Episode 229 –The Reissues We Want

Published on Wed, 15 Mar 2023 21:33:30 -0700

Synopsis

Andrew and Everett discuss watches that they would like to see reissued. They each share three watches from their list, providing details about the watch models, their history, and why they believe these watches deserve to be reissued. The watches they mention include the Seiko RAF Gen 1 Chronograph, the Breitling Navitimer with LCD display, the Heuer Camaro Chronograph, and the Nevada Grenchen Wanderer. They also touch on topics such as watch sizes, design considerations, and the trend of reissuing vintage models.

Transcript

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Andrew Hello fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the watch clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. We talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and there are things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett So good, man. We it's spring spring has sprung ish. Uh, we, we reverted back to daylight savings time or no. I can never remember which way it is.
Andrew I don't know which way is the natural way.
Everett Night is longer. Yes. The sun goes down later. That's what I'm trying to say. Which is like one of my favorite events of the year. Like having extra sun in the evening makes me happy.
Andrew Yeah, I very much like not eating dinner time in the dead of night.
Everett Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. So that happened. That was good. We've got baseball that started in the last two weeks. I got soccer that started this week. We've got piano, chess, regionals are coming up.
Andrew Oregon Battle of the Books.
Everett Battle of the Books, which we had some competitors in. So yeah, there's a lot going on. But as for me, I'm getting ready in two days to leave for Colorado. I'm getting excited. The forecast appears to be holding on tight. We're going to have great weather in Winter Park. Denver is going to be fantastic. There's going to be some basketball. I'm going to see Gonzaga. I'm going to see Baylor. Ooh. Um, yeah, so it should be fun. And there's some upset games. Like I'm getting some of the upset games in Denver, potential upset games.
Andrew I mean, they're not, they're not pre-written. No, that's, that's an exciting lineup actually going into that. Cause you've got, kind of some of the to watch for. Yeah. Upsets.
Everett That's right. Uh, like Grand Canyon, like Grand Canyon could show up and drop a bomb. Yeah.
Andrew Seriously. Grand Canyon showed up. That's right.
Everett So yeah, no, I'm, I'm pumped. Gonna watch some basketball. Gonna do some skiing. That's, that's happening. It's happening like this week and I'm like, I'm there for it. I'm preparing a presentation. I'm presenting for our, I'm present doing like a 45 minute presentation on adverse possession. If you don't know what it is, look it up. It's phenomenal. Makes me excited. This is law nerd stuff.
Andrew Is that so you can make this a business trip?
Everett Oh, Oh, a hundred percent. Yeah. A hundred percent. Nice. Yeah. Writing the whole thing gets written off.
Andrew That's America and shit right there.
Everett America. Uh, if you are a CPA, don't at me. I don't want to know. Yeah. Don't.
Andrew Andrew, how are you? I'm good. I'm not as excited as you are because I don't have such an exciting weekend upcoming. Um, I don't know. I'm good. Made a huge dinner today. Like I started on one thing and I was like, Oh, I'm gonna do this too. And then I just, I got out of control. I made sweet and sour pork. I made sesame chicken. I made chow mein. I did. Uh, what else did I make? I don't know. A couple of other things. And at the conclusion of it, I was like, yeah, that was too much. So I have a ton of leftovers for Chinese food, as you know, as Chinese food typically does, but it was delicious.
Everett You made all these things from scratch? Yeah. Whoa.
Andrew It started, I was just going to make some sesame chicken and then I was like, yeah, let's have some pork. Sweet and sour pork. Oh, I made hot and sour soup too. Did you fry your sesame chicken? I fried my pork. I baked my chicken.
Everett I'm a huge fan of like chicken fried sesame beef. That's my jam. Yeah. That's cause that's the truth.
Andrew That's the truth. But, uh, I would have fried the chicken also, but cause I, I didn't want to run to, uh, things concurrently. I just baked the chicken and fried the pork because sweet and sour pork is, it needs to be deep fried sesame chicken. You can oven bake or fry or whatever, but yeah, it all turned out good. I'm pleased with the way it turned out. So I'm, I have a little bit of, Did you smoke your sweet and sour pork?
Everett No.
Unknown Okay.
Everett What do you mean? I don't know. I like a smoked sweet and sour pork.
Andrew No. So I just took a pork tenderloin tube because I have a bunch of the tenderloin tubes in the freezer and I just cubed it, breaded, battered, fried, and then made some sweet and sour sauce. Dope. Peppers and onions and... Well, enough of that.
Everett I'm getting hungry. You're going to have to can it. Because we're talking about watches, Andrew. We're there. We are going to talk about watches tonight. We're talking about watches. And we're only five minutes in. I need to crack a beer. You did. Yeah, what is your problem? What is my problem? Total Dom? Ooh, let's do some Total Dom. Yeah, you are. It's been a minute. Yeah. I need a Total Dom in my life. We're talking about watches, and this is a fun one. We're talking about not our favorite reissues. We are not talking about watches that you should buy for less than $1,000 or $100 or... $50 even. Whatever. We are talking about something a little bit more philosophical perhaps.
Andrew Squishy. It's less objective than our typical objectively perfect scale and decision making.
Everett That's right. And I think Based on my quick review of your selections and my much longer review of my own selections, I think we get some personality. You know, this is going to be the second week in a row that our personalities are really, our watch personalities, as it were, are really on display. But a little bit different this week.
Andrew So these are... Yes, actually, almost polar opposite.
Unknown Yeah.
Everett Yeah. These are watches specifically that we would like to see reissued. Where the fuck are they? Watches that we think deserve some attention, deserve some treatment. And in the world of watches, it is somewhat hard to believe that at least some of these still have not been reissued. So, Andrew, you came up with this episode. What was your thinking? What was the thing that led you to this?
Andrew We're in the golden era of reissue watches, are we not?
Everett You know, that is an awfully discreet and specific thing to have a golden era of, but if there is such a thing, we are in it.
Andrew We're seeing companies go back to the 60s, 70s, 80s, pull these great things from their catalog, tweak them a little bit and put them back on the market. There is so much cool stuff being pulled from the depths of these watch brands, catalogs, and it's awesome. There's so much good stuff, but there's a lot of stuff that every time I see him like, well, why would you release that? And not this, reissues are in their heyday right now. And my hope is that at least a couple things on this list, make it off the chopping block and onto the production line to get reissued. That was my thinking. Cause there's so many reissues and none of them I hate, right? I'm not sure yet. I'm not yet seen a re reissue where I was like, well that should have stayed where you left it. They're all good. These companies that are doing reissues and even zombie brands that are reviving defunct brands and reviving catalogs. They're doing some cool stuff.
Everett There were a couple of those that came up in my research for this episode, things that I was like, well, not only does that watch not exist, but that brand doesn't exist and it probably should. Yes. I saved those because I think that that might be another episode.
Andrew Yeah, there were a couple that I came across, like zombies that we want. But that was my thinking, is what am I personally missing in this surge of reissues? And I came up with a few watches, as did you.
Everett I did, yeah. I came up with some watches. Yeah. Do you want to lead us off?
Andrew I want you to, because you actually did an interesting thing. And I want you to explain what you did, because you did something very different than me.
Everett Yeah, and you actually called me out on it. I think you didn't quite understand what I was doing. I did not understand what you were doing. So what I did was I picked three watches. Nine. I picked three watches that need to be reissued. And then for each of them, I tried to find the closest reasonable and somewhat affordable alternative, right? You'll see for one of these, I don't think an alternative exists. At least not in the same form and certainly not affordable. Correct, yeah. But for the most part, I try to pick watches that I thought, well, this is something that really is hard to get or hard to come by and certainly not new. And if you do want something new, here's what you might look at. I'm going to start with a watch that, you know, I don't know how a reissue of this watch works because it was a kind of a specific watch made for a specific purpose. And I think absent that specific purpose, a reissue may lack some of the mystique. But the watch I picked was, I don't think this will be a huge surprise to anybody. This is a Seiko watch. And by not a huge surprise, not a huge surprise that I'd pick a Seiko in this slot. But it's kind of a weird Seiko. These are fairly rare. They are easy enough to come by, but rare enough and in demand enough that you pay basically exorbitant prices for them. This is the Seiko 7A28-7α28RAF Gen 1 Chronograph. This is a blasted case, mil-spec, quartz chronograph. And let me say, I think that the entire The 7828 movement in and of itself presents probably five or six watches that could be on this list tonight. There's the Yacht Timer. There are, I don't know, those divy chronographs. I can't remember. I can't remember what watch that is. The 7049 Quartz Chronograph Sport 100 with sort of a dive bezel on it. So the 7828 movement, just a ton of cool watches around that movement. But in particular, this one... So these are quartz chronographs. They're not fancy. They're not really special. They were released both by Seiko and Pulsar. They are military-issued RAF chronos. I mean, there's not much to say about them. They are what you expect. These are... So the Gen 1s were promethium illuminated. So you've got a circle P at 12 o'clock, which was required by military specifications at the time. I think promethium is low-level radiation.
Andrew Not enough to worry about.
Everett They're svelte. They're tiny. They're attractive. They're not super small, but it's certainly not a big watch. They're intriguing. And they're beautiful. They are beautiful. They've got the pushers on these sit very close to the watch. A lot of chronographs have big you know, plunger pushers that stick way out. These pushers are recessed, more like a quartz, uh, like a digital watch button.
Andrew Close. Yeah. That's, that was actually my first thinking when I saw it.
Everett The problem with these, you can still find these, there's probably five to 10 of them on eBay right now, but they go for like a thousand bucks in terrible shape and much more in good shape for a shitty Seiko quartz chronograph. These are not special watches. No. But they're beautiful. And the simplicity, the simplicity is so good. Great 369 layout. You know, it's a 7828. There's no surprises here. You've got like a one-tenth of a second, minutes at nine o'clock. Yeah, this is just a really simple, good layout. Tenths, seconds, minutes. You don't have that, like, super long, weird register that you don't need. I dig these watches, man.
Andrew You can very much see the beginnings of the SNK in this watch. In this diminutive field watch that's super simple, absolutely no, just nothing. But now let's make it a three-hander. Yeah. And I understand that that's a field watch, right? Like that's not sure.
Unknown This is a military spec.
Andrew It's a, it's a mil spec watch, but you can see that that's, that's a thing that Seiko did and then really hung on to and continues to hang on to. I dig these. This should be reissued.
Everett Yeah. And so that's why I say him too. Well, I'm not sure that they could use Promethean and why not just use super Luminova. But, um, Do this with Tritium, come on. With the type of watch it is, it doesn't really make sense that it would be $1,000 for these or $3,000 for these, you know, to get one in great shape.
Andrew Because there aren't any anymore. It's the collector market that has pushed these up. Because otherwise, you know, there's more of these in drawers or in landfills than there are available for sale.
Everett Yeah. Does it make sense for Seiko to reissue these if they're not going to sell them to the military? I don't know. Maybe not. But I'll tell you, if they did make one and they made it true to spec and they kept it in the military specs, I'd be in line. I mean, this is a pretty dope watch. And this watch made today is maybe a $300, $200 watch.
Andrew This is a Seiko 5 series chronograph is what it is, like a sub $300. You know, they could do something special with it. They could make it out of titanium. They could do something, something weird with it to kind of hold that, that little bit of mystique that comes along with being a mil-spec for the military watch. But this lives really happily in the five series line, I think.
Everett And you know, it doesn't, it doesn't, it's not a one-to-one, but there is, so nobody's really making this watch.
Andrew No, it's four crowns. It's a bizarro digital layout on a chronograph.
Everett However, there is a similar aesthetic that you could get from a company called MWC or Military Watch Company. I don't know a ton about the company. I know that they don't have a great reputation with folks that collect military watches because there's... I don't know. I think they're sort of seen as cheating in some ways. I'm not sure all the reasonings there. So MWC has their NATO pattern stainless steel hybrid military pilots chronograph with sapphire crystal. I'm sure this is a fine watch. It's got an asymmetric side. You know, I'm a sucker for an asymmetric case side, but in this context, I think that takes away from the watch a little bit. It's also got a much, much, much less pleasing dial layout. Yes.
Andrew Um, I don't like the, the two 30 and 10 30 or the two and 10. That's right.
Everett They've crammed a weird date dial in there. Um, the pushers are less attractive. The, The crown flows with the case less. This isn't a good alternative. It's got the same feel. It's got the same attitude, but it's a much less good watch, in my mind. But you can get them. They are not terribly expensive. I think these things are $350. $342. With a VK movement, like a micro quartz movement. Yeah, these are fine. They're good. Oh, they are chunks, too. They're chunks. They're chunky, bitch. It's fine. It's good. BK-68. So, yeah, if you really want something like that and you can't drop the Skrill, find one of those MWCs used, I think, for under $200.
Andrew There's also an enormous amount of field chronograph kind of feeling watches out there. You're not wrong. I'm not sold on this as the analog. I'm sold on the Seiko should be reissued. I'm not sold on this as the maybe.
Everett I think it's the closest thing available today, which is why I picked it. No, dude. I'm not sold on it either. The Venture Chronograph is a better pick.
Andrew The Venture Chronograph? Yeah. Or the Boulder Chronograph.
Everett No, I don't know if it's closer.
Andrew It's a better fit if that's what you're looking for.
Everett Well, in any event, there you are. I think that the Seiko RAF chronograph should get reissued.
Andrew I concur. And I'm sorry you all had to listen to mommy and daddy fight. Andrew, what do you got first? I have to let my page load. Oh boy. This is a watch that I'm shocked went out of production. I'm shocked hasn't come back into production. And I continue to be shocked that nothing has come up in its place, especially with the way Seiko has been behaving over the last five years. My first pick is the Pogue 6139.
Everett This is another famous Seiko chronograph. An iconic.
Unknown chronograph.
Everett One of the most famous chronographs of all time. A moon watch.
Andrew An important part, not just of Seiko's history, but of aeronautics, of design. Like this is, this, that this hasn't been reissued and just tweaked a little bit is absolutely shocking because you can find these still in, in good shape for $1,000 to $2,000. I think you can probably less, but you're like, if you're going to go mainstream and just like, if you want to go buy one today, you're going to spend 1500 bucks on something in good condition.
Everett I think these are really high risk to be frankened too.
Andrew Yes. Yes. Because the people want it. And, and what I want is the gold dial. I'm not a gold watch guy, but this watch is gold dial. That's what I want. And it doesn't make sense to me with all of the ways that Seiko has been capitalizing on, I mean, you look at King Seiko, they've, they've launched an entire brand to reissue watches from a really important time in watch history. And that this hasn't made it to the surface yet is shocking to me because I really want one of these. I don't want a Franken and I don't want to drop two grand on one. Cause this isn't a $2,000 watch. This is, I mean, you even put a Mecca quartz movement in there. I'm okay with fucking put a quartz movement in there. I don't care. I just want this watch with box and papers for not $2,000 cause this is a $500 watch.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew And that's what I want it for. That's what I will pay for it. I want this watch. I want it to come back and I don't know why they're waiting. Yeah. You know, you know,
Everett I'm going to throw something out there. I think if they reissued this watch, they have to do a mechanical chronograph.
Andrew They should, I agree.
Everett And then it becomes, you know... An automatic chronograph, even. Like, this has got to be anything less than that, and I think you start to take away from what makes this watch special. Yeah. And I wouldn't say that about every chronograph that ever existed. in particular, the 6139 watches, right? There's, there's something to that. So I could be wrong. And I'm sure if they release this with the micro quartz, people would eat it up. If there was a Sanko micro quartz pogue, people would fucking go ape shit. I'd go ape shit, but I think it wouldn't be the same thing.
Andrew I would eat it up and I would probably buy one with either an automatic or automatic or mechanical movement. Even if they, if they rang these in at like 1500 bucks. I think they have the technology to be able to do it for less though.
Everett Does Seiko have a catalog automatic chronograph right now? They must surely. They do. I don't know what it is. Yeah. No, I don't know off the top of my head either.
Unknown Do they?
Everett I can't, I can't hold on. I'm going to the Google machine. Um, they do. They have to. Yeah, they do. Um, let's see. Is it like one of the like solar? They certainly do. So the S B E C 001. Hmm. You know, I'm not sure if this is currently in production. Yeah, I don't know, Andrew. That's something. It'd be weird if they didn't. Someone at home knows. Let us know.
Unknown Let us know.
Andrew Yeah. Nothing's coming to the surface, but this is my pick. My first pick is I want a Pogue reissue. That seems like a reasonable ask also. I think so. This isn't obscure. This isn't like, this is just, this should be reissued. This deserves it for all of the other things that have been reissued. This deserves a look.
Everett Yeah, that's right. That's right. No, I'm into it. I want it. I want it. Bring, bring it back.
Andrew I'll even buy one.
Everett Bring it back, Seiko. Come on. Those gold dials, man.
Andrew Fuck. This one is actually in good shape. It's only 1100 bucks.
Everett Yeah. I think if you're going to buy one of these used, you'd need to find a broker or something. Somebody who knew what the fuck they were doing. Unless you were like, I'm fine with, uh, I'm fine with a Franken watch.
Andrew I'm, I am, but I'm not, I'm not, I don't want to buy one, but I'm cool with their existence. Sure. I would even be cool with frankening it myself, but I'm not going to buy it in that condition. I also don't like buying used watches. I have a, it's a thing.
Everett I don't know. So much like the 6139 poke, This is a chronograph. It is a revered chronograph. It's from a company that has reissued all the watches.
Andrew Yeah.
Everett They reissued everything except for this. Yes. And I don't understand it. It needs to be reissued. This is a watch from Heuer, whose IP is now owned by a company called Tag Heuer. And it is specifically the Camaro chronograph. So 1967, I believe, the Chevy Camaro is made the official pace car of the Indy 500, where it remained, I believe, for three years. 67, 68, 69. During that time, it was the coolest car in the world. It was the car. Camaro was the coolest car in the world. And Jack Hoyer, not being one to miss an opportunity to name something cool and sexy and racing inspired, creates this chronograph and calls it the Camaro because he wants to get the American market into it. He, you know, we got these people, they're driving these crazy Chevys. This is beautiful. Let's, this is, this watch is actually inspired by the Chevy Camaro. And it's gorgeous. Yeah. So there's a couple of other watches that came out around the same time as the Camaro that look very similar. In particular, there's a Zodiac watch that came out around the same time, and a few others. But this watch is so much more refined. The case on this watch, if you looked at them, just saw them in passing, you'd say, oh, those are the same watch. They're not. The Heuer Camaro is a much, much sexier watch. The beveling, The way that the case flows into the lugs. Gosh, this thing is stunning. The dials on this is a few different dial patterns. There are more sort of intricate tachymeter. There are less instrument, less intricate, more sort of jeweled, timekeeping focused, legible versions of this. Black dials, white dials, cream dials, silver dials, orange hands, very sort of subdued, steel hands. They only sold them for like four years. So from 1968 to 1972. And so they're hard to find, and people really, really love them, except for Tag Heuer, who has decided it didn't exist.
Andrew It's because of the Monaco's popularity, right? There's not an exact overlap here. These are very distinct watches.
Unknown Sure.
Andrew But the Monaco was released in what, 69, 70?
Everett I don't know, actually.
Andrew I think 69, 70 ish and then got on Steve McQueen's wrist in the early 70s. And then there's then that's it. That's their racing watch. That's their square cased watch. That's what that's their pony. That's what they're hitched to. And this is creating competition within their own line, though it is I like it a lot more, and I love the Monaco. And the Monaco didn't even survive, right? The Monaco, they discontinued that in, what, the 80s? And it didn't come back until the late 90s.
Everett Yeah, I think this watch is way sexier than the Monaco. It's less interesting, but it's way sexier.
Andrew Way, yes, significantly. But Italian Racing dug the square watch. That was where their market was. It made sense to ride with that pony. Yeah. They should reissue this because Tag Heuer's in a position to to do some cool stuff, to grow the brand outside of golf and like the weird channels that it exists in. That's a watch that breaks their mold.
Everett When I tell you, so these watches came outfitted with the Valjoux 72, which was also used in the Daytona, which was also used in the, I think, Prieto 6 Navitimers. And this is a solid movement. You can pick these up for like oftentimes under three grand in fantastic shape. So if you want a truly, truly historically significant watch with a phenomenal movement and fantastic looks, these can be had for three grand is not a song, but relative to what this is, these can really be picked up for super reasonable prices.
Andrew Yeah, this watch would cost significantly more. in production now. Yeah. Oh yeah. Even with new in-box Lamontian movements or Valjoux movements.
Everett I mean, yeah. The only, the only watch that I know of that is really hitting these notes pretty closely is a watch by Watch Gecko. It's a Gakota branded, I think this used to be called the C01, but they've changed it to the Chrono Timer Racing Chronograph. which is a... Yeah, this is a... It's pretty damn close. This is a quartz chronograph. There's some really key differences to this watch. The way the case flows into the lugs is interrupted. So rather than flowing smoothly into the lugs, there's an interruption in between that bevel on the case and the bevel on the lugs. The way the hands and the dial interact with the tachometer is less elegant, I believe. There's a couple of little differences. The pushers are very similar, but they project out in my mind further, and it gives it a clunkier look than the Camaro. But all things said, and the crown's a little too junky. All things said and done, though, they are Very close. If you didn't know what you were looking at, you'd be like, those are the same watch. They're not.
Andrew If you didn't care. I mean, if you were just looking for something comparable... That will scratch that itch, I think.
Everett Yeah, 100%. Perhaps. So that's my second watch. I would love for TAG to reissue the Camaro.
Andrew There's the market for it.
Everett It exists.
Andrew It exists. It scratches the... itch that people who have who kind of like the Monaco but just aren't quite there with a fully square everything. Like here's it. We soften the edges for you. And here's a round dial.
Everett Yeah, this is much less look at me look at this weird thing I'm wearing on my wrist.
Andrew Yeah, it's it's I mean, it's square dial or a square case ish. It's kind of tonally, right? You could you could look pass this watch and be like, Oh, it's just a ton of case chronograph.
Unknown Right.
Andrew But it's not.
Andrew It's certainly a square. It was a square. This is like a middle-aged square.
Everett Yeah. This is a cushion case for sure.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew Andrew, watch number three. Watch number two.
Everett Two. Watch number two. I got ahead of myself.
Andrew You usually go first. I do. I decided to mix things up. It's because you fucked with my intro. Um, The Breitling Navitimer reference 9406, which is the Breitling Navitimer that you know, with only an LCD screen. It is not the Anadigi that still exists. It's not the full analog that still exists. It is the 1977 full LCD dial release that is becoming more and more expensive and less and less frequent on used watch platforms. Just kind of making me sweat a little bit because I really want to buy one of these. And I know that every day is like just an extra dollar. I love this watch because it's just this beautiful collision of analog and digital technology in a true instrument. You know, Breitling in the seventies is an instrument, a flight instrument company, and still fancies themselves as, as one today. Aviation is their thing. And in the seventies with the release of LCD, not only could they continue to have their thing, but they could also be on the cutting edge of technology. So what we have is this tiny LCD dial in the middle of a flight instrument in the way of the Navitimer slide rule. And this is it for me. This is the coolest fucking watch on the planet because it's such a strange collision of technologies. It's simultaneously saying, we're looking to the future and we're going to do all this cool technological stuff. But also in order to fly an aircraft, you need a slide rule. Yeah. Cause that's the world we live in. And I don't know how to use one. There's many of them available and they range in price. They range in, in their condition. This is not an attractive watch. It's a big old slab of metal. It's a slide rule with a tiny LCD dial in the middle. But I love this watch. The first time I saw this, I was like, no, I'm going to have to have one of those. I'll probably not wear it very often because it will weigh me down. But this this is it.
Everett They're 44 millimeters.
Andrew They are. Yes. That no, they come in a 41 or a 48. Oh, boy. Yeah. They're even at 41. That's a big watch because it's all stuff. There's no hiding it. There's no, it's, it's just a brick sitting on your wrist. I love this watch. I would, I would love to see a Breitling reissue of this and not LCD. Cause part of the issue with buying one of these releases is you just don't know how much life is going to be left in that LCD screen. Like it could be tomorrow. It could be in perfect working order today. And just tomorrow it's not. But to take one of these and put a digital movement in there, I'd be down with that.
Everett Yeah. No, it's a cool watch. I actually think I slightly prefer the Navitimer or the Anodigi Navitimer to this.
Andrew I like the Anodigi Navitimer. If I was a Breitling guy, I would prefer that. But I'm not particularly a Breitling guy. I'm a LCD Navitimer guy. Sure. I like a lot of Breitling's watches. This is the only one that I could see myself buying.
Everett You wouldn't buy a straight up Navitimer?
Andrew I don't think so. I don't think so. I like them. They feel good on the wrist. They're attractive. I just don't, I don't see a world where that's on my radar. This is very much on my radar, even at 48. I'm fucking fine with it.
Everett I think the Pokemon collector in me feels like a Navitimer. At some point, I think I'd like to have a Speedy and a Sub and a Navitimer and perhaps a Monaco.
Andrew But a Monaco isn't that unachievable. Monacos are pretty in the world of affordable.
Everett Navitimers are too. You know, but there's a part of me that's like, I would like to knock down the icons.
Andrew Like have them just revolve. You could just have like a revolving door fund, right? And you have a timer for a while.
Everett I want to have, I want to have them all at once.
Andrew Yeah. And do the edgy picture of just like all of them up your arm to the forearm.
Everett I'd want to get one of those like plexiglass rotating displays and I'd have them in there. And so I could just turn my display and be like, Oh, I'm going to wear this icon.
Andrew You don't mean a winder. You mean like a Walmart display tower?
Everett Yes.
Andrew Yes. That's what I mean. Okay. So I'm way more on board with the display tower. I've, I've looked for them and they're not that expensive.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. It might be, it might be time to get one.
Andrew I just don't have, I don't have a place to put it.
Everett No, I don't either a hundred percent, but I could put it in the living room. Kim would be fine. Yeah.
Andrew She'd, she'd be good. I have plans for a, like a chest with drawers for watches. And in those plans, it includes the ability to put some of those rotating pedestals on the top, like adjacent to the lid that will open and close. That sounds fun. Yes. Because I want one of those pedestals too.
Everett No, great watch. Andrew, is it okay if I do my third?
Andrew Now it's, now it's okay. Have you ever heard of this watch? I had never seen this watch before. I'd never really, I was aware of this company, but not familiar with it. You sent me this and I was like, Oh, what have you done?
Everett So there is a company called Nevada Grenchen. Nevada Grenchen is, I don't, I don't know. I don't believe that it was continuously operational.
Andrew I don't think so either.
Everett But Nevada Grenchen is a brand that is currently playing. They're playing ball and they're playing hard and they're releasing dope watches. But they've got this really, really fantastic history and a super deep catalog that they have just scratched the very, very tip of. I think I mixed up.
Andrew Scratch the surface up. Scratch the surface up.
Everett That's right. Dip the tip. They made, about a billion years ago, a watch called The Wanderer, which I think is a pretty terrific name for a watch. But what is it? This is a bit of an amalgamation of things.
Andrew So when you look at... It's a shit show.
Everett I wouldn't agree with you on there. But I love it. So it has got... So first, just looking at the case, it's got a very simple case. You can see none of the mid case from the top. It's got sort of thin, straight lugs projecting. There's a little bit of taper to the lugs, but they really just come straight out of the case. It's got a dial that I think would be hard to describe as anything but dressy. Yeah, it's a domed dial. Certainly stoic, with a bit of a dome to the dial. It's got what I would call a dive bezel. There's no other way to describe it. But it is very thin, and it is all the way out. So you get this huge dial. So this is a 36 millimeter watch. It's a three-hander, but there's an extra hand with an arrow and then a fork and then a two o'clock crown. What this watch is, is a three hand mechanical alarm, sort of like a Vulcan cricket with a 12 hour dual time bezel. And it is terrific. It's terrific. It's thin, it's small, It is totally lovely and they cost not very much, but they're very rare and very hard to find in good condition.
Andrew And yeah, this seems like a watch that is like, Oh yeah, this is the watch my granddad bought at Sears when he like got a promotion and then he wore it at the mill for 25 years. That's right.
Everett That's right. Um, Yeah, dude, this is it's absolutely terrific. I do believe it's got a volcano movement in it. Because like the volcano cricket, this is a mechanical alarm watch, which is in and of itself pretty rare. But with the size and with that 12 hour bezel, I mean, really what this is, is a traveler's watch. This is a watch for someone who's on their feet, moving, going place to place. Of course, now you have your iPhone that does all of the same things and a whole lot more. But this is a watch for someone that's moving and grooving in different time zones, needs to wake up, sleep in hotels.
Andrew And doesn't need to track two time zones. They just need to be able to wake up. Yeah, that's right.
Everett That's right. I love it. And this watch, Unlike the rest of the watches on my list, I don't think an analog to this watch exists today.
Andrew There isn't. Because it's, I said it's a shitshow. It's a four-hand watch with a 12-hour bezel for no reason. But to track a second time zone because it's a traveler's watch. it makes perfect sense. It is a absolute one trick pony and it's gorgeous in doing that one thing. Cause if you pull that bezel off, this is a stunning dress watch.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew But with it, it's still stunning and it's a really, really subtle bezel.
Everett And if you take the, if you take the bezel away, then you've got the Volcain Cricket. Yes. Which is not an inexpensive watch. This is, I think, $4,300 for steel version. And so that's a serious watch. That's not something you tread in too lightly. But for me, the bezel is really that really tiny, thin bezel that's pushed all the way out. That's the thing that makes this watch special to me.
Andrew Yeah, it's just tiny.
Everett Nevada.
Andrew Grinchin.
Everett Where you at?
Andrew Yeah, what are you doing?
Everett Give me a wanderer. Yeah. Where my Nevada people at?
Andrew This seems like the kind of watch that you would want to, and perhaps the issue is that there's just not the elegance of alarm movements anymore because it's not novel. It's totally unnecessary. and has perhaps been lost to iPhones.
Everett Because I don't know, this is a thin watch. I don't know. Look, if we're going to talk about watches that have slide rolls, I'm totally fine talking about watches that do a lot.
Andrew I'm not, I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying that the, that the, the functionality in, in development might've been lost. Yeah.
Everett Yeah. You, you, you, you're probably not wrong. I don't, I don't think, I think Volcain is today the only mechanical alarm. I'm sure that's wrong. That must be wrong. I can't think of another company making at least.
Andrew Is Volcain still making that movement?
Everett Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you can still buy brand new Volcain crickets today.
Unknown Oh yeah.
Everett Yeah. They still issued them to the president as far as I know.
Andrew Huh. Nevada, bring it back.
Everett Nevada Wanderer, that's the one.
Andrew I like this one better. My last pick, and this was a little bit of a cheat. But there's a reason. The Tissot Navigator. It's an automatic chronograph with a Lamania movement. 39 millimeter case. Six and nine o'clock sub-dials. Interior tachymeter bezel or interior tachymeter, not a bezel. This is a beautiful 70s driving watch. This is it, right? This is the pinnacle of that thing. Orange sub-dial at the six. orange tips on the second and chronograph hand, but, but just the tip, just the tip. Right. And that's important. I, I, I almost, I almost bought one today. I was like, I'm willing to risk this fight.
Everett Well, okay. So they're not in great condition. Hold on, Andrew, you're full of shit. Tissot already released this in the Tissot Heritage. Oh, yeah, you're right.
Andrew 1973. Oh, they 100% did. With three sub dials, a similar case. It's not.
Everett And four extra millimeters. Yes, this is yes. Oh, my gosh. Like, I'm sorry if I stole your thunder. You actually sent me the link to both of those.
Andrew I sent you the link to both of them for a reason, because I wanted you to know, like, yes, I cheated. It has sort of been reissued, but ish. Yes. And I said ish or a sort of, or something along those lines, but very much in the way like Bolivar reissues things, they said, Hey, we have this really great source material. Um, let's fuck it up. Let's let's make it worse. Rather than just reissue it and maybe update some of the technology, clean up some of the lines, they're like, no, let's make this bigger. Let's add another sub-dial. In fact, let's just change this watch entirely and keep only kind of the general idea of the case. In its current iteration, I could not care less about its existence.
Everett You know, I'm sorry, Andrew, we'll come back to your watch. But I've noticed a thing here and I think this is a good place to talk about it. I've noticed a thing in the watch forums in particular is where I've seen this. There appears to be an emerging, maybe not even merging, maybe it is a established tribalism with regards to watch sizes. I think that there is a bit of a divide between the oversized or perhaps bigger watches of say 10 to 15 years ago, and the trend towards smaller watches with reasonable people sort of saying, this is where I stand on this divide. I'm either, no, I'm totally into it. Less is more, smaller, smaller, smaller. And then folks on the other side saying, no, watch enthusiast, blogger sphere trend is actually downgrading watches for reasons that are maybe not good or pure. I'm not sure.
Andrew I mean, watches grew over time. Sure. Well, no, they began huge. They shrunk significantly and then just incrementally grew. and are now on a shrinking back towards some kind of equilibrium. Because 48 has just like a standard everyday wearing watch. It's just too much.
Everett Yeah. But it's 43 simply too much. I think it is.
Andrew 30 is too small. 36 is perfect. I mean, all the way up to like 42, 43, depending on what kind of watch you're wearing, a dive watch really should be 40 to 44 millimeters.
Everett Yeah. You know, I do think really we got the right of it with our 40 and 20. I still think that that's the Cinderella, but as you and I have both acknowledged it a number of times on this show, we're really drawn to watches on either side of that for any number of reasons. The more important thing is, Does the size match the watch? And then, of course, there's fitment issues or whatever. But the right watch is also the right size for that watch.
Andrew Because it was well designed.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew It wasn't just slapped together. It wasn't built of spare parts off the shelf. It wasn't built of, and this is not to speak ill of off-the-shelf designed watches, because that can be really well done. Those watches are like, okay, they're good. And they're never going to be great. Great watches are deliberately designed and their proportions are taken carefully into consideration during the entire design process. You, there are beautiful and perfect 50 millimeter watches out there. They're not for me, but they exist. But that space of like 36 to 40 is a really delicate space to design it. And you have to be super diligent with your use of space and your fonts and your markers. And that diligence shows, especially when you're looking at 40 millimeter chronographs. You know, we don't need a world filled with Nighthawks. Though I love the Nighthawk, you could not physically put more on that dial. And I think that's the beauty of it, is they used every millimeter of space deliberately, and they held it at a reasonable size. Because that watch could be four millimeters larger, and then it's not a chaos dial. But it's a chaos dial, that once you look at it, you're like, oh, OK, this is how it works. OK, oh, yeah, works. I'm in. I understand the two camps. I don't understand the dispute. It seems like the crux of the issue is we all want well-designed watches. It's easier to design an attractive watch when you have 50 millimeters of dial. It just is. You have more space to work with. It's harder the smaller you get. Nailed it. Just my hot take.
Everett Nailed it. Andrew, I think we did it.
Andrew We've, as always, a perfect episode.
Everett Hey, you folks at home, what watch do you want to see reissued? This is a fun one because I think that, you know, in sitting here, we've picked six watches, very different watches, you know, with some similarities, some themes between our picks. But this is one of those categories where You could probably have this conversation for 24 hours straight and not take any significant breaks. So what are the watches you guys would like to see reissued? Let us know. Send us a slide into the DMs.
Andrew Right in there.
Everett Let us know. What watches do you want to see reissued? Andrew. Other things. What do you got?
Andrew I started a new Netflix show.
Everett Uh oh.
Andrew It's called God's Favorite Idiot.
Everett It's me.
Andrew It's created by Ben Falcone. Falcone? I'm gonna say Falcone. I like that. Starring him and Melissa McCarthy, his longtime partner and baby mama. The whole premise of the show is that for one reason or another, Ben Falcone, who is this IT super nerdy, super introverted, like single player only bathroom poop kind of guy is for whatever reason chosen by God to represent God on earth in the midst of God and the devil having a apocalyptic supernatural battle. Melissa McCarthy is the love interest who is a barely functioning prescription and recreational drug abuser who is just a disaster. So they are on opposite ends of the spectrum in the way of their the way that they live their lives. They are love interests kind of navigating his newly found calling. It is dark. It's not like Parks and Rec or the office or, or that kind of ilk of funny. It's much darker, funny. It's very amusing. The acting is great because we know these two actors and yet they fit perfectly in these roles. That's always like the telltale sign for me of a really good actor. So I'm like, oh, I know that person from this role. And then that memory of that person vanishes and they become this new person that I'm watching right now. They just become that character. It's fun. It's not like cerebral in any way, at least from my first watch through of it. but it's enjoyable. It's like, it's just, it's fun. It's a Netflix show. It's just the right amount of vulgar without being like, okay, come on. I don't need another iteration of bridesmaids or hangover at the white could go for a hangover for I'm, I'm thoroughly enjoying it. It's not, it's also not predictable, right? Cause this is sort of uncharted. This is what's that, uh, that show that Kristen Bell was in the good place.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew It's it's kind of like that. It's sort of uncharted territory where you don't really know where they're going to take it because they've decided to go in a direction that's not really been gone before. So you're just along for the ride. And there's none of the there's there's all the normal tropes without any of the. Oh, that's going to happen next. It's cool. Yeah, I liked it. This is the kind of show that I will probably like rewatch. It's not like a background noise show. You do have to be dialed into it. Yeah. Because it's, uh, there's just, there's just enough going on that you can't really second screen effectively.
Everett Fair enough. That's a big, that's a, it's a good warning.
Andrew Yeah. It's, but this, that's my other thing. I watched most of the season. God's favorite idiot. God's favorite idiot. Cool. Yeah.
Everett What you got? Uh, did I tell you my microwave broke?
Andrew Uh, no, but you told me your dishwasher broke and the appliance guys have been in your house a lot. So, They park in front of my house. That's why I know.
Everett Fair enough. Uh, it's never a good thing to hear like the appliance guy at your house. Pretty regular. Same guy. He comes in and civic now though. Uh, so the dishwasher did break. Uh, that's now been repaired, but also in the midst of that, the microwave broke. So what are you doing to your appliances? You know, you know, uh, I don't either. Uh, I wish I did. Uh, Well, so yeah, we repaired the dishwasher and got a new microwave. Microwaves are not really, I mean, functionally speaking, not really repairable.
Andrew Their cost is not worth repairing. That's right. So we... Did you match your appliances too with it?
Everett With the microwave? Yeah. I mean, they do match. They're all... Yeah, they match.
Andrew You didn't match brand?
Everett Oh, uh, we did match brand. Okay.
Andrew Cause that's where it becomes problematic. It's like, Oh, you guys chose this brand. And now suddenly my microwave is the most expensive appliance in my house. And also the one I can't repair.
Everett Yeah. Yeah. No, the, the, the brands do match. I think that's sort of a coincidence more than anything, but we, we, we replaced the microwave. It's one of these, you know, over the oven hood, uh, range hood type of deals. Um, but we, in doing so, picked a model that is a new trend or a relatively new trend, at least a new trend for someone that hasn't looked at microwaves in a few years, which is a three-in-one. And it is a three-in-one convection, air fryer, and microwave. And it does all three of those things. So it can act as a convection oven, it can act as an air fryer, it can act as a microwave. I was pretty skeptical. I was pretty skeptical about its ability to do anything besides microwaving very well. I've now tried out both the convection oven, but more importantly, I've tried out the air fryer and I gotta say, I'm a little bit blown away. Um, I, I was not really on the air fryer hype train before. I still probably am not because it is certainly not the same as frying. I've heard a lot of people say a lot of Big claims. And I don't find that it's the same as deep frying or even all of that close.
Andrew It's not, but it's similar.
Everett It does. It does produce food with certain characteristics that overlap. But what I have found is that I am incredible amount of enjoyment of the food that I does put out. So it's a big it's a big space. The microwave's huge.
Andrew You also have a convection oven though, so your air fryer need is moot.
Everett Yeah, well, maybe. It's a big space, and so I think that that does have an effect. I've found that cooking times are about two times what you find on the air fryer instructions. So in order for me to... So if I pull out... So for instance, this week I cooked fish patties. I air fried fish patties. They're like, I don't know, Gordon's or something like little fish patties, breaded sticks. Yeah. Yeah. Patty size fish sticks precisely what they are. And I stuck them in there. It's got this little tray that you sort of is up in the air in front of the moving air. And nine to 10 minutes was the recommendation. I wound up putting them in for 19 minutes, which from what I can tell is perfect. That's a long time. It's a long time.
Andrew But because you could do that in like 10 minutes in your oven.
Everett The food was stunning. Really, really amazing. Yeah, I'm kind of blown away by how good it was. I was I mean, again, not fried, doesn't taste fried, but it does all of the same things I want and winds up being quite a bit lighter.
Andrew Well, yeah, because it's not fried.
Everett It's not soaked in oil. That's right. And cooked. And you still get that heat, you get that crispiness on the outside, you get that softness in and chew. Man, I'm kind of stoked about it. And I don't think we paid that much more than you'd pay for a normal microwave.
Andrew I'm looking at a... Well, maybe I'm not. I'm sorry.
Everett Well, so I'll send you a link to the one we got so you can put it in the show notes. In any event, I don't think it's important that you get the same one I did because I don't have any frame of reference. And I think that if you just say like, which, you know, Google, which three in one microwave should I buy? Read those recommendations. I'm not going to recommend anything cause I don't know enough to recommend something. But what I will say is that I've been pleasantly surprised at how versatile this thing is. Like so versatile that I don't think I've used the oven since we bought this thing.
Andrew Well, it's only been like a week.
Everett It's been, we've had it for like a month and a half.
Andrew Are you serious? Yeah.
Unknown Oh yeah.
Everett Yeah. Uh, yeah, I'm here for it, man. I'm kind of blown away. At first I was like not really enthused cause I was under cooking things. I was like, this isn't going to work. Oh, I was under cooking things.
Andrew Is it just not, holding the heat enough? Because if an air fryer, if it says 400 degrees for 10 minutes, if you're having to cook for 19 minutes, it's either not getting to temperature or it's not holding temperature.
Everett I think it's a bigger space. And so it just doesn't quite get the temperature to where it thinks it's getting it.
Andrew With that said. Have you, have you used your, so this is, you have homework.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew Convection oven, a fish patty. And microwave fish patty.
Everett And do a taste test?
Andrew Do a, yeah, do a side by side against time.
Everett And then I can do a convection oven in the microwave also. I've got convection oven, convection in the microwave, and air fryer in the microwave.
Andrew A convection oven and an air fryer is the same.
Everett What's the difference between those two? I don't know, Andrew. Don't ask me because I don't know.
Unknown It's the same thing.
Everett Well, it purports to be something different. So I don't know.
Andrew I have a lot of questions.
Everett You always have a lot of questions.
Andrew A lot of questions. Have you done a fish patty air fryer in the oven or in the microwave and then convection in the microwave to taste compare? You've had this a long enough time. This is your responsible. You bring me another thing and you're not fully even remotely versed on what's happening right now.
Everett The other thing is get a three in one because it's gonna it's cool and good. If you're replacing your microwave.
Andrew I'm not replacing my microwave.
Everett Get a three in one.
Andrew I have been looking at air fryers and the kind of like go to number one air fryer. I forget the brand is a convection oven like toaster oven countertop.
Unknown Yeah.
Andrew That's like six hundred bucks. But to get two convection oven, a double, cause I have a, I have a double of in my, my wall, uh, it's like $2,000. Oh my God. That seems like a worth it for me in a price differential. Like, well, why get a new appliance and fill my counter when I could just replace my ovens?
Everett I want fewer things on the counter always.
Andrew Which is why I would like to just replace my ovens for an extra, you know, for four times as much. Yeah.
Everett Uh, yeah, that's what I got, man.
Andrew All right. I'm, I, I look forward to your link and I will be going to your house tomorrow and making pizza bites in your microwave.
Everett Perfect. Oh, it does make good pizza bites by the way. Can confirm.
Andrew And taquitos. I'm going to do some taste testing on my own while you guys are gone. It's not a big deal.
Everett You're always invited. Yeah. Andrew, anything else you'd like to add before we say goodnight?
Andrew I'm out of things. It's another perfect episode.
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