Episode 217 - Watches Roundup for December 22, 2022

Published on Wed, 21 Dec 2022 22:14:04 -0800

Synopsis

This episode features a discussion on various watch-related topics. They start by critiquing the new "Brick Watch Co." launched by Dave Portnoy, calling it an overpriced and unimpressive product. They then talk about some positive releases, including a new Jacques Droz watch inspired by the Rolling Stones' albums, featuring miniature sculptures on the dial, and a collaboration between Worn & Wound and Nevada featuring a limited edition chronograph. They also discuss the new light blue G-Shock collaboration with John Mayer, which they find tasteful and reasonable. Towards the end, Andrew recommends making a French pork sausage terrine for Christmas, and Everett talks about his newfound addiction to the mobile game Stardew Valley.

Transcript

Speaker
Andrew Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your host, Andrew, and my good friend, Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you? Man, I am, I'm living my life here. We got a Ranch Rita. You might've heard my audible sound that I made on my first sip. And this isn't like a breaking of the beer fast audible sound. That was like, these are just so good. Buy them if you see them. They're available at Kroger, Fred Meyer. They are delightful. Lone River Ranch Rita. It's a, uh, I wouldn't call it a seltzer. It's a margarita seltzer. That's exactly what it is. I think it's too many sugars to be, no? It's the margarita part of it. Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't, it's not watery. It's not sultry like a seltzer. It's got more flavor. It's got a bigger flavor. It's a canned margarita, but made with not booze. A canned carbonated margarita. That's like 6% or something. What is that? These are, what are they? They have to have it on a can. I think that's 6% alcohol by volume. Yeah. So it'll get you drunk. Uh, And you'll enjoy it. Yeah, these are good. Um, yeah, no, I'm doing, I'm doing really well. We're here to talk about watches, uh, which is one of my favorite times of the week. Don't rush us into this. We are going to, um, talk about some other thing that you want to talk about apparently. Andrew, how are you? Well, we're, we're only at two minutes in. You can't be like, and we're finally here. No, no, we, We deserve some catch up time. Yeah, sure. Catch me up, man. I have nothing to catch you up on. I was hoping that you had some interesting stuff. I'm good. I am unexpectedly off all of this week. Because you got fired. Well, I wouldn't say that. Okay. You wouldn't say that because it's not true or because it feels bad. I wouldn't say that because it's not true. So here's the deal. This week, I experienced one of the first times that past Andrew really looked out for future Andrew. At my job, we change schedule, we bid, because we're in a union, we bid for our upcoming year schedule a year in advance, or not a year in advance, but a few weeks in advance. Sure. Our bids open usually around Thanksgiving, they close, you know, a couple of weeks after that they're announced, you know, second, third week of December, third, fourth week of December is when they open up your opportunity to put in for vacation for the following year. That's when they say, Hey, schedules are set. You may now start putting in for your upcoming year vacations. Last week I was at work and I was like, I was in a little bit of a dark place last week, just kind of grumpy. And I was trying to be more grumpy. Like, you know how when you get in one of those moods where just like everything fucking sucks and you look for things to make it suck more. So what I did was I looked at the schedule for Christmas Eve just to see how shitty my life was going to be. So your life is shittier the fewer people that are working.
Everett Right.
Andrew And I looked at the schedule on Christmas Eve and I was like, That's odd. I'm not on that schedule. Where are you? And I looked at the previous day, not there. Looked at the previous day, not there. The previous day, not there. And I was like, that's really bad that you are not scheduled to work in two weeks. It's really bad. Why aren't you scheduled to work? And I like went inside, I found a supervisor and I was like, Hey bro, can you look at my schedule? Cause I can only see like day by day and they can look at, you know, master plan. He pulled up my schedule and he's like, you're on vacation. I was like, what? He's like, yeah, you put it in and it was approved on January or on December 16th of 21. I was like, get the fuck out of here. What? So apparently last year when the vacation schedule opened up, I had the foresight to put in for this week of vacation. Turns out I'm on vacation this week. It's like ordering something on AliExpress. Fuck yeah. It takes so long to get there that when it gets there, you're like, amazing. I forgot all about this. So good. So I'm on vacation this week unexpectedly. And I am so excited. You just can't hide it. I can't. My dad came down today because I've told him that I'm on vacation this week, which means that I will be in Portland doing the family thing on Christmas. I don't know if he chose to not hear it, if he didn't care or if he doesn't remember, but he came down today to celebrate my youngest birthday, which was last week. but also brought all the Christmas presents that he got for the kids. I was like, I can leave them in the car. I was like, yeah, we're going to see you next week. Leave them in the car. I'm going to see you on Sunday. You know this, this isn't new. So my dad was here today. So it was a little bit of a weird day, right? When you add like an extra person into what is already a kind of a weird environment. So we kept our littlest home from daycare. It's winter break for second grader. So it was just a little bit of a big day. But other than that, it just didn't make me bad. When I say other than that, it makes me think like, in spite of that. Not in spite of that.
Everett I'm really good.
Andrew Had a big day today. And I'm on vacation. And you're on vacation. Surprise vacation. Which doesn't happen at the start of surprise vacation. No, tomorrow starts surprise vacation. But this is today. No, tomorrow I would usually work.
Everett Okay.
Andrew This is normal weekend. Sure. This is a normal Tuesday. Yeah. Leading into not a nap day, which is a little bit of a bummer because I love nap day. I found myself today about the middle of the day. Like I could use some sleep. Think about time for a nap. Yeah. That's neither here nor there. But I'm good. And I'm on vacation. It's my first Christmas off since 2018. That's a long time. Yeah. I was thinking about that. when I realized that I put in for it off and I was like, oh wow, you should do this more often. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. That's a, that's a nice surprise. And so now you put in for vacation for next year. I did do that. Did you, um, request Christmas week off again? I did because, so the side of the week that I work Wednesday to Saturday. And that's not changing in your new schedule? Nope. Not changing. I'm just senior enough to be able to guarantee that. has Christmas off for the next couple of years. So, usually Christmas Eve is like a Friday, and then Christmas Day is Saturday. Not usually, it rotates, it moves about in the week. But for the next couple of years, I will have Christmas Eve and Christmas Day off, which will be really great. Just as a matter of when it falls on the calendar. Yep, just as a matter of it's like a Sunday or a Monday, or a Tuesday, right? Yeah, it's great. You know, I was not a real pro union type until I became a union man. And now that I am, I'm fucking all for it. There's some weird, you know, hanks to it. And there's some things that like chat my ass. But when my workplace fucks me and I go to my union and they're like, yeah, they fucked you. And then my workplace has to pay me money because of what they did to me. I really like that. Like, wait a second, you weren't supposed to work those hours or like some weird, like out of, out of like union seniority thing happens. Like, Hey, that guy shouldn't have had the day off. I should have had the day off and he had it off. They're like, how does 10 hours of vacation sound to you? Like, sounds really good. Yep. Sweet. Here's your 10 hours of vacation. And I worked, so I got paid for those 10 hours. And then I got an additional 10 hours. Well, that worked out well. I'm down with the union. I'm still like at my core and in principle, really not pro-union, but my personal self, like my- Your day-to-day guilty pleasure. My indulgent self really, really likes unions and encourages any of those who are not in a union to find a position where you can be unionized. Don't fucking unionize. Don't do that. Just join a union. Don't make more of the problem. Join the problem. Join in the fun. Exactly. But don't don't make it worse. Please, Starbucks, don't unionize. We, you know, I have employees. I am a boss. I hope they unionize against you. I am a boss. And today at. I'll be dropping flyers off. Today at. I have. Um, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, I guess 6 employees and, um, 2, 5 of those. No, that's, that's not true. 4 of those, 4 of the full-time employees are salaried and 1 of them is hourly. Sucks to be him. And her. Her. And today. It would be. You're such a misogynist. And today. I couldn't even say that with a straight face. At 5.05. 505, I was stuffing envelopes with the hourly employee and, uh, realized that I had a salaried employee in the building. And I, I did the math. I was like, yeah, fuck it. I'll pay the half hour of overtime. But I was like, why wasn't there another partner in there with you or stuffing envelopes? Somebody who's like, I was like the decision, well, because the partners were all the partners are all gone, right? I'm the only partner in the room anyway. Uh, yeah, but there was this moment where I was like, yeah, this is the decision making that gets people in trouble because I'm billing 200 and you know, whatever, almost $300 per hour stuff envelopes to stuff envelopes. And meanwhile, I'm worried about, you know, paying this person 15 extra dollars to stay late. It's more than that. But yeah, no, I take your point. Yeah. Well, for like a half hour. Yeah. Anyway, the Delta is is not huge. I hope she unionizes. I hope she becomes a one lady union just by herself. Yeah. Union Lou. Andrew watches. We're going to do it. It's been 12 minutes. It has been. This is our our, you know, we've gotten oddly political. We're going to round up some watches. We have been talking unions. That's unusual for us. We're going to, we're going to round up some watches today. No unions, no politics, just watches. Just watches. And we're going to talk about some new watches. We're going to talk about some watch opinions. This is the end of the year. And some not new watches. Yeah. A few things happen at the end of the year. And not, here's the thing. We, we were busy this week, which is why we're doing a roundup. We didn't have time to do some research to do the dive in. But we're frequently reading about, thinking about, seeing watch media. That's why we're doing Roundup. There's not many new releases coming into the year. Yeah, that's right. The releases slow down. The releases slow down. The cool shit slows down. This is kind of like a reset and reflect period. And you get a lot of garbage media, too. And garbage does not... No, you get a lot of trash media. Our favorite collabs of 2022. Yeah, we all know what they were. Nobody's surprised by them. And that's not a disparage it. And that article might be interesting. And, you know, Warn and Wound does a thing where and Hodinkee does a similar thing where they'll go around the office and they'll talk to these persons. You know, you get to meet these people, right? You meet them through their feelings about watches. That's fun, right? That could be fun, too. It's for all intents and purposes what we do here, right? We don't know anything about watches. We don't provide anything of value. But we have opinions and we assume the people who listen to us are vaguely interested in those opinions. Because you keep tuning in. But you get a lot of that. You're getting a lot of that this time of year. There will be some of that because some of that stuff is interesting and some, there's some insights, but, but there are a few watches. There are a few watches. So can we start with mine? Cause I think mine is the, is, is one of the biggest new releases of the year. Okay. I don't, I could not tell you what we're, I don't know based on your list, what we're talking about. I would like to finally take a moment to address The release of the Brick Watch Co. Watches. Oh. Okay. And I don't think this release deserves a lot of time. I think the reception to the release deserves a little bit of time. Can we stop just for a second? and talk about what this watch is. Because the folks that are at home, some of them have taste, some of them have jobs. Yeah, so they may not know what this watch is. So here is what the Brick Watch Company is. The Brick Watches has been founded by a fella named Dave Portnoy, who is fat Mark Zuckerberg. AKA- Hold on, just look at pictures because it's such an apt description. Okay, carry on. Who is also the owner of Barstool Sports Media. Founder of Barstool Sports, yeah. No, you're right. He's no longer the owner. He is the founder and CEO of Barstool Sports Media. If you're unfamiliar with Barstool Sports, follow him on Instagram and just scroll through the last 10 posts. You'll be fully aware of and familiar The brand. It's a bro media outlet. Sure. Sure. And I don't mean bro and like homie. I mean, bro and like fat bro or frat bro, not fat. Also, although he is fat Mark Zuckerberg, I mean, frat bro. I'm talking like, uh, not old dominion. What's the Southern dominion. It's that like Southeast United States fraternity, like legacy fraternity shit. Yeah, sure. Where like, if your dad was SAE at Georgia Tech, so too shall you be, for it is written. Yeah, you know, I frankly, I don't know a ton about Dave Portnoy. I don't know much about Dave. I know much about the people who have become totally enveloped by the barstool sports mantra, right? It's bro culture. It's this strange thing. Fair to say that a lot of barstool sports viewers, listeners, readers are also heavily invested in the Joe Rogan podcast. And their fraternity. Correct. Correct. So this is a watch brand made by Dave Portnoy, reviewer of pizzas, sitter of barstools. And lover of tits. Yeah. Well, I, that's me too. You're an ass man. I know that about you. And that's an important distinction to make. So Dave Portnoy starts a watch company. He does. And, and he starts it, you know, there's an Instagram video on the brick Instagram. And I think his first video is actually really worth a watch. Cause he, he worth a view. Cause he frames his position and I think he, he frames it really eloquently and then in kind of a, in a, for me as a watch person in a really hopeful way, right on first watch, you see this guy who is self-made, he has made a bucket load of money through sweat and tears and that's fucking awesome. Yeah. Legitimately. Yeah. Worked his ass off, made a bucket load of money. He made a bucket load of money. And then he's like, you know what? A dude as rich as me needs to buy a Rolex. And this is his story, right? This is, this is a, you know, not word for word, but this is his idea that he, that he shares. I need to buy a Rolex. And he goes to buy a Rolex. And he gets in, he picks out his watch. He's like, I don't think I should spend $12,000 on a Rolex just because it says Rolex. I think I can maybe do this just as good for less money. And then he goes and spends some, and this is where, this is where truth and what's the word I want? Pure storytelling. Truth and story. Poetic license. Divulge. Spends the next two years coming up with a watch that, should it bear the Rolex logo, would be worth $12,000. But it doth not bear the Rolex logo. And for because it does not bear said logo, it's only $2,000. $2,400 I think to be more precise. Yeah, I think that's right. Now with your $2,400 purchase, you're also making a substantial donation to his nonprofit. I think that 20% of his proceeds. Yeah, I think 20% of proceeds go toward his foundation that provides, I don't know if it's VC or if it's just capital. I don't know exactly how his foundation works. I haven't put a lot of work into it. Frankly, I don't care. His story is that 20% of his proceeds go back into small businesses. So whether it be VC, whether it be grant, whether it be just straight gift giving, it exists. And a company like this has to be very above board because I can imagine the lawsuits are bountiful and plentiful. And if he is not actually giving that money, it becomes problematic. So I imagine it is probably a legitimate donation to ward that end. And at 20% of $2,500, that's a lot. It's not insignificant when you're talking about margins that are typically razor thin. And at that price point, razor thin, if you're trying to break into the low luxury market. But what we, what we found out, what we found out subsequently is that his margins are, his margins are, Much greater? Likely not razor thin. Yeah. So what we got, and this is why I say there was a significant break from truth and the myth. Um, what we got was not in fact a, uh, $12,000 watch bearing a logo other than Rolex. What we got was, um, entry-level Bolova in design language and finishing. in parts? You know, so these watches are made by a company called the American Watch Company, which is a big company. They make a lot of watches. They do it? Yeah. There's been a lot of information about how much these watches cost to make and yada, yada, yada. Some of the stuff will say they're all quartz watches. They have a Sellita SW200 version So they also have quartz, but quartz is not necessarily cheap, right? When you look at spring drive, when you look at some higher accuracy quartz, quartz alone is not enough to defile a brand. I think that's an important defense to make for brick. And it's the only one I will make. Bottom line, these, these watches are not probably based on the manufacturer and based on the things going on inside them. They're probably technically not. terrible watches. Uh, I also don't think they're probably all together. Very nice watches. I think what we're looking at are four to $800 micro brand watches, probably in terms of quality. And if you add, if we, if we hold the $250 or $500, cause at 20%, $2,400, we'll say $2,500 to be fair. We're looking at nineteen hundred bucks. Yep. Tip of the like north end. And that's holding a significant portion of the cost toward this foundation donation. Which is still a fuck ton of money. It's a bucket load of money for a brand. That just kind of looks like shit. Yeah, he he has self identified as not a watch guy. He should have paid watch people to design this watch because these are unpleasant. These are fossil watches with a different movement and decent cause. But they have made an enormous splash in the market because Dave Portnoy showing up and being like, Hey, I'm a watch guy. And this is watch cost $2,400 though. I'm not a watch guy has rubbed a lot of people in a really interestingly wrong way. I think my dog's just got let out and blink. Oh no. Someone rang my doorbell and just left my house. It doesn't matter. This fella breaking into the watch industry is a really interesting thing. And I think it's more, it's a greater commentary on what watches have become, what the industry at large has become. And it, I think we're going to see a lot more of this and I'm really interested to see what it does. I think, What do you mean what it does? This is not going to, what do you, what do you mean what it does? What it does, what this thing that, that Fat Mark Zuckerberg is trying to do does. Why do you think it will do anything? It shows how ripe this industry is for introductions, for people to show up on the scene with something I think it made the micro brand industry bigger. It opened up a door that I think previously wasn't there. We have Fat Mark Zuckerberg who sees this as a ripe market for new watches. And I think we're going to see more of this with this huge capital. I think we're going to see an influx in the next year of new brands with virtually unlimited capital. I don't think showing up. And I think it's going to be, I think, I think it's there. I think, I think he's done a thing. I think he's opened a door where we're going to see people with a ton of money show up to be able to fund brands entirely, to be able to sit on five, 7,000 pieces of inventory. And I think, I think what that does is it, it creates a market partnership for these people to see, hey, my brand kind of fucking sucks. This brand doesn't suck so much. How do I buy into this? How do we like, I think we're going to see a thing in the next few years of huge investors finding these small brands who are doing well. Brands like notice. I think, I think Foster is even a good example of a really small brand that a that a big ass fucking shark is going to show up with some capital and be like, Hey, I can, I can buy into this. I can get down with your party. My thing sucked. Your thing doesn't let's fund your thing and make it bigger. I think there's something here. And I think his attempt to enter this market is a, it is kind of a, is the first step in that my takeaways are all almost exactly the opposite. I think we've got a super well-developed, watch industry, like over well-developed, like developed to the point where there's very few inroads. We've got... Which is why I think we're gonna see these huge investors show up. Maximum saturation in terms of products, brands, types of watches. We've got... And then there's this one dude with a whole bunch of money who went and bought a Dayglo ski suit and showed up as if nobody's ever seen this before. And what we found is that the market is completely closed, not open. And he's, I don't know if he's, I mean, theoretically he's sold a handful of watches. You're supporting my position. What if Dave Portnoy shows up to Traska headquarters and is like, Hey, I'd like to give you $5 million to increase your inventory so you can sit on it. Yeah. Well, I increase your R and D and like do shit. That's cool. I want to be a, you know, a minority partner. That, that is happening. It's not happening here. It's happening in Switzerland. Um, but that's happening a little bit here. What if that happens? The American watch market where all these fucking assholes who have a ton of money that they want to spend and make money off of, what if Dave Portnoy shows up to foster? What if he comes and knocks on your door tomorrow and says, I mean, and you're maybe not a great example just because of your unique position. But what if he shows up to, to Laurier tomorrow and is like, Hey, I've got, I've got $5 million. I want to increase your inventory. I want to increase your production. I want to increase your research. I want to make this brand bigger and better and make more money. And I'd like to be a 49% partner. Yeah, no, I mean, look, we, so, or even to even like, yeah, you're, you're raising some interesting points, uh, because that, that is, that is a thing that can happen. In fact, I, We recently, well, I say we, Kristen recently met with someone who's a marketing guy who was working with a watch company, um, to do essentially like high, high volume sales, um, with like advanced marketing techniques. And so those things can happen and they do happen. I, I, I am a little bit reluctant to think that it's an amazing opportunity. And I'll tell you why. The margins are razor thin in watches. The consumers are hyper, hyper educated. Concede. And, and so in order, so, so for instance. Which is why Brick is going to fail. One of the, one of the, one of the things that we've talked to people about is essentially doing like a cost per acquisition, CPA marketing sales. So they set up, a secondary or a third-party sales platform, and they push the watches. And then they get, per acquisition, a certain amount of money. And it's usually set, right? So it might be, you know, for a watch, you may be looking at like $100, you know, $125. Which, when your margins are that thin, is like That's my margin, right? That's it. That's my margin. Then you're just selling watches. You're not making money. That's right. We've got a little bit more room than that. You don't have breathing room to be able to fund the next watch. That's right. So, you know, if we're talking about what maybe, you know, the big brands, the brands, the big micro brands, I should say, are selling maybe 25 to 4,000, the biggest micro are selling 2,500, 3,000 watches a year, right? Or Richard Mille though. Well, but they have huge amounts of profits. Huge costs. Huge costs, but margins are set, right? So if you are Jacque Drozd selling one watch for $250,000, if it cost $80,000 to make that, okay, well you've got margins. there, right? You only need to sell 10 watches, right? And you're making a million bucks, right? So it's all relative. But in this game, for a $500 watch, a $600 watch, if you start paying people, all of a sudden there's no money left until you're selling huge volumes. So you might be right. There might be some space there, but I'm reluctant to think that it's a market that an educated investor is going to really be itching I think these guys are going to be finding brands like Hallios. There's just not enough people buying, there's not enough people buying $800 watches in the world to warrant a heavy investment. I don't know. But that's, that's the thing though, because there aren't enough people buying it. And when you bring this kind of ass to bear, That becomes the thing. When Dave Portnoy shows up and says, Notice is the watch that you buy, every motherfucker south of the Hamptons is buying two, three, five of those watches. And Notice can supply that demand. Brick can supply the demand for Every asshat south of New Jersey. He just have a shitty fucking product to supply him. I think it's a really interesting thing that he's done. I think he'll realize the error of his ways. He's not a dumb guy. He's made a bucket load of money because he's a grinder because he learns. He's dug in his heels a little bit. If you watch any subsequent Instagram videos, he's thrown a little bit of a tantrum. I think an interesting door has opened. I'm really fascinated to see what comes of it, if anything. I'm not saying something will. I'm saying he's opened an interesting door. With the brick release, there's been several articles published about what you can do Better than brick has brick did a quartz three hander and a. No, they did a quartz. Quartz dive diver and a self and an auto three hander. They are both boring. They are also both unattractive. There has been no lack of. watch world response to what you can do for that price point that's better. And it's the usual players. Like you get Manta, you get, you know, Oh, anyone, right. If you want to spend $2,000, if that's your, your dollar value, you want to get a nice watch. Monta's kind of space.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew Nothing's coming right off the top of my head. That's in that $2,000 specifically. You know, there's a lot South of 200, like, like 15 to two that's there. But in that $2,000 range, Monta's your, your jam. And if you want, if you have a set dollar value, I want to spend $2,000 on a launch. Go to Monta. You know, it's interesting. Cause Monta's first release when they, I think it was a SkyQuest. I don't remember. Monta's first release. Uh, when they very first came on the scene was sold, was intended to be sold sort of by conventional retail streams. They had it priced high. I can't remember exactly what, but I think it was over three grand. Was it? I thought it was like 25, 27. That might be right. Cause that was, and then they dropped it to 1700 or something like that. Yeah. When they went directly to consumer. And, and I think that it was not, it wasn't the same, right? Because those guys knew watches, they were watch guys. They were already in the space, right? With their Everest. There was some similar, there was some similar decision-making, right? There was like, they came in, they didn't understand the consumer and they, they made a big move. It was a bold move. And we've talked about this on the show before they, they, they course corrected, I think, Quickly and well. Elegantly. That's right. Yeah. And, um, you, you know, you live and you learn, right? You've got to, you've got. They showed up at a weird time too, right? Five years earlier, I think they show up and they're really successful. I think, I think they land well in that space, but the problem is with when they came to market, they showed up in the direct to consumer timeline where you could get, you know, not exactly comparable, but you know, in the ballpark for 800 bucks. Well, and there was some huge differences, right? Manta was making from the get go a really excellent, well thought out watch, right? And, and so people weren't saying, well, this is a shit box. They were saying, this is interesting, but geez, it's a lot of money. Um, brick has not done that right there. They're charging a lot. This is the result of a lot of hubris, uh, bad decision-making, failure to understand your product, failure to understand your market. That's the one. Um, and, and yeah, you know, ultimately I think this is going to be, I can't remember what he said. He, he spent 8 million bucks, right. He did say that, which I think I figured it out. And it's like 10,000 watches, right? Well, you hope. you hope 10,000 watches because otherwise he's getting taken for a fucking ride. That's right. I went back and did the math and kind of like tried to estimate, estimate what I thought the watches could sell for. And you know, I figured it's something like maybe 10 grand or 10,000 pieces, right. Which is, uh, you know, ambitious. It's a baller move, man. You know, um, but, but you figure if he's a going concern, He might sell 1500 watches a year, but he's not a going concern and he can't sell these things. He's not going to be able to sell these. He's not going to sell 500 a year. My family members haven't bought a foster because they cost too much and they cost a fifth of what these things cost, right? These barstool sports folks, some of them are going to buy that. And, and, but it's probably like, 1% maybe less of the people who really like him are gonna be able to buy this watch because it's, it's out, you know, he didn't understand the market. And he also overestimated him. Yeah. He overestimated himself and his cult of personality. Yeah. He didn't get good advice. Uh, so are, are you good? I'm good. We spent way too much time talking about Brick, Dave Portnoy, AKA Fat Mark Zuckerberg. If you don't understand what I'm saying, do some Googling because I think that's one of the most, the first time I saw him, I was like, wow, that guy got fat. Turns out it wasn't the guy that I thought it was. So I don't like that watch. The brick? I don't like that watch. I don't like either of them. Can we talk about a watch I do like? I would like to talk about something positive because I don't particularly like that we have just had our first largely negative episode. This is our first one. I'm also going to talk about a watch that you and I are not going to buy. I'm also going to talk about a watch that probably I, I would estimate to say that no one who listens to this podcast is going to buy one of these. I think that's really just, just purely statistically speaking. That's probably true. We're not going to talk about your titanium G-Shock. We're just not going to talk about it anymore. So there's a company called Jacque Droz. Ooh, okay. There's a company called Jacque Droz that makes Very expensive. What I would call art timepieces. I can, I accept that assessment. So some people call it hate. Folks, I think there's a lot of overlap of people that listen to our podcast and people that listen to Two Broke Watch Snobs. I was introduced to Jacques Hedro via Two Broke Watch Snobs. I was introduced to Jacques Hedro by Two Broke Watch Snobs. Um, And I had an opportunity at Watch Time, not this year, but last year to... Yeah, there was no chance. ...handle some Jackie Drew. So it's really hard to understand these watches, this manufacturer of watches, until you get hands on these things and you see, you know, there's just a lot going on here, right? I think that's one of the problems with haute horology is that you don't It doesn't make sense in photos. And then you put it on your wrist and you're like, Oh, there it is. No, I see it. So, so these things, I mean, they're just the things we talk about don't matter, but they're also the things we consider in watches don't matter here, right? Like nobody's talking about the brushing, the quality of the brushing on a jacket or whatever, right? Because it's, it's impeccable. You just know it's going to be impeccable. This is so fucking cool. Last week, Jacky Drew announced a, or they announced this last year, but they've sort of given us a sneak peek on the first of 23 piece unique watches that retrace the Rolling Stones album history. So they're 23 watches celebrating 23 piece unique watches. So not 23 models, 23 watches, each of them piece unique, each of them celebrating a different Rolling Stones album. And like all Jack Hedrow watches, these things move, the dials move. So they announced the first of these, which is, I believe, Oh, gosh, what album? Oh, geez. So I think this is rock and roll never dies is what they're calling this. Yeah. And look, what is going to be a link in the show notes? We will not be able to do this justice with our words. It has a seven piece drum set sculpture on the dial, seven pieces standing to. Symbols, a fucking hi-hat, a snare, two amps. Three amps, excuse me. Yeah, it has an entire collage of the stage equipment. That rotates, and this is accurate to the instruments that these fellows actually play, it rotates around the timekeeping mechanism on the dial. These are really, really neat. The detail on the bass drum, is it is nothing short of miraculous. You can see the clamps, the clamps that tighten drum skins. Yeah. That's the skin, right? Yes. The, the, the clamps that tighten the skin on the bass drum, the symbols are at the proper angle. Like this is, This is looking at a photograph of what the stage looks like without these guys on stage. This is. And it's clearly Ronnie Wood Strat. It's clearly Charlie Watts drums. Uh. Oh. Clearly Keith Richards five string. I mean, so. So this is like museum quality art. Yes. On a watch that you will never be able to buy. And maybe just maybe. If you win the lottery, you could see one in real life. Yeah. So they're calling it the Jackie draw Rolling Stones automaton. Super fucking boring dial. We're not going to. So that's a rose gold bull, all black dial. Like fuck that. The, the, the artistry that goes into the 80% of the visible dial is worth every penny. 270,000 bones. That's cheap. 270,000 bones. Rose gold. Might re-mortgage my house. You couldn't afford it. Re-mortgage my house? Yeah. I mean, you still couldn't get there, maybe? Yeah. Okay. If I took a second mortgage, I could, I mean, not at an auction. It's going to go for more than $270,000. What do you got? I already went on my terror about brick. Read an interesting article on Time and Tide. Scratch me if you can. How to wear your luxury watch and minimize wear and tear. And they have some interesting suggestions. Wear it under your wrist on the inside like a fucking operator. Yes, I'm cool. Get a carry case so you can carry it in your pocket. Here's one I do agree with. A microfiber cloth. So I've been wearing my Santos a lot. It's basically the only watch I wear when I'm not working. It's a fingerprint magnet. I lick it a lot and I wipe it on my t-shirt a lot. Microfiber cloth would probably be better. Yeah. It would get less dirty. because I would lick it less, wipe my t-shirt less, because as my day progresses, my t-shirt gets more dirty. So I can kind of get down with a microfiber cloth in your wallet. It doesn't take up much space for those of us who aren't front pocket wallet wearing folks. A microfiber cloth takes up way less space than the 70,000 receipts you carry in your trifold wallet in your back pocket. I might incorporate this into my daily life. Old fashioned caution. I don't like living my life like my right arm is. I don't like living like an invalid. Which, wearing a Santos, a lot, it's a super light watch. Yeah. I forget that I'm wearing it a lot. It's super light, it's super thin. I've banged it into things. No consequences yet. Scratch it first. I know this is This is my favorite of all the advice and they show a picture of, uh, they show a picture of a Royal Oak that's just been fucking through the garbage disposal. And this is the one I'm down with this. Like we have a whole episode about how to wear your tool watch and it's fucking wear it. I'm, I'm all about like, do care for your things. If you treat your things like shit, you're doing it wrong. If you care for your things, you're going to use them, right? Nobody has a pristine hammer hanging on their tool bench. But if you care for your hammer, it's not also sitting under the pile of shop rags. Use your fucking shit. Wear your things. It's your watch. You love it. You bought it for a reason. I'm not going to wear my Santos to work. It's not because I don't love my Santos. It's not even because it doesn't have loom. It's because I don't want the things that I do at work to be introduced to this watch. Tools have a purpose. One inch shaft, number four Phillips. It's very different. than a jeweler's Phillips. Well, Phillips had screwdrivers. They serve very different purposes. The other things ahead of this recommendation, I was like, this is a stupid article. And then when I got to scratch it first, I was like, OK, redemption. Wear your shit, but also do things that make sense. You should not Wear your 1963 scuba diving. That you just shouldn't. You also shouldn't wear your speedy scuba diving. You can wear it to space, but you shouldn't wear a scuba diving. Understand that tools have limitations. The Gerber multi-tool that the army issues you was one of my Best bosses. Greatest pet peeves. And it was his greatest pet peeve because though it was a great tool. It does not replace all other tools. If he ever saw one of my mechanics working on a truck using that fucking tool. That fella had a weird afternoon. I had a bad fucking day. He would correct the issue in a not so pleasant way. And I would have a bad fucking day. Because that's not the right tool for the job. And in the army, you are responsible for everything your team does and fails to do. Just super unfair. And it sucks a lot. But it makes stupid little things mean something to you. Following that through. Tools have a purpose. This faux John Mayer watch you're wearing has all the purposes. Excuse me. Excuse me, Andrew. This is a limited edition. One of a kind. One of a kind watch clicker. $6,900. Yep. Um, that has limitations. It's okay to have limitations. It's also okay to push the envelope. This has no limitations within reason. No, if you wore that under a tuxedo, I would probably kick you in the shin. You would deserve it. Can we? But that was the whole point of the article was like, wear your shit. But also be reasonable. Can we talk about, oftentimes when we do this, we will send each other three or four of the same articles. This week we did one. We had one article that overlapped. And that was, speaking of John Mayer, Hodinke announced that the third of the three John Mayer 6900 collaborations. Is this a collaboration? These are the Houdinki John Mayer G-Shock watches. They started off with the model 6900, which was a tribute to, I'm not going to remember the reference, but a black, it was a sort of 1980s gray, yellow and blue keyboard. And then after that, they introduced The 6900, the white one, the white one. And now they've done a light blue one, a powder blue one, which is the third of three. They're calling this the PT1. Is it because they don't own the rights to Tiffany? Perhaps. And this is coloring from the PT1 keyboard that was apparently John Mayer's very first keyboard. Um, and I don't think I've been particularly turned on by any of these, uh, which is aroused by this, which is not to say I don't like any of them. I like them all, but they've not made me feel like I needed to flock to them. However, something about the set of these, Um, you know, I think people have a lot of gut, gut check or gut reactions. You know, I, I frankly think John Mayer is a fantastic musician. He plays a lot of really interesting music. He plays with a lot of really interesting bands. Um, he plays with the Grateful Dead, which I just think is one of the coolest fucking things. I think that he is amongst watch people, like one of the most intensely nerdy watch people I can think of, you know, there's a few others, Eric Wind, you know, there are there are people, but here's this guy that just loves watches. He's got more resources than most of us to spend on these watches. But his passion is so great. And he gets an opportunity to work with a company like Kodinky. And he's like, you know what, Let's make $180 G-Shock. In fact, let's make a set of three $180 G-Shocks, put my name on them. And so, you know, there's something about the way that they've approached this project. Which is wholly different than a lot of their other influenced collaborations. This is a guy who, if he existed in the watch space, we would all love. Because of how nerdy he is, because of how much he loves watches, but because he exists generally outside of the watch space, there's some like pumped breaks, bro. What are you doing? It's an interesting feeling about these releases. What was that word? Really? Just how you say it. Okay. Fair. Carry on. I was done. Religious. I honestly, I was like, what, what word was that? Okay. Uh, yeah, no, I, I think you're right. I, I mean, it's, I, I, I really, you know, and the reason they're cool is because John Mayer is cool. No, they're cool because they're, they're well colored G-Shock. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. But there's eight, It's not like these are the only... But they are neat because of what they are, because of John Mayer, because of Hodinkee, and I think they've done a really good job with them. And seeing the three together on top of Hodinkee's post this week, I was like, you know, This is one of my favorite Houdinki collaborations. I'm here for this. I really appreciate what they've done here. I think this is fun. I think it's affordable. I really think it's hard to criticize these meaningfully. It's also reasonable. It's one of the most reasonable colorways that exists within the G-Shock world. Yeah. Right. It's not NASA orange. Right. It's not tactical camouflage. It's light blue. Yeah. And it's a good blue. It's a good blue. It's like a, it's, it's pretty okay. No blue will ever be better than pretty. Okay. Right. We're talking. And in the collaboration world, we see so much outlandish shit. We see people trying to like innovate in the John Mayer collection. We have black, white, blue, This is a dude who understands the confines of watch design and what is reasonable and what's palatable and what is what works. You know, it's a, it's a bit of a unique blue. It's it's powder blue. It's light. It's not Navy. That was the risk they took. They went lighter on the blue and it's still a really reasonable blue. And this is a really interesting collaboration because of who they collaborated with, because the person who understands the space within the collaboration and did multiple iterations and did a reasonable thing, which I think is maybe the most impressive thing was that these are all super reasonable and would otherwise be nondescript G Shock releases. These, could fall into their 10,000 skews. And not stand out. Which makes him super fucking cool. Yeah. He introduced a line in the G Shock. And not a hey, I'm here. Yeah. I like the decision to go with the 6900, too, so it's because it's. Like it doesn't make sense, but it makes perfect sense. It's perfectly baller while simultaneously being socks with like sportivas. Your, your dad who wears like mid-calf white socks in sportiva sandals with cargo shorts will wear this. And so too will Mr. Yao. Right. Right. That's that's it. Right. That's what makes this watch so cool is that it spans. It's totally limitless. Everyone can wear this watch. The New Balance 990. Yes. No one will be exactly cool wearing this watch, but cool people wearing this watch will be cooler for so doing it. One more collaboration. So last week, Um, about a week and a half ago now, uh, well, let's say, let's go back about three weeks. Warn and Wound started dropping hints of a Nevada, Nevada Grenchen collaboration. And I think this has been one of the more hyped Warn and Wound releases that I've seen, which made me think they were excited about it in a way that they've not been excited about ever release about. So it's kind of watching this thing and tracking it. Um, I, I specifically did not reach out to people who I knew would know what this is. Cause I was kind of excited. I was like, I want to see it on drop day. Uh, when I saw the drop of this thing, we're so cool. I was initially a little underwhelmed and I think not because of the watch I don't know, I just saw it and I was like, oh, that's what it is. And it took me actually digging into this thing and kind of figuring out what it was to really appreciate what was going on here. So instead of being one watch, it's actually two watches that were announced by Worn and Wound. One of those is a hyper exclusive, hyper expensive, Chronomaster Valjoux 72. What the fuck? Piece.
Everett How cool.
Andrew 20 pieces, $6,900, which is a lot of fucking money. They found 20 Valjoux 72, sort of like a Wellsboro, a Rich Reichbach type of thing. They found 20 Valjoux 72 movements and restored them. New old stock. With a warranty. They didn't just say, that's right. Hey, this works now. That's right. But they're like, this works now and it will continue to do so. And the voucher 72 being one of the most famous chronograph movements of all time, uh, used by everybody from Rolex in the Daytona to Hoyer. Um, it was the thing to use and a car 20 and OS Omega use these at some point.
Andrew You know, this was a movement, right? Valjoux was the movement maker, and this was the movement. These, they found 20 of these, they fitted them in watches, and these are extremely limited, very cool, pretty expensive. I think that that is a lot of money for what this is. But I don't think it's insane, right? If you want to get one of these, that's what you're going to pay. However, if you want to get a Valjoux 72 in anything else, you're paying more than this. Probably. Even if it doesn't work. That's right. But with that, with that, they did something else. They made a second, a second version of this, a little bit different. They're calling this the Datomaster, which is fit with a SII VK64, a Seiko MechaQuartz movement. These, unlike the Chronomaster, these are $450. They were available for a pre-order window. So I think they were available for three days. And it's gone. You missed the window if you didn't. Anybody who wanted one could get one. Which is a nice thing about using a VK64. You have unlimited availability. That's right. That's right. I think these are pretty fucking cool, man. The colorways are fantastic. Very, heavily saturated. The Datomaster is a, you know, fixed bezel chronograph and the Chronomaster is a turning bezel chronograph, a dive style bezel chronograph. Gosh, man, these are pretty stinking cool. I really like the colors. This, Yeah. It makes me feel good things, positive things, lots of colors, lots of fun details. Uh, these feel a lot like Omega racing chronographs. Um, supposedly these are racing chronograph dials from Nevada's, you know, Nevada being a zombie ran risk, came back to life in 2020. Um, they feel super seventies, eighties, totally Doxa military, like, Certainly that era kind of interesting color combinations. While still being super palatable, we got a black and a teal. The teal is closer to like. Yeah, I think the black is actually like a jade. I think it's a very dark green. I was going to say that the green is closer to a jade. It just needs just a touch more saturation like matte dials. Great color combinations that are really vibrant without being. You know, doxa, orange.
Everett Mm hmm.
Andrew And just cool. Yeah, these are these are pretty neat dome sapphires on these things, so you get cool color refraction. These are neat. I wish I had seven thousand dollars to buy the you could sell your Santos. could. Andrew, anything else you want to talk about? I probably won't sell my Santos for a value 72 with a warranty. Um, I think that's a wise decision.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew No, I'm a lot of things. Well, we're not out of things, but we are a little long in the tooth at this point. We're out of time. I'm certainly not at things. There's several, more things that I intended to talk about that, um, you know, we didn't get to, cause I was busy talking about that Mark Zuckerberg and I'm sorry, this became a, you know, primarily brick watches episode, but I felt like it deserved to be addressed. You want me to talk about it? It's a splash in the watch world. And, and I wanted to opine on said splash. Yeah. I talked about a few weeks ago on wrist cheese radio. I think it was a little, bit more contemporaneous to the thing happening. So I was a little bit more excited. Well, we're not about hot takes. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I was, I was about hot takes that day. Um, Andrew, other things, what do you got? So I, uh, we have, I have an, uh, a group of friends from college and it began five dudes who all lived in a house together. which we called Graceland. We lived in this house and there were people who moved in. It was a six bedroom house with three bathrooms. On hill, great view. No, no, no great view. Am I thinking of the other house? You've been to this house. There's no good view. So this house is designed by a fella who is a contractor. And he said, Hey, I have kids who are about to go to college. I own this piece of property. I'm going to build a house on it so that they don't have to live with me while they're in college. And then I'll make money on it because they and their friends will all pay me rent. So it's six bedrooms, three bathrooms, a kitchen and a living room. There's no living space. The living space is about the size of what would be an owner suite of a bedroom. And then a kitchen. And then it's just the house is all bedrooms. That's it. Lived in this house. Five of us who lived there for many years. We had some roommates come and go, like we would bring a friend in and they would live there for a year and they'd move out, you know, that and the other. But the five of us, we became really good friends. We remain friends to this day. We all got married. All of our wives are friends. So there's this friend group of now 10 people. It's more than that. It's more like 15 or 20 at this point. 12 people, one, two, well no, so 14 people. So two couples got added in at various times. And there's like a billion kids. Yeah, no, it was fine until we started having kids. Everyone has two kids or more. Some people have five kids. We have an annual Friendsmas. Friends Christmas for those of you unfamiliar with mashups. Friendsmas is a everyone brings a thing. And this year I decided to go super. French. I made terrine. I made rillettes. I made pate. And then I did a kind of Italian charcuterie board with, you know, the salamis and sausages. And what I want to talk about is pork sausage terrine. Sounds a little bit intimidating. Because it's foreign. It is effectively. If you take one of any one of your like. Bread pans that exists under your stove to make like. Banana bread and you line that bitch with bacon. You fill it with sausage. You put some sauteed vegetables atop of it. Close the bacon. slices up, you throw it in the oven and you bake it low and slow. Becomes this like magical pork fatty, delicious chunk of sausage. So I used a recipe from food.com. So I've never made it before. I've eaten it a lot of times in various iterations and, you know, from different kitchens. This was killer. I'm going to give you a couple of slices to take home so you can vouch or not vouch for it next week. It's just not smoked, slow cooked sausage and bacon together. So if you low, so you, you alone slow it at like 325 degrees. bacon wrapped sausage with a little bit of a vegetable top. And there's a lot of ways to make this, right? The traditional French way is organ meat and ground meat, wrap it in a chicken skin, stuff it with some pistachios and other bullshit. That's really good. But if you're going to make it at home and you have like an hour and a half and you want to have like a kind of next level appetizer out, this is it. Right? Everyone has bacon and sausage at their house in their freezer at all times. If you don't, you should go grocery shopping because those are just normal acquisitions. The outcome is this super decadent, really fatty pork, delicious slice of meat that is just as good at room temperature as it is hot or cold. I'm going to link it in the show notes. I'm like, I've made pate before, I've made rillettes before and they're both really good. I've never made terrine before. Terrine is a, is a French cooking vessel that's super long and narrow and is what terrine was traditionally made in, which is why terrine became the name for this dish, which is like a, It, it, it's almost like a sausage, you know, like a meatloaf. Yeah. It's really, really close to a meatloaf. I think that's maybe the best description of it, but when you, but you low and slow it, so there's no crispy edges. Everything is just really tender, really juicy, really fatty. Cause you make it all the fat renders out and then you chill it and you press it. So it becomes so, so when you chill it, All the fat reabsorbs back into the meat. You have to scrape a little meat jelly and fat off of the outsides of it prior to service. But when you eat it, it's just like this magical, fatty, delicious pork bun. And for it, I'm going to link it. It's super easy. It sounds intimidating because it's French. French cooking is often needlessly difficult. But if you're looking to like really throw down for Christmas, and this is going to come out two days before Christmas, if you're thinking about something that you want to bring, that's just going to be like, that's some BDE right there. This is it. Yeah. This is the BDE pork sausage terrine. Cause it's also really easy. It's not organ meat. It's not, you don't have to do any grinding. It's just sausage, bacon, some sauteed vegetables, throw it in the oven, chill it. You've got space in your fridge. You have those ingredients. Do some French cooking. Do it. Do it. Andrew, I've got another thing. Do me. I routinely masturbate. And by routinely, I mean. As an addiction. A couple of times a year, I will try to find a new iOS game. Because you know, I've always had this. Yeah. You have the subscription. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's right. And I've always got my phone on me and I like playing games. Uh, I don't play games like I did when I was younger, but I still, it was a funny bone strike. Uh, I still pretty routinely play games. And so I, what I'll do is I'll look up the, Oh, like Google the best iPhone games or whatever. And I'll go through the list. Does anything seem interesting? And I was, I had a moment, uh, this last week and I thought, you know, I need a new iPhone game, something to just kill the time. There's nothing I'm playing right now that I'm really into. And I went through a couple of lists and I just, it was the same stuff I've always seen and just nothing was really calling out to me. However, I came across this game on a few lists and it's a game I've seen a hundred times and it just did not look interesting to me. That's the key. You find it as like number five on two or three lists. Yeah. That's the one. That's right. So, but I've seen this game. It's not a new game. I think it's been out for five years. But I saw it on a new list and they were like, you know, with its continuing updates and patches and, you know, this game has just been really well maintained and it's still as good today as when it came out. Are you talking about Pokemon Go? And it's not Pokemon Go, although I did have flirt with Pokemon Go for a period of time back in 2015, I think. No, so this game is called Stardew Valley. And if you've ever played games in the Harvest Moon series, this is I think what you'd call a farming simulator. That's kind of your jam.
Everett Yeah.
Andrew Well, some games that you could, that are active while you're there, but will passively continue to grow. It doesn't require your constant attention. This isn't passives. There's no passive progress here. So it's all, it's all real time. Uh, or it's all, it's all in game time. It's not real time. Um, and so I, I was like, well, it's five bucks. I'll take a flyer on it. So I downloaded this thing and I have been now for, I think, five days squeezing in 10 to 15 minute, uh, sessions and 45 minutes, you can build an hour. So what I have found is, uh, that this game is just a blast. So I think farming simulator, when I read those words, I was like, what is that? I think what this thing actually is, is an incredibly modern, incredibly multifaceted game that feels, looks, plays like a 1990s, you know, early 90s top-down 2D RPG. That's what it looks like. And in some ways it is that, although it's incredibly incredibly complex. There's a lot going on. Um, there's a ton of different game modes. There's a ton of different mechanics. They're all pretty good. Um, a lot of like timing based sequencing in, you know, the mechanics for the mini games are, but there's like a cave exploration. I mean, it's got all these things that, you know, and love meet someone special. Yeah, there is also a relationship building aspect to this, which is funny. But here I am, you know, five days in, I've got a budding farm. It's fall, so I'm harvesting cranberries. Are you courting Jenny too? No, I'm courting, gosh, what is her name? Hard to say. Oh my gosh, that's how many there are? Emily. Yeah, there are a lot. You dog. Emily is the person's name. So But but that is but it's it's actually in the gameplay. You've got to do this, right? And like, there's one aspect of this. I mean, it's all silly, right? This is 1990s sort of RPG stuff. So is it set in? Oh, gosh, I don't know. Oh, that's actually kind of intriguing. The at some point, though, the mayor loses shorts. He asks you to find them. You find them in the rancher's bedroom. But in order to get into her bedroom, you've got to form a relationship with her. You've got to bring her gifts. How did Todd feel about finding his? Nemesis shorts in his bedroom. So there is a lot going on. It's been really fun. If you're looking for an iOS game, I recommend it. I'm down to spend this. I've enjoyed five dollars worth of this conversation about the game. That's right. Harvest Moon. If, if it's, if you're, if you're one of those people, you download games. I think this has really been fun. Stardew Valley. Stardew Valley. Not Harvest Moon. Stardew Valley. We've done it. We did it. Sorry we talked about bricks so much. You know, Mark Zuckerberg got me fired up. Hey listen, sometimes man, you just got to talk about the thing you need to talk about. Yeah. Like I said, I had already, I had already talked about this. So I feel like I already had a chance to get it out of my system. I didn't get it off my chest yet. It's off my chest. I won't talk about brick watches ever again. Yeah. You, you needed to, you needed to go back in. You needed to revisit the topic, right? It's been visited. I'll probably still watch his Instagram videos of him fucking tantruming, but Yeah, it's been interesting. It's been interesting to watch it. You know, it's been interesting to watch it, especially in the context of releasing Foster really right at the same time. You guys are contemporaries. You should mention him and be like, Hey, Mark, you should maybe chill. And also maybe less pizza reviews. Andrew, would you be okay if I took a moment to thank our sponsors? Can I thank Foster Watches? We sure can. Okay. Hey, this episode of 40 and 20 the Watch Clicker podcast is brought to you by Escapement Media. 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