Episode 221 - The Starter Watch Revisited... Again

Published on Wed, 18 Jan 2023 22:23:33 -0800

Synopsis

The podcast discusses recommendations for "starter watches" at different price points for someone interested in getting into the hobby of watch collecting. They provide suggestions for quality affordable watches under $100, $200, and $350, highlighting brands like Vostok, Casio, Timex, Orient, Citizen, and various microbrands. They emphasize the importance of understanding the prospective buyer's budget, preferences for movement type and complications, and whether they intend to become a serious watch enthusiast. The hosts advise pushing slightly above the stated budget to the $500 range, where they feel the best value and least compromises can be found from up-and-coming independent brands.

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Andrew	Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 1420 The Watchmaker podcast with your hosts, Andrew, and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you?
Everett	Killing it. I'm uh, In sweatpants tonight, which is always nice.
Andrew	Frequently in sweatpants. Yeah, I think it's because like I get home from work. But I'm in slippers. So I guess the question is, who's doing better?
Everett	Yeah, that's right. You know, I can't maintain like my work clothes for recording a podcast. I mean, I guess I could. You often do. Not that often. I mean, I don't think I've ever recorded a podcast in a tie.
Andrew	You wore a bow tie once. Oh, yeah, I remember that with Justin.
Everett	Yeah. No, I'm doing really well, man. The the the weather has been like reasonable. Been able to do some outside stuff, which has been nice. Truth. Work is like not too crazy. Yeah. No, I'm doing really well. How are you?
Andrew	Good. We I'll spare you the full of it because some of this is my other thing for the week. Um. But as I talked about last week, we got a travel trailer. And we took it on a maiden voyage this last weekend. Yeah, you did. Which went really, really well. There were some hiccups. None. Of them were related to the trailer. You know, when you do a thing for the first time, that's like a little bit technically involved, kind of expect some things to go wrong. Sure. None of that stuff went wrong. I felt really good about everything that I knew. I demonstrated that I did in fact know those things and then I didn't just like theoretically understand them. Sure. Uh, it went really well. There were some challenges, right? You know, you put a three year old in a new environment and expect them to do well. That's, you know, that's your own fault. Yeah, right. You did that. Uh, that was the challenge, though, was the kids even, you know, the weather was terrible, super rainy and windy, which you knew that was going to happen. I mean, we knew it. We knew it was going to happen, but everything went really well. So I'm kind of coming off of that, like feeling pretty good about myself. Hi. Uh, and yeah, just had, you know, other than that, normal weekend day-to-day and in the way of getting stuff done, well, everyone's a wah. A way. A wah. Yeah. Everyone's a wah.
Everett	I had a good thing happen today. You got to see me. I got to see you. That's a good thing. And also I- Got rid of your Christmas tree. Came out of my house to notice the Christmas tree that had been lying on my side yard for the last week and a half was gone. Just like magic. I don't know who took it. I don't know where Totally gone. The Christmas tree fairy.
Andrew	I'll accept that.
Everett	I was like, gosh, if only I knew someone who had a pickup truck that I could beg to take my Christmas tree away. Uh, but who needs that? This is just the Christmas tree fairy.
Andrew	The guy at the recycling center was like just the one tree. And I like, so your tree wasn't that big. It was probably like a six foot tree.
Everett	No, it was nine foot nine.
Andrew	What? No.
Everett	That it was a nine a nine foot grand noble for.
Andrew	OK, so mine was a 10 foot tree. That was three feet taller than yours.
Everett	Ours was almost exactly nine foot two. We measured it.
Andrew	All right. So I had an approximately 13 foot tree that was big as fuck, like just bushy. And so I had I had these two big ass trees in my truck bed and the guy's like, just the one tree. And I like looked over my shoulder. I looked at him and I was like, nah, dude, it's two. He goes. Yeah. Like, oh, you were trying to save me $3. Dang it. So I had to pay the man $6 to take my Christmas trees instead of the $3 that he was offering. It was an integrity move. Yeah, well. All he had to do was make just the one tree and I would have picked up the hint and accepted his offering.
Everett	Yeah. Looks like one to me.
Andrew	Yeah. I mean, like, you're absolutely right.
Everett	Or you'd have been like, no, are you fucking stupid? There's two trees back there. Dumb dumb.
Andrew	No, it just took, it was just the one. And I was like, oh, try again, man. I'm ready to accept your act of kindness for $3. I wasn't worried about it, but I was like, oh, I'm the asshole here somehow. Clearly, that's more than one tree. The whole truck bed is filled with furly, like branches.
Everett	You know, in the past few years, we have had a Boy Scouts troop come and get our trees. You go to the, they've got a website, you sign up, you put an approximate time.
Andrew	I took your tree last year.
Everett	Yes.
Andrew	I know that because you're the one who told me to go to Lane Forest Products. Yeah. With your tree. And I was like, oh sweet, that's where I'll take my tree.
Everett	Perhaps. Actually, I think I remember the day those guys came to the house last year. I think we had the Boy Scouts come and take ours, and then I told you to take yours, the Landforest Products.
Andrew	No, I took them both because I remember last year it was only $3 to dump both of our trees. So when they doubled the prices, and I learned it today, I was kind of surprised.
Everett	Fair enough. In any event, we're talking about watches.
Andrew	We are. We are not talking about wood products. recycling today. Correct. We might get there, but that's not the focus of our conversation.
Everett	Yeah. It's unlikely. I'd say at this, at this point, based on the trajectory of what I expect to happen today, it's unlikely that we'll make it there, but you never know.
Andrew	I believe in myself. I believe in my tangential conversational abilities. Xander, what are we talking about today? You know, today we are talking about watches. I said that. Specifically, starter watches. The starter watch, as it were. And this is a topic we've talked about a lot on the show, but have had two entire episodes dedicated to. If I recall correctly, when I read which ones those are, we talked about them. And episode one hundred and four. And an episode one hundred and sixty seven. And here we are. And I listen to both of those today, by the way. Oh, I didn't. I listened to him a couple of weeks ago when I. Pitched this episode idea. Oh, no, I lost my train of thought. Hundred and four hundred sixty seven were an episode, what, two hundred and twenty three, maybe two or twenty three. So here we are doing a revisit of the idea for a couple of reasons. Number one, this is something that a lot of us come across as like our dream scenario. Somebody comes to us and says, Hey man, Hey man, I'm kind of thinking about getting a watch. And then we, in our WIS fashion, in all of our wisdom with, Ooh, Ooh, I gave my goosebumps spaz out. We freak out. We do. We don't have enough capacity to control the hamster that's run right off the wheel, right? It's gone. It's loose because this is our dream. So. In an effort to kind of think about that conversation, which is we've, you know, we've been developing now for two years. We want to revisit it. Think about how our own ideas of the starter watch have changed and also address the new landscape because in the last, so that's 40, 50, 60 episodes. So that's a year in the last year, the landscape has changed some. Yeah. In the last three years, the landscape has changed. But really, in the last five years, the starter watch landscape has changed so dramatically, it's almost unrecognizable.
Everett	It's interesting you say that, because I remarked to myself as I was prepping for this episode at how the meat and potatoes of the watches I might recommend at different intervals are, especially when you talk about that sub 100, sub 200 levels, there's not a lot of motion there. You know, I went back and looked and sort of revisited the topic and I thought, you know, man, I'm going to recommend the same exact watches today at sub 100, sub 200, as I would have five years ago, four years ago, perhaps. And so there's, you know, I think you're right that things have changed quite a bit. It was remarkable to me knowing that how little things have also changed, which is maybe a testament to how, you know, new we are to this watch world and maybe a testament to the quality of those watches that we're going to talk about briefly, because there's a bunch of watches we're going to talk about today. But it may be a testament to how good those watches are. And some watches have fallen off. I would say not a ton of watches, especially at that sub 200 level, not a ton of watches coming in.
Andrew	Yes. Not a lot of watches coming in, in the sub $200 world. Those watches have remained largely the same. They still are being made by the same four companies, right? There's a bucket load of watches at sub $200. There's a few gems in there, diamonds in the rough, as it were. My commentary is in that $300 to $600 range. And that is largely because of the small brand, small independent brand channel within the market. The gap five years ago between these $200 starter watches and the four to $500 small brand watches was actually pretty small. It was, it was, it was challenging to justify that price jump. The gap has grown pretty significantly.
Everett	I think that's right.
Andrew	And in that three to $600 range that the small independent brands doing something really, really interesting that for me makes it an easier pitch for somebody to be like, look, dude, I know you say your budget's $200, but hear me out. I disagree with your assessment of your budget and here's why, but hear me out. So we'll get there. Let's talk about this. Let's talk about the sub $100. starter watch. And to recap, you know, we've got, we've got some people who, who we've broken down the person who's asking you for watches.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. I think more than that, do you mind if I take just a minute to kind of walk through, I think I've developed a bit of a, uh, a process for this because I've done this a lot at this point. Let's do it. And I've kind of walked through a process or developed a process and I think I'd like to walk through it. So, um, I've said this before on the show, and I'll say it again now. This conversation, so again, this is the hypothetical, hey Everett, you're into watches. I kind of think I want to buy a watch. I want something nice. I want something classic. Something that's going to last, something special. And I'm asking you, my friend who knows about watches, because I want some information that's going to be more valuable to me than what I could find on the internet quickly.
Andrew	And I'm actually interested because You don't have to ask for help to buy a watch unless you're actually interested in making a really informed decision. And that's a big step because anybody can go on the Google, anybody can go on Reddit, but for them to A, know you're a watch person, shocking that they know that about you, but B, be willing to take the risk of engaging you in a watch related conversation, shows some real interest.
Everett	So the first thing you got to do, and I think that this is universally true, the first thing you have to do is you have to determine budget. And you have to understand that they're going to say a number and that that may or may not, more likely is not completely accurate.
Andrew	I would argue 100% is not completely accurate.
Everett	I find that there's often some wiggle room and you may be able to assess that out just by knowing the person, You may be able to suss that out through subsequent conversations, but just start with say, what's your budget? Whatever they say, you accept that. Just accept that for the time being. So Andrew, what's your budget?
Andrew	$10,000.
Everett	All the monies. Let's say you said 200 bucks. 200 bucks. Okay. 200 bucks. So, so in my mind, I think, okay, that's, that's limiting. 200 bucks is limiting. Uh, but let's work within that.
Andrew	There's some things you can do and some cool things.
Everett	Let's work within that. And furthermore, when we start to narrow down on your preferences, we can expand that in ways that will be low pressure, but also let you know what your options are. So step two, and this is critical. I think that this is very critical, but it's not always an easy conversation to have. What kind of movement do you want? Do you want mechanical? Do you want automatic? Do you know the difference? Probably not. Do you care? Do you want solar? Do you want plain old quartz? Uh, you know, this is a threshold issue, I think here and understanding what it is that they care about and what's important to them can be a little tricky, but just, you know, do you know what a movement is? Do you, are you looking for something that's got, you know, classic mechanical appeal? Are you looking for something that's going to be insanely reliable? You know, you have the conversation, you ask the right questions, but that's really step two. And it needs to go in front of, although they're related, this next category. What kind of watch person do you intend to be with this? I actually took this from you, Andrew, from the last time we explored this issue, episode 167 or whatever it was, 168. There's two types and really just two types. There is the future Wyss, you know, the guy who's gonna, the guy or gal who's going to get into this. And then there's like, no, no, I'm just looking for a watch.
Andrew	I just want to make an important purchase.
Everett	I don't want to play the game. I'm just looking for a watch. More often than not, that's going to be the case. But to the extent you got a future Wyss, be aware of that. Step four, complications. I think, This is, it's an unnecessarily complicated word for what you're actually going to be doing. Cause I think here you're going to be doing, you're going to be answering two questions. One, do you want a chronograph or do you want a three-hander? This is, this is binary. Forget everything else you know about watches. Do you want a chronograph or a three-hander?
Andrew	Cause anything else is going to be far over the head of most first time buyers.
Everett	And two, do you want a dive bezel or not? All of this assumes we're talking about an analog watch. This person wants an analog watch.
Andrew	And if they're asking you, they do.
Everett	So one, do you want a chronograph? Two, do you want a dive bezel? That is going to tell you a lot about this decision because in our very first episode that we talked about the starter watch, we identified three types of prospective watch guys. The dive watch guy, The dress watch guy, who's not actually a dress watch guy, but a sports watch guy. He is. And the something cool guy. This is the guy that wants something special, unique, idiosyncratic, enigmatic.
Andrew	That's the guy that wants a chronograph. Maybe so. That person wants a chronograph with a rotating bezel.
Everett	And so it's not until you've gotten all the way here that you can move on to step five. steps one through four in that order, and then step five. And this is where you get a play, because there's some nuance to this step. This is where we're going to start figuring out other style considerations. How big a watch do you want? Do you want a stainless watch? Do you like the look of brushed or blasted cases? Do you want DLC? That's right. That's right. This is where we're going to start talking about what do you actually like? What kind of markers do you like? Do you want Romans? Do you want, you know, loomed numerals? Like, what do we want? This is where you can start to have fun with this process. But you can't get to here until you've identified relatively accurate responses to one through four. So I've laid out five steps really quick. Budget, movement, What kind of watch person is this going to be? And what complications? And then from there, you, by example, start floating ideas. Well, look at this watch and you don't necessarily have to do that next step within the budget. I wouldn't. You can do that way above the budget. You could do, you know, cinema, Primero cinema, uh, no Primero cinema, um, Santos, send them a Submariner, you know, say, which of these do you most respond to? Uh, you know, and start there, right? Oh, okay. I see what you're saying. You want a Santos? Well, you're fucked. Save up 7,000 bucks. Oh, you want a Submariner? I got watches for you. We got choices. I got watches. Oh, I don't know.
Andrew	If you want a Santos, I think I go world timer. Here's you like spend 20 bucks and you've got a decent analog.
Everett	You really like this IWC Mark watch? Okay, I got options for you. So yeah, you know, pilot, we got you, you don't have to do that. But that that's the next reasonable step. Because once you get there, then you get to have fun. Okay, check these out. You know, oh, you like the look of this watch? Well, what about it? So something to consider, you can get a very similar watch to that watch that you like for another 80 bucks. And it's going to have these added features, right? This is where you refine those prior answers. But that's my process. And I think it works relatively well. I think it almost always elicits some surprises. But if you go through that process, you're going to get to a place where you're talking the same language, right? Someone says, I want to watch. What can I get? It's like, boy, how much time do you have? How much time do you have? You go through this process. It can be pretty quick. And all of a sudden you're presenting that person with really cool options. So that's the process. I don't have much more to say. Would you change that at all?
Andrew	I like the presentation of three very distinctively different watches. I like, that's not something I've ever done. I usually ask those questions. Like, do you want square, chronograph? You want dive? You want sports? Nice show examples, but like the actual presentation of like a Santos, a Sub, an El Primero. Three really unique, but really specific watches. A response to any of those is going to put you down a very directed path.
Everett	Yeah, that's right.
Andrew	You almost hope they don't say, oh, I like the Sub. But if they do, that's the easy one, right? It's easy. Here's 10,000 options ranging from 50 to 10,000 dollars. And there's more available. And there are more available. Yeah, that's right. But I think that's it. I mean, we you you've isolated all of the things that pique your interest on your first proper watch purchase. This is how much money I want to spend. These are the things I want out of the watch. And I want to like it. It's hard to say what you're going to like in your first watch. It's hard to say what you're going to like in any watch. Cause I think any new watch person is going to be a little bit of a butterfly catcher. That's right. Type person. They're just going to see something and they're gonna be like, yep, that's the one. Right. I like that. And I think that that is perfectly reasonable, right? Cause you don't know what you like. Yeah. You haven't seen, you know, we've seen tens of thousands of watches. And on first sight of any watch, we immediately start picking out the things we don't like. Because we're assholes. But somebody making their first watch purchase made. Ooh, I like that. Ooh, I like that. I like that. I like that. Ooh, I like that part of that. And there's cool opportunities in the sub one, sub two, sub three, sub thousand dollar range. for somebody who doesn't really know what they're getting into, but is willing to trust you to some recommendations.
Everett	And we put together some watches here. So we put together watches in four categories. So there are four categories, I should say. We put together watches in three of those categories for today's show. And we'll talk about the fourth category as well. But for reasons that will become clear later, we're maybe not going to make some direct recommendations there. Uh, but these watches that we put together are curated, uh, largely based on watches that we've got experience with, but, but also, you know, that we've talked about that we've, um, these are players, right? You're not going to be surprised by very many of these watches because these are the watches in these categories. We're not going to, we're not being creative here. We're not, we didn't hunt for things. We didn't try to come up with something that's going to shock you. These are the players in these categories.
Andrew	These are like top of mind, like this is what exists here.
Everett	And I like these watches to recommend to a starter for a couple of reasons. One, they're trend true. They're almost always widely available. They're easy to get. Oftentimes you can get, you know, I think most of these watches you could have in your hands. you know, today's Thursday, you know, come Monday before you go to work, you could have this watch.
Andrew	You could go to Macy's today and get probably half of these, maybe not for these prices, but so, so yeah, not for these prices.
Everett	The other reason I like these watches is because when the person hears the recommendation and starts to look at these, if they're at all, like me, they're going to Google these things and they're going to find a ton of information. It's going to be readily apparent to these, to your friend, your, whoever it is that's asking you these questions, that this is a legit watch. Like, oh, cool. This is legit. I feel like I'm part of a club in buying into these watches. These are all culty. They're all widely appreciated and they're all good. I guess that's the other thing. You know, some of these are a little enigmatic and we can talk about that, but by and large, these are all good
Andrew	watches. You're not recommending an El Camino, right? Which has a cult following and people love it. But those people love it.
Everett	Well, I'm not sure that that's... I don't think any of these are an El Camino. I think that there's at least one of them. And we're going to start there. And we're going to start there because I've put this in a category that I don't think is accurate. OK. Starting with the best watches under 100 bucks. The person says, look, I want to watch but I don't want to spend more than a hundred bucks because I've got an Apple watch and I just want something to wear occasionally. The first watch that we're going to talk about in that category is an El Camino, the Vostok Amphibia or Amphibian. Now, this is a, there's a caveat to this because... I think this is a Toyota Tercel.
Andrew	This isn't an El Camino.
Everett	In looking at this watch today, I discovered what I think is... evidence that the Vostok Amphibian is no longer a $100 watch. In fact, I believe it would be difficult to get most Vostok Amphibians today for under a hundred. About 105 seems to be where these things are at right now, which is a shift. The last time we talked about this, these watches were 80 bucks. If AM Diver, you could get it for 120. On Amazon, you could get just a standard fair amphibian for a hundred, for 80. And today we're at a hundred to 125 for just a, for just a basic B Fostock amphibian. That's a shift. And I think it's notable. It's still incredibly affordable, but it's a big change.
Andrew	It's incredibly affordable, especially for what you're getting out of the package. Yes. The engineering, the design, the, uh, cool story behind it. I think, I mean, I think the Amphibia is one of the, has one of the coolest stories of any watch on the market. Undoubtedly. And it's still even at, even at $300, this watch is cool. You know, we're just really accustomed to being at a sub $100 Soviet watch. Yes. I don't think this is a $300 watch cause it's janky, it's ratchet, it's weird. But if actually, without any of my prior experience and expectation of it being a sub $100 watch, I'm really comfortable with it being this much.
Everett	You know, I wonder something about this watch too. Is it more appealing at a little bit more money?
Andrew	No, I don't think so. You know, AM diver doesn't even have scuba tubes anymore.
Everett	I think it may be more appealing at a little bit more money. So in any event, that's the first watch. There's a couple of other players here and we can we can blast through these because this isn't the none of these are going to vibrate the earth even a little bit.
Andrew	I need to get one of those black and orange scuba dudes. They're not on AM Diver anymore.
Everett	The Casio MDV 106 50 bucks. Fantastic watch now comes in colors. The Invicta Pro Driver Pro Diver. Mm hmm. What more to say? It's a Seiko movement. It's really well put together. It's a watch that's made to look like another watch, which is Womp Womp. But other than that, very, very difficult. It's $75 or $80 that you can get these for.
Andrew	And you get them on Amazon deals all the time for $40. The only real problem is the engraved Invicta on the non-crown side.
Everett	A couple of Timex that I found that I thought, you know, these fit in this conversation. One of them is The Timex Expedition North, it's in that line. It's a quartz watch. It's a brass-cased watch. They're calling this the Sierra. I think these come in 36 and 40 millimeters. They look great. I hate brass-cased watches, but it's cool and it looks really good. And it's good. And then- 89 bucks. And then a MK1 Mark I, Timex Mark I or MK1 Chronograph. So there are aluminum mark ones, but you can get a steel cased chronograph for like right now, I think I saw for like 60 bucks, which is a fantastic value. It's obviously a quartz chronograph.
Andrew	Steel case, 70 bucks. It's 70 bucks. On sale from 140 right now, 42 millimeter case.
Everett	So this is a cheat, but it's the kind of cheat that's fine because it's something like this is always going to be in the conversation.
Andrew	Yeah. And even if this isn't, Forty dollars over a hundred dollar budget. Percentage wise is significant. But to somebody who says, oh, I got a hundred bucks to spend on a watch. Yeah, let's let's stretch that to 140. Check this out. And you got this really cool because the MK1 is a really cool line. You can pull it under, I think, under or a hundred if you stick with the aluminum. Yeah. But go the steel. Yeah. Go the steel.
Everett	And one more watch that I'm going to shove in here. I don't know that this totally meets the criteria that I just referred to, you know, iconic, yada, yada, yada. But the Bertucci, the resin cased Bertucci field watch or whatever they're calling it, fixed spring bars, um, or fixed lugs, uh, you can get these for 60 bucks. And as the owner of a titanium Bertucci, I think that's a fantastic deal. It's cool. It's sexy. It's interesting. And so I'm going to include it for like 65 or 70 bucks or whatever it is.
Andrew	The resin case Bertucci 55 right now on the Amazon.
Everett	Dude, I might buy that because that's just a cool watch that's cool, easy to wear, light, legible, fantastic watch made by a cool company.
Andrew	These are some Bertucci does some of my favorite field watches. They stay true to form. They've got one watch and about seven dozen variations from size, case material, And that's really it. Seven different kinds of steel, aluminum, titanium, resin. I really like that brand.
Everett	Best watches under 200. Best under 200. So something to note here. When you get to $200, you start to see some cool stuff. So at 100 bucks, you're pretty limited.
Andrew	And I think that you're kind of limited to quartz. With a couple adventures into automatics.
Everett	That's right. That's right. And even then you've got some caveats, right? At 200 bucks, we start to get into some serious watches. Yeah. Uh, this is where citizen eco drive start is at this sub $200 level. I think personally, we're still at least a hundred dollars away from, you know, roughly a hundred dollars away from getting into cool eco drives. But we start to get into, you know, like your Citizen, your Citizen Aviar or... Avion, yeah. Avion, right? That's in there, right? Watches like this, watches that are kind of big, watches that are kind of funky, well-designed. We start to get stuff like that. We start to get into some of these eco-drive dress watches. And I got to tell you, if you've got the guy who's just looking for a good, practical, high quality watch, it's a great place to direct them.
Andrew	Because you're also going to find water resistance in that. Yes. You're going to find 50 meters or more of water resistance in almost the entire eco driveline, regardless of dollar amount.
Everett	We're going to get some more Timex here.
Andrew	Mm-hmm. Timex kind of own in the corner right now.
Everett	That's right. We get water. We start to see Waterbury here at the sub $200 level.
Andrew	I think the Marlins coming in under 200 bucks, right? 180, 190. Yeah.
Everett	I think you got to go up for Marlin. Q Timex starts here. You know, that's, we're getting $179, $199 for our Qtimex stuff. These are easy wrecks, easy wrecks. Uh, I think my favorite category from this list, the Orient Mako and Orient Ray. And Komasu. Komasu is a little bit higher. Komasu is just over that $200 threshold, but, but you can pull that guy in to, you know, Sapphire, right? Kamasu's got Sapphire. You may want to look at that, but also for 150 bucks, you can get a Mako too. Check that out. What a deal. And seriously, what a deal. If someone's deciding between a ProDiver and a Mako all day long, get the Mako. Save a couple extra bones, get the Mako. This watch is phenomenal and cool and cool. It doesn't make sense. Way cooler. than a pro diver in my mind. We're getting the R.M. Bambino here. Mm hmm. Of course, lots and lots of Bambino's classics. The new 38 or new ish 38 is just a little bit more. But again, this is where we start to be able to say, OK, look, this is a really cool watch, this 41 millimeter. But this 38 way better. And it's just a little bit outside your budget.
Andrew	It's way better because the 41 or the yeah, the 41 is just It's just a little too big because of the design. It looks big. Yeah, because it's all dial. A 38 is perfect. I've often thought about offloading mine and getting the 38.
Everett	Except that you don't wear the big one and you wouldn't wear the smaller one.
Andrew	No, because I would. I wear something else in lieu of that.
Everett	Our Seiko 5 sports watches are mostly here.
Andrew	Almost the whole line.
Everett	The 5KX, the Dress KX, the Sex KX, the SRPG Fields, they're all in this sub $200 range. Don't buy from Seiko. No, buy it from Amazon. That's right. Joma Shop, Amazon or whoever, right? But you're getting all of these watches are going to be available at that price. And that means all of that variety, all of those options at under $200. You can still get a Seiko SNK 809 for low 100s on a bracelet. Just over a hundred bucks Seiko SNK 809. And really that whole line, you have the what, the 805? The cream dials. There's the 807. You're finding these at really close to a hundred, which is, you know, half again as much as these were just a few years ago.
Andrew	They're 150 bucks on Amazon right now.
Everett	It's still a banger of a deal. And don't buy them from Amazon. You can find these for better prices. I'm going to go back to Bertucci. We start to get into the titanium case of Bertucci's here.
Andrew	Which is really cool stuff if you're like for that tech guy, that person who just wants something a little bit cool. They're an Apple watch wearer. They want something just a little bit off the beaten path. Easy to wear. Bertucci titanium is kind of the shit right now.
Everett	Yeah. And then Veyr. Veyr. This is where we get to Veyr and Veyr is sort of a beast of, uh, you know, they, they marched to the beat of their own drum. Right. And we get into all of the entry level courts, Veyr's here. You even get some USA stuff and under USA assembled, uh, no bracelet that that's right. But you're getting into the, I think you do get some bracelets at under 200 bucks. So, That starts to become an option that you can start looking at. This is a really cool company. These guys are from California. It's, you know, dope watches. They make some of their watch, they assemble a lot of their watches here. Check these guys out. And it opens up the door to other things as well. That's a good conversation starter. Hey, just go to this website and tell me what you think of these watches. Because they've got a ton of different designs. I mean, these are mostly field watches, but they really run the gamut of field watch dial designs. And they can say, I like this. but I don't like this. Okay. That's informative. Now let's look at some other stuff. There may be some other things under $200 that really fit into this conversation. But for my part, I think that's a pretty good start.
Andrew	Those are where I'm going to go. Those are the staples of the sub $200 zone because there's not, it's, there's not a lack of watches under $200. But if you're trying to make a reasonable recommendation, to somebody like, Hey, this is a, this is a good watch that you can get for under $200. We certainly haven't exhausted the list.
Everett	Well, and this, I think that this for me is a positive limiting factor, right? Because when you go to Amazon, for instance, and search for watches and set your search parameters to like a hundred to $200, you get so much garbage, so much shit. I mean, it is really, all chaff. And so in order to cut through that, you start here and you can make recommendations. And then if you need to veer off the beaten path, and they're like, Oh, well, look, I found this. I found this Brita skeleton. You're like, All right. Yeah, let's let's do it. I'm glad you like it. Let's go. Let's go there. Let's go there. We can do this. And so but but these are these are the places that I want to start with my with my friends that want my advice.
Andrew	Now I'm with you on that.
Everett	Let's move to $350 because this is for me. I think where we start to get some pretty neat watches.
Andrew	This is where we get some real diamonds in the rough.
Everett	I think that's right. The one I like, the one in this list, and we've talked about this watch on the show. I don't know that we've ever recommended this watch on the show, but at 300 bucks, I think it's an absolute stunner. That's the bull of a hack. These are coming in right now at just about 300 bucks, like 305. And dang, man, this is some serious watch right here. This has got history.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	Well, shit. Look, I'm looking at one right now on Joma for 200 bucks for a Valentine's day sale.
Andrew	217 on the Amazon.
Everett	This is, this is a real watch and it's coming at the lower end of the sub three $50 range. Great size. It's a little thick. So these are, I think 38 millimeters. Um, But they're almost 14 millimeters thick. You get some funny Bulova stuff, like I think these have got 19 millimeter lugs. Of course they do.
Andrew	Thanks, Bulova.
Everett	But this is a like historically relevant, an homage to a historically relevant style of watch. You can start to talk about, well, this is what these watches were used for. This is the hack function. You know, this starts to become interesting. in discreet and sort of nuanced ways. And it's a beautiful freaking watch, you know, big domed, uh, big dome, sapphire crystal. Uh, yeah, this is a cool watch.
Andrew	These are the kinds of things that I like to recommend to people like, Hey, this is, this is not just an attractive watch, right? It's a, it's a very simple watch. It's not a flashy watch. This is a special watch and it's special for a lot of reasons. And when you wear this watch, it's this really interesting historic connection This really interesting connection to all of these things that make watches what they are. You know, this watch is a representation of why the wristwatch has survived as long as it has and will continue to survive throughout.
Everett	That's right.
Andrew	And it's attractive. And it's under 350 bucks. They're not, you know, a strap monster by any means. You're not going to be able to have a whole collection based off of this watch and a dozen straps. I don't know, man. But you put this on brown leather and you don't ever need to take it off. Yeah, that's right. Or even ship brown rubber. Put it on a on a silicone elite. Yeah. And you're done.
Everett	Yeah, I think that's right.
Andrew	You're done. These are the watch recommendations to people that when I make them, they're like, oh, I like that. Like, yeah, you should. And here's why.
Everett	Next up, Dan Henry. And I'm not going to pick a watch.
Andrew	The whole line.
Everett	I'm going to pick all of the watch. So basically everything in Dan Henry's collection comes in between $350 and or between $200 and $350. I'm pretty sure the cheapest one in this collection is the $200 1900 ladies watch.
Andrew	I don't know. I haven't looked at DH in a while.
Everett	And the most expensive is the 1972, which I'm a former owner of, um, comes in both a black dial and that silver or black case and the silver case. Um, really cool watches, man. 350 bucks, the most expensive, the most expensive watch in the Dan Henry collection.
Andrew	also a really cool watch. It maybe should be the most expensive.
Everett	And these are all historically relevant pieces. Dan Henry, being one of the neatest watch collectors I've ever met, you know, really has a penchant for cataloging his collection and collecting based on the catalog gaps. You know, super knowledgeable about historical watches. This is it. This is it. I mean, this is something special off taking for granted. Um, and, and also just amazing. Mostly quartz in this collection.
Andrew	I really liked the 1975. His, his interpretation of the skin diver is dope. 3970 and a 37 millimeter cases, 280 bucks, 280 bucks, right? with a Yeah, they're great sized.
Everett	You can get these in automatics.
Andrew	Yeah, they have 120 click bezel, which is weird, but a little bit more for the automatics 450 VH 31. Mecca courts. Yeah. Yeah.
Everett	Yeah. Fantastic watches. What? What?
Andrew	I'm just I'm I'm I'm not taking a lot of time to look at these before.
Everett	Next up, and this, I think, is maybe the coolest watch in this entire episode, the Citizen Fugo. The Fugu? Fugu. Fugu. Automatic dive watch made by Citizen, perhaps the king of affordable automatic movements.
Andrew	It's just so weird that they don't really capitalize on their automatic movement the way they capitalize on EcoDrive. They sell their movements, but they really lean into EcoDrive.
Everett	It seems like they're maybe moving in that direction. But yeah, there's something about that EcoDrive movement. It was a hit from the beginning, and they marketed it really well, and they've leaned into it. But this watch, the Fugu, Very few compromises in this watch. Bracelet's not great.
Andrew	Nor is it terrible.
Everett	End links are hollow. But outside of that, you're getting an absolute winner of a watch. A little big, a little big.
Andrew	What you'd expect in a pro 200 diver.
Everett	But like SKX big. We're not talking about, we're not talking about a ploprof or something, right? And these are regularly available between about $200 and $350, depending on what you're looking at.
Andrew	No, I'm looking at just watch outs with a Z, which I don't know the reliability of this website. $299 for most of the colors. $289 for the black dial with a black and blue bezel for 79 for the Godzilla.
Everett	Yeah. You get a little bit of variation there, right? Uh, it seems like, it seems like there's some variation based on the demand for the item.
Andrew	Well, the Godzilla has got a Godzilla on the dial. So it sort of tracks that it would be more expensive. Probably. I just, I really do not like their hands. or the bezel texture.
Everett	And I like them both. So it goes to show that you show your friend who's looking for a watch and say, is this something you're interested in? Because if so, it's pretty cool.
Andrew	It's definitely very cool. And this is a this is a watch on the recommend list. So it's not for me.
Everett	You also get Citizen ProMaster Eco drives here. Yes. This is where our legit Citizen ProMaster Eco drives start to come in. And you basically get the whole catalog here, except for like the bigger or more like hyper sexy stuff. But like your basic pro master dive watches, they're all coming in at this sub three 50. And so you gotta have that conversation. That's not for me. I don't think that's for you. Uh, but, but that starts to become a real option here. Boulder venture. Yes. Boulder venture under three 50. And we're talking about legit micro brand, very good construction, interesting watch that comes into play. And you're also getting something else here, which is Timex Marlin, the fancier Timex Waterberry stuff, and more of your like Snoopy additions, more of your automatic, you know, your Timex M79s. This is where Timex starts to get pretty cool. And also a little risky, right? Like at this level, like you really got to be committed to the watch to get a Timex, but you're starting to get the cool Timex.
Andrew	Yeah. You're getting what Timex is like really highlighting in their collection right now.
Everett	That's right. So for a starter watch, that might be hard. The person might say, well, I don't want a Timex. I'm going to spend all this money for a fucking Timex. Like, Oh, okay. Fair enough.
Andrew	Yeah, you are. And here's why.
Everett	But maybe the person is like, Holy shit, Timex makes really cool watches. I didn't know. Yeah, let's check these out. So you never know. It's in the conversation.
Andrew	We're recommending. We're not- You can cultivate the Timex fan boy that we are.
Everett	That's right. That's right. This is the sub $350 level is where we really start to get cool Timex's. And Scarfa. Yes. That's the other watch that fits into this conversation. Scarfa Diver 1. falls in here, and it's definitely worth the conversation. Someone's going to learn about that watch and be like, all right, I can see it. Or they're going to learn about that watch and be like, yeah, that's cool, not for me. But you're having the conversation. Here are your options.
Andrew	I think one, Deep Blue, I think, falls under that price point, right? Yeah. The SKX rips.
Everett	Yeah. Let's, let's talk cause there's a couple of companies that we're, we're not going to really talk about today, but, but they're deserve to be in this conversation. Deep blue market, Long Island watch.
Andrew	Yeah. His whole line, the whole Long Island company, like line of watches.
Everett	There are other companies, uh, Merkur, M-E-R-K-U-R, which sounds German, but it's actually Chinese. Uh, Merkur comes to mind. There are watches that you can get at this level that we're not going to talk about. And I'm not even going to talk really all that much about why we're not going to talk about those watches, except to say in the context of this conversation, it doesn't fit with, with that said, you can get some pretty cool watches, some really well made. Let me say that you can get some really well-made watches for well under the prices we're talking about. If you're willing to, look at those watches. And if your friend is willing to look at those watches, for me, I'm not going to recommend those. I'm not going to recommend them to you to recommend to your friend. And I'm also not going to recommend them to my friend, but it's there. And so you got to know, know your audience, know who you are, know what you're comfortable with and know your audience. Yeah. I put deep blue into that category, Andrew, and you may disagree with me.
Andrew	No, I put deep blue in that category. Just because, yeah, just because of the type of watch that it is. But I think Skirfa is a, is when you said Skirfa, I was like, Oh yeah, there's a whole line up here. Like Helsins even pretty close to that.
Everett	Yeah. I think most Helsins are over this amount, but that really brings us to, and I know you're going to want to talk about this, Andrew, that really brings us to the next step. So we, you know, a hundred, 200, and then we kind of arbitrarily, did the next two increments in 150 bucks.
Andrew	Cause there's a huge gap. That's right. Right. 350 is a transitional point in watch buying. You're not going to find most small brands under 350 bucks. And if you are, there's a reason over 350, you're getting the, like, really cool shit. And where I am, that's where I start my recommendations. People are like, I have a hundred bucks. You don't want to buy a watch, my friend.
Everett	It's okay. Or you want to buy this MDV-106 or buy your Amphibian.
Andrew	There's some really cool stuff available to you. And I don't just write people off. I'm like, look, Let's take a look at this four to six hundred dollar range, which I fully understand is much more than you walked into the conversation.
Everett	We're upwards at three times what you want to spend. But hear me out.
Andrew	Exactly. Hear me out, because this is where the really cool stuff starts. I think of a brand like notice or a foster brands that are being really deliberate with their design, really good with their finishing quality in their movements that you're not going to find less than that. And then to find competitors, not in that price point, you're looking at the like seven to $800 range. This is a really cool price point in the watch world because small brands five years ago, painting themselves into a corner. So nobody thinks it's okay for them to make money. So small brands have to charge next to nothing for their watches. And it means that we're getting a screaming deal on them. Yeah.
Everett	You and I talked about something earlier when we were, when we were riffing about this. Um, I think without any exceptions, the watches that we've talked about earlier come with some sort of compromise. And, and, and maybe depending on who you're talking to, that may not actually be a compromise, right? It may not be a compromise to have a solar movement. In fact, that may be exactly what they want. It may not be a compromise to have quartz, right? In which case they're like, no, I just want a super badass, no frills, dive watch. Well, look at the MDV-106, or if you got a little bit more, look at the Scurrifa, right? But in my mind, that is a compromise. If I'm talking about a quartz watch versus an automatic watch, that's a compromise based on the way I want to enjoy watches. And so at this sub-350 level, all these watches we've talked about have compromises. The Fugu has hollow end links and a mediocre bracelet. Um, you know, the bull of a hack has weird dimensions and, and, and I noted just now it's too thick and it has, and I, and I guess it does have a mineral crystal, right? These watches come with compromises. All that to say you get to a notice sector dive and all of a sudden there's no compromise.
Andrew	No, because they can't afford to have misses.
Everett	There are no compromises. You're getting a fantastic bracelet. You're getting really good finishing. You're getting automatic movement, a very good automatic movement. You're getting all of the things, Traska, Laurier, right? All of these watches are coming sans sacrifice. And so now we're just talking about design. We're just talking about watch design. And that is really liberating.
Andrew	Yeah, because you're getting all the things. You're getting the water resistance, you're getting the finishing, you're getting the design, you're not getting the legacy and history that you're going to be getting of a bull of a hack. But does the legacy and history matter to a person who's buying their first watch?
Everett	And if they do, you know what else we're getting here? Entry-level Seiko divers.
Andrew	Yeah.
Everett	We're getting mini turtles. We're getting king turtles. You know, 500 is tough. for a King Turtle, but you're starting to get into real legit.
Andrew	The Sumo, I think is right in that zone.
Everett	Yeah. I think the last Sumo came out was like 800 bucks, which is crazy. But, um, yeah, you, you can start to look at these things. Right. And, and now all of a sudden you're in just a totally different world. And so when I said earlier, we're probably not going to talk about a lot of watches in this category, but the point is not that there are no watches. The point is, There are unlimited watches. This is where you start to get watches.
Andrew	This is, this is it. This is where the conversation really begins. And it's not to say that there isn't quality and really cool shit under this price point, but this price point, this about $500 zone is where the coolest stuff is happening. It is the most bang for your buck zone in watches. Because small brands can't afford to miss. And people insist that they will only pay $500 for a small brand's watch. Which gives me some, you know, some conflicting feelings. I really like only paying $500. Yeah, me too. But I also recognize that I should be paying a lot more. And a little, it a little bit bugs me that brands can't charge more without being ostracized.
Everett	Markets are what they are and everything sort of levels out at some point. So in any event, I don't even own a watch brand that gives me heartburn. You had suggested earlier that this is where you start.
Andrew	I think this is where I go. And part of it's because of the, people who I know who are asking me about watches. I know generally how much money they make. Like I've been to their house. Like I know you can afford $500 for a watch.
Everett	I've seen the things on your shelf in the garage. Yeah.
Andrew	Like I know what you have. I know how much disposable income you have.
Everett	You have, you have more than $200 for a watch. You have a worm drive skill side that you've used four times. Exactly. Dewalt circular saw. You can afford a,
Andrew	You bought it because you felt like you might need it. It's still in, it's still in cellophane. All right. So that's where my conversation starts. I'm like, look, I know that that's how much money you want to spend. And I totally get it. If you do want to spend that much money, there's some options here. But if we're being real and a lot of it comes down to who you're talking to, right? Cause sometimes you talk to people and they're like, I want to watch. You're like, Hmm, you're a 5,600 guy. Yeah, that's right. You just treat things like shit and you need something to survive.
Everett	Yeah. We didn't talk about quartz watch or we didn't talk about digital watches today here. Uh, and, and there's good reason for that, but let's, lest you forget the right answer is always the G-Shock 5610. Okay.
Andrew	Always, always. I have multiple 5600s.
Everett	That's always the answer. Okay. 5600, 5610. So no matter what else you talk about, remember that.
Andrew	Yeah. So you, you knowing your audience, right? You know, the person who's talking to strangers, don't come up to you and ask, unless you're at windup, whenever it walks up to a stranger, who's just walking across the venue, it was like, Ooh, what are you wearing? The guy's like, Oh, that's weird. It's a watch. Like Everett, that guy's not here for windup. He's just walking down the street. That did happen. But you know, your audience and there's things to talk about the $500 zone. you know, plus or minus gets me the most excited. And that's the, the area that I really push for the most because that's where I think the most value is in what you're getting out of your purchase. It's where the least compromises are made and it's where the coolest shit is happening.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	It's where the coolest design is happening. It's where the most nimble design is happening. The most creativity, you know, we don't see blue as this year's hot thing. There might be blue there. But we're seeing brands come out with three, four, five new designs a year instead of blue. No, the blue was pretty OK. That's where the shit's happening. Five hundred thousand dollars is really it.
Everett	So remember, here's what you need to know. Step one, what's your budget?
Andrew	Yeah, what's your budget? Step two, it's five hundred dollars. It's $500. Your budget is $500.
Everett	Step two, what kind of movement? Step three, what kind of watch person is this going to be? Step four, complications. And again, don't make this too complicated. Complications shouldn't be complicated. Do you want to chronograph? Don't introduce moon phases. Do you want to, do you want to dive bezel? Yeah. And then from there you could move on to step five. But start with those four things and then move on to step five, which is, okay, now, now let's refine.
Andrew	And know your audience. Because, uh, one of my wife's friends asked me once, she's like, Hey, I know, you know, watches, I'm thinking about watches. And I was like, Oh, okay. She's like, I want something that's not really like flashy, something that's like, I don't know, kind of small. It tells the time. And I recommended some like 34 to 36 millimeter field watches. I sent her some Bertucci does like a lady's 34 or 35 ish millimeter. I like this H case is really cool. You can put it on a nylon strap. You're a parent. I fully understand how the shit that gets on your things. It's like, no, I want something cute. I was like, I, I maybe I'm the wrong person to be talking to because I don't fully understand what you're saying. She ended up getting like a 46 millimeter Michael Kors.
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	Chronograph. Um, I was like, so I'll just go fuck myself then. Like, why did you even ask me? That's what you wanted anyway. You just wanted me to like sign off on that purchase and I'm not going to do that.
Everett	Yeah. You know, I had, I had an opposite situation happen this last year. I had someone who's, who's an Apple watch where I said, Hey, I'm looking to get a watch. And I thought I'd ask you, and we started talking about watches, we went through this stuff. And I think the original budget was like, you know, 500 to 750.
Andrew	Oh, that's my jam. Let's talk.
Everett	They wound up with a Grand Seiko SBGR061, which is like a $4,500 watch. Yeah. And they wear it all the time and they love it.
Andrew	Hell yeah.
Everett	So, you know, knowing your audience, you know, working through the things is always important. And don't be afraid. Don't be afraid to, Make decisions. Okay. Don't be afraid to make decisions. Stand by your words, stand by, be confident in the recommendations you're making.
Andrew	And cut people out of your life if they don't agree with you.
Everett	Well, I'll tell you, somebody asked me about two years ago about khakis, maybe not even that long ago, said, Everett, I need a pair of khakis. What should I be looking at? And I sent them to Bills. Bills is a manufacturer of khakis. And they came back to me and they were like, holy shit, I'm not going to spend 150 bucks on a pair of khakis. Why are you making this recommendation? I was like, look, if you want banana Republic pricing, go to banana Republic or J crew, right?
Andrew	Like you came to me or J crew outlet and then pay a little less and get like something like one leg shorter than the other.
Everett	You came to me because you wanted a recommendation and this is the recommendation I'm making. If you, if you want, J crew outlet, go to like frugal fashion on Reddit or whatever, right? Like I, I know this stuff. I can only use the recommendation I'm making. Like you don't come to me and ask me about $35 Amazon special khakis. You come to me because you wanted to know what the deal is. That's the deal. Yeah. Don't be afraid to, don't be afraid to tell people like, look, if you want something good, this is what, this is what it requires. There are other things that you could do that are going to be fine and great and good. But for me, this is where you're at. And you don't have to be rude about that either, but. You're a rude person. I am a rude person. So. So it just comes out naturally. Yeah. We did it once again.
Andrew	The starter watch, we've covered some things. Eke out some more budget, get them talking about Foster, get them talking about Notice, Gavox. Yeah. You know, push the push the envelope. Get him to Raven. Traska. Traska. Gosh, Traska. Yeah. I wear my commuter so much.
Everett	Laurier.
Andrew	Yeah. And so I've had my commuter. Tool watch company. Most of a year. I think I've had him a full year now. It has yet to have any scarring.
Everett	And you've, and you've put that watch through its paces. You, you wear that watch.
Andrew	I don't, I don't treat it like I did my Alpinist, right? Where I was like hammering and stuff. I think I probably fucked up the movement with the Alpinist, like, like wearing it. Like I would wear a G-Shock. Um, but I put it through its paces and it is pristine.
Everett	Andrew. Other things.
Andrew	What do you got? So this weekend we took our, camper. My other thing is, is camper camping, trailer camping. My other thing is camper. I love that. In, in, in a, in a grand sense of things, right? I, I've been a tent camping person my entire life. I've spent at this point, honestly, years of my life living in a tent. This was my first experience And a camper trailer. So we we got a Coleman 17B. It's a twenty one and a half foot. Travel trailer. Has a sink. Microwave, two burner stove, a little shower, a toilet. You're glamping. No, it's not glamping. Right. I've seen them glamping trailers. This is this is rough in it by glamping standards. Uh, shit. We went and looked at a 32 foot trailer and I was like, I can't live in this bitch. I'm good with this. Um, it has no frills in the way of campers, right?
Everett	All you need is a trip to TJ Maxx home goods, brother. No, no, no. I mean, pure one imports. Get, get some of those curtains with the little brass curtain holder thing.
Andrew	Now you're glamping. We're talking frills. We're talking like some shit. This has none of that. It's super basic. It is basically the least amount of money you can pay for a travel trailer because we wanted to do that in the event that it just didn't work right. We were we were taking a taking a big dollar risk preparing for the worst. Yeah. And if it didn't work, OK, we sell it. We eat a little bit of a loss and it's like, oh, that was a fun three thousand dollar weekend. It was awesome. I am a full convert to camper camping. I still very much am going to like tent camping. I'm going to continue to tent camp, but the convene. So for those of you who camp, think about how dirty everything in your tent gets. That does not happen in your camper for the sole reason of that, you're not on the ground anymore. You walk in, you take your shoes off on the floor mat. and suddenly everything is clean. You sweep. You can sweep. You can like feasibly sweep. You can sweep out a tent with a, with a blower. Just if you have like kind of been in that zone of like, I think this might be worth it. They are super affordable. We got a really reasonable rate against current rates loan. We pushed it out. for like 15 years. So it will get expensive should we decide to, you know, run the life of the loan. It's 150 bucks a month was our payment for this thing. It is awesome. There's campsites everywhere. They all have full hookups. We one thing we realized immediately. Because of the size of our trailer, We do need full hookups. There's not going to be many prolonged trips without, at the very least, a sewage hookup because over three days we did fill the gray and black tanks. Yeah. But everything. So I did a lot of research and learning and YouTube watching and reading and preparation for this because I don't like going into things unprepared. I showed up, we parked it. I told Sam, I was like, manage these fucking animals. I'm gonna get a setup. 10 minutes later, I was standing at the door of the trailer and I was like, we're good to go. Everything's hooked up. Everything's working. Why hasn't anything gone wrong?
Everett	Cause it's simple.
Andrew	It was awesome. I'm a full convert. I, I am a trailer camping person now. Like we're, we're planning monthly trips to, different places to go sleep in our camper. It was awesome. I love if you're considering it. Consider it more. We are loving it. It takes up a whole lot of space in our driveway. Covers are expensive. That was the most shocking part. The cover for it. 400 bucks. Dang. Yeah, I was like, I paid 40 bucks for cover for the boat. Why is this 400? But everything else, it's like, oh, that makes sense. That makes sense. This it was way easier than I expected it to be. And because it's not a bells and whistles, super frilly, all the cool shit. I'm really comfortable that if anything fails or breaks, I can fix it, even though because it's brand new, has bumper to bumper warranty. So it's awesome. Trailer, I'll link to I don't know, an RV magazine or something, but this is, this is money. It, I'm very pleased with our acquisition.
Everett	I've got, I've got a podcast.
Andrew	Do me. We, yeah, it's right here. We're actively recording it.
Everett	I've got another thing, which is a podcast.
Andrew	Okay. That makes more sense.
Everett	I've got a podcast for my other thing today. This is a podcast by a company called Chameleon. Uh, I've talked about, I think one, other chameleon, um, podcast here. I think I talked about the high rollers perhaps. Um, or perhaps I talked about wild boys, one of the two, but chameleon makes these great, they're kind of like true crime, but it's not true crime. The way you think about it, it's more like interesting people, interesting subjects, interesting sort of crime. Anyway, all of these have been crime is, but, um, This is a podcast that came out a few, started a few weeks ago. It is eight episodes.
Andrew	Okay. Limited series or just eight episodes thus far?
Everett	Uh, limited series. There are three episodes so far. Um, they, they have just published episode three and I think they're publishing on Sundays. I subscribe to The Binge, which gives me access to the entire season once it drops. So I am almost done with this. So this podcast is... This podcast is called Dr. Dante. Dr. Dante is a human being that I now know a lot about, who I am amazed that I did not know about previously. This man is named Ronald Peller, nay Ronald Dante, nay Dr. Dante, Dr. not being a designation of any sort of education credentials, but rather a name change. Uh, for the sake of credibility, man, that's right. Man starts off as a stage hypnotist who, uh, master of deception is instantly sort of sucked into this Hollywood scene based on his charisma and charm. Um, Mary's a starlet briefly. I don't want to get too much into the details, but every time you think, okay, where are they? We've got so many more episodes. Where do we go from here? They unpack a new chapter of this man's life and it is fantastic. So I've just started the final episode around that.
Andrew	Is he, is this a murder thing?
Everett	No.
Andrew	So it's just like a Ponzi scheme kind of thing. Or is it just like a master deceptionist thing? Listen to the podcast. God, I don't have the binge.
Everett	Okay. Listen to the podcast. It's phenomenal. I'm not going to spoil anything for our dear viewers, listeners. They don't view, they listen. I'm not going to spoil anything for these folks. But this man is an absolute legend and an absolute scumbag.
Andrew	So this is Tiger King podcast edition.
Everett	Maybe some similarities here. I'm here for it. It's been phenomenal. I have been riveted the entire way through, even though at multiple different junctures along the way, I've thought, how are they going to keep us going? They've told us too much of the story. And then you realize about five minutes later that, oh, no.
Andrew	But wait, there's more.
Everett	But wait, there's more.
Andrew	So this is Tiger King podcast edition.
Everett	It's amazing. It's amazing. I love it. I'm here for it. Subscribe to The Binge if you want to listen to it all right now. I can't remember how much it is. It's not a ton of money and there's a ton of great podcasts that you can get.
Andrew	It was like five bucks a month when you got it. You got it to access something and then you were like, Oh yeah, I like all these things.
Everett	You don't need it. Most of the things on there now are all available, but it was nice to listen to the first episode of this, realize it was on The Binge and realize that I have them all. So Dr. Dante, Available anywhere you get your podcast, but if you subscribe to The Binge, you can get it now. Episode three came out on Sunday. I think the episode four will come out next Sunday.
Andrew	I'll be waiting a couple of weeks.
Everett	Yeah, just let it play. Just let it run its course. And with that, Andrew, I think we've done it.
Andrew	As always, we have made it and the record button was pushed. So this is in the can, as it were.
Everett	Andrew, I've got a surprise for our guests at home and it's going to come as a surprise to you as well.
Andrew	Ooh. Are we doing a discount on OnlyFans this month?
Everett	We've got an actual podcast sponsor for this week's episode. What? We've got an actual podcast sponsor. So this week's episode of the 40 in 20 podcast is brought to you by Casper and Son Watch Repair. From your grandfather's pocket watch to your own modern sports watch, Casper & Son offers service and repairs at affordable prices. Visit CasperAndSon.com or at CasperWatchRepair on Instagram to give your favorite watch second life. Casper & Son is owned by a good friend of ours. The best friend. Evan Casper, who has been a guest on this show. I'm used to writing.
Andrew	And he, you know, we love Evan.
Everett	And has written for our website and now is editing the Tempest Fugit website. Evan's a fantastic dude, super talented. And I would, in a second, send my watch to him for repair.
Andrew	My Alpinist is going to go to him. I've just been waiting to pull the trigger on spending more money on a watch that I've already bought to make it run again.
Everett	If you've got a watch needs repair, check out casperandson.com. Links to this will be in the show notes. Our very first sponsor, Evan. Thank you so much. Go check out casperandson.com. And thank you for joining us for this episode of 40 and 20, the Watch Clicker podcast. Hey, why don't you check us out on our website, watchclicker.com. We post every single episode of this podcast there, as well as reviews, articles, multiple, multiple items every single week. Watch clicker.com. It is probably objectively the best watch website in the whole entire world. Objectively. Yeah. You can also check us out on Instagram at watch clicker and at 40 and 20 underscore watch clicker.
Andrew	We'll tell that story next week.
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