little bit more, a little bit more playful than what we're used to.
Andrew	It's a lot more playful.
Everett	This feels like something Omega might do.
Andrew	Yes. This is a very much like an Omega move. This is, I mean, as, as we've seen, it's an Aorus move, an Invicta move. This doesn't really make sense to me, but I'm here for it because I love it. This tequila sunrise dial, that's what we're going to call it here. is beautiful. Yeah. Even gold, no diamonds on that bezel. And I'm like, I'm, I'm in a, in a tough position.
Everett	Yeah. Wow. So, so the good news and the bad news about these, so pricing and availability is TBD, TBD.
Andrew	Never and never.
Everett	Never going to happen. Don't even think about it.
Andrew	You can leave your $5,000 deposit with your AD. and your grandchildren will have the opportunity to get on the purchase history list and maybe acquire one.
Everett	On these puzzle dials, 31 different emojis show up in the magnified date window as opposed to a date. Just gonna throw that out there.
Andrew	Yeah. Okay. 12 baguette cut stones for markers, like come on.
Everett	These are ostentatious, really fun. This is some Beyonce shit. However, so Rolex announced a fucking bucket load of watches for watches and wonders. They brought the heat this year. We're going to talk about that one because that one's the most fun. We're going to talk next about the most, I think, practical release. Not that it's practical, but the most practically important release, which is that Rolex now has a 40 millimeter Explorer.
Andrew	Do you think that's going to, do you think this has been the backlog of inventory that they've been producing all this new stuff and prioritizing that. Like, are we going to see the floodgates of?
Everett	Rolex availability open, you know, I don't think so. You know, they've obviously got different capabilities for different watches, and now they have more shit we can't buy. Yeah, I think that's right. Although you can get into a 36 millimeter Explorer, so they're going to market.
Andrew	You can't get into a new.
Everett	Yeah, well, that that's right. But it's not the most unobtainable Rolex. I think now with the 36 sitting alongside the 40, so as everybody knows, they downsized the 39 two years ago. 36, they're rolling this thing alongside the 40. So really giving people, I think that the choices that people really want, I think this is a pretty good compromise. The 40 is a great size, obviously Cinderella size for many. 36 is, kind of the classic Explorer.
Andrew	And it's just so perfectly dimensioned and proportioned it. That size is perfect for it. I get why they're doing a 40. Um, and obviously it's going to take some, um, some of the heat off of a 36 and perhaps make them a little bit more available.
Everett	And there are very few surprises here. It's 3230 movement. They've, they've changed the, the text on the dial just a little bit. Um, yeah, I think, uh, Yeah, this is exactly what you'd expect. We don't need to say a ton more about it because it really is just what you expect. But there is now for $7,500 a 40mm Explorer in Rolex's mainline.
Andrew	I love that case. They've done some other things. The one that we need to talk about now is the 1908.
Everett	Yeah, tell me about the 1908. What the heck? This is... Did Rolex just release an Orient Bambino?
Andrew	Yeah. This is another out-of-character move for Rolex. This seems like a Tudor release. This is a small seconds, no date, railway watch. Yeah. This is gorgeous. It's got a coin case instead of a bezel like it. It's just, well, it's not a coin bezel case, but it's, it's that's a coin edge bezel. I'd call it, but not on the case, but that's, you don't, why is my, I'm not a damn phone is
Everett	Well, Andrew figures out his technical. So Rolex, really what this is, is this the beginning of a new collection from Rolex called their Perpetual Collection. The first watch in the lineup is this 1908. What this is a 39 millimeter strap only dress watch. As Andrew said, small seconds. It's a three hand time only. It is, this is a replacement for the Selenius, what this is. And it looks very similar to a Cellini. But you can tell that this, whereas the Cellini always just kind of existed in Rolex lineup, you can tell that this is a watch that Rolex is pushing. Brand new caliber 7140 with all of the fancy Rolex shit. Look, there's no doubt about it. Rolex is the best production manufacturer in the world. Their quality and their R&D is phenomenal, especially at the scale they make watches, the amount of watches they make is what I mean. And it seems like this is meant to be a real live Rolex that people are going to buy versus the Cellini, which always just felt like it just was available.
Andrew	If you went into the ad and had some money to throw around, right?
Everett	So this, like if you want, it was there for you to build up a purchasing history. So you might be able to get on a waiting list for a, First up, the front dates up.
Andrew	Right. So. So this bezel is gorgeous.
Everett	Stunning. Yeah.
Andrew	Coinage with interesting beveling above it that tears this bezel down and creates this really interesting depth in what is otherwise a really thin watch. No Mercedes hands. Yep. But still the space for it to be.
Everett	Andrew, what do you think about the case diameter on this at 39? I think it's a full fucking miss. I think that's the one thing about this watch that is just full on miss.
Andrew	Yeah. This needs to be 36, 37 and maybe they, maybe they get there, right? They, they bring in a, they introduce a 39 to kind of get us get us drooling over it. Because like everyone else there there we're seeing stratification of sizing and we're seeing it with the Explorer. We have a 36 and a 40 available now. This seems like something that's available in 36 39 down the road.
Everett	Sure. Sure. I think that it's a mistake to release this in anything other than 36 first.
Andrew	I don't disagree, but they're smarter than we are. They sell watches that we can't buy.
Everett	I don't know if they're smart. That no one can buy. They're not smarter than you. Maybe smarter than me. They know what they're doing. Let's move on because that's the most we've talked about Rolex and it's making me feel funny, okay? So let's talk about another brand, totally unrelated, called Tudor. Oh. Much like Rolex, Tudor did a bucket load of things this year at Watches and Wonders, which is interesting because oftentimes it feels like one year's a Tudor year, one year's a Rolex year.
Andrew	This year really felt like... Tudor's really come into their own. They've made their way out of the Rolex shadow in my mind.
Everett	And so we can't talk about all these things, but we've picked out two releases or two things that Tudor announced at Watches and Wonders to talk about. The first is a Black Bay. It's a Black Bay, what we're calling 54, which is the original, um, release of the, of the old Tudor sub, I believe if that's right, 1954, this is a 37 millimeter addition to the Black Bay line. And golly, I got to tell you, I think they nail it. So 41 with the Black Bay. Yep. 39 with the 58. And now, of course, we've got a 37 millimeter 54. I got to tell you, I think it's a great move. I think this is a great move.
Andrew	It's the absolute right move. And the dimensions on it look great. And we see this with a lot of size iterative watches where the smallest one, the dimensions are weird. Hmm. I don't think they did that here. They did not do that here. It is terrific. And I can't wait to wear one of these. I can't. No, I think it's, it's, it's everything we know and love.
Everett	The price is right under four grand.
Andrew	Yeah. They're coming in on a bracelet. 3850 on steel, 3625 with a rubber. And, uh, hot take the Everest straps are dope.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. This would, yeah. I think it's a 20 millimeter lug here. So get yourself an Everest for this thing. I think it's a great release. That's one thing I don't like.
Andrew	Tell me.
Everett	I don't like the riveted lugs. No? No, they're fake rivets. Much like faux patina, I don't like it. I don't like an affectation. But, of course, that's part of their aesthetic. People love it. Some people love it. Maybe not everybody. I'm fine with the guilt. I just wish that it didn't have those fake riveted, that fake rivet bracelet.
Andrew	I think I'm okay with it. It because they're not, they're subtle rivets. Yeah. Not like the, um, which Smith's bracelet has like, Oh sure. Two millimeter rivets.
Everett	I think it's the same thing, but yeah, I hear what you're saying.
Andrew	It's not nearly as dramatic.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. This is, it's a, it's a killer watch and I think it's fun. I'm with you. I'd like to try one on. It's a small diver. This is not going to be a watch for everybody, but this is a snowflake sub. Yeah. Or not a snowflake sub. This is a Tudor sub in the heritage and it really rounds out that line. So.
Andrew	Oh, perfectly rounds out the line. That's what they needed. We also have a new size introduction to the Black Bay line in the way of a 31, 36, 39, 41. So there was previously just a 36. Yeah. Am I crazy thinking there was a 39?
Everett	I don't think so. So you're talking about just the standard Black Bay. Just the standard Black Bay. Sterile bezel. Sport watch. Yeah.
Andrew	We've got some size additions. 31. Now, as of now, we have 31, 36, 39, 41.
Everett	And more importantly, all four of these now come with in-house COSC certified movements. Yes. Which is cool. And a T-fit. rapid adjustment clasps on all of these. These have seemingly overnight become one of the most verbose lineups of simple steel sports watches.
Andrew	And what I'm most excited about is this is going to bottom out the prices on the previous iteration of 36s, which means I might snatch one.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah, I bet you're right. I bet you're looking at 2500 maybe if you if you're patient.
Andrew	Yeah, I think like like new in box with papers, probably 2500 bucks because these are coming in. The 36 is going to be 3650 francs. What's that? 42 4300 bucks? Yeah, something like that. So it's gonna it's gonna pull the rug out from under all the previous iterations while people are offloading them to get these.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	I'm a snatch one.
Everett	Yeah. So yeah, again, not a whole lot to say about these, but I think that they've done a ton of good stuff here. The, the in-house cost certified movements are tutors doing some shit, man. Total win. Yeah. 70 hour And I'm unclear if this is in-house, in-house, or if this is Kinesia in-house. I'm not sure I care, but yeah, COSC certified, legit. We've got diamonds. You got all the things you could want and you're going to be able to get exactly the black that you want.
Andrew	If this is your watch. The 31 millimeter only has a 50 hour power reserve because there's just not enough space. I want to try on a 31. I mean, I think I'll like it. Yeah, not as much as a 36. I think you're right about that.
Everett	Yeah, I like it. I think it'd be too small for you at the end of the day.
Andrew	It's not about size.
Everett	Yeah. This is cool. This is this is a cool watch. Okay, so one more brand we're going to talk about. We're getting long in the tooth here. But one more brand that I'd like to talk about two watches. This is a brand I think of all the brands we've discussed today. This is perhaps our favorite maybe Cartier's in there as well. But Tag Heuer Not a brand that I think either one of us expected to fall in love with when we started this show in spirit in 2016 and in actuality several years later. Tag Heuer is a weird brand. Tag Heuer has spent the bull of this golden age of watches that we're in right now, kind of an obscurity. Fucking up. Perhaps being a bit of a black sheep and even a bit vilified, but has, as of late, really stepped up. And their releases this last two years have been really good. I mean, they're still tagged, and so some of the watches they're releasing are terrible.
Andrew	But in particular... So a Citizen, and Citizen is doing some really cool shit and a lot of terrible shit.
Everett	I think Tag Heuer is doing so much good stuff, and I'm really very enamored by the modern iteration of this brand. They've just released, and in particular, the Aquarazor line. I was a huge fan when they re-released the Aquarazor 200. Gosh, this is just perfect. They found a way to make it better. They found a way to make it better by making it full gold. Yeah. A full gold, yellow, or rose gold. Cask certified, manufacturer caliber. Aquaracer.
Andrew	Because why not? Yeah, why not? 18,450 money. And this is yours. I don't usually like rose gold. I'm
Everett	here for it in the aqua racer this is it almost yeah i'm i'm down for it on black rubber come on this is dope it's exactly what you'd expect it's a 200 meter aqua racer comes on rubber obviously maybe not obviously but it does because this would probably be a $30,000 watch on a bracelet um yeah dude these are fucking rad yeah I'm not going to buy one. You're not going to buy one. No. Maybe no one that listens to this show is going to buy one.
Andrew	Or maybe you are.
Everett	But it's still rad. Next up, Same Company. Finally, last watch. And I think that this is my favorite. It is not the most notable or the most important, but I think this is my favorite release of Watches and Wonders 2023. Rolex has released a 36 millimeter three hand SteelSports Carrera. Tag Heuer. Did I say Rolex? You did say Rolex. We talked a lot about Rolex today. Tag Heuer has released a three hand 36 millimeter Carrera SteelSports watch. And it's it's fire. Dope. So four colors. Three available today. The three available today are blue, green and silver. I think it's a miss not to have this in black, but we'll get back to that. The fourth is yet to be released. It'll be released later in May. It is Hot Pink.
Andrew	And it's hot pink.
Everett	Hot, hot, hot, hot, hot. So these are a 36 by 43 and a half millimeter, 10 millimeter case, which is perfect for this watch. 10 millimeters thick, decent power reserve, blah, blah, blah, blah. Um, yeah, everybody's doing colors. That's fine. That's fine. This is sick. This is phenomenal. I love these. I love this watch. I think if you're like, I kind of want an Aqua Terra, but I also kind of want a Black Bay, but also if you're in the mood for a simple sterile bezel sports watch.
Andrew	3200 bucks.
Everett	for 3,200 bucks. I'd take a look at these. Now, this isn't gonna be for everybody. It has got a very thin bezel and kind of a big dial, which is nice in this size. It's got not a twisted lug, because there's no twist there, but that same sort of, you know... It's the beveling in the lug.
Andrew	That's right. And the end link that make it almost seem like it's twisted.
Everett	Beautiful, really interesting hands and markers on this. You may not want this much style on your hands and markers. You've got that Carrera logo prominently above a vintage looking Tag Heuer logo.
Andrew	It's all guilt though. You do have to tolerate that.
Everett	You're going to have to tolerate some guilt if you want one of these because there will be guilt. The exception being the pink, which comes with all steel, all silver markers. I think this, I think this lineup is incomplete. I think you need something black watch. They're going to do black and white steel markers, black and steel. I think that's what black and silver markers. Um, I think you probably need a white dial with steel markers as well, but for now blue, green and silver dials, gorgeous with the guilt pink on the way in may. I love this watch. I hope this collection sort of catches on. I'd like to see him fill it out, too. I think this is a pretty fun, my favorite watch of the release. Beautiful bracelet on this, by the way. The bracelet is very simple, but also complicated in a pretty fun way with this brushing, polishing series on the inner link. it appears to be beautiful brushing. I don't know if that's just photos or not. Uh, I like it. This is a cool watch.
Andrew	And with that, it almost seems like the, the geometry of that center link is interesting. I think it is. It's like concave.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. I think this, so we're, we've been on Hodinkee a lot. Hodinkee's watches and wonders coverage has been phenomenal. I think most of the links in our show notes are going to be from Hodinkee's coverage. Some people don't like Hodinkee. We don't care. I like Hodinkee. And they covered Watches and Wonders really well, but I'm reading a comment here says, buy the OP for the wife and one of these for the girlfriend. Which, all right, we'll just move on from that. That caught my eye. I figured I'd mention that. Andrew, Watches and Wonders 2023, we of course did not cover anywhere near everything, but as we do... We covered all the worthwhile stuff. We covered the things that were important to us. Anything that we missed, do you think?
Andrew	Hugh Blow dropped some duds.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	There were some yucky BRO5s, too.
Everett	Yeah. Chopard, I thought, had a good Watches and Wonders, too, but we just couldn't... We couldn't fit it in, you guys. Yeah. We'll come back to it, but check out Chopard.
Andrew	We won't come back to it until next year.
Everett	Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Chopard had a good watches and wonders as well.
Andrew	I have nothing else.
Everett	Other things, what you got?
Andrew	We talked briefly about it at the beginning of this. So in lieu of golfing this past weekend, we went to a virtual reality arcade. Yeah, we did. And I was excited about it because it seemed fun, right? And like virtual reality is this cool, interesting thing. I was like, hey, this will be fun. This isn't something that I'm going to go do at home. Let's go play video games for a while. And give it a run. And we walked into the strip mall. And to like of just it's just a strange in Sun River, Oregon. Yeah. It's just a strange setting. They have like the workout mats on the ground. Some of them are taped off. Some of them have different colors. It's like this size of a normal subway, but segmented off into like three kind of big rooms with TVs very high up on the wall and every TV subway, the sandwich shop as opposed to the train. Yes. Uh, and then there's, you know, every station has, set of VR goggles on the wall and some handles. And, you know, we sit down and they kind of give us this walkthrough. I'm like, you know, this is what it is. This is what it's like. These are the popular games. Number one, like probably one of our most popular is job simulator, which is apparently exactly as it sounds where you just go and do different jobs. which didn't seem that fun to me. And they're like, you can also do the walk the plank. And I was like, no, I've seen those videos. I'm not interested in that. And they're like, there's this cool zombie killing game and you can play any game. They had like 200 titles there. And we get in and they're like, all right, start with Fruit Ninja. So you can kind of get a feel for, you know, how this works. And we get in and I'm doing Fruit Ninja. And I was like, Oh, this is like immersive. Like I'm in Fruit Ninja.
Everett	That was cool. That was my immediate reaction as well. I didn't know what to expect, Andrew. I sort of gave you a couple like alternative ideas. Golf's not going to pan out. What do you want to do? This is your birthday after all. And this was the one that I was perhaps the least excited about, but it's your birthday. It was the most interesting to me. understand what I was getting into. And the moment I put those goggles on my face, I was like, whoa.
Andrew	Yep.
Everett	That immersive, you used that word immersive. That was my immediate reaction. This is incredibly more immersive than I had any idea it was going to be. I was blown away.
Andrew	Because the whole world is completely blacked out. So you have your entire field of view is suddenly this game. You have like not a fully over your headphones, but headphones over your ear that mostly. Remove the noise of the outside world. And we're like, hey, mostly let's play this zombie killing game. And oh, my gosh. You and I have killed some zombies in our time. Yeah, we have. That was the most fun I've ever had killing zombies.
Everett	And the most frightened I've ever been killing zombies. I did not expect it. I, I am not a person who regularly gets scared in video games. There were several moments where I had a visceral fear reaction.
Andrew	Yeah. Like I made movements to like, I, you almost crashed into a wall. I like literally jumped and like ran around. I was spinning in circles. I was getting tangled up and cause the, these, VR headsets here are hardwired into the wall so you don't have to charge them up every two hours. So I'm like, like, not only am I getting attacked by zombies, but I'm also getting entangled by this power cord fully immersed in it. I can hear you moving near me where also there happens to be zombies moving. It was, but I'm not where you're not where you're supposed to be.
Everett	I can see you on my screen, but in real life you're in a different place and I can hear you moving. That was disconcerting. Yes.
Andrew	It was super cool. Most places, most cities have some kind of virtual reality gaming lobby that charge per like per person per hour. Most of them have, you know, the same amount of titles because they just buy them and then you get to play them in there. If you're looking to spend like a couple hours of really different fun. This was it. Like I got back and immediately started researching virtual reality goggles for to play video games in my own home.
Everett	Yeah that's fair. That's fair. I will say if you're aware of glasses spectacles like myself.
Andrew	Yeah that was not great for you.
Everett	Consider contacts. It's kind of difficult or do some research on goggles that are meant to accommodate glasses. I did not expect to have to wear my glasses because I'm nearsighted and, you know, the lenses are very, very close to your eyes, but it, the way it works, and I admittedly know nothing about virtual reality lens technology, but the way it works, it actually is far away.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	And so if you need glasses, you're going to need glasses. And that was uncomfortable, but the rest of it was really cool. Yeah.
Andrew	Yeah, just the one of the most because I've gotten immersed into some video games before. You and me both. But this was like you were in the game. I was in the game and it was it was really cool. So that's my other thing. Find yourself a virtual reality gaming lounge in your area and go give it a try. It's totally worth it.
Everett	Do it. Do it. I I've got another thing, Andrew. Do me. I started a show on Netflix. Oh, this is a documentary. It's called Pepsi, where's my jet?
Andrew	This is so good. Oh my gosh.
Everett	Have you watched it? Yes. So Netflix releases a lot of throwaway material. Some of it's well produced, some of it less so. Um, This is a story that I'm vaguely familiar with, but not really. Not really. Oh, my gosh, Andrew. It's so good. Oh, my gosh. So the story tells the story of John Leonard, who is a fellow that back in the 90s, if you're my age or perhaps a little bit younger, like our friend Andrew, you probably remember In the 90s, the mid-90s, Pepsi released a campaign that was hugely successful called Pepsi Points, and you would drink Pepsi and get points, and then you would send them to Pepsi, and they would send you merchandise. Rewards. Reward merchandise. And Marlboro famously did this as well.
Andrew	Cereal did this. Everyone was doing this.
Everett	This was a thing, and this was part of the cola wars of the 90s, where Pepsi and Coke were really going head to head. and very actively fighting one another for market share. Coke being the old dog with a huge amount of market share, Pepsi being the plucky upstart.
Andrew	You know, there's some legend here that seems like... RC being the grandfather who still reigns supreme.
Everett	You know, Coke had positioned itself as the, as the, you know, the Heritage selection and Pepsi, you know, hiring Mike Tyson and Shaquille O'Neal and Cindy Crawford and all of these young, cool, hip celebrities. This is all in the context of that. And this fellow John Lennon, they had this commercial, the Pepsi points promotion, whatever you want to call it, was announced via commercial, as was everything in the 90s, really. And this commercial was clever and, you know, depicted this young man sort of putting on his, his glasses and his jean jacket. And it's showing the amount of points, you know, glasses, a hundred points and jean jacket, 500 points. I don't know how many points these things were, but it ended with him showing up to school in a Harrier jet. And it said Harrier jet, 7 million points. Now I think to most people that's Obviously not a real thing, right? A, who's got 7 million Pepsi points? No one. Yet. And B, you know, this is just kind of a joke. Clearly it's a joke. But oftentimes when these things happen in commercials, and certainly today when these kind of things happen in commercials, it's made clear there's disclaimers. And even in the 90s, every commercial had disclaimers. For whatever reason, Pepsi didn't put a disclaimer on this.
Andrew	Because it's too ridiculous to disclaimer.
Everett	This college kid John Leonard sees this commercial, realizes that this is perhaps legally something that is real, and sets out to collect these Pepsi points. I'm not going to spoil anything. He doesn't wind up getting 7 million Pepsi points because that would be hugely impractical. But winds up taking Pepsi up on the offer, Pepsi balks, and thus starts a several-year between John Lennon and Pepsi. You may or not, you may know the story, you may not know the story. It doesn't matter because this show is so terrifically produced. And the characters, this is a documentary, so these are real people being interviewed. The characters in this are amazing, Andrew. I don't know if you had this experience watching it. I like all of the people in this show. I like, they're all charismatic, lovely people in their own ways. Interesting. Uh, and, and the production quality on this is completely amazing.
Andrew	This is, this is the one that has also the, the cereal box cutter guy, right? Like the guy who was scamming the, uh, the mail-ins. Uh, they talk about that. Yeah. So that's the one that like kind of opens with him. He was the one who was getting, 10,000 of whatever this, that, or the other thing from cereal boxes by going at the recycling center. And I know I've seen Pepsi, where's my Jack? Cause I remember this, but I felt like those, maybe I conflating those two.
Everett	This is a pretty new, yeah, this is a pretty new documentary.
Andrew	No, I watched it in the last year, but I watched another one that was similar to that, that the guy was like not scamming, but he's the reason that limit one per household is on. like all these other giveaways?
Everett	I think they refer to it, but certainly they don't open up on it. All that to say, this is one of those things that got released. Not a lot of people talked about it. I think it came out late last year or last fall. I've seen the tile a hundred times. I just never watched it. It's four episodes. I think total runtime is a little over three hours. It's bingeable. And it is terrific. Yes. Totally terrific. The production is fantastic. The story is fun. The way they present, there's a lot of legal stuff. And as a lawyer, I really appreciated the legal concepts and I appreciated the way they talked about the legal concepts. Even the lay people in this have grasped the legal concepts in a way that they very casually talk about these things in ways that a lawyer appreciates. I love it. I love it. I think you should watch it.
Andrew	I agree.
Everett	Terrific. Really fun. Not nerdy.
Andrew	No.
Everett	But a little nerdy. It's just terrific. So much fun. A really nice way to spend, you know, three to four hours binging a television show. Yes. And Andrew, that's all I got, man.
Andrew	I'm out of things also.
Everett	We did it.
Andrew	As always.
Everett	I'm glad to be back. Thank you and thank you to Will for holding down the fort when I was gone. Anything you want to add before we go?
Andrew	That's it.
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