Episode 211 - Interview With (ahem) Foster Watch Co

Published on Wed, 09 Nov 2022 21:41:48 -0800

Synopsis

This podcast episode features Andrew and Will as the hosts, along with Christian and Everett, the founders of the new watch brand Foster Watches. They discuss the journey of starting Foster Watches, the design process and details of their first watch release, the 11 Atmos Skin Diver, as well as their plans for future watch models. Christian shares his experience as a non-watch enthusiast initially getting involved in the watch world. They also talk about other topics like movies, podcasts, and emulation devices.

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Andrew	Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20, the Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and daddy, the Watch Clicker, Will. Here we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Will, how are you?
Will	I'm good. I had a such a good day because my kids had a good day. They didn't try to kill each other. They laughed more than I think they have in the past month. So it was it was a solid day all around. And this is after they gained an hour of sleep. So I'm going to I'm going to contribute to that.
Andrew	Did did you all do anything special or was it just a good day?
Will	No, we just did dumb stuff like we went shopping. We went out to lunch at a little diner nearby. I mean, nothing special. It's just they were just having a blast. I don't know why, but I'll take it.
Andrew	It's so weird the way like Some days, kids are just totally fine. And then other days, you'd think that you're actively trying to murder them. And there's no difference between those days.
Will	No. If you try to figure out what it was, you'll just go mad. You can't figure it out.
Andrew	Or you'll become a bazillionaire by selling that book.
Will	That's what I need to figure out, because I need to be a bazillionaire. I need to get that new Rolex titanium. Did you hear? They invented titanium this week.
Andrew	They did. The row tie, I think is what we're going to call it, right? What a terrible name. The first picture I saw of it, I was a little bit torn by it. I was like, I think I might like this, but I'm also pretty sure I hate this. It was kind of confusing. I'm still not fully decided on how I feel about that thing. Besides the awesome water resistance.
Will	Yeah, that's okay because, you know, you'll never get one anyway, so don't worry about it.
Andrew	It's so water resistant, you will actually leave the water and enter the Earth's crust if you try to max out your depth.
Will	Yeah, I heard once you get to a certain depth, it actually just starts floating and you just go back up.
Andrew	It just takes you back with it. Yeah. Well, I also had a good day. We had some big old fat, wet snow. So the kids were playing in the rain, in snow clothes, celebrating snow day on what, November the 6th? Is it the 5th or the 6th today? Uh, 6th. Whatever day it is. Yeah, the 6th. And I don't ever remember getting snow here that early. Uh, it's like 35, 36 degrees right now and still kind of fat rain snowing.
Will	It was 75 degrees here today. It's weird.
Unknown	Gross.
Will	Yeah, I'm not a fan. I had flannel on earlier this week. Yeah.
Andrew	Well, that's a gross temperature change. We're finally settled into fall. I think we're getting nice, cool weather, rain. It's what I like. Smells like fall. Chimneys are smoking.
Will	That's good. That's what I like to the the chimney smoke in the neighborhood just makes you feel feel good about life. Maybe that's why the kids were happy.
Andrew	All the chimneys were sputtering when it was 75 degrees.
Will	Yeah, that didn't make any sense, did it?
Unknown	No, that's OK.
Will	Something else. It flowed over from Oregon and it made it here.
Andrew	Yeah, we're still on fire here. So, yeah, we should get into it because we have a unique episode today. And it's not just that you're here. But there's some other people here. I have two guests with me in the studio, the founders, owners, brains behind Foster Watches. I have Christian, who you all haven't met yet, and somebody else who you are familiar with in the way of my usual co-host, Everett. Gentlemen, Everett, how are you? Christian, thank you for joining us.
Christian	Thanks for having me, guys. Great to be here.
Everett	This is so weird.
Andrew	I'm, I'm struggling a little bit. I'm like, I keep looking at you. Like, don't, don't look at him. Don't look at him. It's not gonna, it's not gonna make things better.
Everett	Andrew, I'm doing, I'm doing really well. Thank you for having us.
Andrew	Awesome. We're excited to hear about it, about this brand. Uh, I'm sure many of you are familiar with Foster via a kind of guerrilla social media presence where we're seeing some actual photos, sort of the progression of the release as it's come closer and closer to fruition. So we're excited to be talking about this new brand and get to know primarily you, Christian, because we don't care about Everett. We know enough about him. But hear about this journey of brand starting with nothing, just a pencil drawing. to now I have two watches sitting in front of me and I think you're wearing one.
Will	And I have all three over here.
Andrew	Yeah, they're everywhere. Coast to coast. So, Christian, let's start with you. Let's start. What is up? How are you? How does this happen? How does, like, who are you? What kind of stuff do you do? Be as vague or specific as you like. And then how do we get here to watches sitting in front of us?
Christian	Yeah, I mean, those are the questions. I should start with a disclaimer of my deep sense of imposter syndrome being on this well-loved watch enthusiast show, knowing as little about watches as I do. So we should start there.
Andrew	You know, you're in really good company for people who own a brand who know very little about watches. Yeah, that can confirm.
Everett	Yeah.
Christian	But this story, it starts with t-ball. That's where it starts. I and Everett both have young sons and both decided to play t-ball one year. Has Wes played since then? He has, yeah. He played a season in baseball between now and then. My son Louis, that was his one season. And that's where Everett and I met. And it led to hanging out outside of that. And then led to playing golf out at Laurelwood one day. And then afterwards, just, I found the watch world that Evers evolved in super fascinating and just kept him asking him tons of questions about it. And it was like, well, have you, have you ever thought about making your own watch? And he was like, well, sure. In fact, I know exactly what I would do, but I just haven't had the means to pull it off. And I said, well, let's figure it out. That sounds fun. So that's kind of how it started.
Everett	I concur with that story.
Andrew	Okay. So we're just in a like, let's roll the dice and find out. So what was interesting enough about a watch brand specifically that made you feel comfortable in taking that kind of risk?
Christian	I think It was really more, less about, in terms of thinking through the risk of it, it wasn't so much like, wow, this seems like a really unrisky bet. It was more like, I think Everett seemed like a good bet. And his expertise and his enthusiasm and his, I think, particular vision for the kind of watch that he wanted to launch the brand with. It was all very interesting. And it seemed like a really fun project. So I think I probably didn't spend much time thinking about the risk as much as I should have. That's way more about the fun.
Andrew	Well, that's, that's the thing. And, and Foster is unique. Uh, well not, not unique, but Foster is a little bit different than a lot of the brands we see coming to market and that you're not crowdfunding, you're not doing pre-orders. You guys are, are all in ready to go. Was was that a deliberate choice or was that just that's what made the most sense?
Christian	No, that was a deliberate choice. And that was actually Everett's choice. Again, I don't know. I'm not as familiar with the landscape in terms of the ways that brands are coming to market or launching new watches. And so it makes good sense that people have done crowdfunding and things like that. But I think Everett was very clear. If we're going to do this, that's not how I want to do it. You know, I think he expressed that in his opinion, that doesn't always go well. It can kind of not hurt the brand out of the gate because the kind of problems that can come up and that it would just be a lot more baller to just skip right past that and have a watch available when we launched ready for ordering.
Will	Yeah, that that's one thing that I really liked about what you guys are doing, because I think I've said it on the show before that I do not like preorders, especially lengthy ones. I'd like to be able to order my watch and have it as soon as possible. So I have to commend you for doing that because I know that it takes a lot of capital and planning to get that confidence in your business to, to get that all sorted out logistically. So I have to commend you for that, especially as it's your first watch. Um, but I want to back up for a second Christian, cause I have a question for you. I recently made a new friend. Um, and he asked, you know, like, what do you do, you know, outside of, everything else. Right. And I started talking to him about WatchClicker and taking pictures and all this stuff. And it went down this rabbit hole of the watch culture and, you know, all this crazy stuff. And he just found it mind blowing, you know, that there's Instagram people that exist that just take pictures of watches and there's different strap makers and all that kind of stuff. Right. Did you find that that was something that you experienced, too? Like once ever, it started kind of explaining to you all the nuances of this culture where you were just like, I had no idea this world existed.
Christian	Yeah, I would say, I mean, I think it starts at even higher level than that. I think just not knowing a ton about watches and timepieces before that, just learning about the history of timepieces, learning about movements. I remember at first it was like, just mention the word movement. I'm like, what, what is that like the thing that's inside? Like, what is that?
Andrew	Is that the battery? Yeah.
Christian	Is that where you put the battery? So just like learning about movements and all the complications and all the different ways they're made and the different places they're made. I just found this... It was like this whole world kind of opened up that was just super fascinating, let alone that there's a micro world, right? Where... Which is predominantly people that are taking their own risks, making something because they love it, right? There's not a lot of spaces where that happens and it turns into a commercially viable project, which is super cool.
Everett	You know, um, going down this rabbit hole, you know, creating a brand with Christian has been, I think educational for me in a lot of ways, you know, not just doing the things that need to get done to bring a watch to market, but going, you know, Christian, uh, probably won't brag on himself, but Christian's started, um, brought to success, many companies he's, he's sold companies for huge amounts of profit. Um, He's a successful businessman. And so approaching this in the way that I had learned to approach this by way of my experiences with 40 and 20 and watch clicker, sometimes created tension between Christian. Why would we do that that way? Why wouldn't we do it this way? Well, because I don't know, this is the way people do it. Well, we should think about doing it this way. And there've been efficiencies we found Um, you know, at this point, small efficiencies, but I think moving forward, we're, we're seeing perhaps bigger efficiencies that we might want to take part of. Um, and just having a, a different, um, having a different frame of mind being half of the equation. I think I did this, we've done this differently than I would have done it. Had I just done it by myself, the decision that we made early on not to crowdfund meant, you know, we have to figure out how much everything is going to cost. And, and we didn't, we, we didn't figure it out. You know, there's things that the, the budget has shifted. Yeah. There's things we, you know, weird hadn't anticipated and time, time periods we hadn't anticipated. It took way longer than we thought. I would say. Yeah. So we, my first drawings of the 11 Atmos, I believe are from November of 2020. So which was, a weekend we had gone golfing and, you know, as he said, he was like, do you know what watch? And I'm like, yeah, I know exactly what it looks like in my head. And he was like, well, let's figure it out. And so I went home and made drawings and sent them to Christian. That's two years ago, basically almost exactly right now. And we just now are ready to go to market.
Christian	So in that sense, this business is literally a back of napkin business.
Will	Literally. Yeah, it is.
Christian	That's how this thing started.
Will	So Christian, You said, or Everett said that there were some things where you're like, well, I would have done it this way or vice versa. What do you think was the craziest thing that you saw that would have been something that you would have done differently if it was not in a watch industry?
Christian	I think a lot of the points where we've bumped up back and forth on that have less to do with the things that we've done, but maybe more about the things that we're going to do and how that's going to work. You know, I'm very much focused on like, how do we market this? How do we sell this? And I see it somewhat as a challenge of, you know, we built this for the enthusiast market, but I'm very curious to know, is it going to be viable outside of that? Right? Like, so can it scale big? Can we somehow create a brand that would actually appeal to... I keep thinking of myself as like the primary avatar for this business, right? It's a watch that is attractive enough for somebody who wants a timepiece and has a very cursory knowledge of the watch world, they'll be like, yeah, that's the watch I want to get. Maybe I'll own three watches, but that's going to be one of them. I think, and sort of figure out how is that possible? And what does it look like? And what are the avenues that we can take? But the challenge is always going to be, there's certain things we could do, but if we did them, we risk losing the core market that we're going to launch into, right? And that's been tricky. We've had tons of conversations around that. Um, it's actually reminds me of sort of the first project that I ever did, which was in the academic, I built a online journal in the academic market for, uh, like humanities academics to write in and really wanted to figure out how to monetize it and then realize there's no, like if I monetize it, that it'll die. Like people won't want to write for it anymore.
Will	I think that's something that, Go ahead, Andrew.
Andrew	I think that's a really unique. Positioning for Foster, which I promise we will talk about is is we see a lot of brands that are, you know, two, three, four enthusiasts, just straight enthusiasts or one straight let's capitalize on this market business mind. And this I think the partnership here is going to is is really uniquely positioning. your brand to transcend into both of those worlds. And they all have neck beards. We want those 12 people to buy our watch, but also how do we get their normal friends to buy it also? And that pairing and tempering of each other is, I think, going to be really cool to see this brand grow.
Christian	I just got back two days ago from a week-long mastermind conference in Miami with all these high-level marketers and online business owners. Which, by the way, These are people way out of my league. I'm hanging out in groups of people and I'm looking at people's wrists and I'm like, oh my God, these are all the watches I've seen in magazines and stuff. This is crazy. But a couple of guys were also enthusiasts. And there's this one guy, super sweet guy, he had a different Rolex on every night we were there. And then the last day, we'd been hanging out a whole bunch, the last day he finally sees my watch. I was wearing my prototype. I have the prototype. Everett won't give me one of the real ones. I still have the prototype.
Andrew	He hasn't given me any, if that makes you feel better.
Christian	I think it's a little bit better, yeah. And so I had the orange dial prototype, and I'm just saying goodbye to this guy, and he goes like, oh, wow, look at that. And he's, what is that? And I explain it to him, and he's talking about how... He's like, you know what? My favorite watch that I have is my G-Shock that my dad bought me when I was like 15. And so he's like, I got... And he's like, when my grandpa dies, I don't care about anything else in the state. I just want a Seiko. That's all I want. Right. So he's he kind of gets it. He just also can afford really nice watches. But but we had this conversation about this market and what we're trying to do, because a lot of these guys don't aren't even aware of this. I mean, these guys don't know this market exists. Right. That this this group of enthusiasts that have micro brands. So I say micro brand and they're like kind of confused. But I was saying like, yeah, this because these guys are marketers. Right. So they're used to like buying something relatively cheaply and being able to market it up a lot. And I'm like, the audience that we're launching into is gonna know what the value is of every component in this watch, and they're gonna be like, you guys are full of shit because you priced this by $50 more than it should be. They're gonna know. And so we have to be... To the dollar, what you paid for it.
Unknown	Yeah, exactly. Yeah, forget $50.
Christian	What other marketing world is there where that happens?
Will	Yeah, it's gonna be 50 cents. Yeah, 50 cents over MSRP.
Christian	So that's a huge challenge, right? But again, it's this interesting place where people are doing it. They're having commercially viable businesses selling to people that know the ins and outs of their businesses way more than any other company that's out there.
Everett	And I think there's a thing here. I think that if you can be successful in the enthusiast market, you can shift that. Your margins might be smaller, but if you can find a place in the enthusiast market, then that can be communicated more easily to the bigger picture, right? It's one of those things, it's one of those credibility points that maybe someone doesn't even know it exists, but it will have an effect on our ability to be able to market the watches.
Christian	We've, you know... If nothing else, it's certainly like a very rigorous, you know, quality vetting process.
Everett	Yeah. We've spent two years having these conversations at this point. And I think we're, for the first time, really comfortable where we are moving forward. You know, there's a lot that needs to happen before we're really comfortable with where we're at. But I think we're, for the first time, really comfortable on where we go from here.
Will	So if we could maybe shift a little bit and talk a little bit about the watch for, you know, people who aren't familiar with it. And I'd love to hear, especially Everett, because you've had this in your mind for so long and to see it come to fruition. Maybe some of the details. I'll just talk the listeners through a little bit about the watch, and then you can you can expand on this. But some of the details that you had in your mind, did they come out the way you wanted them to? or did you improve upon things as you were prototyping and all that kind of good stuff. Um, so for anybody who's not familiar with this watch, uh, go check it out on Instagram first of all, but it's a skin diver and it's, I don't want to say vintage inspired because I feel that term is a little overused, but it's an aesthetic you guys are going for. I think for, or I think, right. Um, you know, minimal texts on the dial, high contrast dial, a really nice bezel, which we'll talk about. And that, that case that kind of, if you look at it from the top, it looks a little flat, but it's not, it's got a really nice curve to it and it hugs the wrist nicely. Uh, and the Everett, I said this to you about the bracelet. It's, it's not jingly jangle. It's got a little flex to it, but it's solid. So, I mean, in a nutshell that that's what you're getting with this watch. So the first thing I'd like to know is, Was there something that you had in your mind that you couldn't do just because of technical limitations or you know anything like that?
Everett	Yeah, well So first I'd like to give a little bit of credit to my friend our friend Bo at aggressive timing habits on on Instagram social media, you know, he's written for two broke watch snobs I mean, he's just a he's just a dude he's been in the space for forever and he's been a close friend of 40 and 20 for since just about the beginning. I talked to Bo a lot, and this watch sort of gelled during a conversation with Bo, or at least the opening pitch for this watch, but it's not the watch that we have here. I was talking about wanting to get a 70s, late 60s, early 70s style skin diver. So if you can imagine the department store, you know, Montgomery Ward or Sears, you know, the skin diver that would have been in the jewelry counter in 1969, including several things, I wanted to have a folded bracelet, stamped clasp, hollow end links, you know, these trappings of yesteryear, wonderful watches, but with a different quality of manufacture. And so when we initially pitched this idea, that was the pitch, right? So try to get something extremely inexpensively made that you could put into people's hands, a high quality modern watch, but with these vestigial things that I think people would think were downgrades today. Things that I kind of like, you know, I love those old bracelets quickly became apparent talking to OEMs that, you know, their A is zero cost savings because nobody does this anymore. So you're going to have to find manufacturers who do this. And so at those quantities, you know, you're going to wind up spending almost the same amount of money, which means you have to sell it for the same amount of money. So we're talking about a hollow in link. Make it worse. Folded bracelet. uh, for, you know, 450 bucks probably. Right. And, and, and at some point it just didn't make sense. And so then we kind of backed up, we sort of hit the drawing board and say, okay, well let's do this. Then let's do this right. Let's make a totally modern watch, but still do all the things, still do all the things we want. So the, from the get go, this watch was titled the 11 at most skin diver. And, and that, that made it through today. In terms of the aesthetic, top down, this watch is exactly that watch that we designed without any differences. We had considered a Bakelite bezel. This, as you know well, and as you folks at home will be able to see, is a one-piece stainless steel PVD-coated bezel with painted numerals. Not Bakelite, which Bakelite would have been rad, Also, just what didn't didn't work for us.
Andrew	You lose the the feel of the reimagining of that 1969 jewelry counter. You suddenly become not like this cutting edge, super accessible thing, but you get pushing into like actual like expensive cool shit.
Everett	Yeah, that's right. Well, and Bakelite, that's actually a common material on watches that had the same aesthetic from the 70s. You know, you see them sometimes and they're all worn down and rubbed to shit. But frankly, that didn't work. And so this is a stainless steel. I mean, the only material or finishing decision on this watch that is perhaps not totally modern, we did maintain that acrylic crystal. And that was super important to me. And I think Christian, being a Laurier owner, someone who's really into Laurier's watches and what they're doing, he got that. That was the nice thing from the beginning. He was like, yeah, I have this Laurier. I get it. I know what I kind of know. how you do that thing that you're talking about. And so there was no disagreement there. We were both like, yeah, acrylic is the way to go.
Will	Everett, if I could interrupt you on the on the acrylic crystal. Please. Yeah. I don't think it's a secret that people will start seeing photographs of this watch that I have taken. And one thing I remember messaging you. Yeah. One thing I remember messaging you was. The the light the way that it hits this crystal is so good with this dial. It just looks awesome. And it's, it's something you lose when you use Sapphire and yeah, sure. Sapphire is great. You know, it scratch resistant, all that kind of good stuff. And it's a superior material in so many ways. Sure, exactly. But I think brands like Laurier have proven that there is a place for acrylic and that it looks really good when it's used the right way. Um, so it, you know, if, if someone's listening to this show and they're like, oh, I hate acrylic crystal, I mean, go, go out and look at something that has it, go look at a speed master. If you can find one. Um, and you'll see why it looks good.
Andrew	Acrylic crystal is the heart of a watch, right? When, no, no. So if you put Sapphire in this watch, you lose. all the coolness of this watch. I think a lot of it. Yep. Watches that have good acrylic execution are built around acrylic. It's not, that wasn't like an afterthought. It wasn't, Oh, we're going to go with acrylic just for, because it's this watch is designed because it's going to have an acrylic crystal. The entire design language is around being enhanced by being seen through acrylic, right?
Everett	Right. You know, I do. I do love the way the dial looks in. You know, I've seen obviously all of your pictures at this point, Will, and or at least your first set of pictures. And it looks really stunning. And I think a lot of that is attributable to to that crystal. You know, you get that kind of bend on the side and it pushes the light in just such a pleasant way. Yeah, I'm a huge fan and I love the way it feels. And yeah, I'm a huge fan.
Will	And you can polish it.
Unknown	That's right.
Everett	You don't have to lick it clean. Yeah. A cynic might say you have to polish it, but yeah, that's right. You can, if you need to. Yeah. So, you know, the, the watch kind of is what it is, right? We, we, we had some sort of design aesthetics that I think we were going after. Um, you know, I really love a Japanese dive watch and, um, Anybody who's been in the watch world for even a little while will see some of those cues, you know, our markers, everything. We drew this whole thing, but some of these markers, these markers feel very Japanese to me, maybe even a little bit Seiko-ish. Our technical, our original technical notes for the renders on our bracelet say, you know, in Parenzi 199. So there are some, there are some aesthetics that we went for here that harken back to other things. But at the end of the day, everything's, everything's ours. You know, we, we went back and forth with our original render drawer, uh, like three times on the proportions of the links on this, what I'm going to call a Jubilee bracelet. Cause I think that's what people will call it.
Andrew	Um,
Everett	You know, I want the middle links to be a little bit wider and the outside links to be narrower. You know, we just knew kind of what it was supposed to look like. And we kept refining it until it looked the way we thought it was supposed to look.
Will	Did you have, did you have trepidation in saying those that like, we want the links to be these dimensions and that dimensions? to where you were like, are we making the right decision to when you get a prototype? Because you have to put money into that to get the prototype. What was your thought process there? Were you not holding back? Like, we just got to go for it? Or were you like, all right, if we need to prototype a couple times, let's just do it if we need to?
Everett	What do you think, Christian? Maybe I have you add to that.
Christian	I felt like we were pretty direct with what we wanted right out of the gate. And then we got the prototype. It was pretty, we did one prototype really. And then there was a couple of minor tweaks that we never re-prototype for. Yeah. We just had them change. Like the, you know, it was the end link piece and things like that. But it was like, it was, we got most of the changes done in one set, uh, between the first prototype and now the production model. So yeah, I feel like you were, both of us were like, this is what we want. It's this.
Everett	You know, we've been super fortunate to work with really great people, you know, doing what Andrew and I have been doing now for four years or so. I've met so many great people. Derek, aka Chico Lebrons from EMG, was with us from the very get-go on our renders and really helped us understand, you know, this is what needs to happen in your drawings. We hooked up pretty early with the Swiss watch company guys and talk to them. And ultimately, we've worked with a number of brands, including our OEM, and just had a fantastic experience in terms of advice, feedback. You know, here's what might happen if you do things that way. And so I think that part of our success in terms of getting a product that was the way we wanted was having folks around us that were able to educate us on what might work and what might not. And then ultimately being confident to say, no, this isn't right. You know, there, there was only one, there was only one issue that happened the whole entire production. And that was an issue with the M-Link. And when we got our production prototypes, the end links came in and they just weren't right. And I told, I said, Christian, this isn't right. And, um, I think you were kind of like, I don't see, I don't think, I don't agree with you ever, but I think they're fine. And I think I had kind of a similar conversation with Andrew. I said, this isn't right. And he said, okay, well you should get it right. But I'm not seeing what you're saying.
Andrew	I saw it, but I also, I didn't have the same heartburn over it.
Will	Cause it's not my watch. Yeah. The same investment in it.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	We went back to the OEM and I said, this isn't going to work. You know, we need to make this better. In fact, I picked up a phone and I said, you know, what can we do here? How can we figure this out? And in their defense, those guys were so good and they went back to the factory and they pushed them and we got a product, an end product that's fantastic. So working with good people, relying on your sources, Trusting people, but not trusting people so much that you change the things you're doing. Finding that balance between what you want and what other people are telling you is right. I think we've just had a great opportunity and great support systems and we're able to put together a watch that I know we're both really proud of.
Andrew	Christian, I have a question for you about that whole process. So Everett is intimately familiar with that process, independent of of being a watch brand owner, like knows that back and forth struggle, knows those little tweaks. What was like your experience going through that of finding the things that you wanted to fight over and what were the things that you were like, I don't see it. Whereas ever it's like, no, this is fucking disaster. Like table flipping kind of, this is not what I want. This is not the thing. You're not doing it right. I'm wondering how that balance is because Everett and I have been seeing that with brands for a long time. He knows you can push on these OEMs. What was your experience from a non-watch enthusiast, uninformed kind of going into it?
Christian	Yeah, that's a good question. First of all, we have multiple little challenges or struggles, not the way we're, but like tug and pulls, you know, of, of things that we've, we've already kind of alluded on the marketing end. But, um, um, part of it is like, you know, there's part of me that wants to be way more in the background on this and just be like, I'm helping you do your project. And that's been a struggle. He's like, no, we're partners on this. Um, like if we go to an event, you have to come. And if like, we're doing things, we're doing it together. Um, And so I was, cause I'm just, you know, like starting off saying I have imposter syndrome. It's like, I don't usually the one that knows this stuff, not me. Like why? But to his credit, um, not only has he said, we're not going to do that, but he's actually meant it. And there's been elements where, you know, I'll just, as I'm looking at watches and kind of learning about all this world, be like, I kind of like this element of this design. And he'll be like, huh, I don't know. He does this nice thing where he won't just come out and say, like, that's a terrible idea. He'll kind of be like, oh, that's interesting. And then, but then come back and say, like, actually, I thought about that. And that's a good idea. I think we should do that. And so there's a couple pieces of this, I think, that I've had my hands on that feel good to look at that and felt like, and not only that it got included, but that, like, everyone thought it was a good idea to include it. And there's reasons behind it. So not just a Not just an acquiescence to like, well, we got to make Christian happy, so let him put the thing in there, right? It's not like that.
Andrew	You didn't fight for the 11 in the 11 o'clock marker, and I really wish one of you had.
Christian	I did not. In fact, I was like, that seems a little gimmicky. And then he finally was like, yeah, we'll move it.
Andrew	That was on the original drawings. I do expect one custom dial.
Christian	With the 11?
Everett	Yeah. We'll probably do a limited edition at some point. For folks, if you know, you know, uh, there was an original drawing that had an 11 on the 11 o'clock marker. And in my mind, it's an awesome thing, but the masses spoke confidently enough that we did pull it.
Christian	Yeah. But I was, in terms of working with all the different partners, first of all, I mean, that's, that was the main draw to this, right? Not just, Hey, here's my friend. Who's got an idea he's passionate about, but it's like, no, Everett knows, the people, right? He knows the way to get connected to all the people and who we should turn to for help. So he's been, you know, the guide for our team on where to go and who to talk to and have found great partners for us to work with. And I still, I was thinking as you're talking about it earlier, Everett, the process, the thing that was most fascinating to me, and I feel like, and I don't know how to quite capture the synergy involved in this, but to go from your two dimensional pencil drawings to a 3D render was incredible. Right. I mean, as Will noted earlier, from head on, this just looks flat, right? And the subtleness of the curvatures, that somehow that got captured without having to go back and forth and back and forth and back and forth on that to kind of get it right off the bat was pretty impressive.
Andrew	Can we talk about that case curve too? Yeah. Yeah. I was a unique, a unique design element that I think is that we really need to talk about today.
Everett	You know, we, Andrew, you and I have talked to 150, maybe a hundred different brand owners on this show about what went into their design. Uh, and some of those, I think we're designing watches based on what they knew. Some of them were designing based watches based on what they wanted. I kind of did a little bit of both when I was drawing this out. But at some point, I'm not a watch designer, right? I do not have... You are, actually. I am literally a watch designer, but I don't have a background in watch design. I don't have any sort of traditional training in watches. And so there were things that I wanted to do that I just knew or thought very confidently would work. And so I drew them that way. first OEM that we hired. We had at least tentatively hired an OEM and it was like almost instantly that we started getting pushback. We started getting pushback on our crystal. We started getting pushback on the shape of the case and little things that I thought this pushback isn't it doesn't make sense. Like I appreciate that you're, you're pushing back on things, but you're pushing back on things in a way. I know, I know your pushback's not real. I know that these things can be done, at least some of them. So I don't have any confidence in you. And we fired them and we went and interviewed two other companies and both of them were fantastic by the way. And it was a really hard decision and ultimately hired a company and they were just instantly like, yeah, we can do all of that. Your case looks rad. We can do that. Um, you know, and it was just a matter of a 90 degree, uh, and a zero degree drawing. And just those two drawings were being, were able to be turned into a 3d model. We just got, we didn't even expect it. We got to text one day or a WhatsApp message. And it's got like this file in it. You open it up and you can move the watch around in, you know, three dimensions and it was like, wow, shit, sorcery. We did, we look what we did.
Will	Yeah, it was awesome. So, so I have a, I have a question about that. So were there anything, were there things that you wanted to do that were technically not possible? Because I know when I review watches, sometimes I will criticize a brand and say they could make this thinner. And I'm sure they read the review and say, I hate you because I know that that is not possible. Were there any things that you ran into like that, where it just wasn't possible? You had to adjust what you needed to do?
Everett	No, I don't think so. I mean, the answer is yes. And I'm going to give you a quick anecdote. But at the end of the day, look at brands like Chopard. You know, look at these brands that do magic things. The answer is no. There's nothing that we couldn't do. The question is, how much money is it going to cost? And once you've done those things, are you still giving the people who are going to buy this watch a value? If this is a $4,000 watch, does anybody buy it? I think the answer is no. And so it's balancing those things. There was one thing that our current OEM was like, we can't do this. We need to think about something else. So this was drawn up as a one piece bezel. And when we first sent our tech drawings in, we got feedback that the factory would not warranty QC on a one piece bezel because we have a 48 click bezel. So it was specified at 48 clicks and they say you either have to... Which I want to talk about in a second. We'll come back. You either have to increase the amount of clicks. Or you need to do an insert because at 48 clicks, the margin of error is too high. So at 60 clicks, that's our minimum margin of error. And even then we're going to burn some money on that. And we're going to charge you a little bit extra for it. 120 clicks is easy. You can do one, one piece, 120 clicks all day long because each click is so small that if it's off a little bit, you're fine. Right. As, as we all know with Seiko,
Andrew	But they don't even care if it's off a little bit. They can just, they can go off a lot and they're fine.
Everett	With 48 clicks, with 48 clicks, you have a huge amount of margin of error. And they were like, we're not going to be, so we made the decision for our initial prototypes and we've got pictures of these to do an insert. And between the time that we got our initial prototypes and the time we went back, our OEM found tech to do, found engineering to do this one piece bezel with 48 clicks. It's got like a movable ball bearing, right? So you it's got a ball bearing component that you can reset at different locations based on how much you're off. So if you're off a degree and a half or three degrees or whatever, you you figure out where you need to move it to, which means nothing to the consumer.
Andrew	That's purely a like a brand and above level issue to deal with.
Everett	What it means to the consumer is you're going to it's cheaper.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	Because we're not having all these QC errors and your bezel is going to be aligned. Your bezel is going to be aligned. That's what it means. Yes.
Will	You guys solved Seiko's problem. For them. For them. Pretty soon Seiko will be aligned. Be the change you want to see in the world. You guys did it.
Everett	So that was an issue, right? That was an issue. We didn't think we were going to be able to do it. We had made the decision and ROEM came back to us and was like, we think we got this solved. And in fairness, we're good. We've got a one piece bezel. This is exactly what we wanted and problem solved. So, but we thought we were going to have to compromise on that.
Will	So I want to talk about the 48 clicks because not, not so much because you're doing a 12 hour bezel that it's unusual. I think it's more unusual in all of watches, right? You usually see 120, um, or 60. GMT sometimes you'll see the 48 or what are they, 72 sometimes, something like that.
Everett	I think Monte does a 48, right?
Will	Yeah. What made you land on the 48?
Everett	Christian shrugs his shoulders at me. Frankly, I just think it's cool. You know, people have asked, like, does this do anything? I mean, you know, when we talk about 120 clicks or 60 clicks or, you know, bezels, like there's always a reason, right? This accomplishes this goal that's really inapposite in daily wear. For me, I just wanted to have four clicks to an hour. So this is a dual time, right? It's a 12-hour bezel, meaning it functions as a dual time. And I am able to, you know, when I traveled to New York, I think we stopped in Vegas or is that for Denver, Seattle, Seattle, Seattle, whatever. At some point I needed to move this thing an hour and I, and I demonstrated to Andrew, I was like, look at this. I can just go one, two, three, four and moved it back. And it was, it had moved an hour, right? It, and you could do that with different, you know, obviously you could do that with a 60 or whatever, but having that four clicks is just such a sharp and fun and tactile experience. It doesn't do anything, right? But it's fun.
Andrew	I like the way it feels. I think I disagree. I think fewer clicks is more better. And the reason I think that is, 120 clicks, you can't count your clicks. You must be looking at your watch to accurately adjust your bezel, which is problematic when you're thinking about setting timing that you really need. And I think a dive timer, right? If you have to look at your watch to set your timer, that's a little bit problematic, but with a 60 click and a 48 click, you know exactly how many clicks you need to feel to get your timer set. And it's bi-directional. So if you overgo, if you push one, I can go all the way around again and risk an extra 13 instead of 12 clicks.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	So that that tactile feedback with that wider range of motion, every click locks firmly into place. It takes some ass to move it into the next position. It's not going to happen on accident. And you can accurately count your your rotations. Yeah. So I would like to.
Everett	And it looks cool.
Will	It does. And I would like to I'm hoping this comes through good on the audio, because I want to spin this bezel, and I'm wearing the Pelagos 39, which is the best 60 click bezel I've ever used. I want to spin them back to back, because this is really good on the Foster. Alright, so I'm going to do the Foster first. I'm going back and forth. And here's the Pelagos.
Everett	It sounds super flimsy.
Will	It does, right? It sounds like it's going to fall off. Um, but I, I think you guys did a good job in, and I think it's because Christian, I'm not discounting you at all. Please don't take it this way, but I think it's because Everett has been in this world so long that he knows the things that he's, he's like, I, hate that about what, you know, these watches and you know, I want, I would do it this way if I had my own brand and now he's doing it because he has his own brand with you, Christian. Um, you know, it's, I think that's the reason why that, you know, we're talking through some of this stuff and yes, Everett, you're our friend and coworker and all this kind of stuff, but it's a objectively good watch for the reasons that we've been laying out, you know, throughout this, this interview, um, you know, and, I, I like those things like a really good bezel that isn't 120 click because I'm not a diver. I find 120 click bezels absolutely useless. I want 60 clicks or less. And I like something like this. That's a little bit different. It's 48. It's fun.
Andrew	Well, and it's kind of a technological achievement. Like something cool happened here. Nobody who buys this watch is going to care. Nobody cares. But they should care because this the and I'm going to take the time to talk about it because you didn't when you're talking about the case. This is a curved case back with a depression to or it's not a curved case back. It's a flat case back with a recessed cut into the case to allow for the case curvature to keep this case very thin. And we're not the only ones that you're not the only ones doing that. But this has a 48 48-click bi-directional bezel that required a technological achievement to make it possible. There's a lot of cool things packed into this affordable watch.
Everett	In fairness, that wasn't our engineering. That's somebody else's engineering.
Andrew	You didn't pioneer this. I understand that, and I'm not going to give you credit for pioneering it. I am going to give you credit for incorporating it into this watch. This is stuff available to everyone, and not everyone's doing it.
Everett	Correct. I do think it's I do think it's important to kind of step back here because this watch is, um, I'm so happy with it, right? I've been wearing it. It's like the watch that I want to wear all the time. It's like my baby, right? So you want to spend time with your kids and you want to wear your own watch. Uh, and so that's, that's happening, but still I just really enjoy it. But I think it's important to note kind of the tongue and cheek. aspect of this watch from the get-go. I mean, the name is tongue-in-cheek. For those who haven't picked up on the name 11 Atmos, that is a reference to Andrew and Everett's... Don't refer to yourself in a third person. Andrew and my objective watch ratings, right? Where you get 10 points for every 10 meters of water resistance up to 100, and then one for anything else, right? So anything north and anything, anything extra south, anything additional. Uh, so we, we named this watch the 11 at most before we had drawn it or anything, because you know, the idea is this has got what you need and nothing extra. I do believe in, in our OEM and factory has confirmed this could be water resistance approved to much less screw down crown. It's got a pretty bulky case. Deeper, much deeper, not less water resistance.
Will	Yeah, you mean more?
Everett	Yeah, yeah, more, more.
Andrew	So we could easily... One meter of water resistance on this skin diver.
Will	We could easily have... If it is humid outside, it falls apart.
Everett	We could easily have this marked 150 meters, perhaps more, right? So we haven't tested it because there's no need to. We wanted it to be a watch that gives you what you need and doesn't make a show of doing, you know, this isn't a 10,000 meter watch. It's not a 300 meter watch. It's not even a 200, it's 11. It's 11. We turned it up to 11 and then we stopped turning.
Andrew	There will be a watch clicker and 40 and 20 swag sent to anyone who puts us in a pressure chamber to test it.
Everett	That's true. We can promise.
Andrew	I can't promise Foster swag, but I can promise a watch clicker swag.
Christian	We should have come up with that tagline though. Foster, you could always do a little less.
Unknown	I know what you'd do for a living right now.
Everett	I think we can still use that. So, I mean, this watch isn't supposed to be serious. It's not supposed to be technical. It's not supposed to be an engineering marvel. It's supposed to be a watch that's fun, enjoyable, sexy, and just cool, right? This is an enthusiast watch in a lot of ways, but it also eschews a lot of the things that we see in quote-unquote hypey enthusiast watches deliberately, right? We've eschewed water resistance. You know, you're not going to see any specs written on here. It doesn't even say 316L anywhere on this. Is it 316L? But it 100% is. Oh my gosh.
Andrew	316L. It says Everett made at the six o'clock. Is this just on the prototypes or is that on the production models? It doesn't say that, I want to be super clear.
Everett	There were things we wanted and you get in the weeds on things, but at the end of the day, we just wanted to make a cool, sexy, wearable watch that wasn't going to take itself too seriously. But also, if you want to take it seriously, it's there for it.
Andrew	Okay, so let's now talk about the watch.
Everett	I thought we did that.
Andrew	Finally. What's it coming with? If people are going to buy a 11 Atmos, what are they going to get? Are they going to get just a watch and an envelope wrapped in a clean sock? What's it looking like? Dirty sock.
Christian	Actually, that's not a bad idea.
Everett	There's something there. As of right now, we still haven't confirmed that we're going to have packaging ever.
Christian	We have to. Actually, I feel like this is one area where I had more of a hand to feel kind of good about it. I'm kind of excited about our packaging. I think it's going to look really cool.
Everett	We did work really hard on our packaging. It is the last piece. So we've got... So we can't launch until the packaging arrives. We've got watches, we've got straps.
Andrew	I know you have watches. You have boxes of them sitting by your front door.
Everett	Every single one of these is going to come on a bracelet and it will come with an FKM, like a tropic style rubber strap. These straps are not anything crazy, right? We literally wrote Julong on Alibaba, the company that you know and love, and said, hey, we love your FKM straps. Can you guys sign these, brand these for us? And they were like, hell yeah, we can. And so we've got straps that have been signed, but these are players, right? Everybody knows these straps are good. And companies buy straps from them and sell them for $35, $40. And we might, we might do that ourselves. Uh, but every single one of these come with a bracelet, come with a strap, it'll come in a box. It's a paper box. They're really sexy. It was way harder than either one of us expected to get a box made for this thing.
Christian	No, but I feel like the pack, I want to talk about this a little bit. I'm excited about the packaging and here's why, because we haven't talked about this much either about the kind of, you know, the vibe of the brand, right? You know, the, we, we, you know, most brands land in some kind of different archetype that kind of appeals to people. And most watch companies are in a similar one. It's like, you know, like the King, the luxury, everybody's going for luxury and cool. And we were like, we're just going to not take ourselves that seriously. Right. We want to be like the every man watch. So it's like, it's a, it's a handsome watch, but it's fun and playful. So we want a packaging that looks cool. It's not, it's not just going to come a sock or like, And just even like a basic leather pouch or something like that. We wanted to have it in a nice presentation, but it's like cardboard. Well, like hard cardboard, like paper cardboard. But it looks cool. It looks sleek, but it's simple. It kind of says both at the same time. So that's... Yeah. And so the straps, it's coming with a black strap, but I think eventually we'll venture into other colors as well.
Everett	Yeah, we had played with a couple different color prototypes, and ultimately in the end of the day, we thought for this first watch, the black is going to work.
Andrew	What are we looking at colorways for the dial on initial release?
Everett	Initial release, we've got a black, we've got a green, and we've got orange. And I think all three colors are, those words are deceiving. The black is actually a fairly dark charcoal. It's not jet black. And it plays really well in the light.
Andrew	Because of the acrylic.
Everett	That's right. Yeah. The green is sort of like a hunter green, if you think like 90s Oregon ducks green. And the color we were able to find for this is fantastic. It's got just a touch of shimmer, almost like a pearl to it. Super joey. Yes. Super Joe Harrington on the, and the orange, you know, we've, we've played with a couple of different names. I think we're probably going to settle on orange, but blood orange.
Andrew	You guys could hire out Seiko maybe for some naming conventions for your colors.
Unknown	That was the last item on the agenda. We were pretty tired by that point. Blood orange has been floated.
Will	I was inspired by the color of my eye when I was drunk and trying to see what color I could see.
Andrew	That'd be a cool colorway, a blue with kind of like red bloodshot through it.
Everett	Yeah. That's actually what Tudor did. They've got those red flecks. The blue is pretty okay. The blue is okay. Yeah. So it's kind of a red orange and same thing with the orange. There's just a touch of pearl in that. And I mean, it's really subtle. Will can confirm. It's almost not there. And in fact, sometimes it's not there. And then every once in a while you'll be like, Oh, Oh.
Will	I didn't notice it until it was under macro, but that was in all studio lighting.
Everett	I took one of them outside and I was like, oh yeah, that looks good. Three colors. I have a feeling that the orange is going to go pretty fast. I think the green may also go pretty quick. I think we're going to have the charcoal or the black the longest. Uh, but we'll see, you know, we, we may have these for, we may have these for 36 hours. We may have them for a few weeks. We may have them for longer. We don't, we don't know. We've got our hopes and dreams.
Andrew	Are you guys comfortable discussing how many of each are available?
Everett	Yeah. Okay. Totally. We made 300 watches. So 200 black, 50 green, 50 orange.
Andrew	Okay. So get them while they're hot. Yeah.
Will	If I was going to get one, and this would be very shocking to Mike, our former senior writer, I would get the green. And now fuck WAD.
Everett	Damn it, Mike. The greens, I think the greens a sleeper. I actually, when we, we were originally going to do black and gray and we played with two different grays.
Andrew	I really liked both your gray prototypes. Did you really? I really liked them, but I'm also the most boring person you know.
Christian	Well, I just felt like the first one looked
Andrew	It was a little purple and I liked that, but I'm again, the most, the most boring person, you know.
Christian	No, that's actually, that's my favorite watch right there.
Everett	Andrew is wearing his new Santos, which we haven't talked about. I'm hosting it. I realized at this point and I'll stop.
Andrew	But yeah, I, uh, last week my, uh, I, I got my, uh, Santos acquisition in the mail and I buckled it up when I was driving home from FedEx and then I put it on. Well, we can talk about it maybe next week.
Will	But you could you can make it your other thing for this week. I think we can make that. OK, I'll approve.
Andrew	I have a I have a I have a different other thing that I'm I'm actually pretty pleased with. So here we are. That's it first. So Foster watches the name. What what's with Foster? Neither of you are last name to Foster. Neither of you are Foster.
Everett	What's what's that about? Foster is a street in Portland. Foster is a street in Portland. It's a street that both Christian and I are from Portland. We both got, um, our roots in Portland. Um, and, and Foster is this street on the East side of Portland and it actually starts pretty far out. So it's deep. Foster's a, yeah. Foster's deep Portland and it, it doesn't, it doesn't follow the grid. Portland, the East side of Portland is more or less a grid and Foster road is from, It's very beginning a diagonal street, so it doesn't follow the grid. It kind of does its own thing. It is incredibly multicultural. It's like, um, you know, increasingly got some hipster neighborhoods, but there's in the nineties though, it's blue collar, very blue collar. There are great trades. There are, there are breweries, there are markets, there are furniture stores, there are taxidermists. It is shootings and shootings.
Andrew	You just don't know what's going to happen on Foster Road.
Everett	But in some, in some ways, Foster really, that neighborhood really made me who I am today. And, um, when we were talking about brand names and just, you know, the kind of things that you look at, I was like, you know, it sounds good. it's going to look good. It's a, you know, we're going to be able to write it out. It's going to look nice. And it's just feels like such an important part of who I am and how I got here. And Christian was like, yeah, I feel it.
Andrew	Um, I'm glad you considered that. And I know you would consider that what the brand name is going to look like in font on the dial of a watch. There's a lot of brands out there that didn't consider that. Oh, or they maybe considered it after the fact then like, Oh fuck, how do we make this look good? We'll put a logo on. Or or something. But the consideration, I think, speaks to the I mean, the true heart behind the design, that everything here was really painstakingly deliberate. So if you don't like it, you inherently don't like the person who designed it. There was there was no like there was no, ah, this works. It was it was all very, very.
Will	I don't know, Andrew. Everything from what Everett described about Foster Road or street, whatever it was. It sounds like it would just be a sub homage. I'm not sure how you guys arrived at this.
Andrew	I don't think you're wrong, Will. I definitely don't think you're wrong.
Everett	It's more of an Invicta, one of the big pearlescent Invictas, to be honest.
Andrew	Foster is engraved on the side of the case. Deep too, almost to the movement, so you're not going to be able to buff that shit out.
Everett	Yeah, so that's that's the story of foster. And I think it's just, yeah, I think it's just one of those things that once we knew we knew and that's what it's been.
Andrew	Okay, where do people find you? Besides Instagram?
Everett	So, Instagram at foster watch code, that's probably the best way to find us right now. We've also got a website foster watches.com. We're deliberately restrained in our launch of the website. But I think in the next probably seven days or so, we're going to have some product information on there, when they're going to be released, the pricing, and we know all of that stuff right now. So we're thinking November 25th is going to be our launch date. Ooh. $500. is gonna be our price? Like no cents, just 500 money. $500.00. Package shipped to your front door. Yeah, so we haven't... So there may be a shipping cost, we don't know that for sure. Okay, that's why I'm asking. $500 for the watch. And yeah, that's where we're at. So in the next week or so, fosterwatches.com.
Andrew	Okay. And will there be Linktree 2 Only fans?
Christian	Everyone's the only one with an OnlyFans account between the two of us.
Everett	Yeah. We're still working on, you know, incorporation and synergy there.
Will	Christian, that was so fast that I believe it.
Andrew	Yeah. It was fast enough that it seemed like a quick defense mechanism. Like, no, I don't want you on there. Not me. Yeah. Okay. Anything else? I mean, the floor is... Oh, I have something I want to throw out. I have a question for Everett.
Christian	Some of the conversations we've had that were interesting to me about this and the design elements was I remember a couple of different points. You're like, we're going to do this. We're going to do that. And people are going to hate it. You should talk about those moments. What are the design elements in here that you felt like were risky and that you felt like, I know that there's people that are going to push back on this and not like it?
Everett	Yeah. Well, I think the most obvious one is the acrylic crystal. And we've already talked about that a little bit. Some people aren't going to like that. And for good reasons, right? Yeah, super valid reasons. A sapphire crystal is, you know, a modern Marvel and there's, there's a lot of good about a sapphire crystal. There's something about having that on your, on your watch. You're not going to need to mess with it. You can bash it into the door. Uh, and it's fine. It's fine. It is a fantastic material. Uh, so that's the first one, right? We, we made that decision. That was a decision. Um, The other one, like the handset. So we went with a, you know, completely custom handset, right? We, these aren't off the shelf. I feel that's not a salesy. I think that's a salesy thing to say, but I don't mean it like that. We picked these hands. Uh, these were the hands, drew them literally. Um, and so this is what I'd call a baton handset with a stoplight secondhand. Um, Stoplight second hands, obviously something Seiko is very famous for. This is a Seiko homage within a non-homage watch. It's my favorite type of second hand.
Andrew	It's gorgeous.
Everett	With no balance. With no balance. It's gorgeous. It's self-balancing. And these baton hands, you know, these are not typical hands, but what they are is Very 70s feeling to me. They're nice hands. These are not the nicest hands in the world. Nice hands cost a lot of money. If you want a $500 watch with nice hands, you're really struggling.
Andrew	It'll come with no movement.
Everett	But they're very good. They're very good. We got these. And I thought these are better than I expected them to be. They've got, they've got a bevel.
Andrew	Super gentle though.
Everett	Super gentle. Uh, they've got great loom. Um, and I mean, The whole package just works, right? We drew it, we knew what we wanted, but that was one of the things I say, you know, people aren't going to like these hands. And we've already had some people say, I didn't know what to think about those hands. They work, but I didn't know what to think. We had to make decisions. If you're not making decisions, if you're not making hard decisions, then you're going to have a watch that is maybe boring. And that's what we didn't want, right? So the lug-to-lug is a little long, but I really wanted to have some real estate underneath and above the bezel. And so with the way this H case works in that flat lug opening, we needed to increase the lug-to-lug a little bit. We think we compensate for that with the curve of the case, but for some people, this is going to be tough to wear. Debbie, for instance, tried it on. It's a little too long for me on the lug-to-lug. Looked like a Speedmaster on me. But we knew what it needed to look like. And so the whole, everything we did was a decision for that image. So the hands, the acrylic crystal, um, that very Japanese marker set, uh, you know, these are little things that we, from the beginning knew we wanted to do and just had to decide and go with it. Even when we got negative feedback, right. Uh, you know, I don't, I don't know about those hands. I think you should consider something different. Nope. This is, this is, this is the handset we want.
Andrew	Have you had any commentary on the crown? Cause it's a big crown and it's like the, it is, I don't think it's big. It tends towards bigger than I would expect, but it's so good. You've got the prototype.
Christian	That's actually one of the things we changed.
Andrew	Check it out. Yeah. I think I like the prototype crown better. Whoops.
Everett	So on our prototypes, we, so it's a little bit pilot-y. The prototype crown is pretty long, and we ultimately changed that. I think we pulled a full millimeter and a half off of the crown.
Andrew	So it fits better on the production model. So I rescind my statement as to whether or not you've gotten feedback. You clearly did.
Everett	We did. We knew immediately once we got it. The crown's a little too big.
Will	So, yeah, I like the size of the crown. It's it's well proportioned for how it fits into the side of the case. It's perfect. It's good.
Everett	Yeah, but I mean, beyond that, right? There's nothing here. I mean, this is pretty unobjectionable. I think it's, it's just got a few little details, little quirks that are really calling back to a different time that I think people are going to object to is watch people. And so people will object. I will say we've got a nine, nine OS five here, no date, nine OS five. That's little things, right? We're we, we tried to do the little things, right?
Andrew	Um, cause if you can do that, everything else clearly is, I think so.
Everett	Yeah. if you can do those little things. So like, you'll see the second hand goes all the way out to the end of the second track. The minute hand goes all the way to the minute track and the hour hand goes all the way to the hour markers, you know, little things that a non watch designer like myself, um, just knows by way of being in the market, we got those little things, right. But we did make decisions that are going to be harder for some people to swallow.
Will	I have a question for Christian. Have you turned into a watch person?
Christian	This is a funny thing. Uh, so we got going and I got, I got, I got infected. I was reading stuff and looking at stuff and just dive it in. And then every night go golfing one day and I'm talking about how much I'm into this. He's like, you know what? I don't think you have the fever. And I got really offended. I'm like, what do you mean, man? That's like, yeah, I was like, that's what I think about, like, all the time. He's like, no, I don't think you do. And, uh, you know what? I think he was right. I don't think I have the fever. I think I, I think I got momentary fever for like a good six to eight months. And it's slowly not as intense as it was, but I got the flu. I know, but it doesn't mean I'm not like, fascinated by it and interested in. I also have had a tumultuous 18 months just in business life and personal life, and this has been like... I keep telling myself, we just gotta get to the finish line on this and then we're gonna go. It's gonna be great. So we're here.
Andrew	You didn't claim to watches as your cornerstone of existence?
Christian	I should have. It was like, this is my rock of salvation. I didn't. No, but I would say that the love affair has started. Um, and I'm, I'm, I'm very excited to be on this journey. I think the times I've like, I'm going to just go out and forge this by myself. And I think, you know, lately it's been like, I'm going to cling on to Everett as he's doing this. And so it'll just be kind of a ebb and flow and we'll just keep going deeper and deeper. I'm excited about it. Um, whatever. Okay.
Andrew	I'm going to weigh. I'm sorry. So let's hear about the watches that you have acquired. I want to, I'm interested in, in, in your watch taste. I have an idea just based off of what you've been a part of with Foster, but let's, let's hear about the, about anything else you got.
Christian	So I'm getting really hot now. Well, that's the thing. This is also the thing that this is where I feel like, uh, I'm out of my depth, right? Cause I don't, you guys can rattle off like the brands and like, like particular year model. We have an illness. I know. And so I'm like, Oh, my God, is that the bar? Is that the bar? Because I'm not going to be at the bar. I have purchased two watches in the last two years.
Andrew	I bought that's not true. You have about three hundred and three hundred and three hundred watches and a personal more than any of us.
Christian	And I did personally pay for way more for my foster watch than anybody else will. So the prototype, if I'm wearing around, So I have that, and I have a Laurier, and I have this Seiko that I bought off Amazon that I just thought was cool looking. I don't think it's even that great of a model of Seiko, but I just liked it.
Everett	Listen, this is a... So before Christian and I met, he had this watch, and it is a Seiko 5 Sports all black murdered out PVD dive watch. Yeah, it is. And I was like, all right, you're okay by me. You know what you're doing.
Will	I don't believe that he has the flu anymore. He's got the fever and he just doesn't know it. He's got a low-grade fever right now and it's about to go hardcore real quick.
Andrew	It's just burning.
Christian	Wait, is this what COVID is? Is this WatchCOVID?
Everett	If he would have come up to me and he's wearing like, you know, he comes up to me and he's in a fucking murdered out Seiko 5 sports. And I'm like, all right, you're all right.
Andrew	You had to find that. That wasn't like, uh, what do I want? I want that one. It's like, no, you had to look for that watch and you found that watch. You made a decision and that, you know, you have the fever and it's okay. It's okay. You're in, this is a safe place. I appreciate this guys. I appreciate it.
Will	I think Christian would really enjoy some Form X models.
Unknown	Oh yeah.
Will	Yeah. I've got a good feeling about that.
Andrew	You don't like it?
Everett	You're making him feel like... Has Everett showed you the watch he got? No. Christian's been traveling, so we have just seen each other for the first time in like a month. Yeah. About an hour and a half ago.
Andrew	Then never mind. So Everett acquired a watch last two... Two weeks ago. Two weeks ago. I was wondering what you thought about it. I'll show it to him when we go back. He very much likes the Santos that I just handed him.
Christian	Oh, yeah. No, no, no. That is actually the watch that when I ever can afford a really nice watch, that's... That's the one I want to get. Is that the slimmer one or the medium?
Andrew	Yeah, the medium. It's the little one. Are you happy with that choice? Is that the right size? That's the right size. Yeah. The large is way too big for dudes. Interestingly, on the Cartier website, the medium falls into their women's watches. But when I put on the large, I was like, what the fuck?
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	But when I watched Kenzie put on the large, I was like, that makes sense. I don't fully understand that.
Christian	There is something really cool about a woman in an oversized watch. That's a that's a pretty baller move.
Will	And by cool, man, did we not have that conversation in New York? Super sexy.
Andrew	Yeah, we had it.
Will	Yeah.
Andrew	So but also I saw I saw Frank put on the large and it was just like maybe three links too big. And it was just like 80s banker on his wrists. And I was also kind of aroused. So I'm not 100 percent sure what was happening there. Something was big. Yeah, something was happening. So, uh, moving on future of Foster. So, um, I understand and believe that you guys have plans beyond the 11 Atmos. Um, what can we look forward to? When can we perhaps look forward to some teasing of those things?
Christian	Yeah. Where are we going to do another 11 Atmos? Isn't that the plan?
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. So, so 11 Atmos is a line. So this is Foster's entry level line. And so we've got plans right now. for an 11 Atmos, in addition to the Skin Diver, for an 11 Atmos Field Watch, we've got the drawings. We are just about to pull the trigger on prototyping for that. So that's coming. We obviously have some trepidation about this launch. And so before we get too deep into that, we need to understand the realities of our market, our opportunity to sell watches. But almost certainly, the next watch will be a Skin Diver. unclear yet if we're going to, or excuse me, a field watch unclear yet if we're going to order more skin divers or if we're going to immediately roll into the field watch. And then beyond that, we do have plans for a quote unquote pro diver. Um, those are a little bit less flushed out. Um, but we have to be on plans, no turbine plans, but we have talked to our manufacturing partners about probably like a 10-millimeter, 200-meter, full-on, no-shit ceramic bezel dive watch. So that's, I mean, realistically, we're... That's years in the future, but this is, these are the points.
Andrew	We're way out on that. This is what Foster is looking to do. That's right.
Christian	Well, we are looking to do another round of this with, you know, whatever kind of points we might want to change for future rounds, but also with different colorways and different things we want to
Everett	Yeah. That's right. So, so more skin divers, a field watch, and we've, we've got some pretty fun colors that were floating for the field watch. So, um, I would expect the field watch to get a little bit more, uh, silly. We've got some purples, uh, that we've, that we're looking at. We've got some colors, but we've also got some traditional, not, not presently, but something, something to look at. Um, But yeah, so, so right now we're, we're hyper focused on, on the watch in front of us, but there, there are other things happening too.
Andrew	Awesome. Well, you got anything else for him?
Will	No, I'm just excited for you guys to launch this. Um, I think, um, I'm in the rare company to have seen all three dials, uh, production models too. I really like them. I really enjoyed photographing them. I think anybody, you know, especially in the Instagram watch community that gets ahold of them. They're going to take pictures of them. You guys are going to love it. Guys and gals are going to love it. But anybody else who's listening to this podcast and you have questions about this watch, if you don't want to hear the brand owner's opinion of it, I am more than happy to give you an objective opinion of it because I do not have a vested interest in this watch. So I'm more than happy to talk to anybody who wants to hear about it.
Andrew	Thanks, Will. And are you going to be publishing a review on these?
Will	So because of the obvious conflict of interest, we're going to do similar to, you know, what like Worn and Wound does with their collaborations that they do. It won't be a review. It'll just be a, you know, here's the watch. Here's what's cool about it. Here's what we like. Here's some, you know, pictures that that we've taken.
Andrew	So live with photos.
Will	Yeah, yeah, exactly. So there'll be some info up on the website about it.
Unknown	Cool, cool, cool.
Andrew	Foster boys. Anything else you want to add?
Everett	I don't think so. I'm so I'm so happy that you guys had us.
Christian	Yeah. No, it's been a lot of fun. This is also my first podcast ever.
Everett	Like ever in any content.
Christian	Any content. I'm fascinated by it. All of this is like, oh, this is what it's like. We're just on the podcast.
Andrew	Drinking beer in my office.
Christian	That's it. Yeah. No, I mean, it's like you end up wake in your head way more than you ought to be when you're doing this for the first time.
Will	Christian, I was right there with you. And then it was the first time I ever did a podcast with these two guys. And then we joined up. So Yahoo! There you go.
Andrew	And me and Everett have just a totally unwarranted and unbridled confidence in ourselves to do shit we have no business doing.
Christian	I'm always very jealous of people like that.
Andrew	It has its hazards.
Will	Will, you got another thing? I do. We got an interesting do me. So I've been, I will later. Um, I've been down this road of nostalgia, I guess. And I was like, what? I feel like I should play like the games that I used to play back in the, in the nineties and early two thousands, that kind of stuff. And so I went down the emulation rabbit hole and a lot of it, I, I went down when I had COVID and I was in bed for a couple of days. But I stumbled upon a little device. It is called the my you M I Y O O pocket mini. And it's a little, it looks like a game boy. It's got that form factor and the screen size, all kinds of thing, but it's able to play everything up from NES to PlayStation one. And you just load. Yeah, it's crazy. You load your games on there and you can play anything you want from any of those systems. zero hiccups on a little full color HD screen. And it is the coolest thing that I think I've ever bought. And I think it was when I bought it a couple of months ago, I think it was like 70 bucks was inexpensive.
Andrew	This is 60 right now from Amazon.
Will	Yeah, that might be right. Yeah, with shipping and stuff, because I got it from trying to get it from China or wherever they manufacture it. But it is super easy to set up. Super easy to use. The games look great on it. I just went on a work trip last month and I took it and I ended up playing NHL 94 for the entire four and a half hour plane trip. So, I mean, if you love playing old games and stuff and you don't want to deal with a whole bunch of garbage and you want to, you know, live that nostalgia, these things are really cool. And there's I discover there's a whole There's like a watch culture. There is a whole culture of emulation people that there's all different devices. So watch out. But this is an easy way to get into it.
Andrew	How do you get games and then how do you get the games on to that handheld?
Will	So legally, I must say that you should own the games that you're emulating. But there are many ways to get some Wi-Fi enabled. No, you have to do it all through your SD card. It comes a little micro SD card. If you Google how to get emulated games, it is very easy.
Andrew	Okay. I don't know. I'm not a smart man, so I don't, I don't know.
Will	It's, it's, it's Andrew proof is what they said on the website.
Andrew	Boom time. I'm intrigued. Everett Christian wants to go first.
Everett	I think Christian should go first cause he's got a good one. I'm actually excited about this one. Let's have it.
Christian	Wait, can we, is there a name for this segment of the show?
Everett	Yeah, it's the name of the segment is Other Things We Like.
Christian	Other Things We Like. OK, so I was in that conference in Miami this week and I flew home. I almost never do this. I either like sleep on planes or I read, but I didn't. I was too tired to read, but I was stuck between these two people that seemed rather unpleasant and I just was not able to fall asleep.
Andrew	Did they like know each other? No.
Christian	OK. But like the one room, like this is the thing, like she was rude for no reason to the like the flight attendant. That's a bad sign. Right. And she also like spilled some of her salad on me and stuff. And I'm like, what? She just was like, super annoying. Right. Like with that cheese smell. I'm like, someone threw up. I'm like, oh, no, it's her salad. So and it's a long flight. It's six hours. And like halfway through, I'm like, forget it. I'm going to watch a movie.
Will	Christian's other thing is sleeping pills.
Andrew	Ambien, if you're unfamiliar.
Christian	This segment brought to you by... And so I flip on the free movie thing and I'm like, oh, I've heard of that, this Everything Everywhere All At Once movie. I'll check that out. I was blown away. I was floored. It was amazing. I had no idea what I was getting into, which is always fun. To start a movie, you've not really... You've just heard the name, but you don't know. Yeah. And I think maybe what was so interesting and profound for watching this for me was that I've been on this weird personal development journey this last year that I didn't intend to take, but things just keep shifting and happening. And I ended up doing a guided psilocybin trip this last summer for the first... Never had done anything like that before. And it was totally impactful, amazing experience. And then stuff following up on the just kind of keeps happening and subconscious work and all this. I flew to Maryland a couple of weeks ago to spend two days with this guy who does this like deep subconscious trauma therapy work. And so I'm watching this thing and I'm like, holy shit, this is like being on a mushroom trip. Like I'm watching this lady take a mushroom trip. And dealing with all the same shit. I mean, I felt like the messaging in the film was like, this is the stuff I've been learning. How to just be like all the bullshit in your life that just weighs you down and just be like, no, I'm done. I came home from my trip to Maryland and I printed out that picture, like a still from The Matrix with Neo with the bullets. Just putting his hand, just saying no.
Unknown	Stopping the bullets.
Christian	Just no, no, right? And And then I've had this deep, profound sense over the last couple months about how important my wife and children are and how much I haven't been prioritizing them. And that got really reemphasized in this trip to Miami. And that was the whole thing. That's the whole point of the thing. It boils down to what matters most. All this stuff is really about what's right here with you. and that I choose you and that I love you. And I don't know. I was like, between these unpleasant people, the trade, you're laughing or bawling.
Andrew	It was like fucking airplane.
Christian	God, I had slept maybe like seven hours in the previous five days. So I was already delirious, but it was, it was awesome. It was awesome.
Everett	You know, I think this was my other thing about two months ago, right after I watched it. And in my experience was the same, less, less articulate than yours, but just like crying at points. And, you know, there's this scene in the third act where I think she's talking to her daughter and they're, they're fighting and she's told her daughter that she's getting fat and the daughter cries. It's this big point of the movie. And then as they come back together, she was, you know, yeah, actually you are getting fat, but I still love you.
Andrew	Right. That's an observation. It's a judgment.
Everett	It's such a, such like a human movie and it's unapologetically human and the, you know, Unapologetic about the flaws of the humanity. I loved it. I think it's such a good movie. I think one of my favorite movies of all time.
Christian	I would say so as well. And here's the other kind of fun thing is that I'm listening to it and there's several points where you don't always hear soundtracks in films. It's like background noise, but there's a couple of points I'm like, is this Sunlux? Which is one of my favorite bands. Do you guys know them? Sunlux? Nope. Super weird. Totally fits the vibe of the film. And they put this album out called Rising like 2008 or something like that. I was like, the first track, first time I heard it, I was like, what in the hell is this? I love this. And there's this song on there called Chase, and it's the whole chorus is, will you chase or let me go, which is what the whole movie's about. And I was like, and the refrain from that song shows up in the soundtrack. So it's like, I kind of like this whole... So I've loved that song for like 15 years. this movie was basically like this extended meditation on that song. So it was awesome. I was like, I was like, this is like, well, then the other line in the movie, too, is like every moment in your life, every disappointment, everything that he's like has led to this place where you are right now. That also hit me really hard. So yeah, it was good stuff.
Everett	I'm glad that we got to talk about it again on the show, because it's such a good movie.
Andrew	I can't imagine having all of those emotions on an airplane between that would be just. I'm glad it worked, man, because I just I can't imagine being more uncomfortable. I hate I hate Everett flew with me for the first time and I'm not a great flyer.
Christian	You know what? You know, I think made things worse about this unpleasant lady. I know I'm going on too long here, but no, she deserves it. Was the guy that she was so rude to because the Wi-Fi didn't work and she was so put out that the Wi-Fi didn't work. was this old flight attendant who looked just like Bryan Cranston. And I'm like, how are you being rude to Bryan Cranston? And he was so nice trying to defuse her.
Andrew	You're on an airplane. Wi-Fi is a miracle anyway.
Will	Never mind that you're on an airplane. Get over it. And like the flight attendant can fix it. Sure.
Christian	And then she left like wrappers all over the floor. I'm like, Oh, what, who, what is your deal?
Andrew	That's the lady who like eats peanuts in a restaurant that doesn't provide them and drops the peanut shells on the floor.
Christian	This isn't the roadhouse.
Andrew	What is now? I brought my own. Thank you.
Everett	Well, Everett, I've got another thing. Do me. So I, uh, so, so first this is not my other thing, but I just, I, I didn't have a chance to be part of the, the, how you doing at the beginning of the, I had all my shit stolen this week.
Unknown	You did.
Everett	I had my wallet, my cell phone, my keys, and all of my disc golf stuff stolen on a disc golf course.
Andrew	No, no, no, no, not on a disc golf course. There is disc golf played there. That is like transient fantasy land. That is property criminal hideaway. I cannot tell you how many times I have been a part of a multi-agency law enforcement response with canines, drones, dozens of police officers hunting for human people in that 25 acre tract.
Everett	Fair enough.
Christian	So I assume now based on that, we're talking about Westmoreland?
Andrew	Oh, no, no, no, that one's easy.
Everett	It's more than super clean BLM land Stewart pond. So I, uh, so I yeeted, uh, a disc over a little Creek as you do sometime. And you know, these discs, it's not like a golf ball. It's not like, Oh, okay, we'll move on. It's like, well, that's a $20 disc. I should go over and try to find it. So take a drop. I stashed my bag in the bush, which it was raining. And so there was no one else on the, I mean, nobody, there was Nobody out there. I shove my disc in my bag in the in the bush. I run across the creek. I run down to where my disc is, grab my disc, come back. I am gone. 90 seconds at the most. I come back. My bag isn't there. I'm like, did I put it somewhere else? So I walked down to the next place. It's totally gone. So here I am on a disc golf course. I'm wearing like a short sleeve rain jacket shorts. It's getting cold. It's starting to get dark. Rain really is picking up right at this time. And it's just me and a single disc in my hand that I've retrieved from the other side of the creek. And so I go up to- You did get the disc though. I did, I did. No drop needed. I'm like trying to flag down a car for like 20 minutes.
Andrew	And in that area, people are not stopping for a dude flagging somebody down.
Everett	So I finally get somebody to stop. I text my wife. I'm like, everything's fucked. I need you to text Andrew.
Andrew	Meanwhile, she called me as I was pulling through the secure gate into work. Yeah. So I went to work early that day.
Everett	He's no help. He's no help. Cause he's working anyway. That's, that's not my other thing. So this weekend I have bought a new phone, iPhone 14 plus very nice. Not my other thing. Uh, not plus 14 pro.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	Not my other thing, but I, downloaded in all of this. I downloaded a podcast and it was just like trying to get my, I don't have a driver's license. I don't have any credit cards. Christian's loaning me money. Uh, uh, I'm selling watches off the books. I downloaded a podcast. I downloaded a podcast and it is a podcast we've talked about on the show before you're wrong about. So this is a podcast. I think that's roughly out of Oregon. but they talk about things, stories that you think, you know, and they tell you the real story. So they did the challenger mission and they've done like satanic panics and, um, uh, moral outrage, yada, yada, yada. So they, they've done a lot of cool stuff. They did, I think not really a political or controversial episode as some of them are, but they did the story of the movie and book alive, which is these Chilean rugby players, who are on an airplane and they crash in the Andes. And they have a guest host for this, Blair Braverman, who is like a writer, a journalist, and she was also on that show Naked and Afraid. So someone I was kind of familiar with before I listened to this, but she has studied this and she tells this story. And this is one of the best hour-long podcasts I think I've ever listened to in my life. That story, I mean, first, The story is just so crazy. And I think we all know that story is like a cannibalism story, right? Sort of the depravity of humanity when things are hard. And they say this on the show, right? This is not the story of the depravity of humanity. This is the story of how amazing human beings can be when shit's hard. Gosh, I'll tell you, I listened to this thing. It's like the movie, right? I was, I cried at certain points listening to this. I like laughed out loud by myself.
Andrew	That's a good laugh.
Everett	Um, it is, I know the story roughly. Um, and they didn't, they didn't do a lot of like, you're wrong, but some of it is, is that classic you're wrong about ism. Um, but it's really just telling the story in a little bit different voice. Oh my gosh. One of the greatest podcast episodes I've ever listened to in my life. I totally recommend it. Please listen to it. Uh, the episode is called, the episode is called survival in the Andes with Blair Braverman.
Will	You just didn't laugh. You didn't laugh during the part where they started eating each other, right? He just watched Dahmer.
Andrew	He watched the entire Dahmer series on our flights to and from New York. So he has an interesting view right now. Yeah, that's right.
Will	It all makes sense.
Everett	Andrew, is it okay if I do this? Andrew, other things. What do you got?
Andrew	I got another thing. So I, uh, as, as you guys know, I spent a lot of time in the, in the outdoors and something that I have realized over the last couple of years, I have like limited to no knowledge or confidence in, uh, like plant and vegetation Identification. So I got this book recently called Mushrooming Without Fear. And it's a whole book on identification and like a like a eight rules of identifying and typing and determining edibility of mushrooms. And it's meant to be a field guide. It's not a field guide sized book, but it's meant to be like, hey, here's these eight rules. Write them on a piece of paper. follow these eight rules, bring your mushrooms back to this book and then determine if you should eat them or not. And it's a cool book. So for anybody who has like spends time in the outdoors and sees mushrooms and are like just inherently scared of mushrooms because you don't want to be like the guy from, Oh, what's the Alaska movie? Into the wild. That guy. Yeah. That, that fella who, I mean, it wasn't mushrooms that killed him, but you don't want to be that guy. Potato roots. Yeah. This is it's been an interesting book. I haven't yet tested it because the mushrooms still kind of scare me. But every time I've read through this book, it's a fairly short read. It's a couple of hundred pages, but it's also a field guide, a couple of hundred pages. So one hundred and fifty ish pages. So it's you don't have to read every page in depth. It's like big sweeping ideas with the kind of drill down as you get closer to the bottom of the page. It's it's intrigues by a fellow named Alexander Schwab, who that's his only book. but his rules seem to be really reasonable. The photography is nice. The rules are like very cut and dry. It's not like you, yeah, worth looking into if you're somebody who cares about perhaps picking mushrooms while you're already outside. So did you eat any? No, I have yet to use it cause I am still scared of mushrooms.
Will	I don't blame you. I'd be scared too.
Andrew	Yeah. If they didn't come from the grocery store or a restaurant, hard pass for me still. I feel like they always have them at the store too. Yeah. No, I've, I've never been to the grocery store and not found mushrooms, but you know, like I, I would like to, you know, try my hand at morel hunting and Oregon. Yeah. We've, we've got gray mushrooms. Yeah. And recently I was out and I saw what that turkey tail mushrooms I think is their colloquialism. And I was like, I believe that you can eat those. I've seen people eat them.
Christian	There's only one way to find out.
Andrew	He's like, but I'm not gonna walk right by them bitches.
Will	You could evolve into a Nicholas Cage from the movie pig and become a truffle hunter. Yeah. Yeah.
Unknown	That was in Oregon. Yeah.
Christian	Yeah. I haven't seen that yet, but that looks really good.
Andrew	It's really good.
Everett	It's like perfectly Nick Cage. It's the, it's the best role that he's played in 20 years. Yeah.
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