Episode 225 - Watches Roundup for Feb 16, 2023

Published on Wed, 15 Feb 2023 21:37:03 -0800

Synopsis

The hosts Andrew and Everett discuss recent watch news and releases. They start by talking about celebrity watch spotting, particularly Jalen Hurts' watch collection, and how it may just be a case of buying whatever is available rather than having true discerning taste. They then cover new releases from brands like Bulova, Hamilton, Seiko, Ball, and Citizen. They also discuss Fuji's new camera that Everett recently purchased, as well as Everett's love for The Office's extended "Superfan" episodes on Peacock. Overall, it's a casual conversation covering a range of topics related to watches, photography, and pop culture.

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Unknown	We surprised me with the intro music. We surprised me with the intro music, the intro music, the intro music, the intro music, the intro music.
Andrew	Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the watch quicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew, And my good friend Everett here. We talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett	You mean besides having seltzer all over my hands?
Andrew	It's everywhere. It's a mess.
Everett	I am good. I'm wearing new sweatpants. That's nice. It's nice to have seltzer soaked sweatpants. Yeah, they're fine. Uh, I got some, I was in the market for new sweatpants. I got sweatpants. It's not another thing. They're fine. They're not special.
Andrew	Nor are they gray, and I understand that gray sweatpants is kind of the thing for guys.
Everett	Oh, well, I have some gray sweatpants. These are navy, a heather navy. They are.
Andrew	I like heather, heather, navy, like heathered solid tones.
Everett	But they're still so new that like it doesn't they could be like five dollar good lands and they'd be rad. But disposable sweat. I think that they're going to I think they're I'm excited. New sweatpants. It's exciting.
Unknown	And they feel good.
Unknown	They feel good.
Unknown	You were in undies.
Everett	Yeah, yes, always. Yeah, I'm I'm a I'm like a very opposed to freeballing.
Andrew	Sometimes a new sweatpants. I like to go commando, like get the full experience.
Everett	It's not a moral opposition. It's actually just like, I don't want I don't like it.
Andrew	I'm just saying.
Everett	Sometimes. Never. Andrew, how are you?
Andrew	I am good. Today's Valentine's Day.
Everett	Correctamundo. It is. It's not Valentine's Day for them.
Andrew	Uh, so we had our traditional Chinese food dinner.
Everett	Where did you wind up going?
Andrew	We ended up getting lakian. Um.
Everett	Which does not sound Chinese to me.
Andrew	It's, it's not particularly good. Um, it's a longstanding Chinese food restaurant here in town and we have had it before and it's pretty okay. Um, cause our go to place, which is right around the corner from the house. Yeah.
Everett	It's closed for renovations. Too bad. It's really good too. It's so good.
Andrew	So we got, you know, bottom shelf Chinese food. It was still good, but the gap between good Chinese food and like every other Chinese food is, is vast. It's noticeable. whatever. So I had Chinese food for dinner. I'm feeling a little happy, feeling good about it. I had a good Valentine's day.
Everett	I respect that. Uh, I do think that you should have gone to Chopsticks.
Andrew	It would have been a 40 minute time investment in travel. 20 at least each way, probably closer to 30 given the time of day.
Everett	Yeah, maybe. I think you can get there faster than that, but, uh, it's worth it.
Andrew	We're out of grub hub distance for them.
Everett	It's worth it. It's worth it. Chopsticks is worth it.
Andrew	Yeah, no, I, I believe you. Noodles is better and they're just not available. So we settled for last best.
Everett	I had, I had Papa Murphy's for dinner.
Unknown	Ooh, good call.
Everett	Valentine's Day.
Andrew	Oh, it's Tuesday. So it's $12 Tuesday.
Everett	That's right. $12 Tuesday. Papa Murphy's. That's what I had for dinner. I love me some Papa Murphy's. I wish I'd had chopsticks though.
Andrew	I wish I'd had noodles.
Everett	And we're talking about watches.
Andrew	Here we are. We made it four, four and a half minutes in.
Everett	And we're going to do something we haven't done in a little while. We're going to round up the watch happenings in the last several weeks. Uh, the, the level of the level of watch aggregator has slipped. Watch news aggregation has slipped.
Unknown	It's yeah.
Everett	Uh, the, the loss of Watchville has, has hurt, has stung me personally. I'm lamenting. that loss. There's a, what, what's, what's.
Andrew	So watch, watch. Launched watch city, which is a similar aggregator, but I don't feel like their aggregation depth is as deep.
Everett	Yeah. I don't think they're pulling from as many sources and not quite as much variety. So.
Andrew	These episodes have been a little bit trickier because we have I mean these now it's no longer like hit watch Phil and Scroll through like oh, yeah, I remember that.
Everett	Oh, yeah, that's important Yeah, we normally start with a handful of things and then fill in the gaps.
Andrew	Yeah, that's harder Yeah, a lot of the gap like I don't care about AP news or Richard meal news. I just don't Like sure, it's neat
Everett	It feels very remote.
Andrew	Yeah. It's not, it's not something I'm going to spend any time talking about. I'm going to read the article and I'm going to lose the content as soon as I close the tab.
Everett	Right. It's like reading about Bugattis or something. It's like, Oh, that's cool.
Unknown	Next NATO. Yeah.
Andrew	So that's that, right. It's a bummer, which just means that it's more time filling out from having to go to dozen different websites and save tabs throughout the week.
Everett	And if, and I do understand that there are some ways you can build an aggregator based on an RSS feed. Um, and I know people do this. It's not something I've deigned to take on at this point.
Andrew	It's not something I will take on either.
Everett	Uh, I don't think it's particularly complicated. In fact, I think it can be very, very simple. Uh, but At this point, I haven't done it yet. So maybe that's, we'll just say that's TBD.
Andrew	Because other people were doing it for us and we were visiting their website and getting them traffic for their ads.
Everett	Yeah. Well, we'll figure it out. We're going to figure something out. If, if you guys, uh, if any of you guys have some ideas for us or thoughts for us or want to build an aggregator for us, we're here for it.
Andrew	Yeah, we'll use it and appreciate it.
Everett	With that in mind, however, we've got a bunch of stuff to talk about. We've got probably too many links to even possibly get to. I'd say we just start. Andrew, is there anywhere in particular that you would like to start?
Andrew	I'd like to start with one because this is something that you see a lot of following big celebrity gatherings. So the Super Bowl was on Sunday. It was one of the best Super Bowls in recent memory. Yeah. Certainly most competitive. It's going to be some hurt feelings. But one of the most competitive Super Bowls in recent memory. Stinging butts. Yeah, for sure. With that in watch media comes watch spotting Super Bowl fifty three.
Everett	Seven.
Andrew	Seven. Whatever it was. Eight.
Everett	Seven. Fifty seven.
Andrew	OK.
Everett	Definitively.
Andrew	Watch spotting Super Bowl fifty seven. Which is like, I don't know, it's a thing. Sure.
Everett	And I enjoy seeing Michael Strahan's Rose Gold 5990. Yes, me too.
Andrew	I enjoy seeing what I just the other day watched the same scene of a TV show probably 25 times in order to pause it at just the right moment to send a photo of an AMW to the guys. I like watch budding. But when I read these articles and see these articles it does a thing to me and it kind of kind of bugs me. So the one that I pulled up specifically to talk about is Jalen Hurt's watch collection. Let me just write it down. I had the Super Bowl number right in front of me. A Datejust 41.
Everett	Like a steel Datejust 41. A steel silver dial.
Andrew	Yep. A steel Datejust 41. A two-tone black dial Daytona. A Day-Date 40 in Everose gold with a green dial.
Everett	And one hundred and twenty nine dollars diesel 50 millimeter monstrosity diesel mega chief chronograph.
Andrew	So so that's. The collection. And it got me thinking, OK. He has some interesting things here. They're unique, even to the Rolex portfolio. They're interesting. I think sans diesel. This is something I'm like, okay, this guy's got money. He's got access. The question is, does he have taste or does he just buy the thing that's in front of him?
Everett	I guarantee it's the latter. These are watches that were purchased because they were what was in stock at the place that he was at at the moment he wanted to buy a watch.
Andrew	And had $41,500 in his hand. Or, you know, $20,000.
Everett	You know, I don't know about a two-tone Daytona. I don't like that watch. I think that's a crappy watch. I think it's an ugly watch. I think it's... Everything bad about that watch. But I'll leave it there because I think you could fairly like a two-tone Daytona. with very reasonable reasons. A 41 millimeter Datejust is unforgivable. That's an unforgivable sin. I don't care who you are, how big you are. A 41 millimeter Datejust is a turd. Throw it away. I'll give him a pass on his Everose 41 Day-Date because he is huge. He's a huge dude.
Andrew	He's an enormous guy. He's like, he's like the second coming of Donna McNab.
Everett	So I give him a pass on that one. It's, it's not a watch for me, but it's, it's okay. The diesel makes sense. It makes sense and also doesn't.
Andrew	129 bucks on the Amazon right now. So, but this, this kind of prompted in me like this, this battle with, you know, we, when we think about celebrities who are quote unquote watch people who have really cool collections, Do they have cool collections just because they have a bucket load of money? Like, is it they're just rich? And if you're rich, those are the watches that you buy. Or are are they watch people like is are they making really deliberate, intentional decisions? Because it this is not a collection for me, but barring the diesel, it's interesting choices.
Everett	I disagree that these are interesting.
Andrew	I think a 41 Datejust, if a deliberate decision is an interesting decision. A two-tone Daytona is a weird decision. If deliberate, it's interesting. And the Everose is kind of like, that's what, you know, that tracks perfectly. But I think maybe I've been looking at celebrity watch people all wrong. Like, no, you're just rich. And this guy demonstrates that he's just rich and just went to a Rolex boutique and they're like, Hey, we have this because nobody else wanted it. Do you want it? Yep.
Everett	I do. You know, I brought up Michael Strahan earlier because he was at one point in, in the halftime show, I believe his 5990 was very prominently displayed. And I was like, Oh shit. Cause that's a, that's a rad watch. I don't care who you are. That's a very, very cool watch. Uh, but this guy's also got a really, I would say thoughtful watch collection. You know, he's got like a, Patek Chronograph 5070. He's got an IWC Big Pilot. He's got a Diva Thune DB28 kind of blue. I mean, like, these are the two types of watch collections. I think very obviously Jalen Hurt's watch collection was purchased on impulse. I go to the watch store. I see something that catches my eye. The salesman hands me the thing that he happens to have in stock. I say, is this expensive? He says, yes, it is. I say, I want it. That, that is not a thoughtful watch collection. Maybe it is. And if so, I don't think he's got very good taste. Rather, I think that is a grab your credit card or bank card. He makes plenty of money. Grab, grab, grab some sort of money.
Andrew	He probably uses his credit card for the points.
Everett	Go to the, go to the store, say, show me what you got, buy the thing.
Andrew	I think you're right, but I wonder how much that extends to other celebrities whom we credit.
Everett	Celebrities are actually just people whom we credit with having really good watch taste. The same variety of people as everybody else on earth, turns out.
Unknown	Wow.
Andrew	Ceiling has been shattered. So that's enough about celebrity watches. There certainly was like, I read the articles and looked at like, Oh no, that person's got a cool watch.
Everett	Like that person obviously has a cool watch, but you don't wind up with a day Bethune because you have just happened to have a lot of money.
Andrew	That's fair.
Everett	Right. You've got to at least Be you at least have to know somebody or at least have a stylist who knows somebody. That's right.
Andrew	It was like, hey, Mike, this is the watch that you want.
Everett	OK, but you don't get that by going down to the shopping district, popping your head into the local jeweler and being like. Let me look at the stuff in the case.
Andrew	No, no, you certainly do. I mean, maybe I don't go to or they or they send it to you and say, please, God, Wear this.
Everett	What's next? Hmm.
Andrew	Let's let's talk about. Something we've briefly touched on already. The lunar pilot resize.
Everett	Yeah, we did a whole episode on this.
Andrew	We did a whole episode on it, but I want to talk about it because This is perhaps, I always want to see the best in Bulova and Timex when they make these decisions. You're rooting for them. I'm just, I'm rooting for them such that I'm willing to overlook some of their enormous missteps. The lunar pilot has always been mis-sized. It's not just been mis-sized for me. It was made bigger than the original issue, which was kind of a thing. You know, there was a period when reissues were coming in on a larger size and that's totally reasonable. And they never really adjusted such that we just kind of accepted the lunar pilot was too big.
Everett	Certainly we accepted that. Yeah.
Andrew	They've now re-released it back to the original case size. They've also made some other key changes because in typical boulevard fashion, they were like, Hey, what's something we can do to fuck this up? Not terribly, but let's just fuck it up a little bit.
Unknown	What's your beef?
Andrew	It's the polish. They went from this really great, like not matte case, but a blasted case. Two big old polished cases. Come come on. And yeah, almost got it. And then you stepped in it. I love the resizing. I love that they've uniformed the lug holes because originally they released it without a bracelet. Then when they did a release with a bracelet, they moved where the lug position was, which means there was no reverse compatibility with the bracelet, which is bizarre. Why did you change it in the first place? You're designing it yourself. You can make it the way you want it. That's what we got to do. But we've got a much better size and I'm really, really excited to get one of these on in person. I think they're 900 bucks, 895 I think is what they're coming in at right now. Um, I'm excited to get one of these on in person cause this is a watch that I have adored since the first time I saw it and just couldn't get with the size.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	It was a swipe right watch.
Everett	Yeah. Well, you know, hopefully, hopefully they go back and they release this in a blasted finish because I don't mind the polish case on this actually. I think it's, I think it looks great, but it's not, I think it changes the dynamic of the watch a lot.
Andrew	It completely changes the watch, but that's what we're working with right now. A finally appropriately sized, true to the original design, Lunar Pilot, and I'm here for it.
Everett	What you got? So this is a watch that I think was prominent in watch media this last week, but you're not hearing a lot of excitement about it, which makes sense based on the watch. But this is the Hamilton Jazzmaster face to face. three. Uh, so this is a re-release or a, or a, or a iteration on, on an existing design, uh, from, I don't know, uh, mid 2010s, I'd say. Yeah. Uh, they've, they've redesigned it. They've made it rounder and less oval.
Andrew	It's not an oval anymore. This is a round case.
Everett	And this is a watch that, I don't know, what do you call this? It flips. It's a Reverso. Well, not exactly, but yeah, yeah. Right. It flips and you get both a dial and a case, but you've got timekeeping options on both sides, a dial and a case back or, or a, or a movement. Yeah. And timekeeping on both sides.
Andrew	In the, yeah, it's, it's almost like a skeleton. on the case backside where you get the full visibility of the movement and a three-hander.
Everett	It's weird. It is. It's weird. Uh, it's kind of funny size. It's a big 44 millimeter and like 18 thick. 17 and a quarter. Uh, and it's got kind of a big lug to lug and
Andrew	Yeah. 22 millimeter lug width.
Everett	I'm out. This is cool. It is very cool, but it's also very weird and it's interesting to me.
Andrew	I've seen a lot of reversible watch photos as of late. Hmm. Like whether it be in watch media or in Instagram. And it seems to be. Something that might be getting dabbled with is like super limited rents because this is 100 piece limited run. You know, this isn't going to be a thousand pieces, I think a thousand.
Everett	Yeah, I think nine hundred and ninety nine.
Andrew	Doesn't matter. A super small limited run. This isn't going to be a staple. I think it's within that context, I think it's a fun thing for brands to play with on reversible watch heads. Cause it's cool technology to be able to do that. You know, it's, it's very, it's weird.
Unknown	Yeah. Yeah.
Unknown	And to make it work is cool.
Everett	So what is the complication on the back?
Andrew	I think it's just a three
Everett	Well, it's just a single hand. Is it just a tachymeter? Is it just the second part of the chronograph? I think it may just be the second span of the chronograph.
Andrew	It looks like it.
Everett	Yeah, this is a weird watch. It's interesting. It's not cheap. $3,000 because there's
Unknown	That's more than that.
Everett	A lot of stuff going on here. I think $29.95 is what they are.
Andrew	Oh, yeah. What's it? Oh, Australian money.
Everett	So, yeah, you sent a link to the TomTad website. It's cool. I don't really have. I mean, what do you say about this watch?
Andrew	It's weird and it's interesting and it's a cool thing that Hamilton's doing amid all of the other cool things they're doing. They're like, hey, we can still be weird and creative and fun. We're not just going to give you staples of stuff that you want. We're going to give you things you never even knew you could want.
Everett	Link in the show notes. Take a look. What do you got?
Andrew	Oh, I know what I want to talk about. Where is it? I want to talk about the Accutron Astronaut GMT Automatic.
Everett	I had a feeling.
Andrew	So this is now, you know, this isn't Bulova, it's Accutron. This is two Bulova hits for me in recent memory. It is a reissue of their 1968T version, a day night bezel on a super simple, super 70s, I mean 1968, GMT. I'm here for it. I don't dig so much the price. It's $3,500.
Everett	Specs on it, where are they? It's a SW-330, which is a fantastic movement.
Andrew	Here's what got me really excited. 41 millimeter case on that Big slab of a dial. Coming from Accutron or from Boliva, you'd expect this to be ringing in at like 43, 44, but they're bringing in a 41 millimeter GMT right there. They're learning. They're starting to do things right.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	This is an appropriate size for this style of watch.
Everett	I agree. I don't think that's... I don't think that it's a inappropriate size. What do you call these lugs? What do you call these lugs? There may be a word for it. Micro lugs. They're short and they're sort of... They're kind of claw.
Andrew	Vintagey and... Claw is what I'm gonna go with. All right. Because they kind of cut out back.
Unknown	Yeah, sure.
Andrew	Right? They're almost... I mean, they're not... They're interesting. Everything about this watch is interesting to me. Yeah.
Everett	I kind of hate the bracelet. So the bracelet sort of the, the, the sides of the bracelet kind of come in on themselves towards the top of the watch, uh, towards the viewing angle of the watch, which is weird. And the links are, I think, shorter than I'd like them. I don't love this watch, but I like what the watch is. And I think that's kind of your point here.
Andrew	Yes. I like what the watch is because it shows to me that they're seeing the light. They see the opportunity that's out there. They're not relying wholly on the fashion brand segment. And they're starting to do some cool stuff for us.
Everett	Bit of a saucer case, which I'm fine with. I'm not sure I understand the Accutron brand in this instance.
Andrew	Yeah. It was a weird choice, but it's a reissue.
Everett	It does look to me like the details are really nice. It looks to me like the hands and the markers are really nice. And it looks to me like the bracelets really well put together. So, uh, don't Sapphire GMT. This is a cool watch. I, I, I'm going to stop objecting. It sounds like I don't like it. I like it more than I'm suggesting.
Andrew	And the more you look at it, you're like, Oh, actually, I, Turns out I like this quite a bit.
Everett	And a bayonet case back. Yeah, I'm about it. Go Bolivar $3,500. Ouch.
Andrew	Yeah, yeah, it's a, but you know, I don't know. I have no excuse for the, for the pricing. I'm not sure, but I'm okay with it.
Everett	So Seiko, Seiko pumped into the King Seiko brand again.
Unknown	Yeah, they did.
Everett	And they released two different sets of King Seiko. So the first is a 37 millimeter. So same, so I have the gray dial 37 millimeter King Seiko. They released this with this brown hexagonal patterned dial that's sort of a ombre gradient dial. gorgeous. You know, the case is the case is fantastic. Six hour movement. You know, if you like it, you see it and say, Oh, I like that. And if you like the dial, the same deal. It's a beautiful dial, beautiful watch. I love this move to sort of more like sexy Seiko dials, which is sort of high end Seiko thing right now. But they also released this in three different dial iterations on a, in a 39 millimeter case.
Andrew	Which is an interesting choice.
Everett	Yeah. So a little bit bigger, little bit more modern looking and feeling watch with three, I'd call these jewel tones perhaps, or like one of these is, one of these is a a off white or perhaps a crew dial. One of them is a Sunray Navy and one of these is green and the green is really nice, like a green sunburst.
Andrew	And it's not gilted and it's really hard to find green dials that aren't gilted.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. And this is just straight up metal everything. So I don't believe they've added any loom to any of these. So these are still non loomed King Seiko. Uh, and they're gorgeous. They're gorgeous. A little bit thinner. So I think these come in at 11.9 versus the 12 and change of the 37 millimeter.
Andrew	Interesting.
Everett	Which I doesn't say movements. So I'm not sure what happened there, but still solid case back. Um, Yeah, I think it opens this up a little bit. It appears visually to have the same exact proportions as the 37 from the top down. And so I think this opens this watch up to people who tried on the 37 and were like, love it, but it's too small for me.
Andrew	And the 37 is just so well-sized.
Everett	You know, but we like that. I think that there are people who think that's too small of a watch, and that's fair. I can understand that. And so I think this 39 is a really sensical upsize of this watch.
Andrew	I think what I like most about the King Seiko brand is it stands in such stark contrast to Grand Seiko. Grand Seiko is these really long sweeping lines, super elegant, very modern. And King Seiko is hard corners and anglage still very Seiko in a wholly different way. And it's kind of unlike where it used to be kind of hard to differentiate between Grand Seiko and Seiko. And then they split.
Unknown	Mm hmm.
Andrew	And there's still a lot of overlap there and a lot of cross pollination. Grand Seiko is very different.
Everett	Well, you know, they killed they killed King Seiko for 30 years. And it's almost like when they re refired it up, they didn't have to to catch up with anything. They just were able to start it started off where it stopped.
Andrew	Power back on. And there it is just running like a champ. And it's it's killer. It's a totally unique identity within the Seiko family, but still fits perfectly. I really like this. I really like yours. That 37 is money. I'm not a big fan of textured dials. I can do without, but it works in this application and I would not get it, but I totally dig it.
Everett	Yeah, indeed. So it's still a lot of money for these. You know, I think the, the 39s are coming in at just under 2000 and the new 37 is, I believe it's the same, but I do think it's limited.
Andrew	Um, this is 1950 euros. Yeah. So about the same amount of dollars and it is limited to 1200 pieces. The 39s will be part of the permanent lineup.
Everett	That's right.
Andrew	Which makes sense. That's following the suit of we release watches in multiple sizes. Yeah.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	Cause that's the thing right now.
Everett	That's the thing, man.
Andrew	I'm glad it's the thing.
Everett	Andrew, what's next? My beer tastes bad. This is going to be an incredibly long episode to edit with your long gaps.
Andrew	Just leave them. Ball has a new release. At least kind of a new release. They've added some colors, which is something that I think Ball has kind of been lacking in. They haven't really caught up with the The color game they've relied on their loom colors. They haven't caught up at all with the size iteration game. Maybe that's next. Engineer master to diver chronometer. They've dropped some new colors. They obviously have their still rainbow loom options, but so they have dropped a green. Not guilted. A brown. A blue.
Unknown	What else we got here?
Andrew	Where are they? Doesn't matter. They have six new colors. Yeah. Right. What?
Everett	I think that's spoiled. Is it? I'm not drinking that.
Unknown	It doesn't taste good.
Everett	Yeah. I'm not drinking that. It smells spoiled to me.
Andrew	Okay. I'm glad it wasn't just me. The first one was okay. It's cause they put raspberries in it. My next thing. The ball engineer master to diver chronometer says there's six new colors, it's not exactly true, nor is it exactly not true. We've got a blue, a green and a brown. I'm not real pumped on the brown, but the green guiltless. Amazing. It kind of metallic blue. That is really lovely. coming in both their standard loom and rainbow loom options. So you double up based on which loom availability you want. So it's kind of three, but it's kind of six. Here's, here's the thing. In spite of the fact that they're still dropping beautiful watches, maybe they can take a hint from everyone else and, and do like a 38. Instead of everything being in 40, because that's kind of the problem that I have with ball as much as I like all of their watches.
Everett	These are 42, I think.
Andrew	Yeah. No, but what I'm getting at is that they just can't. Get below 40 there, they're sort of a one trick pony. They do a lot of cost. They have awesome loom. All their watches are really similar. They have some a little bit of difference in their dials, but generally speaking for such a large catalog, there's very little going on besides tritium tubes. That bums me out.
Everett	They're just stuck in 2008.
Andrew	Very much. I really like the addition of colors. I think it shows some willingness to grow and change with the market at large. I like this watch. I like the twin stick internal rotating bezel. I think it's all really cool. I'm just I just want to see more. Is that too much to ask?
Everett	Yeah, no, I don't think so. I mean, this... I actually think this is a fine size for this watch. For this one? For this watch. And I think it's beautiful. I really... So this is a dual stick, internal rotating bezel, not a compressor case, but sort of a compressor a compressor-like case. I think this is a fantastic watch. I believe that the internal bezel is domed sapphire, and so it has this really nice three-dimensional feature to it. I think you had said you did not like the brown. I actually... I know you do. I think the brown is really pretty. Not sure it would be my first choice. They've got sort of a. A panda thing that I really like, a white bezel with the black dial that I think is gorgeous. The price on these is good. I think twenty six hundred is retail and you can get them for twenty two hundred now. I think this is cool, man.
Andrew	Yeah. Balls always really well priced, right? That two thousand to twenty five hundred zone. Against what you're getting for it, almost everything that you're going to get out of them is a chronometer. Top of the line finishing. I'm not sure if they're using true in-house movements. I can't imagine that they are, but they could be. But they're certainly using unique to them movements, whether they're doing the finishing and assembly or whatever. A super storied brand. Just make them smaller. Make them smaller.
Everett	What you got? So this is actually a watch you had sent me. But this is a watch from Citizen. I'm not sure what we're calling this case. I think it's technically called the Citizen Promaster Dive. This is the one with the big sort of wide corners, making it have a square appearance. Uh, it's big, it's funky, it's square. Uh, and they, and they've released this in a fully loomed dial with a giant orange minute hand and a black resin case.
Andrew	Uh, this is rad. I'm all about it. Um, giant, skeleton hands so as not to interfere with the entirely loomed dial. This is a watch that I've always kind of hated.
Everett	Because it's just ugly as sin. It's ugly, but it's good ugly.
Andrew	But you put it in resin.
Everett	I'm for it. It's ugly with a middle finger, right?
Andrew	Yes. And now in a resin case, even if this was like a PVD steel case, I'm still for it. This watch is not meant to be in bare steel is what it comes down to at least as I see it now like oh you're perfect just not the way you are you just need a little upgrade or or a change and it so perfectly fits the watch because this is a banger excuse me it's not resin no it's titanium gunmetal titanium better still no I'm sorry no it looks like a resin case titanium is interesting that way It really does look like resin.
Everett	Yeah, this is really cool. And in titanium, you know, it's going to be super light. I mean, not as light as resin, perhaps, but maybe more though.
Andrew	Yeah, I mean, it's it's hard to say, but this is the banger tool watch. And here's what the most exciting part is. 550 bucks.
Everett	Yeah, super affordable.
Andrew	I think the the the pro master diver like Ecozilla variety. It's what? 300 ish.
Everett	Yeah. I think that there, it depends on what do you get, but anywhere from 250 to 500.
Andrew	So to be pulling it in titanium with a full loom dial in just a, I mean, even in resonant 550, I think it'd be a kind of like, Hmm, I think I'm okay with this still. Yeah.
Everett	Yeah. These are cool, man. These, these are really cool. Uh, You know me. So if you're going to be weird, like be weird. And I think this does that. This does that in a way that really appeals to me. You can find these in lots of different colors too. I think that's the other thing I like, but the, this full loom dial is maybe the best of the bunch.
Andrew	It definitely is. Yeah. I'm a good banger. I might get one of these.
Everett	I do really like the new-ish. It's not new, but I do like the new-ish Aqualand. I can't remember a reference for it or anything, but it has that Ecozilla feel to it with the depth gauge. They're expensive.
Andrew	They're like... The Promaster Aqualand?
Everett	Yeah, they're like $1,200, but I do really like that watch because it's exactly all these things. It's just like... This? Big-ass middle finger. No. Oh. No, the big one. I think it's the Aqualand depth meter.
Andrew	The depth meter? Yeah. It's also got a loom dial on it.
Everett	Yeah, this guy.
Andrew	With the snorkel for a crown guard? Oh no, I'm looking at this.
Everett	Oh yeah, that's the old one. That's the old Aqualand. No, so this one is reference BN202901E. And it's just huge and funky and ugly and huge and funky and ugly. And I'm kind of here for it.
Andrew	You do like ugly watches.
Everett	I'm here for it, man.
Unknown	You just do.
Everett	Andrew. Andrew. Andrew, what's next?
Andrew	Versus Hamilton Murph 38 up against the Seiko Alpinist SPB 121. This is an article. Yeah. But I, I honestly, I didn't, I didn't read the article. I just, I saw the prompt and I was like, Oh, that's intriguing.
Everett	So this is a, so this was prompted by Time and Tide Magazine. Our friends, uh, Borna Boznak? Boznyak? Uh, someone I don't know. Um, someone I'm not familiar with, but it's a continuation of a, of the versus column that they do on time and tide. This is a fun one. The Mur 38 against the Alpinist. Yes. And, and not really natural.
Andrew	The head to head. Not the current iteration of the Alpinist. It is the internal rotating bezel iteration of the Alpinist.
Everett	The, the, the, 017 Alpinist. Yes.
Andrew	So, um, looking at some, some, when I read comparative articles, something that always really bugs me is in the water resistance. If one brand uses bars or Atmos or meters, they use whatever that brand is. So in this one, we're having a comparison of 20 bar for the Alpinist and a hundred meters for the Murph.
Everett	And you wish they had just made that consistent? Just convert it. Not hard. Well, so without getting into the details here, we've got two similar watches. So this is actually the SPV121, which is the new, which is the new version of the Alpinist.
Unknown	Is it? Oh, it is.
Everett	Yeah, right. And so a damn near 40 millimeter case. What are your thoughts on these two? So similar in some ways, both of these, both of these watches have what I'd call cathedral hands. They both have sort of a vintage-y, pilot-field type of dial without putting too fine a point on it. They're similar, I think, perhaps unintentionally so. What are your thoughts?
Andrew	It is a really interesting comparison. And they're priced up really similarly.
Everett	Yeah, I think you can get both of these for right around a thousand bucks right in there.
Andrew	What it comes down to for me is which is cooler. When I look at these two watches, one I see is that really classic Hamilton pilot field watch. And in the Alpinist, it has all those same things, but it's kind of got a little quirk. Mm hmm. A four o'clock crown.
Everett	Yeah, with an internal rotating bezel that that is used for navigation.
Andrew	Yes. Intentionally for navigation. It takes one little thing and adds this enormously important tool for what you're using. But for somebody who doesn't need that navigation internal crown. I love these two watches and as similar as they are, I think there's a place for both of them in any person's watch box. Yeah. Cause they're so, so different. I could do without the Fotina on the Murph. On the Murph, sure. But I love the Murph. The Murph is to me a much more refined, tending towards like what I'm imagining is like the early days of the dress sport watch. Right? It's a field watch, yes.
Unknown	But it's like, you know, yeah, we can do a little more here.
Everett	This version of the Seiko, you know, I think we've referred to this version of the Alpinist as sort of the king of the dress sport watch in the past. And in some ways it is. I think your point is they've taken what the Murph was and made it a more complicated, more modern,
Andrew	Yes. Complex watch. Yes. I don't like the gilted green, but you know, sometimes you just have to, you own the gilted green. No, I have the black. Oh, okay. I don't, I wouldn't have ever bought the gilted green for myself. But it's an interesting thing to think about these two watches. And when you really get into it, the differences are forgettable. It comes down to, do you want an internal rotating bezel?
Everett	Yeah. So for me, there's a one big difference, a dimensional difference. which is that the Hamilton comes in at well under 12 millimeters and the Seiko with its chunky butt comes in at almost 13 and a half.
Andrew	The Seiko is a little bit bigger in every dimension.
Everett	Nearly two millimeters thicker on the Seiko.
Andrew	Nearly. It's also, you know, All a millimeter and a half longer lug to lug.
Everett	Yeah, but this is like a 46. These lug to lugs are manageable. I'm not worried about the lug to lugs.
Andrew	Some millimeter and a half thicker case or wider case. It's just bigger in every dimension, which makes sense because there's more things going on.
Everett	And it could get away with those things if it was thinner, but it's got a fat ass for our movement, so it can't get away with it. Fair.
Andrew	Fair. The differences are not though. And it was a really, it was, When I when I look at him, I'm like, oh, well, obviously it's a winner. And then you get into it and you actually put some thoughtfulness behind it. Actually. This is the same. Yeah. And I don't think it matters that they're the same. I still want them both. Because I love the Murph. I love that field watch feel that that super simple. I mean, you know me. I do know, you know, the things that I like.
Everett	And in its defense, we get 20 bar. of water resistance with the Alpinist versus the 100 with the Hamilton, so. Sure do. And I said 4R. I was wrong. It's the 6R. Excuse me, you Alpinist lovers. This is one of the few 6R Seikos of 10 years ago that still has a 6R movement.
Andrew	The Hamilton movement is objectively better. Man, they're using the. Paramedic. Yeah, the paramedic. It's a 10 to 15 per day, 80 hours of power reserve versus Seiko's 15 to 25 with 70. Yeah, it's a it's a better movement.
Everett	Same be accurate, but it's a thinner movement. It's probably going to be more accurate for longer. Probably easier to replace.
Andrew	Yeah, probably. But I love these watches and I love comparing them. These aren't two watches that I would ever put up head to head.
Everett	Wander, here we are. Here we are at the time where we need to start discussing moving on. Is there anything else that's happened in watches in the last handful of weeks that you just got to get off your chest?
Andrew	You know, no, there's something that I want to talk about. We'll, we'll, we'll have to come back to it. Omega dropped a cool movement. Plus or minus two a day kind of movement.
Everett	Yeah. And sort of putting itself out in front of everyone, the king of, of movements being, being Rolex. Omega's playing, they're here to play.
Andrew	Yeah. And they always have, they just, you know, have jockeyed for their current lead.
Everett	We forget how good Rolex is, but Omega is, Omega's right there. Always is.
Andrew	All right. We should. We'll come back to that. Probably.
Everett	Andrew. Other things. What you got?
Andrew	I'm a peacock television subscriber. I thought you were going to like do it. Let me fly. I'm a peacock television subscriber. And one of the things that I really enjoy watching is The Office. It's like just perfect background noise. Because you don't ever really have to be invested into it. They have the extended cuts seasons available up through season six. And they call it the super fan episodes. They're just director's cuts. So they're a little bit extended. I don't know. I haven't actually took took the time to take in the time. Yeah. Taking the time to look and see how much longer the episodes are. My assessment would be like five to seven minutes longer. So a couple extra scenes, the extra scenes that they've added having now watched six seasons of the office with their extra scenes are Amazing. I have no idea how they were able to cut them from the actual running time of the series. And some of them are like pivotal story moments.
Everett	Do they tell you when you're watching extended stuff? Is there any sort of demarcation?
Andrew	Nope. It just runs. You're like, Oh, I don't recognize this. This is new. But some of them I've seen them. Like I never saw that before. And that makes all of these other things make sense. How did you cut out a key story moment? I have absolutely loved it. I really like The Office. It's a show that I've watched way more times than most anybody ever should. It's like a comfort show for me. The super fan episodes that are available on Peacock are terrific. I love them. I will watch the entire series over again and I will probably never go back to the not extended editions. And this isn't like Lord of the Rings extended edition that takes a three hour movie and makes it a nine hour movie. Okay. This is a couple of extra minutes. A lot of them are really subtle. It's like that scene maybe just stretches 10 more seconds or they add just a, just a touch more to the scene. It's been killer. If you do like the office and you're not a peacocks, Peacock subscriber. If you are a peacock subscriber. I'm a peacock. I imagine you're probably already watching this, but if you have watched the office with enjoyment, these are, these are really fun. I like them. I'm here for it, dude. Do it. You got peacock.
Unknown	I think I got rid of it. I hope I got rid of it.
Andrew	You're still paying for it. Everyone's still paying for it.
Everett	Andrew. It's been a while since we've talked about photography cameras. Photography gear. Has been. On this podcast. I bought a camera.
Andrew	Ooh, like a disposable?
Everett	I did. I did. They're really expensive these days.
Andrew	And you can't get the film developed.
Everett	You can't. This is not a disposable camera. This is a camera that is, is made of metal. At least some metal components. Some metal. I, Have long been a user of Nikon. Mm.
Andrew	One of those guys.
Everett	I've been a Nikon DSLR user since I started taking pictures back in, I don't know, 1976, 2003, give or take. I bought my first Nikon. And it was good. It was good. I went to the store. I said, I need a good camera. They're like, try this one. I've used Nikon APS-C or crop sensor cameras since then, almost exclusively. I, I believe Andrew in 2020 or 2019 was in the market for a new camera. And I bought, I had considered moving at that time because the writing's been on the wall for many years that mirrorless is happening. whether we like it or not. And so DSLR technology is being consistently neglected and phased out. But I have all these lenses, and so I decided to make one more run, and I purchased the relatively new at the time Nikon D7500, and it has served me well. It's a fantastic camera. It's a decent size. It's got a beautiful sensor. It's got great processor. The features work really well. It's a good, it's a good camera. But I have of late found it cumbersome and not wanted to take pictures with it because I just didn't want to have it on my body. Because it's so big. It's so big. You know, DSLRs are big. Nikon lenses are big. The good glass is big. And so it's just I don't want to have it with me. And so I have been eyeballing a company that's known for doing things smaller. I've been eyeballing Fuji, and I finally bit the bullet and I bought a not new, not even current range.
Andrew	I bought a... As you would do.
Everett	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I bought a three or four year old, maybe five at this point, Fuji X E3. Now, right now, all Fujis are incredibly high demand. Prices on used Fujis are probably twice what they were even a year and a half ago. And so it's a little, it's not a great time to be buying Fuji anything. Fuji X100Vs are more or less sold out everywhere And if you find one, it's $2,000. I wasn't interested in the X 100 V because it does not have an interchangeable lens system. And I'm hoping to move all the way over to Fuji. And so I needed to have an interchangeable lens camera. The X E three is part of their X E line, which is not entry level. It's lower mid range. I love so many things about Fuji. I love the fact that all of their main line, their X series cameras have an APS-C sensor.
Andrew	You can't buy a single one of their X series cameras from their website right now.
Everett	Yeah, they're really hard to find. I love that they don't have a quote unquote full frame 35 millimeter sensor. You either are invested in their medium format or you're invested in their APS-C. I love the fact that no matter which camera in the line you buy, So you buy the X-E4, which is their, I think at this point, their entry level interchangeable lens camera, or you buy the X-H2. It doesn't matter which one you buy. You get this, you basically get the same sensor, right? So you get the same processors, same sensor. You're going to get different features, right? You're going to get different buttons, different interfaces. Some of them are going to have IBIS. you know, whatever, but you're getting the same image quality as between any, so mine's an X-Trans 3 sensor. So as between this or a X-T, I think it's a 20 or 30 or whatever, a much nicer camera, you're getting the same image quality. So I went with the X-T3. It's tiny, Andrew. I don't know how big it is, but it is- Palm sized.
Andrew	Well, no, it's a little bigger than your palm. It's hand-sized.
Everett	Yeah, it's hand-sized. I got- I started with just one lens. It's the equivalent of a 35 millimeter field of view. It's a 23 millimeter F2 prime lens. And I've had this thing on my body since I got it and I love it. I love it. I'm so happy. I'm listing for sale probably in the next handful of weeks, all of my Nikon DSLR stuff. I'm invested. I'm going to get all the lenses I want. I'm here for it, man. I love this camera. I love shooting. I love carrying it. It's small.
Andrew	It's not light. No, not light. Not by a long shot. It's all metal.
Everett	It feels, but it feels very high quality. As of this recording. It's a joy to turn the focus ring. It's got dials to do everything I want. The aperture controls are on the lenses. It's so fucking cool.
Andrew	That's super smart. That's where it ought to be. I love it. As of this recording, there is one available on Amazon for $7.98. Just the body. Brand new.
Everett	Brand new. And I think you can get this lens for $400-ish new. So $1,200 for this kit. I paid less than that. Mine's used. I got it from Kazakhstan from an eBayer. Uh, it, when it came to me, I turned it on and I had to find how to change the language because it was set to Kazakh.
Andrew	And you had to find how to change the language on YouTube because you're not going to be able to fiddle fuck your way through that menu. Yeah.
Everett	Yeah. I, I, I did do exactly that.
Andrew	So you fiddle fucked with it and got it all the way out.
Everett	Yep. I did. As soon as I changed it to English, I was fine, but Yeah, I had to get to the language setting.
Andrew	It's super cool camera. And I think, I think Fuji's doing some really interesting stuff. And I think, I think they're kind of representative of a, of a thing that's going on in the less is more kind of consumer ideals, smaller, more sleek. I think we're going to start seeing cell phones reducing in size again.
Everett	It's already happened. Yeah. Yeah, no, they've tapped into something. And I think there's a couple good reasons for it to have happened really when it happened. I mean, really 10 years ago is when Fuji sort of started to really have some significant market presence. And that's, I think, about the same time that sensors sort of hit their, like, diminishing returns. As sensors improve from here, we're not getting a ton more in terms of image quality. So prior to 10 years ago, every time a new sensor would come out, you'd get much better low light performance or much better dynamic range. At some point in the last decade and a half, not a lot more than that, we've sort of hit this level where the changes in sensors are going to be incremental. So Fuji, at the right time, really hit the wave in terms of what they were doing. APS-C sensors are no longer a significant downgrade from a full frame sensor. And, and, and, and Fuji does so many things so well. I think menus are a struggle for Fuji, but they're a struggle for Sony and Sony is kind of the undisputed King right now. Um, there's a couple of other things that they struggle with, but they, They do the things that count. So color rendition on Fuji's is, by all accounts, best in the business. And the JPEGs I'm getting from this camera are incredible. I'm shooting in RAW and JPEG, and I'm just not using the RAW photos because the JPEGs are so good. Fuji does their film simulations. And then there's also a number of publications, in particular Fuji X Weekly. that's publishing recipes, film simulation recipes that you are really intuitive to get in there and program and save.
Andrew	Um, how many can you save? How many presets can you have?
Everett	I think I have the ability to save eight.
Unknown	That's a lot.
Everett	Yeah, that's right. And, and you know, you, it's easy to scroll through them. You can name them. So you just click, click, click. Oh, that's the one I want to be on. Uh, I've not, I've not pulled a single raw photo off of this raw file off of this because I'm getting, So satisfactory results with the film simulation JPEGs. I'm really happy. I've only had it for a handful of days at this point. So obviously a longer term review or commentary is warranted, but for right now, super excited, super fun. If you're still shooting a big clunky DSLR and you don't want to take it places, take a look at Fuji.
Andrew	I'm digging it, man. I'm intrigued by it. I don't like carrying a camera. I don't like carrying a phone. Yeah. But yeah, that's a camera size that I could carry.
Everett	Andrew, what else do you got for today? I got nothing else. I think we've done it. Well, hey, thanks, you guys, for joining us for this episode of 40 and 20, the Watch Clicker podcast. When you check us out at our website, watchclicker.com. That is where we post every single episode of this podcast and reviews and articles and other things involving watches that you may or may not be interested in. You can also check us out on the social media, in particular, Instagram at 40 and 20 underscore watch clicker or at watch clicker. If you want to support us, and oh boy, we hope you do, you can do that at patreon.com slash 40 and 20. To all of you who are already supporting us, thank you so much. We genuinely, genuinely appreciate you. And if you don't support us, think about it. You can give a dollar, $2, $3, whatever you want, any little bit helps us pay for hosting software, hardware. And, uh, yeah, don't forget to check us out next Thursday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Bye-bye.