Episode 206 - Watches Roundup for October 6, 2022

Published on Wed, 05 Oct 2022 23:20:54 -0700

Synopsis

The podcast hosts, Andrew and Everett, discuss new watch releases from brands like Luminox, Bell & Ross, Seiko, Citizen, and Certina. They talk about the design, specs, and pricing of various models, sharing their thoughts and opinions. They also discuss Everett's recent home experience with his family getting COVID-19. Towards the end, Andrew shares his experience with a satellite communicator device called Zolio for outdoor adventures, and Everett raves about his new premium toothbrush from Oral-B.

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Andrew	Hello, fellow watch lovers, nerds, enthusiasts, or however you identify. You're listening to 40 and 20 The Watch Clicker podcast with your hosts, Andrew and my good friend Everett. Here, we talk about watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like. Everett, how are you? So good.
Everett	No, you're not. No, I mean, I'm fine. It's I'm fine. My whole family's had COVID. I had COVID a few months ago, and I've now at this point had every I think variant of booster that you can have.
Andrew	So were you one of those people that was like cheating to the front of the line to get the different brands of?
Everett	No, I haven't done anything untoward or, or sneaky. It's just, I've, you know, it's been, you know, at this point, two years of vaccine and booster life. So, uh, just in terms of what I've received, I just got the bivalent, I think is what they're calling it. Booster. I don't know what that means, but it means a thing. It means science. Science. Uh, so yeah, the, the family's had COVID that's been brutal. My wife having COVID has been the most impactful, you know, the kids get sick cause they're kids and they're sick. And, um, but they, they also come back really quick. So, but, so my son had it, he was sick for like 36, 48 hours, something like that. And then he was basically fine. Kim got sick and it took her out. She's been, At this point, today was the first day that she got out of bed and it was three days. So it's been fine. Um, I haven't been really working like I normally would be cause I've been at the house, you know, trying to be there for her and be there for the kids and make sure, you know, homework is in the backpacks. And, uh, you know, the, these things that Kim and I normally do together, I'm doing alone. So it's just been a lot. You're going to make it. I'm going to make it here. I have made it. I think Kim was out of bed today and she was moving around and it seems like she's on the mend. So we've had to cancel a trip to California to see the family. Probably we haven't formally canceled it, but the last, the last kid tested positive today.
Andrew	So it's, I love when they get sick in sequence. Why can't they just get sick at the same time? Everybody gets sick. Betty French kiss your brother. Just all at once. Just everyone gets something. Yeah. I hate that. Yeah. It's exhausting to have sick kids.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. Well, and the whole family was sick, you know, which, which is fine. I don't, I don't mind. Um, I don't mind sort of taking care of everybody. It kind of makes you feel productive and good. Uh, but it's, it's just, yeah, it's just a lot. I'm asleep in my kid's bed, which is, it's fine. It's a, it's comfortable enough, but I just, you know, it's not sleeping in my bed. Yeah. Yeah. So, but, I've kept, you know, the house is super clean.
Andrew	It's not on fire yet.
Everett	House is not on fire. I checked. We're good. Yeah. We're good. I checked. I do have good news. Do me. So in, I think late July, I made a big boo-boo and I put a selective herbicide on my lawn to try to take care of some I had a little bit of crabgrass and I had some, I think poa or something, like some sort of bent grass. And so I sprayed, I would say just a conservative gallon per square inch. Yeah. I mean, it was, I sprayed and I basically torched my lawn in July, which is really devastating. I mean, you know, in the grand scheme of things, it's not that big of a deal, but for me, I'd really been sort of, making my lawn very nice, and so spraying in July, just a bad idea. And everything I'd read before said, man, you probably don't wanna do this. And I was like, wow, I can do it. I'm different, I'm the exception. So I torched my lawn and basically spent all summer with a scrubby lawn, and then at that point I couldn't get it to come back. But I think I'm back. I've been, I overseeded twice in September and have been watering. And today for the first time, I felt like it's back. I'm back, baby. Lawn is thick, even, green everywhere. I'm back, baby. So that was good news.
Andrew	I was looking forward to winter coming, like having that last mow of the year and then like a dummy. I was like, I should overseed and feed. Now I have to mow my lawn again.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	Yeah. Back to the every week schedule.
Everett	Yeah. That's good. Your lawn looks great. It looks better than it has.
Andrew	So yeah, no, it's looking full. And, uh, I've seeded three times this year.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	I think that's, I think that's how you recover a lawn like that. Yeah. You were talking about pulling it all out and I was like, don't do that. Just seed it and fertilize it.
Andrew	No, I kind of want to pull it all out. Cause I, and just do like a natural, landscape design thing.
Everett	Wow. That's you were talking about pulling it and putting it in the grass. Uh, Andrew, we're talking about watches. Oh, we're going to get there. Yeah. We're talking about watches today. No one who wants to hear about our lawns or maybe they do. Yeah, they do.
Andrew	I don't know. Do you guys want to hear about it? That's why we have them so that we can discuss them.
Everett	We're talking about watches. I realized I didn't ask you how you are.
Unknown	I'm okay.
Everett	Cause it came on the heels of us, you know, doing our weekly unpack, you know, 25 minutes of unpacking so I I know how you are, but Andrew, how are you?
Andrew	I'm good. I'm hanging in there. Stayed busy this weekend. Got a lot done. Not as much as I would have liked, but you know, joys of home ownership. Yeah.
Everett	Yeah. You've got, uh, you've got a monster face on your garage.
Andrew	I do. My, my, I got one of those Halloween decoration monster garages. So I have teeth on the top and eyeballs and then teeth on the bottom so that when you open your garage, it's like the monster's mouth is closing and my kids love it. Yeah, I've glow in the dark cats, styrofoam headstones, big ass cotton spiderweb that goes from the eaves into the lawn. It's a Halloween decorated up house. Went to the pumpkin patch on Sunday. Yeah. It was not fun because it was still hot.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we're in October and it's supposed to be 85 tomorrow, I think. Which is not Oregon October. Yeah. It's Indian summer. I'm probably not supposed to say that, am I?
Andrew	No, it's Southeast Asian India.
Everett	Um, yeah. Yeah. Here we go. So let's talk about watches. Let's do it. So we are going to round some stuff up. This is, uh, we don't normally do roundups two weeks in a row. We don't normally do it, but we decided this week in light of the Meadows house, uh, being in disarray and just in light of all the cool things that happened to do a double, I hope you don't mind. The Scottish watches does two roundups or four roundups a week.
Andrew	That's all they do. They have 5000 episodes.
Everett	So hopefully you don't mind two in a row from us. Andrew, you sent me some good links. Are you are you okay with going first?
Andrew	I am ready, ready to go first. And the first thing I want to talk about is some new Luminox watches.
Everett	I always feel like you were going to make something up. I thought about it.
Andrew	So Luminox, I don't know exactly when these released, but they're relatively recent. Yeah. I think this is in the last week or two. Yeah. In the last, in the last couple of weeks, they've got two kind of, uh, the, not legacy. What am I looking for? There's a word that I'm looking for.
Unknown	Uh, man,
Everett	They're honoring two iconic... I wish we were twin brothers and then I would just say it for you.
Andrew	You could just finish my sentences. Two iconic airframes in the Constellation and the P-38. So they've got two cool releases that are honoring these iconic aircraft. First up, in the Constellation, which is a famous passenger jet that that Lockheed produced and was kind of the beginning of true accessible commercial air travel. The Constellation Automatic, it's a 9600 series. Tribute, that's the word I was looking for.
Everett	So it's a... That's a Howard Hughes plane, right? The Constellation.
Andrew	Yeah, he bought 40 of them. He was like, hey, I wanna buy some airplanes and then bought 40. As you do. Yeah, because why wouldn't you? Um. It is this really. Great. Perfectly boring. But nicely flourished. Big old kind of dive pilot watch. That's that's what it what it's reminiscent of for me.
Everett	And I'm I feel like that's that's like always Luminox, like this is a dive pilot thing.
Andrew	Yeah, but I think when we get to the P38, we'll get onto it. But so specs for you. Oh, where are they? I scrolled away. 42 millimeter case, which is kind of small, I think, for what I would expect out of Luminox for a aircraft tribute pilot's watch. Sure. I would think like 44 to 45 would be kind of their zone. So doing it in 42, I think is very cool. Sapphire crystal, obviously. A cool 3D case back with the constellation engraved.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	But it's reverse engraved. It's like embossed. Yeah. I think that's fair. Yeah. The only thing I'm not a huge fan of, but I think that they had to do it is the globe on the dial fitting within the, in the minute ring.
Everett	Yeah. That does sort of the, that sort of does the, that sort of 60s pilot watch thing or 60s air travel thing.
Andrew	So it's cool, right? This is the one that got me the most excited. So these are coming in at $1,200 on a bracelet and $1,100 on a strap.
Everett	It's $200-1. I mean, you're in there. You're in there. I like the bracelet version if I'm going to pay that kind of money.
Andrew	It's a good looking case, though. I mean, the whole it's a great package.
Everett	Yeah, it doesn't look right. It doesn't look to me like a Luminux.
Andrew	It doesn't. It absolutely doesn't.
Everett	It looks kind of like a. Kind of citizen, something better than Luminux.
Andrew	Yeah. But here's the one that got me excited. The P38 Lightning, the 9520 series. So this is paying tribute to the P38 fighter plane.
Everett	a GMT.
Andrew	Yes. So we have a GMT, which sort of excuses what I thought was going to be a 38 to 40 millimeter watch in a 42. But this is a dope field watch. This is like very Hamilton, very clean, like Serica is doing watches very similar to this. Like this, it has that same, yeah, the Serica feel. Yeah, I guess with that bezel. Just clean, plain bezel, mesh bracelet on it. And here's kind of what got me actually excited. $650 on the mesh, $600 on leather. Coming in black and white colorways. I'm kind of digging this. It's a little bigger than I would want, but it's cool.
Everett	I do wish it had a mechanical movement. So this is the Swiss quartz in the P38, which is fine. Quartz is obviously a totally reasonable timekeeping method. I like quartz in a GMT. But it does feel like this could be a little bit more special with a mechanical movement. I love the bezel on this thing. It's not like a turning bezel. It's just a I don't know, scalloping around. It's coinage. It's coinage, but it's actually in the top of the case or in the top of the bezel. I think it's an attractive watch. I think that the Luminox is using colors liberally, which is fine, but I do wish that one of these was a little less colorful.
Andrew	I mean, how do you get less colorful? It's black with a lot of red accents. It's got the Luminox red accent in the logo. It's got a red-tipped second hand.
Everett	And that's precisely what I'm saying. I wish that they had a version of either of these watches that didn't have that pop of color. It's a pilot's watch. It's made for legibility. Yeah. Red-tipped secondhands. Everybody knows that those belong on pilot's watches.
Andrew	They do. I hope this is a turning of a page for Luminox.
Everett	It does feel like it's outside of Luminox's standard fare. Although in fairness, Luminox has a huge catalog and they do lots of different stuff.
Andrew	But this is less tool watchy and more kind of, I mean, it's still tool watches, but it's not like a tech tool watch. They don't have gadgets.
Everett	Yeah, that's right.
Andrew	It's not a gadgety watch.
Everett	It feels more like a traditional wearable watch. Yeah.
Andrew	that you don't need to be like have a need for ABC or, you know, nine sub dials.
Everett	That's right. You don't need to also have pouches on your belt in order to wear this watch. But it helps. I've got a watch. I want you to do it. I've got a watch that I'd like to talk about. And it's a watch that we've talked about. I've talked about before. I don't know that you've ever talked about this watch, but this is a watch by The Bell and Ross company. I don't know if nobody calls them that. Just Bell and Ross. The Bell and Ross company. It's a BR05 and it is just a BR05. This is not anything special. They've done the thing that a luxury brand or perhaps a high-grade brand can do, which is to release a dial iteration as if it were something to get you excited. me being the sucker I am, I'm excited about it. So Bell and Ross released the BR05 GMT with a white dial and it's a crispy white dial GMT.
Andrew	A lot of red though.
Everett	Yeah. Well, I will, I'll tell you that is my, that is the one thing about this watch. I wish that there was a version without red. That's the one thing about this watch that I thought, you know, there, there obviously, evoking a certain image that is popular in the GMT space.
Unknown	What do you want the forehand to look like?
Everett	But I think this is great. I think it's great. I'm totally down with this watch. And in fact, in fact, I saw this and thought, you know, geez, man, am I saving my money for the right thing? So these are $5,500, I think, on a bracelet.
Andrew	$5,500 on a bracelet, yep.
Everett	They have an option without a bracelet. And I'm just, if you're going to buy this watch, You don't get a bracelet. We are not friends anymore. These are really cool. So 11.1 millimeters thick on the BR05 GMTs. I believe that the BR05, the three handers are 11 millimeters thick, which I think is too thick for this watch. I think that they should have this, the three hander down around 11, but for the GMT at 11.1, I think that's a fantastic Super wearable watch. Dang, man, I'm into this. So previously they only had a black dial GMT.
Andrew	What color way would you suggest for that fourth hand, if not red? Yeah, I don't know.
Everett	I mean, red is the classic, red is the classic, but you know, like with the Zen 556, there's the version with the white secondhand and the version with the red secondhand. And I think you pick your poison. For me, I just don't like the red, secondhand version. It's, it seems, uh, I don't know, gauche to me or something, right?
Andrew	Did you just like a black outline on this? Cause there needs to be some clear marker that you're looking like the arrow is maybe sufficient.
Everett	Yeah. I think with the GMT you do need, you do need color. I think red is fine. I mean, perhaps even obvious.
Andrew	Um, it might be cool to do a loom plot, like a white loom plot outline around the, around it instead of a color?
Everett	I don't, I mean, it does have loom on there.
Andrew	No, I mean, in lieu of the red, do loom in that space. Just loom on loom on loom?
Everett	Yeah. Yeah, no, I don't know. It's fine. It is what it is, but it's the one thing that I see this watch and I'm like, eh, I wish there was, I wish it wasn't red. But yeah, these are cool. I think, so this is on the Watch Time website. So I assume they're going to have these at watch time in New York. So hoping to take a look at one.
Andrew	Yeah. I'm Bell and Ross has been doing some growing on me as of late.
Everett	Yeah, me too.
Andrew	Which is a little, a little bit of a bummer cause they spandy. I like this. Um, are you ready for a real shocker?
Everett	Do you also have a Bell and Ross you want to talk about?
Andrew	We're going to talk about Bell and Ross twice in one night. And this one can be short. This is a... I'm sorry, everybody. That was loud. This is a Colab Bell & Ross 03-92. I'm not really that jacked about it being a Colab because I don't care. But the whole idea is that this is The Batman watch. That the caped crusader himself would wear, as they said on Odinki. But this is gorgeous.
Everett	So the 03 being the sort of iconic Bell and Ross square cased watch.
Andrew	Pure square.
Everett	Skeleton dial with a... Which I don't know if I've ever seen a Bell and Ross with a skeleton dial.
Andrew	They don't. They do the skeletonized kind of see-through interesting case back, but this is unique because it's a collaboration. And it, I don't know why, but I saw it. I was like, Oh, wow. I think I unfortunately like this. Uh, so it comes here. Here's a little bit of a problem. No bracelet. There is either a padded calfskin leather. or a black Velcro tactical strap. And I hate that they decided to call it a tactical strap. It's tactical. It's just nylon with Velcro on it. Yeah. And it's not even, I mean, maybe they, they use branded Velcro, but really it's just hook and loop fasteners. Yeah. They might be getting a cease and desist here in the near future.
Everett	Here's what's really exciting. So this is an actual collab released in conjunction with DC Comics and Uncrate, which I feel like Uncrate was all the rage in 2009. And then I haven't heard of them since.
Andrew	I still scroll it for like just weird luxury shit. Yeah. 9.65 millimeters thick. Oh, oh yeah. So they're there. Copper flange on the dial. Oh yeah. It's not, it's a, it's a copper dial. Um,
Everett	Except to that, but it's not a dial for the most part. The dial doesn't exist. Yeah.
Andrew	A hundred meters of water resistance. It's just, it does it for me. It's like one of the weird things that I've like come across, like very butterfly chaser. Oh, I like that. I want it. SW 300 4,800 bucks.
Everett	Yeah. But there's only a hundred of them.
Andrew	Yeah. Which means they'll probably be like, 65. Are they sold out? Uh, pre-orders immediately. So let's see. I'm going to go to Uncrate right now.
Everett	Available for pre-order reservation. Orders will ship. It looks like you can add it to the cart right now. I'm doing it.
Andrew	Yeah. Yeah. Check out. I could theoretically check out right now, but I'm not sure if my credit card's already linked to Uncrate.
Everett	I like this, man. Uh, this is, uh, it's interesting. It's fun. in a way that is, yeah, I mean, look, it's a Salida movement.
Andrew	It's kind of a go fuck yourself-y without being an Orange Doxa, you know, which is like a statement piece. This is almost not a statement piece, though it very much is because the DC Uncrate Bell and Ross collaboration, like it doesn't get more statement-y than that.
Everett	You know what I will say about this is that they've avoided the impulse to make it overtly, you know, with some of these Omega bond, you know, you get like the rifling on the, you know, dial or whatever, or, you know, 007 somewhere written somewhere. They've avoided that here. Except for a message on the case back that, you know, I think a logo, an Uncrate logo and a DC logo.
Andrew	It's a Wayne Enterprises logo. Yeah.
Everett	Yeah. Oh yeah. Look at that. Wayne Enterprises on crate. So they've avoided any sort of indication on the dial or the things you would see when you're wearing it, that you're wearing a Batman watch.
Andrew	The common pitfalls of collaborations and of kind of novelty watches. Yeah. Yeah.
Everett	Uh, it's good. Yeah. I dig it.
Andrew	Yeah. I dig it. I was surprised. I was like, Oh,
Everett	Well, Andrew, is it going to shock you that we're just going to segue to segue and I'm going to talk about a limited edition superhero collaboration watch? We should. I'm going to talk about, it's not a Bell and Ross, so we're going to move off of Bell and Ross, but we're going to, you know, that game where you have to like, like use a letter from the previous, where anyway. So, so Seiko this week, announced a Seiko 5, Seiko 5 Sports 55th Anniversary Ultra 7 Limited Edition SRPJ79. So this is a Seiko 5 Sports dive watch is what it is. The SKX case. But it's an Ultraman. It's an Ultraman homage. And this thing Unlike the Bell and Ross Batman watch, this thing is very on the nose. But I think it works in this case in a way that it wouldn't have worked with a Batman watch. Batman is so important, such a big part of culture, that any Batman references would be saccharine and take away from the watch. In this case, Seiko is really leaned in and made this thing very overt. So at the six o'clock there is a TDF-UG mark which stands for Terrestrial Defense Force Ultra Guard. If you don't know what Ultraman is, Ultraman is one of the most famous television shows internationally of all time or television shows franchises. Ultraman sort of you know, 55 years old at this point, and kicked off basically modern sort of kaiju entertainment. So in many ways, just as important as Godzilla, certainly the Ultraman style of production inspired amongst other things, Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, a whole genre. Ultraman is in some ways, part and parcel to Japanese entertainment and it's crossed over internationally, you know, quote following in the United States. So if you're not, if you're not into it, that's fine. But this watch is pretty dope. Um, red crystal on the back, um, which shows through and it's got like a silhouette or a negative silhouette of ultra seven. Um, It's got a custom signed Terrestrial Defense Force NATO or pass-through strap. Great, great black PVD bezel on this thing.
Andrew	Yeah, that's what got me really excited was that bezel.
Everett	And the PVD extends to the outer portions of the bezel, including the coin edge, which gives it sort of a classic skin diver look, a vintage skin diver look. Silver dial. It's a handsome watch. And it's got all these little nods. Um, I think this is a really cool watch and, and it is limited 3,400 units. Yeah. But they're making a, they're making quite a few of them. Uh, if you had to, if you, if you gave me the choice of a free fucking red Brian May watch or a ultra seven Ultraman watch, I'm going, I'm going Ultraman every time. I mean, Brad May, obviously guitar God, love that guy. But geez, Louise, this is way cooler if you ask me. It's nerdy. It's techie. It's Japanese. I fucking dig this watch.
Andrew	And they were able to do a lot of really inside baseball nods without being ridiculous. That's right. They could have made this ridiculous and it would have sold every single unit would have sold immediately. But this is not a, this isn't Snoopy on the dial.
Everett	That's yeah, that's right.
Andrew	And they did, they did a killer job with it. And maybe this is, hopefully this is the trend that we're seeing. You know, we see Seiko doing it, Bell and Ross doing it, understated, thoughtful pieces like that, instead of just throwing Snoopy on the dial, which is not to say it's not okay to have Snoopy on the dial, but get Snoopy off the fucking dial.
Everett	Right. For this one, the box is killer. There's nothing, like you said, there's nothing over. In fact, if you didn't know Ultraman, you would not know what this watch is. There's nothing top up on this watch that gives any indication that it's connected. Text on the pass-through and the TDF. But watches have all sorts of weird codes, man. Nobody's even going to see that, right?
Andrew	What does that mean? Swiss made on the bottom of your watch. No one sees that, but it's there.
Everett	That's right. So I really like this. I think it's, I mean, it's just a Seiko 5 sports. It's not, um, the watch itself, the timekeeping capabilities for our movement. There's nothing special about the watch. This is a purely, this is a skin as it were. It's a pretty fucking cool skin. I like this a hundred times better than a single one of those Street Fighter versions. Yes. I mean, those were fine. They were all pretty ugly. This A is not ugly. And B is cool in a way that those weren't.
Andrew	I hope they keep the pricing right.
Everett	And then I. Yeah, no, no pricing available. And with thirty four hundred watches, I mean, it'll be under five hundred bucks.
Andrew	They need to charge a thousand. So then there's no fucking gray market for it.
Everett	That people who want, we can get one. Yeah. Yeah. If they charge a thousand, they'll still sell out and then there'll be 2000 to flip.
Andrew	Maybe. I think there'll be less people flipping them if they like, that's some skin. Yeah. You know, like really, really get into that.
Everett	Either way. I suspect this is going to be a collector's item. So it, it may be a little tricky to get these cause there are a lot of people that are into Ultraman.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	Next up. A new release from Citizen. A titanium. Never heard of them. No, it's, I mean, so it's a, it's a relatively small company. Um, you know, they do some decent things now and again. They have recently released a titanium dive watch. And it. is unlike any other citizen I've seen. It's got a Mercedes hour hand. It's titanium. It feels every bit of the seventies. Here's the kicker. It's a weird size, 41 millimeter case, 200 of water resistance. And it's that's it. It's just boring as fuck. And because of that, I love this. I love the idea of a titanium dive watch.
Everett	Why do you think that's a weird, why do you think that's a weird size?
Andrew	41 millimeters? That's because everyone works in north of 40. It's always 40, 42, 44, 45. I think 41s are great.
Everett	I mean, look, there's no getting around the fact that this is subby. It's very subby. It's very subby, but, but look, it's got 20 millimeter lugs.
Andrew	Uh, it's got great case lines. It looks like it just sucks down onto your wrist. I I'm excited about this. So it's obviously using an eco drive. No, it's not. It's a 90 51, which is, uh, like a 90 15. Yeah.
Everett	Similar to a 90 15. But it's not a 90-15, it's a four hertz.
Andrew	Oh, I thought it was an eco-drive. I'm a little bit less excited about it now.
Everett	Oh, well, I'm more excited about it than I would be with an eco-drive. Who needs another Citizen eco-drive? This adds to the collection for automatic divers that Citizen has, I think, neglected for several decades at this point.
Andrew	Yeah, because they have eco-drive. That's right. We don't need it. So it's 12 too thick and which makes it, it's just going to be this compact. Yeah, it's a great size. Super lightweight, boring dive watch. I don't really like the font on the bezel.
Everett	Did we say this thing's a titanium? I mean, did we, did we mention that specifically? 70 like, oh my gosh, 70 grams. No, it doesn't come on a bracelet at this point, right? Nope.
Andrew	Just a rubber strap. But I think that's okay. Just, I mean, it's, it's a Tropic-esque rubber, rubber strap, rubber strap.
Everett	Yeah. It's, it's almost like a, it's almost like a, like a waffle.
Andrew	There is a full titanium bracelet available, but it brings you to a thousand. These are $7.95 on a, on, on Tropic. A thousand on the bracelet. I haven't seen any pictures of the bracelet. No, which makes me kind of concerned.
Everett	Yeah. I think this is dope. It works for me. Yeah.
Andrew	I very much like titanium.
Everett	Even at a thousand bucks, man. I'm like, yeah, that's fine.
Andrew	It's in that prospect diver category and it's introducing a new player into a field that has kind of gotten stale. Yeah. I really like that crown.
Everett	I mean, so just scrolling through this Houdinki article. Thanks Houdinki. They're comparing this to the SPB 143, a more expensive watch. But the SPB 143 is, I think like almost 14 thick or 13 seven, they say it right here.
Andrew	Yeah, I mean, look. And let me tell you something. Ain't going to weigh twice as much. The bracelet alone weighs more than the watch on a rubber strap.
Unknown	Yeah.
Everett	Yeah. I mean, I think this is a super cool watch. I really love Seiko's automatic dive heritage. And, you know, for a while you had the NY0040 and that was kind of it. And then they released the Fugu, so it was still it, or it felt like that anyway. And it seems like that they've really, they've really stepped it up and they've sort of re-entered that enthusiast market in a meaningful way. I feel like we've said this every couple of episodes at this point, but that's, I think that's the point, right? Citizens back.
Andrew	Yeah. With a 60 click bezel.
Everett	You know, I think I said on Watch You Seek or perhaps Reddit, this has been four or five years ago at this point. I said, well, you know, citizens making automatic movements for the world, but citizen itself seems to have by and large abandoned the automatic or mechanical watch trade. You know, they've got Miyota movements and then citizen eco drive watches. And it seems like they've neglected that. And somebody, you know, of course, because it's the internet, somebody jumped my shit and said, you don't know what you're talking about. I was like, okay, I don't. You're right. All right. Fair. Uh, but it was, it was a meaningful comment and I think it was a meaningful sentiment. And I think we're getting to a place where you, you almost can't say that anymore. Seiko's Seiko citizen is banging them out and I'm here, I'm here, I'm here for it. That's what I want to say.
Andrew	Citizen and Timex are making some moves.
Everett	Yeah. In different ways.
Andrew	Now it's time for Bulova because their catalog is deep. Yeah. And they just need to make some appropriate moves.
Everett	Come on, Bulova. Your move, Bulova.
Andrew	Yeah. Get with the times.
Everett	Well done. I really like that pick, Andrew. I like that. Watch. I've got a couple more things here. Are you out of things? I'm out of things. I'm going to have to catch up here. So I've got for sure two things that I want to talk about. So one of these is a Sertina. Okay. I want to talk about this Sertina watch.
Andrew	I think this is maybe the first time we've talked about Sertina.
Everett	Ever on the show? Perhaps. Is it the very first time we've said the word Sertina?
Andrew	I'm not Sertina about it, but I feel good about that.
Everett	Well done. Okay. Well, so Sertina has released a watch they're calling the DS Plus. And Essentially what this is, is a fully customizable, sort of like the Fortis Flipper, a few other watches I can think of. Essentially what they have is a movement inside a movement holder, or what they call the case head, that fits inside a watch case, gets attached by way of a crown or what appears to be a crown and allows you to, they say, infinite variations. That's actually mathematically not true. But they sell several kits of these. You can go with sort of a dive style. You can go with like a tonneau case. They make a rectangle case. I believe each kit comes with two straps and and two watch heads. They've got the Kit Aqua and Sport, which is like a dive watch and a sport watch. They've got Sport and Urban, which is an odd language, but it's Urban and Heritage. Heritage being sort of this square case. You know, these are affordable-ish. Let me see how much... 960 francs. Yeah.
Andrew	So I think... 1200 bucks?
Everett	Yeah. That sounds right to me. Yeah. But you're getting quite a bit of watch here, and it's just a really neat concept. Now, in order for this to be a really neat concept, Certina is gonna have to support this over time. These do come with the Powermatic 80 movement, and I think At some places, Certina refers to that as sort of their manufacturer caliber, but they're open about the fact this is a Powermatic 80 movement with a Nivicron balance spring. And these are just neat. I mean, Certina is a great brand. They appear to be high quality. I do think that the quality of this system, how long it will remain, workable based on that tightening system, if there's going to be problems with that.
Andrew	If you look at the side of that movement holder though, it seems to be a channel.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	So it, it doesn't seem like something that would fatigue or loosen. Sure. It just seems that crown just sits down into that channel.
Everett	A pretty simple mechanical connection. Yeah.
Andrew	The one thing that concerns me about this is that nowhere on their website does it discuss size.
Everett	Yeah, I think the answer is big, Andrew, because this is this is G Shock technology.
Andrew	Yeah. Right. It's got it's it's effectively replaced the removable resin bezel and replaced it with a full steel.
Everett	That's right. I mean, it's going to be big.
Andrew	This is going to be 42, 43 millimeters, if I think that's optimistic, because I think that I think it's probably the the movement and dial is probably a 42 millimeter or a 40 millimeter case. Yeah, perhaps.
Everett	Yeah, perhaps. Well, let's see if you go to the read more. Um, I think that there are dimensions here.
Unknown	I'm not seeing any.
Everett	Yeah, maybe not. Well, in any event, Certina DS plus one watch endless possibilities. I think it's actually like three, like nine or 12 possibilities, but, uh, in any event, It's pretty neat. Uh, something new. Uh, like I said, the, the technology reminds me of that Fortis flipper. Um, although it's a little bit different than that, but cool.
Andrew	Oh, you can create your own though.
Everett	I did see that. Yeah. Well, Andrew, you brought up G shock and I'd like to say, speaking of G shock, we are just segue Kings tonight. We're just doing it. We're doing it. Speaking of G-Shock, G-Shock just and Casio just announced a factory restoration program, essentially for a very limited time. So starting on October 1st, which is three days ago and running through November 30th. So for the next two months, give or take, Casio will allow you to send in A DW5000, a 5200C, a 5600C, a 5800, a WW5100C, and a 5300C. So your GWM5610 is not in the program. Essentially, these are older G-Shocks which have now started to deteriorate. So this is a limited time exterior refurbishment. They removed the inner case from the resin outer case. They replaced the battery, new case gasket, and then all new resin outer case, complete with new case screws and, you know, resin strap and everything. And then I think that there's a commemorative packaging.
Andrew	And a letter from Mr. Ebay.
Everett	And a letter from the Godfather himself. This is a fun program. You know, the one thing about these old resin watches is resin breaks down over time. Even if you haven't, you know, used this thing like you stole it, resin just deteriorates over time. New old stock, you know, MRGs like that JDM MRG I have from the 90s, the plastics on the back of these things will crumble at some point with just like gentle wear. And so how do you fix that? Obviously, this isn't for every watch, and this is only for a limited time, but it does seem like they're sort of beta testing a thing, right? This almost doesn't make sense to do as a limited time. It does seem like they might be beta testing.
Andrew	It almost doesn't make sense to do. Because, I mean, these watches are no longer affordable, right? They're old, they're out of production.
Everett	Yeah. And $100 for this. It's not nothing, but that's not a tremendous amount of money.
Andrew	I'm marveling at the photograph they used, the before and after photograph. The before photograph of this G-Shock, I'm pretty confident they put it through a wood chipper.
Everett	Yeah, no, I think they took one of these brand new cases and they just scuffed it up, I think is what they did.
Andrew	But those are like deep gouges. I'm not kind to my G-Shock. I have no, anything like that on any of my resin cased watches that I've done terrible things to.
Everett	Well, and this thing, it looks all wrong too. It's still matte, but it has these deep gouges in it. You know, this is not how these things wear. They get shiny and they do get scratches, but they get shiny and dirty. This isn't shiny. And scummy. Yeah. This is clearly like a new watch that's been mechanically damaged. But in any event, that's sort of... Maybe a garbage disposal. Maybe. Yeah. That's not really, that's not really the story here.
Andrew	No. But a hundred bucks to...
Everett	service your well-loved... Yeah, you've got an old-ass DW5000 or whatever, and you can pay $100 and get a totally new... Now, the question I have is, will they send your old plastic back?
Andrew	I expect not.
Everett	Yeah, I expect not too, which is, I think for some people, going to be a no.
Andrew	This could be a research opportunity for them, where they're gonna be looking at serial numbers against cell date and the longevity of their materials. It's possible. Maybe why they're doing such a limited time.
Everett	And with that, Andrew, we've done it.
Andrew	We've once again covered all the things that are important in the world.
Everett	All of the important watch things that happened we've discussed. And with that in mind, Andrew, are you prepared to talk about something that's not a watch thing? Yeah. Well, good. Andrew, other things. What do you got?
Andrew	So I spend a lot of time in the wilderness. Can confirm. By myself.
Everett	Also can confirm.
Andrew	Which presents some responsibility issues that I have, right? Like it doesn't affect me, right? If I, if I get hurt and I die, you know, whatever, but there are people who, you know, I'm responsible for, but it's also really limiting, right? I can't just, lay down a picture of a map or text a screenshot of a map of the state of Oregon and say, I'll be somewhere here because that would be unreasonable. Oftentimes I don't have cell phone service, so I can't say, Hey, this is where my truck is parked. So should I not return in several days? Start the search here. Yeah. So something I've been looking at is, is getting one of the satellite communicators. And a company called Delorme existed for a while who was then bought out by Garmin because they made really good satellite communicator products that were affordable. But then they got bought out by Garmin. They're not so affordable anymore. The most popular line is the inReach and there's a few products in that line. They have like the micro spot, which is like a satellite. It's just, it's a little brick. like the size of a lighter, like a Zippo lighter.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	With I'm okay. Here's my location and SOS, three buttons. It's minimalist. Just minimalist. They've got like one upgraded and it like, you could text through it and they've got one upgraded through that. And it's like a full GPS unit, satellite phone, but they're like four to 600 bucks. So I was doing some research.
Everett	Outside of like just impulse buy.
Andrew	Yeah, that's north of just an impulse buy. It's also, it's like, there's gotta be something else out there. Cause this, you also have to have a monthly subscription. Uh huh. It doesn't work without your subscription and you can go annual and basically you get like one month here free or you can go month to month or you can just buy a month at a time. And, but cause you have to get on a satellite network, right? That's expensive because it's not a commonly used individual thing.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	So I was doing some research and I found this company called Zolio. Z-O-L-E-O, who also makes satellite communicators. And I did, as I do, some research into it, and there was a lot of hype around this platform. Reason being is it uses Bluetooth and an app functionality to connect direct to your phone.
Everett	So it limits the amount of software that they need to be bringing to the equation. So in the UI and all of that.
Andrew	So they have, they have UI app development, right? Everything works through the app, but it is, I don't know, a little thicker and about the size of my phone. So it's a, it's a bigger package. It also has the I'm okay. And SOS button comes with a little snap link to hook to your stuff so that you can have it available and accessible 200 bucks. So half the price of the Garmin product, comparable membership fees. The one issue I take with it is that when you do purchase a membership, you have to buy three months. At the end of your three months, you can suspend or cancel, but you have to buy in three month blocks. It's like 50 bucks a month. But for the peace of mind that it offered me.
Everett	And so if you suspend at the end of three months.
Andrew	It just suspends. It just holds. Okay. But when you buy, you buy three months.
Everett	And you renew it three months. If you don't suspend. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, it, they only sell it in quarter blocks. Yeah.
Andrew	But I was so pleased with this. It immediately, like the, the user interface was intuitive. I pulled it out of the box. I pulled the little pull this when you buy it thing out of the battery pack to let the batteries hook up. And I had it up and running in seven minutes. It generates a new phone number for you. So each they have tiers of membership that allow different amounts of messaging, right? You get all the same functionalities, but different amounts of messaging. So I got the middle tier so that I could like text while I was out of cell phone service, but it all comes through your phone. If you use the app, it's all running through the app with people who have app connected. So if they also download the app, Just app to app messaging, like any other app to app messenger services. What's app or whatever. Take your pick. If you're messaging somebody who doesn't have the app, it generates a phone number for you. It's my phone number now through Zolio and it hits their text message inbox. SMS. Yep. Just, just SMS text messaging. Nice.
Everett	It was. But now you're a green bubble. Yep.
Andrew	Yeah. Now I'm a green bubble, which is okay. given that I'm out of cell phone service. The one problem I had with it, because it uses Bluetooth and app connectivity, I couldn't run it in airplane mode, which is a battery drain because I use airplane mode because I use my phone as a mapping platform.
Everett	So I needed to carry a charger, which I do. What is the battery on the device itself like?
Andrew	Uh, so it's got, hard batteries, I think that you can change, but, oh, so the, you can't, it's a rechargeable battery that varies based on the settings that you set on it. So you can have like a bread, you, you have like breadcrumbs. So you can, you can change your message retrieval, your location updates to certain time intervals to save battery. I think without a recharge at the power saving, it's like 40 hours of battery life.
Everett	Okay. So it's comparable to a, to a phone in the field. Yeah. So you basically doubled the amount of recharge you need to, you need to carry on your body.
Andrew	But I carry two external chargers.
Everett	Like 20,000 mAh or something?
Andrew	Yeah. Cause I use my phone to, that's my map, my GPS. And that's what I use for it. And I carry a battery powered Garmin, but that's what I get all my mapping through is my phone.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	It was money. So if you're a type of person who spends time in the wilderness and has any kind of reservations about like, well, I said I was going to be here, but I really want to be here instead. This is, this is, this should throw its hat in the game when you're looking at these kinds of satellite communicators. Yeah.
Everett	If you're backpacking or whatever.
Andrew	Backpacking or if you're fishing or hunting or hiking or any number of things where you're out of cell phone service for any period of time.
Unknown	Yeah.
Andrew	And you feel limited by like, well, I said it was going to be here. Now you can update.
Everett	Yeah. There's been a few times where I've been out in the wilderness and I've had to like plot a map and say, I think I'm going to be, you know, roughly here to here on this day. And then here to here on this day. Yeah. No, that's, that's, that's huge.
Andrew	I do it frequently.
Everett	I mean, and obviously if you're just in need of SOS type of stuff, they're, they're cheaper.
Andrew	Well, 9-1-1 works with or without cell phone service.
Everett	Yeah. And well, 9-1-1 works with or without cell phone service. And there are now very, very cheap sort of SOS transponders.
Andrew	Here's the nice part about the SOS functionality on this, and I don't know if it's the same on the inReach. When you trigger your SOS, it goes to their dispatch center, to Zolio's 24-hour staffed dispatch center. And they open a text line of communication with you to get the details from you. So if they don't get the details from you, they're like, Oh, well there, at least we know they're here. But if your SOS is like, Hey, I've fallen into this ravine. I'm pretty badly hurt. This is where I am. Here's the best way to reach me. Cause that expedites any kind of search and rescue response, right? Like you can't come from the way I came from because you'll fall. but that you get an immediate response and interaction with that peace of mind of, okay, my SOS has been received. So you, you actually, if I do hit my SOS button, you'll get a text.
Unknown	Nice.
Andrew	So you and Sam, they require two SOS contacts. And I'm one of them. You're one of them. That's smart. Yeah. And it's not like you're going to come get me, but you know, it'd be, it's good for you to know, like, Hey, you're going to have to get the kids tonight.
Everett	Good. Good. No, that sounds cool, man.
Andrew	Yeah. And 200 bucks. So, and then, you know, like I want to say, I paid for the mid-grade thing with also breadcrumb tracking so Sam could log into the app and see actively where I was without me pushing my location out, which was an extra six bucks. And so I was like, I want to say 50 bucks a month ish, maybe less, but not a, not a price that I was like prohibitive or in even, even hesitant to spend.
Everett	That sounds like a cool, it sounds like a cool toy.
Andrew	I mean, it is cheaper than the garment.
Everett	It is more than a toy. Uh, it's an incredibly, uh, practical, uh, it's an incredibly practical thing, but also for people like us that like to have cool toys, it's a pretty freaking dope toy.
Andrew	Yeah. It was really cool being able to text 12 miles from the nearest paved road.
Everett	In the interest of maintaining our Segway prowess today, Andrew, how often do you think you're going to use this thing? This? Yeah. I mean, just how often? How often? How much?
Andrew	I will have it with me every time I leave the house with a backpack, which is like every fishing trip, every hunting trip, every backpacking trip.
Everett	So let's say conservatively, 10 to 15 times a year.
Andrew	I'd say 30. Okay. And, and, you know, September I typically leave for two, two and a half weeks.
Everett	So what if I offered you another thing that you could use every single day, two to three times a day?
Andrew	I already use Charmin Ultra Strong, so you're not going to sell me on a different brand.
Everett	I'm just trying to build some hype for my incredibly boring other thing after your incredibly cool other thing. So I, about three months ago, purchased a new toothbrush.
Andrew	I've never... You brush your teeth three times a day.
Everett	Two or three, I would say, yeah.
Andrew	You brush your teeth at work?
Everett	Yeah.
Andrew	Oh.
Everett	Yeah, I do.
Andrew	Am I the asshole?
Everett	Perhaps. Yeah, I mean, I brush in the morning, I brush at night, and I usually brush sometime midday. Hmm. Yeah, I don't know, maybe I'm brushing too much.
Andrew	Maybe I'm the asshole here.
Everett	I bought a new toothbrush. And it's one of these, so I've never been one to go in for the, um, annual cleaning, the vibrating toothbrush. That's just not a thing that, that I'm into. I think that probably they're great and I know people love them. Um, I've tried them in the past and it's just like, eh, it's kind of like a lot and you got to charge it and you know, and then you've got batteries and anyway, I'm just not, not into it. I like a manual toothbrush. I like a manual toothbrush. All right.
Andrew	I'm a simple man. I like manual toothbrush. I'm a simple man. I don't like the contours either. I just want a flat toothbrush.
Everett	Just give me a fucking toothbrush. So I bought an oral B click and this is one of these new toothbrushes that there's a couple of brands that make these, but I went with the oral B. Um, and essentially what it is is a premium material handle that has just a small attachment, a small insert, if you will, on the top of it, which is the business end of the toothbrush. Right? And so, and so this is such a silly thing, right? Essentially, what it is, is you every three months replace the business end, but you still have the toothbrush itself. I thought, you know, I was at Target and I was getting a toothbrush and said, fuck it, I'll buy this. Uh, and I love it. I love it. It's it's premium materials. If it's a slightly heavier toothbrush. So it feels like more of a tool and implement versus just a plastic stick. Um, the toothbrush itself is whatever it's fine. Right. Uh, but the whole thing just winds up being an incredibly user-friendly experience and you use 60% less plastic. That's from their marketing materials. I don't know the truth of that. And there's also a program where you can recycle the heads. So when you get new heads, who's getting the old ones, you don't, you don't ask those questions, Andrew. I think they're actually breaking them down and, and making new watch heads from them, but I don't want that. This is, Surprisingly amazing. Uh, I found myself, I didn't buy this thinking I'm going to buy a toothbrush and be enamored by my toothbrush, but I really have been, uh, come with a little magnetic sticky.
Andrew	That's what the video makes it look like, like a magnetic spot to click onto your wall.
Everett	Oh, I don't know if that has that or not. I just keep the toothbrush in the shower by and large.
Andrew	So, well, this, the, the video shows a little magnetic spot that looks like it has an adhesive back that it sticks to. Because these all look to be metal bodied.
Everett	It is metal body. And if that is the case, yeah, it does look like that's the case. I don't have that functionality. You already threw away the box. Presently.
Andrew	You didn't think the box was too heavy? I don't know.
Everett	It's nice packaging. I just have the toothbrush. Anyway, this is such a silly thing, but I bought it and just instantly like taken aback by how great this was. It's just a manual toothbrush. It doesn't vibrate. It doesn't shoot lasers or do any sort of extra whitening stuff. It's just a toothbrush. But when you're ready to get a new toothbrush, instead of tossing the whole thing in the bin, you theoretically send your old heads back, get new heads, plug them in, and you're still using your same old premium material toothbrush. Kind of silly.
Andrew	I'm I'm down with it.
Everett	I think people will make fun of me. And if you do a you're welcome and be you're very reasonable. But I dig this thing, man. I'm I'm down with a. And 60 percent less plastic, even if that's an inflated number, it's still great.
Andrew	It I mean, objectively, just looking at the composition of the toothbrush, 60 percent of it is that metal handle.
Everett	Yeah. Yeah, that's right.
Andrew	So just just in that. There's less plastic.
Everett	It feels it feels more, you know, some people like like cheap disposable razors. And then some people like, you know, like their Mach three with the metal handle. And some people like me want like a safety razor that you just replace the little metal bits because then you've got like a premium tool that you're I don't think this is quite to that level. But it feels like we're headed kind of in that direction.
Andrew	I mean, the razor that I use was was was like produced for sale in the 60s. Yeah.
Everett	Same. Same. Yeah. I've got an old 60s Gillette safety razor that I think is fantastic.
Andrew	Yeah. Tons of shark blades have gone through that.
Everett	Yeah. I've been using, I was using feathers for Japanese feathers.
Andrew	I've got a lot of feathers that I didn't like.
Everett	I've been using the Gillette silver blues as of late.
Andrew	I have some of those. I have the greens.
Everett	I think the silver blues are really nice. It's a nice, Uh, it's a nice in between, between like a feather, like the super sharpness of a feather and you know, something a little bit more sort of stable.
Andrew	I need, I need a little bit more stability cause I have an open comb. Uh, so with the, the less stable feather, I got weird nicks cause they would flex around the comb. And it's so sharp that you're just tearing your face up. Just like tiger claws.
Everett	Gillette Silver Blues. I'd recommend them. And that's like a, that's like a bonus other thing.
Andrew	Yeah, you're welcome. Oh, you know that guy that I got our shaving brushes from? Yeah. He had a heart attack a couple of years ago. Yeah. And he stopped producing. He sold out his inventory because his cardiologist said he couldn't work around the electromagnetic field of a lathe anymore.
Everett	You did tell me this, the lacquer on mine is all peeling.
Andrew	Yeah, which makes sense. You could re-lacquer it. I mean, you're a grown up. Andrew. I think we've done it. We've done it as always.
Everett	Do you have anything else you want to add before we go? Because, you know, I'm ready for it tonight. I'm ready for it. Hey, you guys, thank you for joining us for this episode of 40 and 20, the WatchClicker podcast. Why don't you check us out on our website, WatchClicker.com. Also, you can check out our YouTube or you could check out YouTube at WatchClicker or you could check out our Instagram at WatchClicker at 40 and 20. That's where we have all the updates for the for the website and the podcast. That's how you can kind of connect with us if you don't connect here every week. If you'd like to support us, and oh boy, we hope you do, you can do that at patreon.com slash 40 and 20 look guides. That's how we keep this thing going. Weekly hosting, hardware, software, it all costs a little bit of money. And so every little bit, your dollar, your $2, your $5 goes a long way to keeping this thing rolling. And other than that, don't forget to check us out next Thursday for another hour of watches, food, drinks, life, and other things we like.
Unknown	Bye bye.